| 00:01.40 | joevano | JefferyM: http://apps.sourceforge.net/trac/sitedocs/wiki/Hosted%20Apps |
| 00:01.57 | JefferyM | huh? |
| 00:02.40 | joevano | oh should have been for Erroneous , its the list of sourceforge histed apps |
| 00:02.49 | joevano | hosted even |
| 00:03.28 | delusional | wasn't expecting wordpress. |
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| 00:06.56 | CIA-66 | BZFlag: 03JeffM2501 07http://my.bzflag.org * r5409 10/w/Flag_ideas/Rejected: /* Rejected Flags */ more |
| 00:16.20 | CIA-66 | BZFlag: 03JeffM2501 07http://my.bzflag.org * r5410 10/w/Flag_ideas/Rejected: /* Rejected Flags */ |
| 00:23.30 | CIA-66 | BZFlag: 03JeffM2501 07http://my.bzflag.org * r5411 10/w/Flag_ideas/Rejected: /* Rejected Flags */ |
| 00:28.17 | me1 | JefferyM, left the remains of the table here: http://my.bzflag.org/w/Flag_ideas/Rejected#Tac_Nuke_.28TN.29 |
| 00:28.29 | JefferyM | I'm not done yet |
| 00:28.31 | JefferyM | just chill |
| 00:28.34 | me1 | I know |
| 00:28.37 | me1 | just pointing it out |
| 00:31.28 | CIA-66 | BZFlag: 03JeffM2501 07http://my.bzflag.org * r5412 10/w/Flag_ideas/Rejected: /* Rejected Flags */ last of the bad flag adds for today |
| 00:35.16 | CIA-66 | BZFlag: 03JeffM2501 07http://my.bzflag.org * r5413 10/w/Flag_ideas: LG was implemented |
| 00:36.14 | CIA-66 | BZFlag: 03JeffM2501 07http://my.bzflag.org * r5414 10/w/Flag_ideas: extra ' |
| 00:37.24 | CIA-66 | BZFlag: 03JeffM2501 07http://my.bzflag.org * r5415 10/w/Flag_ideas: /* Implemented Flag Ideas */ |
| 00:56.59 | JefferyM | didn't realise how many HORIBLE flag ideas there were |
| 00:57.42 | Winny | JefferyM: what? you don't like my rickastley flag? |
| 00:57.59 | joevano | and the scary thing is most of the flag ideas don't even make it there |
| 00:58.50 | joevano | oh, that would be a funny use for a plugin, the useless flag, and a remote audio file :P |
| 00:59.20 | Winny | I think whenever you pick up a flag there should be a really bad 80's radio jingle |
| 00:59.25 | Winny | "ya ya ya useless" |
| 00:59.31 | joevano | and make it a bad flag that can't be dropped until the clip finishes |
| 01:01.10 | spldart | The antidote is a suicide flag. |
| 01:01.14 | blast007 | :) |
| 01:01.17 | spldart | 8-/ |
| 01:01.22 | JefferyM | Winny, just go add that to the rejected ones for me, ok |
| 01:01.29 | Winny | k! |
| 01:01.47 | blast007 | Never gonna give you up, never gonna cap your flag! |
| 01:02.03 | Winny | that was terrible |
| 01:02.25 | trepan | roll with the punches |
| 01:03.48 | JefferyM | most of the open ideas on the page are still pretty bad |
| 01:04.34 | spldart | So.. there is a rejected ideas page to commit too?;-) remember my clockstoppers flag idea? Or my xmen rogue idea? hehe |
| 01:04.49 | spldart | Some anti-brilliant ideas. |
| 01:04.59 | JefferyM | read the top of the page |
| 01:05.03 | JefferyM | the rejects have there own page |
| 01:05.14 | JefferyM | 189 rejected flags ;) |
| 01:05.31 | spldart | hrmmm. mmmhmm |
| 01:05.33 | spldart | :) |
| 01:10.53 | CIA-66 | BZFlag: 03Optic Delusion 07http://my.bzflag.org * r5416 10/w/Material: /* General */ TeleFrame-->TeleMaterial as per r18997 |
| 01:12.25 | CIA-66 | BZFlag: 03Optic Delusion 07http://my.bzflag.org * r5417 10/w/Skybox: /* Code */ TeleFrame-->TeleMaterial as per r18997 |
| 01:16.51 | CIA-66 | BZFlag: 03Trepan 07http://my.bzflag.org * r5418 10/w/Material: specified Links for LinkMaterial |
| 01:21.35 | CIA-66 | BZFlag: 03Trepan 07http://my.bzflag.org * r5419 10/w/Material: Transparency => Translucency |
| 01:22.28 | trepan | silly wiki capitalizes when it ought not to |
