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| 00:46.42 | CIA-72 | BZFlag: 03bullet_catcher * r19217 10/trunk/bzflag/configure.ac: Create src/bzfs/lua/Makefile, too. |
| 00:48.04 | BulletCatcher | trepan: Either add the 3 luabzfs.* files to the src/bzfs/lua directory or don't mention them in the Makefile.am . |
| 01:03.28 | delusional | five warnings but my build is past lua, now on bzadmin |
| 01:06.54 | delusional | switching between windowed and fullscreen is faster than it was |
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| 01:25.04 | spldart | I only got one fail |
| 01:26.32 | spldart | http://pastebin.bzflag.bz/m20b4b19f |
| 01:27.49 | delusional | LuaBZFS.cxx:38:23: warning: anonymous variadic macros were introduced in C99 |
| 01:27.49 | delusional | LuaLFS.cxx:237: warning: control may reach end of non-void function 'int lfs_g_setmode(lua_State*, FILE*, int)' being inlined |
| 01:28.20 | delusional | and three of these LuaBZFS.cxx:110:55: warning: ISO C99 requires rest arguments to be used |
| 01:46.11 | Birdie | delusional: your text has a black background.. |
| 01:46.28 | temp_dist | it just looks italic to me |
| 01:46.30 | delusional | hmm, i dont see that |
| 01:46.40 | delusional | i see itlics |
| 01:47.17 | blast007 | for me it shows a gray background with black text (inverted) |
| 01:48.44 | delusional | I select a line in xcode, and drag it here. In XCode, it's red. |
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| 01:56.50 | spldart | I see black background |
| 01:57.54 | spldart | xchat windoze @ the moment |
| 01:58.06 | jcp | ~ping |
| 01:58.07 | ibot | ~pong |
| 01:58.29 | trepan | BulletCatcher: you mean the windows files that I can't generate? |
| 01:58.55 | trepan | but left in the Makefile.am because the will eventually be created, those? |
| 01:59.24 | trepan | *they will |
| 02:00.04 | spldart | says screw sci fi galactica cuz it sux so bad and reboots to linux ;-p |
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| 02:05.29 | spldart | now what are the odds of firefox in both windos and linux crashing on startup? Even when build go succesfully and other apps like tv and xchat run fine? I'm confuzzeled |
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| 02:11.24 | trepan | BulletCatcher: hm, or will they never be created? |
| 02:12.44 | CIA-72 | BZFlag: 03trepan * r19218 10/trunk/bzflag/src/bzfs/lua/Makefile.am: * remove the MSVC related files from the EXTRA_DIST listing |
| 02:12.46 | trepan | tried to do right by the windows folks and screwed it up |
| 02:14.08 | spldart | I C trepans work as a tremondous + and if anything isn't quite right for winderze then a Jeff or another windows guru will get her sorted out. That much closer to 3.0.x :-D |
| 02:14.31 | trepan | delusional: fixing your problems |
| 02:14.33 | MindstormsKid | her? |
| 02:14.37 | trepan | spldart: don't know what's causing yours |
| 02:15.03 | MindstormsKid | oh |
| 02:15.05 | spldart | It's all good. I'm happy to see the work. it's heartening |
| 02:15.14 | spldart | :) |
| 02:15.48 | spldart | is working on a nice make as I type :) |
| 02:15.55 | trepan | spldart: oh, building on windows, your need to update your project to include the bzfs/lua/ sources |
| 02:16.00 | trepan | s/your/you'll |
| 02:16.16 | spldart | Oh! |
| 02:16.19 | spldart | Oki doki |
| 02:16.34 | spldart | next time I'm in windows I'll git r done |
| 02:17.27 | CIA-72 | BZFlag: 03trepan * r19219 10/trunk/bzflag/src/bzfs/lua/ (CallOuts.cxx LuaBZFS.cxx LuaLFS.cxx LuaLFS.h Makefile.am): * removed the LuaFileSystem library |
| 02:17.46 | trepan | that's one of delusional's warnings gone |
| 02:18.25 | spldart | http://pastebin.bzflag.bz/ma7446ea |
| 02:18.45 | spldart | make clean, ./autogen.sh, ./configure --enable-debug, nice make |
| 02:18.52 | spldart | oops |
| 02:18.58 | spldart | svn up before that all |
