| 00:04.47 | Constitution | so you can't set custom linker flags with eclipse? |
| 00:05.15 | blast007 | why do we want eclipse? :P |
| 00:07.30 | Constitution | not saying we do... but we are talking about throwing out the build system with nothing to replace it yet |
| 00:07.40 | blast007 | yup! |
| 00:07.53 | blast007 | it will still build on Windows ;) |
| 00:08.03 | blast007 | and probably OSX |
| 00:08.04 | Constitution | and mac, now :) |
| 00:09.50 | Runic | I say just tweek -lcurl in there for now, until we come up with a replacement |
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| 00:15.20 | JefferyM | Constitution, yep to make someone build a proper one for linux that is maintanable |
| 00:15.33 | JefferyM | Runic, if you don't kill it, I will ;) |
| 00:15.50 | Runic | murderer |
| 00:16.03 | JefferyM | everything has a lifecycle |
| 00:16.23 | JefferyM | it's ether that or you go and convert bzflag over to use eclipse ;) |
| 00:16.41 | Runic | no - I will not do it |
| 00:16.45 | Constitution | puts JefferyM on a bread and Linux diet for an entire month |
| 00:17.36 | JefferyM | I'm not suposed to have too much bread |
| 00:17.42 | JefferyM | doctor's orders |
| 00:18.06 | Runic | then your in trouble as I don't think linux will be that good going down |
| 00:18.26 | JefferyM | I'm sure I can resist it quite well :) |
| 00:18.33 | JefferyM | tho with monodev it's not that different |
| 00:18.47 | Constitution | JefferyM: you think anyone will actually fix it, at the rate bzworkbench development has been going? |
| 00:19.00 | JefferyM | Constitution, if they get pissy enouhg yeah |
| 00:19.07 | JefferyM | and at it's current rate, I think it will be fine |
| 00:19.16 | JefferyM | runic has shoved it way forward |
| 00:19.28 | JefferyM | momentem means a lot in open source |
| 00:19.43 | blast007 | yeah, enough so that I'm thinking about posting a new build on my blog ;) |
| 00:19.45 | JefferyM | why the heck is there a debug filder |
| 00:20.11 | blast007 | JefferyM: ask the Eclipse devs ;) |
| 00:20.13 | JefferyM | is that part of the eclipse system? |
| 00:20.13 | JefferyM | ok |
| 00:20.17 | blast007 | afaik |
| 00:20.21 | JefferyM | yeah that is just too far out there |
| 00:20.21 | blast007 | let me look |
| 00:20.46 | JefferyM | so the .project, .cdt files, the dbug dir, and the .settings dir right? |
| 00:21.23 | blast007 | looks like it |
| 00:21.34 | JefferyM | k |
| 00:21.39 | blast007 | eclipse doesn't put makefiles into individual source directories |
| 00:21.57 | blast007 | it puts them all in Debug/ instead |
| 00:24.25 | CIA-53 | BZFlag: 03JeffM2501 * r20921 10/trunk/bzworkbench/ (7 files in 3 dirs): |
| 00:24.26 | CIA-53 | BZFlag: remove eclipse build system ( nothing else in BZ uses it) |
| 00:24.26 | CIA-53 | BZFlag: Add todo mentioning need for proper CLI build system |
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| 00:24.55 | JefferyM | all done |
| 00:25.02 | Constitution | ~JeffM2501-- |
| 00:25.05 | Constitution | ;) |
| 00:25.21 | Runic | and I missed it |
| 00:25.25 | JefferyM | I'll live |
| 00:25.38 | Constitution | yeah I think you have a few left |
| 00:25.41 | blast007 | ~JefferyM++ |
| 00:25.42 | blast007 | :P |
| 00:25.42 | Constitution | ~karma JeffM2501 |
| 00:25.42 | ibot | jeffm2501 has karma of 385 |
| 00:26.33 | JefferyM | need drives development, so removing it will just make someone do it, runic is working hella fast on it and that will just drive it onward |
| 00:31.34 | JefferyM | is happy that his map editor only needs one build system :) |
| 00:31.52 | blast007 | heh |
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| 00:52.03 | JefferyM | ramptastic, http://www.opencombat.net/wp-content/uploads/2010/03/ramp_test.png |
