| 00:00.13 | spldart | and I can run the file with that optional method and everything is cool |
| 00:00.18 | JBdiGriz | /bin/sh autogen.sh also works? |
| 00:00.35 | spldart | yes totally |
| 00:00.48 | mcintyem | Just for fun chmod 777 autogen.sh and run it? |
| 00:00.56 | spldart | and just plain ./autogen.sh still works in trunk checkout too weird |
| 00:01.21 | spldart | no change |
| 00:01.28 | mcintyem | sudo ./autogen.sh ? |
| 00:01.56 | spldart | super user can't ./auto* either |
| 00:02.07 | mcintyem | is stumped. |
| 00:02.14 | spldart | me too |
| 00:02.46 | spldart | I'm tempted to reboot this machine to debian and retry a checkout of 2_0branch and see if it builds fine there |
| 00:03.09 | blast007 | spldart: could you try a checkout to a new directory? |
| 00:03.19 | spldart | I can |
| 00:03.59 | spldart | working |
| 00:04.23 | JBdiGriz | What are the directory permissions on the working and non-working versions? |
| 00:04.41 | spldart | should be identitical |
| 00:04.57 | JBdiGriz | Yes they should be, but if they are not, it could be a clue. |
| 00:06.08 | spldart | Ok.. trunk that works is user root. branch that normally works but doesn't now user user |
| 00:06.11 | JBdiGriz | Another thing to try would be the difference between ./autogen.sh --verbose and sh autogen.sh --verbose |
| 00:06.45 | spldart | Ok.. new checkout download complete.. |
| 00:06.59 | spldart | same problem |
| 00:07.10 | blast007 | odd |
| 00:07.46 | spldart | --verbose gives me no added information |
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| 00:07.58 | spldart | for the failed method |
| 00:08.07 | AAA_awright | blast007: My global login thing works pretty well, at least when on the same computer |
| 00:08.21 | blast007 | ;) |
| 00:08.35 | blast007 | spldart: I'm going to try here. Running a checkout right now' |
| 00:08.46 | blast007 | s/'/./ |
| 00:09.26 | spldart | I imagine it will work for yah since I can build here on trunk with ./autogen.sh and I can build on branch with /bin/sh autogen.sh or whateva |
| 00:09.33 | spldart | this is some local issue methinks |
| 00:10.23 | EmperorLOLZORZ | <PROTECTED> |
| 00:10.49 | Lukstr | what's the problem? running the autogen script? |
| 00:11.06 | spldart | running it a certain way |
| 00:11.26 | JBdiGriz | It works when he does an "sh autogen.sh", but he gets a bad interpreter error from "./autogen.sh" |
| 00:11.35 | mcintyem | how about diff autogen.sh /path/to/trunk/autogen.sh | head |
| 00:11.36 | Lukstr | try "source autogen.sh" |
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| 00:11.51 | blast007 | works here with just ./autogen.sh |
| 00:12.00 | blast007 | from checkout of v2_0branch |
| 00:12.09 | spldart | This is freaky |
| 00:12.19 | spldart | trunk is fine... branch is not.. it's a local problem |
| 00:12.32 | Lukstr | spldart: does source work? |
| 00:12.43 | spldart | and it's just calling the autogen method that effects it |
| 00:13.13 | spldart | crap! ./configure isn't working either |
| 00:13.15 | mcintyem | spldart: what does diff say? |
| 00:13.39 | spldart | Don't worry about it anymore |
| 00:13.56 | spldart | I'm goin to set this problem aside. I can work around it |
| 00:14.05 | spldart | Thanks all |
| 00:14.20 | Lukstr | hm |
| 00:14.37 | blast007 | are trunk and v2_0branch located on the same partition? |
| 00:14.55 | spldart | I moved to another partition when I started having problems |
| 00:14.59 | spldart | and different directories |
| 00:15.01 | blast007 | "The problem with this situation is that you are trying to run a shell file on a partition for which you have no exec rights. I.e. an USB disk, a CD or DVD or some extended, logical hard disk or network partition." |
| 00:15.15 | blast007 | someone was having the same problem as you |
| 00:15.20 | spldart | Aha! |
| 00:15.26 | blast007 | with some other software, when trying to run the ./configure script |
| 00:15.30 | Lukstr | yeah, it's clearly execution rights related |
| 00:15.38 | blast007 | http://www.fedoraforum.org/forum/archive/index.php/t-19374.html <-- last post |
| 00:15.39 | spldart | wait.... |
| 00:15.53 | spldart | I was able to do other builds on this partition... But not bzflag |
| 00:16.05 | spldart | I built some of my modules on this partition and a kernel |
| 00:16.08 | blast007 | does trunk build from that same partition? |
| 00:16.24 | spldart | havne't tried that combination of variables |
| 00:16.40 | spldart | trunk is in home since I work with it all the time |
| 00:17.03 | spldart | err /home/user |
| 00:17.31 | Lukstr | spldart: what user/group owns the files that won't run? |
| 00:17.41 | spldart | user user |
| 00:18.40 | spldart | snap.. that's it! I'm moving branch into a sub dir with trunk in /home/user/ |
| 00:18.55 | spldart | g++ is having issues exec out of this dir too |
| 00:25.49 | spldart | Fixed.. thanks blast007.. exec rights was the whole issue it would appear |
| 00:25.57 | spldart | PooP! |
| 00:27.34 | blast007 | was it a strange partition? network share? |
| 00:28.27 | spldart | goes to edit his fstab |
| 00:28.33 | spldart | local partition |
| 00:30.17 | spldart | hopefully my next mount wont have this issue |
| 00:31.58 | spldart | I am STUNNED I haven't had this issue before.. I got some linux boxen with 8 hdd's 8-0 |
| 00:40.21 | JeffM | man.. still no epyon? |
| 00:41.30 | mcintyem | What's an epyon? |
| 00:41.36 | blast007 | JeffM: I'm getting close to commiting a fix to WinMain to support double quotes ;) |
| 00:41.39 | JeffM | a person |
| 00:41.41 | mcintyem | :) |
| 00:41.45 | JeffM | blast007, sweet |
| 00:41.56 | JeffM | mcintyem, he too owes me a patch :) |
| 00:42.46 | mcintyem | JeffM: I will send mine this weekend. I have a successful build, and will go searching for a bug to fix tonight/tomorrow. |
| 00:43.05 | JeffM | cool |
| 00:43.19 | JeffM | we can give you some hints if you want |
| 00:43.41 | JeffM | I recall a couple that were not too horible on SF |
| 00:45.11 | JeffM | when I get home I get the joy of the tripple threat debuging to fix my bug :( |
| 00:45.27 | mcintyem | I'm looking at one that is related to skyColor and intepreting "true"/"false" as integers... but I'm not sure if you (as developers) even want to do that. |
| 00:45.41 | JeffM | I'd just ignore it |
| 00:45.52 | JeffM | then set the var back to whatever the real color was set to |
| 00:46.17 | JeffM | if the input is invalid it should be set back to what it was or the default |
| 00:46.26 | JeffM | that's what we do for other items |
| 00:46.34 | blast007 | hmm, guess I hadn't updated my SVN tree |
| 00:46.36 | JeffM | like if you try to set _gravity to "cheeze" |
| 00:47.25 | mcintyem | hehe. Okay, can I assign a bug to myself on SF? |
| 00:47.34 | JeffM | no |
| 00:47.41 | JeffM | just submit the patch it'll be fine |
| 00:48.00 | JeffM | doubt anyone else will do it |
| 00:49.21 | mcintyem | Soudns good. It is bug # 1159274 |
| 00:49.40 | JeffM | just mention that in the patch submsion and all will be well :) |
| 00:54.39 | CIA-32 | BZFlag: 03blast007 * r16960 10/trunk/bzflag/src/bzflag/bzflag.cxx: Fix WinMain so it supports values that are contained inside of double quotes. Does not support escaping double quotes, but we only use double quotes for file paths at this time. |
| 00:55.31 | blast007 | now to get -configdir and -config working right |
| 00:55.39 | JeffM | blast ++ |
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| 00:56.13 | blast007 | I might leave -config to only changing the filename |
| 00:56.22 | blast007 | if they want it somewhere else, they should use -configdir |
| 00:56.27 | JeffM | that is a lot less usefull |
| 00:56.34 | blast007 | why? |
| 00:56.36 | JeffM | do we realy need both |
| 00:56.49 | JeffM | is config swaping common? |
| 00:57.05 | blast007 | unlikely |
| 00:57.17 | JeffM | then configdir does enough |
| 00:57.22 | blast007 | ok |
| 00:57.57 | JeffM | what I'd also like to see is if there is a file called like local.res or something in the data dir, we go and make the config dir in the same dir as the exe |
| 00:58.09 | JeffM | then that means we can do flashdrive stuff |
| 00:59.09 | JeffM | bascily if that file exists it's the same as having -configdir be where the curent exe is |
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| 01:02.16 | blast007 | k |
| 01:04.40 | spldart | That would be very sweet |
| 01:10.24 | blast007 | oh fun, DownloadAccess.txt is created before MyMain/main is called |
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| 01:34.25 | blast007 | JeffM: the DownloadAccess.txt is created before MyMain/main is called, but I have everything else working from the -configdir directory |
| 01:34.36 | JeffM | it is? |
| 01:34.42 | JeffM | is it in a constructor? |
| 01:34.45 | blast007 | static AccessList DownloadAccessList("DownloadAccess.txt", DownloadContent); |
| 01:35.04 | JeffM | we should defer the creation of that till later |
| 01:35.07 | Flash | statics are evil |
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| 01:35.11 | JeffM | make it a pointer and new it |
| 01:35.21 | JeffM | or move the file into a method |
| 01:35.25 | JeffM | or heck, make it a singleton |
| 01:35.31 | JeffM | there can only be one |
| 01:35.35 | JeffM | all would be valid |
| 01:35.49 | Flash | hears bagpipe music |
| 01:35.55 | JeffM | huh? |
| 01:36.02 | mcintyem | LOTR I think? |
| 01:36.21 | Flash | Duncan McLeod, of the Clan McLeod |
| 01:36.41 | mcintyem | The Highlander. |
| 01:36.47 | JeffM | indeed |
| 01:37.17 | Flash | excuse me.... MacLeod (of course!) |
| 01:37.54 | mcintyem | Scottish... Irish... close really. |
| 01:38.14 | JeffM | don't let them hear you say that |
| 01:38.27 | mcintyem | :) Just starting trouble. |
| 01:38.42 | Flash | http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=JVl09aKmsW8 |
| 01:42.09 | JeffM | blast007, singleton wold be good and just use the filename in the access list |
| 01:42.27 | JeffM | or just change it to create when it's first used |
| 01:42.39 | blast007 | for now, I'll go with the pointer idea, since that at least works for now |
| 01:42.44 | JeffM | yeah |
| 01:42.52 | JeffM | just be sure to delete it |
| 01:42.58 | blast007 | oh |
| 01:42.59 | blast007 | where? |
| 01:43.06 | JeffM | before we quit |
| 01:43.19 | blast007 | hmm |
| 01:43.35 | JeffM | it's jsut nice to do so |
| 01:43.40 | mcintyem | JeffM what file/method contains code that sets values for StateDatabase (BZDB) entries? I'm searching for the code that makes sure BZDB_GRAVITY is a float. |
| 01:44.06 | JeffM | mcintyem, that one is probalby in cache |
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| 01:44.29 | JeffM | let me try to rmember the name of the verifiers |
| 01:44.38 | JeffM | it's like VerifyPositiveFloat or something |
| 01:44.47 | JeffM | nonZEro may be anotehr term to search for |
| 01:44.51 | JeffM | looks for code |
| 01:45.45 | mcintyem | getGoodNonZeroValue? |
| 01:45.50 | JeffM | sure |
| 01:46.00 | JeffM | that done in the bzdb cache? |
| 01:46.06 | mcintyem | :149 in Cache like you sais. |
| 01:46.07 | mcintyem | *said |
| 01:46.13 | JeffM | yeah that won't work for your sky then |
| 01:46.16 | JeffM | it's not cached |
| 01:46.20 | JeffM | you'll have to check it when it's used |
