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| 02:31.42 | TheRedBaron | hrm - minimizing doesn't seem to work on vista sp1 |
| 02:35.54 | AHA | yeah |
| 02:36.06 | AHA | you can hit F1 then alt-tab out of it |
| 02:36.18 | TheRedBaron | 3 finger salute and starting the task manager minimizes it effectively |
| 02:37.30 | AHA | yeah |
| 02:37.34 | AHA | its rather annoying, actually |
| 02:49.08 | TheRedBaron | that it is |
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| 03:39.05 | blast007 | TheRedBaron: is that with 2.0.10? |
| 03:41.03 | TheRedBaron | blast007: yup |
| 03:41.23 | TheRedBaron | the thing is - mouse input gets directed back to windows |
| 03:41.30 | blast007 | heh |
| 03:41.46 | TheRedBaron | if I have my browser open - my cursor changes when hovering over links :) |
| 03:42.41 | blast007 | hehe |
| 03:45.47 | TheRedBaron | hrm |
| 03:45.52 | TheRedBaron | should compile and test with 2.99 |
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| 03:56.25 | blast007 | TheRedBaron: works fine for me in 2.0.10 |
| 04:00.01 | TheRedBaron | blast007: service pack 1 ? |
| 04:00.26 | blast007 | no |
| 04:00.37 | blast007 | SP1 hasn't shown up for me yet.. |
| 04:00.47 | JeffM | it didn't? |
| 04:00.49 | JeffM | wow |
| 04:00.53 | blast007 | nope :/ |
| 04:00.58 | JeffM | you should go get it |
| 04:01.02 | JeffM | it helps a lot |
| 04:01.05 | TheRedBaron | it does |
| 04:01.30 | blast007 | is it not showing up for a reason? I heard it didn't show up if some drivers weren't compatible, but I'm not sure if that's true |
| 04:04.25 | TheRedBaron | ug - this computer is not setup/configured to compile bz... |
| 04:04.46 | JeffM | blast007: I've not heard of that |
| 04:05.00 | JeffM | the only pulling of a SP is the XP one for POS stuff |
| 04:05.23 | JeffM | you sure you don't already have it? it should have been pushed to you long ago |
| 04:08.19 | blast007 | JeffM: I'm sure I don't have it, and I checked an MS KB article that gives reasons why it won't show up, one of which is drivers |
| 04:08.34 | JeffM | wonder what drivers you have that it dosn't like |
| 04:09.01 | blast007 | upgrading my video drivers and I'll see if that fixes it |
| 04:09.38 | blast007 | looks like I'm still on 69.09 |
| 04:11.59 | JeffM | ouch, looks like they are on 75.19 now |
| 04:12.10 | blast007 | yeah |
| 04:12.30 | blast007 | I don't use the machine too much |
| 04:12.37 | blast007 | it sucks :) |
| 04:12.45 | JeffM | what is it? |
| 04:12.51 | blast007 | an Everex |
| 04:13.02 | JeffM | what the heck is that? |
| 04:13.15 | blast007 | http://www.everex.com/products/xt5000t/xt5000t.htm |
| 04:13.38 | Viza | they sell those at walmart |
| 04:13.43 | blast007 | it'd be okay if the CPU actually had enough cooling |
| 04:13.48 | JeffM | TL50 ain't horible |
| 04:13.49 | Think_Differentl | how the hell do they get "step" and "note" from a portable computer. |
| 04:14.02 | Think_Differentl | maybe you're supposed to throw it down stairs. |
| 04:14.30 | blast007 | Think_Differentl: let me try that quick. Hey look, now it has better cooling, cuz of the huge hole in the case! |
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| 04:15.12 | Viza | just gotta think differently |
| 04:16.25 | TheRedBaron | meh - gotta install the SDK's also |
| 04:16.50 | Think_Differentl | blast007, the thing weighs 8.5 pounds? |
| 04:16.57 | blast007 | yeah |
| 04:17.16 | TheRedBaron | its a 17" screen |
| 04:17.34 | blast007 | it's got a lovely screen |
| 04:17.40 | blast007 | but that's about the only thing I like about it |
| 04:17.47 | blast007 | the keyboard is stupid |
| 04:17.54 | blast007 | it has three / keys |
| 04:18.06 | Think_Differentl | i've never seen much point in having a 17" laptop |
| 04:18.34 | Think_Differentl | maybe the designers were really thinking differently...with crack |
| 04:18.37 | TheRedBaron | I have one - I prefer desktop power. |
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| 04:19.16 | Think_Differentl | gaming laptops are pretty much of a lie too |
| 04:20.38 | TheRedBaron | dunno about that :) |
| 04:21.19 | TheRedBaron | if you don't mind carrying the weight and can live with shorter battery life - you can get "decent" performance from gaming laptops |
| 04:26.24 | TheRedBaron | they'll never be on par with gaming desktops - but if you're the type, its nice to be able to game away from home :) |
| 04:26.49 | JeffM | you can get decent performance out of a dell, if you just buy the right one |
| 04:27.02 | blast007 | hmm, I probably can't install the 175 driver |