| 00:53.42 | blast007 | heh |
| 00:54.05 | JefferyM | took forever to get collisions to work right on that one |
| 00:57.33 | JefferyM | need to build some outdoor maps |
| 01:01.35 | shining | uhm gentoo still has 2.0.12 which is almost 2 years old |
| 01:01.51 | JefferyM | .14 was only released last month |
| 01:01.58 | JefferyM | so.. kinda makes sense |
| 01:02.29 | JefferyM | not that it has major differences |
| 01:03.46 | blast007 | shining: http://gentoo-portage.com/games-action/bzflag <-- I see 2.0.14 there |
| 01:04.05 | JefferyM | I didn't think tupone would sit on it for too long :) |
| 01:04.09 | blast007 | not sure what the ~ means before the archs though. probably 'not' ? |
| 01:04.54 | JefferyM | looks like it was put up a month ago |
| 01:05.04 | JefferyM | *bzflag-2.0.14 (15 Feb 2010) |
| 01:05.11 | shining | yeah its their development / experimental overlay or whatever |
| 01:05.33 | shining | normal users of gentoo (stable) are on 2.0.12 |
| 01:05.42 | JefferyM | k |
| 01:05.45 | JefferyM | nothing wrong with that |
| 01:06.12 | shining | well no but apparently some of the font change happened in 2.0.14 :) |
| 01:06.18 | JefferyM | yeah |
| 01:06.24 | JefferyM | that's the reason for it, we changed fonts |
| 01:06.32 | JefferyM | for licensing reasons |
| 01:06.38 | JefferyM | that's why we released 14 in the first place |
| 01:06.56 | shining | ah right, I believe I saw that in the code. I really need some tools to browse svn history |
| 01:07.05 | JefferyM | svn will do that |
| 01:07.08 | blast007 | svn log | less |
| 01:07.09 | blast007 | ;) |
| 01:07.13 | JefferyM | or heck your web browser ;) |
| 01:07.30 | JefferyM | 3.0 is going to be the next "major" verison |
| 01:07.44 | JefferyM | and it's currently in it's 5th year of development :) |
| 01:07.57 | blast007 | the web SVN doesn't really have a good way to view the full history |
| 01:08.14 | blast007 | ah, well, guess it sorta does - if you want to view one thing at a time |
| 01:08.14 | JefferyM | he didn't say good tools, just tools |
| 01:08.28 | blast007 | one revision* |
| 01:08.36 | blast007 | :) |
| 01:08.47 | shining | sorry I meant good tools :) svn log | less is the closest I got, I just need some more verbosity but I will rtfm |
| 01:09.04 | JefferyM | just right clicks |
| 01:11.13 | blast007 | shining: http://bzflag.svn.sourceforge.net/viewvc/bzflag?view=rev&revision=20920 <-- like that? the little arrow thingies navigate to the next/previous commit |
| 01:11.35 | CIA-53 | BZFlag: 03JeffM2501 07http://my.bzflag.org * r6986 10/w/BZFlag_3.0: /* Development */ a dd .12 and .14 to the list of releases that are not v3 |
| 01:18.44 | shining | blast007: thanks, that did help (together with svn log). I think I can see what I want now |
| 01:18.53 | shining | I am completely lost without git :) |
| 01:23.53 | shining | I am not sure it makes sense that a simple font change causes the complete garbage I get |
| 01:25.30 | shining | and yet ... |
| 01:25.31 | blast007 | "garbage" meaning what? |
| 01:27.29 | shining | not sure you were here the other day, I am testing bzflag with nouveau drivers :) bzflag font system is hard on them. I found and fixed one driver bug that completely killed performance. now I am hunting another one that causes complete garbage, even just in menu, when switching between window and fullscreen |
| 01:28.05 | shining | I got the main dev to test that game and he couldnt reproduce. but he is using .12 on gentoo |
| 01:28.15 | blast007 | shining: easy enough to test. copy the old fonts and tell the config to point to them instead. ;) |
| 01:29.20 | shining | hm yeah good to know |
| 01:29.37 | shining | but anyway I saw .12 worked, looked at logs, and quickly found offending svn commits |
