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04:09.42CIA-72BZFlag: 03trepan * r20656 10/trunk/bzflag/src/bzflag/ (5 files): * added mumble positioning support
04:17.49CIA-72BZFlag: 03trepan * r20657 10/trunk/bzflag/src/bzflag/Mumble.cxx: * set the position to (0,0,0) in Mumble::kill() (disable positional sound)
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06:19.38AAA_awrighttrepan: Nice to see positional audio for Mumble being added
06:21.43AAA_awrightWhat was the official reason for STD not being supported in Windows? It looks like you can support non-container classes: http://support.microsoft.com/kb/168958
06:22.16AAA_awrighter, Standard Template Library, e.g. String
06:22.33trepanask JeffM  (ex: std::string, not String)
06:23.45AAA_awrightStrings, you knew what I meant :)
06:23.57AAA_awrightI was, JeffM isn't here
06:24.10CIA-72BZFlag: 03trepan * r20658 10/trunk/bzflag/src/bzflag/Mumble.cxx: * mumble link touchups (added the PID to the link name)
06:26.50a_meteoriteif the API used std::vector and std::string I'd be forever grateful
06:27.04a_meteoriteI'd try to make the API do it if I had a handy Windows dev environment...
06:36.14AAA_awrightboots up Windows
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07:22.56CIA-72BZFlag: 03221.206.2.53 07http://my.bzflag.org * r6688 10/w/Runescape%E6%B8%B8%E6%88%8F%E4%BB%8B%E7%BB%8D: New page: The reaction was exciting. The ugg boots selling marker had indoors. When Oprah featured another UGG wader in her 2003 Oprah???s Favorite Things show, the world on the path in a stunning t...
07:29.42CIA-72BZFlag: 03Bullet Catcher 07http://my.bzflag.org * r6689 10/w/Runescape%E6%B8%B8%E6%88%8F%E4%BB%8B%E7%BB%8D: Replacing page with 'no spam'
07:42.49AAA_awrightIs there a speedy delete template?
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07:54.47CIA-72BZFlag: 03Wejk1 07http://my.bzflag.org * r6690 10/w/User:Wejk1: New page: Ugg boots with lenience For the Fashion Conscious: There are the Epping, or Mojita Spirit. The ugg boots trade itself is versatile is the smartest class for her. The good newscasts is th...
07:56.49a_meteorite:\
08:16.34CIA-72BZFlag: 03Bullet Catcher 07http://my.bzflag.org * r6691 10/w/User:Wejk1: Replacing page with 'ugh'
08:32.59CIA-72BZFlag: 03Lala0453 07http://my.bzflag.org * r6692 10/w/Main_Page:
08:39.17CIA-72BZFlag: 03A Meteorite 07http://my.bzflag.org * r6693 10/w/Main_Page: Undo revision 6692 by [[Special:Contributions/Lala0453|Lala0453]] ([[User talk:Lala0453|Talk]])
08:39.33cygal_damn, I was doing it, but the wiki is too slow :)
08:39.47a_meteoriteyeah
08:40.23a_meteoritesomeone kill that user
08:40.36cygal_looks at blast007
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10:29.07philcostinanyone know why ./configure is failing with ./configure: line 2876: syntax error near unexpected token `config.cache.${host_os}.${ac_hostname}'
10:29.13philcostin(in svn) ?