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| 06:30.40 | JeffM | brlcad: don't you think that maybe the wiki should report commits to a sepperate commit log then bzflag? |
| 06:30.45 | JeffM | perhaps a bzflag web one |
| 06:31.02 | JeffM | the rss feed for bzflag gets pretty jacked up with wiki edits |
| 06:42.19 | brlcad | I thought about that, but it would make things more complex (separate projects, duplicated settings) with little gain (fewer commits) |
| 06:42.35 | JeffM | the rss feed is prety much useless now |
| 06:43.01 | JeffM | but oh well |
| 06:43.02 | brlcad | BP and I have been talking about adding commit categorization so there would be more separation, could also add filters on the feed |
| 06:43.06 | JeffM | I asked :) |
| 06:43.10 | JeffM | ahh |
| 06:43.17 | brlcad | also begs for username collapsing like ohloh does |
| 06:43.18 | JeffM | that would be more handy |
| 06:43.40 | brlcad | and some way to cull/hide "IP" usernames |
| 06:44.13 | JeffM | be nice if you could give it a format string for what to put in IRC |
| 06:45.31 | brlcad | that's sort of in-line with commit categorization -- separate commit types (that would each display in some prescribed form relevant to that commit type) |
| 06:45.59 | brlcad | at least if I understand what you mean |
| 06:46.54 | brlcad | the problem for that now is that there's logic that prints in a variety of forms now based on how many files are committed, the names involved, and the length of the log message |
| 06:47.05 | brlcad | and that's for just "one" commit type |
| 06:47.25 | JeffM | how is the backend work going? |
| 06:47.28 | JeffM | is it better? |
| 06:47.32 | JeffM | did it get moved to SF? |
| 06:47.35 | brlcad | fortunately, the wiki edits mapped nearly 1-1 with source edits |
| 06:47.56 | brlcad | only hackery was to make the server name be a "branch" |
| 06:48.11 | brlcad | and I cheated on the line counts, just used byte counts |
| 06:48.37 | brlcad | backend work is proceeding steadily, but no not moved just yet |
| 06:49.26 | brlcad | sf folks have just about everything in place, a few agreements to go through, and bp wanted to finish up a few backend stability tasks |
| 06:49.44 | JeffM | fun |
| 06:50.26 | brlcad | I'd expect summer timeframe before it's all sorted out as a 50/50 guess, maybe sooner, maybe later |
| 06:50.41 | JeffM | it seems more stable now |
| 06:53.01 | brlcad | yeah, that's some of the backend stability tasks being worked over the past couple months |
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| 06:56.49 | brlcad | http://adameros.livejournal.com/2699371.html |
| 06:57.59 | JeffM | that's like nearly the entire list of features I rejected today :) |
| 06:59.58 | brlcad | gave me an idea for another in-code categorization at least, interesting |
| 07:01.05 | brlcad | a couple of them I could see if we had cheating (better) licked |
| 07:01.19 | JeffM | most of them make for a different game |
| 07:01.28 | brlcad | chafes would be cool |
| 07:01.29 | JeffM | I'd like to see all of that in bzflag2 ;) |
| 07:01.54 | brlcad | basically short-range defensive GM's that track to inbound shots |
| 07:02.05 | JeffM | use shield |
| 07:02.10 | JeffM | that's what its' there for |
| 07:02.50 | brlcad | shields are passive |
| 07:02.54 | brlcad | chafes are active |
| 07:02.56 | JeffM | end result is the same |
| 07:02.59 | brlcad | huge difference |
| 07:03.00 | JeffM | shot = blocked |
| 07:03.06 | JeffM | bzflag = simple ;) |
| 07:03.15 | JeffM | bzflag2 = better |
