IRC log for #bzflag on 20080930

00:10.35delusionalprobably best to set for each, but you can wrap them in a define, then set the matref in a group
00:15.46scgtrphm. don't think that will help much
00:30.40donny_bakersearch and replace for the win
00:30.49donny_bakeroh he left
00:33.43JeffMdonny_baker, did you see the link to the page o' shirt designs?
00:34.08donny_bakeryeah.. mulling them over, thanks
00:34.20JeffMk
00:39.01brlcadJeffM, DTRemenak|RDP, Erroneous, donny_baker, spldart, Manu, JBdiGriz, blast007, and whomever else I missed -- be sure to update mailing address on the dashboard per message that came out today (no '.' or ',' or non-ascii chars)
00:40.16JeffMsame as it was last year
00:40.28donny_bakerdashboard?
00:40.38spldartGSoC DB?
00:40.39JeffMmentor dashboard-> my profile
00:40.41JeffMyes
00:40.42spldartah
00:40.42donny_bakerah
00:40.48spldartJinx!
00:40.51spldartNo tags backs
00:42.05brlcadJeffM: there's a different process this year
00:42.25brlcadso it might have worked last year, but if it has . or , or non-ascii this year, it'll choke
00:42.31JeffMit dosn't
00:42.51brlcadthe web interface won't, it's the folks processing the shirts
00:43.14brlcadthey're going to dump it to some format they require
00:43.24brlcadhence the message for everyone to change their address
00:43.46brlcadso lh doesn't have to edit them one-by-one a coupld thousand times over
00:46.36donny_bakermine is/was good
00:49.02spldartSo if the google addy I use in my gsoc dashboard has no characters other than alphanumerics I'm fine?
00:50.09JeffMspelled out "drive" so he's cool :)
00:58.27brlcadspldart: it's the mailing address
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05:37.08BulletCatcherMy testing of trunk bzfs shows that clients do not receive the MsgSuperKill sent in serverStop() (in bzfs.cxx).
05:37.10BulletCatcherIs that because MSGMGR.update() is not called afterward as it would be if the main loop were still running?
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06:35.55Manubrlcad: non-ascii chars where? in the email or in the name?
06:36.33Manudo you mean for the t-shirt? I received it the last year
06:58.49pacman87Manu: in the name or shipping address
07:24.16brlcadManu: yeah, in name or shipping -- it's a different process this year
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07:39.58Manubrlcad: so I must remove the tilde in my second name, right?
07:40.26Manuit's incredible google can't manage utf8 in 2008
07:41.38Manubrlcad: I have removed all the tildes, also in the address :/
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07:53.20brlcadManu: it's not so much google as they're passing the info on to a 3rd party to manage the shipping, and they don't support it
07:53.58brlcadalso reasonable explanation as someone on the list pointed out that label-printing devices simply often don't support it either
07:54.48Manubrlcad: I can print special chars in an esc/pos printer so if I can they can too ;)
07:55.13Manuof course I wrote the program ;)
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07:55.50Manuusually printers allow you to define special chars using graphics :)
07:55.50brlcadof course you can do anything if you do it yourself
07:56.03Manuwell, I do it for my customers :)
07:56.04brlcadsure, but as a print shop, they could just say "no"
07:56.11Manuheh
07:56.27Manunon international shops :)
07:56.32brlcadthey probably have absolutely no incentive to need to
07:57.03Manuthey must think.. if we don't have special chars whoelse need it ;)
07:57.10brlcadit's probably just a small mom n' pop shipping company
07:57.55brlcadalso just as likely, the *harware* might not actually support it if it's a custom label printing device
07:58.16brlcadentirely depends on the device of course
07:58.36Manuyes, but all the label printers I know, allows you to define chars, it's just the software
07:58.39brlcadi've seen some that are really simple, don't even act like printers
07:59.00Manuif they work in USA, and you haven't special chars, their program probably doesn't support it
07:59.40Manuwell, for speed I must avoid the printers drivers and send data as row :)
07:59.43brlcadthat's still a pita, extra work when it's just as easy to remove the chars
08:02.41Manubrlcad: yes, but is not nice to see your name with spelling mistakes ;)
08:02.48Manubut no problem at all
08:03.21brlcadit's just a shipping label :P
08:03.22Manuall for a t-shirt ;)
08:04.42brlcadyeah, it sucks .. but it's free and really just doesn't matter :)
08:05.43Manu:)
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08:39.48Manuhola quantumdot :)
08:41.16quantumdothola Manu :)
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08:41.50Manucomo tu por aqui.. :-p
08:41.55quantumdoteso me pregunto yo
08:41.55quantumdotes muy "distracting"
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13:16.45*** topic/#bzflag is Topic for #bzflag is: http://cia.vc/stats/project/BZFlag || http://my.BZFlag.org/w/Getting_Help || logs at http://ibot.rikers.org/%23bzflag/ || http://ohloh.net/projects/189 || 2.0.12 is the latest linux release, 2.0.10 for others || The shirt logo contest is over, may the best design win.