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| 02:22.09 | spldart | re svn updates and is autogening again |
| 02:22.09 | trepan | delusional: and that should cover yours |
| 02:22.11 | CIA-72 | BZFlag: 03trepan * r19220 10/trunk/bzflag/src/bzfs/lua/LuaBZFS.cxx: * replaced the WARNINGF() macro, and the BZ_GET_PLUGIN_VERSION macro |
| 02:22.16 | spldart | doh |
| 02:22.21 | spldart | new is old |
| 02:22.27 | delusional | giving it a try |
| 02:24.02 | delusional | no errors, or warnings |
| 02:24.27 | spldart | Lua lua, oh babie!... err sryu |
| 02:24.36 | trepan | delusional: had you built the lua plugin before? |
| 02:24.44 | delusional | i had |
| 02:25.09 | delusional | shall I trash the old and get fresh source? |
| 02:25.16 | trepan | with the same warnings? |
| 02:25.44 | delusional | i can't tell you that. |
| 02:26.16 | trepan | wondering if the build options are different, never payed them much attention |
| 02:27.23 | delusional | flash enabled plugins by default in the xcodeproj a couple weeks ago |
| 02:29.31 | CIA-72 | BZFlag: 03trepan * r19221 10/trunk/bzflag/src/bzfs/lua/ (CallOuts.cxx LuaBZFS.cxx): * used BzVFS::rawDirList() to replace some plugin_files.h functionality |
| 02:29.36 | trepan | oops, that was a bad commit ... |
| 02:33.24 | CIA-72 | BZFlag: 03trepan * r19222 10/trunk/bzflag/src/bzfs/Makefile.am: * order matters, libCommon comes after libLuaBZFS |
| 02:33.46 | spldart | http://pastebin.bzflag.bz/m35ddf7d7 ... but firefox is no longer stable in both win and lin.. even if IE is and so is my builds and xchat.. so I'm not sure wtf is goin on here.. Hope it helps |
| 02:34.15 | spldart | Oh look at that... an update for firefox |
| 02:37.06 | CIA-72 | BZFlag: 03trepan * r19223 10/trunk/bzflag/src/bzfs/Makefile.am: |
| 02:37.06 | CIA-72 | BZFlag: * bump libLuaBZFS to the top of the pile |
| 02:37.06 | CIA-72 | BZFlag: (reasonable to do as it's a local sub-library) |
| 02:46.55 | CIA-72 | BZFlag: 03trepan * r19224 10/trunk/bzflag/src/bzfs/lua/ (7 files in 3 dirs): * changed the "BZ" table's name to "bz" to match the client library |
| 02:49.43 | temp_dist | Current trunk build - Something odd going on when I pick up a flag - http://img519.imageshack.us/img519/3279/picture1lm7.jpg - http://img519.imageshack.us/img519/9056/picture2oy0.jpg |
| 02:49.54 | spldart | linux build is fixed... 3 versions ago 8-0 |
| 02:50.22 | trepan | temp_dist: /luaworld disable |
| 02:50.27 | temp_dist | ok thx |
| 02:58.43 | CIA-72 | BZFlag: 03trepan * r19225 10/trunk/bzflag/src/bzfs/lua/CallOuts.cxx: * removed extra '/' from LuaBZFS's bz.DirList() directories |
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| 04:05.17 | TD-Linux | temp_dist: hehe minneapolis |
| 04:05.30 | TD-Linux | rochester here ;) |
| 04:05.57 | temp_dist | waiting to wash the car this weekend - warm spell ;) |
| 04:11.59 | spldart | Good luck with your warm spell |
| 04:13.25 | spldart | btw ... linux succesful here as of 19225. wooty woot |
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| 04:20.37 | CIA-72 | BZFlag: 03trepan * r19226 10/trunk/bzflag/src/bzfs/ (CmdLineOptions.cxx lua/FetchURL.cxx lua/LuaBZFS.cxx): |
| 04:20.37 | CIA-72 | BZFlag: * fixed the '-luabzfs' help description |
| 04:20.37 | CIA-72 | BZFlag: * renamed FetchURL's 'MetaTag' to 'metaName' (as is used in the client libraries) |
| 04:20.37 | CIA-72 | BZFlag: * send a message to the player who did the '/luabzfs reload' |
| 04:22.54 | CIA-72 | BZFlag: 03trepan * r19227 10/trunk/bzflag/src/bzfs/CmdLineOptions.cxx: * removed the extra 'string' from the -help message |
| 04:26.53 | spldart | looks liek stuff is still good. Like that's 'duh' since your just adjusting a help message ;-D |
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| 04:31.32 | spldart | Oh... forgot |
| 04:31.54 | spldart | ~trepan++ |
| 04:33.16 | spldart | ~trepan+3.141592653589793238462643383279502884 |
| 04:33.53 | spldart | Excellent! Just googled and I guess I got that right. |
