| 00:11.07 | teatree | nite nite |
| 00:11.57 | Deepa | But... |
| 00:12.02 | Deepa | They have more awesome images! |
| 00:12.15 | Deepa | And... flying tanks = improved airforce |
| 00:15.56 | JeffM | not the way bzflag tanks fly |
| 00:16.09 | JeffM | gunship woudl take those things out in a hearbeat |
| 00:16.26 | JeffM | the airforce ones worked when the site was blue |
| 00:16.32 | JeffM | but it won't be blue anymore |
| 00:16.48 | JeffM | do you know what the new ones look like? |
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| 00:17.12 | JeffM | http://my.bzflag.org/bb/images/ranks/Pvt.png |
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| 00:56.28 | Deepa | I liked the blue site :( |
| 00:56.38 | JeffM | we are trying to match the main site more |
| 00:56.41 | JeffM | and it isn't blue |
| 00:57.36 | Deepa | See what I'm getting at :-)? |
| 00:57.44 | JeffM | yep |
| 00:58.06 | Deepa | Really? personally I have no idea |
| 00:58.27 | JeffM | you like the blue site, and you are insenuating that we could make the main site blue |
| 00:58.40 | Deepa | That sounds alot better than what I was thinking |
| 00:58.50 | JeffM | it's what you were thinking |
| 00:59.48 | JeffM | deletes a bunch of ranks |
| 01:00.39 | Deepa | :-( |
| 01:00.57 | JeffM | not many people have them |
| 01:00.59 | JeffM | if any at all |
| 01:01.30 | Deepa | I kinda miss playing BZFlag at school now |
| 01:02.25 | Deepa | and back then, we had a blue site! |
| 01:02.40 | JeffM | before it was blue, it was gray |
| 01:02.44 | JeffM | before that it was white |
| 01:03.06 | JeffM | have you looked at the new site? |
| 01:06.31 | Deepa | Yeah, just did |
| 01:07.53 | Deepa | And as part of my "time to learn C/C++" I'm gonna try and write a patch! |
| 01:08.05 | JeffM | umm ok |
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| 01:12.56 | CIA-75 | BZFlag: 03JeffM2501 * r20745 10/trunk/web/art/bb/rankbase.psd: Add GSOC overlay |
| 01:13.29 | JeffM | and there we go |
| 01:13.30 | CIA-75 | BZFlag: 03JeffM2501 * r20746 10/trunk/web/art/bb/ranks/ (43 files): |
| 01:13.30 | CIA-75 | BZFlag: Update ranks for new less blue bzbb layout. |
| 01:13.30 | CIA-75 | BZFlag: Change from airforce-style double stripes and stars to army-like stripes and bars. |
| 01:13.30 | CIA-75 | BZFlag: Removed and Consolodated some ranks since post count is no longer used. |
| 01:13.30 | CIA-75 | BZFlag: Added techincal,tactical, and admin overlays |
| 01:15.04 | JeffM | Deepa: the big reason is, the old blue site was just the first theme for phpbb that we found that didn't look crummy when we did the update, it wasn't really planned that well. This time we can make it match the main site the best we can. |
| 01:15.55 | Deepa | oh no, the blue site I talked about were our stats-website |
| 01:16.06 | Deepa | A small hack made to keep track of who was the weakest link |
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| 01:23.13 | Murielle | hi!!! is jit only a variation between two consecutive measurement of the lag ? |
| 01:23.38 | JeffM | not 2 consecutive pings, but yes that is the idea |
| 01:23.41 | JeffM | it is the change in lag |
| 01:24.22 | Murielle | if lag is small,but jitter is around 20ms...why would it be a problem ? |
| 01:24.44 | JeffM | the more your lag changes the harder it is for the game to predict where you are between updates |
| 01:25.06 | JeffM | so it may guess wrong if your updates don't come at a regular interval |
| 01:25.52 | Murielle | ok...becauqse the client interpolate the position and speed of the tank,right? |
| 01:25.59 | JeffM | yes |
| 01:26.13 | JeffM | it has to, you don't send out an update 100 times a second :) |
| 01:26.28 | Murielle | and it assumes a constant lag in its calculi? |
| 01:26.43 | JeffM | yes and no |
| 01:26.50 | JeffM | 2.0.x dosn't use the lag |
| 01:27.00 | JeffM | it assumes that when you get the packet the person is there |
| 01:27.25 | JeffM | so if you are jummping around in lag, then it'll make a tank look like it's jumping faster or slower then it should be |
| 01:27.38 | JeffM | 2.99.x tries to use the last lag |
| 01:27.42 | JeffM | and a synced clock |
| 01:27.59 | JeffM | in general jitter is bad, it means your conection is not constant |
| 01:28.24 | Murielle | i have jit when using wireless |
| 01:28.24 | JeffM | it usualy goes along with higher then normal packetlloss |
| 01:28.29 | JeffM | and THAT is teh bad thing |
| 01:28.34 | JeffM | yeah wireless is not great for games |
| 01:28.39 | JeffM | plug that sucker in |
| 01:28.50 | JeffM | wireless has higher then normal packetloss |
| 01:28.50 | Murielle | the box is ver far:( |
| 01:28.58 | JeffM | wires are very cheap :) |
| 01:29.19 | Murielle | should ask parent do holes in walls for me playing bz??:P |
| 01:29.21 | JeffM | one big problem with high jitter and low lag is that you could get packets that come in out of order |
| 01:29.23 | TheRedBaron | unless they are monster cables |
| 01:29.28 | JeffM | and that makes it REALY wacky |
| 01:30.30 | Murielle | ty for the info JeffM |
| 01:30.35 | JeffM | sure |
| 01:30.40 | *** part/#bzflag Murielle (n=murielle@unaffiliated/murielle) |
| 01:32.49 | JeffM | there we go, ranks all done. |
| 01:33.03 | blast007 | sometimes just changing the wifi channel can make it suck less |
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| 02:02.06 | JeffM | do we want to do special icons for "hot" topics? |
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| 02:04.35 | spldart | ranks were changed? |
| 02:04.40 | JeffM | yeah |
| 02:21.21 | mebigfatguy | enjoys that a thread he started in 2003 on bzbb is at the top of the list |
| 02:21.29 | CIA-75 | BZFlag: 03JeffM2501 * r20747 10/trunk/web/art/bb/ranks/ (6 files): missed a few old ranks |
| 02:22.38 | JeffM | blast007: the theme images are already set up on .bz so it's good to go |
| 02:23.41 | CIA-75 | BZFlag: 03JeffM2501 * r20748 10/trunk/web/art/bb/ (29 files): icons for new forums |
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| 03:49.27 | blast007 | JeffM: ok |
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| 04:54.19 | blast007 | okay, starting the upgrade of the forum |
| 04:54.27 | JeffM | whohoo |
| 04:54.50 | blast007 | the list server might be down for a bit while I shuffle stuff around, since it points directly to phpBB files ;) |
| 04:55.13 | JeffM | that'll make the server run faster then :) |
| 04:55.19 | blast007 | lol |
| 04:57.42 | JeffM | if only brlcad would be around |
