| 00:02.55 | BulletCatcher | What version of xcode are other Mac developers using? I had to revert from 2.5 to 2.4.1 to get autogen.sh to work, but that was before it was upgraded a few weeks ago. |
| 00:04.46 | AAA_awright | Multiple tanks shareing a connection ID? |
| 00:04.50 | AAA_awright | *sharing |
| 00:08.48 | JBdiGriz | BulletCatcher: On this machine, I'm using 3.1.2 |
| 00:11.00 | BulletCatcher | With 10.5? |
| 00:11.20 | JBdiGriz | 3.1.2 requires 10.5 |
| 00:11.34 | JBdiGriz | I can check on my 10.4 machine, but it's at home. |
| 00:11.48 | BulletCatcher | I haven't checked recently, but I think 2.5 is the latest xcode for MacOS 10.4. |
| 00:13.23 | JBdiGriz | On my 10.4 machine, it looks like 2.4.1, but I haven't tried compiling there for a while. |
| 00:14.28 | BulletCatcher | I successfully built r19701 on 10.4 with 2.4.1. |
| 00:16.28 | JBdiGriz | 19705 just compiled on 10.5 with 3.1.2 |
| 00:16.35 | delusional | Ive got 3.1.2 on OSX 10.5... a long time ago someone told me to use autogen and configure from the terminal before opening the xcodeproj. |
| 00:17.04 | JBdiGriz | There is a dependency in the xcode project, so you'll get an error |
| 00:17.18 | delusional | it's possible that the xcodeproj may be missing something when it configures. |
| 00:18.27 | JBdiGriz | The sources are missing a file which is created during the configure. Once it is there, it will happily recreate it. |
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| 00:21.20 | BulletCatcher | I'll bite. Which file? |
| 00:35.52 | JBdiGriz | BZFlag-Info.plist |
| 00:41.19 | BulletCatcher | If we wanted to, we could commit that file to SVN and manually update it when the BZFlag version changes, just like we do with configure.ac and buildDate.cxx for the Linux and Windows platforms, respectively. |
| 00:42.25 | BulletCatcher | But that would only be necessary to support the xcode GUI. |
| 00:48.02 | delusional | you only need to do autogen and configure from the terminal once, when you get fresh source |
| 01:18.46 | Bulldozer | BulletCatcher: Warzone 2100 has a spectacular Xcode project if you want ideas on how to generate the plist files, etc. |
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| 04:09.46 | blast007 | JeffM: I'm updating the Windows ReadMe (HTML version) that we ship with the installer, since we kinda don't support Windows 95/98 anymore |
| 04:10.15 | JeffM | ok |
| 04:10.39 | JeffM | all we really have to mention is xp and vista |
| 04:10.45 | blast007 | is 64MB of RAM still enough to run the game? (assuming 2000 Pro SP4 or XP) |
| 04:10.53 | JeffM | sure |
| 04:10.58 | blast007 | k |
| 04:11.04 | JeffM | we use 13 megs IIRC |
| 04:12.01 | trepan | blast007: depends a little on the map ;-) |
| 04:12.06 | JeffM | true |
| 04:12.13 | blast007 | I peaked at 42MB just loading the main menu :P |
| 04:12.18 | trepan | also depends on the lua scripts ... |
| 04:12.32 | JeffM | say 256meg and be done with it. |
| 04:12.37 | blast007 | k |
| 04:12.43 | JeffM | nothing says we have to be hella accurate, it's FREE |
| 04:12.57 | blast007 | I'm also going to include a link to the Getting Started page |
| 04:13.00 | JeffM | k |
| 04:13.12 | JeffM | I don't think we WANT the guy with the 128meg system playing ;) |
| 04:13.18 | blast007 | hehe |
| 04:13.46 | a_meteorite | even XP on 256MB is painful anymore |
| 04:13.57 | JeffM | exactly |
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| 05:14.30 | Bulldozer | JeffM: When we were talking earlier about setting an extra "flag" for being a bot or having updates... |
| 05:14.53 | JeffM | record techincaly |
| 05:14.57 | Bulldozer | Were you referring to something other than PlayerInfo.type ? |
| 05:14.57 | JeffM | in the MsgEnter |
| 05:15.02 | JeffM | yes |
| 05:15.10 | JeffM | player type should not == if you get messages |
| 05:15.36 | Bulldozer | I think I'm not quite following. |
| 05:15.51 | JeffM | the player type just says if it's a bot or not right? |
| 05:16.22 | AAA_awright | There is also a "light" player type for bzadmin I thought (or was that a different field?) |
