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| 02:10.33 | JeffM2501 | much better :) |
| 02:39.30 | spldart | ;-] |
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| 06:31.06 | JeffM2501 | hallo |
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| 16:26.10 | CIA-38 | BZFlag: 03bullet_catcher * r18830 10/trunk/bzflag/include/PlayerState.h: Buffer overflows are bad, so adjust the value of PlayerUpdatePLenMax to reflect the fact that timestamps have been changed from float to double. |
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| 16:35.37 | BulletCatcher | Are there any technical obstacles to changing methods such as ServerLink::sendKilled() to use the BufferedNetworkMessage class? That would eliminate a bunch of potential buffer overflow situations. |
| 16:42.02 | JeffM | we should make everything use the buffers |
| 16:42.07 | JeffM | buffers are awesome |
| 16:42.14 | JeffM | I just didn't do the client side send yet |
| 16:42.25 | JeffM | client send, and server recive need to be done |
| 16:43.16 | JeffM | nos the classes may need to be moded to take the correct netHandler on con struction so they can be reused on the client, but that should be the only techincal issue |
| 16:47.35 | BulletCatcher | Okay. I'll try converting something really simple like ServerLink::sendGrabFlag() and see how that goes. |
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| 17:10.20 | BulletCatcher | Huh. Nothing actually calls ServerLink::sendGrabFlag(). I removed it entirely and recompiled successfully. |
| 17:12.58 | JeffM | yeah that's server side now ;) |
| 17:13.49 | BulletCatcher | D'oh! I'll commit the removal, then, and look for similar cases. |
| 17:13.54 | JeffM | yeah |
| 17:14.08 | JeffM | try messageHit |
| 17:14.15 | JeffM | or whatever it's called |
| 17:14.18 | JeffM | it's minor and small |
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| 17:16.16 | BulletCatcher | It looks like ServerLink::sendHit() is still used in playing.cxx . |
| 17:16.22 | JeffM | yeah |
| 17:16.25 | JeffM | it should be |
| 17:16.28 | JeffM | so try converting that |
| 17:16.31 | JeffM | it'll be a simple one |
| 17:16.35 | BulletCatcher | k |
| 17:16.45 | JeffM | it'll also be used more in the future :) |
| 17:18.24 | BulletCatcher | But it will go away when all shots are handled server-side, right? (in 4.0) |
| 17:19.40 | JeffM | nope |
| 17:19.47 | JeffM | it will actualy be the key message |
| 17:20.20 | JeffM | it'll tell the server that client side state is in sync with the server state |
| 17:20.32 | JeffM | no mater what we will STILL do client side checks |
| 17:20.35 | JeffM | to make things faster |
| 17:20.46 | JeffM | the server will just be there to arbitrate disputes |
| 17:21.12 | BulletCatcher | BZFlag small claims court |
| 17:21.17 | JeffM | basicly |
| 17:21.28 | JeffM | for your average player there should be no disputes |
| 17:21.38 | JeffM | it should only come into play on the very laggy or the cheaters |
| 17:22.15 | JeffM | and I'm ok with them having a little more latency in kills :) |
| 17:28.27 | BulletCatcher | If I understand correctly, we don't need sendGrabFlag() any more because the server (theoretically) knows the player tank position and will just give the flag to the player when the tank is within the flag grab radius. |
| 17:28.28 | BulletCatcher | On the other hand we still need sendDropFlag() to let the server know when the player hits the space bar. |
| 17:31.24 | JeffM | yes |
| 17:31.27 | JeffM | that is the basics |
| 17:32.09 | JeffM | pickup is a server to you action, since you can't drive over a flag and choose to NOT pick it up |
| 17:32.33 | JeffM | where drops are a user action, just like firing |
| 17:32.46 | BulletCatcher | Useless flag FTW |
| 17:33.14 | JeffM | the only "cheat" that can be done with the drop message is trying to drop flags you can't drop, and we can just have the server ignore them. |
| 17:33.29 | JeffM | or boot em if they do that |
| 17:33.51 | blast007 | would be cool just to prevent them from dropping it |
| 17:33.59 | JeffM | give it back? |
| 17:34.20 | JeffM | if the client is moded to actualy think it droped it, then we have a state discrepancy |
| 17:34.22 | blast007 | would open up plugin possibilities, such as forcing someone to keep a team flag until they get shot |
| 17:34.52 | JeffM | and have to resolve that by checking the rest of the input to make sure that it still has the flag we think |
| 17:35.09 | JeffM | ahh, you want to change the message to a "request to drop" message then just do a server side drop |
| 17:35.13 | JeffM | that'd not be a bad change |
| 17:35.15 | blast007 | yup |
| 17:35.22 | JeffM | add a little lag to the drop but easy enough to do |
| 17:36.51 | BulletCatcher | That would make it harder to quickly drop, say, a GM flag to kill the ST tank that just appeared right in front of you. |
| 17:37.03 | JeffM | potentialy |
| 17:37.11 | blast007 | BulletCatcher: only if you are laggy |
| 17:37.19 | JeffM | it'd still have more lag |
| 17:37.25 | blast007 | yeah |
| 17:37.34 | JeffM | best would also be to send a "dropable" bit with the pickup |
| 17:37.38 | JeffM | to let them know they can't even try |
