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| 01:52.23 | jcp | heya MJ94 |
| 01:52.26 | jcp | This is it |
| 01:52.30 | jcp | and I'll brb, dinner |
| 01:52.39 | MJ94 | ok |
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| 02:17.15 | awilcox | Landon__, woof |
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| 02:30.29 | jcp | is back |
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| 02:43.01 | awilcox | short circuits short_circuit |
| 02:54.50 | Landon__ | <PROTECTED> |
| 02:59.04 | awilcox | Landon__, gu? how do I sign up? |
| 02:59.28 | Landon__ | http://gu.bzleague.com/index.php?link=teams |
| 02:59.32 | Landon__ | Create an account |
| 02:59.45 | Landon__ | Message an admin asking for spawn permission |
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| 03:07.27 | awilcox | Landon__: >.> where do I find an admin? |
| 03:07.32 | awilcox | I signed up. |
| 03:08.06 | Landon__ | Send a PM to any of the following: |
| 03:08.13 | Landon__ | Destroyer |
| 03:08.15 | Landon__ | beanpole |
| 03:08.17 | Landon__ | quantum dot |
| 03:08.18 | Landon__ | menotume |
| 03:08.20 | Landon__ | brad |
| 03:08.21 | Landon__ | ts |
| 03:08.23 | Landon__ | Orbit |
| 03:08.24 | Landon__ | Quol |
| 03:08.26 | Landon__ | Birdie |
| 03:08.27 | Landon__ | Saturos |
| 03:08.29 | Landon__ | ducatiwannabe |
| 03:08.30 | Landon__ | Asking for spawn permission |
| 03:08.33 | Landon__ | and I probably just pinged 1 or 2 people >.> |
| 03:08.38 | brad | *nod* |
| 03:09.02 | brad | I can add ya now awilcox |
| 03:09.19 | awilcox | brad, sounds good |
| 03:09.20 | Landon__ | haha, yep |
| 03:09.24 | awilcox | brad, my callsign is AWOS |
| 03:09.42 | brad | ok |
| 03:09.58 | Landon__ | Hm, the information is outdated |
| 03:10.46 | brad | you should be in now |
| 03:10.50 | awilcox | cool! |
| 03:11.06 | awilcox | now is there any official practice thing or do I just do my best on public maps? |
| 03:11.21 | Landon__ | Have a look at the rules page first |
| 03:11.30 | Landon__ | It can prevent many stupid mistakes |
| 03:12.13 | awilcox | I wouldn't ever call anyone on cheating in public, nor harass people |
| 03:12.19 | awilcox | I'm not that kind of player |
| 03:12.28 | Landon__ | I'm talking more interrupting matches |
| 03:12.48 | awilcox | I wouldn't do that either |
| 03:13.54 | awilcox | will go play on the bzolympics map |
| 03:14.04 | awilcox | that's good practice :P |
| 03:17.37 | Landon__ | awilcox: the best thing to do is join a match server and watch the experienced players and chat with the obs |
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| 03:56.18 | blast007 | http://pastebin.bzflag.bz/m6130cacb <--- at the highlighted line, will there be a memory leak? should I be free()'ing the struct before I erase the entry from the std::map? |
| 04:08.21 | JeffM | no, it's not a pointer |
| 04:08.27 | JeffM | it's a class |
| 04:08.42 | JeffM | it was copied by value not as a pointer |
| 04:08.57 | JeffM | you'll notice it was never newed |
| 04:09.04 | JeffM | just defined as a local variable |
| 04:09.44 | JeffM | erase calls the classes destructor |
| 04:09.50 | JeffM | so anything the player did will be cleaned up then |
| 04:10.11 | JeffM | sorry, meant object, not class :) |
| 04:10.35 | JeffM | TimRiker: you arround? |
| 04:12.33 | blast007 | ok |
| 04:12.55 | JeffM | that's the joy of containers blast007, they contain magic ;) |
| 04:13.01 | blast007 | :) |
| 04:17.18 | TimRiker | JeffM, sorta. 'sup? |
