| 00:01.46 | JeffM | well I have a hunch about what it may be so when you want to work on it again, feel free to ask :) |
| 00:04.31 | Erroneous | Constitution: you are welcome to commit your own patch y'know :) |
| 00:05.22 | Epyon | JeffM, okay, but I barely understand what I read now, so I'll better go to sleep :P |
| 00:06.11 | JeffM | see ya |
| 00:06.20 | Epyon | g'night! |
| 00:06.28 | Erroneous | 'night Epyon |
| 00:06.50 | JeffM | HAHHAHAHAHAHAA |
| 00:06.54 | JeffM | I foudn it |
| 00:06.56 | JeffM | oh man |
| 00:07.03 | JeffM | I will hold my tounge |
| 00:07.03 | Epyon | dammit |
| 00:07.06 | JeffM | no no |
| 00:07.14 | JeffM | you can find it |
| 00:07.19 | Epyon | JeffM, leave it to me please :> |
| 00:07.23 | JeffM | I just want to show Erroneous |
| 00:07.27 | JeffM | I will |
| 00:07.58 | javawizard2539 | um, and easy on the language |
| 00:13.18 | Lukstr | language? |
| 00:18.21 | Epyon | darn, it gets send all right. |
| 00:38.07 | spldart | heh.. that was amusing |
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| 00:40.42 | blast007 | hello TaylorKillian |
| 00:41.08 | javawizard2539 | Luckstr, Epyon's remark 6 above the one that I referenced language |
| 00:41.27 | javawizard2539 | Lukstr, Epyon's remark 6 above the one that I referenced language |
| 00:42.00 | Lukstr | really? |
| 00:42.03 | Lukstr | it's even spelt wrong |
| 00:42.40 | javawizard2539 | Lukstr, I know, but it's still offensive to me |
| 00:42.53 | Flash | What's the preferred way of including new files in a patch? Is DEVINFO up-to-date? |
| 00:42.55 | TaylorKillian | blast007: whats up |
| 00:43.09 | TaylorKillian | anything new? |
| 00:43.26 | javawizard2539 | Flash: Patches should be in the format of an SVN diff |
| 00:43.30 | blast007 | TaylorKillian: not really :) |
| 00:44.02 | TaylorKillian | heh, cool |
| 00:44.05 | Flash | ok, so how do you diff a new file? |
| 00:45.03 | blast007 | if it's a new file, just upload the whole thing |
| 00:45.15 | blast007 | (and make a note that it's a new file) |
| 00:45.17 | Flash | like it says in DEVINFO, then |
| 00:45.30 | blast007 | I guess |
| 00:45.37 | blast007 | I should probably read that at some point |
| 00:45.39 | blast007 | ;) |
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| 00:47.13 | javawizard2539 | Flash: If there's also modifications to other files, I would do it as a patch |
| 00:47.34 | javawizard2539 | I ran a diff with one new file, with 2 lines of text as contents and got this: http://pastebin.bzflag.bz/m8bf55a6 |
| 00:47.53 | blast007 | do you have to 'svn add' the file first? |
| 00:48.06 | javawizard2539 | blast007, I didn't |
| 00:48.09 | blast007 | k |
| 00:48.11 | javawizard2539 | It worked anyway |
| 00:48.34 | blast007 | I use TortoiseSVN typically, so it's probably different for me |
| 00:48.52 | javawizard2539 | blast007, That's what I use |
| 00:48.55 | blast007 | ah |
| 00:50.18 | javawizard2539 | So anyone managed to compile bzflag on Eclipse with MinGW? |
| 00:50.31 | javawizard2539 | I use MSVC right now but would like to use Eclipse instead |
| 00:50.49 | Flash | I haven't enjoyed Eclipse for C++ |
| 00:51.01 | javawizard2539 | I have |
| 00:51.05 | I_Died_Once | JeffM |
| 00:51.08 | I_Died_Once | about my shirt |
| 00:51.10 | I_Died_Once | ,,, |
| 00:51.19 | javawizard2539 | Although I've been using it for around 4 years now |
| 00:51.44 | Flash | so just configure it to use the external make scripts |
| 00:52.20 | javawizard2539 | I've tried most stuff but I get huge amounts of errors |
| 00:52.38 | javawizard2539 | msvc is easier to get to work but I like eclipse more |
| 00:54.11 | Lukstr | mingw doesn |
| 00:54.13 | Lukstr | er |
| 00:54.28 | Lukstr | doesn't really replace msvc's compiler |
| 00:54.37 | Lukstr | so I bet you're going to run into mucho problems |
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| 00:56.38 | spldart | mingw gave me TONS of problems |
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| 01:21.18 | JeffM | I_Died_Once, sup? |
| 01:21.32 | I_Died_Once | about my shirt....... |
| 01:21.35 | I_Died_Once | ....... |
| 01:21.38 | I_Died_Once | I'm wearing it! |
| 01:21.40 | I_Died_Once | woot woot |
| 01:21.41 | JeffM | whoot |
| 01:21.55 | I_Died_Once | thx for not taking a dump in the postal bag |
| 01:21.59 | JeffM | heh |
| 01:22.01 | I_Died_Once | I did smell and check for it |
| 01:22.10 | I_Died_Once | almost disappointed |
| 01:22.13 | JeffM | hey I even sent you a buck too |
| 01:22.21 | I_Died_Once | I did wash it anyway before putting it on |
| 01:22.24 | I_Died_Once | I see that |
| 01:22.33 | I_Died_Once | I'm trying to think of something appropriate to spend it on |
| 01:22.37 | I_Died_Once | something symbolic |
| 01:22.42 | JeffM | yeah I wore one with out washing it and it was a little scratchy, so I washed the others |
| 01:23.06 | I_Died_Once | I think the icon on the front is crooked |
| 01:23.11 | JeffM | it's suposed to be :) |
| 01:23.22 | I_Died_Once | or is it supposed to be ? |
| 01:23.22 | I_Died_Once | ah ha |
| 01:23.32 | JeffM | saturos wanted it a to not be so symetrical |
| 01:23.43 | JeffM | I'm glad I hadd them increase it to be 3 inches wide |
| 01:23.49 | JeffM | 2 inches would have been too small |
| 01:25.00 | I_Died_Once | wonders if PLanet MoFO T Shirts would sell |
| 01:25.08 | JeffM | they may |
| 01:25.28 | JeffM | for the place that we printed at, all you have to do is print 24 items minimum |
| 01:25.46 | JeffM | it gets cheaper if you print more tho |
| 01:26.08 | spldart | ;~) I didn't wash mine..... Baby |
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| 01:33.57 | spldart | AAH! No ish! I just brag on my new bzflag shirt and I'm cherishing my new bz shirt and went into the kitchen just now to reheat leftovers and saw a little mess... sparyed some lysol and boom the little spray tip broke and the stuff came out in liquid form, under pressure and covered my shirt! it's in the sink now soaking. No freaking way :-( |
| 01:34.29 | spldart | Now I might HAVE to order another XL |
| 01:34.41 | blast007 | heh... |
| 01:39.27 | spldart | I... can't.. believe it... spooccckkkkkkkkk |
| 01:40.19 | spldart | me considers jumping on bz.l4m3r.net:5000 again |
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| 01:50.30 | flying_popcorn | hi |
| 01:52.09 | spldart | hi |
| 01:52.10 | spldart | oh |
| 01:56.39 | blast007 | heh.. |
| 01:58.04 | Lukstr | spldart: hope your shirt's okay |
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| 02:04.40 | Soxred93 | Hey, I need some help. |
| 02:04.51 | Soxred93 | On the Mac version, is there a way to run in WIndowed mode? |
| 02:05.16 | Flash | yes, from the command line |
| 02:05.21 | blast007 | does the F1 key work? |
| 02:05.33 | Flash | yes |
| 02:05.33 | Flash | that too |
| 02:05.41 | blast007 | (might have to be in a game to toggle it) |
| 02:05.47 | Flash | nope |
| 02:05.50 | blast007 | k |
| 02:05.56 | Soxred93 | Cool, thanks |
| 02:06.05 | *** part/#bzflag Soxred93 (n=Soxred93@unaffiliated/soxred93) |
| 02:06.10 | Flash | Soxred93: have you used the terminal before? |
| 02:06.16 | Flash | ok |
| 02:06.25 | Flash | have you used IRC before? |
| 02:06.45 | Flash | or maybe a "pm" crashed your client? |
| 02:07.23 | Lukstr | hah |
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| 02:10.15 | Flash | ~bzfrag Ebert |
| 02:10.16 | ibot | ACTION kills Ebert with a shot from his BZTank |
| 02:10.26 | Ebert | !@#$ |
| 02:10.33 | Flash | takes a preemptive strike |
| 02:10.33 | Ebert | :D |
| 02:10.41 | blast007 | ;) |
| 02:12.23 | javawizard2539 | ~karma CBG |
| 02:12.23 | ibot | cbg has karma of -440 |
| 02:12.40 | javawizard2539 | ~karma |
| 02:12.40 | ibot | javawizard2539 has karma of 1 |
| 02:12.57 | CBG | ~spam javawizard2539 |
| 02:12.57 | ibot | ACTION subscribes javawizard2539 to every possible mailing list he can find on the 'net AND arranges for javawizard2539 to get at least 50 snail mail spams a day |
| 02:13.01 | CBG | ~kick javawizard2539 |
| 02:13.01 | ibot | ACTION kicks javawizard2539 |
| 02:13.05 | CBG | ~wet javawizard2539 |
| 02:13.06 | ibot | ACTION tips a bucket of horse manure over javawizard2539's head! |
| 02:13.10 | CBG | ~stfu javawizard2539 |
| 02:13.13 | javawizard2539 | ~bzfrag cbg |
| 02:13.13 | ibot | ACTION kills cbg with a shot from his BZTank |
| 02:13.17 | CBG | ~itsnotfunny javawizard2539 |
| 02:13.23 | blast007 | ~botpark |
| 02:13.23 | ibot | #BotPark is a channel for testing and talking to irc bots. Please do not talk to the bots too much in normal channels. You may msg them or talk in #BotPark |
| 02:13.24 | CBG | ~ignored javawizard2539 |
| 02:13.32 | javawizard2539 | then why were you doing it? |
| 02:14.06 | blast007 | CBG: if you don't like getting pinged in this channel, turn off pings for here |
| 02:14.29 | CBG | blast007: pings are fine... when they are for a freaking reason |
| 02:14.55 | blast007 | then set up an ignore based on if the text contains "karma CBG" |
