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| 01:10.29 | BurnXI | Winny or Constitution? |
| 01:10.33 | BurnXI | Oh, and hi ppl/ |
| 01:10.34 | BurnXI | =) |
| 01:10.38 | brlcad | howdy |
| 01:11.24 | BurnXI | Hows it going? |
| 01:16.52 | JeffM | swimingly |
| 01:17.38 | ahs3- | hi |
| 01:17.49 | Constitution | BurnXI: talk to ahs3- |
| 01:22.05 | BurnXI | Thanks all - good evening. |
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| 02:44.51 | Yassen | is it a new feature that you lose your flag if you tk? |
| 02:45.28 | Yassen | oh, nevermind. It's another problem with the bots |
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| 03:17.31 | a_meteorite | ~bzsvn |
| 03:17.32 | ibot | methinks bzsvn is http://my.bzflag.org/w/BZFlag_SVN and svn co https://bzflag.svn.sourceforge.net/svnroot/bzflag/trunk/bzflag bzflag |
| 03:36.50 | brlcad | trepan: no, not really -- that one really should be a complete consensus, not something any one or two (or three) folks decide to stir up and change |
| 03:37.42 | brlcad | it's standardized so we don't have to hash out these decisions (again) unless everyone wants to change it, otherwise there's not much point and everyone's personal preference is another distraction |
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| 03:55.33 | andresj | hey, is it at all possible to run bzflag on a web server? |
| 03:55.58 | a_meteorite | depends on your idea of "web server" |
| 03:56.22 | a_meteorite | the literal web server such as apache/lighttpd/etc or the web server as in the computer that serves sites on the side? |
| 03:56.39 | andresj | haha yah its an ambiguous term. a server in which i can run cgi programs or php scripts but no long-running procceses. |
| 03:56.47 | a_meteorite | no then |
| 03:57.14 | andresj | :-( :P I wonder then if my internet connection is fast enough to provide a good server |
| 03:57.18 | JeffM1 | no |
| 03:57.25 | a_meteorite | bzfs has stay up and it sounds as if you're on a shared server, in which case they usually prevent it from binding to a port or even a firewall |
| 03:57.32 | JeffM1 | bzflag has nothing to o with http |
| 03:57.43 | andresj | yes, that is true---I was wondering if it was possible, thats all |
| 03:57.45 | JeffM1 | it is it's own app and runs on it's own porrt |
| 03:57.48 | JeffM1 | no it is not |
| 03:57.57 | JeffM1 | not given how it's done now |
| 03:58.05 | andresj | so how about a home connection? I have Comcast |
| 03:58.21 | JeffM1 | what is your upstream speed? |
| 03:58.23 | blast007 | how much upstream? |
| 03:58.34 | TD-Linux | well a http server can be used for hosting map data, but that won't really lighten your load much |
| 03:58.51 | TD-Linux | I've successfully hosted around 10 players from my home connectionnn |
| 03:58.54 | TD-Linux | it's 1MB up though |
| 03:59.04 | andresj | hum... |
| 03:59.08 | andresj | how do you measure that? |
| 03:59.09 | a_meteorite | if you have 1MB up you can do a LOT more than 10 players |
| 03:59.16 | TD-Linux | err Mb :P |
| 03:59.18 | JeffM1 | dsl reports |
| 03:59.18 | a_meteorite | andresj: speakesy.net/speedtest |
| 03:59.27 | a_meteorite | *speakeasy.net/speedtest |
| 03:59.31 | JeffM1 | there are many speed tests |
| 03:59.48 | a_meteorite | of course but I always find speakeasy's to be the best in all the computers I've tested |
| 03:59.48 | blast007 | http://speedtest.net/ too |
| 03:59.53 | andresj | ok ill measure it then :P |
| 03:59.56 | a_meteorite | speedtest.net's flash lags it down bad |
| 04:00.05 | a_meteorite | usually skewing results |
| 04:00.10 | blast007 | meh |
| 04:00.15 | JeffM1 | it'll be close enough for bz |
| 04:00.19 | andresj | which server shud i choose? |
| 04:00.23 | a_meteorite | in my experience.. :) |
| 04:00.24 | andresj | any? or the closest one to me? |
| 04:00.27 | a_meteorite | the one closest to you |