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| 04:17.55 | JeffM | TimRiker: do you recall a google spreadsheet I sent you ages ago that had the list of *.bzflag.org domains to delete and convert to .net addresses? |
| 04:20.37 | TimRiker | yes. Not sure where it is at this point. I still did not get around to separating the zonefile. It's still on my todo list. |
| 04:20.44 | JeffM | k |
| 04:21.01 | JeffM | was just wondering if it got done |
| 04:21.03 | JeffM | now I know :) |
| 04:21.21 | TimRiker | .com/.net/.org still share the same zonefile in my version control. |
| 04:23.20 | JeffM | we could probalby get the dns hosted on our servers at sagonet if you wanted to take some of the load off |
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| 04:43.36 | blast007 | JeffM: if I'm handling spawn positions in a plugin, is there a way to make sure I'm not spawning someone into solid matter? |
| 04:45.06 | trepan | bz_cylinderInMapObject() and bz_cylinderInMapObject() ? |
| 04:45.44 | trepan | oops, bad paste, the second was to be: bz_boxInMapObject() |
| 04:45.53 | blast007 | are those only in trunk? |
| 04:46.05 | blast007 | hmm, looks to be |
| 04:46.12 | JeffM | yeah bots needed them |
| 04:46.40 | JeffM | in branch all you can do is ask the server to compute a spawn for you IIRC |
| 04:47.01 | blast007 | k |
| 04:47.13 | JeffM | you can backport those if you want to |
| 04:47.34 | blast007 | heh |
| 04:47.48 | JeffM | tho I think the guts of the obstacle stuff it calls is different |
| 04:48.15 | blast007 | ok. something to think about. |
| 04:48.19 | trepan | you might want to expose some of DropGeometry.h |
| 04:48.22 | trepan | easy API |
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| 04:48.38 | JeffM | yeah that was the general idea |
| 04:49.22 | blast007 | trepan: yup, that was the stuff I was looking at in the spawn policy |
| 04:53.55 | CIA-75 | BZFlag: 03trepan * r20749 10/trunk/bzflag/src/bzfs/ (DropGeometry.h bzfs.cxx): * DropGeometry.h don't need no stinkin' WorldInfo |
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| 05:36.27 | JeffM | wonders if he should even bother doing blending on vertex based animations |
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| 18:01.49 | tobylane | how do you log all chat messages |
| 18:03.46 | joevano | where.. on the server or your client |
| 18:03.52 | tobylane | client |
| 18:06.02 | tobylane | if its not in, can it be a feature request |
| 18:06.19 | joevano | i think it is... i just don't use it |
| 18:06.30 | joevano | so I'm looking |
| 18:07.02 | Manu | tobylane: I guess you ask for bzflag -echo |
| 18:07.59 | Manu | <PROTECTED> |
| 18:08.25 | Dontkillme | tobylane: You can use the /savemsgs command to save the chat messages. |
| 18:08.31 | joevano | then you can redirect it to a file with > or >> |
| 18:08.53 | Manu | hugs Dontkillme |
| 18:09.08 | joevano | Dontkillme: that too ;) |
| 18:09.41 | tobylane | ty |
| 18:09.43 | Dontkillme | tobylane: BZFlag saves the logs automatically to "My BZFlag Files\msglog.txt" |
| 18:09.49 | Dontkillme | No problem. |
| 18:09.59 | tobylane | could -echo in future filter like the chat screen in game can |
| 18:10.18 | tobylane | eg if i only wanted actions/messages |
| 18:10.20 | Manu | tobylane: fileter is done server side |
| 18:10.24 | Manu | filter* |
| 18:11.02 | tobylane | is there anything i can do, grepping grabbed/dropped/killed out would catch some talking |
| 18:11.06 | joevano | tobylane: there is a clientside filter already |
| 18:11.22 | tobylane | by filter i mean like you press 8 and only get chat, not lang |