| 04:27.07 | JeffM | lots of stuff run just fine on my 1520 |
| 04:27.11 | blast007 | 169.09 is the newest on laptopvideo2go |
| 04:27.28 | JeffM | laptops are phun |
| 04:27.32 | blast007 | maybe I should drop down to 169.02, which is WHQL |
| 04:28.03 | JeffM | the point of having a 17 is if you want a 17 inch display and travel ;) |
| 04:28.28 | blast007 | meh, the laptop sucks overall |
| 04:28.34 | blast007 | only an hour and a half battery life |
| 04:28.37 | JeffM | yeah that's a low end one |
| 04:28.46 | JeffM | but it probably works ok for note taking, etc.. |
| 04:28.51 | blast007 | not really |
| 04:28.55 | blast007 | the keyboard is crap |
| 04:28.58 | JeffM | why did you get it then? |
| 04:29.30 | blast007 | probably cuz it said "nVidia", and I was like "oooo, I bet that can play games" |
| 04:29.43 | a_meteorite | hehehe |
| 04:30.02 | JeffM | well that's why I got mine, but there were other critera too :) |
| 04:30.04 | TheRedBaron | its the 7600 - you should be able to play some :) |
| 04:30.11 | blast007 | I was gonna put XP on it, but that failed. Can't get wireless to work in XP without running at 4KB/sec and eating up a full core. |
| 04:30.20 | JeffM | ouch |
| 04:30.22 | blast007 | can't get audio to work in linux, but wireless works great |
| 04:30.23 | a_meteorite | crappy drivers? |
| 04:30.29 | JeffM | crapy chipset |
| 04:30.34 | a_meteorite | that too |
| 04:30.50 | blast007 | and in general, I can't play games without pressing the "Silent" button which locks the system to 800MHz |
| 04:31.09 | a_meteorite | at least you can say it hasn't exploded in your lap yet |
| 04:31.11 | blast007 | otherwise the system goes between 1600MHz and 800MHz every 5 seconds and makes games jitter |
| 04:31.25 | TheRedBaron | blast007: you can't disable cool and quiet in the bios ? |
| 04:31.41 | blast007 | TheRedBaron: the BIOS is *very* minimal on this one |
| 04:31.50 | blast007 | I bet my P133 system has more BIOS options.. |
| 04:32.21 | blast007 | and they say that it supports two hard drives, but they didn't give me the mount for the second bay :/ |
| 04:32.28 | blast007 | so first and last Everex |
| 04:32.55 | TheRedBaron | if you want a gaming laptop - go for gateway's p-series |
| 04:32.56 | a_meteorite | Everex? well that explains things |
| 04:33.17 | blast007 | TheRedBaron: nah, first and last "gaming" laptop too |
| 04:33.33 | TheRedBaron | eh? |
| 04:33.33 | blast007 | I'm sticking with ThinkPads.. |
| 04:34.05 | TheRedBaron | but but... |
| 04:34.26 | JeffM | Gateway, hell no |
| 04:34.27 | a_meteorite | blast007: is this what you have? http://www.everex.com/products/xt5000t/xt5000t.htm |
| 04:34.31 | blast007 | yes |
| 04:34.39 | Flash | whispers "MacBook Pro" |
| 04:34.49 | TheRedBaron | aw, whats wrong with gateway? |
| 04:34.51 | JeffM | Flash: and waste a grand. why? |
| 04:35.11 | JeffM | TheRedBaron: support is slow, accesories and parts are hard to find. and the screens are soft |
| 04:35.12 | Flash | because I have none of the problems you've been discussing for the past page |
| 04:35.20 | JeffM | Flash: nor have i with my dell |
| 04:35.26 | JeffM | and it cost a LOT less ;) |
| 04:35.30 | blast007 | Flash: yeah, but I don't want OSX |
| 04:35.31 | a_meteorite | JeffM: I guess you don't read reviews |
| 04:35.41 | JeffM | I owned a gateway |
| 04:35.49 | JeffM | got rid of it after 6 months for the dell |
| 04:35.49 | a_meteorite | blast007: *cough* Bootcamp *cough* |
| 04:35.52 | JeffM | it's MUCH better |
| 04:36.00 | blast007 | a_meteorite: doesn't that require you to have OSX installed? |
| 04:36.05 | JeffM | a_meteorite: then why spend the 1000$ extra on the mac |
| 04:36.06 | a_meteorite | you could just wipe OS X too |
| 04:36.13 | a_meteorite | you're not forced to use bootcamp by any means |
| 04:36.15 | JeffM | you can get the same hardware elsewhere |
| 04:36.15 | TheRedBaron | JeffM: not in my experience. My first laptop was a gateway 2000 solo |
| 04:36.27 | blast007 | I hate gateway |
| 04:36.27 | TheRedBaron | 233mhz with 64mb ram :D |
| 04:36.29 | JeffM | we've had nothing but trouble with gateways at work |
| 04:36.33 | a_meteorite | JeffM: of course, you're paying for the OS X experience, but I know my Apple stuff is quality built |
| 04:36.36 | JeffM | the dells are much better |
| 04:36.47 | blast007 | a_meteorite: so is my thinkpad |
| 04:36.50 | blast007 | and it costs less |
| 04:36.52 | a_meteorite | gateway laptops at work are always funky... |
| 04:37.18 | JeffM | a_meteorite: sure it is, that dosn't mean there arn't also good PC companies |