| 04:00.54 | blast007 | doesn't *always* pick the ones closest.. some of them are slower :P |
| 04:01.02 | andresj | wow, apparently 3524 kbps |
| 04:01.03 | blast007 | at least for speedtest.net |
| 04:01.08 | a_meteorite | keep in mind comcast has a 250GB limit |
| 04:01.12 | blast007 | andresj: not down, up |
| 04:01.12 | a_meteorite | andresj: up or down? |
| 04:01.15 | andresj | up |
| 04:01.20 | blast007 | oh |
| 04:01.22 | JeffM1 | what is your down? |
| 04:01.22 | andresj | down is 7925 kbps |
| 04:01.24 | a_meteorite | no doubt comcast's powerboost.. |
| 04:01.30 | andresj | yah its prob powerboost |
| 04:01.45 | andresj | it was about a third of that at first |
| 04:01.50 | andresj | and then it just boosted to 3k |
| 04:01.51 | a_meteorite | hmm, you'll have to do something more sustained. you don't want powerboost skewing that. |
| 04:01.54 | andresj | or 3m actually |
| 04:02.04 | andresj | hum... what could it be? |
| 04:02.07 | JeffM1 | what was that third before the boost? |
| 04:02.09 | amathis | hugs comcast 8Mb |
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| 04:02.51 | andresj | JeffM1: I think it was ~ 1000kbps, but ill check again |
| 04:03.25 | a_meteorite | if it's around 1Mbit you should be able to do at least 15 players, iirc badgerking's is on a T1 (1.5Mbit) |
| 04:03.28 | JeffM1 | that's probably what you'll get when hosting |
| 04:03.38 | JeffM1 | you can probably host some players then |
| 04:03.44 | andresj | oh really? |
| 04:03.49 | andresj | that sounds very good then |
| 04:03.50 | blast007 | just to give you an idea, around 25 players uses about 1.5 to 2 mbps |
| 04:04.09 | andresj | i am pretty sure my connections' up is ~1.5mbps |
| 04:04.10 | JeffM1 | yeah if you can hold a meg, you can probably do 10 players |
| 04:04.34 | andresj | because wen i tried again it was all the way up to 3000k but went down and stayed in 2000k at the end |
| 04:04.36 | a_meteorite | just don't fire up any torrents while you do so :) |
| 04:04.40 | andresj | hahahaha :P |
| 04:04.43 | blast007 | not sure how often my bandwidth stats update, but it was showing 1.5mbps when I had 24 players on |
| 04:05.05 | andresj | blast007: where do you get those bandwidth stats? |
| 04:05.12 | blast007 | from my host |
| 04:05.13 | a_meteorite | he has scripts |
| 04:05.16 | a_meteorite | or that |
| 04:05.25 | blast007 | they monitor it at the port |
| 04:05.37 | andresj | the scripts you mean? |
| 04:05.46 | blast007 | what? |
| 04:05.50 | a_meteorite | nice |
| 04:05.52 | a_meteorite | I had software that monitored the interface, not as accurate as something like that but still nice |
| 04:06.49 | andresj | blast007: I mean, who are they that monitors it at the port? |
| 04:06.49 | JeffM1 | he is they |
| 04:06.49 | a_meteorite | his server host |
| 04:06.50 | blast007 | my hosting provider.. |
| 04:06.50 | JeffM1 | he has a real dedicated host at an ISP |
| 04:06.50 | andresj | ooooh |
| 04:06.50 | andresj | hahahaha |
| 04:06.50 | blast007 | they have a web based control panel, with bandwith charts |
| 04:06.56 | blast007 | bandwidth* |
| 04:07.11 | andresj | oh i see, hum... I wonder if uploading a large file to my nearlyfreespeech.net host would give me an accurate bandwidth measurement. |
| 04:07.53 | a_meteorite | once powerboost wears off yeah |
| 04:07.54 | JeffM1 | it dosn't need to be that accurate |
| 04:08.02 | JeffM1 | how many people do you want to host? |
| 04:08.08 | a_meteorite | indeed better to just fire up bzfs and test it |
| 04:08.13 | andresj | hahaha true, true |
| 04:08.26 | Think_Differentl | how much could a 100Mb connection handle? at least a popular server? |
| 04:08.27 | andresj | I figure a medium-sized server would be good |
| 04:08.43 | JeffM1 | what is "medium" ? |
| 04:08.54 | nightstrike | How do I get bzflag to work over NAT? |
| 04:08.56 | a_meteorite | Think_Differentl: probably everyone on bzflag |