| 04:58.58 | JeffM | brlcad: ping, we need to talk about what's running on the list server and maybe splitting some of it off to another machine (mine, i.e.) |
| 05:09.07 | JeffM | I wonder how much of an impact SportChick's IRC is |
| 05:09.14 | JeffM | it seems to be using lots of memories |
| 05:17.55 | JeffM | if anything I think we should get the fourms and list redirecting to fourms.bzflag.org and list.bzflag.org respectivly |
| 05:19.36 | SportChick | something you need from me, JeffM ? |
| 05:20.09 | trepan | SportChick: you run crayZ ircs... |
| 05:20.35 | JeffM | SportChick: not directly, we were just discussing the possible implications to performance that your IRC stuff has on the bzflag list server |
| 05:20.47 | JeffM | it is the top process in memory |
| 05:20.56 | blast007 | top 3, actually ;) |
| 05:20.56 | JeffM | and we are using 95% of the swap file |
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| 05:21.33 | JeffM | SportChick: part of me is wondering if bz would work better if we moved your IRC to my system |
| 05:21.36 | SportChick | hrm, one of those shouldn't be eating much memory at all |
| 05:21.38 | JeffM | it's in the same datacenter |
| 05:21.38 | SportChick | checks |
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| 05:21.49 | JeffM | SportChick: one is using just over a gig of memory |
| 05:21.58 | blast007 | that was total |
| 05:22.01 | JeffM | ahh ok |
| 05:22.18 | blast007 | and I'm not sure how 'res' vs 'size' goes |
| 05:22.25 | JeffM | still if performance of the list server is an issue, running extra processes is not a great thing for it I think |
| 05:22.26 | blast007 | the total 'res' was around 200MB |
| 05:22.46 | JeffM | and I have a machine that's not doing much, unless DTRemenak fires up never winter nights |
| 05:23.25 | JeffM | other options could be to split sql and apache on 2 machines |
| 05:23.31 | JeffM | and lock it down |
| 05:23.36 | JeffM | they are on the same local network |
| 05:23.41 | JeffM | or should be at least |
| 05:24.37 | blast007 | not even sure I can do the upgrade right now - I can barely type commands into SSH |
| 05:24.40 | JeffM | what'd be awesome would be if we coudl convince them to move my server to the rack unit below .bz and put crossover cable between em ( if they have 2 nics) |
| 05:28.44 | blast007 | well, I guess that explains a lot - .bz has packet loss bad right now |
| 05:29.00 | blast007 | explains the SSH lag, I mean |
| 05:30.12 | BulletCatcher | FWIW, I was just kicked from bzexcess.com for packet loss, but it does not seem to be a problem local to me. |
| 05:30.38 | blast007 | BulletCatcher: well, I'm getting loss to .bz from both my home connection and my server |
| 05:30.41 | JeffM | naw, I got 2 pings running one to my host and one to .bz |
| 05:30.50 | JeffM | .bz is craping out about half of em |
| 05:30.54 | JeffM | same ping |
| 05:30.55 | blast007 | yup |
| 05:30.57 | JeffM | 55 |
| 05:31.02 | JeffM | it has to be the machine |
| 05:31.17 | JeffM | sory 93-99 ms |
| 05:31.22 | JeffM | not 55, that was ttl |
| 05:32.05 | JeffM | this kinda crap will be the death of BZ before developer atrophy |
| 05:32.15 | blast007 | haha, after 2 minutes it finally gives me the list of screen window list |
| 05:32.32 | blast007 | gives me the screen windows list* |
| 05:32.50 | BulletCatcher | I get 0% packet loss to the the last router before .bz, so that confirms the location of its problem. |
| 05:33.04 | blast007 | :) |
| 05:33.38 | BulletCatcher | Maybe we should upgrade its modem from 2400 baud to 9600. :-) |
| 05:33.54 | blast007 | woo, lost my SSH |
| 05:34.05 | JeffM | maybe he should just read his logs ;) |
| 05:34.18 | JeffM | he must be rather busy of late |
| 05:36.11 | blast007 | this upgrade went a lot faster on my server :) |
| 05:36.27 | blast007 | and I haven't even gotten to the "making a backup" part yet |
| 05:36.33 | JeffM | so did printing the command prompt :) |
| 05:36.38 | blast007 | hehe |
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| 05:44.50 | JeffM | splitting it up would also make more people be "arround" if needed |
| 05:45.04 | JeffM | DTRemenak is a full root user of our server |
| 05:45.11 | JeffM | and even on the list of contacts for the ISP |
| 05:46.29 | DTRemenak | splitting what up? |
| 05:46.44 | blast007 | the bzflag services |
| 05:46.50 | DTRemenak | ah |
| 05:46.57 | JeffM | moving some stuff to our machine DTRemenak |
| 05:47.02 | JeffM | if it'll help |
| 05:47.11 | DTRemenak | not sure we could do that in a logical way |
| 05:47.20 | JeffM | like even taking over SportChick's IRC to free up some "omph" |
| 05:47.32 | DTRemenak | if someone came up with a good plan I'd be happy to help |
| 05:47.41 | JeffM | yeah I dunno what we could do |
| 05:47.52 | JeffM | we are on the same site, so we have phat bandwith between the machines |
| 05:48.37 | JeffM | and I know we arn't capped at 10m/s as we peaked to 40 during the STO torrent |
| 05:52.56 | BulletCatcher | Things like IRC that don't interact with other local services should be easy to move. |
| 05:53.02 | JeffM | yeah |
| 05:53.20 | JeffM | no matter what we should get the fourms pointed to there own domain |
| 05:53.24 | blast007 | the wiki isn't tied into the forum either |
| 05:53.29 | JeffM | yeah |
| 05:53.45 | JeffM | get em moved to whatever.bzflag.org then some of those are easy to move |
| 05:53.48 | JeffM | main website too |
| 05:53.57 | blast007 | yeah |
| 05:54.36 | JeffM | can apache be set to forward one.site.com/dir to two.site.com ? |
| 05:54.49 | BulletCatcher | Yes. |
| 05:54.51 | JeffM | and forward whatever paramaters for a get/post as well? |
| 05:55.30 | JeffM | so it'd do one.site.com/dir/?param to two.site.com/?param |
| 05:55.43 | BulletCatcher | It can send a permanent redirect response to any request, which the client would then repeat at the new location. |
| 05:55.50 | JeffM | ok |
| 05:55.54 | blast007 | okay, this is pointless. I'll do the upgrade another night when the server wants to respond. :) |
| 05:56.07 | JeffM | then it should not be too hard to get the main services to there own domains |
| 05:56.41 | JeffM | think it's the rsync blast007? |
| 05:56.47 | blast007 | no idea |
| 05:57.02 | JeffM | bet a netstat looks horrible |
| 05:57.04 | blast007 | I don't know how to check beyond 'top' |
| 05:59.29 | JeffM | reboot it :) |
| 05:59.47 | BulletCatcher | If the ifconfig command shows accumulated bytes transferred, then do it twice at a timed interval and compute the bandwidth used. |