| 18:11.26 | Manu | joevano: I was thinking in bad words filter ;) |
| 18:12.41 | joevano | tobylane: like this? http://my.bzflag.org/bb/viewtopic.php?f=2&t=13549&p=132931&hilit=client+side+filter#p132931 |
| 18:13.09 | tobylane | i just want to log messages, not kills/flags |
| 18:18.53 | blast007 | tobylane: on windows, -echo works differently |
| 18:18.59 | blast007 | think it makes it log to a file |
| 18:19.10 | blast007 | but that file gets overwritten each time you run the client |
| 18:19.18 | tobylane | yeah, lack of sdout, but either way it gets everything including flags |
| 18:19.20 | JeffM | echo dumps everything |
| 18:19.31 | JeffM | there is no messag filter |
| 18:19.36 | JeffM | you'd have to mod your client |
| 18:19.41 | JeffM | it would be a simple mod |
| 18:21.32 | tobylane | is there anything, like a wiki page, detailing the games command line options |
| 18:21.46 | JeffM | there is the man page |
| 18:21.55 | blast007 | and bzflag -help |
| 18:22.03 | JeffM | it was installed for you as a html file on windows |
| 18:22.27 | JeffM | should be a shortcut to them in your start menu |
| 18:22.40 | tobylane | -help just says what they are, is there a full list like there is for bzfs |
| 18:22.53 | JeffM | manpage |
| 18:23.22 | tobylane | no entry |
| 18:23.28 | blast007 | what? |
| 18:23.31 | blast007 | what os are you on? |
| 18:23.35 | tobylane | osx |
| 18:23.37 | JeffM | oh |
| 18:23.43 | joevano | tobylane: you are free to help us out and document them on the wiki :) |
| 18:23.57 | JeffM | it won't be in man on OSX |
| 18:24.01 | JeffM | it'll be an HTML file |
| 18:24.02 | tobylane | i'd have to understand the source and so on |
| 18:24.15 | JeffM | should have been in the docs folder in the disk image you installed from |
| 18:24.35 | tobylane | nope, just had the app file alone |
| 18:25.59 | JeffM | really? brlcad was suposed to ship those |
| 18:25.59 | JeffM | thats why we made them |
| 18:26.18 | tobylane | anyway, original point, should i file a feature request or just state it here |
| 18:26.18 | Manu | blast007 went away... :) |
| 18:26.18 | JeffM | tobylane: stting it here won't get it done |
| 18:26.18 | JeffM | nor will probably filing a feture request |
| 18:26.31 | Manu | JeffM: dunno if is a good idea client side plugins :) |
| 18:26.31 | JeffM | best thing to do is implement it |
| 18:26.34 | tobylane | would logging chat only inspire you to think about it later? |
| 18:26.40 | JeffM | Manu: it could be, but it's a decent enough thing for a base feature |
| 18:26.58 | JeffM | Manu: but dosn't matter we don't have client side plugins anymore |
| 18:27.01 | joevano | tobylane: you can file a request if you don't mind waiting until someone gets interested enough to do it (read probably never) |
| 18:27.01 | JeffM | they were pulled |
| 18:27.05 | tobylane | the client already does it for the gui, it cant be any harder for sdout |
| 18:27.26 | Manu | JeffM: yeah |
| 18:27.27 | JeffM | tobylane: it's not about how hard it is, it's really easy, it's about someone wanting to spend the time to do it |
| 18:27.54 | JeffM | honestly it's less then a 10 line change |
| 18:28.19 | tobylane | c++? |
| 18:28.26 | Manu | we can sepend longer time talking here than implementing it ;) |
| 18:28.29 | JeffM | that is what bzflag is wriente in yes |
| 18:28.52 | tobylane | ive started to learn it but atm i'd do more harm than good on a project this size |
| 18:29.03 | JeffM | a patch can do no harm :) |
| 18:29.19 | JeffM | worst we do is not accept it |
| 18:29.19 | joevano | tobylane: not likely, and everyone starts somewhere |