| 02:14.58 | CBG | ibot responds to /msg which is what people should be doing anyway - or as you suggested - botpark |
| 02:14.58 | ibot | CBG: what are you talking about? |
| 02:15.15 | javawizard2539 | sorry, I didn't know it would ping unless there was a : or , after the name |
| 02:15.22 | CBG | ............ |
| 02:15.36 | blast007 | javawizard2539: meh, he's just crabby ;) |
| 02:15.48 | CBG | CRABBY?!?!?! |
| 02:15.52 | CBG | I'LL SHOW YOU CRABBY!!!!!!!! |
| 02:16.05 | Lukstr | ~lart CBG |
| 02:16.05 | ibot | acting on orders from an unspecified client drags CBG into court suing for $200 million |
| 02:16.14 | blast007 | CBG: AOLism != crabby |
| 02:17.15 | Flash | ~desleep CBG |
| 02:17.16 | ibot | ACTION uses toothpicks to prop CBG's eyes open, refusing to allow CBG to go to sleep |
| 02:19.04 | javawizard2539 | CBG, /msg doesn't work for changes to karma, so it's not applicable for everything |
| 02:19.06 | Ebert | haha desleep.. |
| 02:20.20 | CBG | javawizard2539: ok, so don't /msg when you change karma ffs |
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| 02:23.51 | blast007 | ~CBG++ |
| 02:23.57 | Flash | unleashes the FontManager refactor patch and waits for the backlash |
| 02:24.03 | Flash | blast007: meanie |
| 02:24.06 | Lukstr | Flash: :o |
| 02:27.09 | javawizard2539 | ~CBG++ |
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| 02:29.09 | CBG | ~javawizard2539-- |
| 02:29.23 | CBG | ~javawizard2539-- |
| 02:29.33 | javawizard2539 | ~cbg++ |
| 02:29.42 | CBG | ~karma javawizard2539 |
| 02:29.42 | ibot | javawizard2539 has karma of -6 |
| 02:29.42 | Lukstr | entropy at work :) |
| 02:29.58 | javawizard2539 | cbg, and i'm supposed to care... why? |
| 02:30.11 | javawizard2539 | ~cbg++ |
| 02:30.20 | CBG | I didn't say you would. |
| 02:31.21 | javawizard2539 | ~cbg++ |
| 02:31.34 | CBG | Thanks for the spam. |
| 02:31.39 | javawizard2539 | Your welcome. |
| 02:31.55 | CBG | Is anyone planning to do anything? blast007, DTRemenak... Bot spam. |
| 02:31.59 | javawizard2539 | I still owe you one for every point taken off karma |
| 02:32.03 | javawizard2539 | But I'm going to be nice |
| 02:32.24 | CBG | You don't "owe" anything you pathetic little wretch. |
| 02:32.39 | javawizard2539 | Who's spamming now? |
| 02:32.44 | Lukstr | children... |
| 02:33.17 | CBG | javawizard2539: look up the definition of spam. |
| 02:35.33 | TD-Linux | oh dear, where has all my bandwidth gone? |
| 02:39.28 | DTRemenak | where have all the flowers gone? |
| 02:41.02 | spldart | researches zune's |
| 02:42.25 | brlcad | CBG: ping -- leave the dang bot alone (or make your point in private) |
| 02:43.48 | brlcad | and you very well know that insults are not tolerated |
| 02:43.57 | CBG | brlcad: are you blind? he started spaming and pinging for no reason. |
| 02:44.05 | brlcad | i don't care |
| 02:44.07 | CBG | And you single me out... why? |
| 02:44.15 | brlcad | you caused a hell of a lot more disruption |
| 02:45.10 | CBG | roflmao |
| 02:45.21 | eTangenT | brlcad: it's what he does best. |
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| 02:47.30 | brlcad | doesn't care what he does best, it's unacceptible behavior particularly from a long-standing member that outright knows it's unacceptible |
| 02:49.02 | Ride- | i was just running a test server for my new map and i got the error that a base was not defined for Blue Team but there is a blue base in the map file |
| 02:49.08 | Ride- | and i specified |
| 02:49.09 | brlcad | jeebus, Flash ... |
| 02:49.47 | Ride- | can anyone help me |
| 02:49.53 | brlcad | it should add new files to the diff if you svn add it first |
| 02:50.20 | CBG | brlcad: I just love the double standard. Perhaps you should write a book on the topic. |
| 02:50.42 | Ride- | brlcad: are you talking to me |
| 02:52.09 | spldart | agh dude |
| 02:52.10 | brlcad | CBG: everyone plays by the same rules, querying the bot once does not a spammer make -- you instigated with your response and you are the one that crossed the line with the insult |
| 02:52.44 | CBG | once, eh? does my client lie? |
| 02:52.56 | CBG | [3:12am] <javawizard2539> ~karma CBG |
| 02:52.56 | CBG | [3:12am] <javawizard2539> ~karma |
| 02:53.02 | brlcad | let it go |
| 02:53.14 | brlcad | you are the one dragging this out, big time |
| 02:53.21 | brlcad | making it the problem |
| 02:53.23 | CBG | I don't appreciate persecution, that's all. |
| 02:53.42 | spldart | right... your persecuted |
| 02:53.57 | brlcad | yeah, it's all about you |
| 02:54.15 | javawizard2539 | Either way, I didn't know then (and I do know now) to check karma using a private message instead of the public channel |
| 02:54.16 | brlcad | seriously, enough -- let it go |
| 02:54.18 | CBG | Oh, so I insulted someone, totally unprovoked? |
| 02:54.27 | brlcad | last warning, let it go |
| 02:54.28 | javawizard2539 | It was an accident |
| 02:54.31 | javawizard2539 | Ok |
| 02:54.31 | brlcad | else leave |
| 02:54.45 | spldart | Please CBG.... just give it a rewst5 |
| 02:54.46 | CBG | I will leave if I'm to be picked on as such. |
| 02:54.49 | spldart | grr rest |
| 02:55.01 | CBG | spldart: i don't even see how your input is helping. |
| 02:55.01 | brlcad | gives spldart a rewst5 :) |
| 02:55.08 | spldart | lol |
| 02:55.13 | CBG | a hand rest, perhaps. |
| 02:55.15 | Ride- | haha |
| 02:55.26 | brlcad | rolls his eyes |
| 02:55.28 | Ride- | what are you implying by that |
| 02:55.31 | brlcad | do you just try to be offensive? |
| 02:55.57 | brlcad | hypothetical question, we're still at "let it go" |
| 02:55.58 | javawizard2539 | I apologise for checking karma on a public channel. |
| 02:55.59 | CBG | http://www.oucs.ox.ac.uk/enable/images/wrist-rest1.jpg |
| 02:56.02 | javawizard2539 | There, can we let it go now? |
| 02:56.09 | CBG | It can help with typing and related injuries. |
| 02:56.10 | javawizard2539 | *apologize |
| 02:56.21 | Ride- | dude |
| 02:56.24 | CBG | javawizard2539: no need to correct that at all |
| 02:56.26 | Ride- | are you kidding me |
| 02:56.45 | CBG | It was a joke. A play on words. A pun. |
| 02:56.46 | spldart | Troll |
| 02:57.04 | *** mode/#bzflag [+o spldart] by ChanServ |
| 02:57.25 | javawizard2539 | Guys, let's drop it |
| 02:57.25 | Ride- | what does operator staus mean? |
| 02:57.34 | CBG | What's that supposed to mean, spldart? |
| 02:57.38 | javawizard2539 | Admin |
| 02:57.47 | javawizard2539 | You can kick people, ban people, and a host of other stuff |
| 02:57.53 | CBG | I actually let it drop and made a joke to lighten the mood. What's your problem? |
| 02:57.58 | spldart | Don't worry about it. Guy |
| 02:58.01 | CBG | javawizard2539: dude, wtf? |
| 02:58.04 | javawizard2539 | The people with @s next to their names are operators |
| 02:58.09 | javawizard2539 | I'm talking to Ride- |
| 02:58.34 | Ride- | javawizard2539: PM |
| 02:58.46 | javawizard2539 | Why is everyone picking on me now? |
| 02:59.00 | CBG | exactly. geez. |
| 02:59.09 | spldart | Ok... This has gone TOO far. |
| 02:59.36 | spldart | Please stop the uncessary exchange |
| 02:59.51 | Ride- | wonders how this all started |
| 03:00.04 | javawizard2539 | It started with me doing ~karma CBG |
| 03:00.04 | brlcad | Ride-: don't worry about it -- what was your question? |
| 03:00.15 | javawizard2539 | He was wondering what operator status is |
| 03:00.20 | CBG | bot abuse. |
| 03:00.53 | Flash | brlcad: I didn't know I could svn add so I didn't try... |
| 03:01.09 | CBG | I'm wondering how the mention of a hand/wrist rest can be taken as an insult by anyone. |
| 03:02.11 | spldart | You are being a negative factor in an otherwise productively oriented channel. Please! |
| 03:02.35 | brlcad | good grief |
| 03:02.53 | JBdiGriz | It must be Friday |
| 03:02.55 | CBG | Such productivity! I merely stated what I was wondering, as others had. |
| 03:03.15 | Flash | the DEVINFO file says to post new files, so I did..... |
| 03:04.47 | *** kick/#bzflag [CBG!n=sean@pdpc/supporter/silver/brlcad] by brlcad (and you just don't know when to stfu, seriously! you're the one perpetuating this.) |
| 03:04.49 | *** join/#bzflag CBG (n=CBG@about/essy/fan/CBG) |
| 03:06.30 | brlcad | Flash: yeah, those were the rules for CVS .. you couldn't make cvs diff's with new files |
| 03:06.45 | brlcad | with svn, though, I believe you finally can even as anon |
| 03:06.57 | Flash | you are correct. Updated patch uploaded |
| 03:07.00 | brlcad | at least, give it a try -- would be good to check that to be sure |
| 03:07.02 | Lukstr | brlcad: yeah you can with svn |
| 03:07.06 | brlcad | cool, thought so |
| 03:07.17 | brlcad | new you could as dev, wasn't sure as anon |
| 03:07.33 | Lukstr | you just can't submit the code |
| 03:07.38 | Lukstr | you can mess with the local co though |
| 03:07.41 | brlcad | that goodness :) |
| 03:07.52 | javawizard2539 | Basically, anything goes except for svn commit |
| 03:07.53 | brlcad | gets two e-mails for every file attached |
| 03:08.04 | CBG | I merely explained that I was saying what I was wondering. Others did. Were they kicked? Did others get warned? Does anyone get warned for bot abuse which everyone knows is very much breaking the rules? No. |