| 05:59.47 | blast007 | heh |
| 06:00.04 | blast007 | BulletCatcher: well, that part isn't the problem |
| 06:00.15 | blast007 | something is beating the crap out of the server - some service |
| 06:00.24 | blast007 | either CPU, memory, or disk |
| 06:00.46 | blast007 | or a combination of those :P |
| 06:01.07 | JeffM | mysqld is using 35% of the CPU |
| 06:01.09 | blast007 | out of RAM, so using the swap partition heavily, whic makes the disk slow |
| 06:01.12 | blast007 | which* |
| 06:01.37 | JeffM | the system is at 84% total usage |
| 06:01.52 | JeffM | it does say it has 2 zombies |
| 06:02.21 | JeffM | and a crapton of www requests |
| 06:02.39 | blast007 | shuts down apache - Hey look, much faster! (kidding) |
| 06:02.42 | JeffM | I'm curious if it'd run faster if you took apache offline for a sec |
| 06:02.45 | JeffM | I'm not |
| 06:02.49 | blast007 | heh |
| 06:02.59 | blast007 | shrugs |
| 06:02.59 | JeffM | if it goes offline for 10 min while you do the upgrade, that's FINE |
| 06:03.01 | blast007 | worth a try |
| 06:03.03 | JeffM | yeah |
| 06:03.25 | JeffM | you see that critxfer shhd too? |
| 06:03.28 | JeffM | that seems odd |
| 06:03.38 | blast007 | just that bzflag stuff isn't the only thing that runs on the apache |
| 06:03.54 | JeffM | 10 min won't kill anyone :) |
| 06:04.11 | JeffM | and if it's a huge deal they call sean and he shows up here :) |
| 06:04.16 | JeffM | ether way we get what we need |
| 06:04.22 | BulletCatcher | The iostat command shows that disk I/O is less that 1 MB/sec, so that isn't the problem. |
| 06:04.27 | blast007 | JeffM: lol |
| 06:04.42 | JeffM | BulletCatcher: my gut says CPU |
| 06:04.53 | JeffM | it's down under 50% now |
| 06:05.03 | JeffM | ooh back up to 80 |
| 06:05.13 | BulletCatcher | The CPU load of 3 or so is not bad. |
| 06:05.17 | blast007 | lots of 'system' time, whatever that is |
| 06:06.17 | JeffM | SportChick's bigest process has 518 megs up |
| 06:06.53 | BulletCatcher | I think her irssi processes are a significant part of the problem. |
| 06:07.13 | BulletCatcher | There is no free RAM, so the system is paging a lot. |
| 06:07.28 | JeffM | SportChick: you'd probably be best served by getting your own vps just for your IRC |
| 06:08.56 | JeffM | I'll gladly host her if she won't kill my machine too |
| 06:08.56 | BulletCatcher | I take that back about the RAM. The vmstat program shows that memory is busy, but not overloaded. |
| 06:09.09 | JeffM | is it still paging a lot? |
| 06:09.20 | BulletCatcher | Yes, lots of paging. |
| 06:09.27 | JeffM | and that ain't fast |
| 06:09.40 | blast007 | I just don't like to see *any* of the page file being needed |
| 06:09.56 | JeffM | yeah its' always best to run them fully in ram |
| 06:10.03 | JeffM | that's why we upgraded to 2 gigs |
| 06:10.15 | JeffM | DTRemenak had us close to 100% ram |
| 06:10.28 | blast007 | :) |
| 06:10.41 | BulletCatcher | Okay, a couple of minutes of running "vmstat 5" shows occasional spikes of memory shortage. |
| 06:10.47 | JeffM | it was only 75$ to upgrade |
| 06:11.31 | JeffM | would there be benifit in asking SportChick if she could kill em all for a bit for us to see if that's the issue? |
| 06:11.57 | BulletCatcher | If that would be easy for her, then it would be a nice test. |
| 06:12.47 | BulletCatcher | bets it isn't easy enough |
| 06:12.54 | JeffM | if we just say her name more often she'll read one of the thousands of blinking windows |
| 06:13.07 | blast007 | if we say what? SportChick ? |
| 06:13.08 | blast007 | ;) |
| 06:13.28 | JeffM | say it 3 times in a mirror at night and you summon her to kline trollz |
| 06:13.48 | JeffM | oh I bet she's mobile |
| 06:14.21 | BulletCatcher | Beetlejuice! Beetlejuice! Beetlejuice! |
| 06:14.23 | JeffM | BulletCatcher: did it tell you how much ram is in the machine? |
| 06:14.31 | JeffM | cus I think it's only got a gig |
| 06:14.34 | blast007 | yeah |
| 06:14.35 | blast007 | it is |
| 06:14.45 | JeffM | odd that he didn't upgrade that oo |
| 06:15.03 | BulletCatcher | Yeah, it looks like 1 GB. |
| 06:15.23 | JeffM | BulletCatcher: we moved to the new server right? |
| 06:15.43 | BulletCatcher | I am looking on bz.bzflag.bz |
| 06:16.10 | JeffM | yeah but there was a time when we moved from the old .bz to the new .bz |
| 06:16.13 | JeffM | I thought |
| 06:16.17 | JeffM | the IP changed |
| 06:16.23 | JeffM | and I thought you posted in the fourms about it or something |
| 06:16.37 | JeffM | it took a bit for the game servers to resync ect... |
| 06:16.39 | BulletCatcher | I think they just physically moved the same hardware a few months ago. |
| 06:16.54 | JeffM | if there was an IP change, then it's the new machine |
| 06:17.00 | JeffM | he had them both running for like a year |
| 06:18.36 | JeffM | ponders building a small server and just driving it out to SportChick's house so she can IRC from home :) |
| 06:19.02 | BulletCatcher | She'd need bandwidth, too. |
| 06:19.19 | blast007 | BulletCatcher: it's just IRC :P |
| 06:19.22 | JeffM | it's all instream, a decent home DSL should be fine |
| 06:19.27 | JeffM | it's not outbound |
| 06:19.46 | JeffM | and she plays WoW so we know she ain't on no dialup |
| 06:19.53 | BulletCatcher | But she types like an infinite number of monkeys. :-) |
| 06:20.02 | JeffM | on her phone |
| 06:21.03 | JeffM | tho there are some cheap VPS services that could work |
| 06:25.04 | blast007 | heh, well one of her clients is doing something now |
| 06:25.09 | blast007 | using more CPU than mysql |
| 06:25.20 | blast007 | 20% ;) |
| 06:25.21 | JeffM | well mysql dropped off |
| 06:25.42 | JeffM | ssh may be better now |
| 06:25.46 | blast007 | yeah, it is |
| 06:26.05 | JeffM | bet it was doing a backup of mysql over rsync |
| 06:26.20 | blast007 | heh |
| 06:26.21 | JeffM | and it's just so far outa ram that it takes forever |
| 06:28.49 | JeffM | hopefully msql is now freaking out beceause blast007 poke it |
| 06:29.03 | blast007 | nope, I didn't touch it |
| 06:29.08 | JeffM | damnit |
| 06:29.29 | blast007 | wonder what all it's doing |
| 06:29.41 | blast007 | bet it's calculating Pi again |
| 06:29.54 | trepan | any of youz have root on that machine? |
| 06:30.11 | JeffM | does not, that he knows of |
| 06:30.14 | blast007 | I think I do |
| 06:30.23 | blast007 | but I'm scared of it :P |
| 06:30.29 | JeffM | be a man :) |
| 06:30.33 | BulletCatcher | I have sudo privs. |
| 06:30.40 | trepan | kill -s STOP <pid> might suffice to get her attention |