| 05:16.28 | Bulldozer | PlayerType is enum TankPlayer, ComputerPlayer (bot), or ChatPlayer, not sure what the latter is |
| 05:16.38 | JeffM | thats for bzadmin |
| 05:16.43 | JeffM | ok, so that's basicly bot or not |
| 05:16.50 | JeffM | with a combo for bzadmin players |
| 05:16.53 | JeffM | this is not clean |
| 05:17.12 | Bulldozer | Yeah, not at all along the lines of what we were discussing earlier |
| 05:17.18 | JeffM | since we use the "type" to decide what messages we send to the player |
| 05:17.26 | JeffM | yeah this how it is now |
| 05:17.27 | JeffM | it sucks |
| 05:17.31 | JeffM | we want to change it |
| 05:17.44 | JeffM | leave the type as the type and add a NEW record to that structure |
| 05:17.58 | JeffM | that tells us if we are supposed to get updates or not |
| 05:18.07 | AAA_awright | 3 = robot w/o updates |
| 05:18.24 | JeffM | then we change all the places in the code that are checking if the player is a bot to decide if it gets updates to use the new record |
| 05:18.35 | JeffM | so that we can set bot and updates seperately |
| 05:22.14 | Bulldozer | So, PlayerInfo.type = {TankPlayer,ComputerPlayer,ChatPlayer}, and then PlayerInfo.updates = {UpdateNone,UpdateMsg,UpdateAll} |
| 05:22.20 | Bulldozer | Something along those lines? |
| 05:22.23 | JeffM | sure |
| 05:23.45 | JeffM | there are a lot of places in the server where I think we missuse isBot too |
| 05:23.59 | AAA_awright | How about PlayerInfo.updates is a bit mask instead |
| 05:24.22 | Bulldozer | isBot =~ (PlayerInfo.type == ComputerPlayer) |
| 05:24.28 | JeffM | and the advantage of that? AAA_awright ? |
| 05:24.54 | JeffM | yeah but we use isbot for stuff that robots should be able to do, etc.. |
| 05:25.06 | AAA_awright | I want player updates, no messages. This might be useful, for instance, if bzfs ever selectively sends messages based on position or something |
| 05:25.22 | JeffM | AAA_awright: we can add more enum types for the same effect |
| 05:25.31 | JeffM | we have more then 32 messages, so a mask adds nothing |
| 05:25.51 | JeffM | thats why I was thinking it could be it's own message so we coudl send it more then once |
| 05:26.06 | JeffM | like flag negotiation but for messages |
| 05:26.18 | AAA_awright | You don't need all 32... |
| 05:26.48 | AAA_awright | hm, you do need to differentiate between messages sent to everyone and messages sent to one person |
| 05:26.58 | JeffM | huh? |
| 05:27.56 | AAA_awright | We don't need to go through the entire code, we could do it at the send function level, send to all would not send to players with PlayerInfo.updates = false set |
| 05:28.09 | JeffM | you are not making sense |
| 05:28.15 | AAA_awright | Sorry' |
| 05:28.38 | JeffM | I think what you mean is to define groups of messages that clients could choose to not be sent |
| 05:28.51 | JeffM | and that is the eventual goal |
| 05:28.58 | JeffM | for right now we just need something that works for bzrobots |
| 05:29.19 | AAA_awright | We don't want to replicate messages to clients, have a bit that says this client is a duplicate and don't send global messages (player updates, etc) to that client |
| 05:29.20 | JeffM | I would not do it with a bitmask eventualy, I'd have the client and server list what message codes they want |
| 05:29.44 | AAA_awright | Scratch the bit mask that was silly yes |
| 05:29.51 | JeffM | sure, but we also want things like bzadmin to be able to say what it wants |
| 05:29.59 | JeffM | it'd be message negotiation |
| 05:30.03 | JeffM | "here is what I want" |
| 05:30.19 | JeffM | then the server says "ok" or "no, I dont' know what that message is" |
| 05:30.57 | JeffM | but I do not want Bulldozer to do that large of a change right now |
| 05:31.06 | JeffM | we just need to get bzrobots down to one connection per bot |
| 05:31.23 | JeffM | with out hacking in another player "type" |
| 05:31.31 | JeffM | we can expand how the new fields are used later |
| 05:32.11 | AAA_awright | The only change I see is we need to know which clients already get global data and don't send messages to those clients, that would be a new single bit field. |
| 05:32.40 | JeffM | yes, that is the "updates" field we are talking about |