| 01:46.30 | JeffM | unless we have a callback for it |
| 01:48.04 | JeffM | yeah it does use a callback for when it changes |
| 01:49.47 | JeffM | you probalby want to fix it in the generic color parser |
| 01:49.55 | JeffM | gotta go home |
| 01:54.16 | mcintyem | When I type /set _variable value on the command line in the client who processes that? |
| 01:54.25 | mcintyem | (who = which method/file) |
| 01:57.47 | CIA-32 | BZFlag: 03blast007 * r16961 10/trunk/bzflag/src/ (3 files in 2 dirs): |
| 01:57.47 | CIA-32 | BZFlag: Still needs a bit of work, but -configdir actually works now. |
| 01:57.47 | CIA-32 | BZFlag: Change DownloadAccessList to be a pointer for now. |
| 01:57.47 | CIA-32 | BZFlag: The -config option has been removed. |
| 01:57.47 | CIA-32 | BZFlag: Still need to do a bit of cleanup. |
| 01:58.30 | blast007 | mcintyem: the server reads the user's message, processes that, and sends out an update to the clients |
| 01:58.49 | blast007 | clamping/validation should be done the server |
| 01:59.33 | blast007 | (at least that's my thought) |
| 02:00.07 | blast007 | I don't see a reason for the client to do checks as well, since the server should be trusted not to send bad values |
| 02:03.21 | mcintyem | blast007: thanks! good hint. |
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| 02:03.32 | blast007 | hello mayB |
| 02:03.42 | mayB | hi ..................... :) |
| 02:03.56 | mayB | whats up? |
| 02:04.29 | blast007 | not much |
| 02:06.41 | mayB | wheres jeff .... not online today |
| 02:06.55 | blast007 | he's driving home |
| 02:07.02 | blast007 | signed off about 15 minutes ago |
| 02:07.13 | mayB | ohhk ... |
| 02:07.25 | blast007 | anything I can help you with? |
| 02:08.00 | mayB | no whenever i am used to seeing jeff online everytime ... so just wondering where is his |
| 02:08.08 | blast007 | k |
| 02:09.29 | mayB | did u get a chance to look at the patch .... i submitted .... any comments |
| 02:10.03 | DTRemenak | hm, phpbb 3.0.1 was released today |
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| 02:13.25 | blast007 | JeffM: did you mean make the AccessList class a singleton, or the Downloads class? |
| 02:13.44 | JeffM | whatever you need to make a singleton :) |
| 02:14.28 | blast007 | mayB: no, haven't had a chance. Did you see brlcad's comment? |
| 02:14.42 | blast007 | JeffM: well, the AccessList is the one giving me trouble |
| 02:14.49 | blast007 | however, that *could* be used for other stuff |
| 02:15.01 | JeffM | blast007: as in more then one may exist |
| 02:15.11 | JeffM | or more uses of that class? |
| 02:15.25 | blast007 | more than one |
| 02:15.28 | JeffM | ahh |
| 02:15.34 | JeffM | pointers for everyone! |
| 02:15.35 | blast007 | like restricting a player to only joining specific game servers |
| 02:15.48 | mayB | blast007: brlcad had commented on it in the channel ... |
| 02:16.00 | blast007 | mayB: he has a comment on the patch tracker |
| 02:16.11 | blast007 | and it seems you have not yet acted on his comment |
| 02:16.31 | mayB | ya ... i didnt see the patch tracker |
| 02:18.38 | JeffM | bzfs needs regex right? |
| 02:20.38 | CIA-32 | BZFlag: 03JeffM2501 * r16962 10/trunk/bzflag/MSVC/VC8/bzflag.sln: bzfs is dependent on regex and libcurl. |
| 02:21.01 | CIA-32 | BZFlag: 03JeffM2501 * r16963 10/trunk/bzflag/MSVC/VC8/bzfs.sln: solution for bzfs only, helps with the debugin |
| 02:22.22 | Flash | JeffM: either you didn't go home, or you live pretty close! |
| 02:22.31 | JeffM | 10 min about |
| 02:22.36 | mcintyem | Or he travels at light speed. |
| 02:22.39 | JeffM | tho I was eating |
| 02:22.44 | JeffM | across from work |
| 02:22.52 | Flash | sighs |
| 02:23.00 | Flash | 30 mile commute |
| 02:23.17 | Flash | MAYBE I could do it in 10 mins, with no traffic ;-) |
| 02:26.35 | spldart | 12..6 miles here |
| 02:27.12 | blast007 | Flash: you could average 180MPH? ;) |
| 02:27.54 | blast007 | then again, your name *is* Flash |
| 02:28.13 | JeffM | highly doubts that he has saved every one of us. |
| 02:28.19 | JeffM | nor that he can do the impossible |
| 02:29.10 | mayB | i got a comment saying "file headers do not conform to our existing conventions" what does this mean exactly |
| 02:29.37 | blast007 | it doesn't match how we do things |
| 02:29.38 | mayB | should i keep the copyright stuff the same way as in other files |
| 02:29.50 | blast007 | yeah, make it looks like the other files |
| 02:30.00 | JeffM | mayB: all of it shoudl look like other files |
| 02:30.06 | mcintyem | When I send /set _varabile value to the server, way down the line the function that actually does the setting is called by "index->second.func" where, I think, index is a Commands iterator, and func is a CommandFunction, which is a function that takes a string, ArgList, and bool pointer for an error... |
| 02:30.09 | JeffM | have you read the DEVINFO file? |
| 02:30.26 | mcintyem | but... where is that func set? |
| 02:30.59 | JeffM | mcintyem: the rendere installs a callback function for the name |
| 02:31.26 | mayB | JeffM: the devinfo question was for me? |
| 02:31.35 | blast007 | mayB: yeah |
| 02:31.38 | JeffM | yep |
| 02:31.48 | mayB | nope .... |
| 02:31.57 | JeffM | you should do so |
| 02:32.02 | JeffM | it has how we do things |
| 02:32.25 | JeffM | [/hypocite] |
| 02:32.29 | JeffM | ;) |
| 02:32.32 | mayB | ok fine ..... |
| 02:32.46 | JeffM | but yeah basicly make your files match the others |
| 02:33.09 | JeffM | that's kinda what the test of doing a patch is about, to see if you can follow our system, use svn, etc.. |
| 02:33.49 | mayB | no i followed the other stuff properly .... but got confused about the coyright part at the start of the file |
| 02:33.55 | JeffM | ahh |
| 02:34.17 | JeffM | I always just start any new file by copying an old one and removing the middle bit :) |
| 02:34.21 | JeffM | makes it easy |
| 02:34.32 | mayB | :) |
| 02:34.34 | JeffM | then I write a lot of code that gets me yelled at |
| 02:34.38 | JeffM | then I commit it |
| 02:35.25 | mayB | JeffM: you must be like ... champ at bzflag ? |
| 02:35.49 | JeffM | no |
| 02:36.03 | JeffM | I'm just stuborn |
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| 02:36.31 | JeffM | tho I think right now I only do one big thing that is against devinfo |
| 02:36.39 | JeffM | thanks to DTRemenak |
| 02:36.43 | mayB | wat? |
| 02:36.59 | JeffM | put my { on lines by themselves |
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| 02:38.47 | mayB | you mean on the same line not the next |
| 02:38.58 | JeffM | I mean on the next line, not the same |
| 02:39.06 | JeffM | bzflag standard is; |
| 02:39.13 | JeffM | if (x==y){ |
| 02:39.16 | JeffM | not; |
| 02:39.21 | JeffM | if (x==y) |
| 02:39.23 | JeffM | { |
| 02:39.29 | mayB | i personally dont like this style |
| 02:39.35 | mayB | same line |
| 02:39.47 | JeffM | well thats part of open source, working with other people's code |
| 02:39.59 | JeffM | I don't like 8/2 tabbing but I deal :) |
| 02:40.40 | mayB | who decides these thing man................ |
| 02:40.52 | JeffM | started with CRS |
| 02:40.53 | mayB | they shud take a vote or something of that sort |
| 02:40.54 | JeffM | then Tim |
| 02:40.59 | JeffM | who is "they"? |
| 02:41.07 | JeffM | bzflag is not a democracy |
| 02:41.17 | mayB | the guys who decide |
| 02:41.19 | Mets | JeffM: does 2.1.14 alpha work with branch? |
| 02:41.20 | JeffM | at present it is the way it is because all the code is that way |
| 02:41.25 | JeffM | Mets: god no |
| 02:41.30 | Mets | lol |
| 02:41.39 | Mets | just curious, does it work with anything at all |
| 02:41.51 | JeffM | Mets: itself |
| 02:41.53 | JeffM | it's very very very old |
| 02:42.02 | JeffM | current trunk version is 2.99.2 |
| 02:42.08 | Mets | oh gosh |
| 02:42.17 | JeffM | we had a number change inbetween |
| 02:42.27 | JeffM | next version will be 3.0 not 2.2 |
| 02:42.44 | Mets | I just assumed everything from 2.0.x upstream was compatible |
| 02:42.55 | JeffM | in the new naming system yes |
| 02:43.05 | JeffM | 3.1.x will be compatable with 3.0 |
| 02:43.11 | Mets | ah, k |
| 02:43.14 | JeffM | 2.1.x are bastard children |
| 02:43.29 | JeffM | the 2.x.x line is basicly dead |
| 02:43.38 | Mets | are the precompiled branch versions anywhere for windows? |
| 02:43.42 | JeffM | no more 2.0.0 compatable versions |
| 02:43.44 | mcintyem | Seems to me that the same-line { started with Java programmers. I was taught to put in on the next line always, and then there was Java, and "they" (the collective Java folks) put it on the same line. |
| 02:43.47 | JeffM | Mets: sure sourceforge |
| 02:43.49 | JeffM | 2.0.10 |
| 02:44.08 | Mets | err, sorry, any 2.99 versions |
| 02:44.13 | JeffM | no |
| 02:44.20 | JeffM | we don't do binary's for dev versions |
| 02:44.29 | JeffM | we will when testing starts |
| 02:44.53 | Mets | alrighty, i'm compiling the latest branch on linux right now, just wanted to play around with it for the night |
| 02:45.10 | BulletCatcher | mcintyem: same-line { predates Java by years |
| 02:45.32 | Mets | but I haven't compiled it on windows and I heard it's not the easiest task |
| 02:46.34 | JeffM | Mets: 2.0.11 is basicly the same as 2.0.10 |
| 02:47.28 | mayB | how does the dev versions relate to 2.0.x |
| 02:47.30 | mayB | ? |
| 02:47.47 | Mets | yeah I'm just looking at testing out the new version, just wanted something to do for the evening :p |
| 02:47.55 | mcintyem | What can I set to get a lot of clouds? |
| 02:48.08 | mcintyem | Or is that even settable? |
| 02:50.36 | mcintyem | sighs. |
| 02:50.52 | JeffM | they should be on all the time |
| 02:50.58 | JeffM | but you can't set density or anything |
| 02:51.12 | mcintyem | JeffM: So... that bug I was looking at was from somebody running 2.0.1, and it isn't reproducable in 2.0.10 or 2.99.x |
| 02:51.26 | JeffM | that sucks |
| 02:51.48 | JeffM | you can just do a simple change for your patch |
| 02:51.50 | JeffM | anythign really |
| 02:52.10 | JeffM | I do know a bug on the tracker that has like CR vs LF isn't happy |
| 02:52.12 | JeffM | that should be easy |
| 02:52.27 | JeffM | we just want to make sure you can use our tools, etc.. |
| 02:53.36 | mcintyem | Ha. Yeah. But, I have a newfound realization for the path a command takes through the code! So, I can submit a patch to that even though it is assigned to Tim? |
| 02:53.54 | L4m3r | chuckles |
| 02:54.06 | JeffM | sure |
| 02:54.11 | Flash | decks |
| 02:54.12 | mcintyem | thinks that mustive been a newbie question. |
| 02:54.19 | JeffM | Asigned to Tim means "never be fixed" ;) |
| 02:54.25 | JeffM | we don't actualy do assignments |
| 02:54.29 | mcintyem | :) Ah. |
| 02:54.30 | JeffM | he's jsut the default for a lot of em |
| 02:54.40 | Flash | decks |
| 02:55.03 | spldart | hrm... oh yeah.. proto change |
| 02:55.10 | JeffM | indeed |
| 02:55.14 | JeffM | I have to update mirkwood |
| 02:56.47 | spldart | is building now |
| 02:56.56 | Flash | oooh. lots of patches while I was gone |
| 02:57.26 | Flash | rebuilds too |
| 02:58.23 | JeffM | patches? |
| 02:58.39 | Flash | or not. I did svn up and was surprised at how much changed |
| 02:58.43 | Flash | since Wednesday |
| 02:58.47 | JeffM | those are commits |
| 02:58.49 | JeffM | not patches |
| 02:58.50 | spldart | alot of that was direct |
| 02:58.54 | spldart | err yeah |