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| 04:48.37 | CIA-72 | BZFlag: 03trepan * r19228 10/trunk/bzflag/src/bzfs/ (4 files in 3 dirs): |
| 04:48.37 | CIA-72 | BZFlag: * moved LuaBZFS initialization into CmdLineOptions |
| 04:48.37 | CIA-72 | BZFlag: (so that the entry source file can be specified in the world options block) |
| 04:48.37 | CIA-72 | BZFlag: * ensured that only the first instance of the '-luabzfs' option is used (with a warning) |
| 04:48.38 | CIA-72 | BZFlag: * removed the lua bz.GetPluginDirectory() call-out |
| 04:48.40 | CIA-72 | BZFlag: * renamed initStartupPrams() to initStartupParameters() |
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| 05:00.51 | trepan | spldart: thanks for the pi |
| 05:02.28 | trepan | although 2.7182818284590452354 is probably better if you want results quickly :) |
| 05:05.02 | remote | hey |
| 05:05.10 | remote | how do we set the radar transparent? |
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| 05:34.07 | spldart | quick results..... are for the scientists |
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| 17:40.23 | remote | hi |
| 17:40.40 | remote | is it possible to see the players name under the tanks when we're not in observer mode? |
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| 17:44.04 | CIA-72 | BZFlag: 03t-s * r19229 10/trunk/bzflag/src/platform/SDLWindow.cxx: |
| 17:44.04 | CIA-72 | BZFlag: I pondered quite a while about what to do regarding the missing |
| 17:44.04 | CIA-72 | BZFlag: _XTranslateCoordinates symbol in Apple gcc (when invoked without xterm) and I |
| 17:44.04 | CIA-72 | BZFlag: think it's probably the best approach to guess using the preprocesor until |
| 17:44.04 | CIA-72 | BZFlag: configure is changed. |
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| 18:42.24 | Yassen | is it just me or can I not spawn on any 2.99.XXX server? |
| 18:42.41 | Yassen | even a private server I set up... |
| 18:47.40 | JeffM | trepan: is src/bzfs/lua ONLY used by the bzfs app? |
| 18:48.57 | trepan | yes |
| 18:49.01 | JeffM | k |
| 18:49.11 | JeffM | then I don't even need to make a lib, I'll just built it into bzfs |
| 18:49.12 | trepan | src/bzflag/lua will be the same |
| 18:49.24 | trepan | src/lua will have the common stuff |
| 18:51.26 | JeffM | k |
| 18:51.28 | JeffM | should be pretty easy then |
| 18:51.58 | Yassen | is it just me, or can I not spawn on any server... |
| 18:52.06 | JeffM | just you |
| 18:52.09 | Yassen | awew |
| 18:52.31 | JeffM | fire up a debuger and find out why |
| 18:54.36 | JeffM | goes to stand in the wet room while it builds |
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| 18:55.13 | Yassen | *** ERROR: Symbol file could not be found. Defaulted to export symbols for ntdll.dll - ntdll! |
| 18:58.52 | Yassen | BZFlag builds without errors... |
| 18:59.47 | Flash | I just got a new iMac (hush Jeff) and 2.0.x crashes occasionally. Looks like a video driver issue. Is this known? |
| 19:00.26 | trepan | this sad little image took an inordinate amount of time to create: http://trepan.bzflag.bz/vbobox.jpg |
| 19:04.55 | ts | Flash: There were many reports that smoothing doesn't go well with the newest apple drivers..just a guess. |
| 19:05.38 | Flash | I thought I remembered as much; I didn't want to waste too much time looking into it since a) it's 2.0.x and b) if it's a driver I can't fix it |
| 19:05.55 | Yassen | uh oh, I'm getting unresolved externals with the lua stuff... |
| 19:06.19 | ts | A crash log with debug symbols would probably help to find out what is going on. |
| 19:07.06 | Flash | I have one (on the other computer)... stand by |
| 19:08.28 | ts | I don't think I have time for this, I wanted to watch a movie and only checked for possible replies for my latest change |
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| 19:11.06 | FusionDude | ts: http://flash.pastebin.ca/1311023 |