| 18:29.19 | brlcad | hmm, new gibbscam |
| 18:29.24 | JeffM | ? |
| 18:29.25 | brlcad | now with MORE spiriling |
| 18:29.36 | Manu | JeffM: an option is to expand /savemessages to all|chat|... |
| 18:29.40 | JeffM | oh 2010? |
| 18:29.57 | JeffM | Manu: that's one way sure |
| 18:30.09 | JeffM | I'd do a CLI option for -logchat |
| 18:30.17 | Manu | hugs brlcad |
| 18:30.17 | JeffM | and then throw them into dated files in the config dir |
| 18:30.23 | brlcad | hugs manu |
| 18:30.32 | JeffM | is totaly working on 2011 |
| 18:33.20 | joevano | JeffM: is that the one you guys work on? |
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| 18:33.41 | JeffM | we should put the man HTML pages up somewhere and link them from the wiki, since they didn't get shipped with the mac version. |
| 18:33.41 | JeffM | joevano: we work on all of em |
| 18:33.41 | JeffM | I'm just done with work on 2010, untill we do 2010.1 |
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| 18:33.41 | JeffM | I'm rewriting major parts of my codebase for the next major release |
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| 18:35.01 | JeffM | no more paths, no more features :) |
| 18:36.58 | blast007 | wooo, I'm back |
| 18:37.26 | JeffM | and how was narnia this time of year? |
| 18:37.48 | brlcad | was supposed to ship something? |
| 18:38.09 | JeffM | brlcad: the HTMLed man pages in the disk image |
| 18:38.17 | JeffM | thought we had discussed putting those in there |
| 18:38.24 | JeffM | on the mac version |
| 18:38.32 | JeffM | maybe that was for 3 |
| 18:38.33 | brlcad | we did discuss, like three years ago :) |
| 18:38.38 | brlcad | it was iirc |
| 18:38.42 | JeffM | k |
| 18:38.47 | JeffM | we should throw them up somewhere |
| 18:39.03 | JeffM | or relink to that man to HTML thingy |
| 18:39.13 | JeffM | mac users don't gots access to the docs |
| 18:39.20 | blast007 | tobylane: http://linux.die.net/man/6/bzflag ;) |
| 18:39.34 | blast007 | not sure how new that is though |
| 18:39.44 | JeffM | thank the gods for someone else's work |
| 18:39.55 | blast007 | hmm, does look like 2.0.x based on the flags it has :) |
| 18:40.11 | blast007 | yeah, imagine a search for "bzflag man page" would give me the man page for bzflag |
| 18:40.12 | JeffM | yeah it' probalby just yanking it from the current debian repos |
| 18:40.45 | brlcad | docs smocks, it's all up on the wiki ;) |
| 18:40.57 | JeffM | the client docs arnt IIRC |
| 18:41.01 | JeffM | the server is, yes |
| 18:41.25 | brlcad | the client docs wouldn't exactly be helpful to mac users |
| 18:41.29 | brlcad | as you don't run bzflag that way |
| 18:41.40 | blast007 | some do |
| 18:41.42 | JeffM | he wanted to run it that way to get access to some of the features |
| 18:41.46 | JeffM | like chat loging |
| 18:42.05 | brlcad | right, comprendo .. but it's got a variety of issues |
| 18:42.08 | brlcad | like finidng resources |
| 18:42.15 | tobylane | how usable is blender as a game engine |
| 18:42.21 | brlcad | and config file data dir |
| 18:42.25 | JeffM | yeah, another reason why he needs the docs to fiund the command to get the resource right :) |
| 18:42.41 | JeffM | tobylane: some people have had good luck with it |
| 18:42.55 | blast007 | tobylane: google "blender game" |
| 18:42.57 | JeffM | others not so much |
| 18:42.58 | Landon__ | Blender is also really hard to learn |
| 18:43.05 | Landon__ | fun to mess with though |
| 18:43.11 | JeffM | that would be the main complaint of it yes |
| 18:43.20 | JeffM | it all depends on what you are looking for in a game engine |
