| 00:01.41 | JefferyM | dude needs to tell us when he'll expect it |
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| 00:26.17 | JefferyM | stupidest... app.. name....ever..... |
| 00:26.30 | CIA-11 | BZFlag: 03JeffM2501 * r19575 10/trunk/bzflag/tools/BZFStart/ (17 files in 2 dirs): Start a server only launcher that does tries REALLY hard to find the client and server paths, as well as store user paths. |
| 00:31.58 | brlcad | heh |
| 00:32.13 | brlcad | what is a bzfs tart? :) |
| 00:32.45 | brlcad | that does sound absolutely aweful :) |
| 00:33.10 | brlcad | btw, angie wrote up a great article about isolated devmanship on her weblog: http://webchick.net/embrace-the-chaos |
| 00:33.12 | JefferyM | told you |
| 00:33.37 | JefferyM | totaly need a bitchin icon for it, with like frosting |
| 00:34.21 | JefferyM | isolation sucks |
| 00:34.28 | JefferyM | you never get to hear the funny jokes |
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| 00:36.33 | brlcad | ~dict 5 tart |
| 00:36.49 | JefferyM | ok, so we put the icon in striper heels and a boa |
| 00:36.50 | brlcad | did not know that before someone explained it to them |
| 00:37.03 | JefferyM | you've never heard the term "tarted up"? |
| 00:37.24 | brlcad | apparently I was insulting them rather unkindly, whereas I was thinking they're just sour :) |
| 00:37.30 | JefferyM | BZFSStart just looked odd |
| 00:37.49 | spldart | What a point to wander into a converstation.... |
| 00:38.09 | JefferyM | see, another reason to fight isolationism :) |
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| 00:39.27 | brlcad | BZFSLauncher, bzfsStart, bzfsGo, "Start BZFS" |
| 00:39.44 | JefferyM | bzfsIsGO |
| 00:40.06 | JefferyM | it can eaisaly be renamed :) |
| 00:41.50 | brlcad | BZFStbd |
| 00:43.15 | brlcad | BZFS_launcher_application_that_shall_not_be_named |
| 00:43.51 | JefferyM | heh |
| 00:44.56 | joevano | why use vowels... StartBZFS |
| 00:45.12 | joevano | well that makes no sense.. changed my mind mis stream |
| 00:45.18 | joevano | mid* |
| 00:45.18 | JefferyM | k |
| 00:51.32 | CIA-11 | BZFlag: 03JeffM2501 * r19576 10/trunk/bzflag/tools/ (16 files in 3 dirs): |
| 00:51.32 | CIA-11 | BZFlag: rename to StartBZFS. |
| 00:51.32 | CIA-11 | BZFlag: add server config class |
| 00:51.33 | JefferyM | there ya go |
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| 01:03.24 | CIA-11 | BZFlag: 03JeffM2501 * r19577 10/trunk/bzflag/tools/StartBZFS/ (Form1.Designer.cs Form1.cs): add some basic interface items |
| 01:04.26 | JefferyM | blast007, I'm thinking of just throwing out a thread per server that you start, and each one starts it's own log window, with a "stop" button |
| 01:05.00 | JefferyM | and just use the port for the temp log file |
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| 01:42.42 | tigreped | Hi guys! i'd like to know about the late signs for GSOC! |
| 01:43.54 | tigreped | both modularization of game logic and opengl logic seem prety interesting projects that interest me a lot! |
| 01:44.21 | tigreped | is it too late to getting interested about submiting to them? |
| 01:44.28 | wjk | Never |
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| 01:53.18 | tigreped_ | I had been stuck on the last days of class here...with last tests and project deliveries, and also a trip... but now I'm on vacation and have plenty time to get onto it :) |
| 01:53.28 | tigreped_ | wjk: are you submitting or organization folk, or neither? :) |
| 01:53.34 | masterzora | Oh that is encouraging to hear |
| 01:53.47 | masterzora | I thought I've been the only one late-acting do to real life interference :( |
| 01:54.23 | wjk | tigreped, I'm submitting proposals to multiple projects |
| 01:54.49 | wjk | The general concensus is to submit early -> get feedback to refine -> submit final product |
| 01:55.02 | tigreped_ | cool. Do you know wheather there is any mentor online for the modularization projects? |
| 01:55.53 | tigreped_ | I'd like to know more, since there's no application template nor anything. Just chat...get to know things better around here... though BZFlag is a very cool project anyways |
| 01:56.10 | wjk | http://my.bzflag.org/w/Google_Summer_of_Code/2009#Mentors |
| 01:56.33 | wjk | Most of the mentors generally live in + and @ land in here |
| 01:56.44 | tigreped_ | yeah...I see some nicknames here...but don't know if they're very used to answering IRc very much :) |
| 01:57.12 | tigreped_ | I see... I've also sent an e-mail to the devl-list |
| 01:58.24 | tigreped_ | I really wanted to get to do this earlier...but university really pulled my legs in the end of the period! But now I'm on vacation and very excited about getting a project here! |
| 01:59.05 | tigreped_ | I had already started writing something of my aplication, so basically it's all about wrapping it up and submitting ASAP after all... no much time left either ways oO |
| 01:59.30 | brlcad | and most are listening, just busy atm ;) |
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| 02:00.23 | masterzora | heh |
| 02:00.30 | masterzora | I've had the opposite problem, kind of |
| 02:00.38 | masterzora | Term starting >.< |
| 02:00.51 | masterzora | A lot busier than I expected |
| 02:07.03 | tigreped_ | I know heHEHe... my next term starts in 15 days |
| 02:07.21 | tigreped_ | brlcad: hey man... could you gimme a hand? :) |
| 02:07.55 | brlcad | no hands to give, but I can spare a big toe |
| 02:08.10 | tigreped_ | that will do! |
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| 02:10.13 | tigreped | brlcad: well.. I'm just wondering if there's still space left to sign ups...or if things are too savage in submitions! |
| 02:11.01 | Bulldozer | tigreped: Here, it's never to late until the deadline is past :) |
| 02:11.04 | tigreped | I'm very into working for gsoc... actually my next term I intend to have only 4 or 5 courses (here in brazil the translation would be chairs, I don't know if it's the same)... |
| 02:11.18 | tigreped | to have time to work on BZFlag |
| 02:11.39 | tigreped | Bulldozer: yeah...I know.. but I got very concerned because I know the best thing to do is to start planning early |
| 02:12.07 | Bulldozer | tigreped: Well, they have said the competition will be tough |
| 02:12.11 | tigreped | I mean...do I prepare an aplication and then bring it here for the mentors to give me some tips in order to better it? |
| 02:12.18 | tigreped | I see |
| 02:12.21 | Bulldozer | tigreped: But you have nothing to lose by applying |
| 02:12.27 | tigreped | that is good ahn? We love chalenges! |
| 02:12.39 | tigreped | yeah...that is true...and that's why I'm here |
| 02:13.11 | Bulldozer | tigreped: If you submit a good application, and ask here for feedback, a mentor should leave you some good suggestions. |
| 02:13.30 | Bulldozer | tigreped: You can submit it directly through the GSoC portal, and then revise it from there |
| 02:13.37 | Bulldozer | tigreped: That is what they have had me do :) |
| 02:13.44 | tigreped | alright! I'll just take a peep at the F1 training session...then I'll finish my pre-application, and come back here for some suggestions |
| 02:14.11 | tigreped | Bulldozer: hey man...thanks for the tips! I'll just do the same! Hope to see you around when we get selected!! ;) |
| 02:14.17 | tigreped | see ya all in a while! |
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| 02:23.47 | Bulldozer | DTRemenak: Just realized I spelled your name wrong in a comment on my application - sorry in advance :) |
| 02:24.25 | Bulldozer | DTRemenak: And thanks for the input on both applications |
| 02:26.40 | Bulldozer | JeffM: BTW, thanks for the OpenGL pointers; it was indeed the normals |
| 02:27.03 | JeffM | they are the most common thing forgoten with people who are new to 3d :) |
| 02:27.20 | JeffM | most of our mapers don't use them or don't understand them ether |
| 02:27.51 | Bulldozer | It ultimately prompted me to write up an obj loader, something which I'd been being lazy about getting to ;) |
| 02:28.03 | JeffM | they are pretty easy to do |
| 02:29.12 | Bulldozer | Far more so than writing up the math to calculate the normals on quads and modeling by hand |
| 02:29.20 | Bulldozer | I wish now I'd done it earlier |
| 02:30.03 | JeffM | it's actualy pretty easy to compute face normals |
| 02:30.11 | JeffM | then once you have them smothing them isn't too bad ether |
| 02:30.19 | JeffM | you need a math lib anyway for most things |
| 02:30.29 | Bulldozer | Yes, I didn't mean I was going to ignore it |
| 02:31.00 | JeffM | the cross product of the 2 vectors formed by edges that share a vert is the vector normal to that plane |
| 02:31.09 | JeffM | and on a triangle, that plane is the same as the triangle |
| 02:31.51 | Bulldozer | I did get it working |
| 02:32.06 | Bulldozer | What I mean is, I am kicking myself now for doing all the hard things first |
| 02:32.22 | Bulldozer | When all I really needed to do was parse a text file exported from blender :) |
| 02:32.38 | Bulldozer | Although I guess I now have a much better understanding of it all :) |
| 02:33.21 | Bulldozer | ... and all the code (like the normal computations) in my app for if I need to do more complex things :) |
| 02:43.37 | JeffM | realises he dosn't need to store the client path in the server launcher :) |
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| 03:25.16 | JeffM | blast007: found a better way around the std::error and std::out :) |
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| 03:52.17 | JeffM | DTRemenak: you arround? |
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| 04:09.56 | KingofCamelot | Hey JeffM, will you guys hold it against me that I'm doing a GSoC application close to the deadline? Things have just been really hectic the last week or so. |
| 04:10.07 | JeffM | kinda |
| 04:10.16 | JeffM | but do what you gotta do |
| 04:10.23 | JeffM | last min ones suck |
| 04:10.47 | KingofCamelot | I'll try to ensure mine doesn't suck, lol |
| 04:11.18 | JeffM | well they suck because there is no time to work back and forth with you on them |
| 04:11.47 | KingofCamelot | True |
| 04:13.32 | KingofCamelot | I'll just submit what I can, and maybe I'll get lucky if they extend the deadline like they did last time |
| 04:13.53 | JeffM | they will not |
| 04:13.59 | JeffM | that has allready been said |
| 04:14.23 | KingofCamelot | Ah |
| 04:16.47 | KingofCamelot | One more thing JeffM: Are you going to want to see a patch submission with the application even if I worked with you guys last GSoC? |
| 04:17.00 | JeffM | yep |
| 04:17.02 | JeffM | gotta be fairt |
| 04:17.04 | JeffM | fair |
| 04:17.45 | KingofCamelot | Alright |
| 04:20.40 | JeffM | ok.. so I guess it'd help if I used a bzfs that dosn't crash on launch for my testing :) |
| 04:20.51 | brlcad | heh |
| 04:21.41 | JeffM | at least I know why the process is exiting right after I call it :) |
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| 04:27.53 | tigreped | oh man...I had a computer graphics project... I had some trouble in loading textures... it is pretty much of a dull thing! |
| 04:33.08 | blast007 | JeffM: re: the better way for stdout and stderr, cool ;) |
| 04:33.19 | JeffM | blast007: ish |
| 04:33.27 | JeffM | it'll still involve a tinny thread :) |
| 04:33.34 | blast007 | oh well |
| 04:33.38 | JeffM | but we'll get a log file out of it |
| 04:33.48 | JeffM | I've got it working with out logs right now |
| 04:33.49 | blast007 | I wasn't adverse to threading. Just getting it to *work* |
| 04:33.59 | JeffM | each server instance is starting in it's own little log window |
| 04:34.11 | JeffM | if you hit stop on the window, or close it, it kills the server |
