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| 00:55.32 | Djpenguin | guy with admin privs "Hotbug" came in during match, editing server settings at quol.bzflag.bz 5158 |
| 00:55.38 | Djpenguin | he isn't a GU admin |
| 00:58.41 | Djpenguin | we don't have radar anymore, in mid-match |
| 01:00.38 | brad | o_O |
| 01:00.45 | brad | when was this? |
| 01:01.25 | Djpenguin | just now |
| 01:01.32 | Djpenguin | quol 5158 doesnt have a radar now |
| 01:01.34 | Djpenguin | and tanks can fly |
| 01:01.50 | brad | ~blame meno |
| 01:01.51 | ibot | ACTION blames meno (and Canada) for all the evil in the world |
| 01:02.06 | brad | checking.. :P |
| 01:02.32 | Djpenguin | we moved to 5157 |
| 01:02.32 | Djpenguin | but I bet people still there |
| 01:02.35 | Djpenguin | "HotBug" |
| 01:06.15 | Djpenguin | checking, are you? |
| 01:06.29 | brad | slightly confuzzled |
| 01:06.43 | brad | seems to be same sorta thing that used to happen on hepcat |
| 01:07.00 | brad | people getting admin perms without ... being in any group |
| 01:08.26 | brad | they used a proxy too, so can't check who it is... |
| 01:17.28 | Djpenguin | server password |
| 01:17.45 | Djpenguin | brad: there should be video of it on quols replay server |
| 01:17.51 | Djpenguin | if I find the # I'll let you know |
| 01:19.07 | brad | nope no password entered |
| 01:19.47 | blast007 | brad: in this instanace, or in the hepcat instances? |
| 01:19.58 | brad | both :P |
| 01:20.02 | brad | iirc |
| 01:20.13 | brad | may need to check with cosmos...I'm sure he remembers |
| 01:20.51 | Djpenguin | brad : come to quol.bzflag.bz 5159 we are watching the video |
| 01:21.22 | brad | ok! |
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| 01:39.06 | cosmos | i dont recall finding the actual fix to that other than migrating up to a newer cvs tree |
| 01:57.28 | brad | cosmos: it was definitely done without using a password though, right? |
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| 02:13.10 | Djpenguin | hm |
| 02:17.25 | cosmos | yeah i dont set passwords on servers brad |
| 02:17.27 | cosmos | just use the groups |
| 02:17.39 | cosmos | hasnt happend on my current one either |
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| 04:54.01 | blast007 | hi mebigfatguy |
| 04:54.12 | mebigfatguy | howdy |
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| 17:04.47 | hwilde | seen ahs3- |
| 17:05.05 | hwilde | !seen ahs3- |
| 17:05.09 | hwilde | :p |
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| 17:45.26 | delusional_ | ~seen ahs3 |
| 17:45.28 | ibot | ahs3 <n=alvin@adsl-065-005-193-158.sip.rdu.bellsouth.net> was last seen on IRC in channel #bzflag, 734d 19h 3m 28s ago, saying: 'thanks'. |
| 17:46.02 | hwilde | ~seen ahs3- |
| 17:46.03 | ibot | ahs3- is currently on #bzflag (1d 3h 3m 16s) ##kierra (1d 3h 3m 16s), last said: 'kierra, hi'. |
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| 17:56.23 | Cobra_Fast | hi |
| 17:57.42 | Cobra_Fast | where can i find the source of http://my.bzflag.org/db/ ? |
| 17:58.04 | blast007 | under the 'db' folder in the bzflag SVN |
| 17:58.12 | blast007 | the /db/ directory doesn't really exist though |
| 17:58.23 | blast007 | it's just a single PHP file that is handling those requests (bzfls.php) |
| 17:59.18 | Cobra_Fast | so how do i get the source? |
| 17:59.27 | blast007 | from SVN |
| 18:00.20 | blast007 | the 'db' folder in SVN does exist. it contains the stats site, list server, weblogin, etc |