| 04:37.18 | JeffM | yeah like ibm and tell |
| 04:37.18 | JeffM | dell |
| 04:37.18 | JeffM | the only thing I'd change on mine is the batteries I got |
| 04:37.18 | a_meteorite | desktops, not so much, laptops, meh |
| 04:37.18 | blast007 | my thinkpad is probably BETTER quality than an Apple |
| 04:37.25 | TheRedBaron | hugs his gateway |
| 04:37.36 | JeffM | Apple generaly comes it a light lighter then others, that's about it |
| 04:37.49 | a_meteorite | blast007: no argument from me with that, plus good linux support |
| 04:37.55 | blast007 | :) |
| 04:38.11 | JeffM | and they tend to get intel CPUs slightly sooner then other OEMs |
| 04:38.57 | JeffM | the 15 inch macbook pro didn't have a high enough resolution ether |
| 04:45.18 | TheRedBaron | meh - I'll test compile bzflag 2.99 on vista sp1 in the morning/tomorrow. g'night. |
| 04:45.34 | JeffM | I did a release build of trunk |
| 04:45.36 | JeffM | you can just use that |
| 04:45.40 | TheRedBaron | oh |
| 04:45.55 | JeffM | http://beta.bzflag.bz/builds/2.99.x/ |
| 04:46.31 | blast007 | TheRedBaron: did you set Win32NoMin (or whatever it is) in your config? |
| 04:46.48 | JeffM | yeah that forces it |
| 04:46.49 | blast007 | if so, that might be why it's not minimizing |
| 04:47.04 | TheRedBaron | um. I don't remember setting it - I never heard of it before |
| 04:47.10 | TheRedBaron | is it set by default ? :) |
| 04:47.14 | JeffM | no |
| 04:49.25 | TheRedBaron | its not set - and still no minimizing |
| 04:49.30 | blast007 | fun |
| 04:49.45 | JeffM | what are you hitting to minimise? |
| 04:49.45 | TheRedBaron | I have to force it to minimize via 3 finger salute and opening task manager |
| 04:49.50 | TheRedBaron | alt-tab |
| 04:49.52 | TheRedBaron | or windows key |
| 04:49.55 | TheRedBaron | neither one works |
| 04:50.15 | JeffM | arn't you suposed to hit F1 to iconify? |
| 04:50.29 | blast007 | no, F4 does it |
| 04:50.31 | TheRedBaron | that windows it |
| 04:50.33 | blast007 | F1 toggles full screen |
| 04:50.45 | blast007 | ah, there's SP1 :) |
| 04:50.58 | TheRedBaron | guess what :) |
| 04:50.58 | JeffM | one of the keys is iconify |
| 04:51.03 | TheRedBaron | F4 doesn't work either :) |
| 04:51.05 | blast007 | I had some optional driver updates in Windows Update.. (wireless and a couple others) |
| 04:51.13 | JeffM | that's it F4 |
| 04:51.13 | blast007 | so I'll see if SP1 breaks mine |
| 04:52.37 | JeffM | hmm I starts to work, but locks up |
| 04:52.47 | JeffM | something in the app is geeking |
| 04:52.53 | TheRedBaron | it locks the screen up - but the computer is not locked up |
| 04:53.03 | TheRedBaron | mouse input returns to windows |
| 04:53.11 | JeffM | yeah just the app |
| 04:53.15 | JeffM | we no longer get key input |
| 04:53.22 | JeffM | it's trying to process the iconify but fails |
| 04:53.23 | JeffM | odd |
| 04:53.28 | JeffM | I'll have to test it on XP tomorow |
| 04:53.39 | TheRedBaron | 1 sec and I can test on XP |
| 05:00.00 | TheRedBaron | JeffM: works still on xp |
| 05:00.07 | JeffM | fun |
| 05:00.21 | JeffM | probably a joyfull new system message then |
| 05:00.36 | TheRedBaron | best of luck to ya then :) |
| 05:01.00 | TheRedBaron | 1pm now - I'm really heading to bed - night. |
| 05:01.07 | JeffM | see yah |
| 05:01.49 | a_meteorite | 1pm? must live on the other side of the globe ;) |
| 05:04.46 | blast007 | heh.... s/pm/am/ |
| 05:09.11 | a_meteorite | blast007: joking :) |
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| 13:54.06 | tj13820 | Is there any way to load parts to a world file? like a seperate world to "inject"? |
| 14:01.21 | brad | yes there is! |
| 14:01.29 | brad | I just can't remember how |
| 14:01.35 | brad | something like include file.bzw ? |
| 14:01.54 | menotume | ~lart brad |
| 14:01.54 | ibot | teaches brad the basics, including how to RTM |
| 14:02.11 | brad | thx meno, needed that |
| 14:02.28 | brad | http://my.bzflag.org/w/Http://my.bzflag.org/w/Category:Map_Making/include |
| 14:02.31 | brad | tj13820: ^ |
| 14:03.20 | tj13820 | thank you |
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| 15:12.49 | BulletCatcher | sam, brlcad, or DTRemenak: the variable "s" defined at line 586 of ftgl/demo/FTGLDemo.cpp should be an unsigned int rather than a float. I'll submit a SF patch if you want. :-) |
| 15:21.45 | DTRemenak | grumbles about CIA not working |
| 15:23.51 | BulletCatcher | brlcad said he changed BZFlag from rpc to e-mail for CIA notifications, but he must not have changed FTGL. |
| 15:24.07 | DTRemenak | ah |
