IRC log for #bzflag on 20100201

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20:56.34JefferyMblast007, have you ever tried to rehost the wiki anywhere?
20:56.43blast007no
20:56.55JefferyMI think that would be a good test of the vps too, as it's a bit of a pig
20:57.02blast007k
20:57.37JefferyMwe have what, www, my ( including wiki, fourms, list, weblogin)
20:57.41JefferyMandything else?
20:57.56JefferyMas in our "core" services
20:58.00blast007images.bzflag.org
20:58.03JefferyMahh yeah
20:58.06JefferyMresources
20:58.18blast007yeah, and that's probably it
20:58.23JefferyMnot too bad
20:58.31blast007store doesn't really count right now ;)  nor is it "core"
20:58.32JefferyMwww and my should be easy to replicate
20:58.45JefferyMyeah store HTML
20:58.52JefferyMso that's easy no matter what :)
20:58.53blast007my will actually be the hardest
20:59.13JefferyMoh it has that odd rule for /db dosn't it?
20:59.13blast007lots of intertwined services
20:59.22blast007oh yeah, it's fun stuff ;)
20:59.30JefferyMwww should be easy
20:59.35blast007but just the config and stuff too
20:59.38blast007yeah
21:00.10JefferyMshould install mod-security too
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22:22.29MacGyverXIHi all.
22:23.14MacGyverXII have 2 questions today.
22:23.18MacGyverXI1. Can someone tell me what programming language BZFlag was written in?
22:24.06MacGyverXI2. Any Java gurus willing to tutor a young Jedi?
22:25.11brad1. c/c++ - http://my.bzflag.org/w/Category:Development
22:25.11ConstitutionMacGyverXI: http://my.bzflag.org/w/BZFlag_Source
22:25.14brad2. #java
22:25.47Constitutiondarn, I cut brad in half :( sorry brad
22:25.52bradConstitution: tried to find that, but it was loading too slow for me ;(
22:26.00bradhehe
22:26.18Constitutionprobably cause I was looking for it too :)
22:26.24Constitutiontook like 30 seconds for me
22:26.32bradyeah...
22:27.12MacGyverXIInvite only on the #java channel.
22:27.50brad##java then, althought it should redirect you there
22:27.58MacGyverXIEither way - they'd probably laugh me out of the channel if I asked for tutoring help.
22:28.22braddoubt that, they are there to help people...
22:28.34Constitutionperhaps because nobody knows what you want when you ask for "tutoring help"
22:28.44Constitutionask specific questions, and people are usually very willing to help
22:28.47JefferyMhow much do you know about the language?
22:29.23MacGyverXI@Jeff, quite a bit, but I need to be pushed over the edge of getting it and not getting it.
22:29.45JefferyMI doubt someone will give you work to do, that has to be up to you
22:29.58JefferyMI'd pick a project, work on it, and then you can ask very specific questions
22:30.03JefferyMthat is how you will get help
22:30.13MacGyverXII've been through 2 college courses of it already, and I'm still having trouble understanding all of the theory behind it.
22:30.16JefferyMnot by just randomly saying "teach me stuff" to people on the internet
22:30.38JefferyMsounds like you just need some general aglo classes then
22:30.50JefferyMdata structures and stuff
22:30.56JefferyMthings that arn't langauge specific
22:31.10MacGyverXIaglo? you mean algorhythms and such?
22:31.15JefferyMyes
22:31.37JefferyMknowing how to program is much more then just knowing what to type in one language
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22:31.52MacGyverXIWhat, I can't ask someone... "Hey! You wanna teach me some stuff about things? Awesome!"
22:31.53JefferyMthat's where all the background stuff is.
22:32.12JefferyMyou can ask that, few if any will take you up on that vauge of an offer
22:32.22JefferyMthat's all I'm saying
22:32.26MacGyverXII hear ya.
22:32.39JefferyMpick some aspect of some project to work on
22:32.43JefferyMgive your self real world goals
22:32.53JefferyMthen you get the experience of actual problem solving
22:33.04JefferyMnot just typing out another linked list implementation :)
22:33.18MacGyverXITrust me, I've got projects to work on...  ;)
22:33.45JefferyMbut no, bzflag is not written in java
22:34.04JefferyMit's C++ with some lua and a smattering of php and perl for some tools
22:34.06bradnot yet.. ;)
22:34.15JefferyMdoubt it ever will be
22:34.19MacGyverXI...which is too bad for me, because I'd probably be in a room full of Java-Fu warriors right now. ;)
22:34.20JefferyMa fork maybe
22:34.53JefferyMbzflag is a very old game, it predates java
22:35.05MacGyverXII suppose. I never thought of that.
