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00:56.52blast007anyone that is having auth problems, log into the forum once
00:57.34blast007and pass that on to anyone that is having problems getting the + by their name in game ;)
00:57.53_piggy_Ah   so thats what it is   :)
00:57.58bradah.
00:58.16JeffMso it can upgrade the account records?
00:58.48Landon__It seems significantly faster now that I logged into the forums (authorization)
00:59.30blast007yeah
00:59.42JeffMprobably should MOTD that
00:59.44blast007some of the users probably haven't logged into the forum since the phpBB3 upgrade
00:59.49blast007I just did
00:59.50JeffMl
00:59.51Landon__Good call
00:59.53JeffMk
01:00.02JeffMtoo bad list server can't do the same upgrade
01:00.05blast007got rid of the IP change stuff and put that in there ;)
01:00.13blast007well, it probably *could* do it, but meh ...
01:00.36Landon__Its kinda hard to spot :P
01:00.54Landon__Well, most people that play often will have logged in by the time they see it
01:02.17blast007can't wait for someone to post on the forum about it so that I can say "surprise! you fixed it already!"
01:02.44Landon__hehe
01:04.10Landon__I'm betting you'll be getting alot of that here shortly
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01:11.53trepanfrom what i remember about setting up the hub server authorization, we should have made a slight modification to the password hashing algo
01:12.53trepana single md5 pass over the clear text before the keyed hashing was done would have allowed for md5'ed passwords over the wire
01:13.06trepanor something like that, don't remember exactly what i was thinking back then  ;)
01:29.53joevanoblast007: yeah, no spam here either
01:30.18joevanoi am amazed at how responsive the server is
01:31.15trepanya, convert $H$ hashes to $M$ hashes on the fly ($M$ hashes would have a md5 pass over the cleartext before going through the keyed $H$ hash), and check the incoming passwords for a 'MD5:' suffix
01:31.16blast007amazing what having a little free RAM does
01:32.12trepanblast007: and there's still quite a chunk of it tied-up
01:32.20blast007yup
01:32.25blast007about 800MB when I last checked
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01:32.42blast007so when those are gone ... ;)
01:34.14trepanabout the $M$ hashes, it would allow you to store MD5:... in the config file instead of plain text  (as well as using md5 over the wire)
01:34.47trepanwouldn't affect normal lobby passwords  (unless someone wanted to use MD5:... at the start of the password  ;)
01:35.15blast007something to think about
01:37.05trepanheh, now i remember why i was on that kick; didn't want to have to add password stripping to bzhubd's logging
01:38.46Erroneoushuh, new theme on the forums
01:38.48Erroneousapproves
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11:58.59teatreehas the forum got a new design or am i nuts?
12:04.26delusionalit's new
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12:35.02spldart... and your nuts? ;)
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14:00.16trepani can put the $M$ hash thing together if yall are interested, fairly small change
14:01.20trepanat least the younger brother won't be able to log into the forum using the MD5:... password, but he could still get validated on a bzflag server
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15:16.18blast007trepan: so it's really not that much better
15:16.45blast007iirc, 2.99.x code defaults to not saving the password at all
15:18.44trepanthere's really no way to make it "that much better" without PKE
15:20.11trepanbut protecting forum access for almost no cost isn't something i'd pass over
15:21.05trepani'd be interested to know how many do not enable saved passwords ...
15:23.49trepan./clientbase/defaultBZDB.cxx:99:   { "saveIdentity", "1", ...
15:25.04trepanhm, but password saves require >1, ok
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16:03.08tsblast007: Is an option to use the other forum theme planned? With the new theme I can hardly see the scroll bars.
16:03.51blast007no
16:04.00tssniff
16:04.29blast007can't imagine it's too hard to locate a scroll bar :P  not like it moves around
16:04.49blast007or are you referring to ones in textareas?
16:05.18blast007be less vague and maybe I'll agree
16:05.32tsNo, the outer scroll bars
16:05.55tsThey indicate vertical position of current view in total page
16:06.24tsThe scroll bars are dark grey and disappear once the view position doesn't change
16:06.30blast007eh
16:06.43blast007what browser are you using?
16:06.47tsWe're talking about icab mobile
16:07.38tsIt's a browser running on a phone.
16:08.57blast007okay, but I don't see what that has to do with our theme
16:09.25blast007is it blending in with the background of the page or something?
16:10.08tsyes, the scroll bars are displayed inside the page at the outer position..
16:10.22tsWhere the dark background of the new theme is
16:10.30blast007sounds like a bad browser design.
16:10.36blast007you should recommend they fix that.
16:11.01tsWell, there is hardly enough space on a small display..
16:11.18blast007is it a touch screen?
16:11.23tsyep
16:11.28blast007then why is there a scroll bar at all?
16:11.34blast007can't you just drag the content?
16:11.59tsThe scrollbars only show position
16:12.50blast007shrugs
16:13.35blast007not really a concern for me
16:13.51tsHrm, okay
16:13.57blast007feel free to suggest to the iCab devs that they allow changing the color of the scroll bar
16:14.03DontkillmeAre Plug-Ins able to send Close(); to the bzflag client?
16:14.18blast007Dontkillme: they can kick a player
16:16.42blast007ts: looks like they have a 'color scheme' setting - maybe that would change the color of the scrollbar too?