| 18:43.26 | JeffM | and how flexable you want it to be |
| 18:43.55 | brlcad | most modeling packages are "hard to learn" |
| 18:44.07 | JeffM | indeed, lots of concepts to get down |
| 18:44.07 | brlcad | there's a lot to cover to even do the basics effectively |
| 18:44.08 | Landon__ | Compare blender to wings3d |
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| 18:44.17 | JeffM | Landon__: yeah and compare the output |
| 18:44.22 | JeffM | blender output is much better |
| 18:44.30 | Landon__ | Yeah, payoffs better |
| 18:44.36 | Landon__ | The learning curve is steeper though |
| 18:44.36 | JeffM | wings can produce some really crappy models |
| 18:44.41 | JeffM | no normals, crap UVs, etc... |
| 18:44.54 | JeffM | the blender interface is somewhat nonstandard |
| 18:44.59 | JeffM | that's what throws most people I think |
| 18:45.27 | brlcad | it's starting to come back to me regarding the docs -- I vaguely recall that it was something we were going to change for 3.0, but leaving the 2.0 line like the rest have been |
| 18:45.38 | tobylane | its the same base for blender and ogre, which i believe was what you liked the look of the most |
| 18:45.55 | JeffM | blender is not based on ogre |
| 18:45.58 | JeffM | not by a long shot |
| 18:46.10 | JeffM | they are seperate codebases |
| 18:46.17 | JeffM | with some plugins to read each other's data |
| 18:46.23 | tobylane | the animation seems to be teh same |
| 18:46.25 | JeffM | ogre is a great graphics engine. |
| 18:46.31 | JeffM | sure they both do skeletal |
| 18:46.31 | Landon__ | oh and toby, a good mouse would help your cause. If you're like me and have a macbook, the 1 button clicker isn't gonna cut it |
| 18:46.38 | JeffM | all packages do skeletal these days |
| 18:46.48 | tobylane | what cause |
| 18:46.57 | Landon__ | Working in blender |
| 18:47.26 | JeffM | ogre has export plugins for a ton of systems |
| 18:47.41 | Dontkillme | How can I start pyBZFlag? |
| 18:47.45 | JeffM | and Z is up |
| 18:47.51 | blast007 | Dontkillme: very carefully? |
| 18:47.52 | blast007 | ;) |
| 18:48.01 | JeffM | Dontkillme: from the command line, after oyu start a v1.10 server |
| 18:48.05 | blast007 | does it even run? |
| 18:48.09 | JeffM | it should |
| 18:48.13 | JeffM | if he builds it right |
| 18:48.14 | blast007 | I don't think I ever got the client part to work right |
| 18:48.21 | JeffM | it's not easy to set up :) |
| 18:48.23 | blast007 | managed to get the little test app working |
| 18:48.25 | JeffM | and it dosn't do anything real |
| 18:48.33 | blast007 | I had to fix some crap in the python libraries to get it to work |
| 18:48.35 | JeffM | Dontkillme: it's not a real client, you know that right? |
| 18:48.49 | JeffM | yeah a lot of the stuff they used is outdated now |
| 18:49.10 | Dontkillme | JeffM: Oh, is it chat-only? |
| 18:49.21 | JeffM | doubt it's even that |
| 18:49.25 | JeffM | it's not a finished project |
| 18:49.28 | tobylane | Unable to locate [message_private] audio file (media dir is set to /Applications/BZFlag.app/Contents/Resources) and a million other sound errors |
| 18:49.30 | JeffM | it was an experiment |
| 18:49.40 | JeffM | it connects and downloads the map |
| 18:49.42 | JeffM | that's about it I think |
| 18:49.55 | JeffM | tobylane: yep that's what brlcad was talkinga bout |
| 18:49.55 | blast007 | and you can probably fly around as an observer ;) |
| 18:50.02 | Dontkillme | It only says "ImportError: No module named BZFlag" :/ |