| 15:24.21 | brlcad | CIA-36 FTGL: brlcad *r1197 /trunk/ftgl/demo/FTGLDemo.cpp: unsigned int, thx BulletCatcher |
| 15:24.37 | brlcad | that's not exactly what I said |
| 15:24.40 | BulletCatcher | lol |
| 15:26.05 | brlcad | I said we (sf.net guys and cia guys) couldn't figure out why sf was getting intermittent routing failures nor why commits were non-functional -- so ALL of sourceforge.net was switched over to e-mail notifications |
| 15:26.47 | BulletCatcher | I stand corrected. |
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| 15:34.28 | brlcad | likes to sit corrected |
| 15:34.57 | BulletCatcher | CIA is unhappy. Got an internal server error from cia.vc, and my BZFlag commit hasn't been announced. |
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| 16:38.23 | blast007 | hi bugQ |
| 16:38.29 | bugQ | hello |
| 16:40.26 | bugQ | upgraded to leopard over the weekend |
| 16:40.57 | blast007 | cool |
| 16:41.27 | JeffM | good, now you can get slightly less old video drivers |
| 16:41.59 | bugQ | whee |
| 16:45.05 | spldart | heh |
| 16:45.13 | spldart | I forgot you were mac |
| 16:46.11 | bugQ | mostly, anyay |
| 16:46.14 | bugQ | *anyway |
| 16:46.36 | JeffM | ibot message for Constitution let me know when you are here. |
| 16:50.47 | ts | Newer is not good in all cases..a lot of older games stopped working in 10.5.x (IIRC x > 3) |
| 16:51.40 | bugQ | is the OS broken, or is it the game? :P |
| 16:51.52 | JeffM | the OS changed things that the game required |
| 16:51.55 | ts | Drivers for newer graphic cards aren't supporting 256 colours anymore. |
| 16:52.04 | JeffM | I've also seen input issues |
| 16:52.19 | ts | Old games use 256 colours -> eek |
| 16:52.50 | JeffM | I give apple props for having the balls to go and change major failings in there system/API, but that's the kinda stuff that can happen when you do that. borkage |
| 16:52.51 | Constitution | JeffM: I'm here |
| 16:52.57 | JeffM | Constitution, how's it going? |
| 16:53.23 | JeffM | havent' heard for you in a while and I want to check up on you |
| 16:53.29 | JeffM | gets out the 10 foot stick |
| 16:53.34 | Constitution | it's going well... I'm working on re-tying some of the graphics code for shot strats I pulled out back into the client. I plan to commit something tonight. |
| 16:53.47 | JeffM | cool |
| 16:54.00 | JeffM | I'd prefer it if you commit as you go, even if it dosn't work |
| 16:54.07 | JeffM | so we can see progress |
| 16:54.27 | JeffM | that and I need to steal some of your code for trunk :) |
| 16:54.34 | Constitution | okay |
| 16:54.54 | JeffM | is it going better for you in this branch then the others? |
| 16:55.13 | Constitution | as far as progress on my actual proposed work? yes |
| 16:55.25 | JeffM | do you feel better about it then the other one? |
| 16:55.48 | Constitution | yes |
| 16:55.53 | JeffM | good |
| 16:55.56 | Constitution | easier to see progress |
| 16:56.00 | JeffM | yeah |
| 16:56.22 | JeffM | well then I'll look for your commit tonight if I'm not too jacked up from the dentist :) |
| 16:56.53 | Constitution | okay, have fun with that :) |
| 16:56.57 | JeffM | riiighhht |
| 16:57.43 | bugQ | well, one thing Leopard is good for is that the new Macfusion doesn't freeze Finder in its tracks |
| 16:57.49 | Constitution | and bear in mind that "nights" for me generally means anytime before daylight the next morning :) |
| 16:57.50 | bugQ | so I can use local editors on remote stuff now |
| 16:58.13 | JeffM | Constitution, fair nuf |
| 16:58.19 | JeffM | you do work late |
| 16:58.37 | JeffM | misses some parts of vista :( |
| 16:59.05 | Constitution | you're back on XP? |
| 16:59.13 | JeffM | at work yea |
| 16:59.28 | JeffM | this machine is kinda slow |
| 16:59.38 | JeffM | and vista was having problmes hre |
| 16:59.50 | JeffM | so I got put back to XP with new drives |
| 17:00.15 | JeffM | I'm slated to get a new machine after IMTS then I'll go back to vista |
| 17:01.36 | Constitution | that looked like ITMS, as in iTunes Music Store :) |
| 17:02.08 | JeffM | Internationa Manufacturing Technology Show |
| 17:03.20 | bugQ | Interesting Marvin's Tackle Shop |
| 17:03.31 | JeffM | heh |
| 17:03.36 | JeffM | IMTS is huge for us |
| 17:09.35 | bugQ | is this a known issue? ld: cycle in dylib re-exports with /usr/X11/lib/libGL.dylib |
| 17:10.23 | brlcad | yes |
| 17:12.27 | TheRedBaron | JeffM: just curious - what do you like about vista ? |
| 17:12.37 | JeffM | the sidebar |
| 17:12.41 | TheRedBaron | ew |
| 17:12.50 | TheRedBaron | i disable that |