| 18:00.38 | Cobra_Fast | where in the svn is it then? |
| 18:00.40 | blast007 | the /db/ folder on the web server does not exist (it's all in my.bzflag.org |
| 18:00.58 | blast007 | Cobra_Fast: read what I said again ;) |
| 18:01.08 | JeffM | he's said it like 3 times too |
| 18:01.13 | AAA_awright | http://bzflag.svn.sf.net/viewvc/bzflag/trunk/db/ |
| 18:01.39 | Cobra_Fast | thank you! |
| 18:01.49 | blast007 | AAA_awright: that's not how you would check out the code, though |
| 18:01.54 | JeffM | what do you want to do with it? |
| 18:02.12 | Cobra_Fast | i want to know how this |
| 18:02.13 | Cobra_Fast | 007a00050000001e0000000000001e000200070007000700070005 |
| 18:02.14 | Cobra_Fast | works |
| 18:02.18 | blast007 | that's not in there |
| 18:02.22 | blast007 | that's in the bzflag code |
| 18:02.24 | JeffM | yeah that page won't show you that |
| 18:02.28 | JeffM | it just passes it |
| 18:02.32 | AAA_awright | Cobra_Fast: It's a pack() |
| 18:02.41 | Cobra_Fast | yes i see |
| 18:02.44 | blast007 | all the list server does it say "I see you passed a string. let me store that and give it out when asked" |
| 18:03.04 | blast007 | iirc, that's the ping packet |
| 18:03.06 | JeffM | dosn't one of the query pages in misc unpack a version of that |
| 18:03.09 | JeffM | yeah its' a ping |
| 18:03.16 | blast007 | probably |
| 18:03.21 | blast007 | bzflist.php maybe |
| 18:03.21 | JeffM | it has the server info in it |
| 18:04.04 | JeffM | what are you trying to do Cobra_Fast? |
| 18:04.15 | Cobra_Fast | i'm trying to read the list |
| 18:04.17 | AAA_awright | See http://php.net/pack and http://git.bzfx.net/~aaa/RedjacketStats/tree/classes/BZFlag_Info.php#n43 |
| 18:04.28 | JeffM | why? |
| 18:04.36 | Cobra_Fast | thx AAA_awright |
| 18:04.53 | Cobra_Fast | im building the class for a friend, idk what he wants to do with that lol |
| 18:05.06 | JeffM | and you think that is wise? |
| 18:05.28 | Cobra_Fast | i trust him |
| 18:05.34 | JeffM | please don't make another polling stats system |
| 18:06.03 | Cobra_Fast | i wont |
| 18:06.17 | JeffM | please don't help someone else make another polling stats system |
| 18:06.34 | hwilde | sounds like don't need to worry |
| 18:06.40 | hwilde | can't even find /db |
| 18:06.45 | Cobra_Fast | i wont :D |
| 18:07.03 | JeffM | I always worry when people won't mention what they are doing exactly |
| 18:07.08 | JeffM | means they are hiding someting |
| 18:07.17 | AAA_awright | Cobra_Fast: Perhaps whatever you need it for already exists |
| 18:07.19 | blast007 | it's a secret project!!! omgz |
| 18:07.25 | hwilde | TOPsecret |
| 18:07.32 | Cobra_Fast | i dont think he wants to use it for some bad purposes |
| 18:07.36 | AAA_awright | Or rather, whatever your friend needs it for already exists, who is your friend? |
| 18:07.45 | JeffM | if you don't want to share what you are doing, then why should we share our help and code with you? |
| 18:07.54 | Cobra_Fast | he needs it to be written in C# |
| 18:08.03 | JeffM | so> |
| 18:08.05 | JeffM | ? |
| 18:08.18 | JeffM | the point of open source is to share and colaborate |
| 18:08.29 | Cobra_Fast | its an open source project |
| 18:08.31 | blast007 | Cobra_Fast: was the stuff you were doing with obtaining a token from the list server related? |
| 18:08.33 | Cobra_Fast | its even on sf.net |
| 18:08.51 | JeffM | what project is it? |
