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| 01:48.05 | synic | at what point should a player be able to shoot through walls when they have OO? |
| 01:49.18 | spldart | ? |
| 01:49.37 | synic | I swear I see people doing that occasionally |
| 01:50.00 | spldart | Yah know that oo can leave a tank part in and part out of 'sealed' |
| 01:50.07 | spldart | Or at least appear to be |
| 01:50.29 | synic | pretty sure these guys are totally covered |
| 01:50.37 | synic | it's like they have super bullets |
| 01:51.10 | spldart | Well... that sounds like a cheat. The entire tank is inside of structure, as in OO, and they are shooting out? |
| 01:51.25 | synic | correct |
| 01:51.45 | spldart | Is this on a server where record/replay is possible? |
| 01:51.57 | spldart | would like to see |
| 01:52.03 | synic | I don't know, I didn't even know you could do that |
| 01:52.08 | synic | it's on planet-mofo free for all |
| 01:52.16 | spldart | Ah... |
| 01:52.22 | spldart | I'm not a cop there... |
| 01:52.32 | spldart | Wait a bit and I'm sure an admin will pop in |
| 01:52.39 | spldart | ... eventually |
| 01:52.44 | synic | how prevalent are cheats in bzflag? |
| 01:53.00 | spldart | They happen semi regularly |
| 01:53.08 | spldart | our game state logic is client side |
| 01:53.17 | synic | that's kind of annoying |
| 01:53.24 | spldart | so creative coding and compiling is an issue from time to time |
| 01:53.51 | spldart | Hopefully game state logic will go server side soon enough and eliminate much of that |
| 01:54.01 | synic | that'd be awesome |
| 01:54.10 | spldart | Yes it would... but a lot of work |
| 01:54.13 | synic | I'm at the point now where I can't even tell if I'm just being paranoid |
| 01:54.17 | JeffM | it will not |
| 01:54.21 | spldart | We are always looking for a 'few good men' |
| 01:55.01 | synic | it sucks, I feel like I want to cheat just so I'm cheating with everyone else :P |
| 01:56.11 | blast007 | synic: some maps might make it possible to shoot out of certain objects |
| 01:56.18 | blast007 | like mofo has that as a feature |
| 01:56.46 | blast007 | I know you can shoot out of several parts of the central cake, and I think also from the pyramid things |
| 01:56.55 | synic | how can you tell which ones you're supposed to be able to shoot out of? |
| 01:57.10 | blast007 | can't remember, I barely play there |
| 01:57.38 | blast007 | might not be any real indication, might be transparent, etc |
| 01:57.45 | spldart | You could always save the map and then look through the map code. See if 'shoot through' is in the map |
| 01:58.09 | spldart | But don't host without permission. |
| 01:58.15 | synic | k |
| 01:58.17 | blast007 | spldart: might just be a one sided mesh too |
| 01:58.22 | synic | I'm just going to jump in and try this out |
| 01:58.25 | spldart | w0rd |
| 01:59.59 | me1 | synic, mofo has one-sided meshes |
| 02:00.02 | me1 | that's part of the map |
| 02:00.10 | me1 | you get OO and shoot out from it |
| 02:00.12 | me1 | try it some time |
| 02:00.33 | me1 | (the pyramids and the inner 'cake' have OO areas) |
| 02:15.21 | CBG | IIRC, the mofo map actually has rooms inside the cake that you can get into with OO but can shoot out of without any flag as the external walls are shootthrough in that direction. |
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| 16:36.28 | JefferyM | joevano, blast007 was the poster of that moved message notified? |
| 16:39.51 | Yassen | The BZFlag VC++ project files needs to be updated too. The include path needs to have '..\..\src\clientlib' and '..\..\src\bzflag' in it as well. |
| 16:40.41 | JefferyM | so you have said, more then once. |
| 16:42.16 | blast007 | Yassen: I did that about 5 hours ago |
| 16:42.44 | blast007 | or is something still broken? |
| 16:43.03 | blast007 | I didn't do a full rebuild after changing the path, probably should have |
| 16:43.18 | Yassen | blast007, you did the bzadmin project file, the bzflag project file needs to be updated too |