| 04:34.19 | blast007 | cool |
| 04:34.22 | JeffM | or if the server poops it closes the window |
| 04:34.35 | blast007 | could we keep it open until the user closes it? |
| 04:34.41 | blast007 | might be useful stuff that it shows in the log |
| 04:34.41 | JeffM | and I've got a filewatcher on the log, I just need to get the process to redirect the output to the log |
| 04:36.01 | JeffM | possibly |
| 04:36.24 | JeffM | I also have all the server config stuff in it's own class, so we can just write it out via XML serialisation to save it |
| 04:37.32 | blast007 | cool |
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| 04:49.22 | tigreped | JeffM: hey, could you tell me something about the gsoc? I'd like to know if is it possible to sign for more then one project of the same group |
| 04:49.34 | JeffM | sure |
| 04:49.40 | tigreped | because I'm actually only interested in BZFLag :x~ |
| 04:49.41 | JeffM | you can submit up to 20 applications |
| 04:49.49 | JeffM | you know the deadline ends tomorow right? |
| 04:49.54 | tigreped | but there's a lot of thing that I find interesting |
| 04:50.12 | tigreped | yeah, I Know...I'm almost finishing the pre-application form of mine |
| 04:50.18 | JeffM | ok |
| 04:50.29 | tigreped | but I was thinking if I should write one application for each project or one for all |
| 04:50.32 | JeffM | we actualy encourage people who have time to submit more then one |
| 04:50.37 | JeffM | one for each |
| 04:50.38 | JeffM | totaly |
| 04:50.46 | JeffM | one for all will get you marked as invalid |
| 04:50.49 | tigreped | the ones I'm interested are the 2 modularization and the robots |
| 04:51.15 | tigreped | ok...though you all understand that they are rather like very similar, ok? :) |
| 04:51.29 | JeffM | yep |
| 04:51.44 | JeffM | the application is much more then just you saying what you want to do |
| 04:51.53 | JeffM | we have to grade you on if you do what you said you wanted to do |
| 04:51.58 | JeffM | if it's ALL in there, and you only do part.... |
| 04:52.05 | JeffM | it's fine if they have duplicate info |
| 04:52.09 | JeffM | that's what copy and paste is for |
| 04:52.30 | JeffM | but we have to have one thing where at the end we can say "did he do what he said he'd do" and be able to show to google that you did |
| 04:52.40 | JeffM | or you don't get paid |
| 04:52.56 | tigreped | oh sure...I understand |
| 04:53.37 | tigreped | one more thing, about the continuation of previous gsoc projects... how should I procede? |
| 04:53.57 | JeffM | same way as any other one |
| 04:54.04 | JeffM | state what you want to do in your application |
| 04:54.56 | DTRemenak | the fact that they were previous soc projects doesn't change anything, it's just informational - tells you that things might not necessarily be finished and you might not necessarily be able to contact the person who wrote the code originally. of course, the same could be said for all our other code ;) |
| 04:55.16 | tigreped | all right then |
| 04:56.19 | tigreped | I'm kind of sad I had no time to prepare all of these and make more reading...but I got really busy in the end of the period... but I'm glad to be free now :d~ really excited about the gsoc! |
| 04:56.59 | tigreped | JeffM: should I send the current application version to the gsoc and send you guys the link in order to have you take a look and give me some tips on it? |
| 04:57.16 | JeffM | you can edit the app after you submit it |
| 04:57.34 | JeffM | can I ask why you waited so long to talk to us and to submit the application |
| 04:58.55 | JeffM | kills the zombie BZFSs |
| 05:00.40 | JeffM | DTRemenak: when you make an object to lock, you new it right? |
| 05:01.59 | tigreped | JeffM: exactly because I had some problems managing time at the end of the semester(period) at the university, delivering projects, making tests, and stuff. I also had to take a 2 day trip... |
| 05:02.12 | JeffM | ok |
| 05:02.19 | JeffM | fair enough |
| 05:02.43 | tigreped | the thing is that I intend to make my registration on the next semester on less courses, in order to have aat least 20 hours or so only to dedicate to gsoc |
| 05:03.28 | JeffM | so you'll be going to school and doing soc? |
| 05:03.47 | tigreped | this semester I had 6 courses registered... but as I started volunteering at a digital televition computer laboratory at the university, I "locked" one of the courses to spend some more time on it |
| 05:04.23 | JeffM | so you'll be going to school and doing soc? |
| 05:04.53 | tigreped | yes, but only starting in may |
| 05:05.02 | tigreped | and also, I will have much few class time |
| 05:05.10 | JeffM | please mention that in your application |
| 05:05.20 | tigreped | because I want to have time enough to be working for gsoc |
| 05:05.27 | tigreped | yes, I have already done so |
| 05:05.31 | JeffM | we perfer to know when we can expect the student to be working and what kinda load they have |
| 05:05.40 | JeffM | just so we all have the same expections :) |
| 05:05.47 | tigreped | since I understand the importance of having time enough to be compromised with the project |
| 05:06.03 | tigreped | and to be always getting in touch with you and telling about the evolution :) |
| 05:06.39 | JeffM | umm, we actualy expect you to be on IRC while you work |
| 05:06.43 | JeffM | commiting as you go |
| 05:06.46 | tigreped | yes, I understand. The worse thing that can happen, is that if I don't get selected to any project, I will have EXTRA free time next semester hehehehe |
| 05:06.52 | JeffM | not going off doing stuff, and giving us a bunch of code. |
| 05:07.02 | JeffM | we'll treat you like you are at a desk next to us at work |
| 05:07.27 | CIA-11 | BZFlag: 03JeffM2501 * r19578 10/trunk/bzflag/tools/StartBZFS/ (Form1.Designer.cs Form1.cs): Fill in the server config from the dialog info and have it fire off the bzfs when they hit start. |
| 05:07.36 | tigreped | yeah, I also guess it will be a very enriching experience to me, professionally, preciselly because I wish to be always in touch, getting feedback from you |
| 05:07.49 | JeffM | you won't wish, you WILL |
| 05:07.50 | CIA-11 | BZFlag: 03JeffM2501 * r19579 10/trunk/bzflag/tools/StartBZFS/ (Paths.Designer.cs Paths.cs): don't need the client path as something they set in a server tool. |
| 05:07.51 | tigreped | that is, actually, very encouraging to me! |
| 05:07.51 | JeffM | ;) |
| 05:08.08 | JeffM | it is expected that other devs will be working in and around the same code you work on |
| 05:08.15 | tigreped | let's say that is the kind of thing that I need to be always pushed to do my best :) |
| 05:08.16 | JeffM | this is't a school project where you turn it in at the end. |
| 05:08.37 | tigreped | yes, that is true! |
| 05:09.12 | CIA-11 | BZFlag: 03JeffM2501 * r19580 10/trunk/bzflag/tools/StartBZFS/ (3 files): add a server log window that shows the output and has a nice stop button |
| 05:09.51 | CIA-11 | BZFlag: 03JeffM2501 * r19581 10/trunk/bzflag/tools/StartBZFS/ (ServerConfig.cs StartBZFS.csproj): build a simple config and fire off the processes and threads to start up a running server and monitor it async. |
| 05:10.14 | JeffM | blast007: my threads are working, it's just not getting anything from the stdout and stderror streams :( |
| 05:11.59 | JeffM | if you have it go in "background mode" it fires off the process just fine and lets the black window stay there |
| 05:12.27 | tigreped | well, I'll wrap up the application and upload it for someone to give me some thoughts... |
| 05:13.54 | JeffM | submit it |
| 05:13.58 | JeffM | as soon as you can |
| 05:14.14 | JeffM | we will read it on the google site, and submit comments there |
| 05:14.22 | JeffM | then you can comment and edit |
| 05:14.51 | tigreped | Understood! |
| 05:15.15 | tigreped | JeffM: where are you from? |
| 05:15.27 | JeffM | Inglewood |
| 05:17.15 | JeffM | what's the shot limit? 10 or 20? |
| 05:19.09 | blast007 | 20 |
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| 05:40.24 | tigreped | JeffM: summer vacations there end only in July? |
| 05:40.37 | JeffM | I dunno |
| 05:40.42 | JeffM | I haven't been in school in ages ;) |
| 05:47.36 | Bulldozer | tigreped: Depends on the school :) |
| 05:48.06 | Bulldozer | JeffM: We should hook up next time I come out to Monrovia for work. :) |
| 05:48.21 | JeffM | I don't actualy live there anymore |
| 05:48.25 | JeffM | I was just born there |
| 05:48.29 | JeffM | I'm in moorpark now |
| 05:49.10 | Bulldozer | Oh, ha, fair enough - it's much nicer up there anyway |
| 05:49.42 | Bulldozer | That general area is one of the few near LA proper that I like :) |
| 05:49.54 | CIA-11 | BZFlag: 03Bullet Catcher 07http://my.bzflag.org * r5663 10/w/Google_Summer_of_Code/2009: /* Mentors */ Add myself to the list. |
| 05:50.16 | Bulldozer | ping BulletCatcher |
| 05:51.19 | tigreped | I see |
| 05:51.35 | tigreped | here in BRazil thing are a bit more messy hHehEHhee... |
| 05:51.49 | Bulldozer | JeffM: That's still not far - my wife and I like to visit the beach near Malibu when I have to go out there. |
| 05:52.26 | Bulldozer | BulletCatcher: I looked into changing the copyright, but I didn't see any difference except the date in the file you mentioned |
| 05:52.39 | Bulldozer | BulletCatcher: did you perhaps mean a different file? |
| 05:56.08 | CIA-11 | BZFlag: 03JeffM2501 * r19582 10/trunk/bzflag/tools/StartBZFS/ (5 files): |
| 05:56.08 | CIA-11 | BZFlag: move the loggers to their own file to make the config class cleaner. |
| 05:56.08 | CIA-11 | BZFlag: add some more basic options to the dialog and config class, with some sane defaults (antidotes for bad flags, flags on buildings for CTF, etc..). |
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| 05:58.06 | CIA-11 | BZFlag: 03JeffM2501 * r19583 10/trunk/bzflag/tools/StartBZFS/ (Form1.Designer.cs Form1.cs): |
| 05:58.06 | CIA-11 | BZFlag: dialog should not be resize-able, since it doesn't have the text window in it anymore. |
| 05:58.06 | CIA-11 | BZFlag: give a better status update when everything is OK. |
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| 06:03.55 | BulletCatcher | was in the middle of composing a reply to Bulldozer, but will save it for later |
| 06:28.44 | CIA-11 | BZFlag: 03bullet_catcher * r19584 10/trunk/bzflag/tools/StartBZFS/ (20 files in 2 dirs): Add the Subversion svn:eol-style=native property, except for the .sln file which is CRLF by our standards. |
| 06:29.02 | tigreped | JeffM: well, I've wrapped it up without much overdoings... hope it is a start, so I get some feedback and finish it at once to subscribe it :) I'll be waiting here! o/ |
| 06:29.21 | JeffM | I won't read it till tomorow |
| 06:29.40 | BulletCatcher | I'll remind you tomorrow to set the auto-props on your work computer, JeffM. |
| 06:29.53 | JeffM | ohh yeah |
| 06:30.41 | BulletCatcher | Only one of those new files had an extension that we already have rules for, anyway. |
| 06:30.51 | JeffM | heh |
| 06:30.52 | JeffM | true |
| 06:41.24 | CIA-11 | BZFlag: 03JeffM2501 * r19585 10/trunk/bzflag/tools/StartBZFS/ (Form1.Designer.cs Form1.cs ServerConfig.cs): add items for the world, and gray out dialog items that aren't working yet. |
| 06:41.30 | JeffM | that's enough of that for today then :) |
| 06:41.46 | JeffM | just a couple more things and it'll do everything the old start server item did |
| 06:42.17 | blast007 | except "suck" ? |
| 06:43.22 | JeffM | yours wasn't bad, it was just made for a different thing :) |
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| 06:44.55 | JeffM | tho I did scan the maps dir and throw all the maps into a pulldown, and that's kinda cool :) |