| 04:08.56 | andresj | I figure 15 players |
| 04:09.04 | JeffM1 | try it and see |
| 04:09.15 | andresj | haha I will, ok Ill go set it up :P |
| 04:09.25 | blast007 | Think_Differentl: I think you'd hit limits at each player's internet connection, assuming you're talking about a single server |
| 04:09.28 | JeffM1 | what OS are you using? |
| 04:09.36 | blast007 | well, maybe |
| 04:09.36 | andresj | I am on Linux |
| 04:09.40 | andresj | Ubuntu, that is |
| 04:09.47 | Think_Differentl | blast007, hrm |
| 04:09.59 | blast007 | you probably would max out your upstream before that though |
| 04:10.34 | Think_Differentl | blast007, yeah, i just remember people talking about bzfs using lots of bandwidth |
| 04:10.52 | blast007 | cuz if you had 50 players, for instance, it would be sending at most 2mbps to each player |
| 04:10.55 | blast007 | on average |
| 04:11.11 | Think_Differentl | oh, that isn't too bad at all |
| 04:11.35 | blast007 | I'm just saying that's all your connection could handle |
| 04:11.41 | blast007 | not that it wouldn't *want* to send more ;) |
| 04:11.47 | JeffM1 | bandwith usage isn't linear with players |
| 04:11.51 | blast007 | yeah |
| 04:15.07 | JeffM1 | for each player that you add, it's messages have to go to all the other players, and all the other players have to send them messages |
| 04:53.37 | Yassen | I have comcast too, and I can usually do about 8 players before the lag gets abnormal. |
| 04:55.16 | Yassen | but I notice that most people who play bzflag are farther away from me compared to most server...so it might be higher for you. |
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| 05:09.13 | Yassen | what is the point of pausing anyways? It's just basicly the equivalent of dying and staying dead, except that you don't lose a life |
| 05:10.28 | Constitution | you don't lose your position of you pause |
| 05:12.53 | JeffM1 | Yassen: it's so you can pee |
| 05:21.10 | JeffM1 | pee is life... |
| 05:21.17 | JeffM1 | you should not have to die to pee |
| 05:25.45 | Yassen | a plugin could really do the pause mechanism: kill, store position, give them +1 score, zap 'em, set their spawn position in bz_ePlayerSpawnEvent. |
| 05:26.53 | blast007 | Yassen: why do it as a plugin..? |
| 05:27.04 | blast007 | that's just more code to write |
| 05:27.18 | JeffM1 | what is there works |
| 05:27.38 | Yassen | I'm not saying do it as a plugin, I'm just saying that there's other ways to do it ;) |
| 05:27.59 | JeffM1 | sure, there are lots of ways to do lots of things :) |
| 05:30.29 | JeffM1 | the pause system has been in bzflag since before it was open source |
| 05:30.48 | JeffM1 | but sure lets just redo it, cus you said so ;) |
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| 08:12.10 | noyb | something wrong in register-land? badgerking says I'm not registered. :( <sniffles> |
| 08:13.42 | Bambino_ | not registered or not identified? |
| 08:14.51 | noyb | I believe it said "that callsign is registered" and it left my nick with a "-" instead of + but I haven't touched my password or changed nick in about 10 years... |
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| 08:18.58 | Bambino_ | yeah, - is not identified (wrong password) |
| 08:19.09 | Bambino_ | it happens to me sometimes |
| 08:19.29 | Bambino_ | turns out my internet is just being slow sometimes |
| 08:19.45 | Bambino_ | other times it's the global auth and list server |
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| 08:41.18 | noyb | ok thanks. it plays the same. :) just had a 1-1 game with oryx. cya. |
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| 18:36.41 | andresj | ~bzfquery wind.andresjriofrio.com |
| 18:41.57 | andresj | hey anybody know why my server is not showing up in the master list? Or possible reasons in any case :P |
| 18:42.11 | blast007 | do you have -public? |