| 02:58.58 | Flash | excuse my improper language |
| 02:59.18 | spldart | BZFlag is moving faster and it's exciting :-D |
| 03:00.00 | Flash | one of these days, I'll have to run a server so I can test server-side stuff |
| 03:00.24 | spldart | It has it's ups and downs |
| 03:00.26 | mayB | JeffM: is there any way i can create my world file specifyin ...... which i can use with my test sever |
| 03:00.39 | JeffM | huh? |
| 03:00.44 | JeffM | you want to use a map? |
| 03:00.48 | mayB | ya |
| 03:00.50 | JeffM | -world |
| 03:01.06 | JeffM | -world "the/path/to/your/map" |
| 03:01.14 | JeffM | or are you using the in game menu? |
| 03:01.19 | mayB | but how do i create a map file? |
| 03:01.22 | Flash | watches the CPU meters on his dual-core bouncing |
| 03:01.25 | JeffM | it's a text file |
| 03:01.36 | JeffM | there are many maps on the fourms |
| 03:01.46 | JeffM | making maps is a complex subject |
| 03:01.50 | mayB | basically i need a map which has only mesh obstacles |
| 03:01.51 | JeffM | our wiki has lots of info |
| 03:02.10 | JeffM | mayB: I'd get one from the fourms |
| 03:02.23 | spldart | is amazed how well his old dual processor keeps up still :) |
| 03:03.34 | mayB | ohhk thanks .... |
| 03:03.36 | mayB | :) |
| 03:03.52 | mayB | gtg ... home ... its pouring here |
| 03:04.13 | spldart | mayB I just found a map I liked alot.. asked the author if I could use it.. then hosted it.. I then started modifying it and tinkering to make it unique. Eventually graduating to creating complete maps. |
| 03:04.24 | spldart | cyah mayB |
| 03:05.22 | mayB | spldart: cool ... from the forums? |
| 03:05.44 | Lukstr | waves |
| 03:06.18 | spldart | I played the game.. ran across an early LouMan map.. Asked him for permission to play with it and host it.. He was cool. And then I started modifying it and learning how it works so on and so forth |
| 03:06.39 | spldart | That was years now.. His timetrials map |
| 03:06.50 | mayB | ohhk .. |
| 03:06.54 | spldart | hosted that sucker on windows 98se hehehe |
| 03:07.01 | mayB | hahaha :) |
| 03:07.27 | spldart | I had XP but the machien I dedicated for hosting web and game was to slow for xp |
| 03:07.38 | spldart | Now all hosting is linux |
| 03:07.54 | mayB | linux .................. is THE OS ...... |
| 03:07.55 | spldart | 'for me |
| 03:08.06 | spldart | That's relative |
| 03:08.15 | Lukstr | s/THE/an/ |
| 03:08.22 | spldart | all my multi purpose machines are dual boot |
| 03:08.26 | spldart | All my servers are linux |
| 03:09.00 | mayB | i only use linux ............ got rid of windows long time back .... but for regular use only |
| 03:09.33 | JeffM | what's with the ...........? |
| 03:09.35 | spldart | I have a few reasons for retaining windows.. All the most powerful video edit/encoders are windoze only |
| 03:10.11 | spldart | He's got a more advanced version of my 'periods' syndrome .. |
| 03:10.17 | spldart | hehe |
| 03:10.18 | spldart | sry |
| 03:11.05 | mayB | hehehe |
| 03:11.33 | mayB | there are very few games supported in linux .... that i know of |
| 03:11.49 | spldart | Windows is also still the majority os out there thus the vast majority of apps are only release for it.. and dosbox and wine only get you so far |
| 03:12.08 | Lukstr | spldart: aye. |
| 03:12.09 | spldart | And I use both |
| 03:12.12 | mcintyem | Microsoft Office is only fully compatible with Windows. |
| 03:12.18 | Lukstr | mcintyem: and macs |
| 03:12.26 | spldart | and open office can sometimes only get you so far |
| 03:12.35 | Lukstr | open office makes me cry |
| 03:12.38 | L4m3r | use wine enough and not having Windows won't bug you much |
| 03:12.42 | spldart | I use it regularly |
| 03:12.53 | mcintyem | I've seen fonts shift and arrows go a little crazy even between Mac/Win versions. |
| 03:12.57 | spldart | Well.. we are getting a little to OT |
| 03:13.02 | mayB | ya ... i have XP on my VM |
| 03:13.07 | L4m3r | lots and lots of wine... |
| 03:13.40 | L4m3r | ...OpenOrifice fills me with the urge to defecate |
| 03:13.44 | mcintyem | Heck, Office on Windows isn't even compatible with itself sometimes (2003 vs 2007) |
| 03:13.51 | spldart | eeeyyyuuuwwaaahh |
| 03:13.54 | spldart | Duude! |
| 03:14.28 | L4m3r | M$ office stayed compatible for a very long time... they had to start using a new format eventually |
| 03:14.44 | Lukstr | at an MS conference I had the choice between a free copy of MS Office 2007 or a small, black binder for paper (it held pens) |
| 03:14.48 | mayB | office is getting worse with very new release ..... too many features |
| 03:14.51 | Lukstr | guess which I picked :) |
| 03:15.04 | L4m3r | mayB: I disagree |
| 03:15.04 | mayB | hahah:) |
| 03:15.06 | mcintyem | The binder? |
| 03:15.09 | Lukstr | oh yes |
| 03:15.39 | mayB | anyways ... gtg ... cya |
| 03:15.41 | mayB | bye |
| 03:15.46 | mcintyem | No, the new office is really quite nice. I like it-- and it looks like ISO is going to standarize on an XML format soon, which will help compatibility. |
| 03:15.56 | Lukstr | bye |
| 03:16.04 | mcintyem | bye |
| 03:16.27 | *** part/#bzflag mayB (n=mayur@lawn-128-61-22-170.lawn.gatech.edu) |
| 03:16.33 | L4m3r | Three things M$ did well... Office, Visual Studio, and Zune :) |
| 03:16.58 | Lukstr | L4m3r: I'm going to resist commenting on that |
| 03:17.17 | L4m3r | hate on Windows all you want |
| 03:17.40 | Lukstr | I'm using it right now |
| 03:17.41 | Lukstr | :P |
| 03:17.48 | L4m3r | but M$ on the whole does ok, I think |
| 03:17.58 | Flash | hates on windows |
| 03:19.03 | L4m3r | ironically, the suckiest thing about Office, VS, and Zune is that all are tied to Windows! |
| 03:26.23 | spldart | yah know.. I'm starting to noticed an occasional hang on trunk client right after it puts up the get token #######3 message |
| 03:29.26 | Flash | I noticed a delay computing some stuff at startup, but I figured it was ok |
| 03:30.36 | Flash | but just now it was downright zippy |
| 03:30.50 | *** join/#bzflag TimRiker (n=timr@rikers.org) |
| 03:30.50 | *** mode/#bzflag [+o TimRiker] by ChanServ |
| 03:31.03 | Flash | I just need someone to play with (hint hint) |
| 03:31.57 | spldart | hehe |
| 03:32.28 | Flash | server communication error.... that can't be good |
| 03:33.16 | spldart | That's par for the course for trunk @ this time |
| 03:33.16 | blast007 | Flash: you probably got kicked |
| 03:33.16 | blast007 | which server were you on? |
| 03:33.20 | Flash | spldart's decks |
| 03:33.26 | JeffM | yeah client dosn't know it was kickd, that's all |
| 03:33.37 | Flash | I just tried to rejoin and it crashed |
| 03:33.50 | blast007 | sounds about right |
| 03:34.06 | Flash | looks like more memory corruption |
| 03:34.33 | JeffM | anyone know how long GM has been busted for? |
| 03:36.14 | spldart | nono |
| 03:36.22 | spldart | you were on trunk ver of my decks? |
| 03:36.25 | spldart | I was configuring |
| 03:36.27 | spldart | just restarted |
| 03:36.32 | spldart | it's up to stay now |
| 03:36.33 | spldart | sry |
| 03:37.18 | spldart | If it happens again then you know it was the typical server comm error for trunk |
| 03:37.33 | spldart | but you may very well got kicked by me |
| 03:37.59 | spldart | I had just uploaded the new bzfs's across ssh and then started fixing up the configuration file for the decks serer |
| 03:38.03 | spldart | server |
| 03:39.05 | DTRemenak | JeffM: since august or earlier of last year |
| 03:40.37 | JeffM | hmm |
| 03:40.59 | JeffM | the packing is working fine.... yet the shots don't go the same dirs on each screen |
| 03:43.50 | CIA-32 | BZFlag: 03JeffM2501 * r16964 10/trunk/bzflag/src/bzfs/bzfsClientMessages.cxx: increment the buffer as we unpack the shot for a GM update so the target is correct. |
| 03:43.58 | JeffM | ok well after that fix the packing is good, but that's not the issue |
| 03:44.17 | JeffM | they acutaly do arc on screen now |
| 03:44.21 | JeffM | just not the right way |
| 03:46.10 | mcintyem | JeffM: I have created a patch for bug 1210029. Should I attach that to the bug or create a patch and reference the bug? |
| 03:46.40 | mcintyem | *created a patch file. |
| 03:47.42 | DTRemenak | iirc I had figured it was probably in april sometime that it broke |
| 03:47.45 | JeffM | patch that refrencs the bug |
| 03:47.54 | JeffM | DTRemenak: that makes sense, stuff changed then |
| 03:51.56 | mcintyem | Is it okay to upload patches created from svn diff? |
| 03:52.02 | JeffM | yes |
| 03:52.05 | JeffM | that's what we want :) |
| 03:52.17 | JeffM | DTRemenak: think it could be witht he synced clock change? |
| 03:52.32 | mcintyem | Good. Just looking through them and looks like many are non-svn diffs. |
| 03:52.44 | DTRemenak | doubt it, but it's possible |
| 03:52.45 | Lukstr | mcintyem: those are the ones that aren't accepted :) |
| 03:52.47 | JeffM | mcintyem: yeah we used to use CVS |
| 03:53.03 | mcintyem | ha. |
| 03:53.06 | mcintyem | okay. |
| 03:53.07 | Lukstr | (well, unaccepted patches :P) |
| 03:53.33 | Lukstr | I still love that patch from the guy who wanted to rewrite your RNG |
| 03:53.39 | Lukstr | rather, who did |
| 03:53.52 | JeffM | he went on to rewrite many things |
| 03:54.37 | DTRemenak | entirely unproductively |
| 03:57.21 | JeffM | DTRemenak: ok I lied |
| 03:57.27 | JeffM | looks like it's fixed now :) |
| 03:57.36 | JeffM | want to run a server? |
| 03:57.54 | Flash | I had the elusive "font manager" crash |
| 03:58.02 | Flash | I think it's really in ftgl |
| 03:58.06 | CIA-32 | BZFlag: 03dtremenak * r16965 10/trunk/bzflag/src/common/TimeKeeper.cxx: fix compile warning on non-windows, non-linux platforms. provide runtime warning if attempting to bind processor affinity on a platform that doesn't support it. |
| 03:58.42 | JeffM | I just killed the laptop like 5 times with a GM |
| 03:58.46 | JeffM | that was locked on |
| 03:58.53 | DTRemenak | cool |
| 03:58.54 | JeffM | I think my inital test I had a bad client build |
| 03:58.56 | DTRemenak | server's still building |
| 03:58.57 | JeffM | on one of em |
| 03:58.58 | JeffM | k |
| 04:00.32 | *** join/#bzflag pacman87 (i=127@resnet-45-192.dorm.utexas.edu) |
| 04:00.44 | JeffM | thinks TimRiker needs a snazzy new bzflag t-shirt |
| 04:02.31 | Lukstr | JeffM: you threw in this bug about MsgFlagUpdate having a possible buffer overrun? |
| 04:02.43 | JeffM | I did not |
| 04:02.47 | JeffM | dtr did |
| 04:02.55 | pacman87 | so i started bzflag from command line without X running, and my whole machine freezes up. however, the bzfs servers i'm running still work fine. anyone know how to fix this? i'm ssh'd in from my roommate's computer |
| 04:02.58 | Lukstr | ah, silly svn |
| 04:03.00 | DTRemenak | I did? |
| 04:03.05 | JeffM | DTRemenak: didn't you? |
| 04:03.09 | JeffM | someone did |
| 04:03.27 | mcintyem | SSH in again and "killall -9 bzflag" |
| 04:03.28 | JeffM | well I wonder if it still happens if we use bufferedNetworkMessages |
| 04:03.38 | Lukstr | JeffM: Ohh my bad, you moved it. |
| 04:03.49 | JeffM | Lukstr: oh I moved all the bugs |
| 04:03.59 | JeffM | I was being evil |
| 04:04.01 | Lukstr | JeffM: curse you! :) |
| 04:04.01 | pacman87 | there's no bzflag process running |
| 04:04.17 | DTRemenak | yeah, you have to blame on an old revision to find out who actually put them in |