| 03:08.05 | Lukstr | javawizard2539: exactly, well |
| 03:08.10 | Lukstr | ci, rm, etc :P |
| 03:08.19 | Flash | wow. you are double special |
| 03:08.19 | javawizard2539 | and some commands run with svn:// or https:// urls, namely move, copy, delete, etc |
| 03:08.30 | javawizard2539 | rm works on local copy, but yeah, I get your point |
| 03:08.45 | brlcad | CBG: exactly my point about not being able to let it go, perpetuating this for you own ego |
| 03:09.01 | javawizard2539 | I'll apologize again if it's necessary |
| 03:09.05 | CBG | At least I'm not a persecutor. |
| 03:09.05 | *** mode/#bzflag [+b CBG!*@*] by brlcad |
| 03:09.35 | brlcad | so, what were we actually talk about of value? |
| 03:09.39 | JBdiGriz | Help, help, I'm being repressed! |
| 03:09.43 | brlcad | oh yes, svn |
| 03:09.45 | spldart | heh |
| 03:09.54 | spldart | I, LOVE, svn |
| 03:10.12 | Flash | ~svn++ |
| 03:10.21 | Lukstr | hehe |
| 03:10.39 | javawizard2539 | random question, what mode does +b do? I couldn't find anything on freenode about it |
| 03:11.08 | brlcad | javawizard2539: not really "anything" -- lots of commands access the repo |
| 03:11.19 | javawizard2539 | huh? |
| 03:11.23 | javawizard2539 | I mean on IRC |
| 03:11.26 | brlcad | svn commands |
| 03:11.36 | javawizard2539 | Oh, I get what you're saying |
| 03:11.40 | AAA_awright | Git is better! |
| 03:11.43 | JBdiGriz | javawizard2539: http://freenode.net/using_the_network.shtml |
| 03:11.55 | javawizard2539 | Anything that writes to the repo doesn't work, but anything that mods the local copy does |
| 03:11.57 | Lukstr | AAA_awright: not really. |
| 03:11.59 | Think_Differentl | git messed up. svn hasn't. |
| 03:12.07 | AAA_awright | Git is amazing. |
| 03:12.17 | Lukstr | Git is an airplane, svn is a train. |
| 03:12.20 | javawizard2539 | Oh, it's a mode on channel. I missed that, looking at user modes instead :) |
| 03:12.30 | brlcad | git sucks in many ways, even for distributed scm, there are better systems |
| 03:12.38 | javawizard2539 | ~svn++ |
| 03:12.51 | brlcad | otherwise it's a holy war in search for a discussion that is ultimately pointless |
| 03:12.57 | spldart | ~svn++ |
| 03:13.21 | spldart | it's not important java ;-) |
| 03:13.27 | AAA_awright | It's not like I am bashing SVN or something, I am just saying, something like Git would suit BZFlag much better |
| 03:14.18 | Lukstr | AAA_awright: really? I think svn is perfect |
| 03:14.19 | brlcad | the social implications of most distributed scm systems would be horrible for a relatively small community like bzflag's |
| 03:14.27 | Think_Differentl | Git /is/ like an airplane. When something goes wrong, it takes out everything within a mile radius, and theres no hope. |
| 03:14.28 | Lukstr | GIT is better for something like Ubuntu |
| 03:14.38 | Lukstr | Think_Differentl: you get it too :) |
| 03:15.13 | purple_cow | git isn't anything like that |
| 03:15.26 | purple_cow | it has a huge safety net, it just *looks* scary |
| 03:16.09 | brlcad | yeah, @ss does look scary :) |
| 03:16.30 | spldart | wow.. heh |
| 03:16.32 | brlcad | goatse fts! |
| 03:16.40 | spldart | 8-0 |
| 03:17.05 | brlcad | er, gitse :) |
| 03:17.10 | spldart | runs away cuz tubgirl or heaven forbid rick roll could be next |
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| 03:17.43 | brlcad | takes a bite out of hamburger |
| 03:18.07 | javawizard2539 | um, go easy on the languag |
| 03:18.27 | spldart | ? |
| 03:18.44 | javawizard2539 | yeah, ___ does look scary |
| 03:18.51 | AAA_awright | Lukstr: A centralized system only helps the developers. |
| 03:18.53 | javawizard2539 | about 10 lines up |
| 03:18.53 | brlcad | my donkey is offended at your interpretation |
| 03:19.11 | javawizard2539 | Ok, I admit i'm rather conservative |
| 03:19.13 | AAA_awright | Patches are fine and all, but it makes it hard. |
| 03:19.18 | spldart | hrm |
| 03:19.23 | spldart | convince me |
| 03:19.31 | javawizard2539 | But I am offended by it, but whatever |
| 03:19.40 | brlcad | nods |
| 03:20.04 | Lukstr | javawizard2539: I truly mean no offense, but remind me never to drink with you :D |
| 03:20.06 | brlcad | no offense intended of course, just a partial kneejerk reaction to git zealotry |
| 03:20.38 | javawizard2539 | Lukstr, I'm LDS, so it wouldn't happen anyway :) |
| 03:20.58 | Lukstr | Ahhhh |
| 03:21.01 | Lukstr | Perfect |
| 03:21.09 | javawizard2539 | Probably explains my conservative nature |
| 03:21.15 | Lukstr | I'm humanist |
| 03:21.16 | Lukstr | ;) |
| 03:21.46 | brlcad | you mean you're on lsd and dyslexic ? ouch |
| 03:22.06 | Flash | spldart: you made me google tubgirl.... you have an oddly sad eclectic existence |
| 03:22.14 | Lukstr | Flash: I'm so sorry. |
| 03:22.18 | Think_Differentl | heh |
| 03:22.18 | Lukstr | gives Flash a cupcake. |
| 03:22.38 | Flash | so I'm the only one who didn't know about it? |
| 03:22.42 | Lukstr | Flash: at least BZFlag doesn't support user-imagery :D |
| 03:22.43 | brlcad | apparently so |
| 03:22.52 | Flash | has an oddly sad sheltered existence |
| 03:23.36 | brlcad | that can be a good thing when it comes to the most disturbing images that burn themselves into your brain for life |
| 03:23.40 | AAA_awright | SO |
| 03:24.00 | AAA_awright | Comments on this web page: http://aaa.busyflag.org/page/Main_Page |
| 03:25.00 | Think_Differentl | I still have the bug that causes firefox to use 100% of the CPU when scrolling. >_< |
| 03:25.08 | brlcad | yeah, noticed it's not drupal :) |
| 03:25.20 | Think_Differentl | It seems to only occur when there are static images present. |
| 03:25.28 | AAA_awright | Think_Differentl: I took it out, but it ruins the background :( |
| 03:25.37 | Think_Differentl | :( |
| 03:25.49 | AAA_awright | I could try something different for the meantime... |
| 03:26.14 | Constitution | AAA_awright: some consistency in the fonts would be nice |
| 03:26.23 | AAA_awright | Eheh, yeah |
| 03:26.40 | AAA_awright | brlcad: That is a good thing? I think that there needs to be one system, linking between the website and wiki has gotten too confusing |
| 03:26.42 | Lukstr | AAA_awright: aye, the font in the "What is BZFlag" is the prettiest |
| 03:27.01 | AAA_awright | I'll switch to that |
| 03:27.15 | Lukstr | at least, very readable on my machine |
| 03:27.28 | brlcad | also, don't like the menu and don't like that the three boxes are different sizes (and they're out of order) |
| 03:28.31 | AAA_awright | Helvetica, it looks like |
| 03:28.31 | Constitution | I fail to see why linking "between" the website and wiki has become confusing |
| 03:28.31 | Constitution | the content of each will be distinct from the other |
| 03:28.31 | AAA_awright | It's a UI issue |
| 03:28.45 | brlcad | yeah, the can be integrated seamlessly, I do it on other sites without a problem |
| 03:28.53 | AAA_awright | And a website issue. What division is the content on? |
| 03:29.13 | AAA_awright | Also, the URL's are more constant on MediaWiki I think |
| 03:29.26 | AAA_awright | But I am a bit biased. |
| 03:29.32 | Constitution | drupal can do it too |
| 03:29.58 | AAA_awright | URL's that are not numbers? |
| 03:30.13 | Constitution | yes |
| 03:30.20 | Constitution | I forget what it's called |
| 03:30.24 | Think_Differentl | I don't think the bzflag.org site is as bad as everyone thinks. |
| 03:30.50 | AAA_awright | Useable for some people does not mean good by any stretch |
| 03:31.08 | Constitution | it's not really usable |
| 03:31.21 | Constitution | the one reason to go there is for announcements |
| 03:31.26 | Constitution | for the regulars, anyway |
| 03:31.53 | brlcad | Think_Differentl: your name suits you :) |
| 03:33.11 | AAA_awright | Constitution: Yeah. For that, MediaWiki doesn't do news great, but you can do it, as Wikipedia and Wikinews have shown. |
| 03:33.31 | Constitution | right |
| 03:34.03 | javawizard2539 | Just to put in my two cents, I would tend to side with AAA_awright |
| 03:34.10 | javawizard2539 | I think MW looks better |
| 03:34.38 | Constitution | *looks* better? |
| 03:34.47 | Constitution | the theme is practically the same, from what I see |
| 03:34.53 | javawizard2539 | *More consistant |
| 03:34.58 | AAA_awright | The default template. Keep in mind I created a new template from Winny's Busyflag |
| 03:34.59 | javawizard2539 | Ack, I can't spell right |
| 03:35.07 | Constitution | right |
| 03:35.16 | Constitution | so they should look very similar, which they do :) |
| 03:35.19 | AAA_awright | Wikimedia encourages better practices, I think is the point |
| 03:36.05 | javawizard2539 | Although the main page for BZFlag loads much quicker than the wiki |
| 03:36.18 | javawizard2539 | Something I've noticed on Wikipedia as well. |
| 03:36.22 | AAA_awright | Which Wiki? My Wiki is being hosted from my home computer. |
| 03:36.44 | javawizard2539 | Comparing http://bzflag.org and http://my.bzflag.org/w/Main_Page |