| 18:08.55 | Cobra_Fast | no, blast, that was a project of mine which died today |
| 18:09.03 | AAA_awright | Hrm is it that friend finder thing? |
| 18:09.12 | Cobra_Fast | http://bztraytools.sourceforge.net/ |
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| 18:09.30 | JeffM | what is it going to do? |
| 18:09.37 | JeffM | poll the list and let you auto join the game? |
| 18:09.38 | Cobra_Fast | i dont know |
| 18:09.42 | Cobra_Fast | its NOT my project |
| 18:09.47 | JeffM | yet you work on it |
| 18:10.11 | Cobra_Fast | yes cuz the guy the project it belongs to is too noob to figure parsing the list stuff |
| 18:10.18 | JeffM | bassicly I'm worried about anything that puts more stress on the list server |
| 18:10.30 | JeffM | if he's that "noob" then why not make him learn something :) |
| 18:10.43 | Cobra_Fast | thats the purpose of the project i think |
| 18:10.51 | Cobra_Fast | make him pro |
| 18:10.53 | hwilde | .7z = noob. |
| 18:11.01 | hwilde | Archive type not supported fail |
| 18:11.04 | JeffM | 7z is not a bad format |
| 18:11.13 | JeffM | get a decompresser that dosn't suck |
| 18:11.19 | hwilde | it's not natively supported in linux |
| 18:11.21 | AAA_awright | 7z is one of the best compression formats there is actually |
| 18:11.30 | JeffM | no compression format is "native" on linux |
| 18:11.38 | hwilde | natively SUPPORTED |
| 18:11.38 | JeffM | linux is just a kernel |
| 18:11.39 | hwilde | READ |
| 18:11.45 | JeffM | I know what you said |
| 18:11.47 | AAA_awright | hwilde: er, which Linux? Not the kernel of course :) |
| 18:11.47 | JeffM | LISTEN |
| 18:11.54 | JeffM | just get the tool |
| 18:12.02 | hwilde | .zip .bz2 .tar.gz all work out of the box |
| 18:12.03 | blast007 | hwilde: it's not installed by default on your distro, sure |
| 18:12.04 | JeffM | 7zip is a good open source project |
| 18:12.11 | JeffM | hwilde: that's just because of your distro |
| 18:12.15 | spldart | LOLz.. Heading off that terminology error :) |
| 18:12.19 | JeffM | but that's not linux's falut |
| 18:12.32 | hwilde | .7z is lame windows software |
| 18:12.33 | JeffM | it's more yours for not knowing what modern compression systems are ;) |
| 18:13.02 | JeffM | the format is lzma compression that has decompressers on all OSs |
| 18:13.08 | JeffM | it's very efficent |
| 18:13.32 | blast007 | has a 7zip binary on his N800 ;) |
| 18:13.53 | JeffM | just beecause they have a windows app dosn't make it automaticly lame |
| 18:14.04 | AAA_awright | It's a Windows program it looks like |
| 18:14.06 | JeffM | it makes them smart for getting something that will work in lots of places and gain adoption |
| 18:14.12 | hwilde | it works nowhere |
| 18:14.30 | hwilde | whatever I don't want tray tools that bad |
| 18:14.37 | hwilde | it doesn't even say what they do |
| 18:14.39 | AAA_awright | I guess that is implied by C# being the language |
| 18:14.50 | JeffM | you don't have windows, how would you use a windows tray tool? ;) |
| 18:15.00 | JeffM | AAA_awright: C# runs fine on linux and mac |
| 18:15.07 | JeffM | mono == awesome |
| 18:15.12 | spldart | uh oh... |
| 18:15.16 | hwilde | i can already join servers ty |
| 18:15.17 | AAA_awright | True |
| 18:15.21 | hwilde | lol |
| 18:15.26 | JeffM | then why are you even talking? |
| 18:15.39 | JeffM | and here, http://sourceforge.net/projects/p7zip/ |
| 18:15.45 | JeffM | unzip 7z files on linux |
| 18:15.55 | Chestal | xz seems the way to go for lzma on Linux I guess |