| 05:33.13 | AAA_awright | And that would be an easy change because bzfs uses different functions for send to everyone/send to a connection already, just implement it in the send to all (I forget exactly) function |
| 05:33.33 | JeffM | it actualy blockes it now using the isBot thing |
| 05:33.37 | JeffM | at a high level |
| 05:33.40 | JeffM | I'm looking at the code |
| 05:33.54 | JeffM | we know how to do our tasks ;) |
| 05:34.53 | JeffM | well isBot and isHuman |
| 05:35.32 | Bulldozer | which are more or less the same thing, since they both check aspects of PlayerInfo.type |
| 05:35.36 | JeffM | yeah |
| 05:35.46 | JeffM | that's the part I don't like |
| 05:37.37 | Bulldozer | okay, so this http://bzflag.pastebin.ca/1402567 into global.h alongside enum PlayerType |
| 05:37.57 | JeffM | sure, but there is a lot more to it then that |
| 05:38.03 | Bulldozer | oh yeah |
| 05:38.08 | Bulldozer | but it builds off that |
| 05:38.15 | Bulldozer | the type names are OK? |
| 05:38.21 | JeffM | sure |
| 05:38.23 | JeffM | it's just names |
| 05:38.33 | JeffM | I'd asign them values |
| 05:38.42 | JeffM | so that you are sure they will be packed right |
| 05:38.48 | Bulldozer | kk |
| 05:38.52 | AAA_awright | On the side, does anyone use Eclipse for C++? Any other good IDE for Ubuntu/Linux? |
| 05:39.34 | Bulldozer | I used a gnome something a while back, but wasn't much impressed |
| 05:40.06 | Bulldozer | Mostly use jEdit and the command line now |
| 05:41.48 | Bulldozer | Under Linux, anyway |
| 05:50.14 | PrezKennedyII | jEdit is my favorite as well |
| 05:50.30 | biggeruniverse | I <3 jedit |
| 05:52.49 | Constitution | emacs ftw |
| 05:52.50 | PrezKennedyII | ive been using it for about 8 or 9 years now |
| 05:53.07 | biggeruniverse | emacs bah |
| 05:53.08 | trepan | joe - nice a simple |
| 05:53.20 | biggeruniverse | I used that years and years ago. I liked vi better |
| 05:53.24 | biggeruniverse | let the war begin |
| 05:53.26 | JeffM | DTRemenak: yuu there? |
| 05:55.27 | Bulldozer | JeffM: You guys like little patches as we go, or bigger patches that actually do things? |
| 05:56.42 | JeffM | many little commits |
| 05:56.54 | JeffM | that way we can rollback specific problems if they happen |
| 05:56.59 | JeffM | and it's simpler to follow the code |
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| 06:03.40 | AAA_awright | It looks like bzfscron still joins as a player |
| 06:05.50 | AAA_awright | If the authentication was made into its own packet, you would be able to send server commands without needing MsgEnter perhaps |
| 06:18.01 | Constitution | yay new get a mac ads |
| 06:18.09 | biggeruniverse | yay? |
| 06:24.05 | CIA-60 | BZFlag: 03Bulldozer 07http://my.bzflag.org * r5784 10/w/Bots: New page: There are three different kinds of "Bots" in BZFlag: * AutoPilot * SoloBots * BZRobots ==AutoPilot== With a standard key mapping, the "9" key will turn on the AutoPilot. Note that some se... |
| 06:24.48 | Constitution | ~bulldozer++ |
| 06:32.29 | CIA-60 | BZFlag: 03kingrobot * r19706 10/trunk/bzflag/ (3 files in 2 dirs): Updated PlayerInfo to allow setting which updates should be sent to a player |
| 06:37.41 | Bulldozer | biggeruniverse: Yes, yay; PCs are now 100% trouble free! |
| 06:42.15 | JeffM | AAA_awright: it uses a server side player |
| 06:42.25 | JeffM | so it will never get any messages ;) |
| 06:45.33 | biggeruniverse | PCs have been 100% trouble free since 1981 |
| 06:45.39 | biggeruniverse | just as the advertising guys |
| 06:46.04 | Constitution | right... |
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| 07:07.20 | CIA-60 | BZFlag: 03kingrobot * r19707 10/trunk/bzflag/src/game/PlayerInfo.cxx: Set default updates for player to all updates |
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| 09:19.10 | AAA_awright | It looks like there is no need to add new functions and fields, the functionality to send to or ignore some clients when sending broadcast messages is already in the function |
| 09:19.59 | AAA_awright | As is you can selectively broadcast to (I presume) bzadmin clients, just add a new bit that selects bots that opt in/opt out to broadcast messages |
