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02:05.22CIA-77BZFlag: 03trepan * r20262 10/trunk/bzflag/ (3 files in 3 dirs): * timer touchups
02:08.53CIA-77BZFlag: 03trepan * r20263 10/trunk/bzflag/include/TimeKeeper.h: * fixed a comment
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03:06.46trepanhttp://trepan.bzflag.bz/db/bzfls.php?action=LISTLUA
03:06.56trepan(LISTJSON can also be used)
03:07.09trepan(note the addition of the 'owner' field)
03:07.28trepanand ya, should probably be done with &listformat=  ;)
03:21.44trepanbtw, it looks the action_add() is missing $ownerID in the INSERT command  (but it does get UPDATEd later on)
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06:57.32jcpDoes bzfx ever write back to the groupdb file?
06:57.41jcps/bzfx/bzfx/
06:57.47jcperg, s/bzfx/bzfs/
07:05.24jcphmm, /setgroup
07:05.36jcpDoes that write it back out to the groupdb file, or does that just update it in-memory?
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07:13.50Bambino<PROTECTED>
07:14.00Bambinofor userdb
07:14.05Bambinonot global
07:14.10Bambinolocal groups
07:14.12jcpBambino: so does that write it back out to the file, or does it just keep it in memory?
07:14.14jcpwait, what?
07:14.26Bambino-userdb "userdb.txt"
07:14.59Bambino<PROTECTED>
07:15.10Bambinotied to auth, not BZID
07:15.34jcpoh, ok
07:15.38BambinoI don't know much about it as I only use global groups
07:15.43jcpok
07:15.51jcpthen I won't plan on supporting it in bznetwork :)
07:16.22Bambinogood
07:16.28Bambinowould never allow it ;P
07:17.29jcp:)
07:33.39CIA-77BZFlag: 0395.116.15.54 07http://my.bzflag.org * r6565 10/w/Bz_eBanEvent: /* Data */
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08:53.20Janisi hope that tank-wheel spinning will be fixed in bz3.0
08:54.40Janiswheels*
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12:39.38joevanoI believe this may be some vandilism but would like another opinion http://my.bzflag.org/wiki/index.php?title=Bz_eBanEvent&diff=6566&oldid=4466
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12:59.01joevanocatay: especially you as you wrote the original page^^^
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13:07.37catayjoevano: looks like something was removed , yeah it's vandalism
13:07.48cataydarn kiddies :)
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13:09.21cataycan you revert it ? I'm on a different pc and don't remember my wiki password by heart. thanks.
13:09.37joevanoyeah doing it now
13:13.28CIA-77BZFlag: 03DonnyBaker 07http://my.bzflag.org * r6567 10/w/Bz_eBanEvent: Reverted edits by [[Special:Contributions/95.116.15.54|95.116.15.54]] ([[User talk:95.116.15.54|Talk]]); changed back to last version by [[User:Catay|Catay]]
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13:30.40brlcadmmm.. bzfs crash
13:39.25brlcadjoevano: happy birthday! :-)
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13:40.11joevanobrlcad: thanks
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14:02.40spldartYay! A birthday!
14:04.12joevanointeresting article about meetings http://paulgraham.com/makersschedule.html
14:14.41Manuhappy birthday joevano :)
14:14.59joevanoManu: ty
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14:32.33trepanhttp://trepan.bzflag.bz/db/bzfls.php?action=LIST&listformat=json  (json or lua)
14:35.45joevanotrepan: nice
14:39.07Gabe_G23joevano: happy b-day
14:39.47_WarPig_trepan: Is there documentation on the hexcode field somewhere?
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14:40.29trepanPing.cxx
14:40.33trepanthe 'fields' versions are only about 10% bigger then the current format, the penalty for flexibility  (could also add a "listfields" parameter)
14:41.17trepan_WarPig_: http://trepan.bzflag.bz/lobby.lua might also help  (handles both versions)
14:41.24trepan(BZFS0026 and current)
14:41.59_WarPig_trepan: thanks, that'll do :)
14:42.44CIA-77BZFlag: 03trepan * r20264 10/trunk/db/bzfls.php: * added the "&listformat=[lua|json]" optional parameter for the LIST action
14:43.26blasttrepan: isn't the code of that file just great?  ;)
14:44.09trepanisn't a big fan of PHP to start with
14:44.15blasthehe
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14:54.15CIA-77BZFlag: 03trepan * r20265 10/trunk/db/bzfls.php: * added the "list_format" form option, fixed the LIST "owner" query
14:58.48CIA-77BZFlag: 03trepan * r20266 10/trunk/db/bzfls.php: * removed a output comment
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15:16.24joevanobrlcad: nice interview, listened this morning... was surprised you don't have an east coast accent ;)
15:17.14joevanoGabe_G23: ty
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16:14.17brlcadjoevano: thanks.. though I'm not sure what an east coast accent would sound like .. :)
16:14.44brlcadunless it's a long island or jersey or boston or mississipi or some other "distinct" accent..