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12:24.37CIA-72BZFlag: 03Blast 07http://my.bzflag.org * r0 10/w/Special:Log/block: blocked [[User:Wejk1]] with an expiry time of 1 year (account creation disabled, e-mail blocked): Spamming links to external sites
12:24.54CIA-72BZFlag: 03Blast 07http://my.bzflag.org * r0 10/w/Special:Log/block: blocked [[User:221.206.2.53]] with an expiry time of 1 year (anonymous users only, account creation disabled): Spamming links to external sites
12:26.58CIA-72BZFlag: 03Blast 07http://my.bzflag.org * r0 10/w/Special:Log/delete: deleted "[[Runescape????????????]]": spam
12:27.10CIA-72BZFlag: 03Blast 07http://my.bzflag.org * r0 10/w/Special:Log/delete: deleted "[[User:Wejk1]]": spam
12:28.48CIA-72BZFlag: 03Blast 07http://my.bzflag.org * r0 10/w/Special:Log/block: blocked [[User:Lala0453]] with an expiry time of 1 year (account creation disabled, e-mail blocked): Spamming links to external sites
12:29.18blast007weee
12:34.56tsHmm, build problems with mumble
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12:35.28tstrepan: http://bzflag.pastebin.com/m648745eb
12:41.55tsPlatform is Mac OS X 10.6 i386 with build target x86_64
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15:02.23CIA-72BZFlag: 03blast007 * r20659 10/trunk/bzflag/MSVC/build/bzflag.vcproj: Update VC9 project to include RadarOptionsMenu.* and Mumble.*
15:04.15blast007ts: and that was after an autogen and configure?
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15:31.37tsblast007: I used make distclean then autogen then configure
15:32.28tsblast007: I'm not even understanding why it searches in the 10.4u SDK
15:48.58trepandoes the preceding link command include the Mumble.o object?
15:57.10tsnot that I see
15:58.56tshere:s the full log not mentioning mumble.o: http://bzflag.pastebin.com/mfdfcd75
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16:00.10tsCiao Tupone
16:00.23Tuponehallo ts
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16:53.28temp_dist~bzpastebin
16:53.29iboti guess bzpastebin is http://pastebin.bzflag.bz or a place to put large chunks of text so as not to flood a channel
16:54.55temp_disthttp://pastebin.bzflag.bz/m7cdc7cbb
16:55.26temp_distBuild error ^^
16:58.27trepanah, bzrobots again; one sec
16:59.15CIA-72BZFlag: 03trepan * r20660 10/trunk/bzflag/src/clientbase/Makefile.am: * added the Mumble files to clientbase
17:01.12temp_distgreat thx
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17:08.19trepanso the Hub connection code now seems to be working for linux and MacOSX 10.5.8
17:08.35trepanjust need to have the windows code retested
17:08.45temp_distmy hub keys are just not bound  - fixing now
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17:19.02spldartDear ctrl -z and fg....Where have you been all my life?
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17:36.01wandaping trepan
17:36.18trepanbetter to ask your question than to ping
17:37.38wandaafter introducing Mumble.cxx /.h i get a build error on my linux box: bzflag and bzrobots have to be linked to librt.so now too because of call to shm_open ... did u know?
17:38.55trepanseems that was already handled on my machine, easy enough to add
17:41.06wandai can modify my Makefiles, but thats not the right way - i dont know any other way .. sorry
17:44.02trepanthanks for the heads-up, it'll be handled
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17:48.03CIA-72BZFlag: 03trepan * r20661 10/trunk/bzflag/src/ (bzflag/Makefile.am bzrobots/Makefile.am): * added -lrt for shm_open()
17:52.08blast007trepan: I just launched the client. did it trigger the Hub?  (couldn't actually see anything, cuz OpenGL fails over LogMeIn)
17:54.03trepanblast007: yup, seems you connected, downloaded the code, and ran it
17:54.08trepan(but never logged in)
17:54.30blast007yeah, couldn't log in, cuz I couldn't see the screen :)
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17:54.58trepanLogMeIn?
17:57.36blast007remote access
17:57.39blast007I'm at work
17:57.47blast007built an updated client at home
17:59.18CIA-72BZFlag: 03bullet_catcher * r20662 10/trunk/bzflag/debian/README.Debian:
17:59.18CIA-72BZFlag: Fix spelling.
17:59.18CIA-72BZFlag: Use correct csh command.
17:59.18CIA-72BZFlag: Expand credit for modifications.
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18:21.02tstrepan: Now I get ld: library not found for -lrt
18:21.08ts:S
18:22.06tsand yesterday hub code seemed broken on Mac OS X 10.6.1
18:22.23tsit compiled fine yesterday but it didn't connect
18:22.49trepanheh, -lrt is linux specific?; pita
18:22.59trepants: did you get a connection error message?