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| 16:06.28 | steerpike | anyone from bzexcess here? |
| 16:10.02 | dexter- | steerpike, yessir |
| 16:10.54 | dexter- | sup? |
| 16:11.22 | dexter- | you can ask in ##bzexcess too, if you're not requesting an admin on missile wars.. |
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| 16:22.58 | Frances92 | hi :) |
| 16:25.42 | Frances92 | ok.. bye... |
| 16:34.44 | dexter- | I thought constituion wrote a patch so hiddenadmins also saw playerslots? |
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| 17:38.21 | ts | ~seen menotume |
| 17:38.24 | ibot | menotume <n=menotume@bzflag/contributor/menotume> was last seen on IRC in channel ##kierra, 18d 51m 20s ago, saying: 'who be that ?'. |
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| 18:01.57 | Artox | does someone know wether in a 2 monitor widescreen setup it is possible to have bzflag run on just 1 monitor? |
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| 18:05.40 | ruskie | Artox, run it in a window |
| 18:05.46 | ruskie | or to be precise windowed |
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| 19:32.13 | jcp | Is there a way in 2.0 to tell a server, via some sort of packet, to send only chat messages, deaths, and such, over tcp, and not player position updates? |
| 19:38.47 | JeffM | jcp: you can probably set your player type to chat client |
| 19:38.51 | JeffM | aka, bzadmin |
| 19:39.37 | jcp | Which packet do you use for that? |
| 19:39.45 | jcp | s/packet/packet type/ |
| 19:39.52 | JeffM | MsgEnter IIRC |
| 19:39.58 | JeffM | it's the player type field |
| 19:40.07 | JeffM | it can be set to player, computer player, or chat player |
| 19:40.22 | jcp | ok, thanks |
| 19:40.25 | JeffM | what are you trying to do? |
| 19:40.52 | jcp | Connect an IRC bot I wrote to my server |
| 19:41.04 | jcp | Except it will work a bit differently |
| 19:41.12 | JeffM | why not just have the server connect to IRC? |
| 19:41.24 | jcp | What do you mean? |
| 19:41.34 | JeffM | write a server plugin that joins an IRC channel |
| 19:41.46 | JeffM | rather then have an IRC bot join a bzflag game |
| 19:41.55 | JeffM | there are a number of IRC libs |
| 19:42.03 | brad | already is a plugin for that..although it needs work |
| 19:42.10 | JeffM | there are 2 |
| 19:42.14 | brad | :O |
| 19:42.15 | jcp | I know. What I have in mind is different than that |
| 19:42.24 | JeffM | and what do you have in mind? |
| 19:43.02 | jcp | A bot that can do stuff like kick for spamming and respond to inquiries and stuff |
| 19:43.13 | JeffM | a server plugin can do that |
| 19:43.16 | jcp | But I wrote the IRC bot myself, so it's not hard to have it connect to bzflag if I know the protocol |
| 19:43.21 | JeffM | but whatever floats your boat |
| 19:43.28 | jcp | I know, but I can code a bot in java ;) |
| 19:43.34 | JeffM | yeah but the bzflag protcoll changes |
| 19:43.57 | jcp | But how significantly? |
| 19:43.59 | JeffM | server side has less abbuse uses |
| 19:44.09 | JeffM | the 3.0 proto is signifigantly different |
| 19:44.48 | JeffM | you'll have to have your irc client get a token |
| 19:44.51 | JeffM | and authenticate too |
| 19:44.59 | JeffM | or do you just plan on sending /password ? |
| 19:45.06 | jcp | No, global auth |
| 19:45.16 | JeffM | then you'll need to hit the list server and maintain a token |
| 19:45.18 | JeffM | via HTTP |
| 19:45.22 | jcp | I already have some java code that will connect to a server and authenticate and get a list of players and stuff |
| 19:45.32 | jcp | It just joins as an observer, not as a chat client |
| 19:45.36 | JeffM | do you plan on releasing your spam tools? |
| 19:45.40 | jcp | which is why I was wondering about the packet |
| 19:45.41 | jcp | huh? |
| 19:45.45 | jcp | Oh |
| 19:45.47 | jcp | I don't know |
| 19:45.47 | JeffM | that's what you are writing ;) |
| 19:45.56 | JeffM | you may not see it, but that's what it is |
| 19:46.00 | JeffM | automated server anoyance |
| 19:46.11 | jcp | ...on my own server |
| 19:46.20 | JeffM | that is why I asked if you were going to release it |