| 06:30.43 | JeffM | nut up and reboot it |
| 06:31.05 | JeffM | if she gets pissed I'll go drive out and buy her sushi |
| 06:31.27 | blast007 | really want me to reboot it? |
| 06:32.05 | blast007 | probably won't solve anything except for not having any irssi instances anymore :P |
| 06:32.19 | JeffM | tho not tomorow cus tomorow I get doped up by a surgon |
| 06:32.22 | BulletCatcher | We should kill things before rebooting. |
| 06:32.31 | JeffM | yeah kill IRC before reboot for sure |
| 06:34.48 | JeffM | hopes the upgrade helps, the spam is getting worse |
| 06:38.13 | JeffM | yeah it's probably not great that top shows the "free ram" bouncing between 25 megs and 900k |
| 06:38.15 | blast007 | actually the spam is great right *now* ;) |
| 06:38.20 | JeffM | true |
| 06:38.33 | blast007 | but yeah, when the forum isn't disabled :) |
| 06:39.04 | BulletCatcher | As an easy experiment, I am going to lower the priority of the rsync process using "renice". |
| 06:39.11 | JeffM | k |
| 06:39.32 | JeffM | do you get to sternly shake your finger at it? |
| 06:40.57 | JeffM | well that's enough bugs reported in STO for one night |
| 06:41.10 | BulletCatcher | Done. Can't say that it made a difference. |
| 06:41.50 | blast007 | bet it's just all the paging |
| 06:42.04 | BulletCatcher | I think so too. |
| 06:42.28 | JeffM | yeah, really need to get some of those IRC threads down before we can know |
| 06:42.48 | BulletCatcher | I have returned the rsync priority to normal. |
| 06:42.49 | JeffM | does it keep all the logs in ram? |
| 06:43.11 | blast007 | well, I'm gonna beat the crap out of the server now for a bit anyway ;) |
| 06:43.29 | blast007 | gonna copy all of the uploads over into my new phpbb directory |
| 06:43.42 | JeffM | bet that won't be too bad |
| 06:43.56 | JeffM | that's just a disk op, not much ram needed |
| 06:44.15 | JeffM | unless the page swaps make it seek like mad |
| 06:44.45 | blast007 | wonder if the hard drive is in PIO mode |
| 06:44.57 | blast007 | versus DMA |
| 06:47.17 | BulletCatcher | iostat still shows disk I/O less than 2 MB/sec, so I don't think that is a problem by itself. |
| 06:47.47 | blast007 | doesn't mean it's not seeking like crazy |
| 06:50.16 | BulletCatcher | You may be right about that. iostat also shows some very high (nearly 2 seconds) seek times. |
| 06:50.45 | JeffM | every big op is probably inturupted by a seek back to the pagefile |
| 06:50.53 | blast007 | heh |
| 06:51.45 | Constitution | we're gonna hit the ceiling on swap too :) |
| 06:51.47 | blast007 | swap is in it's own partition, so definately out of the way compared to the rest of the data |
| 06:53.07 | JeffM | it really should have 2 gigs of ram and another CPU if it's meant to do all this stuff |
| 06:53.36 | blast007 | hell, in the current state, we'd be pushing close to 2GB of usage |
| 06:53.53 | BulletCatcher | SportChick's giant irssi processes should be the first to go, but I do not feel empowered to kill them. |
| 06:54.02 | blast007 | yeah, don't |
| 06:54.07 | blast007 | she's working on stuff |
| 06:54.12 | JeffM | she's using them now I think |
| 06:54.31 | JeffM | but yeah it'd be nice to at least pair them down ( maybe close a couple hundred windows or so ;)) |
| 06:54.32 | BulletCatcher | I just got an away message in response to my highlight. |
| 06:54.43 | JeffM | great..... |
| 06:56.11 | blast007 | hehe, still copying |
| 06:56.17 | blast007 | 10 minutes so far |
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| 07:09.55 | blast007 | hehe, and now I think some logs are compressing with bzip2 |
| 07:13.47 | JeffM | at least you are able to dump the db now |
| 07:15.50 | JeffM | yay, I get my tax refund in 2 weeks :) |
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| 07:17.44 | blast007 | okay, let's see if this upgrade works ;) |
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| 07:23.44 | blast007 | (list is broke right now - trying to fix it) |
| 07:24.06 | JeffM | some files change location? |
| 07:24.13 | blast007 | had a copy of one I guess |
| 07:24.14 | a_meteorite | blast007 broke it! bad blast007!!! |
| 07:24.21 | JeffM | good |
| 07:24.26 | JeffM | that'll take some load off |
| 07:24.39 | blast007 | what will? |
| 07:24.51 | blast007 | I mean I had a copy of some phpBB file |
| 07:24.53 | JeffM | list server not being able to do sql requests |
| 07:24.56 | JeffM | ;) |
| 07:25.00 | blast007 | oh, it's still doing it |
| 07:25.06 | blast007 | it just has a bunch of errors at the start |
| 07:25.09 | JeffM | ahh |
| 07:25.26 | JeffM | I still think turing the authenticator into a app and just having php call that'd be good |
| 07:25.38 | JeffM | then we wouldn't have to load all that mysql php |
| 07:25.51 | blast007 | and you'd have one persistent connection |
| 07:25.56 | blast007 | to the database |
| 07:26.01 | JeffM | depends how you wrote it but yes you could |
| 07:27.52 | JeffM | it's password verification can't be THAT complex can it? |
| 07:28.04 | blast007 | it's all the UTF-8 crap |
| 07:28.22 | blast007 | there's like 3MB of PHP files to handle that :P |
| 07:28.44 | JeffM | probably could be done better as an app then |
| 07:29.18 | JeffM | do we even allow UTF8 usernames and passwords? |
| 07:29.27 | JeffM | cus the game dosn't |
| 07:29.55 | blast007 | no |
| 07:30.10 | blast007 | password doesn't matter cuz it's a hash anyway |
| 07:31.36 | JeffM | auth from the game sends the password, we'd still have to make the hash |
| 07:31.49 | JeffM | so the hash function could potentialy have to support it |
| 07:38.43 | trepan | hash function probably supports any raw data |
| 07:38.51 | trepan | wouldn't have to be unicode aware |
| 07:40.13 | JeffM | probably not |
| 07:40.35 | JeffM | the only thing I can't think of would be a unicode username in order to make it a case insensitive compare |
| 07:55.56 | JeffM | wish we could at least kill one of SportChick's things |
| 07:56.00 | JeffM | then we'd at least know |
| 08:02.38 | trepan | can't sudo, or i'd at least put the big one to sleep for ya ;) |
| 08:03.07 | JeffM | how's the upgrade going? |
| 08:03.14 | blast007 | not sure |
| 08:03.15 | JeffM | if its' going to take a lot longer we have to do it |
| 08:03.25 | blast007 | haha |
| 08:03.32 | blast007 | and right after I say that it finishes |
| 08:03.33 | JeffM | I mean kill one |
| 08:03.37 | JeffM | heh |
| 08:03.44 | blast007 | it didn't show any progress |
| 08:03.58 | blast007 | and then all of a sudden it shows all of the progress 'dots' :P |