| 06:45.03 | blast007 | JeffM: I was referring to the in-game thing, which I thought you were too |
| 06:45.11 | JeffM | oh ahh |
| 06:45.16 | JeffM | heh yeah the in game one SUCKS |
| 06:45.16 | blast007 | ;) |
| 06:45.34 | JeffM | at least this one tells you that it can't find the server exe |
| 06:45.41 | blast007 | "there was an error starting the server. we won't tell you which one. bye!" |
| 06:45.49 | JeffM | yeah |
| 06:45.57 | JeffM | well I have to get my logging setup for that |
| 06:46.02 | JeffM | then we can actualy tell them |
| 06:46.13 | blast007 | and bzfs is smart enough now to turn off ctf teams that don't have bases |
| 06:46.20 | JeffM | cool |
| 06:46.33 | blast007 | (which is one of the main reasons the in-game one would fail) |
| 06:46.42 | JeffM | I have to add the player limits, and flag counts. |
| 06:46.42 | blast007 | as well as why it would fail for my launcher |
| 06:47.31 | JeffM | 3.0 has that? |
| 06:47.38 | JeffM | or .12? |
| 06:49.48 | blast007 | 3.0 has the fix for the player count |
| 06:50.01 | blast007 | I didn't backport it |
| 06:50.07 | JeffM | k |
| 06:50.18 | JeffM | I may throw a scan in the map for the bases then |
| 06:50.38 | JeffM | techicnaly nothing prevents this from working with 2.0.xx |
| 06:50.59 | blast007 | some of the command line options differ |
| 06:51.05 | blast007 | like there is no -a in 3.0 |
| 06:51.11 | JeffM | yeah |
| 06:51.28 | JeffM | I was thinking of adding a 2.0.x checkbox in an options dialog |
| 06:51.57 | blast007 | or parse the 'bzfs -version' output ;) |
| 06:52.06 | JeffM | possibly |
| 06:52.10 | JeffM | tho a checkbox is fine too :) |
| 06:52.13 | blast007 | checkbox is easier |
| 06:52.14 | blast007 | yeah |
| 06:54.48 | JeffM | wonder if it works on a mac :) |
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| 06:55.55 | blast007 | seems -a is the main thing that was removed |
| 06:56.01 | JeffM | yeah |
| 06:56.06 | JeffM | I'm not even doing -a now |
| 06:56.17 | JeffM | in game interface didn't do it |
| 06:57.39 | JeffM | sleepy time |
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| 08:18.27 | tigreped | seems like I'm gonna have a full non sleep night :x |
| 08:18.57 | tigreped | that patch thing broke my legs! I didn't expect to have to mess with code in the middle of the night..so soon :D~ |
| 08:24.17 | CIA-11 | BZFlag: 03KingofCamelot 07http://my.bzflag.org * r5664 10/w/User:KingofCamelot: /* About Me */ |
| 08:37.04 | CIA-11 | BZFlag: 03KingofCamelot 07http://my.bzflag.org * r5665 10/w/User:KingofCamelot: |
| 08:41.02 | CIA-11 | BZFlag: 03KingofCamelot 07http://my.bzflag.org * r5666 10/w/User:KingofCamelot: /* Appendix */ |
| 08:41.38 | CIA-11 | BZFlag: 03KingofCamelot 07http://my.bzflag.org * r5667 10/w/User:KingofCamelot: /* Reflections On GSoC 2008 */ |
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| 08:54.02 | blast007 | LittleWhite: so what question do you have? |
| 08:54.12 | blast007 | the deadline is fast approaching |
| 08:54.42 | LittleWhite | Yeah, I have this problem, because the deadline is approaching , and I just registered yersteday into the google website |
| 08:55.32 | LittleWhite | I am really interested by working on bzflag for the bug fixing or the modularization of OpenGL logic |
| 08:56.03 | LittleWhite | but I do not think to be able to produce a patch or milestones to send this evening with my proposal |
| 08:56.35 | blast007 | the patch could come a day or two later if necessary |
| 08:56.45 | blast007 | the proposal is important though |
| 08:57.07 | LittleWhite | I will try to do my best for the proposal, and maybe a patch this evening |
| 08:57.48 | blast007 | do you have any speific questions? |
| 08:57.48 | LittleWhite | but for the bug fixing, produce milestones can be harder than usual, because in bug fixing, the problems change with the bugs |
| 08:57.58 | blast007 | yeah |
| 08:58.05 | blast007 | that one is definately harder to define |
| 08:58.06 | LittleWhite | not yet, if you want I can present myself |
| 08:58.18 | LittleWhite | and I am trying to compile the code from the svn |
| 08:58.27 | blast007 | ok |
| 08:59.17 | blast007 | this is a list of files that have GL calls in them: http://trepan.bzflag.bz/gl-files.txt |
| 09:00.01 | LittleWhite | I have a question, maybe I missed a page into the wiki, for produce a patch, what I have to do ? |
| 09:00.28 | LittleWhite | ( I have already a source forge account :) ) |
| 09:00.47 | blast007 | the patch could be a bug fix, a new feature, etc |
| 09:00.57 | blast007 | just something that shows you know how to work with code, build, and test, etc |
| 09:01.02 | LittleWhite | and I have retrieve the code from the trunk |
| 09:01.33 | LittleWhite | I understand for the patch, but I was wondering, what are the command ( svn command i think ) for send the patch |
| 09:01.52 | LittleWhite | and have I to work with the trunk or one other branch ? |
| 09:05.08 | blast007 | svn diff |
| 09:05.14 | blast007 | and yes, trunk code |
| 09:06.03 | blast007 | basically you want to get your application in ASAP so that we can still comment on it and allow you to edit/improve it |
| 09:06.18 | blast007 | have you read our wiki page about how to do the application? |
| 09:07.00 | blast007 | http://my.bzflag.org/w/Google_Summer_of_Code/Application_Guidelines |
| 09:07.34 | LittleWhite | I have read ( maybe too quickly ) many pages of your wiki |
| 09:07.43 | blast007 | ok |
| 09:08.27 | LittleWhite | but as I not long time before the deadline to apply, I can't propose my own ideas |
| 09:11.18 | LittleWhite | can I ask something else about the form from google to do the proposal |
| 09:13.08 | LittleWhite | there is a first field for something called "abstract" or "summarise", they notice that all I write inside will be displayed publicly, so I am wondering what I have to write inside and how public is it? |
| 09:13.48 | Manu | last manu |
| 09:15.25 | blast007 | I think at least for now it will only be visible to mentors |
| 09:15.52 | LittleWhite | ok, I was not sure, thank you |
| 09:15.54 | blast007 | but might be viewable by anyone if you were to get selected |
| 09:15.59 | blast007 | I'm not really sure |
| 09:20.08 | LittleWhite | by quickly looking to the code source, would you like to have more const into the functions declaration ? |
| 09:21.37 | CIA-11 | BZFlag: 03KingofCamelot 07http://my.bzflag.org * r5668 10/w/User:KingofCamelot: /* Detailed Proposal */ |
| 09:28.34 | LittleWhite | Thank you for your answers, I will try to do my best for the proposal |
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| 09:31.09 | CIA-11 | BZFlag: 03KingofCamelot 07http://my.bzflag.org * r5670 10/w/User:KingofCamelot: /* Reflections On GSoC 2008 */ |
| 09:51.30 | CIA-11 | BZFlag: 03KingofCamelot 07http://my.bzflag.org * r5671 10/w/User:KingofCamelot: /* Abstract */ |
| 09:51.49 | CIA-11 | BZFlag: 03KingofCamelot 07http://my.bzflag.org * r5672 10/w/User:KingofCamelot: /* Abstract */ |
| 10:00.30 | adityav | hi |
| 10:00.39 | PositiveG | Hello |
| 10:00.48 | adityav | I am having some errors compiling BZflag on Windows http://pastebin.com/d725d763e |
| 10:03.47 | adityav | does using March09 SDK give problems? |
| 10:04.02 | adityav | its seems it can't find dinput.h |
| 10:04.51 | adityav | or dsound.h |
| 10:08.05 | blast007 | checks what version he has |
| 10:08.26 | blast007 | I have November 2008 |
| 10:08.55 | blast007 | I think Jeff had mentioned something about directsound being deprecated, so maybe they actually removed it now |
| 10:09.58 | adityav | i remember somethin like that.. will have to google if they removed it or not |
| 10:10.28 | blast007 | http://www.microsoft.com/downloads/details.aspx?familyid=5493F76A-6D37-478D-BA17-28B1CCA4865A&displaylang=en |
| 10:11.36 | adityav | Xaudio2 is supposed to be the replacement |
| 10:11.45 | blast007 | yup |
| 10:18.37 | CIA-11 | BZFlag: 03KingofCamelot 07http://my.bzflag.org * r5673 10/w/User:KingofCamelot: /* Detailed Proposal */ |
| 10:19.17 | CIA-11 | BZFlag: 03KingofCamelot 07http://my.bzflag.org * r5674 10/w/User:KingofCamelot: /* Detailed Proposal */ |
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| 10:42.40 | adityav | got it working |
| 10:42.43 | adityav | path problems |
| 10:43.17 | adityav | one thing though, the anti - aliasing options have 1/2/3/4/5/6/---16. AFAIK, only 1/2/4/8/16 existed... |
| 10:49.28 | adityav | this is cool : http://picasaweb.google.com/lh/photo/sbbEnh3klY8WjKnZ0xT2bg?authkey=Gv1sRgCJLv2Om0lPfxSA&feat=directlink |
| 11:05.15 | CIA-11 | BZFlag: 03KingofCamelot 07http://my.bzflag.org * r5675 10/w/User:KingofCamelot: /* Detailed Proposal */ |
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| 11:19.34 | CIA-11 | BZFlag: 03KingofCamelot 07http://my.bzflag.org * r5676 10/w/User:KingofCamelot: /* Google Summer of Code Application */ |
| 11:24.11 | KingofCamelot | that is pretty nifty adityav |
| 11:25.14 | CIA-11 | BZFlag: 03KingofCamelot 07http://my.bzflag.org * r5677 10/w/User:KingofCamelot: /* Proposed Timeline */ |
| 11:33.46 | CIA-11 | BZFlag: 03KingofCamelot 07http://my.bzflag.org * r5678 10/w/User:KingofCamelot: /* Proposed Timeline */ |
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| 11:41.28 | KingofCamelot | Man...500 character abstract is pretty short |
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| 11:59.49 | ruskie | http://www.linuxdevices.com/news/NS5134160105.html <--- hmm |
| 12:05.56 | spldart | I wish I knew the module they are using for that 3200 hd gpu... I haven't had luck getting 3d goin on mine yet ;) |
| 12:07.14 | ruskie | same here |
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| 12:07.49 | ruskie | the 9.3 ones don't work with xserver 1.6 and all I really want to do is benchmark it so I have something to compare once the Free drivers come out |
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| 12:20.00 | KingofCamelot | If there are any mentors around, I submitted my application a little while ago, but since there is still time to edit it, if anyone is kind enough to offer any comments, it can be found at: http://my.bzflag.org/w/User:KingofCamelot |
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| 12:47.27 | Thumper_ | KingofCamelot: just a sec |
| 12:48.26 | Thumper_ | KingofCamelot: You should be able to edit now |
| 12:51.59 | adityav | i would like it if any mentor can direct me to detail anything submitted for my GSOC application |
| 12:55.13 | KingofCamelot | Ah, thanks Thumper |
| 13:00.52 | nightstrike | same here, would like it if a mentor would review my application |
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| 13:26.22 | nightstrike | guys? |
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| 13:59.25 | Thumper_ | nightstrike: I read it - it looks good to me :) |
| 13:59.50 | nightstrike | thanks |
| 14:00.00 | nightstrike | I'm not sure if I've included enough detail there |
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| 14:07.14 | CIA-11 | BZFlag: 03Anomaly 07http://my.bzflag.org * r5679 10/w/Skybox: /* Working with Skyboxes. */ |
| 14:15.26 | nightstrike | kicks CIA-11 |
| 14:15.27 | CIA-11 | ow |
| 14:15.35 | nightstrike | i just love troubling the bot :) |
| 14:17.53 | Thumper_ | ~lart nightstrike |
| 14:17.53 | ibot | holds nightstrike to the floor and spanks him with a cat-o-nine-tails |
| 14:19.17 | nightstrike | casts level 3 avatar and is now immune to spells |
| 14:19.23 | nightstrike | any1 plays dota here? |
| 14:24.44 | spldart | We only play BZFlag.... hehe ;) |
| 14:25.24 | Thumper_ | goes to play "Prepare His Taxes" |
| 14:25.43 | spldart | 8-0 |
| 14:26.02 | spldart | Got mine in in Jan :-) |
| 14:28.56 | nightstrike | hehe, I play a lotta games |