| 18:16.28 | blast007 | aptitude install p7zip |
| 18:16.34 | blast007 | oh no, that's too hard! help me! |
| 18:16.34 | hwilde | sudo no |
| 18:16.44 | spldart | *giggle*( |
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| 18:19.36 | blast007 | hwilde: so do you only used software that is included by default with your linux distribution? ;) |
| 18:19.54 | JeffM | must suck not to be able to compile anything :) |
| 18:20.01 | spldart | heh |
| 18:28.54 | hwilde | i've been using ubuntu for about 4 years now and never needed 7zip |
| 18:29.08 | blast007 | so? |
| 18:29.23 | blast007 | you just did 15 minutes ago |
| 18:29.34 | hwilde | well i'm not gonna start now for some c# windows system tray that doesn't even list its features |
| 18:29.48 | JeffM | I doubt it would have worked |
| 18:30.01 | blast007 | I don't even get why you are complaining about it ;) |
| 18:30.05 | hwilde | I'm not |
| 18:30.06 | blast007 | you're on linux |
| 18:30.07 | JeffM | I don't think wine emulates the system tray |
| 18:30.13 | hwilde | you are egging me on |
| 18:30.19 | hwilde | I was in the kitchen making breakfast |
| 18:30.24 | hwilde | and you are all ;) about it |
| 18:30.44 | JeffM | actualy you poped in first |
| 18:31.02 | hwilde | actually I let it go for about 12m |
| 18:31.09 | hwilde | then blast decided to poke |
| 18:31.21 | JeffM | then made a comment about software you didn't understand. |
| 18:31.24 | hwilde | and you might need to replace your keyboard |
| 18:31.25 | blast007 | I wanted to see if the air would come out |
| 18:31.27 | JeffM | and so yeah, we called you on it |
| 18:31.29 | hwilde | looks like double keys are not working |
| 18:31.32 | JeffM | it's natural |
| 18:31.38 | hwilde | you failed to type actually with two ls |
| 18:31.42 | hwilde | then you failed to type popped with two ps |
| 18:31.46 | hwilde | maybe your batteries are dying |
| 18:31.51 | JeffM | no, I just can't spell |
| 18:32.14 | JeffM | tis common knowledge |
| 18:32.59 | JeffM | i've been working on bzflag for about 15 years now and never needed to spell |
| 18:33.08 | JeffM | ;) |
| 18:33.17 | spldart | And why spelling issues are commonly related to a lack of intellectual capacity I will never no. It's a common issue among we genius types ;) |
| 18:34.33 | JeffM | yeah I put into a special ed class for a semester becaue of it. |
| 18:34.39 | JeffM | that was less then fun |
| 18:35.31 | hwilde | so anyways |
| 18:35.34 | hwilde | ~seen ahs3- |
| 18:35.36 | ibot | ahs3- is currently on #bzflag (1d 3h 52m 49s) ##kierra (1d 3h 52m 49s), last said: 'kierra, hi'. |
| 18:35.42 | JeffM | @l3st I dn't tpe lk ths! |
| 18:36.42 | hwilde | http://ssshotaru.homestead.com/files/aolertranslator.html |
| 18:37.06 | ahs3- | hwilde, yes? |
| 18:37.24 | hwilde | hey ahs3- swigg is bannin people on incoming now there aren't enough ppl to play :( |
| 18:37.37 | ahs3- | ok |
| 18:37.49 | hwilde | Jayko is no cheat he is there all the time |
| 18:38.03 | ahs3- | talk to benfish he is the server owner, not me |
| 18:38.12 | hwilde | hm i thought your name was on it |
| 18:38.20 | ahs3- | on the map yes |
| 18:38.50 | ahs3- | not the server |
| 18:39.05 | JeffM | why is it that many people think map == server? |
| 18:39.13 | hwilde | ah. cool map |
| 18:39.21 | hwilde | benfish is never around tho |
| 18:39.28 | ahs3- | thanks, I made the map and benfish hosts it |
