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| 01:07.01 | mrapple | can anyone inform me how to change the team that a user joined as via plugin |
| 01:07.22 | mrapple | i tried bz_getAutoTeamEvent with no luck |
| 01:07.42 | temporalD | isn't that what Murielle gave you this week? |
| 01:08.03 | mrapple | no |
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| 09:36.05 | Murielle | I tired bz_getAutoTeamEvent and it works nice |
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| 11:28.16 | pixel_kaktus | hi all |
| 11:28.27 | pixel_kaktus | Can I delate my account? |
| 11:28.40 | delusional | sure can |
| 11:28.52 | pixel_kaktus | how? |
| 11:28.59 | delusional | account where? |
| 11:29.04 | pixel_kaktus | forum |
| 11:29.30 | delusional | just change the name |
| 11:30.40 | a_meteorite | forget the password :P |
| 11:31.14 | pixel_kaktus | no |
| 11:31.35 | pixel_kaktus | I have got very old account and now I'm using another nickname |
| 11:31.50 | pixel_kaktus | and I want have this nickname also in bzflag |
| 11:32.05 | delusional | change the name of the old account to the new name |
| 11:32.10 | pixel_kaktus | oh |
| 11:32.13 | pixel_kaktus | there is |
| 11:32.20 | pixel_kaktus | It's in user settings |
| 11:32.24 | pixel_kaktus | nickname |
| 11:32.36 | delusional | all your old posts will now use the new name |
| 11:32.54 | pixel_kaktus | I haven't written any posts :) |
| 11:32.58 | delusional | ok |
| 11:33.04 | pixel_kaktus | thaks :) |
| 11:33.08 | pixel_kaktus | thanks* |
| 11:33.09 | delusional | np |
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| 15:44.35 | kierra | BulletCatcher: bzbb pm awaiting you :) |
| 15:45.06 | BulletCatcher | Give me a chance for the coffee to kick in, please. :-) |
| 15:45.52 | kierra | no worries at all, take your time |
| 15:48.51 | JefferyM | coffee is evil |
| 15:48.55 | JefferyM | root of all sin |
| 15:50.55 | kierra | great, money is fair game then!!! |
| 15:51.02 | BulletCatcher | takes another sip of sin |
| 16:27.54 | JefferyM | decline of western society man... |
| 16:42.57 | Runic | Thou shalt not drink coffee, doesn't ring a bell, that one must have been on the other set of commandments that was broken |
| 16:43.53 | kierra | Its in the gospel according to JefferyM |
| 16:44.11 | JefferyM | tea is good for the soul |
| 16:44.38 | Runic | that depends on what you make the tea with |
| 16:59.29 | BulletCatcher | kierra: response sent |
| 17:00.18 | kierra | i read it |
| 17:02.09 | kierra | ty |
| 17:12.29 | BulletCatcher | BZBB spam reported and waiting for admin action |
| 17:13.22 | JefferyM | why arn't you an admin yet? |
| 17:13.36 | ruskie | lol |
| 17:14.11 | JefferyM | he should be, he has a very clear understanding of "rules" and how they apply to people, even if he dosn't agree with them :) |
| 17:14.46 | kierra | the makings of an excellent admin :) |
| 17:23.21 | Gabe_G23 | must concr |
| 17:23.28 | Gabe_G23 | concur* |
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| 19:35.16 | mrapple | ~bzflist |
| 19:35.29 | mrapple | lies |
| 19:36.28 | mrapple | all the bzf servers just went down -_- |
| 19:36.35 | JefferyM | if you mean that it dosn't represent the actual number of meatsacks player, probably |
| 19:36.38 | JefferyM | doubtful. |
| 19:36.55 | JefferyM | you sure you just didn't timeout to the list? |
| 19:37.06 | mrapple | all of the bzf.bzflag.net servers are down -_ |
| 19:37.27 | JefferyM | it can take up to 15 min for the list server to know they went NR |