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16:18.22teatreehey - is it possible to smake shots unvisable on radar after hinten a pyramide f. .e.
16:18.31teatree*after hiting
16:18.37blast007no
16:18.43teatreek
16:19.18teatreei thought i remembered that at least the shots where less visable
16:19.50blast007not sure
16:20.08blast007maybe your graphics or GUI settings are different now than before
16:20.56BulletCatcherOn radar, shots are more transparent when they are at a different altitude from your tank (at least in the radar mode I use).
16:20.57blast007for me, they are less visible when above or below me
16:21.11Chestalteatree: are you using 'enhanced' for radar style?
16:21.17blast007probably depends on the graphics options too (such as 'blending'
16:21.18blast007)
16:21.51blast007the 'fast' radar should do it as well
16:23.17tsblast007: no, the scroll bars are part of the OS...
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16:45.56dexter-delusional: hey
16:46.02dexter-satu just got his sticker, and mine too
16:46.08dexter-thanks a lot!
16:46.16dexter-they're great
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18:12.15blast007ts: sounds like a silly OS then
18:12.37blast007I also didn't see any scrollbar in any of the iCab Mobile screenshots
18:15.06blast007so I can't really check what it looks like
18:41.46joevanoblends in a bit on my phone too, but it doesn't affect the browsing experience much
18:42.08joevanoi just zoom out if im concerned
18:42.34joevanoim running safari on my phone
18:45.17Dontkillme(Can I see the screenshots?)
18:45.56blast007Dontkillme: why would you want a screenshot of the forum?  ;)
18:47.01blast007oh, you mean of iCab Mobile?
18:47.06blast007just google iCab Mobile :P
18:47.13DontkillmeAh, thanks
18:47.14blast007I was looking at the ones on their site
18:47.33blast007when you get on their mobile page, they have a screenshots link at the top
18:47.41blast007the one of the side takes you to screenshots of the desktop version
18:54.02tsblast007: The scroll bars of safari and icab mobile are the same
18:54.27blast007k
18:54.40blast007so, silly OS
18:54.58tsOnce nothing moves they are invisible
18:55.07tsI wouldn't say so..
18:55.29blast007I can see the scrollbars in linux just fine ;)
18:55.51tslinux has no scroll bars ^^
18:57.00tsso...it's more like only the GUI part..
18:57.16blast007oh sorry, did I forget to use "Linux/GNU"?
18:57.50tsEven GNU/Linux has no GUI, as far as I know..it's seperate, isn't it?
18:58.07blast007whatever
18:58.30blast007point being, when I'm using linux, I don't have the problem you are having with your silly built-in hard-coded colored scrollbars ;)
18:59.24blast007is there a mobile firefox for the iPhone?
19:00.19tsnope
19:00.25blast007that sucks
19:00.35blast007cuz that one doesn't have a scrollbar at all ;)
19:00.57tsApple's policy sucks
19:01.46blast007should got an N900 ;)
19:02.59blast007shoulda*
19:04.25blast007running mobile firefox on my N800 right now - not overly fast, but it would probably be fine on the N900
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19:20.41blast007ts / joevano: part of the problem is the low resolution screen the iPhone has
19:21.17blast007320 x 480 compared to 800 x 480 on the device I'm using
19:21.25joevanowell that and the scroll bar is semi trasperant
19:21.39blast007well, right
19:21.57blast007but on my device, the scroll bar has dedicated space
19:22.02blast007there's enough pixesl for it :P
19:22.09Gabe_G23blast007: http://google.com/phone ?
19:22.24blast007or in the case of mobile firefox, there isn't a scrollbar
19:22.34blast007Gabe_G23: no.. I'm not on a phone
19:22.47blast007nor do I want an android based phone ;)
19:22.57Gabe_G23blast007: :O
19:23.05blast007N900 is what I would want
19:23.18blast007if I was rich..
19:24.18Gabe_G23blast007: what's wrong with Android?
19:24.24blast007java
19:24.28Gabe_G23meh
19:24.36blast007;)
19:25.06blast007and I probably can't run bzadmin on it
19:26.00Gabe_G23blast007: You can unlock it and get a terminal AFAIK
19:26.07blast007doesn't mean anything
19:26.16blast007that just means you can dig at stuff more
19:26.35blast007doesn't mean I can cross compile a C++ application to it as easily as I could with my N800 ;)
19:26.59Gabe_G23heh
19:27.07blast007does it have a mono implementation? cuz I can run C# apps on my N800 too :)
19:27.54Gabe_G23dunno, don't actually have one
19:28.00Gabe_G23only saw my friend with one
19:28.46blast007iPhone OS and Android are both going to have limitations like that - whereas on maemo (linux) there's a lot more freedom for software developers
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19:31.02blast007heck, I was even able to install a copy of the OS to both of the memory cards in the N800, and could then choose which one to boot from ;)
19:33.00Gabe_G23o.O
19:33.53Gabe_G23They were able to dual boot linux on the iPhone.. and then they stopped developing
19:34.10blast007I ran Android on the N800 too, but it wasn't very functional
19:34.24blast007didn't have a touchscreen driver made yet, so I couldn't do much
19:34.37blast007(the harware keyboard on the N810 would have been helpful)
19:35.03Gabe_G23yeah
19:35.38Gabe_G23same with iPhone, they had to send code from another device (in this instance, a phone) to run on the command line
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