| 14:29.27 | nightstrike | I take NFS rather seriously, I win a lot of tourneys here |
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| 15:15.17 | tigreped | Whazuup boys and girls! Good morning! \o/ |
| 15:15.27 | Cygal | hi |
| 15:15.47 | tigreped | Hey, I have a patch to make, does anybody have a hint on what to try to fix? I probably have lesse then 4 hours to do so |
| 15:15.58 | tigreped | Gsocccc \o/ |
| 15:16.46 | tigreped | Cygal: hey man. Dude...I entered somebody's server to test my installation here at linux... the game is great! Very tough to play! |
| 15:17.44 | tigreped | these guys from BZFlag ain't been around only playing games all day long! I bet there's a lot of hardwork in that game |
| 15:22.05 | Cygal | tigreped: grep TODO or FIXME in the code |
| 15:22.11 | Cygal | there are many places with small things to improve |
| 15:22.52 | Cygal | or, just skim across the code and improve something that looks weird to you |
| 15:37.01 | blast007 | there's also a BUGS file and our bugs tracker on SF.net |
| 15:46.38 | tigreped | Cygal: yeah...had already taken a look on those... will do it! Thanx again! |
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| 16:08.04 | *** topic/#bzflag by JefferyM -> http://cia.vc/stats/project/BZFlag || http://my.BZFlag.org/w/Getting_Help || Channel Logs: http://ibot.rikers.org/%23bzflag/ || http://ohloh.net/projects/189 || Latest Release: 2.0.12 (linux), 2.0.10 (everyone else) || GSoC2009 Student Application Deadline: TODAY! last call! |
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| 16:40.59 | Wyk3d | thinks google is punishing me for submitting a huge abstract last year |
| 16:41.06 | blast007 | hi SirMatthew |
| 16:41.29 | Wyk3d | s/me/him |
| 16:41.36 | SirMatthew | blast007, hello |
| 16:41.48 | SirMatthew | How are you all? |
| 16:41.51 | blast007 | good |
| 16:42.02 | SirMatthew | I came to see what this project is really about? |
| 16:42.17 | blast007 | it's about a tank game |
| 16:42.21 | SirMatthew | The Wiki is rather vague in many respects |
| 16:42.29 | SirMatthew | yeah, I got that much at least, haha. |
| 16:42.30 | Wyk3d | i updated the proposal, can someone take a look ? |
| 16:42.33 | xronosd | hello, guys |
| 16:42.43 | tvon | it's about booze and hookers, mostly |
| 16:42.51 | SirMatthew | hello xronosd |
| 16:44.00 | blast007 | ~lart tvon |
| 16:44.00 | ibot | farts in tvon's general direction |
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| 16:44.09 | tvon | nasty bot |
| 16:44.27 | nightstrike | neat! |
| 16:44.32 | nightstrike | ~lart nightstrike |
| 16:44.32 | ibot | throws nightstrike's poor little doggy off a cliff |
| 16:44.33 | nightstrike | :P |
| 16:44.46 | blast007 | SirMatthew: do you have any specific question? |
| 16:44.52 | SirMatthew | lol... I was thinking about the debugging or game logic jobs |
| 16:45.02 | Wyk3d | updated again, the last part was pasted from the wrong location .. |
| 16:45.20 | SirMatthew | I basically have time to do one more app and it's between this project and Wesnoth |
| 16:45.29 | JefferyM | is reviewing all proposals |
| 16:45.46 | blast007 | SirMatthew: kinda late in the game to be starting a proposal though, isn't it? :P |
| 16:46.19 | SirMatthew | That's the problem. I'm not very creative when it comes to thinking of something to do. I AM however, rather creative about my problem solving strategies. |
| 16:46.37 | SirMatthew | Believe me, I know... I've been up all night working on others. |
| 16:46.49 | blast007 | why didn't you start sooner? |
| 16:46.58 | SirMatthew | I've been insanely busy with classes lately doing homework 24/7. |
| 16:47.06 | blast007 | hehe |
| 16:47.21 | SirMatthew | I did actually, but all I managed to get done before the homework hit was my GSoC profile. |
| 16:47.37 | tvon | would be giddy if someone wrote some 'don't spawn me so I die immediately' code |
| 16:47.49 | SirMatthew | I'm a pretty good writer, that's not a problem. I just need to get an idea of what needs to be done. |
| 16:47.50 | blast007 | tvon: patches welcome :P |
| 16:48.07 | blast007 | but that really needs a better server-side state that knows where shots are |
| 16:48.18 | tvon | is looking at the code |
| 16:48.23 | JefferyM | SirMatthew, techincaly you have just over 2 hours |
| 16:48.33 | JefferyM | tvon, spawn pollicies do that in 3.0 |
| 16:48.37 | tvon | though just proximity would help... spawning within easy GM range is annoying |
| 16:48.40 | tvon | JefferyM: ahh, lovely |
| 16:48.48 | tvon | building trunk now to check it out |
| 16:48.56 | SirMatthew | I love troubleshooting bugs, so maybe I could do that one. I mean, how much of a proposal could there possibly be to that. I'd just be cleaning up other people's mess right? |
| 16:49.15 | JefferyM | if that is your attidue on it, I would not bother applying |
| 16:49.54 | SirMatthew | why's that? Don't get me wrong... I'm just a laid back guy. I'm a damn hard worker though. |
| 16:50.26 | SirMatthew | I haven't got any problem with it, haha. I love reorganizing chaos |
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| 16:51.03 | SirMatthew | JefferyM, am I wrong? |
| 16:51.34 | joevano | SirMatthew: laid back to apply = laid back to getting the project done |
| 16:51.41 | SirMatthew | I'm very serious minded... I just joke a lot. That sounds like a contradiction, but I know when to be one or the other. |
| 16:51.48 | SirMatthew | haha... no way. |
| 16:51.50 | joevano | which means lots of extra work for the mentors |
| 16:52.03 | SirMatthew | sorry, but you've got me wrong. I've been busy, it was really unavoidable. |
| 16:52.18 | SirMatthew | I only found out about GSoC about three weeks ago. |
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| 16:53.03 | SirMatthew | That was during finals. I had a week vacation which I visited family and friends I haven't seen for a couple years, now I've been swamped with homework. I did the best I could. |
| 16:53.46 | SirMatthew | Besides, anyone who would sacrifice a night of sleep to research programs and determine which would be a good fit, I don't think can be considered all that irresponsible if that's what you're trying to say.... |
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| 16:54.14 | SirMatthew | ANYWAY... sorry, this isn't really getting anywhere. I think we are just misunderstanding each other. |
| 16:54.46 | Wyk3d | SirMatther: some have researched many nights or even weeks on only one proposal |
| 16:55.59 | SirMatthew | That's great... I would have too had I had the time. I love to research and apply what I've learned. I also take great pride in my work. I'm afraid I just don't have that kind of free time while in school. |
| 16:56.02 | JefferyM | SirMatthew, the proposal needs to be decently details as we track your work by that |
| 16:56.18 | SirMatthew | So I write my own spec? |
| 16:56.21 | JefferyM | if it just say "hey I'llf ix some bug" I'll mark it as invalid |
| 16:56.32 | JefferyM | you haven't read the wiki page for students have you? |
| 16:56.53 | SirMatthew | http://my.bzflag.org/w/Google_Summer_of_Code/2009#Proposal_Ideas |
| 16:56.57 | SirMatthew | right? |
| 16:56.59 | JefferyM | no |
| 16:57.06 | SirMatthew | no? darn... which one? |
| 16:57.09 | JefferyM | see the link at the top there |
| 16:57.23 | SirMatthew | it said GSoC... I thought what else could it be? |
| 16:57.30 | JefferyM | basicly we are only going to have at most 3 students |
| 16:57.48 | SirMatthew | ok... |
| 16:57.49 | JefferyM | and I'll give the slots to the people who have the strongest propsals first |
| 16:57.50 | DTRemenak | our soc stuff is not all on one page... |
| 16:57.57 | JefferyM | exactly |
| 16:57.59 | SirMatthew | Well, I'm sure there are people better prepared than me. |
| 16:58.08 | SirMatthew | I'm very sorry to have wasted your time. |
| 16:58.13 | JefferyM | you didn |
| 16:58.21 | JefferyM | i'm just telling you what we expct |
| 16:58.26 | JefferyM | so that we are all on the same page :) |
| 16:58.29 | SirMatthew | I apologize if I insulted you in any way. I certainly didn't mean any disrespect. |
| 16:58.36 | JefferyM | oh no, not at all |
| 16:58.49 | JefferyM | the page you want is, http://my.bzflag.org/w/Google_Summer_of_Code |
| 16:58.56 | SirMatthew | ok |
| 16:58.57 | JefferyM | it has a lits of what we expect from students |
| 16:59.10 | JefferyM | it was linked at the top of that ideas page |
| 16:59.24 | DTRemenak | also http://my.bzflag.org/w/Google_Summer_of_Code/Application_Guidelines and http://my.bzflag.org/w/Google_Summer_of_Code_Acceptance |
| 16:59.26 | JefferyM | I do know that the "bugs" project is the hardest one to write a proposal for |
| 16:59.36 | JefferyM | but we do need a real proposal for it |
| 16:59.44 | JefferyM | we've gotten a lot of very weak ones |
| 16:59.56 | SirMatthew | well gosh... if I had even one more day, I'm sure I could come up with something good. At this rate I don't think I'll make it in time for this one unfortunately. |
| 17:00.26 | JefferyM | you are a little on the late side :) |
| 17:00.28 | SirMatthew | really? Hmmmm.... well. |
| 17:00.41 | SirMatthew | Yeah... unfortunately. Well, a deadline is a deadline. |
| 17:00.43 | DTRemenak | if we're a mentoring org again next year, you can always submit one then |
| 17:00.51 | JefferyM | indeed |
| 17:01.15 | tvon | Anyone building trunk on OSX? I'm specifically wondering if you just use Lua from ports or if there is a Framework I should be installing |
| 17:01.17 | DTRemenak | but this year, you have around 2 hours |
| 17:01.30 | JefferyM | tvon, we should have the lua code in our tree |
| 17:01.30 | SirMatthew | ok... I'll certainly keep it in mind. I plan on doing GSoC for the rest of my college years. Probably at least 2 years. |
| 17:01.36 | tvon | JefferyM: ah |
| 17:01.56 | SirMatthew | Thanks JefferyM! I appreciate the help. |
| 17:01.59 | SirMatthew | Cheers! |
| 17:03.32 | blast007 | tvon: it will only work with the lua in our source tree |
| 17:03.50 | JefferyM | we have mods |
| 17:04.02 | JefferyM | the build system should be set to use it automaticly |
| 17:04.53 | tvon | alright, that was a red herring... I thought it wasn't finding lua but it seems fine there |
| 17:05.04 | tvon | it's dying on 'No rule to make target `src/lapi.c', needed by `lapi.lo'. Stop' |
| 17:05.19 | blast007 | is that a clean checkout? |
| 17:05.53 | blast007 | that file was renamed to .cxx |
| 17:06.07 | tvon | was originally from a month or more ago, I'll distclean |
| 17:06.08 | blast007 | run a 'make distclean' and start over |
| 17:07.55 | blast007 | JefferyM: I played around with the Game Definition File Editor from the DX SDK |
| 17:08.07 | JefferyM | cool |
| 17:08.11 | blast007 | just need to figure out how to build a .dll from the generated files (or whatever it needs exactly) |
| 17:08.39 | blast007 | there's two sample apps in the SDK that relate to that, one of which is a DLL you can use to install games into the games explorer |
| 17:09.15 | JefferyM | I thought it was just some XML file it needed |
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| 17:09.58 | SirMatthew | anyone else use Dev C++ for Development? |
| 17:10.12 | JefferyM | no |
| 17:10.24 | JefferyM | it is a toy compiler |
| 17:10.27 | SirMatthew | I've been using it for a long time, but I was wondering if there's anything better out there as far as an IDE for Windows? |
| 17:10.28 | JefferyM | and there is a free version of VC |
| 17:10.36 | SirMatthew | LOL... |
| 17:10.43 | SirMatthew | That's MS right? |
| 17:10.43 | adityav | Code blocks |
| 17:10.44 | JefferyM | yeah visual C++ |
| 17:10.47 | JefferyM | yeah |
| 17:10.56 | adityav | C::B all the way!! |