| 19:37.43 | mrapple | yes, they are still on there, but non connectable |
| 19:37.59 | JefferyM | then they will fail there next hearbeat |
| 19:38.07 | JefferyM | the timeout on the list server side is VERY long |
| 19:38.26 | mrapple | who runs the bzf.* servers |
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| 19:38.46 | JefferyM | whois them and find out ;) |
| 19:39.09 | JefferyM | I think tim puts the info in the dns info for the subdomain |
| 19:39.18 | JefferyM | but in the end he is the one that has the list |
| 19:39.35 | JefferyM | tho... I may have a google doc |
| 19:40.43 | JefferyM | I see who requested the domain |
| 19:40.54 | JefferyM | they neber responded to the name convert, that may be why |
| 19:41.35 | mrapple | whois isnt being helpful |
| 19:41.55 | JefferyM | what do you want do? |
| 19:42.21 | JefferyM | just tell them there servers are down? |
| 19:42.22 | mrapple | i was just curiuos who owned it |
| 19:42.25 | mrapple | yeah i guess |
| 19:42.34 | JefferyM | you guess |
| 19:42.40 | JefferyM | how do you know they are not aware of it |
| 19:43.12 | mrapple | im assuming they arent because they just went down |
| 19:43.20 | blast007 | oh well |
| 19:43.28 | blast007 | they'll be off the list soon enough |
| 19:43.29 | JefferyM | going down isn't always a bad thing |
| 19:43.33 | JefferyM | yeah |
| 19:43.38 | JefferyM | perhaps it's under repair |
| 19:43.50 | JefferyM | but I can't give out a user's contact info to you |
| 19:43.55 | mrapple | thatd be nice |
| 19:43.59 | blast007 | maybe they were testing their backup power |
| 19:44.00 | JefferyM | CAN'T |
| 19:44.03 | JefferyM | not can |
| 19:44.14 | mrapple | oh cant. i think i need more sleep |
| 19:44.30 | JefferyM | tho blast007 could look up the bzbb username for the person and they could be PMed |
| 19:44.38 | blast007 | "who pushed the big red button??" |
| 19:44.40 | JefferyM | if he wanted to go the extra mile |
| 19:44.53 | blast007 | I'm not that bored |
| 19:44.57 | blast007 | :) |
| 19:44.57 | JefferyM | I figured |
| 19:45.11 | JefferyM | I mean it's the internet, stuff comes and goes |
| 19:45.35 | JefferyM | the owner didn't even respond when we told them that we were going to change DNS names |
| 19:45.40 | JefferyM | and took the old one offline |
| 19:46.11 | blast007 | well, they at least reacted to the notice if they were using .net now |
| 19:46.28 | JefferyM | true |
| 19:46.35 | JefferyM | probably after it all went offline |
| 19:46.39 | blast007 | ;) |
| 19:46.41 | JefferyM | mrapple, are you an admin there? |
| 19:47.36 | JefferyM | yay, down to 263 errors :) |
| 19:54.14 | mrapple | JefferyM: nope |
| 19:54.34 | JefferyM | do you know an admin there? |
| 19:55.28 | Constitution | bzf.bzflag.net? |
| 19:55.35 | JefferyM | javol |
| 19:56.03 | Constitution | is that Portuguese? |
| 19:56.32 | JefferyM | I don't know the bzbb name, just the player's real name and email |
| 19:56.35 | JefferyM | sorry owners |
| 19:56.39 | Constitution | mana |
| 19:57.03 | JefferyM | there ya go |
| 19:57.05 | Constitution | thought that was common knowledge |
| 19:57.12 | JefferyM | oh it probably is |
| 19:57.20 | JefferyM | I am just rather uncommon ;) |
| 20:10.24 | JefferyM | but that does explain the lack of timely responce |
| 20:16.39 | Constitution | curious... even after reading the backlog, I still don't know what we're talking about :) |
| 20:16.50 | Constitution | the server is down? |
| 20:16.57 | JefferyM | suposedly |