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14:24.57CIA-48BZFlag: 03bullet_catcher * r18671 10/trunk/bzflag/src/bzfs/bzfs.cxx: When shutting down, actually transmit the MsgSuperKill to clients and then give them some time to receive and process it.
14:34.42CIA-48BZFlag: 03bullet_catcher * r18672 10/trunk/bzflag/src/bzfs/bzfs.cxx: Expunge the exitCode variable, which always had a value of zero.
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16:49.21JeffMManu, you awake?
17:08.48ManuJeffM: aprox yes ;)
17:09.23JeffMI need you to look at the shirt designs and tell me what one you like
17:09.32Manuyes, I saw it
17:09.36JeffMk
17:09.50Manuone I like?
17:09.57JeffMyes
17:09.58Manudunno if it was the second design..
17:10.04Manuwhat was the link?
17:23.00JeffMdonny_baker, you get a chance to look em over?
17:23.38donny_bakeryeah.. flip flopping at the moment
17:23.42JeffMk
17:23.51JeffMit's just you and JBdiGriz
17:24.00donny_bakerk, ill make a decision
17:24.17Manudonny_baker: hurry up
17:24.24Manu:)
17:25.13BulletCatcherDoes it matter whether a C or C++ style cast is used in a statement such as
17:25.15BulletCatcherstd::string s = "player " + (std::string)playerData->player.getCallSign();
17:25.16BulletCatcher?
17:25.37JeffMBulletCatcher, I always do std::string(char) for em
17:25.49JeffMcus they are not types but objects of a class
17:25.54JeffMand you want to create a new unanmed temp
17:26.25JeffMa char* can not be cast as a std::string, but a std::string can be created FROM a char*
17:26.32JeffMsince it has additional info
17:26.57BulletCatcherOkay, I think I understand the difference.  I'll do it the C++ way.  Thanks.
17:32.40JeffMpings JBdiGriz
17:39.38CIA-48BZFlag: 03bullet_catcher * r18674 10/trunk/bzflag/src/bzfs/commands.cxx: For clarity use std::string operations for simple formatting rather than TextUtils::format().
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19:31.11WinnyYou'd think this would be the family reunion from the picture... but nope. http://www.boston.com/ae/tv/articles/2008/09/29/how_could_parenting_17_kids_be_dull_just_watch/
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20:17.16brlcadupdate, supposed to also remove punctuation from your phone numbers as well ( JeffM, Manu, donny_baker, spldart, JBdiGriz, TimRiker, Erroneous, and anyone else I missed)
20:17.53TimRikerbrlcad: huh?
20:19.25spldartLike no minus signs splitting up the phone number?
20:24.03brlcadspldart: yeah
20:24.30brlcadTimRiker: to get the gsoc t-shirts, there are some pretty lame input requirements on your profile page
20:24.43brlcad( http://code.google.com/soc/2008/mentor.html )
20:25.16brlcadno '.' or ',' allowed in the address as well as no non-ascii chars as well as no punctuation in the phone number
20:25.58ruskielol
20:37.25TimRikerbrlcad: with or without the area code?
20:37.51TimRikerie: I had +1(800)555-1212  so what do they want now?
20:38.35TimRikerah... says to include the country code, so I presume 18005551212 the silly form they want now.