| 04:04.19 | JeffM | then bzflag isn't running pacman87 |
| 04:04.27 | Lukstr | DTRemenak: doing that now |
| 04:04.34 | JeffM | or rever it before I sorted |
| 04:04.43 | mcintyem | JeffM: I have submitted my patch and made a note to that effect on the SoC application. Is there anything else I need to do? Also, how many apps did you receive? |
| 04:04.54 | pacman87 | JeffM: right, but it never gave me back my command prompt |
| 04:05.09 | JeffM | pacman87: that dosn't mean bzflag is running ;) |
| 04:05.20 | JeffM | that means your machine's terminal is hozed |
| 04:05.28 | mcintyem | pacman87: maybe it just wrecked your terminal. can you close it and open another ssh |
| 04:05.29 | JeffM | mcintyem: nope that's it. :) |
| 04:05.34 | pacman87 | JeffM: i noticed :( |
| 04:05.41 | pacman87 | no, i was on locally |
| 04:05.45 | JeffM | pacman87: more then likely your video driver went "boom" |
| 04:05.57 | Lukstr | Apparently, it was a 'dbrosius' |
| 04:06.00 | pacman87 | JeffM: i wasnt even runnign X |
| 04:06.00 | JeffM | and threw the card into a wierd mode |
| 04:06.15 | JeffM | pacman87: then how were you running bzflag? |
| 04:06.19 | JeffM | bzflag is the client |
| 04:06.21 | pacman87 | i wasnt |
| 04:06.22 | JeffM | bzfs is the server |
| 04:06.30 | pacman87 | i tab'd completed the wrong one |
| 04:06.33 | pacman87 | and hit enter |
| 04:06.33 | JeffM | ahh |
| 04:06.44 | JeffM | and no bzfs processes are running |
| 04:06.50 | JeffM | mcintyem: 28 |
| 04:06.55 | pacman87 | no, i'd already started the first one |
| 04:07.25 | pacman87 | i've got another ssh session runnign bzadmin there |
| 04:07.47 | Lukstr | who is this dbrosius character and where might I find them? |
| 04:08.04 | DTRemenak | Lukstr: mebigfatguy. and you likely won't find him around. |
| 04:08.14 | JeffM | simplest thing is to test it |
| 04:08.16 | Lukstr | DTRemenak: ah, roger then |
| 04:08.17 | DTRemenak | best thing to do would be to test it |
| 04:08.27 | DTRemenak | yeah, he wrote roger ;) |
| 04:08.27 | JeffM | haha, he made a pun and didn't even know it ;) |
| 04:08.30 | DTRemenak | hehe |
| 04:08.33 | mcintyem | JeffM: and how many can you accept? |
| 04:08.41 | JeffM | mcintyem: we don' know yet |
| 04:08.57 | mcintyem | (not 28) |
| 04:09.01 | JeffM | I doubt we will do more then 5 |
| 04:09.06 | JeffM | we did 4 last year |
| 04:09.16 | Lukstr | (something just flew over my head) I'm being silly, fixing bugs on a windoze box |
| 04:09.34 | mcintyem | Geeze. Any other tips for success? |
| 04:09.35 | pacman87 | any other suggestions, or should i just boot everyone off my server and restart the machine? |
| 04:09.36 | Lukstr | I have the trunk, just no tool to build it with (don't really want to grind it through mingw) |
| 04:09.50 | DTRemenak | vc++ express and msys will both build trunk |
| 04:09.51 | pacman87 | Lukstr: MSVC EE |
| 04:09.54 | JeffM | thank you for the patch mcintyem I've got it noted on our forms so the other mentors will find it too |
| 04:09.59 | Lukstr | pacman87: feel free to post a process list in a pastebin or something |
| 04:10.05 | Lukstr | pacman87: no, never :) |
| 04:10.19 | mcintyem | Great. |
| 04:10.19 | JeffM | mcintyem: keep doing what you are doing |
| 04:10.25 | JeffM | comunication is the key |
| 04:10.26 | JeffM | :) |
| 04:10.37 | mcintyem | :D |
| 04:11.18 | Lukstr | DTRemenak: I was hoping to mess with the code, push the diff to my laptop and see if it worked tomorrow |
| 04:11.40 | pacman87 | http://pastebin.bzflag.bz/m5a17d7c1 |
| 04:12.13 | JeffM | sadly I am not one of the people who will be mentoring your proposal so I can't evaluate it :( |
| 04:12.37 | mcintyem | Am I allowed to know who is? |
| 04:12.50 | mcintyem | So I can make contact and say hello. |
| 04:13.03 | JeffM | oh wait |
| 04:13.04 | JeffM | I am :) |
| 04:13.10 | JeffM | duhh, I read wrong |
| 04:13.14 | JeffM | your server listing right? |
| 04:13.31 | mcintyem | Yeah. |
| 04:13.44 | mcintyem | woo-hoos |
| 04:13.48 | Lukstr | pacman87: heh, that's awesome. |
| 04:13.48 | JeffM | purple rows, yeah I'll be one of the possibles |
| 04:13.56 | JeffM | tho it's not my first choice for primary mentor |
| 04:14.24 | pacman87 | Lukstr: what do you mean? |
| 04:14.53 | mcintyem | What are purple rows? |
| 04:15.21 | JeffM | oh god.. you did old mac format too |
| 04:15.21 | JeffM | wow |
| 04:15.34 | JeffM | I color coded my eval sheet by project |
| 04:15.38 | JeffM | yours is purples :) |
| 04:15.44 | JeffM | we have some dupes |
| 04:16.07 | Lukstr | pacman87: oh, that your shell is smoked |
| 04:16.12 | Lukstr | is the remote session frozen |
| 04:16.15 | Lukstr | or the local session? |
| 04:16.19 | pacman87 | remote is fine |
| 04:16.23 | pacman87 | local is toast |
| 04:16.34 | Lukstr | can you change terminals? |
| 04:16.41 | pacman87 | right now i'm ssh to it to use irssi |
| 04:17.07 | pacman87 | Lukstr: you mean alt+arrow? |
| 04:17.24 | Lukstr | what OS? |
| 04:17.30 | pacman87 | slackware |
| 04:17.43 | mcintyem | Right-o, I'm off to another load of dishes, and a bedtime radio. 'til next time. |
| 04:17.49 | JeffM | haev fun |
| 04:19.16 | Lukstr | pacman87: did you run bzflag as yourself? |
| 04:19.18 | Lukstr | or root |
| 04:19.24 | pacman87 | myself |
| 04:19.51 | Lukstr | can you do a paste of `ps -lA` ? |
| 04:20.45 | pacman87 | http://pastebin.bzflag.bz/m16156e1b |
| 04:21.31 | JeffM | DTRemenak: server still buildin? |
| 04:21.40 | Lukstr | pacman87: X is running..... |
| 04:21.45 | Lukstr | pacman87: tty7 |
| 04:21.48 | Lukstr | apparently? |
| 04:22.12 | pacman87 | yeah, i noticed that too |
| 04:22.18 | Lukstr | maybe kill that |
| 04:22.26 | pacman87 | but 'kill 5396' says no such process |
| 04:22.49 | Lukstr | going to have to sudo kill -9 it |
| 04:24.04 | pacman87 | well, that helped a little |
| 04:24.07 | Lukstr | oh? |
| 04:24.47 | pacman87 | now my local session says "Welcome to Linux 2.6.21.5-smp (tty4) |
| 04:24.52 | Lukstr | yay |
| 04:24.58 | Lukstr | :P |
| 04:24.59 | pacman87 | still unresponsive though |
| 04:25.14 | Lukstr | can you change numlock? |
| 04:25.22 | pacman87 | no |
| 04:25.29 | Lukstr | that's usually not a good sign |
| 04:25.30 | JeffM | reboot |
| 04:25.34 | *** join/#bzflag bz11 (n=415f777c@bz.bzflag.bz) |
| 04:25.41 | Lukstr | points at Jeff's answer. |
| 04:26.10 | Lukstr | I scared him off :( |
| 04:26.13 | pacman87 | can i log myself completely off? |
| 04:26.21 | *** join/#bzflag mayB (n=mayur@c-67-191-238-17.hsd1.ga.comcast.net) |
| 04:26.33 | Lukstr | you want to try and fix this, don't you |
| 04:26.36 | JeffM | sudo shutdown -r now |
| 04:26.39 | JeffM | from the ssh |
| 04:26.52 | JeffM | that will cleanly kill everything and reboot |
| 04:27.00 | pacman87 | well, i learn most from running into problems :) |
| 04:27.09 | JeffM | you hozed your machine |
| 04:27.12 | JeffM | big time |
| 04:27.19 | pacman87 | but i'm thinking there's no recovery |
| 04:27.24 | Lukstr | there probably is |
| 04:27.27 | Lukstr | but it's probably hideous |
| 04:27.31 | pacman87 | lol |
| 04:27.32 | Lukstr | and not worth anyone's time :) |
| 04:27.36 | JeffM | anything else would be the realm of #linux |
| 04:27.42 | *** join/#bzflag Suspect (n=Suspect@68-113-163-117.dhcp.plt.ny.charter.com) |
| 04:27.54 | Lukstr | you could always just start killing PID's until it's fixed |
| 04:27.56 | Lukstr | :) |
| 04:28.01 | pacman87 | lol |
| 04:28.06 | pacman87 | russian roulette? |
| 04:28.08 | Lukstr | exactly |
| 04:28.17 | pacman87 | just leave sshd alone :) |
| 04:28.22 | Lukstr | hehe |
| 04:28.47 | pacman87 | and irssi |
| 04:28.53 | mcintyem | (and don't kill iptables, or "ifdown eth0") |
| 04:29.06 | Lukstr | Amongst scripts my friend had put in my cron (including one to attempt to eject the CD rom, even though the door was closed and locked, which never failed to scare the crap out of me at 3am) one was to randomly pick a PID and try and kill it |
| 04:29.10 | pacman87 | i'm just killing my own user processes |
| 04:29.30 | blast007 | why not just reboot? |
| 04:29.43 | Lukstr | it actually took me a year to figure out what that noise at 3am every day was :( |
| 04:29.50 | pacman87 | cause there's people playing on the server runnign on that box |
| 04:30.06 | blast007 | pacman87: is your x server dead? |
| 04:30.09 | Lukstr | pacman87: can't you give em a quick warning? |
| 04:30.14 | pacman87 | i never started it |
| 04:30.24 | JeffM | blast007: his entire local connection is dead ;) |
| 04:30.44 | JeffM | pacman87: it is a video game, they will live while you reboot |
| 04:30.44 | pacman87 | i'm doing everything via ssh from my roommate's computer |
| 04:31.09 | blast007 | you tried to run bzflag without X running? |
| 04:31.14 | blast007 | that should not have crashed anything |
| 04:31.20 | JeffM | he was runing bzfs |
| 04:31.24 | JeffM | not bzflag |
| 04:31.26 | blast007 | it should have just said "Cannot open display" or something of that nature |
| 04:31.27 | Lukstr | actually, I see a lot of k* processes running |
| 04:31.29 | JeffM | you missed a lot of scrollback |
| 04:31.31 | blast007 | no, he tried to run bzflag |
| 04:31.37 | JeffM | he mistyped he said |
| 04:31.40 | blast007 | "< pacman87> so i started bzflag from command line without X running, and my whole machine freezes up." |
| 04:31.45 | blast007 | oh |
| 04:31.52 | Lukstr | he autocompleted wrong :P |
| 04:31.52 | JeffM | you missed that in scrollback |
| 04:31.56 | JeffM | basicly he's boned |
| 04:31.57 | spldart | hehe |
| 04:31.58 | JeffM | hardcore |
| 04:32.07 | JeffM | like numlock dosn't even work on the keyboard |
| 04:32.25 | Lukstr | probably some deadlock somewhere |
| 04:33.37 | Lukstr | it looks like a bunch of KDE stuff tried to fire too |
| 04:33.45 | blast007 | quick! hot swap the video card! it's the only way! |
| 04:33.51 | blast007 | (to get blue smoke) |
| 04:33.56 | Lukstr | blast007: no! hot swap the CPU |
| 04:34.15 | blast007 | heh, that *would* be hot swap, as in, burn your hand |
| 04:34.18 | Lukstr | :D |
| 04:34.32 | spldart | esp video cards |
| 04:34.34 | pacman87 | Lukstr: re KDE, my X session crashed |
| 04:34.35 | spldart | with agp |
| 04:34.40 | mcintyem | or just hot swap the entire tower |
| 04:34.45 | spldart | those staggered pads for the win |
| 04:34.49 | Lukstr | pacman87: hm? |
| 04:34.55 | mcintyem | (booted from iscsi maybe) |
| 04:35.00 | Lukstr | what are all the k**** processes? |
| 04:35.08 | Lukstr | khpsbpkt |
| 04:35.09 | Lukstr | etc. |
| 04:35.19 | blast007 | kthxbi |
| 04:35.46 | Lukstr | nevermind me :) |
| 04:35.51 | Lukstr | the k* things are good |
| 04:35.53 | Lukstr | very good. |
| 04:36.21 | pacman87 | well, i guess i'm rebooting |
| 04:36.28 | pacman87 | thanks anyway |
| 04:36.33 | Lukstr | no problamo |
| 04:36.44 | pacman87 | and as a warning to everyone else with linux, don't start bzflag without X |
| 04:37.03 | JeffM | you said you were doing bzfs? |
| 04:37.10 | spldart | lol |
| 04:37.22 | pacman87 | i was _trying_ to do bzfs |
| 04:37.24 | JeffM | smells BZ |
| 04:37.26 | JeffM | bz |
| 04:37.28 | JeffM | bs |
| 04:37.29 | JeffM | ahh |
| 04:37.31 | spldart | runs off to try to start an app that calls gl while with no X |
| 04:37.34 | JeffM | yeah that's stupid |
| 04:37.42 | blast007 | I smell BZ too, all over the place in here |