16:18.55CIA-77BZFlag: 03trepan * r20267 10/trunk/db/bzfls.php:
16:18.55CIA-77BZFlag: * refactored the list formatting code
16:18.55CIA-77BZFlag: * included the TOKEN results in the lua and json tables
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16:20.36CIA-77BZFlag: 03trepan * r20268 10/trunk/db/bzfls.php: * removed a testing FIXME
16:21.58trepanoops
16:22.27trepanjust killed all LIST authentication
16:23.17Janisnow all kill trepan
16:27.23CIA-77BZFlag: 03trepan * r20269 10/trunk/db/bzfls.php: * fixed the LIST token handling
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16:27.33iSandrowhat's up with global?
16:27.50trepanbroke it for a couple of minutes
16:27.54trepanshould be fixed now
16:29.52iSandrotrepan: it's good
16:29.54iSandrothx
16:29.56iSandrobai
16:37.11trepan~ask
16:37.12ibotQuestions in the channel should be specific, informative, complete, concise, and on-topic.  Don't ask if you can ask a question first.  Don't ask if a person is there; just ask what you intended to ask them.  Better questions more frequently yield better answers.  We are all here voluntarily or against our will.
16:37.15trepan... for Janis
16:37.37Janisty
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16:44.05cygalofir
16:44.11trepanfwiw,  "< Janis> i hope that tank-wheel spinning will be fixed in bz3.0"  -- was referring to paused tanks
16:48.24JefferyMthey spin for paused tanks?
16:50.34trepanbased on the last userSpeed and userAngVel settings
16:51.16JefferyMheh, that's mostly jut funny
16:51.23JefferyMtanks rarin to go
16:51.54trepanhm, or not; one sec -- depends on the PlayerState::UserInputs bit
16:52.04trepancould just be based on old relative speed
16:52.07JefferyMprobably whatever the last thing sent was
16:52.08JefferyMyeah
16:52.10trepaneither way, it's trivial
16:52.14JefferyMindeed
16:56.47bryjenleave 'em spin and make the pause bubble a cloud of smoke ;)
17:00.22JefferyMplay a constant screeching sound on the paused players computer, that'll make them come back faster
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17:39.58CIA-77BZFlag: 03trepan * r20270 10/trunk/db/bzfls.php: * renamed the 'raw' list format to 'plain'
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18:04.16JefferyMDTRemenak, Erroneous you ok?
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19:25.35CIA-77BZFlag: 03trepan * r20271 10/trunk/bzflag/src/clientbase/defaultBZDB.cxx: * removed the unused debugNewAngVel BZDB variable
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19:58.53trepani've got a lua'ed ServerList.cxx done, if anyone thinks it would be worth having the 'owner' data in the ServerInformation section
19:59.16JefferyMI don't think it's worth having in the list
19:59.49JefferyMI'd rather show it as part of the stats system
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20:00.06JefferyMit's not like they can do anything with it in game, but on the stats system I can link them to a PM to that name
20:00.57CIA-77BZFlag: 03trepan * r20272 10/trunk/bzflag/src/common/TimeKeeper.cxx: * changed a debug message level
20:02.19CIA-77BZFlag: 03trepan * r20273 10/trunk/bzflag/src/game/GameTime.cxx: * typo
20:13.47trepanJefferyM: they can't do anything with the server titles either, and yet they're there  ;)
20:13.57trepaneither way, i reverted my code; no big loss
20:14.20JefferyMthe titile is at least descriptive and would help them play, not sure if the owner does that
20:14.34JefferyMdid you redo the entire server list in lua?