| 18:42.24 | andresj | yes, in my -conf file there is a line saying |
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| 18:42.30 | andresj | -public "Riofrio's GU-ish server" |
| 18:42.47 | JeffM | yet ibot can see it? |
| 18:43.00 | andresj | ~bzfquery wind.andresjriofrio.com:5154 |
| 18:43.08 | JeffM | a yes would have worked ;) |
| 18:43.23 | andresj | hahaha, well i was dubious too! :P |
| 18:43.27 | JeffM | you have a publicaddr? |
| 18:43.34 | brlcad | that doesn't mean it's public, just means ibot can connect |
| 18:43.41 | andresj | yes, it is -publicaddr wind.andresjriofrio.com:5154 |
| 18:43.51 | JeffM | take the 5154 out of it |
| 18:44.12 | andresj | ok thats how its running right now, without the 5154 |
| 18:44.28 | JeffM | what is your IP? |
| 18:44.45 | andresj | lemme check |
| 18:45.29 | andresj | 24.23.185.82 |
| 18:46.35 | JeffM | can you get to the list server from a web browser on that machine? |
| 18:46.37 | temp_dist | you need to open the UDP port on 5154 too |
| 18:46.58 | JeffM | yeah it'll test TCP and udp at the list, ibot just checks tcp |
| 18:47.00 | andresj | i am pretty sure its open, i configured my firewall and the nat |
| 18:47.09 | JeffM | can you get there in a browser? |
| 18:47.15 | andresj | and what about the list? |
| 18:47.24 | JeffM | http://my.bzflag.org/db/ |
| 18:47.24 | andresj | yes i can wget http://wind.andresjriofrio.com |
| 18:47.28 | JeffM | NO |
| 18:47.31 | JeffM | the list server |
| 18:47.38 | andresj | oh ok |
| 18:47.51 | andresj | um ok im in the browser from my computer |
| 18:47.56 | andresj | from the server, hehe |
| 18:48.35 | andresj | but i still dont see my server there |
| 18:48.45 | JeffM | are you behind a web proxy or anything? |
| 18:49.07 | andresj | i am behind a router nat |
| 18:49.07 | JeffM | the server has to send an HTTP request to the list server to start the process |
| 18:49.14 | JeffM | if that dosn't get through to the list, it won't add you |
| 18:49.23 | blast007 | JeffM: and actually, I think the list server just checks TCP. |
| 18:49.38 | JeffM | blast007: I wrote UDP code for it once, maybe it was removed |
| 18:49.42 | JeffM | the test page checks both |
| 18:49.51 | andresj | in the logs it says "File transfer terminated with error from libcurl 28 : Connection time-out" right after "CURLOPT_URL is : http://my.BZFlag.org/db/" with -dd |
| 18:50.03 | JeffM | andresj: that would be your problem |
| 18:50.04 | blast007 | hmm |
| 18:50.11 | andresj | hum... |
| 18:50.29 | JeffM | the server can't get to the list server to start the process |
| 18:50.29 | andresj | does it try to use the same interface as the one set by -i? |
| 18:50.35 | JeffM | nope |
| 18:50.39 | JeffM | just http :) |
| 18:50.45 | JeffM | calls curl, and lets that handle it |
| 18:50.50 | andresj | so if its using the same interface as i am, i dont see how it would work |
| 18:50.59 | andresj | *wouldnt |
| 18:51.01 | JeffM | it dosn't use the game port |
| 18:51.13 | JeffM | does your firewall only let HTTP out from browsers? |
| 18:51.29 | andresj | i would REALLY doubt it, cuz i use wget&curl all the time |
| 18:51.42 | JeffM | then use curl to get that url |
| 18:52.00 | andresj | it works |
| 18:52.09 | andresj | the curl i mean |
| 18:52.11 | JeffM | then something is wacky |
| 18:52.24 | andresj | yes it seems so! |
| 18:52.43 | andresj | ill try disabling my firewall---im behind a nat anyways :P |
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| 18:53.10 | andresj | i see it does "CURLOPT_URL is : http://bzflag.org/master-bans.txt" correctly |
| 18:53.20 | andresj | but again http://my.BZFlag.org/db/ fails |
| 18:53.32 | JeffM | well, you need to make it not fail :) |
| 18:53.32 | andresj | maybe its cuz im using 2.0.10? |
| 18:53.35 | JeffM | naw |
| 18:54.03 | andresj | hum would it be possible to work around the problem with a curl command/ |