| 03:36.52 | javawizard2539 | http://bzflag.org loads much faster |
| 03:37.16 | AAA_awright | Even though MediaWiki is pretty aggressive about caching |
| 03:37.19 | brlcad | they can be made to look identical, that is not a consideration in the least |
| 03:37.19 | Lukstr | javawizard2539: no doubt the wiki page is bloated far more than the regular one |
| 03:37.29 | javawizard2539 | Exactly |
| 03:37.36 | javawizard2539 | So I'm neutral |
| 03:38.07 | AAA_awright | The Wiki page has what, twice the images to load? |
| 03:38.24 | javawizard2539 | Idk |
| 03:38.31 | javawizard2539 | btw, how do I get my karma back up? |
| 03:38.51 | AAA_awright | Hm, the content takes longer to load too |
| 03:38.56 | Lukstr | have you guys looked at trac? |
| 03:39.10 | AAA_awright | I don't care for it |
| 03:42.13 | AAA_awright | It tries to put too much all into one... |
| 03:42.30 | Lukstr | just throwin it out there |
| 03:42.32 | Lukstr | seemed like a neat idea |
| 03:42.34 | *** part/#bzflag a_temp_dist (n=temporal@about/essy/alarming/a-temp-dist) |
| 03:42.45 | AAA_awright | It works great for the stuff it works for, I don't believe that includes BZFlag |
| 03:43.28 | Lukstr | man, I think SVN and MediaWiki should be one |
| 03:43.41 | Lukstr | So that there's a "page" for each file |
| 03:43.44 | AAA_awright | Somone could make a Special:SVN page or something |
| 03:43.45 | Lukstr | with discussion, etc. |
| 03:43.52 | brlcad | for what it's worth, comparing http://bzflag.org and http://my.bzflag.org/w/Main_Page are drastically different -- prior is 131k downloading in about 3.5s on average, latter is 249k downloading in about 5s on average |
| 03:44.08 | brlcad | data-wise alone, not an even comparison |
| 03:44.19 | AAA_awright | breaks out ab |
| 03:44.35 | javawizard2539 | Right |
| 03:44.40 | javawizard2539 | I was talking about speed mostly |
| 03:44.53 | javawizard2539 | bzflag.org is much faster than my.bzflag.org/w |
| 03:45.01 | AAA_awright | Not to DoS the server, put the ban hammer down brlcad ;) |
| 03:45.16 | brlcad | which is to be expected with 131k and 249k respectively |
| 03:45.16 | javawizard2539 | Huh? |
| 03:45.19 | Lukstr | curses at the internet, keeping him from studying. |
| 03:45.35 | brlcad | datawise, m.b.o is delivering more data in less time on average |
| 03:45.47 | javawizard2539 | bzflag.org is more like 1 second for me, but the wiki is more like 5 or more |
| 03:46.01 | Lukstr | javawizard2539: there's more content to download |
| 03:46.10 | brlcad | that doesn't really sound scientific :) |
| 03:46.14 | Lukstr | :P |
| 03:46.18 | brlcad | used a meter |
| 03:46.25 | Lukstr | webometer? |
| 03:47.05 | brlcad | no |
| 03:47.06 | AAA_awright | It took 16 times longer to load MediaWiki then the website. |
| 03:47.13 | AAA_awright | Interesting, at best. |
| 03:47.21 | javawizard2539 | That sounds about right |
| 03:47.40 | javawizard2539 | MediaWiki uses more connections to the server than bzflag.org does |
| 03:47.51 | AAA_awright | This is just the web page, no images |
| 03:47.53 | brlcad | try someting like "time wget -p url" |
| 03:48.07 | javawizard2539 | I meant in the browser |
| 03:48.14 | javawizard2539 | I'll do some tests with Firebug and get back. |
| 03:48.32 | AAA_awright | mean 661ms this time, median 617ms |
| 03:48.33 | brlcad | no need -- the point is you're comparing two very different things |
| 03:48.35 | Lukstr|Laptop | bang! |
| 03:48.44 | Lukstr | :P |
| 03:48.45 | brlcad | the data-quantities alone |
| 03:48.56 | brlcad | what is it that you're actually trying to compare? |
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| 03:49.44 | javawizard2539 | 1.26 seconds for bzflag.org, 11.83 seconds for my.bzflag.org/w |
| 03:49.57 | AAA_awright | >_> |
| 03:50.06 | spldart | <_< |
| 03:50.07 | AAA_awright | Keep in mind, they are different servers, too |
| 03:50.29 | AAA_awright | bzflag.org is at sf.net, my.bzflag.org is a dedicated server |
| 03:50.33 | brlcad | different servers, different scalability, different locations |
| 03:50.58 | AAA_awright | the sf.net servers can take much more activity |
| 03:51.00 | javawizard2539 | The most time for a page was taken up by MediaWiki:common.css and MediaWiki:monobook.js |
| 03:51.36 | Lukstr | AAA_awright: even so, my.bzflag.org responds faster than bzflag.org for me |
| 03:51.37 | Lukstr | anyways |
| 03:51.38 | Lukstr | night all |
| 03:51.49 | brlcad | still, reality check -- what are you profiling it FOR? |
| 03:52.05 | AAA_awright | Minimizing load time, keep it under 1/4 second |
| 03:53.14 | spldart | What Lukstr said |
| 03:53.16 | brlcad | then the usual starting point would be to minimize the data and file loads first, not comparisons |
| 03:53.40 | spldart | Nighty night |
| 03:54.04 | AAA_awright | I don't think anyone was seriously comparing anything |
| 03:54.18 | javawizard2539 | So if anyone wants to see, I uploaded an image of the profile info for mw to www.trivergia.com/bzwiki.ong |
| 03:54.27 | javawizard2539 | www.trivergia.com/bzwiki.png |
| 03:54.32 | brlcad | other than to note that the current wiki page is nearly twice as much data as current main page (not that the wiki page is the new template being proposed either..) |
| 03:54.51 | javawizard2539 | Although it takes much more time for each byte |
| 03:59.57 | AAA_awright | So the group manager is incomplete, at best |
| 04:09.58 | AAA_awright | I just broke the list server test into two areas, a machine area at /db/ and a user area for regular web browsers at /cp/ |
| 04:11.03 | AAA_awright | Hopefully the group manager, single sign on control panel, and browser-friendly server list will be integrated into /cp/ |
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| 04:20.51 | AAA_awright | Constitution: I want to try out making the group manager into a larger control panel for user accounts, looking at the server list, logging into the website, etc. |
| 04:21.17 | AAA_awright | brlcad: You were looking at custom url handlers, right? How far did you get? |
| 04:23.04 | AAA_awright | I would like to see BZFlag be able to handle a url like bzflag://user@server:port/team or something. Additional paramaters like ?solo=5, ?list=http://example.com/evil-password-grabbing-server (or maybe not...) |
| 04:24.12 | AAA_awright | Maybe prompt a confirmation, "Connect to xxx:yyy (Press Enter, or F12 to quit)" |
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| 04:32.14 | AAA_awright | I got the single-sign-on login/logout pages moved into the group manager, which is nice. |
| 04:32.35 | AAA_awright | It is not "most gorgeous login screen you have ever seen", but getting closer :) |
| 04:32.47 | AAA_awright | http://aaa.busyflag.org/cp/login.php?redir=%2Fcp%2F |
| 04:34.28 | AAA_awright | Well, later everyone. |
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| 06:19.32 | Constitution | AAA_awright: oh my gosh, it's gorgeous! |
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| 06:48.57 | javawizard2539 | wow, 2 and 1/2 hours with only 1 line of conversation |
| 06:49.53 | brlcad | yup, happens |
| 06:50.28 | brlcad | finishes the snazzy auto-calculating master evaluation spreadsheet |
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| 06:53.17 | Manu | brlcad: auto-calculating master evaluation? :) |
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| 06:54.27 | javawizard2539 | Another question. F and MG are pretty much the same thing. What's the point in both of them? |
| 06:55.11 | brlcad | Manu: sending out the invite in a few min |
| 06:55.28 | Manu | :) |
| 06:55.51 | javawizard2539 | And is the SF.net feature enhancements tracker still in use? |
| 06:56.00 | brlcad | yup |
| 06:56.13 | brlcad | just doesn't get a whole lot of love when we're busy |
| 06:56.14 | javawizard2539 | There's been like maybe 8 posts in the last year or so |
| 06:56.19 | javawizard2539 | Ok |
| 06:56.45 | javawizard2539 | I have a few suggestions which I'm not going to implement myself yet because JeffM said we're supposed to work on bugs instead of new features right now |
| 06:56.49 | javawizard2539 | Which I can understand |
| 06:58.18 | brlcad | right, we're trying to stabilize for release |
| 06:58.33 | brlcad | LONG overdue |
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| 08:04.58 | mib_v4migp | pacman87: any idea how to solve "ShotStatistics.obj : error LNK2019: unresolved external symbol "public: int __thiscall ShotStatistics::getTotalHit(void)const " (?getTotalHit@ShotStatistics@@QBEHXZ) referenced in function "public: int __thiscall ShotStatistics::getTotalPerc(void)const " (?getTotalPerc@ShotStatistics@@QBEHXZ)"? |
| 08:07.34 | mib_v4migp | whjat does unresolved external symbol mean? |
| 08:08.28 | mib_v4migp | http://mibbit.com/pb/BadVFC hm |
| 08:10.13 | brlcad | means you probably shouldn't be attempting to compile the code without several tutorials :) |
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| 08:18.43 | mib_v4migp | i get that a lot ;) |