| 07:03.24 | brlcad | end result for most flags is shot = killed |
| 07:03.25 | JeffM | active means we have to dedicate a controll to fire it |
| 07:03.28 | brlcad | doesn't mean they're the same |
| 07:04.05 | JeffM | chafe would work well as as a limited shot accessory that is triggered |
| 07:04.08 | brlcad | absolutely, the "fire" key .. literally like an automatic fast short-range GM |
| 07:04.14 | JeffM | lots of "flags" would work like that |
| 07:04.27 | JeffM | but I'm not sure that belongs in bzflag |
| 07:04.38 | JeffM | maybe an offshoot that uses the same codebase |
| 07:04.46 | JeffM | as in game mode kinda thing |
| 07:04.54 | JeffM | I'd do lots of things as activatables then ;) |
| 07:05.00 | brlcad | heh, I don't see any single flag as a reasonable excuse to "fork it!" |
| 07:05.07 | JeffM | I'm not saying fork it |
| 07:05.28 | brlcad | "offshoot that uses the same codebase" is exactly that |
| 07:05.29 | JeffM | I'm saying maintain 2 different "core" games that use the same code |
| 07:05.36 | JeffM | offshoot was the wrong term |
| 07:05.50 | trepan | copy? branch? |
| 07:05.53 | JeffM | no |
| 07:06.05 | trepan | co-development? |
| 07:06.08 | JeffM | basicly same executable can run both you just pick what list server you want to see |
| 07:06.25 | JeffM | I could just be babblin |
| 07:07.04 | JeffM | but if you do chafe like a flag, sounds like you need an alternate fire system |
| 07:07.06 | brlcad | I don't see the value in that separation when the servers would report whether they use that flag or not anyways |
| 07:07.14 | JeffM | or you turn chafe into a flag that can't kill? |
| 07:07.32 | JeffM | the value is in users knowing what they are playing, but the new list view can probalby handle that |
| 07:07.35 | brlcad | it wouldn't kill, it just shoots other people's shots -- it's defensive |
| 07:07.48 | JeffM | I think all shots should kill |
| 07:07.57 | brlcad | you couldn't attack and carry it, limiting it's power, nor defend against all attack types |
| 07:08.02 | JeffM | thief is the only exception, and it only does that once. |
| 07:08.34 | JeffM | if you did that, then I think you want a lot of other defensive flags at the same time |
| 07:08.44 | JeffM | cus then it's a new 'class' re. gameplay |
| 07:09.04 | JeffM | it could be interesting to playtest it tho |
| 07:09.09 | brlcad | could still allow regular shots if there are no in-bound threats possibly |
| 07:09.21 | JeffM | that sounds rather complex |
| 07:09.30 | JeffM | and odd, if your shots sudenly change in the middle of firing |
| 07:09.42 | brlcad | it's no different, it'd need to know how close shots are to it anyways |
| 07:09.58 | JeffM | it is the comptuer, not the player |
| 07:10.04 | JeffM | just trying to think what the player wold see |
| 07:10.13 | JeffM | "pew pew pew.. chafe" WTF? |
| 07:10.49 | brlcad | thinks JeffM is possibly an eternal pessimist, how about constructive ways that *would* make it work :) |
| 07:11.09 | brlcad | so back to my original idea that it'd be purely defensive but active :) |
| 07:11.12 | JeffM | no, I am being a game designer and playing devils advocate to see if the idea can stand up to crits ;) |
| 07:11.19 | JeffM | if it can, then it's a good idea |
| 07:11.22 | JeffM | if it can't.... |
| 07:11.24 | brlcad | you always take the devil's side |
| 07:11.27 | brlcad | that's the diff |
| 07:11.30 | JeffM | someone has to ;) |
| 07:11.34 | JeffM | I'm the grumpy old man remember |
| 07:11.36 | brlcad | someone usually does |
| 07:11.37 | DTRemenak | some people like the animosity ;) |