| 04:37.58 | Lukstr | spldart: it should just bomb |
| 04:38.03 | Lukstr | with a stderr |
| 04:38.04 | blast007 | but again, that really shouldn't crash anything... it *should* just error out |
| 04:38.08 | JeffM | you are worried about serving others, you don't play on your server machien :) |
| 04:38.13 | mcintyem | Sorry, it always happens after eating the "Beans" flag. |
| 04:38.20 | pacman87 | well, it's the only one i have |
| 04:38.32 | blast007 | then run X all the time |
| 04:38.38 | pacman87 | i could pick up another box for $20 off a friend |
| 04:38.47 | Lukstr | pacman87: you could uninstall X :D |
| 04:38.56 | blast007 | you could host your server off a Pentium 133 |
| 04:42.44 | spldart | I host apache and several bzfs's and sometimes a bittorrent with the bandwidth turned down off a P 200mmx |
| 04:42.45 | spldart | :) |
| 04:42.55 | spldart | Always 2 seconds to late |
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| 05:02.37 | JeffM | who wants to help me test GM? |
| 05:02.46 | Flash | sure |
| 05:03.02 | Flash | I can crash on termination repeatably now ;-) |
| 05:03.08 | CIA-32 | BZFlag: 03dtremenak * r16966 10/trunk/bzflag/src/bzfs/bzfs.cxx: send the correct buffer's contents when telling kicked players to disconnect |
| 05:03.36 | JeffM | join the Gm test server, anyone |
| 05:03.55 | Lukstr | would if had a trunk build on this box |
| 05:03.55 | pacman87 | JeffM: do i need latest? |
| 05:04.08 | JeffM | you need 0060 proto |
| 05:04.32 | Mets | tm test server? |
| 05:04.38 | Mets | oh trunk |
| 05:04.40 | Mets | sugar |
| 05:05.25 | Mets | would love a 2.99 binary for windows... |
| 05:05.47 | JeffM | you ain't gettin one |
| 05:05.50 | JeffM | we don't do bins |
| 05:06.10 | pacman87 | i've got rev 16819 |
| 05:06.29 | Mets | lol |
| 05:06.57 | Mets | well don't ask people to join :) |
| 05:07.06 | pacman87 | what's the configure line to just build bzflag? |
| 05:07.21 | Mets | i think bzfs always gets built |
| 05:07.25 | CIA-32 | BZFlag: 03dtremenak * r16967 10/trunk/bzflag/src/bzfs/bzfs.cxx: oops, don't break linking (stupid externs) |
| 05:07.27 | DTRemenak | --disable-server |
| 05:07.49 | DTRemenak | and --disable-robots, --disable-bzadmin... |
| 05:09.07 | pacman87 | builds |
| 05:09.34 | JeffM | I think we are good DTRemenak |
| 05:09.40 | JeffM | we are killin each other just fine |
| 05:09.42 | DTRemenak | woot, kicking works :) |
| 05:09.46 | JeffM | tho more for testing is good |
| 05:15.01 | JeffM | I'm callin that fixed |
| 05:15.48 | JeffM | or is that a feature ;) |
| 05:15.50 | DTRemenak | ok, so gm's fixed, kicks are fixed, what's next on the list |
| 05:16.00 | JeffM | replay |
| 05:16.05 | DTRemenak | eww |
| 05:16.08 | JeffM | DR |
| 05:16.22 | JeffM | I'm going to revert the model stuff cus it's bogus |
| 05:16.27 | JeffM | well I'll disable it mostly |
| 05:16.47 | DTRemenak | k, sounds like a good candidate for 3.2 then |
| 05:17.16 | JeffM | we'll have 4.0 by then ;) |
| 05:17.27 | DTRemenak | heh |
| 05:17.58 | JeffM | solo bots |
| 05:18.04 | DTRemenak | ah, yeah |
| 05:18.16 | JeffM | teleporter colision issues |
| 05:18.26 | DTRemenak | aren't those fixed? |
| 05:18.27 | JeffM | frame rate limiting |
| 05:18.33 | JeffM | not all of them |
| 05:18.34 | DTRemenak | what's broken there? |
| 05:18.36 | JeffM | I fixed most of them |
| 05:18.44 | JeffM | spldart was having issues with some of them |
| 05:19.16 | JeffM | font system needs to get it's crap put back |
| 05:19.46 | JeffM | bzrobots does not build on windows |
| 05:20.01 | JeffM | pings and lag calc is wrong |
| 05:20.42 | DTRemenak | bzrobots not building on windows is not release-critical |
| 05:21.32 | JeffM | the rest is just us all going thru the SF bug list and trying to dupe most of them |
| 05:21.44 | JeffM | I'll bet most of em won't dupe or we can schedule for later |
| 05:21.46 | DTRemenak | most of those bugs are against 2.x |
| 05:21.50 | JeffM | yeah |
| 05:21.54 | JeffM | hence the schedule for later |
| 05:22.01 | DTRemenak | I'm mostly concerned about regressions |
| 05:22.03 | JeffM | then it's DR and lag comp |
| 05:22.08 | JeffM | those are the big ones |
| 05:22.18 | Lukstr | JeffM: get any SoC DR apps? |
| 05:22.25 | JeffM | nope |
| 05:22.26 | DTRemenak | replay and fonts are also there |
| 05:22.28 | Lukstr | heh |
| 05:22.40 | spldart | DOH! me missed the testing |
| 05:22.42 | JeffM | DTRemenak: yep |
| 05:22.43 | DTRemenak | and bots |
| 05:22.47 | DTRemenak | so five big things |
| 05:22.48 | JeffM | yep |
| 05:23.13 | JeffM | I'm going to stub out the model stuff for now |
| 05:23.17 | JeffM | then test some DR |
| 05:23.23 | JeffM | and probalby throw in a frame limiter |
| 05:23.37 | DTRemenak | may poke at bots |
| 05:24.15 | JeffM | oh and I have to put in my dynamic team field :) |
| 05:27.41 | pacman87 | http://pastebin.bzflag.bz/m4cfbbe0c |
| 05:27.49 | CIA-32 | BZFlag: 03JeffM2501 * r16968 10/trunk/bzflag/ (configure.ac data/Makefile.am data/models/): no more models |
| 05:28.04 | pacman87 | build failed with ./configure --disable-server --disable-robots --disable-bzadmin |
| 05:29.32 | Mets | pac this is branch? |
| 05:29.38 | pacman87 | no, trunk |
| 05:29.52 | Mets | hmm |
| 05:29.59 | pacman87 | rev 16966 |
| 05:30.39 | Mets | what version of libtool? |
| 05:31.33 | Mets | when you ran autogen |
| 05:31.34 | spldart | mmmMMmmm guided missle war on gm test server with flash proving that gm is working decent |
| 05:31.56 | pacman87 | ltmain.sh (GNU libtool) 1.5.24 (1.1220.2.455 2007/06/24 02:13:29) |
| 05:32.24 | Mets | and your running ubuntu? |
| 05:32.27 | spldart | gm is harder to avoid too |
| 05:32.30 | pacman87 | no slackware |
| 05:32.37 | Mets | shivers |
| 05:32.42 | Mets | oh yeah you told me that before |
| 05:32.42 | spldart | hehe |
| 05:32.48 | pacman87 | though i did forget to rerun autogen... |
| 05:32.52 | spldart | slackware is harder |
| 05:32.54 | Mets | ah |
| 05:32.56 | Mets | re-run |
| 05:33.02 | Mets | slack...painful |
| 05:33.08 | spldart | did you have a *.am in your update? |
| 05:33.09 | pacman87 | why's that? |
| 05:33.10 | Mets | why work that hard to run your computer |
| 05:33.27 | pacman87 | cause it forces me to actually learn what's happening |
| 05:33.40 | pacman87 | that's why i chose it |
| 05:34.34 | spldart | Did you start with slackware? |
| 05:34.55 | Mets | I know I'm just being a pain :p |
| 05:35.02 | pacman87 | spldart: pretty much |
| 05:35.06 | blast007 | Mets: slackware isn't painful. |
| 05:35.10 | pacman87 | i played with fedora a bit earlier |
| 05:35.20 | pacman87 | on an older family computer |
| 05:35.21 | spldart | wow |
| 05:35.22 | blast007 | heh, however, fedora IS painful |
| 05:35.24 | Mets | blast007: says you :) |
| 05:35.38 | pacman87 | that was my older brother's choice |
| 05:35.43 | blast007 | Mets: what's so hard about it? |
| 05:35.54 | Mets | umm |
| 05:36.04 | CIA-32 | BZFlag: 03dtremenak * r16969 10/trunk/bzflag/NEWS: remove duplicate NEWS items (i.e. stuff we already released in 2.0.10 shouldn't be mentioned for 3.0) |
| 05:36.10 | Mets | nevermind |
| 05:36.33 | spldart | I started with lycoris but didn't like some aspects.. then tinkered with suse, fedora and ubuntu but settled on debian with some guidance from some of the moldy oldies in this channel some years ago |
| 05:36.54 | Lukstr | Mets: in comparison Ubuntu's not perfect either |
| 05:36.55 | pacman87 | i tried fedora and debian on my machine. one failed at networking, the other failed at graphics |
| 05:37.04 | spldart | Some other distro's wer touched on but didn't ratemention |
| 05:37.08 | Mets | Lukstr: I didn't say any of the distros were perfect |
| 05:37.29 | Mets | nor one better than another |
| 05:37.41 | Lukstr | Mets: I know, but nothing inately more complex in Slackware than Ubuntu |
| 05:37.50 | spldart | the perfect distro is the one that makes you the most happy.. :) |
| 05:37.59 | pacman87 | --disable-server isnt' working |
| 05:38.10 | blast007 | elaborate |
| 05:38.15 | pacman87 | still says it's building the server on the ./configure summary |
| 05:38.24 | blast007 | heh |
| 05:38.25 | Mets | there is no disable-server option |
| 05:38.29 | pacman87 | BZFlag server .....: yes (with plugins) |
| 05:38.42 | Mets | run configure --help |
| 05:38.49 | Mets | you can disable client and bzadmin, but not server |
| 05:39.08 | spldart | and it's there with a ls ./src/bzfs | grep bzfs I assume hehe |
| 05:39.25 | spldart | don't forge robots.. you can contro them and the plugins too |
| 05:39.34 | spldart | hrm |
| 05:39.35 | spldart | I think |
| 05:39.37 | spldart | hrm |
| 05:40.24 | spldart | meh.. too drunk... must goto 10 print "sleep" |
| 05:42.08 | short_circuit | gosub zzZZzz |
| 05:44.30 | Flash | when the client quits, is there a GL "shutdown" command? |
| 05:44.31 | CIA-32 | BZFlag: 03JeffM2501 * r16970 10/trunk/bzflag/src/geometry/ (TankGeometryMgr.cxx TankSceneNode.cxx): draw the tank like we did way back in 2007! |
| 05:44.46 | JeffM | the model loader and stuff is still there tho |
| 05:46.04 | pacman87 | yeah, that didnt' help. i still get the same error |
| 05:46.17 | pacman87 | http://pastebin.bzflag.bz/m3dadf849 |
| 05:46.38 | DTRemenak | update |
| 05:46.52 | DTRemenak | you got unlucky and updated between the time I broke it, and the time I fixed it :) |
| 05:46.59 | pacman87 | ah |
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| 05:52.51 | Lukstr | Flash: I doubt it |
| 05:53.25 | CIA-32 | BZFlag: 03JeffM2501 * r16971 10/trunk/bzflag/src/bzflag/playing.cxx: always do a 200fps cap so we don't get very small time steps. This is just a temporary holdover until the entire sim system can be reviewed. |
| 05:54.20 | AAA_awright | No, SVN is short for subversion, so you capitalize it. |
| 05:54.42 | AAA_awright | Oh, that conversation was a week ago >_< |
| 05:54.50 | Lukstr | JeffM: fps caps aren't the worst things ever, I know a lot of other games have had them hardcoded to 100 or so in the past |
| 05:54.58 | JeffM | yeah I Know |
| 05:55.02 | JeffM | our sim needs work tho |
| 05:55.13 | Lukstr | I don't doubt it |
| 05:55.34 | AAA_awright | JeffM: Wouldn't it be better to have a local variable that sets the max framerate for testing then? |
| 05:55.43 | JeffM | AAA_awright: huh? |
| 05:56.15 | Lukstr | AAA_awright: like a graphics/display option or something? |
| 05:56.17 | pacman87 | new one: http://pastebin.bzflag.bz/m7577a041 |
| 05:56.18 | AAA_awright | That last commit. Actually, I thought there was a variable that capped the framerate? I don't see the point, I guess. |
| 05:56.41 | JeffM | AAA_awright: powersaver does a fps limit |
| 05:56.44 | JeffM | the user can set that |
| 05:56.45 | blast007 | AAA_awright: you're thinking of energy saver |
| 05:56.51 | JeffM | when that is OFF, we will cap to 200 |
| 05:57.18 | AAA_awright | But if you need something temporary what is wrong with the energy saver? |
| 05:57.27 | JeffM | AAA_awright: noting |
| 05:57.32 | JeffM | nothing |
| 05:57.36 | JeffM | this isn't temporary |
| 05:57.45 | JeffM | and it uses the power saver mechanism |
| 05:57.46 | Flash | heh. The ftgl web site has a screen shot of bzflag |
| 05:57.57 | blast007 | he's refering to "This is just a temporary holdover until the entire sim system can be reviewed." |