| 01:29.52 | blast007 | http://bzflag.svn.sourceforge.net/viewvc/bzflag/branches/v2_0branch/bzflag/src/bzflag/defaultBZDB.cxx?r1=16723&r2=18329 |
| 01:29.54 | shining | well "offending" only for the buggy driver of course |
| 01:30.08 | blast007 | (that's when the fonts changed) |
| 01:30.23 | shining | yup |
| 01:31.00 | shining | 18326 works, 18329 causes the bug |
| 01:31.42 | shining | if you're curious http://omploader.org/vM3VmcA :) |
| 01:31.50 | blast007 | ooo fun |
| 01:33.53 | shining | other fun fact : it occurs only after switching between fullscreen and window once or twice. and only when min_filter switches between mipmap and non-mipmap in font rendering/filtering code |
| 01:35.26 | blast007 | exciting |
| 01:36.28 | shining | well I dont want to bother you more with this, its none of your business, I got the info I missed |
| 01:36.48 | Runic | happy hunting |
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| 17:47.37 | CIA-53 | BZFlag: 03bullet_catcher * r20922 10/trunk/bzworkbench/ (8 files in 2 dirs): |
| 17:47.37 | CIA-53 | BZFlag: For unix systems add build system using GNU autotools. |
| 17:47.37 | CIA-53 | BZFlag: Update TODO and INSTALL files accordingly. |
| 17:48.24 | JefferyM | see :) |
| 17:48.34 | BulletCatcher | ~bzfrag JefferyM |
| 17:48.35 | ibot | ACTION destroys JefferyM with a guided missile |
| 17:48.35 | JefferyM | I knew someone would do it |
| 17:48.44 | blast007 | hehe |
| 17:48.57 | JefferyM | hey, you shoulkd be glad I rememberd to set props on the TODO ;) |
| 17:49.54 | BulletCatcher | The svn server now insists that props be set on new files, so you don't have much of a choice any more. |
| 17:50.09 | JefferyM | just for mime type I think, not EOL |
| 17:50.26 | BulletCatcher | Could be. |
| 17:50.50 | JefferyM | but still, thank you for making a proper build system for it |
| 17:51.00 | JefferyM | did not like the idea of maintaing an eclipse system |
| 17:51.08 | BulletCatcher | The rejection message for no MIME type does suggest setting svn:eol-style. |
| 17:51.48 | BulletCatcher | Yeah. Still, it isn't nice to simply remove stuff that is essentially working. |
| 17:51.58 | JefferyM | I know |
| 17:52.54 | JefferyM | I'm a little miffed that we let that build system be created in the first place |
| 17:52.55 | JefferyM | I knew I'd rub some people the wrong way, but sadly that sometimes gets things done |
| 17:52.57 | JefferyM | is ok being the bad guy for the sake of progress |
| 17:53.07 | JefferyM | since you are the new nice guy :) |
| 17:53.14 | BulletCatcher | grrrrr |
| 17:53.18 | BulletCatcher | :-) |
| 17:53.54 | JefferyM | part of it is my fault, since it had a windows build system I didn't look at the linux one when it was being made long ago |
| 17:54.47 | JefferyM | my fear was that since the eclipse system worked, people would not replace it since it's easier to just use what is there, and then we'd be suck with it. |
| 17:54.51 | JefferyM | stuck even |
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| 17:55.13 | JefferyM | that people would think "well that's the way it was, I guess it's right" |
| 17:55.37 | BulletCatcher | Doing the autotools stuff was on my list. I just didn't expect to do it today. |
| 17:56.03 | JefferyM | had I known you were planning it I would have left it |
| 17:56.25 | JefferyM | what else is on your list? and where can we view it? |
| 17:56.44 | blast007 | 1) World Domination |
| 17:56.51 | JefferyM | 2).... |
| 17:56.56 | JefferyM | 3) profit! |
| 17:57.01 | blast007 | ;D |
| 17:57.09 | BulletCatcher | My list is long. I should commit it to the various TODO and BUGS files. |
| 17:57.31 | JefferyM | yeah it would be nice if we all kept a marker in the files saying we plan on working on it |