| 08:04.04 | JeffM | fun |
| 08:04.21 | blast007 | gotta copy over the old template quick |
| 08:04.28 | JeffM | yeah it's still the default |
| 08:04.54 | a_meteorite | the bb is broke I assume |
| 08:05.00 | a_meteorite | yup.. |
| 08:05.00 | blast007 | a_meteorite: yes .. |
| 08:05.06 | JeffM | not broke |
| 08:05.09 | a_meteorite | took forever to load (as usual) |
| 08:05.09 | JeffM | being upgraded |
| 08:05.14 | a_meteorite | ah |
| 08:05.26 | a_meteorite | so much for a painless upgrade |
| 08:05.32 | blast007 | it would have been |
| 08:05.34 | JeffM | it was a painless upgrade |
| 08:05.46 | blast007 | yeah, the upgrade part itself was |
| 08:05.49 | JeffM | for a system wth 1.7 megs of free ram |
| 08:05.49 | a_meteorite | heh |
| 08:06.24 | JeffM | when I get back tomorow I'm going to keep hounding brlcad and SportChick to see what we can do about finding out if that's the main problem tho |
| 08:06.45 | JeffM | cus it's just not right that something like an IRC client can kill the entire machine |
| 08:07.19 | blast007 | I killed my server with a bad 'dd' once :P it loaded 1GB of data into memory |
| 08:07.22 | blast007 | and I have 1GB of RAM |
| 08:07.25 | blast007 | *that* was fun |
| 08:07.37 | a_meteorite | at least it didn't load 1GB onto your HD |
| 08:07.48 | JeffM | why? a gig on a disk is nothing |
| 08:07.58 | blast007 | a_meteorite: that's what I was intending to do .. |
| 08:08.09 | a_meteorite | the problem would be more like dd wiping the MBR and corrupting the filesystem |
| 08:08.09 | blast007 | I was creating a 1GB file so I could test bandwidth :P |
| 08:08.19 | blast007 | I was outputting to a file, not a device |
| 08:08.22 | a_meteorite | ah |
| 08:08.27 | blast007 | but I did it in a single block |
| 08:08.35 | a_meteorite | lol... |
| 08:08.43 | blast007 | so I was copying a lot of zeros to my RAM |
| 08:08.47 | a_meteorite | bs=1M to solve that, eh? |
| 08:09.03 | blast007 | nah, I just vowed to never touch dd again ;) |
| 08:09.09 | a_meteorite | heh |
| 08:11.14 | blast007 | gah, it shouldn't take this long to type the commands to copy a single directory :P |
| 08:13.06 | JeffM | its' done I think |
| 08:13.13 | JeffM | it wants you to remove the install dir |
| 08:13.26 | blast007 | k, that'll be done shortly |
| 08:13.32 | blast007 | and by shortly I mean within the hour |
| 08:13.34 | blast007 | ;) |
| 08:13.34 | JeffM | I'll go change the theme |
| 08:13.37 | JeffM | if I can |
| 08:13.56 | blast007 | admin panel will work |
| 08:14.03 | JeffM | if it'll load |
| 08:14.08 | JeffM | screw it, kill one |
| 08:14.12 | JeffM | I'll take the heat |
| 08:14.16 | blast007 | ok |
| 08:14.21 | JeffM | lets just SEE if it does anything |
| 08:14.28 | JeffM | this is friggin ridiculous |
| 08:15.14 | blast007 | which one should I go for? most usage? |
| 08:15.29 | JeffM | can you tell the one that hasn't been used in the longest time? |
| 08:15.38 | JeffM | I'd like to screw her up the least if we could |
| 08:15.40 | blast007 | doesn't work that way, no |
| 08:15.46 | JeffM | try the smallest then |
| 08:15.49 | blast007 | ok |
| 08:15.50 | JeffM | see if that does something |
| 08:16.28 | JeffM | I mean I can't realy blame her, she's just using what brlcad set up for her, it's just gotten a lot bigger then I think he origonaly intended. |
| 08:16.30 | blast007 | waiting for it to type out 'top' |
| 08:16.40 | JeffM | I have it up, want a PID? |
| 08:16.49 | JeffM | kill 85592 |
| 08:17.03 | JeffM | that's 250 megs |
| 08:17.27 | a_meteorite | 250MB for an irc client? |
| 08:17.31 | a_meteorite | that'd be an IRC client I wouldn't keep! |
| 08:17.32 | JeffM | that's a small one |
| 08:17.43 | blast007 | a_meteorite: total was around 1058MB across three of her clients |
| 08:17.48 | a_meteorite | :o |
| 08:17.56 | JeffM | by our counts 84% of the swap is full of IRC clients |
| 08:18.11 | cygal | small memory leak :) |
| 08:18.11 | a_meteorite | looks like those devs need to check out their memory leaks, hah |
| 08:18.16 | JeffM | cygal: nope |
| 08:18.23 | JeffM | that's just USAGE |
| 08:18.49 | blast007 | JeffM: that one has the most overall CPU usage |
| 08:18.56 | JeffM | good |
| 08:18.58 | blast007 | 61827 has the last CPU time overall |
| 08:19.03 | JeffM | ok |
| 08:19.06 | JeffM | well one of em |
| 08:19.09 | JeffM | lets jsut see what it does |
| 08:19.30 | a_meteorite | waits for SportChick to have her connection dropped |
| 08:19.34 | blast007 | I'll go for the one we originally said |
| 08:19.38 | JeffM | k |
| 08:19.46 | trepan | 50068? |
| 08:19.57 | JeffM | that's the biggest one |
| 08:20.08 | JeffM | whoot, 79% free swap |
| 08:20.14 | JeffM | 125 megs of free ram |
| 08:20.15 | blast007 | hehe |
| 08:20.25 | blast007 | and no, 79% swap usage |
| 08:20.28 | blast007 | down from 94 |
| 08:20.35 | JeffM | sorry that's what I meant |
| 08:20.35 | a_meteorite | wow |
| 08:20.49 | JeffM | well it ain't peppy but at least pages are loading |
| 08:21.29 | JeffM | waiting on the install delete then we can go active |
| 08:21.39 | blast007 | working on it |
| 08:21.44 | JeffM | no you arn't |
| 08:21.48 | JeffM | you are waiting on it ;) |
| 08:22.00 | JeffM | the computer is trying REALY hard to work on it |
| 08:22.19 | blast007 | there |
| 08:23.17 | JeffM | waiting for acp to load :( |
| 08:23.26 | JeffM | there we go |
| 08:24.17 | JeffM | I bet that swap is fragged all to hell |
| 08:24.26 | JeffM | I reboot would not hurt it |
| 08:25.18 | JeffM | tho unfortontaly QR needs to be set on all the forum perms |
| 08:25.21 | JeffM | but that can wait till tomorow |
| 08:26.03 | Landon__ | shnazzy logo |
| 08:27.02 | JeffM | I do think killing one of the IRC clients did help it speed up |
| 08:27.09 | JeffM | all my pages timed out before that |
| 08:27.20 | blast007 | definately |
| 08:27.31 | a_meteorite | it's slow, but way more peppy now |
| 08:27.33 | blast007 | my letters typed out a lot faster :P |
| 08:27.49 | JeffM | well at least we have a possible culprit then |
| 08:28.11 | JeffM | I think it bears more investigations... tomorow |
| 08:28.38 | JeffM | I'd also be interersted in seeing what her IRC clients are when they first start |
| 08:28.45 | trepan | looks good |
| 08:28.52 | JeffM | if they are a lot less, perhaps they can be made to reboot every day orsomething |
| 08:28.58 | JeffM | or log to a file and keep less in memory |
| 08:29.14 | blast007 | /set scrollback_lines 5 |
| 08:29.16 | blast007 | ;) |
| 08:29.50 | JeffM | I can understand her needing a lot of logs/channels being a staffer |