| 17:37.47 | BulletCatcher | That would make me happier. |
| 17:38.08 | JeffM | it would need to be tested |
| 17:38.18 | BulletCatcher | Like all changes. ;-) |
| 17:39.00 | JeffM | well, historicaly we haven't playtested many gameplay changes |
| 17:40.06 | JeffM | makes sacrifices to the internet gods to ensure that he has connections when he moves |
| 17:40.38 | blast007 | sacrificial lolcat? |
| 17:40.44 | JeffM | perhaps |
| 17:41.13 | JeffM | if all goes well, the tubes will be connected on the 7th, I move in on the 8th, and the tubes in the old place go dark at midnight on the 8th |
| 17:41.49 | JeffM | I've already got everything detached from my verizon.net email.. so it should be fine :) |
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| 17:42.10 | JeffM | it boggles me that I'll be paying less then 1/2 what I pay now for 2x the bandwith |
| 17:42.35 | JeffM | I don't even know if I NEED 6 megs down |
| 17:44.43 | BulletCatcher | A year from now you'll wonder how you ever lived without it. |
| 17:44.50 | JeffM | not really |
| 17:44.55 | JeffM | I had 6 megs down once |
| 17:44.59 | JeffM | then I went to 3 |
| 17:45.16 | JeffM | and I don't host from home anymore |
| 17:45.38 | JeffM | not since I have a dedicated system at the same place the list server is at |
| 17:54.07 | CIA-38 | BZFlag: 03bullet_catcher * r18831 10/trunk/bzflag/src/bzflag/ (ServerLink.cxx ServerLink.h): Remove sendGrabFlag(), as it is no longer used. |
| 17:54.18 | BulletCatcher | All of the other ServerLink methods still seem to be in use. |
| 17:54.25 | JeffM | cool |
| 17:54.37 | JeffM | yeah it's rare that we remove a message |
| 17:55.32 | BulletCatcher | It seems like we could do away with sendCaptureFlag() for the same reason. |
| 17:55.47 | JeffM | maybe |
| 17:55.58 | JeffM | I'd like to get rid of as many as we can |
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| 18:05.26 | JeffM | anyone else want bzflag cloaks? I'm submiting another list |
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| 19:06.08 | tankzilla | hey guys, i had an idea for a plugin |
| 19:06.31 | tankzilla | when you go to identify/lock-on to see the lag of the person underneath the name |
| 19:06.39 | tankzilla | this way you know to shoot early or late |
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| 19:12.48 | Winny | "underneath" the name? |
| 19:13.11 | tankzilla | yeah, that's the first idea i had |
| 19:13.40 | Winny | that's not a plugin |
| 19:13.45 | Winny | that would be a client feature |
| 19:15.03 | tankzilla | I wasn't sure exactly how it could be done, but you can agree there would be less "???" in the game |
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| 20:19.37 | JeffM | tankzilla, our goal is to make it so that we compensate for lag so you don't have to |
| 20:19.45 | JeffM | 3.0 is trying to do that now with some sucsess |
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| 21:44.49 | lan56 | the shirts look great btw :) |
| 21:46.23 | brlcad | howdy lan56, ltns |
| 21:47.19 | lan56 | yeah I know I've been losing interest off and on |
| 21:47.32 | lan56 | sometimes I've been burning to get back into the game, other weeks it's bleh |
| 21:47.37 | lan56 | how have you been? |
| 21:53.04 | brlcad | pretty good, too busy |
| 21:53.45 | brlcad | we had a great summit up in CA just last weekend |
| 21:53.53 | brlcad | which reminds me |
| 21:54.04 | brlcad | JBdiGriz: can you test out the iconification/deiconification |
| 21:54.17 | brlcad | could also use some testing by someone on Linux using SDL too |
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| 22:08.29 | Winny | lan56: glad you like it :) |
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| 22:10.17 | lan56 | darn are you guys planning any other CA meetups soon? I'd love to come to one |
| 22:10.44 | lan56 | Winny: yeah it is awesome, I might buy one soon. did you design it? |
| 22:11.06 | Winny | the basic design, yes, JeffM did refining to make it printable |
| 22:11.28 | lan56 | nice, gj guys! :) |
| 22:12.39 | brlcad | lan56: probably not for a while now, but never know |
| 22:12.46 | brlcad | just need some excuse :) |
| 22:12.54 | Winny | free beer |
| 22:13.09 | lan56 | someone forgot something on the last one, and everyone needs to come back to identify it! |
| 22:13.17 | brlcad | siggraph isn't in CA next summer, so that convenience is out (it's down in new orleans, woot) |
| 22:13.39 | lan56 | oh cool, that should help out new orleans rebound and everything |
| 22:17.14 | JeffM | has to give away his hoodie when it comes in |
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| 22:42.39 | SportChick | blast007: ping |
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| 22:54.40 | JBdiGriz | brlcad: I'll test it this evening. I'm heading to the airport shortly. |
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| 23:24.53 | spldart | Did I do something wrong http://pastebin.bzflag.bz/m25d64c17 |
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| 23:51.15 | CIA-38 | BZFlag: 03dtremenak * r18832 10/trunk/bzflag/src/platform/WinWindow.cxx: constness correction |
| 23:58.33 | spldart | Thankies. Fixed. |