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20:43.08spldartI broke up my number with spaces. I figure that's not a punctuation or non asci hehe
20:45.11Manubrlcad: I have no punctuation in my phone number, just numbers :-p
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20:49.28brlcaddials up tim and gets a recording
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20:59.30JeffMbrlcad, if you know JBdiGriz's number call him and tell him to vote ;)
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21:04.04scgtrpwhat's the difference between 'drivethrough' and 'passable' on a meshbox? (the wiki mentions neither, but i assume they exist since blender can output them)
21:04.14JeffMpassable == shotthru too
21:04.28scgtrpah. ok
21:06.38scgtrphm. drivethrough seems to do nothing, passable lets me drive and shoot through it
21:07.08JeffMmake sure it's spelled right
21:07.41scgtrpit is
21:08.04JeffMpassable just sets both bits so I dunno what to tell ya
21:08.15scgtrphm
21:09.57scgtrpare any of these case sensitive? missile war is using driveThrough
21:10.08JeffMI don't recall
21:10.12JeffMthey may be
21:10.34me1case doesn't matter
21:10.41scgtrpnope, that doesn't work either
21:11.16JeffMwhat version are you using?
21:13.17scgtrpBZFlag client 2.0.13.20080902-DEVEL-linux-gnu-SDL (protocol 0026) http://BZFlag.org/
21:13.28JeffMwierd
21:13.42scgtrpserver is the same version, although i don't know whether it matters
21:14.41scgtrphm, missile war is also using meshes for everything it seems
21:14.58JeffMwhat object are you applying it to ?
21:15.36scgtrpa box
21:15.43JeffMmake it a meshbox
21:16.01JeffMboxes and pyramids are limited in what they can do
21:16.40scgtrp... go figure, that worked
21:17.09scgtrpi thought bzfs was supposed to convert them to meshboxes if necessary though?
21:17.10JeffMsupposed to and does are not the same things ;)
21:17.13me1scgtrp, are the boxes with drivethrough have materials?
21:17.18scgtrptrue. i can texture them though
21:17.19scgtrpyeah
21:17.25CIA-48BZFlag: 03JeffM2501 * r18675 10/trunk/bzflag/ (3 files in 2 dirs):
21:17.25CIA-48BZFlag: expand the bz_ePlayerAuthEventData to include info for if the user has a password, or did global auth.
21:17.25CIA-48BZFlag: call bz_ePlayerAuthEvent when global auth finishes, with both positive and negative results.
21:17.27scgtrpwell, not textured, but they have materials
21:17.27me1because normal boxes should work with drivethrough
21:17.45me1i've seen that if it has a material, you can't drive through it unless it's passable
21:17.50JeffMwhen you apply a material it converts them to a special "mesh like" box
21:17.59JeffMit's not the exact same as a meshbox
21:18.04scgtrpahh. i see
21:18.07JeffMthe autoconvert isn't perfect
21:18.16JeffMit's better to make it a meshbox
21:18.23scgtrphits the replace button and changes all the boxes to meshboxes to prevent future confusion.
21:23.33scgtrpgreat. now one of them is refusing to take any material
21:25.28scgtrpuhh, i take that back. only one side is getting colored -_-
21:26.19JeffMmeshboxes aren't doublesided
21:28.23scgtrp?
21:28.54scgtrpsince when was a meshbox not a 3d object?
21:29.57JeffMwhat is a 3d object?
21:30.25JeffMall meshes are just shells
21:31.08scgtrpthe box has some thickness to it. a box has 6 sides. i'd expect all 6 to be colored, at least from the outside
21:31.39scgtrphttp://scgtrp.dyndns.org/~mike/untitled%20folder/ << those are two pictures of the same box from different sides
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21:36.47JeffMahh I thought you meant inside/outside
21:37.34scgtrpyeah, inside it just looks like you're sealed (expected that)
21:37.45JeffMwhat is your material set to?
21:38.21scgtrpmatref blue_doorway, which is: http://pastebin.ca/1215134
21:41.49scgtrpit's copied and pasted exactly from the other two materials, just changed the color values
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22:05.55TD-Linuxnote that meshboxes don't always texture properly
22:06.11JeffMthey are textured properly for the UVs they have
22:06.15TD-Linuxwhereas an actual mesh that has uvcoords and is shaped like a box does
22:06.17JeffMthose UVS don't match boxes
22:06.20JeffMyeah
22:06.36scgtrpgot it. the solution was to disable lighting, i was just seeing a reflection
22:06.46TD-Linux... reflection?
22:06.56TD-Linuxyou mean specualr?
22:06.57JeffMwe don't do reflections
22:07.01scgtrpyeah, that
22:07.03TD-Linuxaka it lit up at a certain angle?
22:07.06scgtrpreflection of the light :)
22:07.07scgtrpyeah
22:07.16JeffMthat's not what specular is
22:07.18JeffMbut ok
22:07.27scgtrpyou get the point. :)
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