| 18:54.10 | JeffM | no |
| 18:54.16 | JeffM | we call the curl lib, not the curl app |
| 18:54.16 | andresj | why not? |
| 18:54.20 | andresj | um... |
| 18:54.28 | JeffM | they are different things |
| 18:54.34 | andresj | well what does the lib do? |
| 18:54.41 | JeffM | the same thing that curl does |
| 18:54.47 | JeffM | but there is no command line or piping involved |
| 18:54.52 | JeffM | it just runs in our thread |
| 18:55.09 | JeffM | so there is no "command" you can give it |
| 18:55.42 | andresj | well yes, but bzfs has to send some http request to my.bzflag.com, and im sure the curl command can do it too |
| 18:55.49 | JeffM | sure it can |
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| 18:55.53 | JeffM | but we don't use the curl command |
| 18:55.55 | JeffM | we use the curl lib |
| 18:55.59 | JeffM | that is how it's writen |
| 18:56.35 | andresj | yes, i meant something like `( sleep 2; curl ... ) & ./bzfs -conf ...` |
| 18:56.46 | JeffM | that won't do anyth8ing |
| 18:57.00 | andresj | hum... |
| 18:57.01 | JeffM | bzfs does not know how to get the results of what it needs out of the curl command |
| 18:57.15 | JeffM | all it will do is try again on it's own using it's curl LIB |
| 18:57.25 | andresj | ooh, so bzfs needs the results from contacting my.bzflag.com? |
| 18:57.26 | JeffM | basicly there is a copy of curl INSIDE bzfs |
| 18:57.37 | andresj | .org, i mean |
| 18:57.37 | blast007 | global auth wouldn't work, even if you could get it *on* the list with that command |
| 18:57.40 | JeffM | the list server IS my.bzflag.org |
| 18:57.45 | andresj | ahhh i see, i see |
| 18:57.51 | andresj | so bzfs has to work |
| 18:57.52 | JeffM | it's just a php page |
| 18:57.54 | JeffM | yes |
| 18:58.04 | andresj | hum... ima take a shower and ill come back :P |
| 18:58.06 | blast007 | the case shouldn't matter, right? |
| 18:58.10 | andresj | thank you for your help! |
| 18:58.11 | JeffM | shouldn't |
| 18:58.17 | andresj | :) |
| 19:00.21 | JeffM | continues to work on crapy world editor |
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| 19:10.15 | andresj | hahahaha why is it crapy, JeffM? |
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| 19:13.01 | andresj | it worked!!! :D idk what happened i just added -ddd to the end of the command line, lol---maybe it was a temporal problem... |
| 19:15.55 | trepan | converting Teleporters to mesh shells (like arcs, cones, etc...) |
| 19:16.29 | trepan | their collision code was pretty crappy anyways |
| 19:17.13 | trepan | (and the (size.x > border/2) case was never done right, imo |
| 19:23.36 | andresj | hey how can i add bots to my game w/o having to be there? |
| 19:23.43 | andresj | like how do i start bzflag w/o a window |
| 19:25.32 | blast007 | andresj: can't |
| 19:25.57 | blast007 | bzrobots or server-side players is supposed to solve that |
| 19:26.00 | andresj | really? then how is it that in http://my.bzflag.org/w/Single_Player_Mode they say some ppl start 5 or 10 clients and put them all in autopilot |
| 19:26.09 | blast007 | right |
| 19:26.12 | blast007 | but they have a window |
| 19:26.19 | blast007 | they just minimize them |
| 19:26.31 | andresj | when i minimize mine they become not respoding, haha |
| 19:27.56 | andresj | &i cant find any server-side players, only the test one |
| 19:28.11 | andresj | &i thot bzrobots was for next version of bzflag |
| 19:28.21 | blast007 | both are |
| 19:28.27 | andresj | oh, really? |
| 19:28.28 | andresj | : |
| 19:28.30 | andresj | :( |
| 19:28.48 | andresj | haha, is there an option, then, to tell bzflag not to grab my mouse? |
| 19:29.08 | andresj | bcuz i can only minimize it with f4, which puts it in not responding |
| 19:29.33 | blast007 | does it go NR, or does it pause? |
| 19:29.50 | blast007 | and are you running bots on a public server? |