| 16:44.08 | blast007 | that built fine for me |
| 16:44.38 | blast007 | what target were you building? |
| 16:44.45 | blast007 | debug_distribution worked for me |
| 16:45.04 | Yassen | okay, then the release_distribution is out of date then. |
| 16:45.22 | JefferyM | probably |
| 16:45.29 | JefferyM | since we haven't done a release ;) |
| 16:53.08 | blast007 | Yassen: see if it works now |
| 16:53.31 | CIA-60 | BZFlag: 03blast007 * r19785 10/trunk/bzflag/MSVC/build/bzflag.vcproj: Update the bzflag project file as well. |
| 16:55.25 | Yassen | looks good |
| 16:57.59 | blast007 | k |
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| 18:03.50 | temp_work | yo |
| 18:03.57 | temp_work | sry ww |
| 18:04.51 | Will07c5 | I'm going to start work on bzworkbench since I think I have enough understanding of OSG and FLTK |
| 18:05.47 | Will07c5 | I'm going to fix whatever is preventing bzwb from loading obj files first |
| 18:06.04 | JefferyM | that's a minor minor feature |
| 18:06.08 | JefferyM | I'd not worry about it |
| 18:06.26 | JefferyM | since we have modeltool that can do obj to bzw conversions |
| 18:06.28 | Will07c5 | actually without it bzwb can't display any of the objects |
| 18:06.47 | JefferyM | why does it need to read the OBJ file format to display a map? |
| 18:07.19 | Will07c5 | for the meshes that represent objects like pyramids and boxes |
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| 18:07.45 | JefferyM | it saves those out to OBJ? it should build the geometry for those at runtime |
| 18:07.49 | JefferyM | since they are parametric |
| 18:08.03 | Will07c5 | well that is how he did it apparently |
| 18:08.10 | JefferyM | are you sure? |
| 18:08.22 | JefferyM | cus if so, that is TOTALY wrong |
| 18:08.36 | JefferyM | you'd have an obj file for each box |
| 18:08.45 | Will07c5 | it refuses to display any of the objects, giving an error about obj files |
| 18:09.10 | JefferyM | track down why it dosn't display objects, I bet it dosn't have to do with obj files |
| 18:09.11 | Will07c5 | I think it is just for the base object which can then be manipulated by OSG |
| 18:09.14 | JefferyM | it's probalby just a bad plugin |
| 18:09.22 | JefferyM | still, they should not be OBJ |
| 18:09.31 | JefferyM | they should be created in OSG Memory |
| 18:09.34 | JefferyM | and just kept there |
| 18:09.59 | Will07c5 | If it uses obj files, do you want me to change it so it doesn't? |
| 18:10.57 | JefferyM | oh hell yes |
| 18:10.57 | Will07c5 | alright |
| 18:10.57 | JefferyM | there should not be any temp files needed to display a map |
| 18:11.26 | Will07c5 | I agree anyway I'm going to restart into linux since I don't have bzwb on this windows install |
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| 18:17.37 | Will07c5 | ok unless you have anything else you want to tell me I'm going to get started |
| 18:17.54 | JefferyM | getting it to draw a map == a good start ;) |
| 18:18.14 | Will07c5 | yes that would be important :) |
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| 19:32.20 | blast007 | yeah, it does seem to use OBJ files ;) |
| 19:32.35 | blast007 | share/box/box.obj |
| 19:37.36 | blast007 | errors out with OSG 2.8.0 |
| 19:37.55 | blast007 | probably something that was provided back in OSG 2.0 |
| 19:41.45 | blast007 | (I'm also using the binary build of OSG from their site. I didn't build from source.) |
| 20:04.09 | JefferyM | yeah we should not have to use temporary files |
| 20:04.22 | blast007 | they're aren't temporary |
| 20:04.41 | JefferyM | then he must do some very ticky material work to make the map look right |
| 20:04.51 | JefferyM | since UVs on boxes are parmetric to the size |
| 20:05.28 | blast007 | I'm updating the project files so that it uses the environment variables again |
| 20:07.55 | blast007 | gonna work on post-build steps next |
| 20:08.01 | CIA-60 | BZFlag: 03blast007 * r19786 10/trunk/bzworkbench/ (MSVC/BZWorkbench.vcproj README.MSWindows): |