20:23.28trepanhttp://my.bzflag.org/db/ -- see the list_format option (lua & json)
20:24.09trepani set listformat=lua, run the query result through luaL_loadbuffer(), and pulled out the data
20:24.16trepans/run/ran/
20:26.55CIA-77BZFlag: 03will07c5 * r20274 10/trunk/bzworkbench/src/ (model/BZWParser.cpp objects/base.cpp objects/zone.cpp): fixed a few problems with tabs not being recognized as whitespace
20:41.52mrapplecomputer1heh i think this actually turned out productive. right now it downloads an image off the internet (not webpage grrr i cant get that) and has an update button and a clear button. http://www.megaupload.com/?d=B30MEE79 tell me what you think ;)
20:45.40Bambinomrapplecomputer1: can you join Big mad city? it seems you're in some sort of ban
20:45.47mrapplecomputer1no
20:45.48mrapplecomputer1i cant
20:45.51Bambinohm
20:45.59mrapplecomputer1i was able to last night
20:46.08Bambinoodd
20:46.16mrapplecomputer1and youu mught want to kick the person with name Babmino sucks co*k
20:46.24BambinoI perm banned him
20:46.28mrapplecomputer1aha
20:46.31Bambinohe's Godson-2
20:46.41mrapplecomputer1who?
21:06.48JefferyMguys, /msg.. please
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21:32.12Allejowith the record match plugin is it possible to have different time limits?
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21:37.49blastJefferyM: I wasn't quite clear about your reply regarding using the same key for multiple hostnames
21:38.04JefferyMok
21:38.06blastare you saying that there is (or is going to be) some wildcard support?
21:38.10JefferyMno
21:38.38blastso what is the key tied to?  I thought it was tied to the public address
21:38.40JefferyMjust that the order of operations makes it so that as long as all the hostnames resolve to the same IP, you can use the same key
21:38.48JefferyMjust the IP of the request
21:38.50blastah
21:39.02JefferyMso if you have a.com and b.com pointing to the same machine
21:39.16blastnot sure I totally like that
21:39.19JefferyMand use a key you made for a.com on a server that is listed as b.com it'll work
21:39.37JefferyMthe point of the domain is JUST to protect the key, not tie it to a specific name
21:39.44blastactually nvm, they'd need my key
21:39.50JefferyMbassicly the key is tied to the IP
21:39.54blastyeah
21:39.56JefferyMnot the host
21:40.01JefferyMbut we do the IP lookup each time
21:40.40blastI was just thinking about if I wanted to let people using hosting.bzexcess.com, for instance, which maps to the same IP as bzexcess.com..  I wouldn't want them to use bzexcess.com
21:41.08blastso more of an issue on shared servers
21:41.10JefferyMso you would not want to be the owner of the instances they run right?
21:42.01blastwell, I wouldn't care about that.  I use "bzexcess.com" for more official servers
21:42.01JefferyMthe key dosn't change the listed hostname
21:42.01blastI know
21:42.18blastbut you're saying they could use their key for hosting.bzexcess.com, but put -publicaddr bzexcess.com?
21:42.19JefferyMyeah you can't use a key to protect a hostname
21:42.26JefferyMsure
21:42.29blastok
21:42.31JefferyMthe key isn't there to protect anything
21:42.34JefferyMjust set the owner
21:42.42blastalright, that clears it up :)
21:43.05blastwon't really be an issue for me, since all configuration will be done by me or through a web interface
21:43.10JefferyMyeah
21:43.17blastand even if it was, I could map that host to another IP
21:43.21blastI have a few
21:43.25JefferyMcool
21:43.26blastas do many servers
21:43.31blastreal servers*
21:43.50JefferyMyeah the people that it's a pain for woudl be the people that run multiple machines
21:43.53JefferyMor multiple IPs
21:43.59JefferyMand there arn't that many of those people
21:44.09blasteven then, they'd just need a key per IP
21:44.12JefferyMyeah
21:44.30JefferyMfor shared hosting, you decide if you want all your servers to have the same owner, or different owners
21:44.49JefferyMit's bassicly one key per owner-ip combo
21:45.08blastalright, sounds fine to me :)
21:46.55JefferyMthe important thing I think we need to say about the host part is that it's just there to prevent someone else from flaging you as the owner of a machine you don't want to own.
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21:50.37mrapplecomputer1thank you allejo!
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