| 17:11.19 | SirMatthew | Ugh... it's not gcc though right? Well, I guess I can download it. I've heard good things about the VC debugger. |
| 17:11.29 | SirMatthew | C::B ?? |
| 17:11.29 | adityav | apparently C::B has a module to import Devcpp's projects too |
| 17:11.32 | SirMatthew | oh... |
| 17:11.35 | JefferyM | code blocks have a debuger? |
| 17:11.39 | adityav | its an ide |
| 17:11.45 | SirMatthew | yeah, I've heard of that one. Is it actually any good? |
| 17:11.49 | adityav | can work on any backend |
| 17:11.53 | adityav | its the best |
| 17:11.53 | SirMatthew | I found that on Lifehacker.com |
| 17:12.08 | JefferyM | bzflag no longer maintains devC++ projects |
| 17:12.22 | JefferyM | it was too limited to be able to build the full project |
| 17:12.26 | JefferyM | basicly it can't build DLLs |
| 17:12.37 | SirMatthew | yeah, I don't doubt that one bit, haha |
| 17:12.39 | JefferyM | or multi project things |
| 17:12.41 | adityav | code browsing features are simply amazing..., and supports any compiler out there, and any project file types ( can convert MSVC to its) |
| 17:12.47 | SirMatthew | how about C::B? |
| 17:12.58 | adityav | i use C::B + VS2005 compiler and debugger |
| 17:12.59 | JefferyM | vc is pretty good |
| 17:12.59 | SirMatthew | I'm assuming it's more functional than DevC++ |
| 17:13.05 | adityav | give it a try |
| 17:13.29 | JefferyM | bzflag should build with ether debug or release configs right out of the source tree using the free VC 2008 |
| 17:13.31 | SirMatthew | Hmmm.... C::B then eh? |
| 17:13.42 | JefferyM | as long as you have the platform SDK and DirectX |
| 17:13.58 | SirMatthew | I like lightweight apps... but I should probably DL VC too... I can get it free through my university. |
| 17:14.12 | JefferyM | you can get it free from anywhere |
| 17:14.16 | JefferyM | there is a FREE VERSION |
| 17:14.16 | SirMatthew | I get most MS wares free actually |
| 17:14.18 | JefferyM | for anyone |
| 17:14.25 | JefferyM | 2008 EE |
| 17:14.28 | SirMatthew | This is the full version though.. not free |
| 17:14.44 | JefferyM | what you gonna do a 64 bit build? |
| 17:14.49 | JefferyM | that's about all you don't get with EE :) |
| 17:15.11 | adityav | actually, i installed VS2008 ( Through MSDNAA ) then fell in love with C::B... so i configured it to use VS08's includes, libs, compiler, debugger.. |
| 17:15.54 | SirMatthew | oh yeah? haha... well, I'm just saying that it's free so I might as well take it right? |
| 17:16.02 | SirMatthew | I mean the one I get from my uni... |
| 17:16.15 | SirMatthew | yeah, that's it. MSDNAA |
| 17:16.20 | SirMatthew | That's what we have too |
| 17:16.30 | JefferyM | first he says light weight, then he goes and gets the full version with more stuff then he needs ;) |
| 17:16.33 | L4m3r | MSDNAA rocks |
| 17:16.39 | SirMatthew | C::B is THAT good huh? wow, haha |
| 17:16.40 | adityav | yo! |
| 17:16.54 | SirMatthew | LOL... yeah, I'm wierd like that, haha. |
| 17:17.01 | SirMatthew | weird* |
| 17:17.21 | SirMatthew | Imma get C::B then... I'll try that first. |
| 17:17.27 | L4m3r | though it is slightly annoying that they don't provide Office |
| 17:17.36 | tvon | hrm, libtool is now crapping in the lua directory with "../../../libtool: line 804: X--tag=CXX: command not found" |
| 17:17.50 | L4m3r | but I guess they have to get students to buy SOMETHING |
| 17:17.51 | SirMatthew | oh... will it compile the game with it's own install or do I need any particular libraries other than what's included in the zip? |
| 17:18.05 | SirMatthew | Well, it's greatly discounted though. |
| 17:18.28 | L4m3r | true |
| 17:18.34 | adityav | on windows, you would need VS compilers and DirectXSDK.. on linux, gcc |
| 17:18.37 | SirMatthew | yeah... lol |
| 17:18.50 | adityav | C::B is platfrom independent.. |
| 17:18.59 | L4m3r | you know, I've never done a Windows build of the game |
| 17:19.03 | SirMatthew | figures... I HATE windows... UGH! |
| 17:19.19 | SirMatthew | well, I'll give it a try and see what happens, haha. |
| 17:19.31 | adityav | feels like a C::B publicity rep |
| 17:19.40 | tvon | going back to autogen... |
| 17:19.44 | SirMatthew | Obviously I'm not going to make the deadline, but that doesn't mean I can't still be involved right? |
| 17:20.05 | JefferyM | anyone can submit patches :) |
| 17:20.06 | SirMatthew | It just won't be for GSoC... or paid... haha |
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| 17:21.04 | Wyk3d | you'll probably enjoy it more if you're not paid ;) |
| 17:21.47 | SirMatthew | really? hmmm, I'm not so sure about that. I don't want to sound like a munny grubber because I'm TOTALLY not, I just have a HUGE MOUND of student loans to pay off. |
| 17:22.15 | SirMatthew | Heck, it's all part of the experience anyway. |
| 17:22.24 | L4m3r | my employer has informed me that I will be able to work this summer because of my position... so I guess I will |
| 17:22.49 | L4m3r | now if I could just get someone to tell me whether or not I can get a place to live, I'd be golden |
| 17:22.50 | tvon | well, if you're not being paid then you are only doing it to 'scratch an itch', which is generally enjoyable |
| 17:23.05 | SirMatthew | haha... |
| 17:23.10 | SirMatthew | let's hope... |
| 17:23.20 | L4m3r | tvon: that could be taken out of context in some amusing ways |
| 17:23.28 | SirMatthew | ah yes.. I agree tvon |
| 17:23.33 | tvon | L4m3r: hah |
| 17:23.37 | SirMatthew | lol |
| 17:24.16 | blast007 | JefferyM: do we still need BZFSLauncher? |
| 17:24.35 | JefferyM | I "think" StartBZFS does everything it did |
| 17:24.46 | JefferyM | <PROTECTED> |
| 17:24.48 | Erroneous | what, we have ANOTHER launcher now? |
| 17:24.54 | SirMatthew | Did you just install the base package of C::B? |
| 17:25.08 | blast007 | hmm, guess I don't have 2008 C# on here, just 2005 |
| 17:25.09 | SirMatthew | adityav |
| 17:26.07 | adityav | get the nightlybuild |
| 17:26.40 | blast007 | JefferyM: well, that GDF editor generates a directory with the XML file, the small .ico icon, and the larger icon (png) |
| 17:26.45 | blast007 | but it also has a header file |
| 17:26.48 | adityav | http://forums.codeblocks.org/index.php?PHPSESSID=e939cfd3ff1676058efdac7b89c69a3c&board=20.0 |
| 17:26.49 | blast007 | and an .rc file |
| 17:27.19 | JefferyM | hmmm so we have to build it into bz? |
| 17:27.33 | blast007 | not sure yet |
| 17:27.46 | adityav | i also had written a blog on how to integrate VS2005 into C::B : http://adityaon.wordpress.com/2008/07/10/using-visual-studio-2005-in-codeblocks/ |
| 17:27.51 | blast007 | that one DLL I mentioned might handle it for us |
| 17:29.03 | blast007 | JefferyM: oh, and adityav had downloaded the March 2009 DX SDK and seemed to be missing dinput.h and dsound.h |
| 17:29.21 | JefferyM | fun |
| 17:29.27 | JefferyM | dsound is being desuported |
| 17:29.36 | L4m3r | puts on his day-glo orange BZFlag shirt and heads to class |
| 17:29.39 | JefferyM | xaudio2 FTW |
| 17:29.55 | adityav | naa, it was due to paths incorrectly mentioned |
| 17:30.01 | adityav | had to manually add paths to it |
| 17:30.03 | blast007 | ah |
| 17:30.28 | blast007 | well that's good then. |
| 17:31.04 | L4m3r | you know, I just thought of something |
| 17:31.18 | L4m3r | a built-in test launcher would be a killer feature for BZWB. |
| 17:31.36 | blast007 | is anyone running Vista and able to duplicate the "Sound Volume: Unavailable" problem? (in Options > Audio Settings) |
| 17:33.12 | blast007 | my vista system seems to work right after I installed the development environment :/ |
| 17:33.18 | JefferyM | yeah we are going to have to go to something else for sound at some poiint |
| 17:33.23 | JefferyM | good thing I split that class out :) |
| 17:33.25 | blast007 | heh |
| 17:34.02 | blast007 | I just need to wipe my machine out or locate a vista home premium DVD to see if a non-dev install has the problem |
| 17:34.22 | blast007 | might just be needing to update DirectX 9 on Vista systems |
| 17:34.56 | tvon | wiped my checkout and started over, seems to be building fine... fwiw just going from distclean back to autogen/configure/make didn't work |
| 17:35.00 | JefferyM | I'm pondering openAL |
| 17:35.04 | JefferyM | but that makes the installer harder |
| 17:35.11 | JefferyM | and another dependency |
| 17:35.13 | blast007 | not really ;) |
| 17:35.21 | JefferyM | well it's another thing we have to install |
| 17:35.23 | blast007 | we're already gonna have to do it for one thing |
| 17:35.28 | JefferyM | yeah |
| 17:35.32 | blast007 | maybe another if we need to update DX9 on vista |
| 17:35.39 | blast007 | (toss in the web updater) |
| 17:35.46 | JefferyM | I was going to look into Xaudio2 and see if it works with unmanaged code |
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| 17:36.02 | blast007 | k |
| 17:36.30 | JefferyM | for this release we'll probalby just have to stick with specific versions of the direct X SDK |
| 17:36.56 | blast007 | JefferyM: he said it worked with the latest, if that's what you're referring to |
| 17:37.52 | JefferyM | you said the may one didn't have the headers |
| 17:39.48 | blast007 | 12:29:55 < adityav> naa, it was due to paths incorrectly mentioned |
| 17:39.49 | blast007 | 12:30:01 < adityav> had to manually add paths to it |
| 17:40.30 | JefferyM | oh |
| 17:40.31 | JefferyM | sorry |
| 17:40.38 | JefferyM | I am like totaly doing 5 things at once :) |
| 17:46.39 | tvon | shots look great in trunk |
| 17:48.37 | tvon | steering feels mushy |
| 17:48.49 | tvon | not that anyone needs my opinion on the matter.... |
| 17:50.50 | BulletCatcher | Input acceleration limiting is turned on by default in trunk. In 2.0.x it is not. |
| 17:51.28 | blast007 | tvon: there's a different kind of shots (in addition to the geobolts) that you can enable |
| 17:51.48 | blast007 | turn up the "Shot Length" setting under the Effects Menu settings |
| 17:51.48 | tvon | BulletCatcher: ahh |
| 17:52.05 | tvon | blast007: ahh, I saw the tail on rico, thought the shot length was talking about radar though |
| 17:52.08 | tvon | nice |
| 17:52.37 | blast007 | yeah, I like those even better |
| 17:53.15 | blast007 | there was talk quite a while back about using those instead of geobolt, except for laser and thief |
| 17:53.45 | CIA-11 | BZFlag: 03trepan * r19586 10/trunk/bzflag/tools/BZFSLauncher/Makefile: * replacement for monobuild.sh, also looks for the mono compiler |
| 17:54.12 | trepan | JefferyM: example for StartBZFS, etc... |
| 17:54.48 | JefferyM | monobuild can read the vc project just fine ;) |
| 17:54.57 | SirMatthew | what is trunk? I've been trying to figure it out by context, but I just can't get it. |
| 17:55.11 | JefferyM | trunk is our dev code |
| 17:55.18 | JefferyM | it is the middle of the tree |
| 17:55.20 | SirMatthew | like the latest revision? |
| 17:55.24 | JefferyM | the part that all the branches come from |
| 17:55.25 | JefferyM | yes |
| 17:55.25 | trepan | JefferyM: monobuild.sh ? |
| 17:55.26 | JefferyM | ish |
| 17:55.32 | SirMatthew | Hmmm... |
| 17:55.38 | SirMatthew | ok |
| 17:55.40 | JefferyM | sorry mondev |
| 17:55.48 | JefferyM | is spread thin |
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| 17:56.34 | tvon | has been talking about a tree in his hard the whole time, dunno what this dev code is you speak of |
| 17:56.39 | tvon | er, in my yard |
| 17:56.39 | tvon | sheesh |
| 17:56.49 | tvon | the y is like, right there |
| 17:57.19 | tvon | BulletCatcher: is there a menu item I'm not seeing to change input accel? |
| 17:57.28 | blast007 | tvon: it's a sever setting |
| 17:57.32 | tvon | ahh |
| 17:57.34 | blast007 | server* |
| 17:57.48 | BulletCatcher | severs blast007's server |
| 17:57.53 | blast007 | noes! |