| 05:58.07 | blast007 | "temporary" could mean a year :P |
| 05:58.08 | JeffM | yeah not for just me doing something |
| 05:58.12 | JeffM | or 2 ;) |
| 05:58.14 | blast007 | hehe |
| 05:58.16 | AAA_awright | Yes, sorry |
| 05:58.33 | Flash | oh... I see brlcad is a project admin for ftgl ;-) |
| 05:58.33 | AAA_awright | I actually assumed "temporary" meant until the release |
| 05:58.34 | blast007 | we don't want the user to be able to go past that until we can fix it right |
| 05:59.50 | JeffM | AAA_awright: nope, untill the code is redone |
| 06:00.25 | JeffM | as in this will work-ish but it need a real review at some point before it can be considrerd "right" |
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| 06:39.52 | AAA_awright | Zend studio froze on me for the nth plus two time today. I don't think it likes me anymore. >:( |
| 06:40.27 | Lukstr | hands AAA_awright VIM |
| 06:42.07 | AAA_awright | My minimal Debian install has Nano and Vi, no vim it looks like. So I use Nano. |
| 06:42.27 | AAA_awright | s/and/or/ |
| 06:42.40 | Lukstr | I find that hard to believe |
| 06:43.05 | Lukstr | oh wait, you say _minimal_ |
| 06:43.31 | AAA_awright | sudo apt-get install vim |
| 06:43.33 | AAA_awright | There |
| 06:45.51 | Lukstr | most systems come with vim |
| 06:45.56 | Lukstr | with vi aliased to vim |
| 06:45.58 | AAA_awright | Ah, much better. I like the Gentoo package selections, but for a VM it is much better when you can measure your package installs in seconds instead of hours |
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| 07:40.05 | CIA-32 | BZFlag: 03atupone * r16972 10/branches/v2_0branch/bzflag/ (7 files in 3 dirs): |
| 07:40.05 | CIA-32 | BZFlag: Use include from system location when not using internal c-ares |
| 07:40.05 | CIA-32 | BZFlag: ABI has changed in c-ares 1.5 |
| 07:44.15 | Tupone | M$ specific files should be changed too |
| 07:44.54 | brlcad | lh got the shirts and sends her thanks |
| 07:46.43 | Tupone | brlcad: why there is maintainer mode disabled on branch? It seems you disabled all dependency tracking, even for cxx files. I'm testing that again |
| 07:47.37 | brlcad | Tupone: ah, the test probably needs updating for svn |
| 07:48.19 | Tupone | svn branch you mean? |
| 07:48.27 | Tupone | and ... hi Sean :) |
| 07:51.31 | CIA-32 | BZFlag: 03brlcad * r16973 10/branches/v2_0branch/bzflag/configure.ac: this is the logic that is supposed to be here -- only turn off dep tracking if this isn't a source checkout. |
| 07:51.49 | brlcad | no, i mean that it hadn't changed since we went to svn |
| 07:52.12 | brlcad | but I was mistaken .. it was just turned off completely (and I don't recall doing that) |
| 07:52.43 | brlcad | should work now for a checkout |
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| 07:55.37 | Flash | brlcad: I have proven nearly conclusively (to myself, at least) that there is no memory issue in FontManager. |
| 07:55.49 | Flash | However, I'm not so sure about ftgl font package |
| 07:56.06 | brlcad | that's about where I ended up a few weeks ago too |
| 07:56.39 | Flash | I printed all the new/delete statements and matched up addresses |
| 07:56.53 | Flash | it looks clean to me (at least, my version ;-) |
| 07:58.59 | Flash | my semi-repeatable crash was in FTGLTextureFont::~FTGLTextureFont() |
| 08:00.12 | brlcad | the two most likely scenarios are either something in ftgl or in some other static data member (e.g. another singleton) |
| 08:00.43 | Flash | the other thing I was wondering is it related to GL in some way |
| 08:00.49 | brlcad | i lean towards the latter just because I can find corruption before FontManager even exists often |
| 08:01.01 | Flash | like, GL is shut down and the font does some GL operation |
| 08:02.11 | Flash | k |
| 08:04.23 | brlcad | course that doesn't mean there really aren't two problems going on either |
| 08:04.42 | Flash | oh... this is interesting: http://flash.pastebin.ca/982085 |
| 08:05.22 | Flash | Why would the FTFace dtor call BzfDisplay::setDefaultResolution? |
| 08:05.47 | brlcad | notice the call stack is trashed |
| 08:05.53 | Flash | yes |
| 08:06.18 | brlcad | well that's why .. just ended up jumping to some randome piece of code |
| 08:06.34 | Flash | when I was seeing this repeatably it was on the first delete of the font, though |
| 08:07.31 | brlcad | it still just means that something went wrong before that specific FTFace::~FTFace() call |
| 08:07.41 | brlcad | afterwards isn't reliable |
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| 08:36.40 | CIA-32 | BZFlag: 03atupone * r16974 10/branches/v2_0branch/bzflag/src/3D/FontManager.cxx: |
| 08:36.40 | CIA-32 | BZFlag: A reference to a function result is not safe |
| 08:36.40 | CIA-32 | BZFlag: Fixing a crash with gcc-4.3 |
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| 09:01.04 | Flash | well, TextureManager is destructed just before FontManager (FWIW) |
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| 10:15.43 | KingofCamelot | Who's awake? :) |
| 10:15.59 | overcool | raises his hand |
| 10:16.45 | Manu | KingofCamelot: you |
| 10:19.51 | KingofCamelot | Manu, I can always count on you to be in here late at night :) |
| 10:19.55 | KingofCamelot | Gotta love the time difference |
| 10:20.04 | Lukstr | It's 6:22 am here :D |
| 10:20.15 | Manu | 12:20 pm here |
| 10:21.15 | KingofCamelot | What are you doing up then Lukstr? |
| 10:21.21 | Lukstr | rah |
| 10:21.25 | Lukstr | studying for an exam |
| 10:21.26 | Lukstr | :D |
| 10:21.30 | overcool | 12:21 PM |
| 10:21.41 | KingofCamelot | yea...uh, studying at 6 AM doesn't help :P |
| 10:21.46 | overcool | sure does |
| 10:21.57 | Lukstr | lies! filthy lies |
| 10:23.05 | Manu | KingofCamelot: probably it's his last effort ;) |
| 10:23.14 | Manu | or the first one :/ |
| 10:23.25 | overcool | grr |
| 10:23.47 | overcool | The radarShotSize is always 0 and can't be changed |
| 10:23.51 | overcool | silly laptop |
| 10:24.04 | overcool | works on my other MB |
| 10:26.32 | Manu | you can change it editing the config file: set sizedradarshots 3 to see if it works |
| 10:26.37 | Manu | overcool: ^--- |
| 10:27.10 | overcool | Manu: it doesn't |
| 10:27.17 | overcool | I only edit my settings via config |
| 10:27.18 | Manu | have you tried it? |
| 10:27.23 | overcool | but GUI doesn't either |
| 10:27.27 | overcool | yes |
| 10:27.35 | overcool | I have sizeradarshots 4 |
| 10:27.41 | overcool | it's just one line on my radar |
| 10:27.42 | Manu | other options work? |
| 10:28.19 | overcool | yeah |
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| 10:28.36 | Manu | what's your OS and screen size? |
| 10:28.49 | overcool | Mac OS X 10.5.0 |
| 10:28.53 | overcool | 13" MacBook |
| 10:29.20 | Manu | 13" isn't too much :) but I mean the screen resolution |
| 10:30.11 | overcool | oh |
| 10:30.44 | overcool | 1280 x 800 |
| 10:31.37 | Manu | isn't a Mac guy :/ |
| 10:31.52 | Manu | but it's weird |
| 10:32.13 | Manu | overcool: you can wait for a Mac Dev :) |
| 10:32.26 | overcool | Constitution: lazy man, come here! |
| 10:32.27 | overcool | :p |
| 10:32.43 | overcool | Manu: I don't need this to work at all, just wondering why it doesn't |
| 10:33.06 | Manu | I understand :) |
| 10:33.18 | Manu | and it must work |
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| 12:22.22 | donny_baker | ~blast++ |
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| 15:25.06 | pacman87 | hmmm, it looks like if a banned player trys to join a server, it only triggers a part, not a join/part pair |
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| 15:34.43 | donny_baker | pacman87: correct |
| 15:37.16 | JeffM | how many people would pay 15$ for a bzflag hat? |
| 15:37.42 | Winny | me |
| 15:37.51 | a_temp_dist | a big tall wizard type hat? |
| 15:37.52 | Dessy | me |
| 15:37.53 | JeffM | did you get your stuff yet? |
| 15:38.18 | Winny | no |
| 15:38.22 | JeffM | damnit |
| 15:38.33 | Winny | myabe it really did go through siberia :p |
| 15:39.27 | JeffM | well it does say 6-10 days |
| 15:39.31 | JeffM | working days |
| 15:39.39 | Winny | this is true |
| 15:39.41 | JeffM | and techincaly it's only been 5 working days |
| 15:39.44 | Winny | Yeah, probably next week |
| 15:39.51 | JeffM | I hope so |
| 15:40.11 | JeffM | I would feel a lot better once I get confirmation that one of the international packages as gone thru |
| 15:40.41 | Winny | I know when my friend got something shipped up with USPS, customs kept it for a couple weeks |
| 15:40.46 | Winny | but it was a computer, so |
| 15:41.02 | donny_baker | wonders if JeffM stuck a picture of Rick Astley in Winny's box |
| 15:41.05 | JeffM | well I put a customs form on it, with exactly what was in it. |
| 15:41.10 | Dessy | if bzflag 3.0 comes out i will buy the cd :P |
| 15:41.21 | JeffM | and the lady at the post office said it all looked ok |
| 15:41.28 | Winny | donny_baker: :| |
| 15:42.14 | JeffM | wonder how I'd have to ship a hat |
| 15:42.20 | JeffM | probalby flat rate box |
| 15:42.43 | JeffM | mugs would be "fun" to ship too |
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| 15:44.14 | bz58 | dfgdffdfg |
| 15:44.21 | bz58 | ok that was a test |
| 15:44.34 | bz58 | anyone hare? |
| 15:44.37 | QuantumTim | Anyone know if it's possible to make bzflag run on my second monitor, without having to make it my primary monitor? |
| 15:44.39 | JeffM | ok, so.. for the next order.... navy shirts for the standard ones, custom pre-orders for ANY color. Hoodies, regular and zip for pre-order, a long sleve shirt for pre-order, a crew neck sweatshirt for pre-order, and front print logo shirts in any color for pre-order |
| 15:44.40 | bz58 | here? |
| 15:44.42 | JeffM | bz58: yes |
| 15:44.52 | JeffM | QuantumTim: not in fullscreen mode |
| 15:44.56 | QuantumTim | :s |
| 15:45.12 | QuantumTim | is it possibly at all with opengl on windows? |
| 15:45.13 | bz58 | ok......... this sucks. ARIBA!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! |
| 15:45.22 | QuantumTim | i.e. would it be something I could alter the source to get |
| 15:45.24 | JeffM | QuantumTim: sure |
| 15:45.25 | Winny | bz58: then leave if it sucks |
| 15:45.35 | bz58 | k bich |
| 15:45.46 | Winny | Nice to see you too |
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| 15:46.01 | QuantumTim | I've managed to find something that will shift bz to the second monitor, but I can't fullscreen it properly as the resolution is different |
| 15:46.12 | bz55 | that stinks |
| 15:46.16 | JeffM2501 | QuantumTim: yeah we'd basicly have to write that |
| 15:46.37 | bz55 | im a noob, so i dont no bout that stuff |
| 15:46.40 | QuantumTim | and as my laptop monitor doesn't support the res my other one is running at... |
| 15:46.44 | JeffM2501 | bz55: can we help you with anything? |
| 15:47.20 | QuantumTim | hmm, maybe I'll have a look at the source and see if I can work out what needs changing |
| 15:47.46 | JeffM2501 | QuantumTim: you are more then welcome to, but it's not anythign as simple as just changing a mode or something |
| 15:48.13 | QuantumTim | well, I suspect you just need to force the window onto the second monitor and fullscreen it |
| 15:48.14 | JeffM2501 | you'd have to add code to enumerate the other displays, locate there postions, and then set the res and move the fullscreen window over to those coordinates |