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| 18:46.15 | blast007 | hwilde: it even says right in the server message "hosted by Benfish" |
| 18:46.34 | hwilde | ~seen benfish |
| 18:46.36 | ibot | benfish <n=Benfish@user-5af00b20.wfd95.dsl.pol.co.uk> was last seen on IRC in channel #bzflag, 895d 20h 49m 16s ago, saying: 'good point'. |
| 18:46.40 | hwilde | mmhmm |
| 18:46.43 | hwilde | never around |
| 18:46.47 | blast007 | not everyone goes on IRC :P |
| 18:46.52 | blast007 | send them a PM on the forum |
| 18:46.59 | JeffM | that's what global login is about ;) |
| 18:47.07 | hwilde | i lost my forum pw |
| 18:47.15 | JeffM | so.... |
| 18:47.16 | JeffM | get it back |
| 18:47.19 | blast007 | and your email address? |
| 18:47.21 | JeffM | or make an new account |
| 18:47.25 | JeffM | it's kinda easy |
| 18:47.28 | hwilde | i don't have email :/ |
| 18:47.35 | blast007 | ... |
| 18:47.36 | JeffM | riiggghhhhttt |
| 18:47.45 | JeffM | ok, so troll detector has gone off |
| 18:49.46 | hwilde | blast007, twice I have dropped it and been quiet and you make my screen blink |
| 18:50.21 | blast007 | that's nice |
| 18:50.33 | JeffM | perhaps you should turn off the blink then if it's that much of a bother ;) |
| 18:51.02 | hwilde | mutes blast007 |
| 18:51.10 | JeffM | there ya go |
| 18:51.49 | hwilde | sets JeffM font to white |
| 18:52.07 | JeffM | whatever floats your boat sarsipius |
| 19:10.35 | ruskie | :) |
| 19:13.51 | JeffM | goes to order more helicopter parts |
| 19:18.27 | ruskie | O.o |
| 19:20.48 | me1 | hwilde, if you actually are planning on talking to benfish, and aren't just complaining for the sake of complaining, contact him on bztank.net , he'll probably respond to that faster. (they have a link to thier own irc channel on a different network there too) |
| 19:20.56 | JeffM | new knighthead and tail rotor holders :) |
| 19:47.41 | spldart | Man I need to see if I can do something with this cheapo 'dragonfly' chopper. |
| 19:48.02 | spldart | one servo and the main rotor need parts. |
| 19:48.17 | JeffM | walkera? |
| 19:49.32 | JeffM | as there are many models called "dragonfly" |
| 19:50.29 | spldart | cheapo..... double horse |
| 19:50.41 | JeffM | ahh syma |
| 19:50.47 | JeffM | they arn't THAT bad |
| 19:51.04 | JeffM | 3 or 4 channel? |
| 19:51.58 | spldart | Heh... I don't recall now.... It's been sitting on a shelf awaiting my attention for quite a long while. |
| 19:52.06 | JeffM | could it fly sideways? |
| 19:52.12 | spldart | ah.. no |
| 19:52.15 | JeffM | or just turn and go forward |
| 19:52.19 | spldart | yeah |
| 19:52.27 | JeffM | did it have a propeller on the back that faced up? |
| 19:52.58 | spldart | prop on back faced sideways :confused: |
| 19:53.11 | JeffM | ok |
| 19:53.18 | JeffM | some 3 channels have one that go up |
| 19:53.19 | spldart | I must be confusing it with my brothers chopper |
| 19:53.24 | JeffM | so it only had one main rotor? |
| 19:53.25 | JeffM | or 2? |
| 19:53.30 | spldart | one main |
| 19:53.38 | JeffM | odd that it was a 3 channel then |
| 19:53.42 | spldart | \oh wait |
| 19:54.04 | spldart | does the little one with the stubby flap looking thingies count? |
| 19:54.10 | JeffM | no |
| 19:54.15 | spldart | two big blades.. two stubby hehe |
| 19:54.22 | spldart | then one |
| 19:54.34 | JeffM | you'd know if it had 2 |
| 19:54.42 | JeffM | they'd spin in oposite directions |
| 19:54.46 | spldart | 2 many crashes... i need to get into it again |