| 19:11.56 | remote | is it possible to see the players name under the tanks when we're not in observer mode? |
| 19:12.05 | Yassen | no |
| 19:12.11 | SpazzyMcGee | trepan, are there any plans to revive the bump mapping work you did a while back? |
| 19:12.12 | remote | i would love that |
| 19:12.14 | FusionDude | that would be cheating ;-) |
| 19:12.20 | Yassen | That's only for observers :P |
| 19:12.27 | remote | because it don't handle stealth? |
| 19:12.34 | trepan | SpazzyMcGee: it's been running on my server for about a week now |
| 19:12.55 | Yassen | there seems to be a problem with lua... |
| 19:13.03 | FusionDude | remote: because other players don't have that advantage. Hint: use hunt to identify players |
| 19:13.27 | FusionDude | remote: you can hunt multiple players with the '7' key |
| 19:14.41 | ts | FusionDude: Yeah, that looks like a driver issue |
| 19:14.51 | FusionDude | ;-) |
| 19:14.58 | FusionDude | 'twas my first thought |
| 19:15.28 | Yassen | my uneducated guess is that the MSVC project files weren't updated to accomodate for lua to be built in with BZFS |
| 19:15.34 | SpazzyMcGee | trepan, it's in trunk? |
| 19:15.58 | ts | I've an ibook and there it has problems, too in the drivers. It's so bad that the entire machine freezes. |
| 19:16.00 | Yassen | so the header files aren't getting linked with the source files? |
| 19:16.13 | JeffM | ts, FusionDude turn off smothing |
| 19:16.23 | Flash | ok |
| 19:16.29 | JeffM | Yassen: they were not, they are in the process of being done |
| 19:16.32 | trepan | SpazzyMcGee: it's done using lua |
| 19:16.39 | SpazzyMcGee | ah |
| 19:16.39 | ts | JeffM: My ibook has smoothing off, and I already told Flash to turn off smoothing |
| 19:16.47 | JeffM | k |
| 19:16.52 | Yassen | ok |
| 19:16.57 | JeffM | install windows then ;) |
| 19:17.08 | Flash | I init'ed the iMac from my MBP, so it has all the settigns that work there. I haven't gotten around to messing with it any more |
| 19:17.21 | Flash | and JeffM, I don't want to TOTALLY break it, so Windows is OUT |
| 19:17.54 | JeffM | Flash: sure, cus working == broken ;) |
| 19:17.56 | Flash | "every day I live with fear, gloom and despair. at night, I turn it off and use a Mac" |
| 19:18.40 | JeffM | I love the fact that you guys come up with all these cute little sayings, yet, it's always you guys with the crashes and crapy drivers and no recourse other then 'wait for apple' |
| 19:19.27 | JeffM | but to each there own |
| 19:19.28 | Flash | turning off smothing is a recourse... it may be that it's our (bzflag's) coding issue; I'm not enough of a GUI programmer to tell |
| 19:19.36 | JeffM | no it's the driver |
| 19:19.37 | ts | Macs are just computers with firmware, hardware and software, too. There are always problems. |
| 19:19.44 | JeffM | no GL option shoudl EVER crash the driver |
| 19:19.49 | JeffM | that's part of the GL spec |
| 19:20.12 | ts | OpenGL is designed to ignore "bad input" |
| 19:20.15 | JeffM | ts: yes, they are, but many mac users seem to imply that there choice of software infers less problems. |
| 19:20.24 | JeffM | ts: smoothing isn't "bad input" |
| 19:20.28 | JeffM | it's a state flag |
| 19:20.35 | L4m3r | JeffM: no, it's not that at all |
| 19:20.48 | joevano | sounds like a driver issue |
| 19:20.51 | JeffM | it is |
| 19:20.54 | L4m3r | it causes them (as the user) to cause fewer problems |
| 19:20.56 | Flash | ~cluebat joevano |
| 19:20.57 | ibot | ACTION pulls out a ClueBat (tm) and thwaps joevano. |
| 19:20.57 | JeffM | apple BROKE the driver |
| 19:21.02 | joevano | hehe |
| 19:21.05 | L4m3r | if there are problems, they can blame them on others :) |
| 19:21.06 | JeffM | L4m3r: that is ONE part of it |
| 19:21.13 | JeffM | that is one way they see less issues |
| 19:21.19 | ts | JeffM: I wanted to say OpenGL is not prone to crashes.. |
| 19:21.28 | JeffM | Flash: it probably really is a driver issue, GET over it |