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| 08:37.18 | Constitution | ~nickometer miv_v4migp |
| 08:41.36 | L4m3r | ibot's nickometer is busted |
| 08:41.43 | L4m3r | ~nickometer L4m3r |
| 08:41.50 | L4m3r | clearly something is wrong there |
| 08:42.10 | mib_v4migp | hi L4m3R |
| 08:45.42 | mib_v4migp | how do i solve ShotStatistics.obj : error LNK2019: unresolved external symbol "public: int __thiscall ShotStatistics::getTotalHit(void)const " (?getTotalHit@ShotStatistics@@QBEHXZ) referenced in function "public: int __thiscall ShotStatistics::getTotalPerc(void)const " (?getTotalPerc@ShotStatistics@@QBEHXZ) |
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| 11:51.34 | donny_baker | ~seen tannerld |
| 11:51.35 | ibot | tannerld <n=tanner@adsl-068-209-251-067.sip.asm.bellsouth.net> was last seen on IRC in channel #bzflag, 33d 14h 2m 51s ago, saying: 'Break Ze Flag'. |
| 11:52.15 | whodaman- | lol |
| 11:52.20 | whodaman- | o.O 33d |
| 11:52.43 | donny_baker | yeah, that is a long time.. it's his bday today |
| 11:52.52 | donny_baker | i think |
| 11:54.00 | whodaman- | :o |
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| 15:54.32 | JeffM | DvO, did you do a patch yet? |
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| 15:55.02 | Lukstr|Laptop | waves |
| 15:56.08 | JeffM | hello |
| 15:56.44 | Lukstr|Laptop | good morning |
| 15:59.19 | Lukstr|Laptop | how goes it? |
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| 16:01.27 | JeffM | it goes |
| 16:01.58 | Lukstr|Laptop | :) |
| 16:02.39 | Lukstr|Laptop | glad to hear it |
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| 16:09.06 | Lukstr|Laptop | I wonder if I left my speakers on at home |
| 16:09.14 | Lukstr|Laptop | Lukstr, ping! |
| 16:09.24 | whodaman- | Lukstr, pong! |
| 16:09.44 | Lukstr|Laptop | hah |
| 16:09.54 | Lukstr|Laptop | yep, roommate heard the beep |
| 16:10.27 | Lukstr|Laptop | I just realized that I ripped my headphones out when I ran to catch the bus, and when you unplug them the speakers go on, and they're set to Very Loud |
| 16:12.40 | Lukstr|Laptop | someone needs to invent a system that injects hot coffee down your throat when you sleep, then wakes you up |
| 16:13.31 | blast007 | down your throat? nah, just a straight IV! |
| 16:14.19 | Lukstr|Laptop | but then you gotta pull the IV out |
| 16:14.26 | Lukstr|Laptop | and worry about hitting the vein and all that business |
| 16:14.36 | blast007 | it has wheels! you can just pull it along behind you |
| 16:14.37 | Lukstr|Laptop | maybe just a syringe automatically injected into your neck |
| 16:14.40 | Lukstr|Laptop | haha |
| 16:15.24 | JeffM | ibot seen kibiz0r |
| 16:15.26 | ibot | kibiz0r <n=Kibiz0r@c-71-205-121-146.hsd1.mi.comcast.net> was last seen on IRC in channel #bzflag, 11d 16h 43m 39s ago, saying: 'brlcad: Unless you provide code with your application?'. |
| 16:15.41 | JeffM | ibot seen jclardy88 |
| 16:15.42 | ibot | i haven't seen 'jclardy88', JeffM |
| 16:15.58 | Lukstr|Laptop | JeffM, applicants? |
| 16:16.15 | Lukstr|Laptop | I remember kibiz0r |
| 16:16.20 | blast007 | kibiz0r is on IRC right now |
| 16:16.27 | blast007 | just not here |
| 16:16.41 | JeffM | it wasn't to find them and talk to them |
| 16:16.49 | JeffM | it was to see when there were HERE last |
| 16:16.52 | blast007 | k |
| 16:17.00 | Lukstr|Laptop | ah |
| 16:17.02 | JeffM | the fact that he's on IRC, but not here, and applied to us.. not so hot |
| 16:17.19 | Lukstr|Laptop | :S |
| 16:18.05 | JeffM | ok.. now I'm getting a little tired of evaulating list server proposals :) |
| 16:18.12 | JeffM | I don't think we got enough of them |
| 16:19.32 | Wyk3d1 | how many applications total did you get in the end ? |
| 16:19.55 | JeffM | 28 |
| 16:20.19 | Lukstr|Laptop | this year was weird, no? |
| 16:20.47 | JeffM | there were less then last year |
| 16:21.02 | Lukstr|Laptop | JeffM, seems that way all over the board from what I've seen. |
| 16:21.05 | JeffM | yeah |
| 16:21.13 | JeffM | blames easter |
| 16:21.24 | Lukstr|Laptop | I guess because they're more orgs, students were spread thinner |
| 16:21.27 | Lukstr|Laptop | yeah, and easter |
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| 16:33.21 | JeffM | Constitution, did you apply your patch? |
| 16:36.33 | JeffM | Lukstr|Laptop, what was the URL for your patch? |
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| 16:37.07 | Lukstr|Laptop | JeffM, I'm not sure how to find it now that it's been applied |
| 16:37.21 | Lukstr|Laptop | actually, just a sec |
| 16:37.24 | JeffM | yeah me nether :) |
| 16:37.30 | JeffM | I know you did it and applied it |
| 16:37.41 | JeffM | I'm just trying to make a list of them for all the other mentors |
| 16:37.44 | Lukstr|Laptop | hehe, curse that sourceforge bugtracker |
| 16:37.54 | Lukstr|Laptop | I think it emailed me so hold on |
| 16:37.56 | JeffM | I can check the history |
| 16:37.58 | JeffM | ok |
| 16:38.15 | Lukstr|Laptop | JeffM, https://sourceforge.net/tracker/?func=detail&atid=303248&aid=1935047&group_id=3248 |
| 16:38.22 | JeffM | thanks |
| 16:38.38 | Lukstr|Laptop | JeffM, in all honesty do you think I should submit another patch before "the deadline?" |
| 16:39.04 | JeffM | it is not required, but If you want to, go for it |
| 16:39.36 | JeffM | but I'd not kill yourself over it |
| 16:39.51 | Lukstr|Laptop | JeffM, roger, thanks. |
| 16:40.06 | Lukstr|Laptop | I'll see if there's something doable in a few hours tonight, otherwise I doubt time will permit |
| 16:40.09 | Lukstr|Laptop | silly exams |
| 16:40.15 | JeffM | cool |
| 16:45.04 | JeffM | needs patches from the others before he can rank them |
| 16:45.24 | BulletCatcher | At the SF tracker you can change the view to show all patches (including closed ones). |
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| 16:53.18 | Lukstr|Laptop | BulletCatcher, yeah, still funny when items move somewhere else completely |
| 16:53.22 | Lukstr|Laptop | took me a while to figure that out :P |
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| 17:01.38 | Constitution | JeffM: I haven't applied it... it looks so pretty there with all the other "open" patches. :P |
| 17:01.47 | Constitution | but I can, if you like |
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| 17:01.58 | JeffM | Constitution, what is it? |
| 17:02.18 | Constitution | it fixes a keyboard/mouse input switch issue |
| 17:02.25 | JeffM | apply it |
| 17:02.36 | Constitution | k |
| 17:02.53 | Constitution | I can do it after school |
| 17:02.56 | JeffM | cool |
| 17:03.07 | JeffM | wonder if epyon has worked on his patch anymore |
| 17:03.37 | JeffM | that's going to be funny when he finds it :) |
| 17:03.42 | Lukstr|Laptop | heh |
| 17:04.14 | JeffM | but it'll be good for him to find |
| 17:04.34 | JeffM | tho if he dosn't do it quick, I'll have to fix it myself cus we need bzdb to work |
| 17:05.00 | Erroneous | hopefully he'll not assume "the bzflag devs are too good to make that mistake" or something silly like that :) |
| 17:05.25 | JeffM | hey I'm an equal oporutnity misaker.. I'll make ANY mistake |
| 17:05.31 | JeffM | and this one is totaly my bad |
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| 17:58.56 | AAA_awright | Constitution: For the group manager, it seems best to create two seperate fields, open and hidden, and then attach the ability for users to leave to hidden. In any case, we don't want to attach "mute" or "ban" groups to the global group list. |
| 17:59.49 | Erroneous | why not? |
| 18:00.31 | JeffM | yeah why not? |
| 18:01.17 | AAA_awright | It is hardly a good thing to be attached to some group which I cannot leave even if I wanted too. If there is a need for those groups, there is something wrong on the server side, like the inability to maintain a proper ban list. |
| 18:01.59 | Erroneous | I'm not following. by that logic, it's not a good thing to have bans either? |
| 18:02.14 | AAA_awright | Not as global groups |
| 18:02.22 | JeffM | AAA_awright, that may be how the server owner wants to do it |
| 18:02.29 | JeffM | it sounds like a perfectly viable method |
| 18:02.40 | JeffM | it shuld be up to the server owner |
| 18:02.50 | JeffM | more options == good |
| 18:02.59 | JeffM | not everyone runs a server the same way you do |
| 18:03.05 | Erroneous | how is it different in a group or not? |
| 18:03.05 | AAA_awright | No, global groups are up to the account owner. Personal freedom. |
| 18:03.25 | AAA_awright | The server owner can maintain a local list if necessary. |
| 18:03.26 | Erroneous | groups are ways for server owners to classify users |
| 18:03.29 | JeffM | what "account owner" |
| 18:03.41 | Erroneous | it's not a social network |
| 18:03.42 | JeffM | yeah you as a player don't join groups, the group owners PUT you in them |
| 18:03.43 | blast007 | AAA_awright: "freedom" ? |
| 18:03.46 | AAA_awright | Me, I, the account owner, manage what groups I am a member of. |
| 18:03.52 | JeffM | AAA_awright, god no |
| 18:03.53 | Erroneous | incorrect |
| 18:03.56 | JeffM | you can't join any group you want |