| 20:17.13 | Constitution | and why is this one so special? |
| 20:17.20 | JefferyM | exactly |
| 20:18.54 | JefferyM | I belive mrapple was ether trying to insenuate that the list server sucked or was trying to force himself into a situation where he didn't realy belong ;) |
| 20:19.43 | Constitution | hm. well everyone look alive... this has profound impact on game development status |
| 20:20.22 | JefferyM | heh |
| 20:20.30 | JefferyM | sadly your joke is somewhat true |
| 20:20.52 | Runic | the sky is falling |
| 20:21.24 | Constitution | admittedly the list server probably does suck |
| 20:21.27 | JefferyM | it felt a long while ago |
| 20:21.32 | JefferyM | fell even |
| 20:21.41 | JefferyM | it is less then awesome that is true |
| 20:21.58 | JefferyM | I'm suprised it even works |
| 20:23.29 | Constitution | sadder, perhaps, that we have a nice new one that's been sitting unused in svn for two years :) |
| 20:23.36 | Constitution | or part of one anyway |
| 20:23.45 | JefferyM | indeed |
| 20:24.00 | JefferyM | tho it's useless with out user and group management |
| 20:24.04 | JefferyM | so it's mostly just parts |
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| 20:43.31 | mrapple | JefferyM: i was simply curious who owned the server so I could alert them it was down |
| 20:43.58 | JefferyM | that's what I said |
| 20:44.39 | mrapple | "I belive mrapple was ether trying to insenuate that the list server sucked or was trying to force himself into a situation where he didn't realy belong ;)" a situation where i didnt belong? is there something wrong with telling them that something went wrong? |
| 20:44.55 | JefferyM | he probably forgot to pay a bill |
| 20:44.58 | JefferyM | or is that manu |
| 20:45.16 | Constitution | meno :P |
| 20:45.25 | JefferyM | too many m's |
| 20:45.45 | JefferyM | you can set your callender by the date that the GU website will go down |
| 20:59.30 | JefferyM | has anyone tried trunk on VC EE? |
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| 21:28.31 | blast007 | JefferyM: not recently |
| 21:28.38 | blast007 | I've been using the full 2008 |
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| 21:47.06 | Joshua__ | yo |
| 21:48.08 | Joshua__ | i was just banned from the server PARTY every1 is admin crueldogs first map by a user named dylanroberts19. the reason he gave was "die" |
| 21:48.24 | Joshua__ | he also banned everyone else on the server |
| 21:48.44 | Joshua__ | because everyone is admin on the server, he could easily ban me |
| 21:49.34 | Joshua__ | anyone have any suggestions? |
| 21:51.04 | trepan | expect the worst on poorly configured servers |
| 21:51.12 | Joshua__ | yeah |
| 21:52.10 | Joshua__ | is there a way i can report him and get my user ability back? |
| 21:52.16 | Joshua__ | not to mention trust |
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| 21:54.00 | blast007 | trust? it's a server where everyone is admin. trust was not violated nor given. ;) |
| 21:54.11 | Joshua__ | lol |
| 21:54.32 | Joshua__ | well, is there any log of how many times your banned? |
| 21:54.36 | blast007 | no |
| 21:54.40 | Joshua__ | oh |
| 21:54.48 | Joshua__ | well, then im ok for the most part |
| 21:54.49 | blast007 | nothing public by default, anyway |
| 21:55.02 | Joshua__ | and hopefully nothing on that server |
| 21:55.09 | blast007 | servers can have logs recorded, but they generally just get recorded to the disk on that server |
| 21:55.20 | Joshua__ | yeah |