| 17:58.20 | tvon | the server list is lovely, btw... can't tell you how much I've wanted something like that now that it seems like everyone and their brother runs bzfs |
| 17:58.41 | tvon | once upon of time there were like 4 servers to choose from, things have gotten out of hand |
| 17:58.58 | tvon | *and* I'm tired of joining servers that have "super fast tanks and shots!!!!" |
| 17:59.11 | tvon | so yeah, server list is nicely improved |
| 18:00.29 | SirMatthew | adityav, OMIGOSH!! I'm so sorry, I've been looking all over the freakin place and I can't find the nightly build of C::B. I was JUST looking at it the other day too. |
| 18:00.49 | SirMatthew | Do you happen to have a link to it? I can use it in XP right? |
| 18:01.23 | adityav | posted the link here, wait, will post again |
| 18:01.37 | BulletCatcher | "Trunk" refers to the portion of the Subversion repository containing the code that will eventually be released as BZFlag 3.0. |
| 18:01.38 | BulletCatcher | The 2.0.x version is called "branch" and is found in the v2_0branch section of the Subversion repository. |
| 18:01.57 | JefferyM | wonders how many more apps we'll get in the next hour |
| 18:01.58 | SirMatthew | ok... sorry man. |
| 18:01.59 | adityav | http://forums.codeblocks.org/index.php?PHPSESSID=e939cfd3ff1676058efdac7b89c69a3c&board=20.0 |
| 18:02.04 | SirMatthew | I really appreciate it... thanks |
| 18:02.25 | adityav | no probs dude |
| 18:02.29 | SirMatthew | yeah, I'm looking at that |
| 18:02.39 | SirMatthew | I don't see the download... am I totally blind or what? |
| 18:02.56 | JefferyM | perhaps you guys could discuss your tools in #bzflag-chat or in a /msg? |
| 18:02.56 | SirMatthew | good grief, I MUST be. |
| 18:03.10 | SirMatthew | sorry... |
| 18:03.28 | JefferyM | no big, it was just getting a little more detailed then I think the rest of us care about ;) |
| 18:03.45 | SirMatthew | I can respect that. |
| 18:05.37 | Wyk3d | if some details need to be clarified about a proposal, can those be discussed after the deadline ? |
| 18:05.58 | JefferyM | yes |
| 18:06.02 | CIA-11 | BZFlag: 03trepan * r19587 10/trunk/bzflag/tools/BZFSLauncher/monobuild.sh: * removed monobuild.sh |
| 18:06.05 | Wyk3d | cool |
| 18:06.15 | JefferyM | but the requests for info have all gone out now |
| 18:06.22 | JefferyM | so if you don't have any more comments you are fine |
| 18:06.28 | nightstrike | JefferyM, I can take off the link to the PDF right? Guess you guys wouldn't need it? |
| 18:06.32 | nightstrike | my application I mean? |
| 18:06.36 | JefferyM | sure |
| 18:07.43 | nightstrike | done |
| 18:07.58 | nightstrike | keeps his fingers crossed |
| 18:08.10 | nightstrike | the 17 day long wait begins :| |
| 18:08.13 | JefferyM | your guys's apps are ok fror now from what I know |
| 18:08.18 | JefferyM | it won't just be a wait |
| 18:08.30 | JefferyM | as we weed out we talk to the applicants etc.. |
| 18:08.37 | JefferyM | we have a number of good apps this year |
| 18:08.48 | JefferyM | more then we will have slots |
| 18:09.24 | brlcad | way more |
| 18:09.39 | brlcad | this is going to be really tough |
| 18:09.50 | JefferyM | so we may ask to talk to each of you, in the interm period |
| 18:10.08 | JefferyM | helps us know the person not just the project :) |
| 18:11.00 | brlcad | on a positive note, everyone has approximately a 10% chance of being selected |
| 18:11.21 | temp_work | everyone? :) |
| 18:11.24 | JefferyM | you count the last 3 that just came in? we are up to 32 |
| 18:11.41 | adityav | oh god |
| 18:12.00 | JefferyM | there is a quality gap |
| 18:12.05 | Erroneous | heh. if it was by roll of the dice, sure. some of those apps are pretty lame though. |
| 18:12.13 | JefferyM | many of the applicaants have never even come here |
| 18:12.17 | JefferyM | and that hurts them BIGTIME |
| 18:12.45 | tigreped | yeah...I talk by myself... I have great consciousness that I should have prepared things before... |
| 18:13.17 | JefferyM | my rule of thumb is, if you have not had any communication with us other then submitting an app, you are out on the first round of culling |
| 18:13.34 | tigreped | I haven't had time to prepare any relevant patch...so I guess I'll just die for this year...since it is mandatory selection criteria |
| 18:13.43 | JefferyM | but at least you are HERE talking |
| 18:13.50 | JefferyM | when do you think you can have a pach by? |
| 18:13.52 | Erroneous | we can accomodate late patches, that's not a big deal |
| 18:13.57 | Erroneous | but you do need to tell us |
| 18:14.00 | JefferyM | yeah as long as you talk to us |
| 18:14.08 | tigreped | well...since it is important to have communication during all the process, it is really absurd not to have come talk around here... those guys are crazy |
| 18:14.19 | ParadoxG | Should our IRC names be listed in the content of the application? |
| 18:14.28 | JefferyM | many of them just spam simple apps to lots of orgs |
| 18:14.31 | JefferyM | ParadoxG, PLEASE |
| 18:14.49 | JefferyM | I've got a spreadsheet just to sort you bastards out ;) |
| 18:14.53 | tigreped | Oh, really? as I told JefferyM, I had trouble in the end of the term, so had started only yesterday morning... |
| 18:15.12 | JefferyM | tigreped, and you left before I could ask you when you think you'd have it ;) |
| 18:15.22 | JefferyM | when do you think you could have something by? |
| 18:15.23 | adityav | goes to double check if he has written his IRC alias |
| 18:15.50 | JefferyM | if you haven't put your IRC name, 1) go do it, and 2) /msg me your real name so I can add it to my list |
| 18:15.51 | tigreped | I really believe that would be the case...I took a fine look all over the src, but even the 'small' fixes would demand some further studying...I dare not deliver some bizarre useless patches |
| 18:16.08 | JefferyM | tigreped, actualy I don't care what the pathc is |
| 18:16.13 | JefferyM | it dosn't have to be usefull |
| 18:16.25 | JefferyM | it's just a test to see if you can code something, use our tools, and get something done |
| 18:16.32 | Thumper_ | adityav: yes you did |
| 18:16.41 | JefferyM | it can't be like a one line change, but it dons't havce to be a real bug or anything |
| 18:16.52 | JefferyM | implement a new flag, add some stupid feature, I don't care |
| 18:16.58 | JefferyM | it's just a sample of what you can do |
| 18:17.12 | tigreped | JefferyM: gee... oO then that's simpler indeed oO I was more like careful... |
| 18:17.46 | JefferyM | most students want the patch to be some sort of glorious thing that will make us LOVE you |
| 18:17.48 | JefferyM | that won't happen |
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| 18:18.06 | JefferyM | a good patch is great but it is not a deal breaker in any way |
| 18:18.12 | nightstrike | oh, I thought the patch was going to greatly influence our chances :| |
| 18:18.17 | tigreped | AHUuhahuaHUAHUhuahuAa... oh, thanx god...that's pretty much a spongebob line of thought |
| 18:18.28 | JefferyM | I'd rather know your skills and time management more then you "wowing" me with a super late patch |
| 18:18.37 | nightstrike | so the strength of the application is what matters eh? |
| 18:18.50 | JefferyM | if your skills are solid, you'll wow me later wtih your project |
| 18:19.00 | nightstrike | :) |
| 18:19.02 | JefferyM | nightstrike, mostly it's the strenth of the person, then the application |
| 18:19.07 | nightstrike | oh |
| 18:19.15 | JefferyM | we need to be sure that YOU will finish what you started |
| 18:19.26 | JefferyM | and that you can do what you say you can do |
| 18:19.30 | JefferyM | and that we can work with you |
| 18:19.37 | nightstrike | oh ok |
| 18:19.43 | JefferyM | now people who are good at those thigns tend to have strong apps too :) |
| 18:19.48 | JefferyM | cus they go toether |
| 18:20.02 | nightstrike | I'll be on IRC most of the time. So I'm always around for a chat :) |
| 18:20.31 | nightstrike | yeah, there's this senior of mine who was the most in-demand student 3 years ago in GSoC. His apps were godlike |
| 18:20.36 | nightstrike | it's his 2nd year as mentor now |
| 18:20.43 | nightstrike | gentoo,plan9,mozilla etc.... |
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| 18:22.23 | tigreped | well...I had compiled the game...and was taking a ride on it on some servers...I suck Oo |
| 18:22.42 | tigreped | got beaten up completely |
| 18:23.23 | tigreped | is there already some sort of map building application or is it all brutally made out on opengl lines/? |
| 18:23.40 | JefferyM | ParadoxG, we expect the cleanup projects to be iterative processes |
| 18:23.45 | JefferyM | not a code dump then testing |
| 18:24.07 | JefferyM | your design should be workable where you can move each bit of code into your design and still be buildable |
| 18:24.25 | JefferyM | no student will be left to go off and do work and then come back and plop code down |
| 18:24.37 | Erroneous | tigreped: we read the maps from text files. there are a few tools to help (bzedit for 1.x-style maps, a blender export plugin, modeltool, etc). the wiki has more information if you're interested. |
| 18:25.11 | adityav | iterative coding |
| 18:25.28 | adityav | shouldn't break the application? |
| 18:25.35 | ParadoxG | I usually use the iterative method, must have forgot to mention it there |
| 18:25.46 | Erroneous | bzworkbench is supposed to be our map editor. it's not quite done (thus the soc project). |
| 18:25.48 | JefferyM | well you didn't metnion much ;) |
| 18:25.52 | ParadoxG | Should that be a part of the milestones? |
| 18:26.01 | JefferyM | it should be part of your design |
| 18:26.19 | Erroneous | adityav: depending on the project, you may break things. if we expect that you'll need to break things for long periods of time, you'll be working in a branch away from everyone else ;) |
| 18:26.32 | nightstrike | JefferyM, I didn't explicitly mention any milestones, although I've charted out my roadmap accordingly. Will that do? |
| 18:26.36 | JefferyM | you also need to give us an overview of your intened design |
| 18:26.41 | JefferyM | nightstrike, yes |
| 18:26.48 | JefferyM | I actualy perfer a roadmap to milestones |
| 18:27.07 | Erroneous | it's the same idea either way, just a different way of expressing it |
| 18:27.08 | JefferyM | and I'm gonna be brutaly honest here to anyone, so if I offend anyone, sorryt |
| 18:27.24 | JefferyM | any milestone that is "learn the code" makes me want to just delete your application |
| 18:27.44 | JefferyM | because we arn't going to take the risk of you sitting around for 2 weeks to get a feel for things |
| 18:27.58 | JefferyM | that's what this time, and the comunity bonding period is for |
| 18:28.00 | trepan | JefferyM: fwiw, standard *nix policy is to look for execs in PATH |
| 18:28.11 | Erroneous | the best way to learn it is to experiment with it anyway |
| 18:28.14 | JefferyM | trepan, yeah brlcad was going to code that up for me |
| 18:28.18 | trepan | cool |
| 18:28.35 | JefferyM | trepan, you mean you don't like the path I return now? it's not valid? ;) |
| 18:29.10 | Erroneous | and since you'll be committing frequently, if you're doing something silly you'll hear about it pretty quickly. peer review is awesome. |
| 18:29.17 | trepan | "and One or more of the paths to the BZFlag program files could not be found, please set them manually" |
| 18:29.27 | trepan | s/and // |
| 18:29.46 | JefferyM | you hav the code, please feel free to eidt ;) |
| 18:29.51 | nightstrike | quickly checks his application to see if he's mentioned anything about learning the code! |
| 18:30.05 | trepan | JefferyM: bassically, you return no path, is that what you meant? |