| 17:57.50 | JefferyM | but also put something somewhere that says "if you want to do it before the person who put a marker on it, DO IT" |
| 17:58.15 | JefferyM | knowing who to pester is a good thing :) |
| 17:59.00 | JefferyM | and that would be .... kinda like a plan.. gasp! |
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| 17:59.11 | blast007 | did someone use the 'p' word?? |
| 17:59.30 | JefferyM | tisn't a bad word anymore, we've actualy been planing a little |
| 17:59.36 | JefferyM | we have specs for features in the wiki |
| 17:59.41 | blast007 | yeah ;) |
| 17:59.52 | JefferyM | brave new world etc.... |
| 18:00.34 | blast007 | I'm gonna start to poke around with drupal as well |
| 18:00.48 | blast007 | after I figure out why it couldn't send email |
| 18:00.57 | JefferyM | heh |
| 18:01.04 | JefferyM | we don't have a vhost yet |
| 18:01.10 | JefferyM | that's why I've put it off |
| 18:01.11 | blast007 | no, on my server |
| 18:01.16 | JefferyM | I know |
| 18:01.17 | blast007 | using bzflag.local domains ;) |
| 18:01.26 | JefferyM | you are much more qualified then I |
| 18:01.47 | JefferyM | there is a plugin that will let it auth against phpbb, that may be good to try using your fourm backup |
| 18:02.00 | blast007 | I'm just gonna use a clean forum install for now |
| 18:02.06 | JefferyM | k |
| 18:02.40 | JefferyM | here is the link with all the social stuff I was looking at, http://drupal.org/node/206724 |
| 18:02.45 | JefferyM | it's got the list of various plugins |
| 18:05.10 | blast007 | something that would be useful to look into eventually would be using APC along with all our web services. It caches the opcode that the PHP parser generates, so future page loads can just read the opcode. |
| 18:05.33 | blast007 | plus it can store other objects from the web apps |
| 18:05.55 | blast007 | phpBB3 has support for it, though I'm not sure what all it would cache |
| 18:07.00 | blast007 | can't wait to see how much cache phpBB3 sucks up |
| 18:08.54 | BulletCatcher | On the subject of plans, to fully document the changes for 2.0.14.2, I propose to first create a branches/v2_0branch/misc/2.0.14.1 directory in SVN. |
| 18:08.58 | BulletCatcher | I'll add patch files (vs. the 2.0.14 tarball) to that directory along with a README or a shell script that tells how to produce the new minor version. All developers will be welcome to contribute as usual. |
| 18:09.04 | BulletCatcher | When it is ready to go, the directory will be renamed to 2.0.14.2 and the patch files adjusted for the .2 version number, and new tarballs created. Followup changes, if any, would go into a new 2.0.14.3 directory. |
| 18:09.17 | BulletCatcher | Does that sound reasonable? |
| 18:09.35 | JefferyM | yup |
| 18:10.22 | JefferyM | I can't see any problems with more svn logs :) |
| 18:10.51 | JefferyM | tho you should copy the 14.2 to tags when it's made |
| 18:11.27 | JefferyM | then we will always have something that can rebuild the tarball if needed |
| 18:11.31 | BulletCatcher | Okay. I'll have to actually look at the tags stuff, but I'm sure I'll figure it out. |
| 18:11.40 | JefferyM | it's the same as branches |
| 18:11.48 | JefferyM | we just don't change them by convention |
| 18:11.52 | JefferyM | so it's just a svn copy |
| 18:12.00 | JefferyM | once you rename to .2 |
| 18:12.43 | JefferyM | bassicly we have a tag in svn ( a static copy ) for every tarball we have on sf |
| 18:12.56 | JefferyM | that way we have a snapshot at that rev |
| 18:16.54 | blast007 | oooo.. http://drupal.org/project/ldap_provisioning |
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| 20:57.56 | CIA-53 | BZFlag: - textures loaded via build2DTexture are now cached in the stateCache |