| 18:04.00 | Erroneous | you can't randomly add yourself to groups |
| 18:04.02 | JeffM | you are PLACED in groups |
| 18:04.06 | AAA_awright | Obviously some are restricted |
| 18:04.12 | JeffM | ALL are restricted |
| 18:04.13 | blast007 | s/some/all/ |
| 18:04.14 | AAA_awright | (That is, most all of them) |
| 18:04.22 | JeffM | do not base it on how phpbb does it now |
| 18:04.29 | JeffM | as that is NOT how we want it to work |
| 18:04.43 | JeffM | groups are for the convinence of server owners |
| 18:04.45 | JeffM | END of story |
| 18:04.57 | AAA_awright | So you are thinking more along Unix groups then... |
| 18:04.57 | Erroneous | orgs manage the groups. users don't manage thier own group affiliations. |
| 18:05.04 | Erroneous | yeah, more like that |
| 18:05.09 | JeffM | indeed |
| 18:05.27 | Erroneous | we're providing the ability to allow users to leave groups "at will" as a convenience |
| 18:05.31 | JeffM | the PROBLEM with phpbb groups is that there is no way to lock them |
| 18:05.34 | blast007 | or more like groups in a directory system, like Active Directory or LDAP |
| 18:05.37 | JeffM | so they cant' be used for mute or ban |
| 18:05.41 | JeffM | that is a flaw |
| 18:05.49 | AAA_awright | That is a feature |
| 18:05.52 | JeffM | flaw |
| 18:05.57 | Erroneous | well it's not THE problem, it's A problem |
| 18:05.58 | blast007 | a feature of phpBB |
| 18:06.02 | AAA_awright | Such lists must be maintained locally |
| 18:06.02 | JeffM | each group should be able to be locked or open |
| 18:06.06 | Erroneous | why? |
| 18:06.27 | JeffM | right now they are all efectivly open |
| 18:06.38 | JeffM | we have no options, that is a flaw |
| 18:06.43 | AAA_awright | We have ban lists for that purpose. If there is any reason we would need groups for that, it must mean that the server cannot do something it should. |
| 18:06.47 | Erroneous | why should we force people to maintain groups locally? |
| 18:06.52 | JeffM | I'm not saying that we should not allow for open groups, but that should be the CHOICE of the group owner |
| 18:07.11 | AAA_awright | If you don't want to be in a group, join anonymously. |
| 18:07.19 | JeffM | AAA_awright, you don't join groups |
| 18:07.22 | JeffM | you are put in them |
| 18:07.23 | AAA_awright | That is the entire case right there. |
| 18:08.29 | JeffM | groups must default to only allowing the admin group for the org to add manage users |
| 18:08.41 | AAA_awright | So if I can not be in a group by joining without a password, why can't I remove a group from my account? Actually, I was saying, yeah the group manager may attach groups to you, as long as you do not know about them (hidden=1) |
| 18:08.43 | JeffM | there can be an option to make the group public |
| 18:09.12 | Erroneous | some servers require registration, AAA_awright |
| 18:09.22 | AAA_awright | To talk, maybe |
| 18:09.29 | Erroneous | there is a use case for people who are allowed to play but not to talk, for instance |
| 18:09.44 | JeffM | such as observers in a leauge game |
| 18:09.50 | JeffM | who arn't in the leauge |
| 18:10.00 | JeffM | they could join and watch, but not spawn or talk |
| 18:10.02 | Erroneous | so they are added to a group which has MUTE as well as SPAWN |
| 18:10.08 | JeffM | or that |
| 18:10.09 | JeffM | ;) |
| 18:10.23 | JeffM | the best case is the mofo use of the COPPA group |
| 18:10.33 | JeffM | COPPA can not spawn or talk |
| 18:10.36 | JeffM | because they don't want them |
| 18:10.48 | JeffM | and that is a totaly valid use of a global group |
| 18:10.58 | AAA_awright | I think that is an entirely different case, but I'll look over some more cases. |
| 18:11.05 | AAA_awright | (The league groups) |
| 18:11.39 | JeffM | I'm not sure why you even need to think about it more, 3 developers have told you that your current idea is not how we want it to work.... |
| 18:12.07 | Erroneous | it's fine to think about it, and discuss it even |
| 18:12.16 | AAA_awright | I'm not saying to do it any one way for sure yet, (Even if it sounds like it), I am trying different things out |
| 18:12.32 | Erroneous | right, that's perfectly valid |
| 18:12.54 | Erroneous | but I think there are use cases you haven't been considering |
| 18:12.54 | JeffM | I'm just saying don't limit the system to the cases that you think are valid, allow for the max amount of options. |
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| 18:14.14 | donny_baker | AAA_awright: i have a perfect use case for a "ban" group |
| 18:14.22 | JeffM | pokes DvO to get his patch done ;) |
| 18:14.53 | donny_baker | we have multiple servers a ban group woul make it so I don't have to build some sort of banlist repliaction system |
| 18:15.12 | JeffM | yeah gives you a good ID ban across machiens |
| 18:15.18 | donny_baker | we can't do that now because the user can opt out |
| 18:15.29 | JeffM | do you require reg? |
| 18:15.36 | donny_baker | exactly |
| 18:15.51 | donny_baker | JeffM: not yet, but we have tried several times |
| 18:16.11 | Erroneous | without requiring reg, you still need banlist replication for ip bans anyway |
| 18:16.18 | JeffM | so if the client had better in game reg, you'd probably have better luck with it |
| 18:16.24 | blast007 | if we get in-game registration, that could be made a bit easier to go reg-only |
| 18:16.27 | JeffM | yeah |
| 18:16.37 | blast007 | whoops, I'm too slow ;) |
| 18:16.50 | JeffM | knows blast007 has his back |
| 18:17.02 | Erroneous | if we have a web api for registration the client part can be done, just let me know when. |
| 18:17.16 | Erroneous | but I ain't gonna screen scrape phpbb :) |
| 18:17.42 | blast007 | yeah, I wouldn't want to do it while phpBB is used for auth/reg |
| 18:18.03 | JeffM | we coudl do it with phpbb, but we'd want to abastract it out to a reg page, so the backend could change |
| 18:18.16 | blast007 | JeffM: it could be "fun" |
| 18:18.24 | JeffM | I don't think it'd be that bad |
| 18:18.26 | blast007 | I've done it before, some years ago |
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| 18:18.38 | JeffM | it woudl be a hack that's for sure |
| 18:18.39 | ducktapebz | hi |
| 18:18.43 | JeffM | hello |
| 18:18.49 | blast007 | basically was just a matter of finding the code that inserts the users and stuff, and copying that into a new script |
| 18:18.56 | ducktapebz | jeffm, i have a question |
| 18:18.56 | JeffM | yeah |
| 18:19.02 | JeffM | ducktapebz, go for it |
| 18:19.19 | ducktapebz | Would it be possible to have BZAdmin run on like a webpage? |
| 18:19.25 | ducktapebz | like flash? |
| 18:19.32 | JeffM | with lots of work, sure |
| 18:19.46 | ducktapebz | what would it take? |
| 18:19.57 | JeffM | writing bzadmin as a webservice |
| 18:20.00 | JeffM | there are many ways to do it |
| 18:20.07 | JeffM | but basicly you'd be writing it again |
| 18:20.13 | JeffM | it's not smthing you can just "set up" |
| 18:20.17 | JeffM | it would be a new project |
| 18:20.19 | ducktapebz | heh, like C++? or is there something else? |
| 18:20.42 | Lukstr|Laptop | ducktapebz, why flash |
| 18:20.43 | JeffM | in fact we got 4 applications for SOC to do just that |
| 18:20.48 | blast007 | you *could* technically do a hack and have it run the bzadmin binary in stdboth mode, and have PHP or some other language pass the stdin/stdout back and forth |
| 18:20.52 | JeffM | ducktapebz, there are many ways to do it |
| 18:21.09 | ducktapebz | Would it be very hard to learn how? |
| 18:21.17 | JeffM | that's a loaded question |
| 18:21.22 | blast007 | ducktapebz: how much about programming do you already know? :P |
| 18:21.28 | JeffM | yeah |
| 18:21.30 | ducktapebz | none what so ever |
| 18:21.30 | Erroneous | I'll go for "yes" |
| 18:21.31 | ducktapebz | :p |
| 18:21.37 | blast007 | Erroneous: hehe |
| 18:21.43 | JeffM | I mean it's like saying "how hard is it to learn how to paint a portrait"? |
| 18:21.44 | ducktapebz | but i'm gonna take a C++ class |
| 18:21.48 | blast007 | ducktapebz: then you should start on something easier |
| 18:21.49 | JeffM | ok |
| 18:21.55 | ducktapebz | alright well what do you mean by SOC? |
| 18:22.00 | JeffM | Summer Of Code |
| 18:22.01 | ducktapebz | ok blast |
| 18:22.03 | ducktapebz | oh |
| 18:22.05 | ducktapebz | i see |
| 18:22.21 | ducktapebz | ahh can we finish this later? i have a hairbut to go to |
| 18:22.25 | JeffM | in 3.0 you could do it as a HTTP plugin to BZFS :) |
| 18:22.27 | ducktapebz | hiarcut* |
| 18:22.31 | ducktapebz | haircut* |
| 18:22.33 | ducktapebz | lol |
| 18:22.36 | blast007 | sure, we'll be here later |
| 18:22.37 | Lukstr|Laptop | third time's a charm |
| 18:22.41 | ducktapebz | lol |
| 18:22.43 | ducktapebz | thanks |
| 18:22.46 | ducktapebz | i'll be back later |
| 18:22.51 | blast007 | cya |
| 18:22.54 | JeffM | ducktapebz, basicly you are asking about an advanced topic with out knowing the baseics |
| 18:22.56 | JeffM | have fun |
| 18:23.02 | ducktapebz | okay |
| 18:23.04 | ducktapebz | thanks |
| 18:23.06 | ducktapebz | bye |