| 18:30.06 | adityav | has.. :( |
| 18:30.13 | Erroneous | it's not terrible if it's in your application, we'll just tell you to skip that step if you're accepted |
| 18:30.46 | Erroneous | as far as I'm concerned, anyway. I suppose different mentors might have different evaluation criteria. |
| 18:30.49 | JefferyM | and just a clarification, while we will ask for more info after the deadline, that does NOT mean you have till after the deadline to get your application done. If your application has holes in it, we will dump it first round. |
| 18:31.20 | JefferyM | yeah if you have it that's fine, but know that it should not be one of the main points in your entire proposal |
| 18:31.27 | JefferyM | trepan, I was just guessing in the C# part |
| 18:31.39 | JefferyM | I thought oyu were talking about the bzflag/bzfs parts |
| 18:31.51 | trepan | that's a hack, don't much care about that ;-) |
| 18:31.52 | JefferyM | I have done no testing at all on it for nix or tosh |
| 18:31.56 | trepan | JefferyM: "error CS0117: `System.PlatformID' does not contain a definition for `MacOSX'" |
| 18:32.05 | JefferyM | install windows |
| 18:32.06 | trepan | had to comment it out to get it to compile, weird |
| 18:32.13 | JefferyM | what version of mono do you have? |
| 18:32.18 | JefferyM | I assume 2.0 or later |
| 18:32.19 | trepan | Mono C# compiler version 2.0.1.0 |
| 18:32.23 | JefferyM | hmm |
| 18:32.30 | JefferyM | there is a 2.4 now I think |
| 18:32.39 | JefferyM | it's possible that was added in .net 3.5 |
| 18:34.07 | trepan | fwiw, used a Makefile to build StartBZFS, much simpler :) |
| 18:34.19 | JefferyM | whatever floats your boat |
| 18:34.29 | JefferyM | command line build system is all up to you guys |
| 18:34.33 | Erroneous | JefferyM: it was added in SP2 for .net 2.0 |
| 18:34.43 | JefferyM | hmm, then I think mono should have it |
| 18:35.09 | JefferyM | goes to lunch for a break |
| 18:35.15 | JefferyM | students, finish your crap |
| 18:35.28 | Erroneous | MS added it in January, so only very recent versions of mono are likely to have it |
| 18:36.31 | CIA-11 | BZFlag: 03trepan * r19588 10/trunk/bzflag/tools/StartBZFS/Makefile: * added a simple Makefile |
| 18:36.40 | trepan | uses $(shell /bin/ls *.cs) for sources files ... |
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| 18:37.50 | blast007 | tigreped: which version of bzflag did you build? Saw you mentioned you "got beaten up", which makes me suspect 2.0.x (since there isn't many/any players in trunk) |
| 18:38.31 | Erroneous | ah, that's the other thing...please submit patches against trunk. if you submit a patch against 2.0 we will ask you to rebase it against trunk, which is much harder than just writing it against trunk to begin with ;) |
| 18:40.32 | Wyk3d | speaking of rebase .. svn to git conversion is still running after a week :( |
| 18:41.02 | tigreped | blast007: 2.0.12 actually |
| 18:41.12 | blast007 | that's old code |
| 18:41.16 | blast007 | get trunk from SVN |
| 18:41.28 | KingofCamelot | Can I commit my patch changes to trunk since I have commit access? :P Actually fixes a bug and what not. I could just leave it though if changing the trunk code will make it hard for you guys to view the patch. |
| 18:41.28 | tigreped | cool |
| 18:41.53 | blast007 | you will not be working with 2.0.x code, unless you want to play the game ;) |
| 18:42.04 | blast007 | (with lots of other people, that is) |
| 18:42.17 | blast007 | trunk code is 2.99.x which will become 3.0.0 when it is released |
| 18:42.34 | blast007 | http://my.bzflag.org/w/SVN |
| 18:43.49 | tigreped | I won't lie... I do wanna play the game \o/ |
| 18:43.57 | tigreped | nice |
| 18:44.02 | tigreped | getting it down |
| 18:48.26 | joevano | KingofCamelot: you can commit to trunk, just let us know the revision # |
| 18:49.25 | joevano | surprisingly we all know how to use our tools to look at the code, although that may be debateable for some ;) |
| 18:51.31 | tigreped | actually... there seems to be something wrong...as if there was some hardship in accepting the connection with the svn... I suppose no sourceforge login is required to simply download from svn |
| 18:51.36 | tigreped | ? |
| 18:52.43 | Wyk3d | did you cancel it ? .. it may take a while |
| 18:52.51 | joevano | tigreped: that is correct, read acces does not require a login |
| 18:53.54 | blast007 | tigreped: what OS are you on? |
| 18:54.32 | *** part/#bzflag ep (n=mdr@about/essy/guynextdoor/ep) |
| 18:54.41 | blast007 | (if Windows, you could just use the 2.0.10 installer if you want to play. 2.0.12 wasn't really any different than 2.0.10 as it was released just to fix linux build issues) |
| 18:55.34 | blast007 | Erroneous: does Visual C++ 2008 Express not support add-ins? |
| 18:56.11 | blast007 | I also couldn't seem to build the installer for exTabSettings with the Express edition of Visual C# 2008. Assuming I need the full visual studio for that? |
| 18:57.31 | tigreped | Ubuntu 8.10 |
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| 18:59.05 | blast007 | k |
| 18:59.12 | Cygal | Erroneous: concerning this entry in the BUGS file: « someone broke the key-driving rotational acceleration dampening, feels like 1.7 driving again. » |
| 18:59.21 | Cygal | do you have a more precise explanation? |
| 18:59.24 | blast007 | they probably have a binary copy of 2.0.10 or 2.0.12 for that |
| 18:59.49 | Cygal | (JefferyM said you would know this issue) |
| 19:00.12 | Cygal | (application submitted by the way) |
| 19:01.54 | tigreped | be right back |
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| 19:12.03 | tvon | anyone want to play some 2.99 decks? |
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| 19:22.17 | blast007 | tvon: sure, let me grab a client |
| 19:22.26 | tvon | sweet |
| 19:22.36 | tvon | it's in the list, civicit.com |
| 19:24.39 | blast007 | yup, I'm there |
| 19:36.38 | Erroneous | Cygal: I have no idea what that means, and I'm not sure why JefferyM sent you to me. I try not to touch keyboard movement stuff, since I don't play that way. Try asking brlcad. |
| 19:37.15 | JefferyM | Erroneous, only because when I mentioned it, you had said "Oh yeah, that's from ages ago" |
| 19:37.19 | brlcad | hm? |
| 19:37.36 | brlcad | oooh, turn dampening |
| 19:37.38 | JefferyM | this was at the mentor summit last year when we were all going over the list :) |
| 19:37.43 | brlcad | yeah, sucks again now :) |
| 19:37.44 | Erroneous | ah, I was probably just looking at the svn log |
| 19:37.46 | JefferyM | or maybe it was brlcad |
| 19:37.54 | JefferyM | it was one of you 2 |
| 19:37.58 | brlcad | probably me |
| 19:38.03 | brlcad | it's specific to keyboard driving |
| 19:38.13 | *** topic/#bzflag by JefferyM -> http://cia.vc/stats/project/BZFlag || http://my.BZFlag.org/w/Getting_Help || Channel Logs: http://ibot.rikers.org/%23bzflag/ || http://ohloh.net/projects/189 || Latest Release: 2.0.12 (linux), 2.0.10 (everyone else) || GSoC2009 Student Application Deadline: OVER |
| 19:38.15 | Erroneous | brlcad is the keyboard driving maniac :) |
| 19:39.12 | brlcad | there was something like a 100ms acceleration ramp/dampen when driving that let you be very precise with keyboard shots |
| 19:39.21 | brlcad | instead of just full-on/off all the time |
| 19:39.50 | brlcad | that subtlety made it possible to have tiny aim adjustments like you get inside the mouse box |
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| 19:41.04 | Cygal | ah indeed, it would be useful, it is impossible to be precise with the keyboard now |
| 19:45.08 | JefferyM | 35 apps total :) |
| 19:49.34 | L4m3r | I find that the "slow keyboard motion" key provides enough precision for me |
| 19:50.05 | L4m3r | but I don't play Ducati or any of the other really skill-intensive styles |
| 19:55.11 | KingofCamelot | JefferyM, how many apps last year? |
| 19:56.18 | JefferyM | 35 |
| 19:56.20 | JefferyM | oh last year |
| 19:56.27 | JefferyM | it was like 28I think |
| 20:04.19 | brlcad | 21 apps from 20 people last year |
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| 20:04.32 | JefferyM | cool |
| 20:05.00 | brlcad | this year 35 from 30 |
| 20:05.14 | brlcad | 50% increase is impressive |
| 20:07.06 | Erroneous | is pretty sure the good:bad ratio is lower this year though |
| 20:07.08 | JefferyM | mentions to all students that he'll be whiping out the first pass sythe when he gets home tongiht (about 5 hours) so if we have asked you stuff in a comment on your app, repply soon. |
| 20:07.40 | Cygal | sure |
| 20:07.51 | JefferyM | There will be blood tonight! ;) |
| 20:08.05 | JefferyM | but that's just becaue I'll have bbq |
| 20:14.26 | KingofCamelot | :D |
| 20:17.16 | JefferyM | goes back to fighting the MTM VMMs |
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| 20:38.22 | blast007 | JefferyM: I'm assuming the .NET framework will be needed to run that launcher applications? |
| 20:38.41 | JefferyM | oh yeah |
| 20:38.52 | JefferyM | I'm doing it in VC9 too |
| 20:39.05 | JefferyM | wel VC#2008 |
| 20:39.06 | blast007 | so is that the 2.0 or the 3.5? |
| 20:39.10 | JefferyM | 3.5 |
| 20:39.14 | blast007 | k |
| 20:39.30 | blast007 | we'll just link to that one... ;) |
| 20:39.39 | blast007 | iirc, it's like 250MB or so |
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| 20:41.46 | blast007 | suppose we could include the webinstaller package for it |
| 20:42.04 | JefferyM | naw, it should be small |
| 20:42.29 | blast007 | 2.8MB versus 231MB ;) |
| 20:42.31 | JefferyM | 2.7 megs |
| 20:42.35 | JefferyM | yeah use that |
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| 20:44.12 | blast007 | should we worry about applying a hotfix? or sould we just assume they'll run Windows update eventually? |
| 20:44.12 | blast007 | "IMPORTANT: After installing the .NET Framework 3.5 SP1 package (either the bootstrapper or the full package) you should immediately install the update KB959209 to address a set of known application compatibility issues." |
| 20:44.13 | JefferyM | heh |
| 20:44.13 | JefferyM | fun |
| 20:44.13 | blast007 | I could just link them to the page |
| 20:44.20 | blast007 | I'll see if that one shows up in Windows update |
| 20:44.35 | JefferyM | do you want to do the launcher as a seperate install? |
| 20:44.41 | JefferyM | I would not mind that |
| 20:44.44 | blast007 | updating my vista system again (wiped it out to see if I can reproduce the Sound Volume: Unavailable issue) |
| 20:44.51 | blast007 | we could probably do that |
| 20:45.04 | blast007 | then have a single instance for all versions of the game |
| 20:45.19 | JefferyM | have a link to "other tools" in the main bzflag installer that takes them to it's download page, etc.. |
| 20:46.32 | blast007 | were you planning on them being installed into a different location than the rest of the game? |
| 20:47.11 | JefferyM | hadn't thought that far :) |
| 20:47.22 | JefferyM | windows people will just use a shortcut anyway |
| 20:47.28 | JefferyM | and it knows how to find the game, etc.. |
| 20:47.35 | JefferyM | it also dosn't need to be updated with each version of the game |
| 20:47.43 | JefferyM | so it would make sense for it's own folder |
| 20:48.21 | JefferyM | so I say it's just another one of our "products" |
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| 20:49.00 | blast007 | I mean, if they were installed into the same location as our game/server binaries, then we wouldn't need to store the path of the last run executable. we could just use the current path ;) |
| 20:49.08 | JefferyM | perhaps we should change our install into program files/bzflag/v3.0 and program files/bzflag/StartBZFS and program files/bzflag/bzworkbench etc... |