| 17:13.08 | JeffM | the fact that in the explorer if I wanted to go to a higher level in a path I could just click on the dir in the path in the address bar I coudl jump thre |
| 17:13.17 | TheRedBaron | that i like also |
| 17:13.20 | JeffM | recently used folders in the file open and save dialogs |
| 17:13.39 | JeffM | on the sidebar I had a calender and RSS reader |
| 17:13.43 | JeffM | as well as a notepad |
| 17:13.48 | JeffM | that was very handy at work |
| 17:13.56 | JeffM | if I could get a calculator there I'd be awesome |
| 17:14.04 | JeffM | it'd not i'd |
| 17:14.18 | bugQ | heh |
| 17:14.35 | JeffM | I like the start menu better |
| 17:14.42 | JeffM | it dosn't have all those fly out things |
| 17:14.54 | TheRedBaron | eh - not me. although the search at the bottom is nice |
| 17:15.11 | TheRedBaron | I don't like having to scroll through my programs |
| 17:15.14 | JeffM | I didn't like the fact that I'd end up with like 4 layers of pop out menus |
| 17:15.32 | JeffM | I'd prefer to scoll then to miss a popup and have it close em all |
| 17:16.02 | JeffM | it also always puts them in a consistent place "under" where you click |
| 17:16.18 | JeffM | as posed to over and up or down baed on how long the list is |
| 17:16.21 | JeffM | based |
| 17:16.26 | bugQ | quicksilver, man! almost instant access to almost everything. |
| 17:16.41 | JeffM | I liked the users dir layout better then the my documents dir |
| 17:17.00 | TheRedBaron | i still like window's XP classic theme for my taskbar and start menu :) |
| 17:17.21 | JeffM | at work I used that, at home I use areo |
| 17:17.35 | JeffM | at home vista runs perfectly fine |
| 17:17.37 | ts | How does vista deal with wide gamut displays? |
| 17:17.38 | TheRedBaron | alot of old games run under vista that wouldn't under xp |
| 17:17.50 | JeffM | compatability mode is a wonderfull thing |
| 17:18.09 | TheRedBaron | its - and it works :) |
| 17:18.22 | JeffM | since the screen drawing is now abstracted, it makes it simpler to provide various interfaces to apps |
| 17:18.48 | TheRedBaron | has run Deus Ex, Battlezone, Cossacks, Outlaws, etc |
| 17:18.51 | JeffM | "want 256 colors? , sure just fill this out, and I'll use DX to convert it to the real display" :) |
| 17:19.05 | JeffM | apple should be able to do a similar thing with opengl |
| 17:19.17 | bugQ | where would I add mac-specific flags for ld? I wanna try something. |
| 17:19.28 | JeffM | just let old apps fill out a 256 color context tuen use that as a texture |
| 17:19.36 | JeffM | bugQ, in configure.ac |
| 17:20.36 | ts | JeffM: Do you know how vista deals with wide gamut displays? |
| 17:20.56 | JeffM | ts, I don't even know what a wide gamut display is |
| 17:21.47 | donny_baker | ts do you mean wide-screen |
| 17:21.52 | ts | JeffM: They provide better colour range (can display more of AdobeRGB) |
| 17:21.58 | JeffM | gamut means color space IIRC |
| 17:22.09 | donny_baker | ah... the big bucks monitors |
| 17:22.12 | JeffM | ts I don't know |
| 17:22.37 | JeffM | do you mean like 30 and 48 bit displays? |
| 17:23.08 | ts | Umm, that is something I don't understand, either. |
| 17:23.29 | JeffM | you can get more color range by using more then 8 bits per pixel |
| 17:23.49 | JeffM | some high end displays use 10 bits per pixel to get more tones |
| 17:23.52 | ts | I thought displays have 8 bit LUT. Wide gamut have usually more, i think |
| 17:24.02 | JeffM | yes most have 8 per channel |
| 17:24.10 | JeffM | yeah wide == more |
| 17:24.53 | JeffM | 30 bit displays give 1024 levels per channel as compared to the normal 256 |
| 17:25.00 | ts | I heard in Mac OS X colours tend to be all too saturated on these displays. |
| 17:25.14 | ts | (Bad colour management) |
| 17:25.19 | JeffM | it would not suprise me if all the OSs have issues with them |
| 17:25.25 | JeffM | as there is not real standard for them |
| 17:25.55 | ts | So...I should look for a "standard" gamut display instead? |
| 17:26.17 | bugQ | why would you need more than 16777216 colors? |
| 17:26.20 | JeffM | what do you do that requires more then 16 million colors? |
| 17:26.24 | JeffM | are you an artist? |
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| 17:26.50 | ts | Eizo has a (relative) cheap 22" wide screen display but it's wide gamut. |
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| 17:27.04 | JeffM | ts, most humans can't realy see the changes |
| 17:27.08 | JeffM | you may in the greens a little |
| 17:27.15 | JeffM | but for most uses it is a waste |
| 17:27.32 | JeffM | it's not going to make your display just look beter |