| 18:50.06 | JeffM | when you run from the command line you have to tell us where the data dir is |
| 18:50.13 | JeffM | Dontkillme: how much do you know about python? |
| 18:50.20 | JeffM | cus you'll have to debug it |
| 18:50.23 | tobylane | where is it |
| 18:50.26 | JeffM | it's not something we currently support |
| 18:50.29 | Dontkillme | JeffM: Not much... |
| 18:50.29 | JeffM | tobylane: in the app |
| 18:50.37 | JeffM | Dontkillme: then you are in way over your head |
| 18:50.45 | JeffM | it won't even connect to current servers |
| 18:51.01 | blast007 | it was a pain just to get that flag demo working, much less the thing that displayed a map file |
| 18:51.14 | JeffM | Dontkillme: what do you want to do with it? |
| 18:51.24 | brlcad | the application is aware of the difference between being executed via the icon and via the command-line -- if you go unix, it expects you to provide it the usual unix goodness parameters (which conflicts with the icon method) |
| 18:51.40 | Dontkillme | JeffM: I want to test it |
| 18:51.44 | brlcad | so you have to set the datadir, but once you set it, it's set ;) |
| 18:51.50 | JeffM | Dontkillme: it is not in a state that is testable |
| 18:52.09 | JeffM | the authors of it are long gone |
| 18:52.20 | JeffM | the only thing we kept from it was some art |
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| 18:52.35 | JeffM | well not that long gone, they are still on my facebook page :) |
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| 18:52.43 | JeffM | hacking the hell outa sewing machines |
| 18:54.07 | brlcad | office-space-style? |
| 18:54.20 | JeffM | no, like mad scientist |
| 18:54.27 | JeffM | he replaced the motor |
| 18:54.37 | JeffM | with something that is now much more then a motor :) |
| 18:54.51 | brlcad | so like tim-the-toolman hacking |
| 18:54.55 | brlcad | *grunt* *grunt* |
| 18:55.07 | JeffM | not power, more of better controll |
| 18:55.12 | JeffM | it's hooked up to his variable power supply |
| 18:55.17 | JeffM | so he gets a lot of different speeds |
| 18:55.20 | brlcad | better control on a sewing machine? |
| 18:55.21 | JeffM | and smooth transitions |
| 18:55.27 | JeffM | aperaently :) |
| 18:55.41 | brlcad | you had a sewing machine that was out of control .. and that wasn't a good thing?? |
| 18:55.42 | JeffM | it's pluged into a friggin ocilliscope I think |
| 18:55.56 | JeffM | he should have gotten the CNC one |
| 18:57.36 | tobylane | ty, cya |
| 18:58.12 | CBG | Aw hell, I get that all the time. Sewing machines going nuts, stealing stuff, starting fires, always in trouble with the cops. Totally out of control. |
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| 19:16.07 | JeffM | CBG: it's because you weren't a caring parent ;) |
| 19:16.44 | CBG | Probably. I guess I should have fed them once in a while. |
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| 20:31.36 | brlcad | for anyone mesmerized by the mysterious conundrum that is the GNU Autotools, here's a great diagram: http://bzflag.bz/tmp/autotools.png |
| 20:34.18 | JeffM | at least it's mostlylinear |
| 20:34.28 | JeffM | tho just hitting F7 is way easier :) |
| 20:36.03 | brlcad | just "make" is the equivalent to that |
| 20:36.24 | JeffM | not from a clean tree :) |
| 20:37.08 | brlcad | the rest is like "find the studio solution file, open it, hit F7" |
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| 20:51.36 | JeffM | wonders how well the crap he wrote last night works with mono |
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| 21:32.16 | Gabe_G23 | brlcad: nice |