| 20:08.01 | CIA-60 | BZFlag: Update the include and library paths to use the OSG_ROOT and FLTK_ROOT environment variables. Also include all of the libraries for the Release build. |
| 20:08.01 | CIA-60 | BZFlag: Update the README.MSWindows to reflect more recent changes, and fix some spelling/grammar issues. |
| 20:35.38 | Will07c5 | JefferyM: how important is it to have the UVs be right? |
| 20:35.46 | JefferyM | rather |
| 20:36.40 | blast007 | hmm, not sure if the binary of OSG has PNG support eigher |
| 20:36.40 | JefferyM | the idea is to be able to show the map as it will be shown |
| 20:36.42 | blast007 | either* |
| 20:37.00 | Will07c5 | yeah it wasn't loading pngs for me |
| 20:37.24 | JefferyM | fun |
| 20:37.52 | Will07c5 | JefferyM: ok, it would probably be best to look at how bzflag generates the meshes |
| 20:38.02 | JefferyM | I have some docs on that somewhere |
| 20:38.04 | JefferyM | one sec |
| 20:38.10 | Will07c5 | alright |
| 20:40.08 | JefferyM | wishes sourceforge actualy worked |
| 20:40.23 | Will07c5 | heh |
| 20:40.37 | blast007 | ah, guess there is plugins |
| 20:40.43 | blast007 | so I found the obj and png loaders ;) |
| 20:41.02 | blast007 | .\OpenSceneGraph-2.8.0\bin\osgPlugins-2.8.0\ |
| 20:41.49 | Will07c5 | ah I don't have the plugins package installed |
| 20:42.49 | blast007 | I got the -all package |
| 20:42.55 | JefferyM | http://bzflag.cvs.sourceforge.net/viewvc/bzflag/tools/bzedit/format_notes.txt?view=markup |
| 20:42.56 | Will07c5 | hmm... it still isn't working even after installing the package |
| 20:43.01 | blast007 | though I also needed the 3rd party libs package |
| 20:43.09 | Will07c5 | I'm using linux |
| 20:43.13 | blast007 | for libpng13d.dll and zlibd.dll |
| 20:43.15 | blast007 | oh |
| 20:43.22 | JefferyM | that's box and pyrmaid |
| 20:43.30 | JefferyM | base is a box with a special top and bottom |
| 20:43.46 | Will07c5 | JefferyM: thanks |
| 20:44.09 | JefferyM | copies it to the wiki so he can turn CVS off on sf |
| 20:46.12 | CIA-60 | BZFlag: 03JeffM2501 07http://my.bzflag.org * r5831 10/w/BZW.Rendering: notes on how the basic objects are rendered. |
| 20:46.14 | JefferyM | http://my.bzflag.org/w/BZW.Rendering |
| 20:46.38 | Will07c5 | if only OSG had better docs this whole thing would be much easier |
| 20:47.17 | JefferyM | I'm not 100% sure it's worth it |
| 20:47.21 | JefferyM | but it's what they used |
| 20:48.34 | Will07c5 | I think it would be pretty hard to switch to something else |
| 20:48.49 | JefferyM | OSG gives us materials |
| 20:48.51 | JefferyM | that's about it |
| 20:49.05 | JefferyM | we'll see what we can do with it |
| 20:50.23 | blast007 | world loading is borked ;) |
| 20:50.23 | blast007 | BZWParser::loadFile(): Error! Could not open input stream |
| 20:50.43 | Will07c5 | great more stuff to fix |
| 20:53.22 | CIA-60 | BZFlag: 03blast007 * r19787 10/trunk/bzworkbench/MSVC/BZWorkbench.vcproj: Add post-build events to copy the .exe and the necessary OSG .dll files to the root of the source directory. |
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| 21:11.42 | blast007 | loading seems broke because fcStaticBuffer gets corrupted after fc is deleted (look at src/commonControls.cpp line 89 and 90) |
| 21:11.58 | blast007 | the comment says that should work, but apparently not ;) |
| 21:13.23 | blast007 | and I don't know enough about pointers to determine a proper fix |
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| 23:36.33 | CIA-60 | BZFlag: 03dtremenak * r19788 10/trunk/bzworkbench/src/commonControls.cpp: don't read from memory that has been deallocated |
| 23:36.38 | Erroneous | blast007: does that fix it? |
| 23:44.17 | CIA-60 | BZFlag: 03trepan * r19789 10/trunk/bzworkbench/ (MSVC/BZWorkbench.vcproj src/OSFile.cpp src/OSFile.cxx): * renamed OSFile.cxx to OSFile.cpp |
| 23:44.52 | CIA-60 | BZFlag: 03trepan * r19790 10/trunk/bzworkbench/ (Makefile src/Makefile): * added crappy Makefiles |
| 23:45.11 | trepan | ... enough to build |
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