| 17:27.41 | JeffM | because the input from most things will still be 24 bit |
| 17:28.01 | ts | Ah, I see. |
| 17:28.02 | JeffM | you'd only get it if you are working with specific apps that can do it( like adobie products) |
| 17:28.30 | ts | If I have 2 displays..can I set BZFlag to have one display for radar only? |
| 17:28.36 | JeffM | sure |
| 17:28.41 | JeffM | if you code that up as a feature |
| 17:28.46 | JeffM | and ditch using SDL |
| 17:29.26 | ts | Well, I know it's possible using coding but I wondered about the "out of the box" possibilities |
| 17:29.34 | JeffM | there are none |
| 17:29.40 | JeffM | platform only supports one window |
| 17:29.55 | JeffM | well there is a way to do it |
| 17:29.58 | JeffM | but it's freaky |
| 17:30.03 | JeffM | are the displays the same size? |
| 17:30.25 | JeffM | and is it an nvidia card? |
| 17:30.28 | Constitution | ts: http://my.bzflag.org/bb/viewtopic.php?t=12069 |
| 17:30.40 | JeffM | yeah that |
| 17:30.53 | JeffM | you basicly have to go into twinview span mode |
| 17:31.06 | JeffM | and put the screen you want 3d on above the other |
| 17:31.18 | JeffM | then adust your radar size tso that it comes out close to the border |
| 17:31.19 | ts | Hmm, well I'm only thinking about buying one yet and selling the other..but assuming they would be given I have an ATI card is it a way to go? |
| 17:31.37 | JeffM | ATI dosn't do a span IIRC |
| 17:31.47 | JeffM | it has to be treated as one display to the OS |
| 17:33.08 | ts | Ok, I would sell the other display then..no point in having one display perm black or "unused" during playing |
| 17:33.19 | JeffM | run in a window |
| 17:33.26 | JeffM | then you can have other stuff on that display |
| 17:33.33 | TheRedBaron | yup :) |
| 17:33.51 | ts | Heh but the menu bar at top sucks |
| 17:34.06 | JeffM | then don't run a mac :) |
| 17:34.15 | JeffM | oh the window caption? |
| 17:34.29 | JeffM | hack out a borderless window :) |
| 17:35.14 | ts | I can move my mouse at menu bar in windowed mode and when I click in the menus then BZFlag freezes until I stop navigating in menus. |
| 17:35.29 | JeffM | you can confine the mouse to the window now |
| 17:35.46 | JeffM | but hey this all sounds like good features to add if there are otherproblems |
| 17:35.58 | JeffM | I'd like to see a "fullscreen borderless window" option |
| 17:36.03 | JeffM | that dosn't try to change the screen res |
| 17:36.15 | JeffM | so it looks fullscreen on one display but dosn't blank out the other |
| 17:36.36 | ts | Uh...I don't think Mac OS X even supports borderless windows. |
| 17:38.58 | bugQ | sure it does. |
| 17:40.17 | bugQ | not sure how easy it is, but http://niceplayer.sourceforge.net/ does it nicely |
| 17:46.10 | JeffM | yeah it's a window type |
| 17:46.18 | JeffM | fullscreen acutualy uses it |
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| 17:57.04 | spldart | Why do I always forget that the apache access logs are in /var/logs and instead go looking in /etc/apache?!?! :-\ [/rhetorical] |
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| 18:03.27 | TheRedBaron | spldart: my access logs are in /etc/apache |
| 18:04.35 | TheRedBaron | its configurable in httpd.conf :) |
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| 18:10.46 | spldart | ? |
| 18:10.54 | spldart | ah |
| 18:10.55 | spldart | heh |
| 18:11.13 | spldart | I'm not sure if I should do that. I'm trying not to think like Windows anymore |
| 18:11.43 | spldart | Then again.. My disgust of MS products may be clouding my judgment :) |
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| 19:39.23 | scgtrp | i'm getting weird drawing problems on my i845g card: http://scgtrp.dyndns.org/~mike/bzfi0002.png |
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| 19:39.55 | scgtrp | it just started happening yesterday, and seems to start happening spontaneously |
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| 19:41.31 | epyon | I get a ton of these on gcc : warning: deprecated conversion from string constant to âchar*â |
| 19:41.43 | epyon | Also in code that was warning free a year ago :/ |
| 19:41.52 | epyon | Should something be done about it? |
| 19:42.36 | Erroneous | yes |
| 19:42.56 | Erroneous | make sure you're all const-correct |
| 19:43.35 | epyon | Errr, I get those when I pass a "text" to a function that takes char*... |
| 19:43.42 | Erroneous | yes |
| 19:43.45 | Wyk3d | test is const char* |
| 19:43.48 | JeffM | epyon, yeah it should take a const char |
| 19:43.48 | Erroneous | that function should probably take const char* |