| 19:21.37 | Flash | is over it |
| 19:21.38 | L4m3r | they got sick of breaking their windows system, blaming Windows, and having people say "Lol, you broke it noob" |
| 19:21.41 | L4m3r | :P |
| 19:21.48 | JeffM | your problem is you have no option but to wait |
| 19:22.23 | ts | Retail cards have own drivers, IIRC |
| 19:22.31 | JeffM | some do, some don't |
| 19:22.40 | JeffM | apple realy dosn't want vendors making drivers |
| 19:22.56 | JeffM | as the people we know at nvidia and ATI are not happy about |
| 19:23.14 | JeffM | OSX dosn't really have a good driver "install/remove" system |
| 19:23.23 | JeffM | cus it's all first party stuff |
| 19:23.41 | ts | Heh, there is even no uninstall mechanism at all |
| 19:23.47 | JeffM | exactly |
| 19:23.54 | JeffM | while that is fine for how they do applications |
| 19:24.07 | JeffM | it is not for things like drivers, where you just may have to manage them |
| 19:24.11 | L4m3r | stop it, the reality distortion field is starting to crack! |
| 19:24.20 | ts | hehe |
| 19:24.20 | JeffM | if they didn't allow third party hardware, that system would be fine |
| 19:24.42 | L4m3r | technically they don't |
| 19:24.44 | JeffM | L4m3r: it was powered down just after macworld 2007 |
| 19:24.46 | L4m3r | not internally anyway |
| 19:24.52 | blast007 | remote: please stop asking us to help you with your cheat client. |
| 19:24.56 | ts | L4m3r: Mac Pro... |
| 19:25.13 | ts | Ah, well it gets offtopic, evidently |
| 19:25.17 | JeffM | yeah |
| 19:25.30 | L4m3r | yeah, but most of those "third-party" components are offered pre-installed |
| 19:25.38 | JeffM | now I do think that we could redo our GL calls to work better with the drivers |
| 19:25.53 | L4m3r | so they're not strictly third-party, since they're supported by Apple (in theory) |
| 19:26.01 | JeffM | most modern drivers are optimised a little differently then we are |
| 19:26.18 | JeffM | our instance on minimising state changes is what kills most I think |
| 19:27.21 | ts | I don't know how modern drivers work |
| 19:28.05 | JeffM | they don't flush the entire cache on a state change ;) |
| 19:28.28 | JeffM | in software/old GL/SGI GL state changes were expensive |
| 19:28.50 | JeffM | but now that hardware has all this pipelining and paralel processing, it's not so bad |
| 19:29.12 | JeffM | since it's all just snaped off and sent out to execution units, instead of done RIGHT NOW on the CPU |
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| 19:29.31 | JeffM | it's the big change from imediate mode to deffered processing. |
| 19:29.33 | ts | If fewer but bigger state changes mean more performance than a lot of small changes, then would it be a good idea to do one huge state change when the frame logic (driving etc, not drawing) is done? |
| 19:29.46 | JeffM | not anymnore |
| 19:29.56 | JeffM | now the performance change between those 2 are minimal |
| 19:30.01 | JeffM | if you do them smartly |
| 19:30.09 | JeffM | bind as many state changes into lists as you can, etc.. |
| 19:30.24 | JeffM | then the card can preprocess them |
| 19:30.34 | JeffM | since all they are is paramaters to a shader program |
| 19:30.50 | JeffM | texture changes do take a little time now, but not much as long as they are bound. |
| 19:31.20 | ts | Hrm, I see..I need to learn more about this stuff :/ |
| 19:31.33 | L4m3r | ew, it is way too hot for long sleeves :( |
| 19:31.40 | JeffM | it's one way that DX is a little better then GL, it's not set on this monolithk "state" thing that you have to run thru, you can premake all kinds of states and objejets and just fire them off |
| 19:31.45 | ts | In my research I'm not even close to shaders yet |
| 19:31.52 | Flash | sends L4m3r to Florida where it's nice and cool |
| 19:32.02 | JeffM | ts: all modern cards use shader units AS the GPU |
| 19:32.21 | JeffM | so the entire drawing is done by hundreds of execution units |