22:35.23JefferyMthe very first version wasn't even C++, it was just flat C
22:35.39MacGyverXIOh, btw, ##Java didn't do much for me either. ;)
22:36.12MacGyverXICobal? =D
22:36.15JefferyMyeah it's a bit geneic
22:36.42MacGyverXI*Cobol. sp
22:36.53JefferyMthats why I sugest going to a project that uses java and picking some work to do in it. THen the people who work on it will be more inclined to help you with specifics
22:37.06JefferyMno, C
22:37.19MacGyverXIYeah - they're different, I know.
22:37.24JefferyMvery
22:37.59MacGyverXISo let me get this straight.
22:38.53MacGyverXIYou're saying that the language is just the language - but programming in general is it's own animal. Without understanding data structures and algorhythms and such, I won't be programming a damn thing?
22:39.05MacGyverXIOr...
22:39.39MacGyverXIIf I understand data structures and algos, I can pretty much program with any language one I learn said language?
22:39.41JefferyMit is harder to do good programing with out the knowledge of how computers and programin in general works
22:39.46JefferyMboth are true
22:39.52JefferyMit is hard to do with out
22:39.56MacGyverXIright on.
22:40.02JefferyMand yeah, once you know how to program, language is just syntax
22:40.10JefferyMdifferent langauges are suited to different tasks
22:40.20MacGyverXII have a fundamental problem in my knowledge somewhere... and I'm trying to find it and correct it.
22:40.43JefferyMyou probably just learned a language and did the tutorials, so all you know is syntax
22:40.47MacGyverXII can't tell if its the ds/algos or the syntax
22:40.48JefferyMyou need the programer logic stuff
22:41.02JefferyMlike when you'd use a linked list over an array
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22:41.25MacGyverXIWell, my 1st Java course the instructor was an idiot. I don't think that helped much.
22:41.34Erroneousif you're serious about it, make sure to learn at least two, fundamentally different (like, OO, functional, procedural), languages, and try to implement the same thing in both a few times
22:41.52JefferyMyeah then you see the different approaches to similar tasks
22:42.00MacGyverXI@err - yes. I'd like to do that.
22:42.13JefferyMin general programing is about breaking problems down into small solveable steps
22:42.29MacGyverXII need to get this Java stuff down in 3 months so I can pass my class.
22:43.03Erroneousso if you already know java, and you feel like there's something missing, try learning a procedural (C, fortran), or functional (lisp, F#) language
22:43.16Erroneousthe different perspective really helps
22:43.17JefferyMlolCode
22:43.24JefferyM;)
22:43.39MacGyverXIwhat. what's wrong with fortran?  LMAO.
22:43.53Gabe_G23brainfuck
22:44.05JefferyMif you are going to do that go for whitespace
22:44.13Erroneousbetter yet is to try writing an interpreter for one style of language in another.  that's a nice challenge.
22:44.42MacGyverXIC++ is procedural, correct? I can't remember...
22:44.46Erroneousit's OO
22:44.50MacGyverXIahh
22:44.53MacGyverXIdurr.
22:44.56Erroneousbut it's a superset of C, which is procedural
22:45.09MacGyverXII knew they were related somehow.
22:45.50MacGyverXIWell thanks for the suggestions, guys - I appreciate it.
22:46.18MacGyverXIYou BZFlag mods usually have something intellegent to say... =)
22:46.38Gabe_G23MacGyverXI: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Comparison_of_programming_paradigms :O?
22:47.09MacGyverXIThanks Gabe.
22:47.15Gabe_G23np :p
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23:14.03brlcadhttps://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/bzflag/+bug/515703
23:15.40JefferyMbad config probably
23:16.02JefferyMI wonder what "cache" he increased
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23:37.48blast007JefferyM: probably the resource file cache, which is just disk space
23:38.11JefferyMwhy would that change the speed of bzflag when it's running?
23:38.43blast007well, he never said it got faster or slower ;)
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23:38.51JefferyMif it's a system thing then it's probably ether a misconfiged system or crap drivers
23:39.00JefferyMwell why would you even think to change that? :)
23:39.12blast007cuz 'cache' sounds cool
23:39.21JefferyMheh
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