| 07:11.45 | brlcad | critique is not in short supply |
| 07:11.53 | JeffM | sometimes yes, sometimes no |
| 07:12.18 | JeffM | if that's the way we want to take the game, that's FINE, it means we add defensive type flags to the rules and see hwo they work in |
| 07:12.31 | JeffM | if so then there are others that would work in that mode too |
| 07:12.33 | JeffM | Repeller |
| 07:12.37 | JeffM | etc.. |
| 07:12.41 | brlcad | yep |
| 07:13.03 | JeffM | I just don't think it's a good idea to introduce that new class of flag with just one sample ;) |
| 07:13.07 | DTRemenak | just what we need, more flags :P |
| 07:13.17 | JeffM | and we should have a good set of rules to define what a "defensive" flag is |
| 07:13.19 | brlcad | DTRemenak: hey, it's our "job" |
| 07:13.22 | brlcad | i.e. namesake |
| 07:13.27 | DTRemenak | true enough |
| 07:13.38 | brlcad | we should have a hell of a lot better flag management for that matter |
| 07:13.44 | JeffM | indeed |
| 07:13.49 | DTRemenak | very true |
| 07:13.53 | JeffM | it's kinda hap hazard now |
| 07:13.55 | brlcad | types of flags, capabilities, combinations of capabilities |
| 07:14.01 | JeffM | thats why I'm so hard on new ones |
| 07:14.13 | brlcad | right, that's the reason :) |
| 07:14.17 | JeffM | one of |
| 07:14.23 | JeffM | I'm allowed to have many |
| 07:14.25 | DTRemenak | you don't sound convinced, brlcad ;) |
| 07:14.36 | JeffM | just as you are allowed to ignore me :) |
| 07:15.24 | brlcad | chaulks it up as an idea to revisit in prop for bzflag3 |
| 07:15.37 | DTRemenak | 4? |
| 07:15.40 | JeffM | there were times when I sugested LOTS of changes, and they were shot down by others. perhaps I've just had my hayday in the past ;) |
| 07:15.58 | brlcad | you kinda go to extremes |
| 07:16.15 | brlcad | too many, too little .. there is a lot of in-between room there |
| 07:16.16 | JeffM | depends on who's point of view ;) |
| 07:16.28 | JeffM | I see some of your ideas as an extreeme |
| 07:16.34 | JeffM | 2 player tanks |
| 07:16.51 | brlcad | flying multiplayer hover tanks is pretty far off from current |
| 07:17.02 | brlcad | repelled shots isn't so far off :) |
| 07:17.04 | JeffM | everyone has there own idea of where bzflag should be |
| 07:17.17 | trepan | jumping / flying ... and without the animated treads, might as well have been hover tanks :) |
| 07:17.18 | JeffM | I sugested repellers LONG ago |
| 07:17.38 | JeffM | the "hover" tanks I had behaved exactly the way that tanks do now |
| 07:17.42 | JeffM | was just a graphics thing |
| 07:17.56 | JeffM | my big "outside the box" thing was ammo and health |
| 07:18.06 | JeffM | but like I say, it all depends where you see it |
| 07:18.57 | JeffM | the stuff I say these days dosn't really matter to anyone |
| 07:19.05 | JeffM | since when has anyone taken my advice? |
| 07:20.34 | trepan | i called it "AutoJoinAccess.txt" :) |
| 07:20.48 | JeffM | yeah.. intrumental |
| 07:21.40 | brlcad | you haven't given me any lately ;) |
| 07:22.38 | trepan | don't eat the yellow snow ... best i've got |
| 07:23.12 | brlcad | http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=U4v9I9JPijw |
| 07:23.29 | trepan | please tell that that doesn't relate to my comment before I click it |
| 07:23.39 | brlcad | :D |
| 07:23.47 | trepan | clicks not |
| 07:23.56 | brlcad | it's hilarious |
| 07:23.59 | DTRemenak | hah |
| 07:24.25 | JeffM | http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=txqiwrbYGrs is better ;) |
| 07:37.15 | Manu | yawns |
| 07:40.41 | brlcad | throws a cheeto into Manu's mouth |