| 08:29.57 | blast007 | yeah |
| 08:30.45 | JeffM | but not if it's going to kill the game |
| 08:30.58 | JeffM | and if he dosn't want to move her, we can move the site |
| 08:31.32 | blast007 | and then we just have to wait for Tim to update the DNS ;) |
| 08:31.55 | JeffM | does he still host it? |
| 08:32.00 | JeffM | I thought we moved it |
| 08:32.10 | blast007 | maybe |
| 08:32.21 | JeffM | hell Ill pay for no-ip.com for it if he'll give it up |
| 08:32.29 | JeffM | and give him the login to add whatever the hell he wants |
| 08:32.34 | blast007 | first NS record is ns1.rikers.org |
| 08:32.37 | JeffM | then at least we can edit the bloddy thing |
| 08:33.05 | JeffM | he probably still hasn't removed the .org user addresses and turned them into .net |
| 08:33.19 | blast007 | ~dns bzexcess.bzflag.org |
| 08:33.23 | blast007 | nope |
| 08:34.10 | JeffM | le-sigh |
| 08:35.46 | JeffM | between us I'm sure we could come up with some dns servers as well :) |
| 08:35.55 | blast007 | I think auth is actually a bit faster now ;) |
| 08:36.22 | JeffM | they clean up some php maybe? |
| 08:36.42 | blast007 | no, I mean cuz there's more RAM free |
| 08:36.49 | blast007 | to load all of that PHP ;) |
| 08:37.01 | JeffM | heh |
| 08:37.05 | blast007 | doubt they changed that part much |
| 08:37.25 | blast007 | and I bet that's only necessary because they support multiple database systems |
| 08:37.38 | JeffM | not sure I like the bell for announcements :/ |
| 08:38.57 | Landon__ | I thought that was temporary, is there a tank theme available? |
| 08:40.48 | JeffM | huh? |
| 08:40.52 | JeffM | tank theme? |
| 08:41.33 | Landon__ | For the icons |
| 08:41.57 | JeffM | I used the tank icons for the fourm ones |
| 08:42.01 | Landon__ | It seems like there were, maybe its just on the index |
| 08:42.09 | JeffM | there were too many variants of a "post" to just use tanks |
| 08:42.16 | Landon__ | I see |
| 08:42.30 | JeffM | and I didn't want it to get too confusing where a tank was a forum and a post |
| 08:42.57 | JeffM | the bell is all my fault, I picked it :) |
| 08:43.03 | JeffM | maybe a bullhorn |
| 08:44.38 | JeffM | makes sleep |
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| 11:51.45 | brad | quite a few images missing on the forum... |
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| 16:19.02 | blast007 | brad: where? |
| 16:19.07 | blast007 | and have you tried clearing your cache? |
| 16:20.13 | brad | http://my.bzflag.org/bb/images/ranks/Pvt1.png |
| 16:20.34 | brad | http://my.bzflag.org/bb/images/smilies/icon_turtle.gif |
| 16:20.38 | brad | http://my.bzflag.org/bb/images/smilies/icon_idea1.gif |
| 16:20.40 | brad | etc. |
| 16:20.43 | brad | and yes, I have |
| 16:20.55 | blast007 | where did you see that rank image? |
| 16:21.09 | brad | in the forum under just about every name |
| 16:21.39 | brad | it's the Private First Class image |
| 16:22.18 | blast007 | bet I didn't copy something over then |
| 16:22.52 | brad | half the smileys are missing too |
| 16:22.57 | blast007 | yeah, I'll fix that |
| 16:23.00 | brad | :) thx |
| 16:26.56 | blast007 | ranks should be there now, unless I need to tweak permissions first |
| 16:27.30 | brad | all good |
| 16:29.39 | blast007 | smilies should be fine now too |
| 16:30.09 | brad | yep all there now, thx |
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| 17:05.57 | BulletCatcher | The forum seems to be working well, and page load times are almost snappy. |
| 17:05.59 | BulletCatcher | ~blast007++ |
| 17:07.30 | Dontkillme | Yeah, and the forum looks very cool |
| 17:07.35 | Dontkillme | ~blast007++ |
| 17:08.40 | blast007 | and I didn't even clear out the bans yet ;) |
| 17:08.51 | blast007 | might be faster once there isn't 1400 bans to process ever page load |
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| 17:14.56 | joevano | anyone else having problems with the "View active topics" link returning no results? |
| 17:15.55 | Dontkillme | Yeah, me |
| 17:16.05 | Dontkillme | It says "No suitable matches were found." |
| 17:16.16 | joevano | ok... just found the "fix"... working on it |
| 17:17.08 | Manu | blast007: more bans than players ;) |
| 17:17.41 | blast007 | hehe |
| 17:18.43 | blast007 | joevano: while you're in there, if you get bored, turn on the quick reply for each forum too ;) |
| 17:18.48 | blast007 | since I think it's in the same spot |
| 17:19.27 | joevano | i'm on it :) |
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| 17:28.10 | JeffM | yay , stitches again :\ |
| 17:28.35 | joevano | horrible helicopter accident? |
| 17:28.54 | JeffM | tooth removal for an implant |
| 17:29.07 | JeffM | now has parts from another human in him |
| 17:29.08 | joevano | ouch |
| 17:29.24 | JeffM | dosn't hurt |
| 17:29.27 | JeffM | yet |
| 17:30.06 | JeffM | anyone ever use one of those cloud based VPS services? |
| 17:30.18 | JeffM | wonder how they'd work for something like auth/bzfs |
| 17:30.20 | JeffM | sorry bzbb |
| 17:30.38 | joevano | been tempted, but haven't done it yet... looking at ec2? |
| 17:30.52 | JeffM | I saw the site vps.net |
| 17:30.59 | joevano | yeah, I had the same thought |
| 17:31.03 | JeffM | they do a lot of dynamic node config |
| 17:31.09 | JeffM | and it's very cheap |
| 17:31.20 | blast007 | has amazon EC2 firewalled from his server |
| 17:31.21 | JeffM | I don't think our web services alone use boatloads of ram |
| 17:31.38 | blast007 | someone was using EC2 to evade bans ;) |
| 17:31.48 | JeffM | and it would not be horrible to throw some more cores at it |
| 17:32.04 | JeffM | http://www.vps.net/ |
| 17:32.41 | blast007 | and you might be surprised how much RAM phpBB3 uses |
| 17:37.36 | JeffM | sure, but I don't think it uses a lot at once and keeps it |
| 17:37.39 | JeffM | it's lots of little hits |
| 17:37.41 | JeffM | and that's fine |
| 17:38.07 | JeffM | they allocate like 256megs per node |
| 17:38.26 | JeffM | for the price it wouldn't hurt to set one up for a month and test some stuff on it |
| 17:38.54 | JeffM | you can do daily alocations of nodes for a buck a node/day so it'd be possible to spend 5$ and test performce with more nodes |
| 17:39.20 | JeffM | if it dosn't work out you cancel after a month and are out 25$ :) |
| 17:39.30 | JeffM | then at least you know more then you did before |
| 17:39.55 | JeffM | has brlcad been around at all? |
| 17:40.07 | JeffM | like to see what he thinks about moving the wiki |