| 19:30.22 | andresj | on my public server, haha |
| 19:30.42 | blast007 | running bots to artificially increase the position on the list is frowned upon |
| 19:30.57 | andresj | &it goes NR---I connected using another bzflag instance and it showed them not responding |
| 19:31.02 | andresj | I am using another nickname for the bots, btw |
| 19:31.13 | andresj | my nickname is andresj, theirs is riofrios |
| 19:31.54 | andresj | oooh, u meant the server list? |
| 19:32.00 | blast007 | http://my.bzflag.org/w/List_Server_Usage_Policy |
| 19:32.03 | blast007 | yes |
| 19:32.27 | andresj | well i dont plan on putting like 5-10 bots, lol---just like 1 for each team or smthng; im experimenting, hehe |
| 19:33.52 | andresj | hum... maybe i shudnt put bots anyways |
| 19:34.07 | andresj | im just seeing how to make my server a better one, haha |
| 19:34.32 | blast007 | removing bots would be step 1 ;) |
| 19:34.35 | JeffM | andresj: because I have writen it to be crapy |
| 19:34.57 | andresj | hahahha |
| 19:35.20 | andresj | yes, i just figured that out---first lesson: "All bots and almost no players. ___ disconnected. ____ disconnected." :P |
| 19:35.36 | JeffM | bots use bandwith like players |
| 19:35.43 | andresj | yes, of course |
| 19:35.49 | JeffM | bzflag has no single player "mode" |
| 19:35.52 | andresj | I guess bots is a bad idea, scratch that hahaha |
| 19:36.15 | JeffM | it has been, and always will be a network game. |
| 19:36.27 | andresj | Ive noticed, cuz playing it offline is not as fun |
| 19:36.30 | andresj | hum... what could make a good server? |
| 19:36.43 | JeffM | if you happen to run it on your local machine network, with automated payers, so be it. it's still not a single player game. |
| 19:37.05 | JeffM | a good server would be some sort of anti-server that takes extra servers off the list |
| 19:37.05 | andresj | yes, its not. |
| 19:37.14 | blast007 | hehe |
| 19:37.15 | andresj | LOL what?? |
| 19:37.30 | JeffM | we often have more servers then players |
| 19:37.33 | JeffM | most servers are crap |
| 19:37.35 | andresj | ur prob referring to the 50 servers---yah lol |
| 19:37.44 | blast007 | 50? |
| 19:37.45 | JeffM | 50? |
| 19:37.50 | JeffM | add 200 |
| 19:37.58 | andresj | lol---well i didnt count em!! |
| 19:37.59 | blast007 | 303 right now |
| 19:38.00 | andresj | :P |
| 19:38.05 | blast007 | the client counts them for you |
| 19:38.07 | JeffM | and how many payers? |
| 19:38.24 | blast007 | strayer's site says 150 ;) |
| 19:38.31 | blast007 | 150 unique names, at least |
| 19:38.31 | JeffM | double up :) |
| 19:38.49 | andresj | hahahaha |
| 19:38.58 | andresj | so one server per player |
| 19:39.02 | JeffM | 2 |
| 19:39.04 | blast007 | two servers per player |
| 19:39.55 | andresj | wow |
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| 19:40.08 | JeffM | it's been that way for a long time |
| 19:40.17 | andresj | yes, but i wonder since when |
| 19:40.29 | JeffM | people are very eager to put up servers then forget about them |
| 19:40.55 | JeffM | do you know how old bzflag is? |
| 19:41.06 | andresj | like a dozen years approx |
| 19:41.07 | andresj | :P |
| 19:41.16 | blast007 | lots of servers don't have any admins |
| 19:41.22 | JeffM | run out of houses |
| 19:41.29 | JeffM | on DSL and cable modems |
| 19:41.31 | andresj | and idk how ppl put servers&forget about em---doesnt it cost money to? or take care of the servers in their own houses |
| 19:41.36 | JeffM | cus someone thought it would be kewl |
| 19:41.37 | blast007 | most of the popular servers are ones that have good admins and are on dedicated servers |
| 19:41.57 | JeffM | andresj: how much money have you spent on your server? |
| 19:42.13 | andresj | hahaha, but they would need to be sure that the network is running properly, and that the computer doesnt restart too often... |
| 19:42.31 | andresj | JeffM: haha, about $0.00 |