| 07:40.56 | Manu | :) |
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| 14:58.26 | Sally7 | WELL HELLO FUCKERS! |
| 14:58.28 | Sally7 | GOOD MORNING |
| 14:58.32 | Sally7 | HOW IS EVERYONE TODAY? |
| 14:58.48 | Sally7 | EVERYONE READY TO PAY THE FIDDLER TODAY? |
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| 15:06.13 | menotume | lots of proxies in Malaysia :P |
| 15:07.36 | brad | ~lart menotume |
| 15:07.36 | ibot | makes a balloon animal out of menotume |
| 15:07.37 | brlcad | yeah, but he doesn't change them that frequently .. keeps using it until he's banned everywhere |
| 15:07.53 | brlcad | should have banned it yesterday |
| 15:08.09 | menotume | hehe |
| 15:15.43 | brad | #bzflag-chat |
| 15:15.47 | brad | he be there |
| 15:20.13 | spldart | ping anyone who can op in bzflag-chat please |
| 15:20.45 | menotume | hmmm, 13662, i wonder if thats his zipcode :) |
| 15:20.54 | menotume | Massena, New York |
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| 17:05.42 | The_Fiddler | OK TIME TO PAY THE FIDDLER! |
| 17:05.43 | The_Fiddler | YAY! |
| 17:05.49 | The_Fiddler | TIME TO SING SONGS AND HAVE BUTT SECKS |
| 17:05.59 | The_Fiddler | THIS ONE IS DEDICATED TO YOU CBG YOU PIECE OF SHIT |
| 17:06.07 | The_Fiddler | Blame it all on my roots |
| 17:06.13 | The_Fiddler | I showed up in boots |
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| 17:06.20 | The_Fiddler | And ruined your black tie affair |
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| 17:06.46 | SportChick | grrr |
| 17:07.10 | blast007 | whoops... |
| 17:07.37 | MindstormsKid | thumper_ was k-lined? O_o |
| 17:07.46 | CBG` | Yeah, dirty spammer! |
| 17:07.51 | blast007 | MindstormsKid: wrong tab complete becaused I kicked the spammer |
| 17:08.12 | MindstormsKid | oh, i see |
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| 22:28.21 | TJ13820 | if i want to setup a group in "groupdb.txt" for "EVERYONE" i would use "EVERYONE" correct? |
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| 22:33.53 | sniper15 | I believe so |
| 22:34.03 | sniper15 | you could check the wiki |
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| 22:51.34 | Manu | brlcad: kick war? :) |
| 22:52.18 | sniper15 | sounds like fun |
| 22:53.01 | brlcad | heh |
| 22:53.25 | Manu | brlcad: what did I miss at jolie's site? :) |
| 22:54.28 | brlcad | 17:44 <@kierra> np, but if they are needed elsewhere, Manu, brlcad and orange come to the rescue |
| 22:54.41 | brlcad | 17:45 -!- Manu was kicked from ##kierra by brlcad [orange] |
| 22:54.41 | brlcad | 17:45 -!- orange was kicked from ##kierra by brlcad [ Manu] |
| 22:54.42 | brlcad | 17:45 <@brlcad> there can be only one |
| 22:54.54 | SportChick | warms up her kick button again |
| 22:55.02 | Manu | :) |
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| 23:18.52 | TJ13820 | what reason would there be for a server not to laod a plugin compiled with the release? |
| 23:19.02 | TJ13820 | i compiled with --enable-shared --enable-plugins |
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| 23:20.10 | trepan | -dddd ? messages? |
| 23:20.30 | TJ13820 | it says it loads them but nothing works |
| 23:20.44 | TJ13820 | kilall does, but not mapchange etc. |
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| 23:26.15 | TJ13820 | if the plugin is in the libs folder for bzflag and compiled without errors and has wored before... why does it present errors now and not work? does it need chmodded 777? |
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