| 19:32.29 | ts | Anything done is done in the shader units? |
| 19:32.35 | JeffM | yeah |
| 19:32.40 | ts | Wow |
| 19:32.48 | JeffM | it makes it super flexable |
| 19:33.27 | JeffM | "openGL" is just a preprocessor to the internal hardware API |
| 19:34.03 | JeffM | so state changes are realy just changing flags for the shader programs that get sent out to be processed |
| 19:34.07 | JeffM | they don't do anything "now" |
| 19:34.18 | JeffM | they just change how the next drawable thing is processed |
| 19:34.34 | JeffM | so you can set all those options once, or just set the flags as they change, the impact is minimal |
| 19:34.51 | ts | I thought it's not exactly a preprocessor to the internal hardware API as it can emulate functions not available in hardware. |
| 19:35.12 | JeffM | the driver turns GL into whatever it can |
| 19:35.23 | JeffM | if hardware can't do it, sure it'll be done on the CPU |
| 19:35.37 | JeffM | but since modern cards can basicly run ANYTHING on the GPU using those shader programs..... |
| 19:36.02 | JeffM | there is probably some stuff that is CPU emulated, splines, nurbs, etc.. |
| 19:36.06 | JeffM | stuff that we should never use |
| 19:36.12 | JeffM | things games don't do |
| 19:36.26 | JeffM | tho shader programs for nurbs wouldn't be to hard ether |
| 19:36.53 | JeffM | that's the joy of modern cards, they don't have specialised hardware, they are a bank of fast, paralel process streams that have direct access to video memory. |
| 19:37.11 | JeffM | thats why there is an API to do geneal computing on the hardware |
| 19:37.15 | JeffM | CUDA, etc.. |
| 19:37.35 | Yassen | okay, so the lua stuff is built into the project files now? |
| 19:37.42 | JeffM | should be |
| 19:37.53 | Yassen | goes to update his files |
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| 20:46.03 | JeffM | heh |
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| 22:59.44 | javawizard2539 | What exactly does it mean if bzflag3.0 refuses to start because it's side-by-side config is incorrect? |
| 23:00.09 | javawizard2539 | I've read that it means that you have to have visual c++ redistributable installed if you don't have msvc, but installing that on the computer I'm testing it on doesn't work, and my computer already has msvc |
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| 23:25.47 | me1 | hmm, i kinda liked the thing where you could click on the persons name and it made their name in bold in the quickreply |
| 23:26.58 | JeffM2501 | yeah the new one dosn't do that |
| 23:27.05 | JeffM2501 | cus it uses that name as a link to the profile |
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| 23:42.20 | blast007 | javawizard2539: are you running a build that you compiled on that system? |
| 23:42.32 | javawizard2539 | No |
| 23:42.42 | javawizard2539 | I'm compiling on one computer, copying to another, and running |
| 23:42.55 | JeffM2501 | what compiler did you use to compile? |
| 23:43.10 | javawizard2539 | visual c++ 2008 express |
| 23:43.26 | blast007 | what version do you have on the computer you're trying to run it on? |
| 23:43.27 | JeffM2501 | install the 2008 redist on the other computer |
| 23:43.36 | JeffM2501 | and did you build debug or release? |
| 23:43.49 | javawizard2539 | I did, but it made no difference |
| 23:43.53 | javawizard2539 | debug |
| 23:43.56 | JeffM2501 | that's why |
| 23:43.59 | JeffM2501 | build release |
| 23:44.04 | JeffM2501 | systems with out VC don't have debug libs |
| 23:44.21 | javawizard2539 | ok |
| 23:44.41 | JeffM2501 | when you build debug on windows, you link to the debug versions of the runtime libs, so that you can get debug info out of them too |
| 23:44.52 | JeffM2501 | but the debug versions of the runtimes are not licensed for distrobution |
| 23:44.59 | JeffM2501 | so they are not on "normal" systems |
| 23:45.10 | JeffM2501 | normal users do not need debug info anyway, cus they don't have debugers ;) |