| 21:55.37 | blast007 | there's no public shame list, since that would just be abused :) |
| 21:55.41 | JefferyM | blast007, it works. Just showed the guy in tech support how to debug it |
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| 21:55.46 | blast007 | JefferyM: cool |
| 21:55.58 | JefferyM | he was trying to build his own project for it since he didn't know what a sln file was |
| 21:56.05 | blast007 | ah |
| 21:56.20 | catay | for what it's worth, bzf.bzlfag.net wasn't really down, only not reachable |
| 21:56.29 | catay | as many other server hosted at netdirekt |
| 21:56.36 | catay | but seems ok again now |
| 21:56.42 | Joshua__ | blast007: is there a way i can get my user ability on that server back? |
| 21:56.53 | blast007 | Joshua__: you'd have to ask the owner |
| 21:56.58 | blast007 | you can send them a PM on the forum |
| 21:57.08 | blast007 | Cruel Dog runs it, right? |
| 21:57.09 | Joshua__ | thanks |
| 21:57.12 | Joshua__ | yeah |
| 21:57.13 | JefferyM | Joshua__, servers are run independent of the project, owners can do whatever they want. they own thhe machine |
| 21:57.14 | Joshua__ | i assume |
| 21:57.21 | blast007 | yeah, just PM him |
| 21:57.28 | Joshua__ | k |
| 21:57.30 | blast007 | you can search for him on the member list |
| 21:57.35 | Joshua__ | that works |
| 21:58.15 | JefferyM | doubt you'll get any kind of valid responce tho |
| 21:58.25 | JefferyM | any server that gives everyone admin should be avoided |
| 21:58.29 | blast007 | yeah ;) |
| 21:58.34 | Joshua__ | lol |
| 21:58.35 | Joshua__ | k |
| 21:58.37 | JefferyM | specialy if you are looking for quality or stability |
| 21:58.57 | Joshua__ | man, it wont let me change my name |
| 21:59.01 | Joshua__ | oh well |
| 21:59.05 | Joshua__ | gtg |
| 21:59.07 | blast007 | bye |
| 21:59.08 | JefferyM | what are you trying to change it to? |
| 21:59.11 | Joshua__ | thanks everyone for helping me |
| 21:59.12 | Joshua__ | oh |
| 21:59.14 | Joshua__ | blasterx |
| 21:59.22 | Joshua__ | my bzflag name |
| 21:59.24 | JefferyM | someone else probably has the name |
| 21:59.30 | Constitution | Joshua__: I unbanned you, I think |
| 21:59.35 | Joshua__ | thats not the problem |
| 21:59.36 | Joshua__ | ?? |
| 21:59.39 | Joshua__ | kewl |
| 21:59.45 | Joshua__ | ill check it out |
| 22:00.04 | Joshua__ | JeffreyM: it's my chat client |
| 22:00.17 | JefferyM | what are you using? |
| 22:00.24 | Joshua__ | colloquy |
| 22:00.28 | JefferyM | I'm sorry |
| 22:00.37 | Joshua__ | it doesnt matter |
| 22:00.41 | Joshua__ | let me check out the map |
| 22:00.43 | Joshua__ | brb |
| 22:01.22 | JefferyM | so CBC is set up to build trunk and I told him to come here for help on what he can do to learn the code better |
| 22:01.44 | JefferyM | bassicly his boss and my boss told him to learn what he could about "real" codebases in his spare time |
| 22:02.12 | JefferyM | and we can't have it work on our product so it was sugested that he help out on bzflag since he can get some help from DTRemenak and myself |
| 22:02.18 | Joshua__ | yup |
| 22:02.21 | Joshua__ | im unbanned |
| 22:02.21 | JefferyM | but we are REALY friggin bussy |
| 22:03.08 | Joshua__ | if dylanroberts19 bans me again, ill report him |
| 22:03.15 | JefferyM | he knows some C++ and is in college for a CS degree so he should be able to get on just fine, it's just he dosn't have a lot of experience |
| 22:03.20 | JefferyM | Joshua__, to who? |
| 22:03.25 | Joshua__ | thanks constitution!!!! |
| 22:03.39 | Joshua__ | gtg |