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| 18:23.57 | JeffM | well that's all the apps I can rank with out getting patchs :/ |
| 18:25.20 | Lukstr|Laptop | JeffM, any more comments comin' out? |
| 18:25.26 | JeffM | nope |
| 18:25.32 | Lukstr|Laptop | :O |
| 18:25.37 | JeffM | right now it's just prety much get yer patches in |
| 18:25.57 | Lukstr|Laptop | I'm assuming my proposal is ace then ;) |
| 18:26.04 | JeffM | more comments would just be bugging to those that haven't responed, and they have had a coupel days |
| 18:26.16 | JeffM | I do not need any more info on your project |
| 18:26.23 | JeffM | and I think others are ok with yours as well |
| 18:27.14 | JeffM | I'm just waiting on patches from talorKillian, kibiz0r,jclardy88,epyon,mayb, and Dv0 |
| 18:28.07 | JeffM | the rest of them I've ether ranked, or won't mentor |
| 18:28.59 | Lukstr|Laptop | ah, okay |
| 18:29.23 | JeffM | like I'm not qualified to mentor for the integrated BZFS web interface |
| 18:29.32 | Lukstr|Laptop | I'm just paranoid :P |
| 18:29.34 | JeffM | even tho oddly I did write the internal HTTP server |
| 18:29.36 | Lukstr|Laptop | hehe |
| 18:30.42 | Erroneous | is amused that the people at the top of the list always seem to be the ones that are all worried about whether they'll be accepted or not :) |
| 18:33.21 | Lukstr|Laptop | Life would be less interesting were that not the case |
| 18:35.09 | Lukstr|Laptop | Anyone know when we get to shoot a mentor? :P |
| 18:36.32 | Erroneous | need to ask brlcad about that one :) |
| 18:37.31 | donny_baker | i'm ready to go... :P |
| 18:37.59 | Lukstr|Laptop | heh |
| 18:47.09 | Manu | Lukstr|Laptop: be patient :) |
| 18:47.50 | Lukstr|Laptop | Manu, yessir, I've got exams so I'm very patient these days |
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| 19:14.30 | catay | I found out what the difference in bantime in a idban/ban list causes |
| 19:14.40 | catay | but i'm not sure how to fix it in a good way |
| 19:14.49 | catay | it's in AccessControlList.cxx at line 500 |
| 19:14.53 | catay | it's a rounding issue |
| 19:15.55 | catay | I also wonder if it's even a good idea to also do a bzid ban with /ban |
| 19:16.58 | catay | admins do often a /unban but forget to do also an /unidban |
| 19:17.12 | Manu | catay: silly admins only ;) |
| 19:17.27 | catay | maybe :) |
| 19:17.30 | catay | hello manu :) |
| 19:17.36 | Manu | hi catay :) |
| 19:18.00 | Manu | and it's /idunban IIRC :) |
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| 19:18.11 | catay | yah :p |
| 19:18.14 | tonyb486 | "World cache files disappeared. Join cancelled" Whats that |
| 19:18.16 | catay | see, it's confussing :) |
| 19:18.36 | tonyb486 | Trying to play off a portable HD |
| 19:18.39 | a_meteorite | Manu: many don't know a new fangled thing called bzid bans even exist |
| 19:19.07 | Manu | a_meteorite: they are non qualified admins :) |
| 19:19.30 | blast007 | tonyb486: are you trying to use -confdir and/or -config ? |
| 19:19.35 | a_meteorite | 'Course |
| 19:19.57 | tonyb486 | No |
| 19:20.01 | Manu | a_meteorite: probably you are not talking about true admins, just some kids running a server :) |
| 19:20.06 | tonyb486 | In windows |
| 19:20.13 | a_meteorite | still admins nonetheless |
| 19:20.14 | catay | Manu: any idea what the best fix would be ? |
| 19:20.21 | a_meteorite | But I try to stay away from those, they don't have a clue about anything |
| 19:20.41 | Manu | catay: I haven't the code here :/ |
| 19:20.46 | blast007 | tonyb486: how are you launching the client? |
| 19:20.47 | catay | because the idbantime is 1 minute off |
| 19:20.48 | a_meteorite | They usually rant about how you cheat somehow, lag more then them, or whatnot and so forth |
| 19:20.53 | catay | compared to the bantime |
| 19:20.53 | tonyb486 | blast007: Clicking the exe |
| 19:20.59 | tonyb486 | I'm on a public computer |
| 19:21.12 | a_meteorite | blast007: Could his cache files be corrupt? |
| 19:21.19 | Manu | catay: as you said, a float issue or a wrong parsing, dunno |
| 19:21.25 | a_meteorite | I think I recall that happening before |
| 19:21.30 | Manu | yes |
| 19:21.37 | blast007 | tonyb486: you probably can't run the game then. We need to be able to write to the My Documents directory (and 2.0.x didn't support UNC paths, if those are in use) |
| 19:21.55 | tonyb486 | You can write to My Documents, its an SMB mount |
| 19:22.05 | tonyb486 | We'll login as an admin and try |
| 19:22.11 | blast007 | right, which is an UNC path |
| 19:22.26 | catay | Manu: the bantime gets stored in seconds from epoch in banfile |
| 19:22.59 | blast007 | \\servername\someshare\My Documents\ <-- that's a UNC path. So if that is what My Documents is pointing to, it won't work |
| 19:23.01 | catay | in the load() function it gets recalculated to minutes and gets stored in a long |
| 19:23.08 | Manu | catay: trace how it works for ban and idban, storing and reading |
| 19:23.09 | catay | so, you lose the precision |
| 19:23.53 | catay | I traced that, it's load() and save() |
| 19:23.55 | Manu | 1 minute is too much :) |
| 19:24.24 | Manu | see the type of vars used to store/read it |
| 19:24.54 | catay | if you do /ban ... |
| 19:25.05 | catay | duration is an int initially |
| 19:25.17 | catay | that gets stored as seconds in teh banfile |
| 19:25.35 | catay | the load() function reads it in and stores seconds in a long |
| 19:26.08 | catay | then it get recaculated to minutes |
| 19:26.54 | catay | banEnd -= long(time(NULL)); banEnd /= 60; |
| 19:27.12 | Manu | catay: I remember there was an issue with this and tupone fixed it IIRC |
| 19:28.21 | catay | gonna look a bit further in it |
| 19:29.21 | Manu | I have to read the code to see it :( |
| 19:29.21 | Manu | have you test the true values stored in the ban file? |
| 19:29.21 | catay | they are different |
| 19:29.26 | Manu | what difference? :) |
| 19:29.28 | catay | 1 minute ;) |
| 19:29.40 | Manu | so the problem is when the ban is made |
| 19:29.45 | catay | banEnd /= 60; |
| 19:29.48 | catay | that causes it |
| 19:30.11 | Manu | catay: if you apply the same formula the result and the diff must be tghe same |
| 19:30.12 | catay | if you give a ban duration of 5000 minutes |
| 19:30.22 | Manu | and you say it's different for /ban and /idban |
| 19:30.30 | catay | no, because you can't give 5000.6 for example |
| 19:31.01 | catay | when you do /ban , and it's a regged user he will also idbanned |
| 19:31.14 | Manu | yes, I know |
| 19:31.25 | catay | so, an idban happens and saved to the banfile |
| 19:31.34 | catay | then it loads the banfile again |
| 19:31.39 | catay | and bans on ip |
| 19:31.41 | catay | and saves |
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| 19:32.12 | catay | during that load , it also recalculates again the idban timestamp |
| 19:32.17 | catay | and then it goes wrong |
| 19:32.48 | Manu | is it done in different functions? |
| 19:33.15 | catay | yup |
| 19:33.27 | Manu | so something is different :) |
| 19:33.49 | catay | i'll work out an example, one sec |
| 19:34.42 | Manu | catay: you are talking about trunk version, right? |
| 19:36.45 | catay | well, i'm testing this on 2.0.x because I need a listserver |
| 19:36.58 | catay | but I compared trunk |
| 19:37.02 | catay | and it's not changed |
| 19:37.20 | catay | that part of the code is still the same |
| 19:37.40 | donny_baker | catay: the list server works for trunk too |
| 19:37.51 | catay | it's in BanCommands.cxx & AccessControllList.cxx |
| 19:37.54 | catay | ooh, it does? |
| 19:38.18 | donny_baker | yeah, 5 or 6 servers on it last i checked |
| 19:38.23 | catay | with the current listservers? |
| 19:38.33 | catay | *listserver |
| 19:38.50 | catay | I never was able to auth |
| 19:39.03 | blast007 | catay: it's the exact same list server system |
| 19:39.03 | donny_baker | hmm... i have several times |
| 19:39.04 | catay | ah, I mean authi |
| 19:39.59 | catay | maybe i use a wrong password .... :P |
| 19:40.00 | donny_baker | it just responds to the requests for a different protocl version |
| 19:40.01 | catay | let me check that |
| 19:40.59 | catay | right, i'm stupid |
| 19:41.02 | catay | :P |
| 19:41.06 | catay | wrong password .... |
| 19:41.14 | donny_baker | not stupid... ;) |
| 19:41.28 | catay | I should have checked that :) |
| 19:41.47 | donny_baker | but I agree the code hasn't changed |
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| 19:41.54 | catay | I assumed it was not working with the current one |
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| 19:43.17 | catay | well, i could just round that banEnd value in the load() function |
| 19:43.32 | catay | but doesn't a clean solution |
| 19:43.39 | catay | *isn't |
| 19:47.24 | Manu | it isn't the root of the problem ;) |
| 19:47.37 | Manu | just a work around in case it worked |
| 19:48.24 | catay | yup, it's not clean |
| 19:52.21 | catay | it actually also means the bantime in general is not gets less accurate evertime the banlist gets reloaded |