| 15:48.20 | JeffM2501 | QuantumTim: nope |
| 15:48.21 | QuantumTim | although it's been a while since I tinkered with opengl... |
| 15:48.22 | JeffM2501 | dosn't work like that |
| 15:48.33 | JeffM2501 | openGL dosn't actualy do the fullscreen part |
| 15:48.39 | JeffM2501 | GL dosn't do anything with the window or display |
| 15:48.43 | JeffM2501 | that's all directX |
| 15:48.54 | QuantumTim | yeah, don't you just make a windows window that covers the whole screen? |
| 15:49.00 | JeffM2501 | yes |
| 15:49.15 | JeffM2501 | and to do that on the other display, we'd have to know where that display is |
| 15:49.21 | JeffM2501 | so we can make a window that covers that one |
| 15:49.25 | QuantumTim | yeah |
| 15:49.31 | JeffM2501 | and it won't have an origin at 0,0 |
| 15:49.35 | JeffM2501 | so it's more complex |
| 15:50.04 | QuantumTim | still shouldn't be too hard though |
| 15:50.06 | JeffM2501 | the code we use to figure out where the main display is, dosn't use the API that supports multiple displays |
| 15:50.09 | JeffM2501 | if you say so ;) |
| 15:50.12 | JeffM2501 | good luck on it |
| 15:50.22 | QuantumTim | well, I'll start work on it and let you know ;) |
| 15:50.28 | JeffM2501 | k |
| 15:50.46 | QuantumTim | as long as I can find the relevant part in the bz code :p |
| 15:50.57 | JeffM2501 | WinWindow and WinDisplay |
| 15:52.43 | QuantumTim | right, thanks |
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| 16:12.29 | mcintyem | Jeff, et al, I have started: http://soc08.blogspot.com/ Let me know if you think this will be worthwhile this summer. |
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| 16:18.55 | JeffM2501 | I'm suprised you got the name :) |
| 16:24.25 | mcintyem | :) |
| 16:24.46 | Winny | JeffM2501: hurry up and get soc09 for next year ;) |
| 16:30.20 | JeffM2501 | I like our blog name |
| 16:39.01 | JeffM2501 | so how do I stop the apple supplied virus? |
| 16:39.53 | Winny | O.o |
| 16:39.59 | whodaman- | huh? |
| 16:40.06 | JeffM2501 | safari |
| 16:40.11 | Winny | heh |
| 16:40.13 | mcintyem | Ah. |
| 16:40.17 | Winny | install Firefox? |
| 16:40.21 | JeffM2501 | I want to tell them that I NEVER want to install it |
| 16:40.22 | whodaman- | Opera!!! |
| 16:40.24 | JeffM2501 | Winny: I use firefox |
| 16:40.35 | JeffM2501 | but apple keeps wanting me to install safari |
| 16:40.40 | Winny | JeffM2501, I'm not sure you can |
| 16:40.51 | JeffM2501 | and I already have one buggy insecure browser on my machine, I don't need 2 ;) |
| 16:41.00 | mcintyem | Yeah, the updater for iTunes considered it an "update" to install Safary for the first time. I gave up and let it install. |
| 16:41.06 | mcintyem | *Safari |
| 16:42.21 | Winny | Only thing I use it for is web testing |
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| 17:00.37 | eTangenT | That safari thing is bothering me. |
| 17:00.42 | eTangenT | I may just uninstall iTunes over it. |
| 17:00.46 | eTangenT | It's _that_ annoying. |
| 17:00.49 | eTangenT | And I hate iTunes anyways. |
| 17:04.30 | ts | eTangenT: What's so bad in itunes? |
| 17:04.33 | blast007 | JeffM2501: create the install directory for safari, then lock down write permissions via NTFS ;) |
| 17:04.44 | JeffM2501 | I just told it to ignore it |
| 17:04.48 | JeffM2501 | we'll see if that helps |
| 17:04.59 | eTangenT | ts: it just bothers me. I don't get along with it well. |
| 17:05.27 | eTangenT | I only use it to sync my iPod, really, but with my horrible music organization, syncing can be a pain. |
| 17:05.29 | JeffM2501 | itunes sucks on 64 bit XP too :( |
| 17:05.38 | blast007 | what's bad in iTunes? the fact that it forces me to install QuickTime |
| 17:06.05 | blast007 | I use QT Lite for just the codecs, I don't need their horrible player |
| 17:06.13 | ts | Yeah, the Windows® version of QT sucks.. |
| 17:06.30 | ts | but that version is missing all the cool stuff anyway |
| 17:06.40 | blast007 | cool stuff? |
| 17:06.47 | blast007 | like the "not-suck" feature? ;) |
| 17:07.23 | ts | blast007: On a Mac QT is smooth and almost problem free |
| 17:09.00 | blast007 | ts: except when people had to have one version to run Garage Band, and an older version to build BZFlag? :) |
| 17:09.16 | blast007 | and people had to use that rollback tool to get the older version |
| 17:10.32 | eTangenT | I'd use Winamp to sync my iPod except that it doesn't seem to like doing so |
| 17:10.58 | whodaman- | blast007, Garage band ftl |
| 17:11.21 | whodaman- | and yeah, the QT player is nothing short of major failure |
| 17:11.36 | blast007 | apple ftl, for making software rely on the version of QT you have installed |
| 17:11.40 | JeffM2501 | so... think anyone will order a pink bzflag shirt? |
| 17:11.51 | eTangenT | JeffM2501: I'll do it. When I have money. |
| 17:11.53 | whodaman- | blast007, don't get me started! >:E |
| 17:11.59 | blast007 | whodaman-: hehe.. |
| 17:12.03 | JeffM2501 | eTangenT: pink? |
| 17:12.05 | whodaman- | :D |
| 17:12.09 | eTangenT | JeffM2501: yeah. |
| 17:12.15 | blast007 | for his mom |
| 17:12.25 | JeffM2501 | allright, I throw em up for pre-order :) |
| 17:12.25 | eTangenT | blast007: you know it. |
| 17:12.42 | whodaman- | too match his shoes, duh http://wits.files.wordpress.com/2007/07/pink_hitop.jpg |
| 17:12.42 | eTangenT | :D |
| 17:12.44 | whodaman- | ducks |
| 17:12.53 | eTangenT | nah whodaman |
| 17:13.04 | eTangenT | those aren't fancy or pink enough to be mine |
| 17:13.15 | eTangenT | heya Jeff |
| 17:13.21 | eTangenT | do you have flourescent orange bzflag shirts? |
| 17:13.52 | blast007 | hunter orange, for those who want to kill deer with balls of light |
| 17:13.55 | whodaman- | Or just any orange, would be cool |
| 17:13.59 | whodaman- | http://shinymedia.headshift.com/shoewawa/images/photos/uncategorized/pinkish.jpg |
| 17:14.02 | whodaman- | :P |
| 17:14.08 | JeffM2501 | Tangerine |
| 17:14.16 | eTangenT | whodaman-: NOW WE'RE TALKIN' |
| 17:14.32 | whodaman- | eTangenT, :D |
| 17:14.39 | whodaman- | JeffM2501, http://www.fullsweepdistro.com/products/images/samples/orange_tshirt.jpg something like that maybe |
| 17:14.54 | JeffM2501 | not that bright |
| 17:14.56 | eTangenT | shower time. be back soon. |
| 17:15.04 | whodaman- | JeffM2501, yeah, that's the point |
| 17:15.05 | JeffM2501 | oh they do |
| 17:15.09 | JeffM2501 | sorry |
| 17:15.11 | JeffM2501 | so yeah |
| 17:15.17 | JeffM2501 | if you want one you can order one |
| 17:15.21 | whodaman- | then people go "OMG ITS A BZFLAG GARBAGE MAN!" |
| 17:15.38 | whodaman- | (garbage men have orange shirts/jackets here) |
| 17:22.29 | JeffM2501 | http://my.bzflag.org/store/images/Shirt_Color_Grid.png |
| 17:22.33 | JeffM2501 | that's what we'll offer |
| 17:22.43 | JeffM2501 | with options for front or rear logo |
| 17:23.26 | whodaman- | same price? |
| 17:23.37 | JeffM2501 | XXXL will be a buck more now, but yeah |
| 17:23.44 | whodaman- | :p |
| 17:23.45 | JeffM2501 | and front logo a buck cheaper |
| 17:23.50 | JeffM2501 | since it's less printing |
| 17:24.24 | JeffM2501 | I get charged a buck extra for XXL and 2 bucks extra for XXXL, and this first time I only charged a buck extra for both XXL and XXXL |
| 17:24.44 | JeffM2501 | so 12 for S to XL, 13 for XXL, 14 for XXXL |
| 17:35.32 | JeffM2501 | http://store.bzflag.bz/index.php?main_page=product_info&cPath=2&products_id=14 |
| 17:35.43 | JeffM2501 | I have to work out the pulldowns and stuff, but that's the basic idea |
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| 17:52.10 | mayB | brlcad: I have submitted the patch as per the requirements |
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| 18:05.20 | Lukstr-t | waves |
| 18:05.51 | mcintyem | blrcad: JeffM2501: Preliminary prototypes posted! http://soc08.blogspot.com/ I'll be off for the rest of the afternoon, but leave comments if you have any. I'm starting to think a good way to finish is to just start. |
| 18:06.13 | JeffM2501 | cool |
| 18:07.39 | JeffM2501 | anyone want to proofread 2 store pages for me? |
| 18:08.17 | mcintyem | send links? |
| 18:08.34 | Lukstr-t | oh oh pick me |
| 18:08.36 | JeffM2501 | http://store.bzflag.bz/index.php?main_page=product_info&cPath=2&products_id=14 |
| 18:08.41 | Lukstr-t | I'm at school waiting for my ride to finish her exam |
| 18:08.48 | JeffM2501 | http://store.bzflag.bz/index.php?main_page=product_info&cPath=2&products_id=15 |
| 18:08.52 | JeffM2501 | all of you can do it :) |
| 18:08.53 | Lukstr-t | will do anything to prevent boredom |
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| 18:10.19 | Lukstr-t | looks good from where I'm sitting |
| 18:11.01 | Lukstr-t | curses these damn lab machines, no super user priveledges at all! |
| 18:11.13 | Lukstr-t | How am I supposed to build bzflag if they don't let me install anything.... |
| 18:11.14 | javawizard2539 | watch the language |
| 18:11.24 | blast007 | javawizard2539: language? |
| 18:11.30 | Lukstr-t | javawizard2539: sorry |
| 18:11.34 | javawizard2539 | np |
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| 18:11.45 | JeffM2501 | now that's pushing it |
| 18:11.47 | Lukstr-t | hasn't slept in a long, long time |
| 18:11.50 | JeffM2501 | dosn't consider damn a bad word |
| 18:11.56 | javawizard2539 | I do |
| 18:12.07 | javawizard2539 | And I'm sure there are some who do besides me |
| 18:12.08 | JeffM2501 | it would be allowed here |
| 18:12.12 | Winny | javawizard2539: -_- |
| 18:12.14 | javawizard2539 | Hmm... |
| 18:12.19 | javawizard2539 | I don't like it |
| 18:12.21 | javawizard2539 | but whatever |
| 18:12.23 | JeffM2501 | ok, so? |
| 18:12.24 | JeffM2501 | ;) |
| 18:12.52 | javawizard2539 | Ok, ok, you guys win |
| 18:12.54 | javawizard2539 | :) |
| 18:13.14 | javawizard2539 | I'll figure out how to get some sort of filter for my IRC client |
| 18:13.29 | JeffM2501 | whatever floats your boat skip |
| 18:13.37 | Winny | Honestly... how is "damn" a bad word.. |
| 18:13.41 | JeffM2501 | exactly |
| 18:13.48 | JeffM2501 | but we move on... |
| 18:13.56 | JeffM2501 | so who wants tripple XL hoodies? |
| 18:14.03 | JeffM2501 | and non hoodie sweatshirts |
| 18:14.32 | Lukstr-t | JeffM2501: Eh, wiki says it's offensive :P |
| 18:14.42 | JeffM2501 | who's wiki? |
| 18:14.44 | JeffM2501 | ours? |
| 18:15.05 | JeffM2501 | as bzflag itself dosn't realy enforce language rules on servers or anything. |
| 18:15.08 | Lukstr-t | THE wiki: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Damnation |
| 18:15.24 | JeffM2501 | dude, wikipeida also says lots of untrue/unproven things |
| 18:15.29 | Lukstr-t | haha I know |
| 18:15.33 | Lukstr-t | I'm just joshing around |
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| 18:16.47 | mcintyem | What about usage like damned to Hell? or other acts of being damned? Or how about "tarnation"? |
| 18:16.54 | mcintyem | is kidding. |
| 18:18.17 | JeffM2501 | as with all things, if the comment is intended to be ofensive, or attacking to anyone, then that itself would not be allowed here |
| 18:18.17 | Lukstr-t | mcintyem: tarnation is acceptable, as would be "heck." I think no one has problems with minced oaths |
| 18:18.24 | Lukstr-t | the rest of that is possibly offensive |
| 18:18.41 | Lukstr-t | But hey, you can always offend someone |