| 20:57.56 | CIA-53 | BZFlag: - stateCache is now cleared when loading another map |
| 20:57.56 | CIA-53 | BZFlag: - these changes clean up allot of memory waste and will speed up texture loading |
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| 22:26.59 | blast007 | Runic: I loaded a map yesterday (okay, *tried* to load) that I think had too many objects ;) |
| 22:27.16 | blast007 | that's the first time I've seen the memory meter on my gaming box read 99% |
| 22:27.26 | blast007 | (out of 3.25GB available to the system) |
| 22:30.47 | blast007 | would the change you just made possibly help? it was a map with around 10135 boxes with each side having a material applied to it |
| 22:31.05 | blast007 | think there was a total of 4 to 6 materials |
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| 22:35.11 | Runic | blast007 if they also had textures then yes |
| 22:36.59 | Runic | then It's probably the object count, not over texture loading |
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| 22:38.58 | Runic | although the way it waas it would have loaded the texture in the material over and over for each time it was referenced |
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| 22:39.15 | Runic | so try again |
| 22:40.32 | Runic | not sure how many boxes I have in my Curcit Board maps but I can open them now - slugish |
| 22:40.53 | Runic | circut |
| 22:41.27 | blast007 | ok |
| 22:41.37 | blast007 | I'll rebuild when I get home tonight |
| 22:41.56 | blast007 | if you want, the map file itself is also available |
| 22:42.06 | Runic | what the url |
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| 23:30.38 | JefferyM | eww it made a full copy of each texture reference? |
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| 23:48.41 | shining | hey |
| 23:48.50 | JefferyM | hello |
| 23:49.34 | JefferyM | how's it going? |
| 23:49.59 | shining | the other dev for that other driver found and fixed the font garbage so I am happy :) http://cgit.freedesktop.org/mesa/mesa/commit/?id=e548babb1fc9230054674deb5e332f55319e5b91 |
| 23:50.17 | JefferyM | fun |
| 23:50.53 | shining | I didnt help much. I didnt find it broke during toga -> dejavu move but no idea why that caused a format change |
| 23:51.41 | shining | B8G8R8A8 -> I8 |
| 23:52.02 | shining | PIPE_FORMAT_I8_UNORM = 11, /**< ubyte intensity */ |
| 23:52.24 | shining | anyway i8 was not implemented so boom :) all good now |
| 23:53.00 | JefferyM | 8 bit bgra |
| 23:53.06 | JefferyM | not an uncommon fomat |
| 23:53.29 | shining | no that one was implemented and used with Toga font. it worked |
| 23:53.31 | JefferyM | that's how windows dibs are stored |
| 23:53.39 | shining | less common is I8 I think |
| 23:54.27 | shining | no idea why it wants I8 for DejaVu. blah |
| 23:54.40 | JefferyM | because I rebuilt the fonts |
| 23:54.49 | JefferyM | using a different variant of the tool |
| 23:55.14 | JefferyM | so they probalby had different structures |
| 23:55.36 | JefferyM | if "I8" is 8 bit BRGA that makes sense |
| 23:55.47 | JefferyM | BGRA I mean |
| 23:55.56 | JefferyM | that's what is stored in them |
| 23:56.04 | JefferyM | ARGB backwards |
| 23:57.45 | JefferyM | I think I also saved em out of photoshop this time |
| 23:57.51 | JefferyM | instead of the crappy tool |
| 23:58.12 | blast007 | I8 looks to be 8-bit indexed |
| 23:58.38 | shining | what should matter, the png or the fmt ? |
| 23:58.48 | JefferyM | the png is the actual texture |
| 23:58.51 | JefferyM | that's what it's loading |
| 23:59.08 | JefferyM | hmmm they are gayscale, maybe it did index them |
| 23:59.15 | JefferyM | still no matter, GL should load em |
| 23:59.23 | JefferyM | indexed would save ram too, so that's good |
| 23:59.41 | JefferyM | the fmt is just the kerning info |