18:23.17tsNo, nothing just no connection
18:23.36tsthe connect and disconnect menu entries didn't work, either
18:23.45trepan'/hub status' might provide some more information
18:23.53trepan(after having attempted to connect)
18:24.14tsneed to look if I can get / working again, broken atm
18:24.24trepanya, i'll do something about -lrt
18:24.26tssdl 1.3 is bugy
18:35.07CIA-72BZFlag: 03trepan * r20663 10/trunk/bzflag/ (configure.ac src/bzflag/Makefile.am src/bzrobots/Makefile.am): * check for -lrt / shm_open() before linking it
18:35.28trepants: that should fix your linking
19:02.06brlcadshm_open is in -lc on mac
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19:20.40tstrepan: yes, it build now ok. tnx
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22:37.34Atluxityplease help me... how come i get killed by myself when i fire a GM in mid-air?
22:42.45BulletCatcherWhat map is that on?
22:43.56BulletCatcherGM normally has an activation delay that keeps you from killing yourself, but on some maps that delay is too short for tank speeds, and you can run into your own missile.
22:52.18Atluxityits was two castles, with flags
22:52.33Atluxityi dont know a name for it
22:52.51Atluxitycould it have something to do with me lagging?
22:53.21BulletCatcherThat's probably it.  I haven't heard of others killing themselves with GM on that map.
22:54.54Atluxitymy machine is so crappy... I try not to play with textures on or nothing
22:55.11Atluxityany guides on how to optimize the settings?
22:56.09BulletCatcherIf your computer is slow, turning off most of the display settings will help.
22:57.21BulletCatcherBZFlag doesn't need a fast computer, but a slow graphics card (or the wrong driver) can make it unbearable.
22:57.23Atluxityand not trying to game on servers with too many people on them
22:57.51BulletCatcherYes.  The fewer the number of players, the less data to be processed.
22:57.52Atluxityyeah, i noticed that the game got much slower after i upgraded to the lates ubuntu-release...
22:58.18BulletCatcherYou probably just need the right driver for hardware accelleration.
22:58.25Atluxityand that was also after i added 2GB of ram in my machin, before i had 512
22:58.36AtluxityI got to look into that, that is a good point
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22:59.31BulletCatcherIf the output of a "glxinfo | grep rendering" command does not say Yes, then you are using software rendering.
23:00.07Atluxityatluxity@Atlux-lap:~$ glxinfo | grep rendering
23:00.07Atluxityget fences failed: -1
23:00.07Atluxityparam: 6, val: 0
23:00.07Atluxitydirect rendering: Yes
23:00.51BulletCatcherThat looks okay.  What frame rate do you get from running the glxgears program?
23:01.48Atluxity~1060
23:02.24BulletCatcherThat is a bit low, but it should be enough.
23:02.58Atluxity~1080 now
23:03.15BulletCatcherPressing the T key in bzflag will show your frame rate above left center.  Anything above 30 is adequate.
23:03.56Atluxitythe servers also complain about my "jittering", that is different from my lag how?
23:04.07BulletCatcherJitter is variation in lag.
23:04.31BulletCatcherDo you have other programs running when you play?
23:05.21AtluxityI have pidgin and xchat... and one or two idle terminals.. I close firefox
23:05.36BulletCatcherThose shouldn't interfere.
23:06.29BulletCatcherAre there other computers at your house that may be downloading something?
23:06.49Atluxityjupp
23:07.41Atluxityhmm... could be looking into using some QoS on my router to give my trafic higher priority
23:07.59Atluxitybut bzflag isnt that bandwith intesive
23:08.09BulletCatcherEither that, or limit the transfer rate of the downloads.
23:08.52BulletCatcherNo, BZFlag doesn't use much bandwidth, but if your connection is already saturated then it will be unhappy.
23:10.23blast007if it's some P2P software, they tend to open a lot of connections that your router then has to keep track of
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23:57.57trepanhttp://trepan.bzflag.bz/noshow/bzmumble.png -- auto-connects to the appropriate channel from bzfs, could be setup to use a one-time channel password

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