| 19:42.44 | andresj | USD, that is :P |
| 19:42.46 | JeffM | so, no they don't always spend money |
| 19:43.04 | andresj | i mean to forget about em it would, wouldnt it? |
| 19:43.08 | JeffM | would like to see the list server fold servers of the same host into expandable lists |
| 19:43.12 | JeffM | tree view and all |
| 19:43.14 | blast007 | why would that cost anything? |
| 19:43.36 | andresj | because if run from home one has to take care that what one does doesnt affect the server |
| 19:43.50 | andresj | or maybe thats just my tinkerer self :P |
| 19:43.51 | JeffM | not if you have a linux box that sits in a corner and you just let it go |
| 19:43.58 | blast007 | you're assuming they care about the server |
| 19:43.59 | JeffM | script it's restarts |
| 19:44.01 | JeffM | yeah |
| 19:44.14 | andresj | hahaha ytur |
| 19:44.14 | blast007 | they have an @, and that's all they care about ;) |
| 19:44.16 | andresj | *true |
| 19:44.20 | JeffM | also a lot of em are just one machine with a buttload of maps |
| 19:44.22 | andresj | @? |
| 19:44.25 | blast007 | admin |
| 19:44.33 | andresj | ooohh hahahaha |
| 19:44.38 | JeffM | they never expect them all to get full |
| 19:44.46 | andresj | true |
| 19:45.04 | blast007 | JeffM: like that one time nn fired up a few hundred maps... |
| 19:45.06 | CBG | In some cases, people have a dedicated server running 50 bzfs servers. It's not costing any extra to run a couple more.... ;) |
| 19:45.15 | JeffM | a better presentation of them would be somethign like each map is a "room" per server |
| 19:45.15 | trepan | blast007: bored that day? |
| 19:45.16 | andresj | hahahaha |
| 19:45.22 | JeffM | and the player counts were totaled for the entire machine |
| 19:45.41 | JeffM | since you do care how many people are on other servers on that machine too |
| 19:45.43 | blast007 | trepan: hmm? |
| 19:45.44 | andresj | that sounds good |
| 19:46.06 | CBG | Make it so, JeffM :P |
| 19:46.08 | trepan | blast007: ah, 'nn' |
| 19:46.15 | andresj | it would also be a good way to promote use of other "rooms" in the same server |
| 19:46.28 | JeffM | CBG: I have, just not here ;) |
| 19:46.42 | CBG | JeffM: and it works good..? :) |
| 19:47.02 | JeffM | for the one server that it hosts, sure |
| 19:47.08 | JeffM | localhost FTW! |
| 19:47.19 | trepan | inter-server linkage is now possible |
| 19:47.27 | CBG | So, make it so _here_ too. :P |
| 19:47.39 | JeffM | why? |
| 19:47.53 | CBG | Why not? Are people against the idea? |
| 19:48.45 | JeffM | that's not enough reason to put the personal effort into it ;) |
| 19:49.05 | andresj | hahaha |
| 19:49.16 | andresj | one penny each person we can bribe JeffM :P |
| 19:49.18 | JeffM | do you laugh at everything? |
| 19:49.22 | andresj | nvm, one dollar |
| 19:49.24 | CBG | Well, you were saying you thought it was a good idea and that you had tried and tested it.... |
| 19:49.47 | JeffM | CBG: not in any kind of codebase that could go into bzflag |
| 19:50.10 | JeffM | ain't writing HUDUITreeControll |
| 19:50.53 | CBG | It's your life ;) |
| 19:51.17 | JeffM | writing UI components, hell no it isn't |
| 19:52.32 | JeffM | the only way for a proejct to go is when it becomes large and stable enough for people to implement the ideas of others :) |
| 19:53.27 | trepan | the other idea (partially started), is to allow scripting of the client server-list interface |
| 19:53.35 | JeffM | there ya go :) |
| 19:53.54 | JeffM | those are easaly compatable :) |
| 19:54.08 | trepan | ... but Jeff already knew that :) |
| 19:54.22 | JeffM | knowing and remembering are not the same thing ;) |
| 19:58.13 | trepan | and if implemented in LuaBzOrg, the server-listing code could be updated on the fly, wouldn't even a release to fix things up |
| 19:58.24 | trepan | s/even a/even need a/ |
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