| 19:43.49 | epyon | oh, you mean making it take const char* would fix the problem? |
| 19:43.53 | Erroneous | yeah |
| 19:43.58 | epyon | brb then |
| 19:43.59 | JeffM | std::strings dont' convert to char, they convert to const char* |
| 19:44.05 | JeffM | since they are... const |
| 19:44.26 | scgtrp | "foo" is a const char* already. not a std::string |
| 19:44.28 | Erroneous | I believe epyon is passing string literals |
| 19:44.38 | Erroneous | but string literals are still const |
| 19:44.39 | JeffM | then double eww |
| 19:44.41 | JeffM | yeah |
| 19:44.49 | JeffM | super const |
| 19:45.29 | Erroneous | treating string literals as modifyable is definitely not safe. that's why something should be done about it :) |
| 20:00.41 | epyon | duh, I changed char* to const char* and I get : |
| 20:00.45 | epyon | /home/epyon/projects/bzwgen/src/BZWGeneratorStandalone.cxx:65: undefined reference to `BZWGenerator::getOptionS(std::basic_string<char, std::char_traits<char>, std::allocator<char> >&, char*, char*) |
| 20:01.13 | epyon | at line getOptionS( outstr, "f", "blah" ) |
| 20:01.18 | Erroneous | don't forget to change it in the header too |
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| 20:02.46 | epyon | I did :( |
| 20:02.55 | epyon | that is I didn't forget :/ |
| 20:04.52 | epyon | any idea why this happened? |
| 20:05.36 | Erroneous | it's trying to link against a copy that does not have the const specifier |
| 20:05.51 | Erroneous | perhaps you have it multiply defined? |
| 20:06.26 | epyon | nope :/ |
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| 20:10.30 | Erroneous | so you changed both BZWGenerator.cxx:109 and BZWGenerator.h:74, and you get that error? |
| 20:12.46 | epyon | yes |
| 20:12.53 | epyon | i can commit so you see |
| 20:13.12 | Erroneous | 'cause it works for me, here |
| 20:13.18 | Erroneous | tried make clean? |
| 20:13.55 | epyon | yep :( |
| 20:16.31 | epyon | http://bzflag.pastebin.ca/1093132 |
| 20:18.25 | Erroneous | epyon: your build log does not show BZWGeneratorStandalone.cxx being compiled |
| 20:18.31 | Erroneous | so you're linking against an old copy of it |
| 20:18.34 | Erroneous | makefile problem maybe? |
| 20:18.53 | epyon | oh |
| 20:18.57 | epyon | lemme take a look |
| 20:24.11 | Erroneous | not sure why it's not building, but make clean is certainly not removing it |
| 20:27.09 | epyon | got it |
| 20:27.17 | epyon | make clean didn't clean all files |
| 20:27.26 | epyon | fixed |
| 20:27.52 | epyon | yet I still can't bring -Wall back because yacc generates code that has a warning :/ |
| 20:29.36 | CIA-36 | BZFlag: 03chaos-dev * r18292 10/trunk/bzwgen/ (4 files in 3 dirs): Fixed all gcc warnings except the ones generated by yacc |
| 20:29.55 | Erroneous | could always update your copy of yacc/bison |
| 20:32.39 | Lukstr | I think most recent yacc produces warnings iirc |
| 20:32.51 | Lukstr | er, bison |
| 20:32.52 | Lukstr | that is |
| 20:33.09 | Erroneous | so submit a patch for it |
| 20:33.29 | Erroneous | it's not gonna magically fix itself :) |
| 20:34.26 | epyon | checked it's recent |
| 20:34.55 | epyon | Erroneous: if I'd have time for that I'd do that, but I guess we all agree that I should be spending my time on other things now ;] |
| 20:35.06 | Erroneous | yeah, probably ture |
| 20:35.11 | Erroneous | for both of you :) |
| 20:35.20 | Lukstr | :p |
| 20:35.27 | epyon | also I still feel very uncomfortable in linux as a dev environment :/ |
| 20:35.59 | Erroneous | only way to get more comfortable is to spend time in it |
| 20:36.38 | epyon | thats what I'm doing |
| 20:37.57 | epyon | the thing that makes me giggle though is having a more eye-candish and shiny window manager than Windows Vista on a PC that is 5 years old, and still having it work faster than Vista :P |
| 20:38.46 | epyon | thinks compiz kicks @ss. |
| 20:38.46 | Lukstr | what a waste of cycles |
| 20:38.46 | Erroneous | indeed |
| 20:38.46 | Erroneous | to both of you :P |
| 20:39.24 | Erroneous | had compositing turned on on his linux box here, but turned it off for performance reasons |
| 20:39.34 | Lukstr | yes |
| 20:39.41 | epyon | hey, I recently discovered that I'm not a programmer so I have the right to waste cycles :P |
| 20:39.43 | Erroneous | poor rage128 couldn't keep up :) |
| 20:39.48 | Lukstr | I used to have a desktop manager on my linux box, but turned IT off for performance reasons :) |
| 20:41.03 | epyon | has no problems with performance on this box |
| 20:41.30 | Lukstr | I'm not a fan of the mouse these days |