| 17:40.44 | JeffM | even if the wiki isn't slowing down the list server, it'd be nice for to have a slow list server not affect the wiki ;) |
| 17:40.48 | JeffM | same for the main site |
| 17:40.48 | joevano | where to? i haven't read back |
| 17:41.02 | JeffM | joevano: I have a server in the same facility |
| 17:41.09 | joevano | ah, cool |
| 17:41.24 | JeffM | joevano: ahh then you didn't see the fun of last night |
| 17:41.37 | JeffM | 96% swap utilisation :) |
| 17:42.18 | joevano | no.. i was avoiding it this morning... was trying to solve so hydraulics issues with my daughters science project last night |
| 17:42.26 | JeffM | heh |
| 17:42.45 | JeffM | we may have found out what one of the big slowdown things on the server is |
| 17:42.55 | JeffM | it's outa ram and hitting swap |
| 17:43.06 | joevano | that will do it |
| 17:43.13 | JeffM | there are/were 4 large processes that were eating up 84% of the swap |
| 17:43.40 | JeffM | we eventualy killed one to get the upgrade done last night and it did help it move along |
| 17:43.56 | JeffM | so there is a high likelyhood that they are part of the problem |
| 17:44.38 | joevano | well that looks like some solid leads into the performace issues |
| 17:44.46 | JeffM | we are down to 77% swap use now |
| 17:45.10 | JeffM | I think we need to get those processes off the machine, or get our stuff off the machine |
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| 17:45.26 | JeffM | top was reporting free ram as low as 200k |
| 17:45.30 | joevano | knowing the exact issues definatelly makes it easier to solve :) |
| 17:45.47 | JeffM | well there may be other issues, but this seems to be the major one |
| 17:46.03 | JeffM | BulletCatcher was showing seek times of up to 2 seconds on the drive |
| 17:46.12 | JeffM | I think because it's constantly having to go back to swap |
| 17:46.51 | joevano | i would agree that sounds reasonable |
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| 17:48.02 | JeffM | so when I see brlcad I'll ask him what he wants to do, we have some options |
| 17:48.27 | JeffM | I'd like to get the major services at least pointed to their own domains, like wiki.bzflag.org |
| 17:49.10 | joevano | that is where i tried to put it, but Tim was opposed for some reason |
| 17:49.29 | JeffM | because he thinks that the internet still runs IE4 |
| 17:50.27 | JeffM | when I asked he had some issue with it because "you can't have one cookie for all sites if the subdomain is different" |
| 17:50.57 | JeffM | not that we are even CLOSE to a unified login system |
| 17:51.08 | JeffM | if we were it'd not be that bad to keep multiple cookies |
| 17:51.18 | JeffM | even tho domain cookies work fine |
| 17:51.21 | joevano | ah, yeah i was just a bzadmin noob at the time so I just put my head down and said "ok" |
| 17:51.24 | JeffM | I Mean hello... ebay? |
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| 18:00.30 | BulletCatcher | An "iostat -o -w 5" command on bz shows occasional seek times of up to 1/2 second right now (the msps column). That is much better than last night, but clearly leaves much room for improvment. |
| 18:03.41 | BulletCatcher | If SportChick would restart those other two irssi processes it would free up almost all of the swap space, and that should make the system much more efficient. |
| 18:06.00 | joevano | ok, 'quick reply' and 'display active topics' is turned on for all forums (I think) |
| 18:06.19 | joevano | let me know if you notice differently |
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| 19:16.31 | JeffM | are the new ranks ok with everyone? |
| 19:21.09 | Think_Differentl | woah, the forums look very different |
| 19:24.50 | Think_Differentl | the new version of phpBB is pretty cool |
| 19:33.39 | mrapplecomputer1 | I havent checked the ranks yet, but the forum looks great JeffM! |
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| 19:36.00 | mrapplecomputer1 | Yah the ranks look fine, but I liked it when each dev had a seperate rank |
| 19:36.02 | temporalD | yea agreed - very good job everyone who worked on it |
| 19:51.40 | JeffM | mrapplecomputer1: each dev never had a separate rank |
| 19:56.16 | mrapplecomputer1 | Well for example L4m3r had Hater of Everything |
| 19:56.21 | mrapplecomputer1 | and you were a rogue scientist |
| 19:56.31 | JeffM | those were not dev ones |
| 19:56.34 | mrapplecomputer1 | oh |
| 19:56.35 | JeffM | those were admin ones |
| 19:56.38 | mrapplecomputer1 | well i meant admin ones |
| 19:56.43 | mrapplecomputer1 | anyways... nice upgrade |
| 19:57.14 | JeffM | umm he still has that rank |
| 19:59.31 | spldart | So is there a general template you followed to assign the mil-spec style ranks? Dev's get one, admin's another etc? |
| 19:59.38 | JeffM | joevano: we want to not only enable QR in all forms but make it default to on. blast007 did that on his site. |
| 19:59.46 | JeffM | spldart: my gut ;) |
| 19:59.56 | JeffM | played it by ear |
| 20:00.21 | spldart | IC. |
| 20:00.35 | JeffM | in general the longer/more you've done the higher you are |
| 20:00.55 | JeffM | what'd you end up with? |
| 20:01.08 | spldart | lemme check. |
| 20:03.00 | spldart | private first class. hehe |
| 20:03.16 | JeffM | well that's not right |
| 20:03.24 | BulletCatcher | I was going suggest that we bust spldart back down to private, but nvm. :-) |
| 20:03.46 | JeffM | I should make one for "motor pool" |
| 20:04.09 | BulletCatcher | lol |
| 20:04.17 | spldart | hehe |
| 20:04.33 | spldart | I figured it was cuz my r/w had sucked me away from bzflag so much lately ;) |
| 20:05.06 | JeffM | naw, we just have to set them manualy |
| 20:05.39 | JeffM | gives BulletCatcher one too |
| 20:05.49 | BulletCatcher | woo hoo! |
| 20:06.42 | spldart | Yay! I'm an officer! :) |
| 20:06.52 | JeffM | but not a gentleman ;) |
| 20:06.59 | spldart | Indeed. |
| 20:07.05 | spldart | I like Louman's :) |
| 20:07.20 | BulletCatcher | But officer, I'm sure I was doing the speed limit! |
| 20:07.36 | JeffM | BulletCatcher: you outrank him |
| 20:07.55 | spldart | But if I become an MP ...... muwahaaaha. j/k |
| 20:08.09 | JeffM | yeah I could make an MP overlay |
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| 20:10.16 | BulletCatcher | The combination of spldart's avatar and rank is really funny. |
| 20:11.09 | spldart | I'm a silly lieutenant |
| 20:14.01 | JeffM | goes home |
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| 20:15.07 | joevano | so blast007 I give.. how do you make quick reply the default as JeffM requested? |