| 22:03.41 | Joshua__ | bye!! |
| 22:04.03 | JefferyM | reports Constitution to his mom |
| 22:04.10 | Constitution | oops... I think I just initiated the instant gratification irc syndrome |
| 22:04.27 | JefferyM | you of all people should know that people need to learn ;) |
| 22:04.37 | JefferyM | so you sure you don't want a job as a developer? |
| 22:05.29 | Constitution | you get addicted to the power after a while :P |
| 22:05.33 | JefferyM | heh |
| 22:06.27 | Constitution | not so sure, really, but throwing away my 19 weeks of training in misery is not to be undertaken lightly |
| 22:06.35 | JefferyM | true |
| 22:06.54 | JefferyM | well our manager asked the prez if we could hire another developer and he didn't say no |
| 22:07.00 | JefferyM | so they are seriously lookin |
| 22:07.34 | Constitution | hmmm |
| 22:07.44 | JefferyM | and they keep askin DTRemenak and myself if we know anyone |
| 22:08.02 | JefferyM | so if anyone is interested, we is lookin |
| 22:08.34 | JefferyM | would love to hire blast007 as "the web guy" |
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| 22:39.31 | blasterx | timriker |
| 22:39.37 | blasterx | blast007 |
| 22:39.45 | blasterx | jefferym |
| 22:39.50 | blasterx | i got a problem |
| 22:40.20 | JefferyM | with? |
| 22:40.24 | blasterx | i met the guy(dylanroberts19) |
| 22:40.29 | blasterx | who banned me |
| 22:40.30 | JefferyM | ok |
| 22:40.37 | blasterx | except on a different server |
| 22:40.37 | JefferyM | and.... |
| 22:40.47 | blasterx | he tried to ban me from that server |
| 22:40.52 | JefferyM | and.... |
| 22:40.54 | blasterx | well, heres the story |
| 22:41.01 | JefferyM | we don't controll how the game is played |
| 22:41.02 | blasterx | it may take me awhile to write out |
| 22:41.04 | JefferyM | just the software |
| 22:41.09 | blasterx | yeah |
| 22:41.11 | blasterx | ... |
| 22:41.21 | JefferyM | if you have a problem with a player on a server then you talk to that server's owner |
| 22:41.34 | JefferyM | or play elsewhere |
| 22:41.38 | blasterx | he has admin power that hes not supposed to have |
| 22:41.40 | JefferyM | or just block them |
| 22:41.45 | JefferyM | then talk to the owner |
| 22:41.53 | blasterx | the problem is this: he tels me not to shoot, and not to cap |
| 22:41.57 | JefferyM | we don't have anything to do with how servers are run |
| 22:42.00 | blasterx | when i do, he bans me |
| 22:42.03 | JefferyM | ok |
| 22:42.11 | JefferyM | then talk to the owner, or play elsewhere |
| 22:42.16 | blasterx | ohhhh |
| 22:42.29 | blasterx | so the way servers are run, you cant say ban one person from bzflag |
| 22:42.35 | blasterx | as in total |
| 22:42.39 | JefferyM | no |
| 22:42.45 | blasterx | ok... |
| 22:42.49 | blasterx | ... |
| 22:42.52 | blasterx | um |
| 22:42.59 | JefferyM | each server is inependent |
| 22:43.13 | blasterx | then how does he get this power on every server? |
| 22:43.32 | JefferyM | he dosnt have it on every server |
| 22:43.37 | JefferyM | just the ones you went to |
| 22:43.45 | blasterx | ok |
| 22:43.49 | JefferyM | those are probably poorly admined or poorly configured servers |
| 22:43.59 | blasterx | this wasnt one |
| 22:44.12 | blasterx | oh well |
| 22:44.27 | JefferyM | if it has weak perms or passwords it is |
| 22:44.36 | JefferyM | who owned the second server? |
| 22:44.42 | blasterx | i dont know |
| 22:44.48 | blasterx | it wasnt one thats very popular |
| 22:44.54 | blasterx | as in used very much |
| 22:45.01 | blasterx | someone must've just found it |