| 20:42.28 | Lukstr | Speaking of warnings, a note to spirit/boost (mainly spirit): the -pedantic flag is unsupported |
| 20:42.37 | Erroneous | our product is not usable without a mouse, so I kinda need a working WM and such |
| 20:42.48 | Lukstr | true true |
| 20:42.53 | Lukstr | I haven't run bzflag in ages |
| 20:43.06 | Erroneous | bzflag works fine mouseless |
| 20:43.07 | Lukstr | wait |
| 20:43.08 | Lukstr | yeah |
| 20:43.10 | Lukstr | d'oh |
| 20:43.16 | epyon | Lukstr: I may like eyecandy desktops, but (checks) the programs currently running on my desktop are : Konsole (vim), Konsole (irssi), Konsole (ekg2), Konsole (links), Konsole (alsaplayer) :P |
| 20:43.19 | Lukstr | what product is that? full-time? |
| 20:43.32 | Erroneous | gibbscam |
| 20:43.42 | Lukstr | yeah, I use Windows as my desktop :) |
| 20:44.18 | Erroneous | it's a windows product. mostly works in wine though, these days |
| 20:44.19 | epyon | is a fan of text-mode, as long as it's in a transparent console over a nice image :P |
| 20:45.02 | Lukstr | I knew that, site looks familiar, I suspect jeffm linked me ages ago |
| 20:45.26 | epyon | wishes he'd be smart enough to get identifier aoutocompletion working on vim :( |
| 20:46.00 | JeffM | huh? |
| 20:46.10 | Lukstr | gibbscam? |
| 20:46.19 | JeffM | ahh |
| 20:46.23 | JeffM | yeah that's where we work |
| 20:47.02 | Lukstr | epyon: Vim 7? type <C-x> <C-o> on a half-typed identifier |
| 20:47.12 | Erroneous | epyon: control-p doesn't do it for you? |
| 20:47.14 | JeffM | where I can't get them to understand that math is right |
| 20:47.50 | epyon | uh, I meant autosuggestion |
| 20:48.01 | epyon | the cscope thingie -_- |
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| 20:49.50 | epyon | yh, wrong key sequence |
| 20:50.14 | Lukstr | epyon: not sure if you can do that without a plugin |
| 20:50.20 | Lukstr | you're talking Intellisense? |
| 20:50.36 | JeffM | there are emacs things that do what intelesense does |
| 20:53.02 | Lukstr | <ctrl-x> <ctrl-o> is what he wants I think |
| 20:53.09 | Lukstr | you might have to enable it in .vimrc somehow |
| 20:53.23 | Lukstr | I never use it though |
| 20:57.49 | Lukstr | oh I think you need to generate ctags |
| 21:02.18 | epyon | JeffM: it's too late for me, I already got recriuted to the infernal vim order |
| 21:02.35 | epyon | Lukstr: I've got the plugin installed, but can't get it to work |
| 21:02.49 | epyon | e.g. it works, but can't find the database |
| 21:02.51 | Lukstr | omni complete w/vim 7 requires ctags |
| 21:03.09 | Lukstr | getting ctags to auto-update with file writes requires some hackery |
| 21:03.17 | Lukstr | prepare to write some scripts |
| 21:04.03 | JeffM | epyon, actualy I prefer vim to emacs |
| 21:04.10 | JeffM | tho for simple edits I use nano |
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| 22:33.57 | bz43 | anyone know how to contact destruction boy? |
| 22:34.23 | donny_baker | PM on the forums? |
| 22:34.43 | donny_baker | Private Message ^^ |
| 22:34.55 | bz43 | anyone know how to contact destruction boy? |
| 22:35.01 | donny_baker | PM on the forums? |
| 22:35.16 | donny_baker | that is the best your going to get |
| 22:35.47 | donny_baker | even if i had his e-mail or MSN or whatever... i wouldn't give it to just anyone |
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| 23:00.05 | bugQ | it looks like the issue with ld can be fixed with: /System/Library/Frameworks/OpenGL.framework/Versions/A/Libraries/libGL.dylib:/System/Library/Frameworks/OpenGL.framework/Versions/A/Libraries/libGL.dylib |
| 23:00.11 | bugQ | but I dunno where to put that |
| 23:01.02 | bugQ | uh, that is, -dylib_file $blah:$blah |
| 23:01.10 | bugQ | where blah=that long path |
| 23:02.47 | bugQ | for mac only, of course |
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| 23:08.14 | bugQ | someone else just symlinked /usr/X11/lib/libGL.dylib to that location, which is what I've done for now |
| 23:08.48 | bugQ | (this is coming from various fink/macports projects that had the same problem) |
| 23:09.22 | Thumper_ | bugQ: sorry I don't know anything about setup on a Mac |
| 23:10.12 | Thumper_ | and 'the issue with ld' ? what issue? |
| 23:10.18 | bugQ | well, I have a working setup now, I just hoped I could get it done the right way |
| 23:10.31 | bugQ | ld: cycle in dylib re-exports with /usr/X11/lib/libGL.dylib |
| 23:11.06 | Thumper_ | so you have something that works now? |
| 23:11.11 | bugQ | ya |
| 23:11.14 | Thumper_ | ok good :) |
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