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| 20:24.11 | spldart | Is it common that cheap routers like airlink and belkin only apply port forwarding or dmz to the wireless machines but cannot do so to the wired machines on that particular router? |
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| 20:39.30 | blast007 | joevano: oh, probably have to clear the template cache |
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| 20:39.39 | blast007 | I tweaked the file earlier |
| 20:42.57 | blast007 | there |
| 20:43.03 | blast007 | on by default :) |
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| 20:47.17 | joevano | JeffM: QR on by default now... thanks blast007 |
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| 21:31.04 | JeffM | joevano: thanks |
| 21:31.53 | JeffM | is so very tempted to get a vps single node server just for a month just to see how it works |
| 21:32.11 | joevano | it seems very easy |
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| 21:32.36 | JeffM | yeah |
| 21:33.01 | JeffM | and it'd beat this bsd crap :) |
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| 21:34.12 | JeffM | I'm guessing the clouds don't do so well for stuff like a game server |
| 21:35.25 | joevano | I would assume that as well, but then again we don't do much in way of processor power |
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| 21:37.01 | ts | Hi, I have a license question. |
| 21:37.15 | JeffM | ts: hello |
| 21:37.29 | JeffM | joevano: was thinking more for my own stuff |
| 21:37.36 | joevano | .ah |
| 21:37.50 | ts | If I re-use BZFlag artwork, I will be tied to the LGPL`regarding the re-used artwork, correct? |
| 21:37.50 | JeffM | our server at sagonet runs ventrillo, some sites, and a few game servers |
| 21:37.58 | JeffM | ts: yep |
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| 21:38.20 | JeffM | you can't relicense the art |
| 21:38.22 | ts | My other stuff stays under the license I originally had? |
| 21:38.26 | JeffM | sure |
| 21:38.42 | ts | The LGPL says I have to distribute a copy of the license.. |
| 21:38.50 | JeffM | yep |
| 21:38.59 | JeffM | I assume this is for a website? |
| 21:39.05 | ts | yes..background |
| 21:39.36 | JeffM | I'd just put a link to bzflag and the lgpl in the footer somewhere "this site uses images from bzflag, under the lgpl" |
| 21:39.38 | JeffM | that'd be fine |
| 21:40.11 | JeffM | I'd really like to get tim to license the art under CCSA |
| 21:40.11 | ts | I assume it would have to be human readable? :) |
| 21:40.21 | JeffM | ts yes it would be nice it if was |
| 21:40.29 | JeffM | but it dosn't have to be huge |
| 21:40.43 | JeffM | look at the footer of bzbb for an example |
| 21:40.52 | JeffM | it has the phpbb and theme copyright |
| 21:41.15 | JeffM | what license are you releasing your site under? |
| 21:41.18 | ts | hmm, okay if the artwork will good, I will ask for confirmation if the way used is ok.. |
| 21:41.35 | ts | There is no license right now, proabably I go propriatary |
| 21:41.44 | JeffM | what kind of site is it? |
| 21:41.54 | ts | umm, a league website |
| 21:42.00 | ts | concept |
| 21:42.08 | JeffM | why would you not make it open source? |
| 21:42.20 | JeffM | woudl you not want others to use it as well? |
| 21:42.54 | ts | I first want to get it usable, then think further about license. I just don't want to nail my options down to one license at this point. |
| 21:43.29 | JeffM | why not pick a simple licnese then people can help you |
| 21:43.35 | JeffM | ls |
| 21:43.37 | JeffM | ww |
| 21:44.36 | ts | Part of the creation process is learning..I want to get some experience doing such a thing |
| 21:45.08 | JeffM | so much for brotherly love and world peace then I guess ;) |
| 21:45.27 | noyb | let's keep the beauty pageants tho' |
| 21:45.45 | ts | Heh |
| 21:45.51 | JeffM | why? do you look good in a thong? |
| 21:48.05 | noyb | never tried it.... but I'm positive the answer is no. And I don't want to know if there is somebody who thinks otherwise. |
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| 21:53.12 | TylerM | auth server having troubles i guess? |
| 21:53.20 | JeffM | it is slow yes |
| 21:53.32 | JeffM | wishes the brlcad would show up |
| 21:53.42 | TylerM | k thx, will keep trying |
| 21:53.49 | TylerM | boy i play better when i can auth as admin :) |
| 21:54.56 | TylerM | i mean when 'i can't ' :) |
| 21:56.43 | JeffM | probably less distractions |
| 21:58.18 | TylerM | i'd say :) |
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| 23:32.12 | blast007 | joevano / JeffM: was there any spam today? |
| 23:32.29 | JeffM | I have not seen any |
| 23:33.12 | blast007 | yay |
| 23:34.29 | blast007 | sweet, doesn't look like there was. admin log doesn't show any users getting deleted. ;) |
| 23:35.06 | blast007 | JeffM: should I swap in the reCAPTCHA? |
| 23:35.15 | JeffM | I don't see why not |
| 23:35.29 | blast007 | ok |
| 23:37.52 | blast007 | done :) |
| 23:47.52 | JeffM | where is the bzflag favicon? |
| 23:48.32 | blast007 | which one? |
| 23:48.37 | JeffM | the fourm one |
| 23:48.39 | blast007 | think there's at least two |
| 23:48.39 | JeffM | it's cooler |
| 23:48.51 | blast007 | http://my.bzflag.org/favicon.ico ;) |
| 23:49.19 | JeffM | ugg.. that looks horible in wordpress |
| 23:49.39 | blast007 | as what, a logo? |
| 23:49.53 | JeffM | as the image for a link in a sidebar |
| 23:50.10 | JeffM | http://www.awesomelaser.com/ |
| 23:51.33 | blast007 | assuming that white border is part of the icon? |
| 23:51.38 | JeffM | it's not |
| 23:51.46 | JeffM | does not feel like editing the theme |
| 23:51.52 | JeffM | does not realy like the theme :) |
| 23:51.56 | blast007 | heh |
| 23:52.14 | JeffM | the built in theme system is somewhat of a joke |
| 23:52.37 | JeffM | why in the name of all that is good and pure would I give them my FTP info just to have them send me a file? |
| 23:52.54 | blast007 | hmm, I don't think I had to do that |
| 23:53.07 | blast007 | cuz I don't even have FTP installed on my server :P |
| 23:53.12 | JeffM | that's what the built in theme browser wants to do |
| 23:53.15 | JeffM | nor do I |
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| 23:54.18 | blast007 | works fine for me |
| 23:54.24 | blast007 | maybe you don't have permissions set up right |
| 23:54.33 | JeffM | mayhaps |
| 23:54.45 | JeffM | dirs are 755 and files 644 IIRC |
| 23:55.39 | JeffM | wonder if I don't have mod_rewrite |