| 22:45.01 | JefferyM | what server was it? |
| 22:45.25 | blasterx | id have to go back to bzflag to get the name |
| 22:45.30 | blasterx | exact name |
| 22:45.38 | JefferyM | well dosn't matter |
| 22:45.44 | JefferyM | but no, there is no global admin system |
| 22:45.53 | JefferyM | or a way for someone to become admin on any server |
| 22:45.56 | blasterx | if you searched for earth |
| 22:46.01 | blasterx | ok |
| 22:46.03 | blasterx | so |
| 22:46.10 | blasterx | ok |
| 22:46.10 | JefferyM | and we don't manage players or servers |
| 22:46.19 | blasterx | ok |
| 22:46.21 | JefferyM | if we did we'd not let just anyone host one ;) |
| 22:46.22 | blasterx | thats it |
| 22:46.28 | blasterx | :) |
| 22:46.30 | blasterx | yeah |
| 22:46.33 | blasterx | i see what you mean |
| 22:47.38 | blasterx | I probably wont be the only one reporting if he goes on to missle war 2.3 by ducatiwannabe and bans everyone ;) |
| 22:47.55 | JefferyM | heh, he can't do that |
| 22:47.56 | blasterx | thanks alot for your help |
| 22:48.03 | JefferyM | blast owns that server |
| 22:48.08 | blasterx | yeah |
| 22:48.33 | mrapple | im pretty sure hes banned from my server |
| 22:48.46 | blasterx | which ones? |
| 22:48.48 | blasterx | all? |
| 22:48.55 | mrapple | bzextreme |
| 22:48.59 | blasterx | oh |
| 22:49.02 | blasterx | good |
| 22:49.14 | blasterx | bzextreme is a good serv |
| 22:49.18 | mrapple | thanks :P |
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| 22:49.35 | blasterx | i havent had anything bad happen on those servers |
| 22:49.41 | mrapple | next time he misbehaves like this ill ban him on bzaddict and bzbg |
| 22:49.54 | mrapple | and talk to blast about extending the 5 hour ban ill give him on bzexcess ;) |
| 22:50.07 | blasterx | :; |
| 22:50.13 | blasterx | ;) |
| 22:50.16 | blasterx | yeah |
| 22:50.21 | mrapple | and give him a week or so ban from norang ;) |
| 22:50.35 | blasterx | thanks for all of your help |
| 22:50.49 | mrapple | yeah. ive had bad experiences with him too so i know what your talking about :) |
| 22:53.01 | blasterx | the server that that map was hosted was squrrilhost |
| 22:53.11 | blasterx | hosted on |
| 22:53.16 | blasterx | whatever |
| 22:53.25 | JefferyM | probably poorly configured for security |
| 22:53.27 | JefferyM | lots of them are |
| 22:53.32 | blasterx | yeah |
| 22:53.34 | JefferyM | but then there isn't a shortage of servers |
| 22:53.42 | blasterx | ive never seen that one before |
| 22:53.47 | JefferyM | usualy there are 2 servers for each player |
| 22:53.48 | blasterx | yeah |
| 22:53.49 | JefferyM | or more |
| 22:53.57 | blasterx | :) |
| 22:54.10 | blasterx | thanks for your help |
| 22:54.23 | blasterx | the info was very useful |
| 22:54.27 | blasterx | gtg |
| 22:54.28 | blasterx | bye |
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| 23:35.58 | trepan | JefferyM: you warned CBC that BZ is _not_ the way to do it? |
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| 23:39.11 | JefferyM | yes |
| 23:39.41 | JefferyM | he's probably safe enough tho, specialy with us here at the office ot help him :) |
| 23:40.36 | JefferyM | I think he just wants something that he didn't write to putter on to build his confidence in C++ and other codebases |
| 23:40.43 | JefferyM | so for that i'll suffice |
| 23:43.28 | trepan | assumes s/i'll/it'll/, wouldn't want CBC puttering all over ya ;) |
| 23:43.45 | JefferyM | heh |
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