| 20:49.21 | JefferyM | possibly |
| 20:49.28 | JefferyM | but some people have more then one install |
| 20:49.32 | JefferyM | like... me ;) |
| 20:49.40 | blast007 | right |
| 20:49.45 | blast007 | but each one could have a copy of the launcher |
| 20:49.56 | JefferyM | seems excessive |
| 20:50.00 | blast007 | okay |
| 20:50.09 | L4m3r | the launcher could just autodetect installed versions and let you choose one |
| 20:50.10 | JefferyM | I mean we need to have an install system for our other products |
| 20:50.11 | blast007 | so then probably in it's own directory |
| 20:50.14 | JefferyM | cus we know we are going to have them |
| 20:50.26 | JefferyM | and yeah we can do what L4m3r sugests later |
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| 20:50.32 | JefferyM | "here are all your bzfs" :) |
| 20:50.37 | JefferyM | they bleong to us |
| 20:50.41 | blast007 | hehe |
| 20:50.43 | L4m3r | shared data directory might be a good idea too |
| 20:50.50 | SirMatthew | Good luck all. I must be back to my homework... I'll try to pop in once in awhile. |
| 20:50.53 | SirMatthew | Cheers! |
| 20:51.02 | blast007 | L4m3r: why's that? |
| 20:51.03 | JefferyM | L4m3r, for the laucnher, or the game clients? |
| 20:51.23 | JefferyM | game clients is bad, cus like 2.0.x and 3.0.x have incompatable dir structures. |
| 20:51.37 | blast007 | and even different 3.0.x clients might have different structures |
| 20:51.44 | JefferyM | the tool keeps all it's stuff in the config dir |
| 20:52.01 | L4m3r | I meant just for images and stuff, not config data |
| 20:52.18 | blast007 | L4m3r: images being the stuff pulled down for maps? |
| 20:52.25 | blast007 | or the default data files? |
| 20:52.31 | L4m3r | the default data |
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| 20:52.45 | L4m3r | (is the image cache already shared? I forget) |
| 20:52.50 | blast007 | I wouldn't want that shared in case we wants to change something later |
| 20:52.56 | blast007 | and it's not like we have a lot of data.. |
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| 20:53.35 | JefferyM | you'd never be able to change old data, you'd always have to leave it, and any change would have to be a dupe of the data in a new place anyway |
| 20:53.39 | blast007 | some games span multiple DVDs. We could fit on 9 floppies. |
| 20:54.54 | JefferyM | how many zip disks? |
| 20:54.59 | blast007 | ;) |
| 20:55.22 | blast007 | we could probably fit *all* of our releases on one or two :P |
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| 20:56.27 | blast007 | kinda reminds me of when that guy on the forum suggested a patch system do you didn't have to download a full installer each release |
| 20:56.53 | blast007 | L4m3r: but anyway, what would that really provide for a benefit? |
| 20:57.07 | blast007 | the installer would be the same size anyway, because you couldn't assume they already had the data files |
| 20:57.52 | blast007 | we've got just over 20MB of data files |
| 20:57.58 | trepan | blast007: and with the bzflag release schedule ... who cares? |
| 20:58.04 | blast007 | trepan: exactly ;) |
| 20:58.21 | L4m3r | there's a schedule? :P |
| 20:58.31 | trepan | the linux kernel gets updated more ;) |
| 20:58.37 | blast007 | I think my response to that was something like "It's takes too long to download a 10MB file once a year?" |
| 20:58.51 | JefferyM | L4m3r, it's based on the myan calender |
| 20:59.16 | L4m3r | JefferyM: so 3.0 will be released when it cycles at the end of 2012? |
| 20:59.21 | JefferyM | yes |
| 20:59.25 | L4m3r | :P |
| 20:59.29 | blast007 | L4m3r: no, that's when Duke Nukem Forever comes out |
| 20:59.33 | JefferyM | BZFlag 3.0 "I feel fine" |
| 21:00.42 | blast007 | hmm, sound is working fine on my Vista system. Built a release-dist copy on my XP system with the Nov 2008 DX SDK. |
| 21:00.58 | blast007 | so I'll just assume that problem is fixed unless I hear another person with the problem ;) |
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| 21:01.14 | blast007 | (though I'll try again after I update to SP1 and update drivers, just in case) |
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| 21:29.18 | CIA-11 | BZFlag: 03trepan * r19589 10/trunk/bzflag/tools/ (3 files in 2 dirs): * put things back they way they were |
| 21:30.09 | tigreped | dude...this new version build is taking a long time "Automattically preparing build" |
| 21:30.12 | tigreped | Oo |
| 21:31.52 | brlcad | tigreped: deal with it :) |
| 21:32.22 | tigreped | AHUhuahuAHUaHUaHUa... yeah |
| 21:32.29 | tigreped | as if I had any other option :) |
| 21:33.10 | Erroneous | takes longer on some systems than others |
| 21:33.35 | Erroneous | my dragonfly box takes around 20 minutes to run autogen |
| 21:33.45 | brlcad | hah |
| 21:34.13 | brlcad | Erroneous: is that with a failure or does it succeed without any warning/messages? |
| 21:34.17 | Erroneous | succeeds |
| 21:34.30 | brlcad | that's a pretty slow system :) |
| 21:34.56 | Erroneous | sempron 2100, 2gb ddr, pair of 15k Fireballs in raid0 |
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| 21:35.16 | brlcad | I don't recall my old dual g4 500 taking that long |
| 21:35.29 | brlcad | and that's about 8 years old |
| 21:35.49 | Erroneous | I dunno what it is. My old P3 600 laptop only took around 3 minutes. |
| 21:42.35 | brlcad | could run autogen.sh with -v/--verbose option to see exactly what it's doing |
| 21:42.47 | brlcad | might see something egregious |
| 21:42.55 | Erroneous | I think I did that once |
| 21:43.02 | Erroneous | didn't see anything that popped out |
| 21:52.54 | tigreped | yeah, this pc is behaving rather bizarrely...but it is compiling alright :0 |
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| 22:12.31 | brlcad | tigreped: are you submitting a patch? |
| 22:12.52 | brlcad | Erroneous: hrm, odd |
| 22:13.03 | brlcad | and that's, what, the second time we've had that conversation I think? :) |
| 22:13.10 | Erroneous | yeah, same machine though :) |
| 22:13.11 | brlcad | with the same result :) |
| 22:13.46 | Erroneous | it amuses me terribly that "./autogen.sh" takes longer than "./configure && make && make install" :) |
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| 22:49.10 | randomparticle | truly weird error here.. |
| 22:50.20 | randomparticle | the presence of the "My BZFlag Files" folder causes an Adobe Flash CS4 error |
| 22:51.35 | randomparticle | what's so special about that folder? :) |
| 22:54.35 | brlcad | that is amusing Erroneous |
| 22:54.52 | brlcad | randomparticle: spyware |
| 22:55.47 | randomparticle | joking i hope |
| 22:57.01 | brlcad | muahahahaa lolwtfbbq |
| 22:57.06 | randomparticle | i get an error message: the parameter is incorrect |
| 22:57.18 | brlcad | randomparticle: either way, sounds like a flash bug |
| 22:57.22 | randomparticle | if i move "My BZFlag Files" out of Documents the error message goes away |
| 22:57.36 | brlcad | it's probably scanning all of my docs |
| 22:57.49 | Erroneous | does it do the same thing with an empty "my bzflag files" folder? |
| 22:57.51 | brlcad | that's horrible behavior |
| 22:57.52 | randomparticle | sounds like a job for procmon |
| 22:58.13 | Erroneous | figure out which files it's choking on |
| 22:58.18 | brlcad | i'm guessing that it's looking for image resources, and is maybe choking on our png files? |
| 22:58.30 | randomparticle | hmm.. maybe |
| 22:58.53 | randomparticle | i have this .fla file in Documents. it didn't open from there. i moved it to the desktop. there it opened fine |
| 22:59.16 | randomparticle | so i started moving files in and out of documents to see what would happen |
| 22:59.27 | randomparticle | when i moved the bzflag folder out it opened fine |
| 22:59.54 | randomparticle | ok. let's see if procmon turns up anything |
| 23:00.56 | brlcad | so move everything out of bzflag folder and try, then put one thing back and try, then another, repeat |
| 23:01.01 | brlcad | there's not that many things in there |
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| 23:06.30 | brlcad | hello KingofCamelot |
| 23:07.31 | randomparticle | ok. it's looking in the folder but not trying to access any files |
| 23:07.38 | randomparticle | probably just getting a directory listing |
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| 23:08.43 | randomparticle | arghh stuffed up the filter |
| 23:09.44 | randomparticle | silly thing reset itself. ok. it's doing a little bit more |
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| 23:13.12 | randomparticle | ok. it's the cache folder |
| 23:13.44 | blast007 | so, probably an image file in there |
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| 23:20.27 | randomparticle | this is the one: tf579b67c862b7d2378e8212dbdcf47db.bwc |
| 23:22.34 | randomparticle | doesn't make a difference if i rename it |
| 23:23.09 | randomparticle | couldn't be some filesystem issue this? |
| 23:30.25 | BulletCatcher | Perhaps there is something in that particular file that makes it look like some other type of file that is interesting to Adobe Flash. |
| 23:30.47 | BulletCatcher | t*.bwc files are typically from randomly generated Ducati-style servers, so there isn't much point in keeping it if it is causing problems. |
| 23:34.41 | randomparticle | yeah |
| 23:35.34 | randomparticle | this is really odd. it's not the name causing it. if i rename the file the error is still there. but then, if it's the contents, well, they're not being read |
| 23:35.47 | randomparticle | i can see in procmon the file isn't being read |
| 23:36.17 | randomparticle | not the data, at any rate |
| 23:36.35 | randomparticle | the metadata could be the cause |
| 23:37.33 | randomparticle | perhaps the spyware thing is right :) |
| 23:37.53 | randomparticle | it's unbelievable it would scan every folder in the current one |
| 23:38.03 | randomparticle | what sort of rubbish coding is that? :) |
| 23:39.37 | randomparticle | bzflag is less buggy the your typical adobe app. you should charge hundreds of $ for the game |
| 23:39.44 | randomparticle | *than your |
| 23:40.03 | JefferyM | didn't see the <rant> tag |
| 23:45.41 | CBG | Meh. I've seen much bigger un-tagged rants... :) |
| 23:46.32 | JefferyM | tagged rats tho.. awesome for target shooting |
| 23:47.53 | a_meteorite | randomparticle: there's nothing stopping anyone from selling bzflag :) |
| 23:48.03 | a_meteorite | just gotta have enough suckers |
| 23:48.04 | blast007 | http://beta.bzflag.bz/builds/2.99.x/bzflag-2.99.19.20090403.exe build from serveral hours ago |
| 23:48.22 | JefferyM | 29.95$ |
| 23:48.31 | JefferyM | plus 35$ shipping and handaling |
| 23:48.39 | a_meteorite | heh |
| 23:52.43 | randomparticle | how are the t-shirts selling? |
| 23:52.48 | JefferyM | poorly |
| 23:53.02 | JefferyM | gonna give some away to the students :) |
| 23:53.18 | randomparticle | that's cruel |
| 23:53.24 | JefferyM | they'll live |
| 23:54.13 | Think_Differentl | if you had a shirt for $10 (that is, including shipping, which is highly unlikely) i'd buy one ;) |
| 23:54.36 | JefferyM | we'd loose money on that |
| 23:54.48 | JefferyM | I could do that if we had a white shirt with a single color logo on one side only |
| 23:55.00 | JefferyM | and a bzflag bank account |
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| 23:55.16 | joevano | but that wouldn't be nearly as nice |
| 23:55.21 | JefferyM | nope |
| 23:55.30 | JefferyM | the current shirt has 6 seperate screens on it |
| 23:55.51 | JefferyM | but it's not like we lost money on it |
| 23:56.08 | JefferyM | I still have 100$ more then my seed money from SOC 2005 :) |
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