| 18:18.42 | JeffM2501 | but used as a common term where no harm is inteneded in the meaning, then we are cool |
| 18:19.30 | JeffM2501 | and lab machiens should be cursed :) |
| 18:19.39 | Lukstr-t | indeed! |
| 18:20.01 | Lukstr-t | if I could install stuff user-locally (as in my home dir) I'd be set, but not even that |
| 18:21.01 | Lukstr-t | all I really want is gnometris :( |
| 18:21.01 | blast007 | heh |
| 18:21.38 | blast007 | I bet there's some tetris game for my nokia ;) |
| 18:22.11 | Lukstr-t | will revert to time-tested-and-true netris |
| 18:23.59 | Lukstr-t | blimey, |
| 18:24.10 | Lukstr-t | no curses.h |
| 18:25.05 | blast007 | hehe, pwned |
| 18:26.33 | Lukstr-t | anyone want to send me one? :P |
| 18:26.50 | JeffM2501 | the internet can |
| 18:27.59 | Winny | "We can do that, we are the internet" |
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| 19:01.07 | Lukstr-t | w00t! I have netris. |
| 19:01.31 | Lukstr-t | that was not fun |
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| 19:39.53 | Flash | would there be opposition to introducing reference-counted smart pointers for some of the more troubling resource management issues? |
| 19:40.21 | Lukstr-t | hm |
| 19:43.30 | Flash | I have proven (to myself) conclusively that there is no resource management issue with FontManager |
| 19:43.51 | Flash | but there is stack corruption that shows up theoretically during the FontManager dtor |
| 19:44.05 | Flash | so I'm looking at things destroyed prior to FontManager |
| 19:44.23 | Flash | just prior is TextureManager, and it has some scary resource managment |
| 19:44.40 | Flash | holding things in maps etc is a challenge |
| 19:45.03 | Flash | but with a reference counted pointer (sort of like garbage collection) that task would be simplified |
| 19:45.59 | Lukstr-t | Flash: have you run it through valgrind or the like? |
| 19:46.58 | Flash | valgrind is only for linux |
| 19:47.14 | Lukstr-t | oh. I didn't know you were on windows |
| 19:47.26 | Flash | ~lart Lukstr-t |
| 19:47.26 | ibot | acting on orders from an unspecified client drags Lukstr-t into court suing for $200 million |
| 19:47.30 | Flash | bite your tongue |
| 19:47.51 | Lukstr-t | s/windows/!linux/ |
| 19:48.02 | Flash | I turned on the Mac memory debugging tools and was getting a consistent core dump, but the stack was already trashed |
| 19:48.47 | Lukstr-t | Flash: I'll give some code a run through valgrind if you think it any use |
| 19:49.04 | Flash | I wouldn't know where to start (you could try all of bzflag ;-) |
| 19:49.16 | Flash | I like to deal with these things analytically |
| 19:49.30 | Lukstr-t | Flash: Yeah, probably all of bzflag :) |
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| 19:49.41 | Flash | that's why I re-wrote FontManager... in part to improve modularity, but also to ensure coherent memory management |
| 19:49.58 | Flash | but for now my work languishes as an unapplied patch ;-) |
| 19:50.12 | Lukstr-t | hehe |
| 19:50.31 | Lukstr-t | this is exactly why I prefer C: I get to see where my memory is going, crystal clearly |
| 19:50.38 | Flash | not me |
| 19:50.46 | Flash | I prefer RAII programming |
| 19:50.55 | Flash | Resource Allocation Is Initialization |
| 19:51.06 | Lukstr-t | I know of it |
| 19:51.15 | Flash | assumes nothing |
| 19:51.38 | Lukstr-t | nuh-uh! |
| 19:51.44 | Lukstr-t | you're assuming you get exceptions :) |
| 19:51.53 | Flash | that's like assuming gravity |
| 19:51.58 | Flash | exceptions happen |
| 19:52.02 | Lukstr-t | not so much |
| 19:52.03 | Lukstr-t | in C |
| 19:52.06 | Flash | lol |
| 19:52.14 | Flash | no, people just forget to free memory |
| 19:52.22 | Flash | or don't follow all the decision paths |
| 19:52.27 | Lukstr-t | yes |
| 19:52.54 | Lukstr-t | a fellow student was complaining how (after running his code through valgrind) he had something like 1000+ memory leaks |
| 19:52.56 | Flash | exceptions are better than error codes because you can't ignore them (unless you do it explicitly) |
| 19:53.19 | Lukstr-t | Flash: I don't disagree, but they're not built into the C language :) |
| 19:53.26 | Flash | exactly |
| 19:53.41 | Flash | I started life writing FORTRAN and assembly |
| 19:53.56 | Flash | when I moved to C, it was like a breath of fresh air |
| 19:54.02 | Flash | but C++ was like coming home |
| 19:54.22 | Lukstr-t | heh |
| 19:55.25 | Lukstr-t | I see C++ as that high precision sniper rifle you keep locked in the attic. C's more of a sawed-off :) |
| 19:55.53 | Lukstr-t | Regardless, I stick to C unless I need C++'s features for something |
| 19:56.15 | Flash | it's been said that with C you can shoot yourself in the foot; with C++ you can blow your whole leg off |
| 19:56.29 | Lukstr-t | haha exactly. |
| 19:56.33 | Flash | I don't know how weapons and self-maiming actually relate to programming languages |
| 19:56.40 | Lukstr-t | yeah me neither |
| 19:56.48 | Winny | Mental anguish :) |
| 19:56.56 | Lukstr-t | unless you're programming automated weapons... |
| 19:58.25 | Flash | well, I guess the devs are sleeping...... |
| 19:58.55 | blast007 | yup |
| 19:59.05 | blast007 | or at least the ones that know what you're talking about ;) |
| 19:59.09 | Winny | blast007 is always sleeping, it's hsi job |
| 19:59.14 | blast007 | yeah |
| 19:59.23 | Winny | He works for the TSA |
| 19:59.29 | blast007 | hehe |
| 19:59.40 | Flash | doesn't take anything Winny says seriously |
| 19:59.50 | Winny | :) |
| 19:59.59 | blast007 | that's probably a good thing |
| 20:00.20 | Lukstr-t | well, homeward bound, to a warm coffee and a real client. |
| 20:00.22 | Lukstr-t | later all |
| 20:00.41 | Flash | later |
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| 21:07.04 | Lukstr | waves |
| 21:07.18 | Winny | waves back |
| 21:07.34 | whodaman- | rides the wave |
| 21:07.42 | Macrosoft | snores |
| 21:07.49 | whodaman- | isn't that DTRemenak's line? |
| 21:07.52 | Winny | it is |
| 21:08.08 | whodaman- | mm |
| 21:08.14 | whodaman- | steals DTR's line |
| 21:08.25 | whodaman- | wow, I was honestly too lazy to tab-complete |
| 21:08.29 | whodaman- | ~lart whodaman- |
| 21:08.29 | ibot | slaps whodaman- upside and over the head with one freakishly huge killer whale named hugh |
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| 21:24.32 | spldart | 's tax return check showed up 8~D |
| 21:26.30 | spldart | And my eco stimulus check Gets mailed 1 month and 4 days |
| 21:35.01 | JBdiGriz | Is it stimulating your eco? |
| 21:36.15 | spldart | Yes! |
| 21:36.30 | spldart | local micro eco environment |
| 21:49.40 | Flash | spldart: I don't know how much (if any) I'll get, but I'm sure I'm paying for yours |
| 21:53.38 | spldart | Oh you are. |
| 21:53.48 | spldart | And why do you say that |
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| 21:59.53 | Flash | because I have the privilege of writing a hefty check to the IRS this year |
| 22:00.46 | spldart | And you assume I haven't paid quite a bit in taxes this last year? Maybe I'm getting more of my money back? |
| 22:01.21 | Flash | nope. but if you are looking forward to receiving a check shortly after I write one, the coincidence is compelling |
| 22:02.03 | spldart | If find your statement then your last one rather offensive. |
| 22:02.09 | Flash | sorry |
| 22:02.21 | spldart | I hope you were kidding |
| 22:02.45 | spldart | We all pay in. That's the constant of the universe it seems. |
| 22:02.48 | Flash | I'm just annoyed because I don't get any deduction for my kid's tuition expenses |
| 22:03.02 | spldart | Why not? |
| 22:03.27 | Flash | I crossed a threshold |
| 22:03.40 | spldart | oh. Stupid irs tax code I assume |
| 22:04.10 | Flash | yes. I'd be much happier with a simple consumption-based tax |
| 22:04.22 | spldart | I've had the pleasure of 4 audit battles with the irs myself.. 3 and 1 for score |
| 22:04.38 | Flash | wow. I've managed to fly under the radar thus far |
| 22:04.45 | spldart | :~) I'm on the same page as you on the consumption tax :) |
| 22:05.19 | spldart | I have no love for the irs |
| 22:12.12 | Lukstr | mm best way to avoid paying taxes: make no money |
| 22:12.28 | Winny | I like your thinking, Mr. Lukstr = |
| 22:12.33 | Winny | s/=// |
| 22:12.41 | Lukstr | :) |
| 22:12.53 | Flash | that's true. You can't even avoid it by dying |
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| 22:29.38 | short_circuit | runs to the store |
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| 23:21.10 | Constitution | overcool: ok? |
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| 23:28.44 | AAA_awright | JeffM, brlcad: Would an easy way to solve the jitter/screenshot cheating to limit the distance you may travel each program loop? |
| 23:29.36 | Constitution | server-side collision detection would do it too |
| 23:30.29 | AAA_awright | That is way too much stress on the server though |
| 23:31.46 | Winny | heh |
| 23:32.12 | Constitution | the client does it now, and that's only a small part of what it does... why is it too much stress? |
| 23:40.31 | AAA_awright | Times 30 players? |
| 23:40.44 | AAA_awright | In a world file with a bazillion objects? |
| 23:41.19 | AAA_awright | Put it this way: How well was the excessive speed kick on the server? |
| 23:42.26 | Constitution | I meant collisions as in tanks<->shots |
| 23:42.47 | Constitution | that would solve it as far as F5'ing through shots |
| 23:48.44 | AAA_awright | The client could be programmed to examine, algebraically in fact, if the shot will collide with the tank or not given a certain position packet |
| 23:49.29 | AAA_awright | I assume the client currently has a looping if statment, is this shot close to me?die():live(); |
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| 23:50.17 | Winny | AAA_awright, If I'm not mistaken, the point of moving shots to the server is to deter cheating |
| 23:50.28 | Winny | keeping the code local wouldn't fix that |
| 23:50.40 | AAA_awright | It ruins dodging on your client though |
| 23:51.44 | AAA_awright | There could be a checking loop, plugin, or program, that could detect close collision that were not reported |
| 23:53.58 | JBdiGriz | It shouldn't ruin dodging on your client very much, unless you are very laggy. |
| 23:54.15 | JBdiGriz | I'm not sure why we should encourage clients to be very laggy. |
| 23:56.47 | spldart | Winny is funny |
| 23:56.59 | Winny | eh |
| 23:57.26 | JeffM | AAA_awright: that's been done in 3.0 |
| 23:57.42 | JeffM | also compression has been moved to a thread |
| 23:58.00 | Constitution | "different" does not equate to "ruined" |
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| 23:58.20 | AAA_awright | How about object collision? |
| 23:58.48 | JeffM | we are going to offload object collsion to google |
| 23:58.55 | AAA_awright | Oh, cool |
| 23:59.07 | AAA_awright | ;) |
| 23:59.08 | JeffM | they have the computation farm to do it |
| 23:59.18 | Constitution | object collision is already a lot better |
| 23:59.27 | AAA_awright | In the client? |
| 23:59.35 | JeffM | that'd be the only place that has it |
| 23:59.50 | JeffM | the client now knows it's loop limits and tries to stay in them |
| 23:59.56 | AAA_awright | As far as I know bzfs still is not aware of the map |