| 19:54.47 | JeffM | it'd be a coaxial |
| 19:55.01 | spldart | yep.. countering torque and eliminating the need for side facing tail |
| 19:55.07 | JeffM | but if it has a real tail rotor and tail motor then they usualy are 3 channels |
| 19:55.22 | JeffM | cus if you are going to put a swashplate on it it, may as well do 3 |
| 19:55.26 | JeffM | do 4 I mean |
| 19:55.41 | JeffM | fixed pitch jobs like that are a pain to fly |
| 19:56.33 | spldart | Well.. my lack of experience is prolly the bigger reason for excess 'battle' damage ;) |
| 19:56.39 | JeffM | it look like this |
| 19:56.40 | JeffM | http://www.xheli.com/enlarge.html?http://ep.yimg.com/ca/I/yhst-94582326164583_2080_22459317 |
| 19:58.11 | JeffM | it'll probably cost less to just get a new one |
| 19:58.26 | spldart | Not exactly but very close. |
| 19:58.28 | JeffM | since you can get a little coaxial for less then 50 |
| 19:58.34 | spldart | hehe... Perhaps. |
| 19:58.41 | spldart | and I could use this one for spare parts. |
| 19:59.01 | spldart | thinks about running to papajohns for that 9.99 large meat lovers :-p |
| 19:59.19 | JeffM | usualy you can't take from one model to another |
| 19:59.33 | JeffM | did it have a canopy that looked like a ball? |
| 19:59.52 | spldart | Nah.. looks like those old 'MASH' choppers |
| 19:59.58 | spldart | 2 seats open on each end. |
| 20:00.10 | spldart | egg shaped a bit |
| 20:00.13 | JeffM | http://www.enjoyhobbies.biz/-c-79/double-horse-3-ch-flying-eagle-helicopter |
| 20:01.22 | spldart | holy crap thats cheap!! |
| 20:01.29 | spldart | that's the one methinks |
| 20:01.39 | JeffM | http://www.amazon.co.uk/Dragon-Fly-Remote-Control-Helicopter/dp/B000K4JRIC |
| 20:01.43 | spldart | b ut cheaper than I paid :( |
| 20:01.55 | JeffM | they have been getting a lot cheaper |
| 20:02.03 | JeffM | you can get little 2 channels for 15$ |
| 20:02.12 | JeffM | my good coax was only 100$ |
| 20:03.01 | spldart | cheap... CHEAP! |
| 20:03.08 | spldart | cheap CHEAP |
| 20:03.15 | spldart | ok |
| 20:03.25 | JeffM | http://www.xheli.com/rchelicopter.html |
| 20:03.30 | spldart | so the hobby store near here closed recebntly... |
| 20:03.32 | JeffM | that's a list of cheapie indoors |
| 20:03.39 | JeffM | most local shops are |
| 20:03.43 | spldart | so I either do online or the far away one |
| 20:03.43 | JeffM | the interwebs are where it's it |
| 20:04.06 | spldart | I guess that's what I will be doin :) |
| 20:04.19 | JeffM | this is what I just got, http://www.xheli.com/falcon-3d-brushless-2-4ghz.html |
| 20:04.51 | spldart | thanks for the link... good god... the cheapness |
| 20:05.41 | JeffM | if you want to eventualy learn how to fly "real" model helicopters I recomend a 4 chanel coaxial |
| 20:05.54 | spldart | nice |
| 20:06.17 | spldart | hehe... If I ever 'really' fly a real helicopter call the cops... I stole it. |
| 20:06.35 | spldart | thanks for the link... bookmarked... You bought from them? |
| 20:06.43 | spldart | get ready to run for pizza |
| 20:06.44 | JeffM | yeah multiple times |
| 20:06.52 | spldart | sweet.. and your happy then |
| 20:07.08 | JeffM | yeah for the most part |
| 20:07.13 | JeffM | haven't interacted with them much |
| 20:07.18 | JeffM | but it's fine |
| 20:07.27 | JeffM | and they are very local to me so I get my stuff next day |
| 20:07.59 | spldart | ah... that's nice... I'm sure I will be 3 day orso |
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