| 19:46.29 | JeffM | the only think keeping it on your servers is you |
| 19:46.37 | JeffM | when you are taken out of the equasion.... |
| 19:46.54 | jcp | wonders if JeffM has head of a ban |
| 19:47.06 | JeffM | but for 2.0 it's probalby the only way to do it all |
| 19:47.11 | jcp | iow, if someone else were to see the code and start joining people's servers without permission, then they would get banned |
| 19:47.14 | JeffM | cus the API dosn't have all the functions |
| 19:47.23 | JeffM | no, just trying to get an idea of where you are going |
| 19:47.28 | JeffM | and if you've thought it through |
| 19:47.52 | JeffM | yes, you CAN ban them, but that's a pain in the butt if someone starts hitting up all the server |
| 19:47.58 | JeffM | or use a proxy etc.. |
| 19:48.11 | jcp | But they might as well just connect with a modified cheat client and start spamming |
| 19:48.12 | JeffM | just the fact that that toolset exists makes it tempting for a greifer |
| 19:48.17 | jcp | or spam with a regular client |
| 19:48.19 | JeffM | that's harder |
| 19:48.26 | JeffM | cus the client is heavy |
| 19:48.34 | JeffM | you have a lightweight scriptable connection system ;) |
| 19:48.41 | JeffM | it could hit hundreds of servers |
| 19:49.05 | jcp | Right. It's only like 600 lines of code or so |
| 19:49.07 | JeffM | not saying that people will, just that with that toolkit it becomes a lot simpler |
| 19:49.33 | jcp | so they could just write it themselves if they were intent on griefing people |
| 19:49.33 | JeffM | 600 lines of code that don't fire up openGL or curses ;) |
| 19:49.33 | jcp | and it can't kick or ban spammers anyway without admin perms |
| 19:49.34 | JeffM | sure they could |
| 19:49.45 | JeffM | you don't see my point, it's ok |
| 19:49.47 | JeffM | have fun |
| 19:50.23 | JeffM | 3.0 has a plugin that will have the server join an IRC channel, and then you could code it to do all the bans and stuff |
| 19:50.33 | JeffM | and since it's a plugin it's always authenticated |
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| 19:50.50 | JeffM | how do you plan on doing IRC user -> bot auth? |
| 19:51.32 | jcp | JeffM: what do you mean? |
| 19:51.39 | JeffM | bot is in your channel |
| 19:51.41 | JeffM | you are in your channel |
| 19:51.44 | JeffM | I am in your channel |
| 19:51.48 | JeffM | you tell bot to ban player X |
| 19:51.48 | jcp | No |
| 19:51.51 | jcp | I don't think you're quite getting it |
| 19:51.52 | JeffM | I tell bot to ban player Y |
| 19:51.58 | JeffM | possibly |
| 19:52.03 | jcp | I'm re-coding part of it so that it functions as a bzflag bot |
| 19:52.08 | jcp | with no association to irc at that point |
| 19:52.13 | JeffM | ohhhh |
| 19:52.14 | JeffM | I see |
| 19:52.27 | JeffM | so you are just making a java bzadmin |
| 19:52.33 | jcp | pretty much |
| 19:52.36 | jcp | only it's automated |
| 19:52.44 | JeffM | how does it get input? |
| 19:53.47 | jcp | huh? |
| 19:53.55 | JeffM | how does it know who to ban and when? |
| 19:54.18 | jcp | Pretty much configuration that server admins can set via pm to it |
| 19:54.39 | JeffM | so they tell the bot to ban? |
| 19:54.43 | jcp | Not quite |
| 19:54.50 | jcp | that would make it kind of pointless ;) |
| 19:54.53 | JeffM | indeed |
| 19:55.22 | jcp | I could send it a pm telling it to ban people that send more than X chat messages every X seconds |
| 19:55.29 | jcp | not just the same chat message |
| 19:55.37 | jcp | and it would store that |
| 19:55.45 | JeffM | sounds a lot like a plugin that just has a lot of features |
| 19:55.47 | jcp | and I could also instruct it to ban people trying to use the /me hack |
| 19:55.59 | jcp | pretty much. I just code better in java than c++ |
| 19:56.20 | JeffM | and you waste a player slot, and build a spam toolkit ;) |
| 19:56.29 | JeffM | whatever floats your boat |
| 19:56.46 | jcp | :) |
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| 20:44.48 | AAA_awright | jcp: That isn't supported in 0026 though |
| 20:47.48 | JeffM | ahh did we add that for 3? |
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