| 19:52.33 | catay | s/not gets// |
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| 19:58.40 | JeffM | hey it's mayB |
| 19:58.45 | JeffM | get any further on your patch mayB ? |
| 19:58.51 | mayB | hi |
| 19:58.59 | mayB | i finished my patcj |
| 19:58.59 | JeffM | how's it going |
| 19:59.00 | JeffM | cool |
| 19:59.01 | mayB | patch |
| 19:59.02 | JeffM | did you submit it? |
| 19:59.19 | JeffM | it's the only thing preventing me from ranking you :) |
| 19:59.27 | mayB | no actually this is the first time i am using patch .. so dont know how to go abou it |
| 19:59.37 | JeffM | what OS are you on? |
| 19:59.40 | mayB | linux |
| 19:59.44 | JeffM | cool |
| 19:59.51 | JeffM | well lets see if we can't get you some help there then |
| 19:59.58 | mayB | thanks :) |
| 20:00.17 | JeffM | Erroneous, how doth one generate a patch in commandline svn? |
| 20:00.22 | catay | you can do a 'svn diff <file>' |
| 20:00.27 | Erroneous | yeah, svn diff |
| 20:00.42 | JeffM | from the root right? |
| 20:00.52 | catay | yes |
| 20:00.57 | JeffM | cool |
| 20:01.03 | catay | root of the source tree |
| 20:01.12 | mayB | one sec .... i have added a one new class and few changes to other files so do i diff on the dir |
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| 20:01.24 | JeffM | mayB, you did your patch on a checkout from our trunk code from SVN right? |
| 20:02.22 | catay | mayB: go to the root, and do 'svn diff' |
| 20:02.37 | JeffM | hey it's DvO, have a chance to get your patch done yet? :) |
| 20:02.39 | mayB | no actually .. i was using 2.0.8 from the download.org |
| 20:02.40 | catay | it will show a diff off all files you modified |
| 20:02.56 | JeffM | mayB, yeah... that won't work |
| 20:02.57 | catay | aah |
| 20:03.04 | mayB | :( |
| 20:03.09 | JeffM | svn can only make a patch from a svn tree |
| 20:03.16 | JeffM | also the current release verison is 2.0.10 |
| 20:03.24 | JeffM | and current dev version is 2.99.1 |
| 20:03.28 | catay | then you have to use 'diff -u' but thats not that handy |
| 20:03.54 | mayB | thats bad .... |
| 20:03.59 | JeffM | we are no longer doing development on 2.0.x |
| 20:04.07 | catay | and i'm sure JeffM wants a patch against 2.99 :) |
| 20:04.15 | JeffM | I woudl prefer it |
| 20:04.25 | JeffM | but I mean if that's all that I can get, I"ll look at one on branch |
| 20:04.26 | mayB | so tell me ..what do i do now |
| 20:04.35 | JeffM | mayB, have you ever used subversion? |
| 20:04.42 | mayB | no :( |
| 20:04.51 | JeffM | well time to learn then |
| 20:04.55 | JeffM | we do all our work in subversion |
| 20:04.57 | mayB | no probs |
| 20:04.59 | JeffM | http://my.bzflag.org/w/SVN |
| 20:05.04 | JeffM | that is our overview of subversion |
| 20:05.11 | JeffM | it tells how to get the code from our server |
| 20:05.17 | JeffM | you want to get the "trunk" version |
| 20:05.25 | mayB | ok |
| 20:05.39 | JeffM | that'll be the first URL in the instructions |
| 20:05.48 | JeffM | once you have that, make it build and make sure it runs |
| 20:06.04 | JeffM | then apply your code changes to that tree ( some stuff will be a little different ) |
| 20:06.22 | JeffM | then when you are done, you can do the svn diff PATCH_NAME command and that will spit out a patch for you |
| 20:06.23 | mayB | ok let me get myt code running on this ....ok |
| 20:06.41 | JeffM | if you have any questions or problems, just ask anyone here |
| 20:06.45 | JeffM | they will be glad to help |
| 20:06.58 | mayB | can i tell regarding my patch .... chk whether it is fine or not |
| 20:07.11 | mayB | it too simple |
| 20:07.26 | JeffM | at this point, any code change is what we want to see |
| 20:07.38 | JeffM | that and ensuring you can use SVN, and build our dev code, etc.. |
| 20:07.59 | JeffM | it's more to check your style and use of the tools then it is to check WHAT you change |
| 20:08.16 | JeffM | last year we had a student who had never even built the game untill the end |
| 20:08.22 | JeffM | and had never used svn |
| 20:08.38 | Lukstr|Laptop | we do svn at school here |
| 20:08.41 | JeffM | so this is to ensure that the studnents are at least exposed to those aspects at the start |
| 20:08.56 | mayB | ok got it ... let me get into svn |
| 20:09.14 | JeffM | good luck wiht it. it's prety simple |
| 20:09.20 | Lukstr|Laptop | students lose marks for inadequate svn usage |
| 20:09.32 | JeffM | and if you've built 2.0.8 you should have no real problems with trunk |
| 20:09.46 | mayB | i also built it on 2.0.10 |
| 20:09.47 | JeffM | Lukstr|Laptop sadly not all schools are like that |
| 20:09.54 | mayB | hahaha |
| 20:10.33 | mayB | anyways thanks .... |
| 20:10.35 | mayB | :) |
| 20:10.40 | JeffM | anytime :) |
| 20:11.14 | JeffM | here's to hoping that CRC works :/ |
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| 20:39.14 | mayB | hey guys .... i installed it from svn .... when i run it it says cant create window is there a different way of running it than the earlier versions |
| 20:39.28 | mayB | ./bzflag |
| 20:43.10 | JeffM | hmm |
| 20:43.20 | JeffM | try bzflag -window 800x600 |
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| 20:49.20 | mayB | nope .... can u tell me why its giving this error ... so that i can play with my system and try few thingd |
| 20:50.41 | JeffM | hmmm |
| 20:50.47 | JeffM | what is the exact error? |
| 20:51.07 | JeffM | and did you do just a make, or a make install? |
| 20:51.14 | JeffM | and did you remov the old one? |
| 20:51.20 | JeffM | it may have issues if you mix them |
| 20:51.24 | JeffM | most devs don't do a make install |
| 20:51.30 | JeffM | I think |
| 20:51.33 | JeffM | I don't use linux |
| 20:51.39 | mayB | i always install it in diff dir using --prefix |
| 20:51.41 | JeffM | any nixies here to help |
| 20:51.41 | Manu | I don't do make install :) |
| 20:51.54 | JBdiGriz | but then we have to specify the data directory. That doesn't affect the creation of the window. |
| 20:52.02 | mayB | root@mpavillion:/home/root/svn/bzflag/exec/bin# ./bzflagCan't create window. Exiting. |
| 20:52.16 | JeffM | mayB, do you have SDL development libs? |
| 20:52.24 | Manu | mayB: running as root? |
| 20:52.32 | mayB | ya |
| 20:52.40 | mayB | i am running as root |
| 20:52.53 | JBdiGriz | Manu: I think you're onto something. It sounds more like a permission issue. |
| 20:52.57 | mayB | SDL part of bzflags |
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| 20:53.07 | JeffM | BZFlag wants SDL |
| 20:53.08 | catay | maybe DISPLAY is wrong |
| 20:53.12 | Manu | mayB: do you have X running? :) |
| 20:53.23 | JeffM | techincaly it can build with out SDL, but that code hasnt' been tested in ages |
| 20:53.29 | TaylorKillian | Hey, what's new? |
| 20:53.35 | JeffM | sup |
| 20:53.49 | JeffM | mayB, do you have SDL dev? |
| 20:53.58 | JeffM | I highly recomend you use it if you don't |
| 20:54.00 | Erroneous | suspects catay is on the right track |
| 20:54.04 | mayB | Manu: how do i check if have x server running i have Xorg running |
| 20:54.29 | Manu | mayB: if you see a desktop and windows you have X running :) |
| 20:54.36 | JeffM | TaylorKillian, you get a chance to poke around our code at all? |
| 20:54.43 | mayB | ohhk i have it for sure then |
| 20:54.58 | Manu | are you running your desktop as root? |
| 20:55.06 | Manu | or as a normal user mayB ? |
| 20:55.11 | mayB | i am runinng the terminal as root |
| 20:55.19 | catay | try with your own user |
| 20:55.20 | Lukstr|Laptop | interesting, |
| 20:55.21 | Manu | run bzflag as a normal user :) |
| 20:55.21 | Lukstr|Laptop | yeah |
| 20:55.27 | mayB | ok |
| 20:55.29 | Erroneous | or try running another X app from the same terminal |
| 20:55.29 | Manu | mayB: run bzflag as a normal user |
| 20:55.30 | mayB | let me try |
| 20:55.34 | Erroneous | like xcalc or something |
| 20:55.34 | TaylorKillian | JeffM actually I spent more time playing with it |
| 20:55.49 | JeffM | heh |
| 20:56.01 | Lukstr|Laptop | Though you should be able to run any X app as root |
| 20:56.14 | mayB | i get xcalc .. |
| 20:56.26 | Manu | Lukstr|Laptop: it depends of your linux distro |
| 20:56.33 | Erroneous | then there's some other issue, it's not just creating windows that's a problem |
| 20:56.34 | Manu | or your configuration |
| 20:56.48 | Erroneous | do you get any other error messages? something about pixel formats maybe? |
| 20:56.48 | Lukstr|Laptop | Manu, worked fine with me on ubuntu (just ran bzflag as root) |
| 20:56.59 | Lukstr|Laptop | Manu, yes, I can definitely see why it could go horribly wrong :D |
| 20:57.00 | mayB | no actually |
| 20:57.21 | JeffM | TaylorKillian, do you think you'll try to make a patch to go along with your application? |
| 20:57.29 | TaylorKillian | JeffM: never payed too much attention to the preferences before. I have a better big picture on the progress now. |
| 20:57.32 | Manu | mayB: got it working? a different error? |
| 20:57.36 | mayB | shud try configure make and make install as normal user |
| 20:57.41 | JeffM | TaylorKillian, cool |
| 20:57.53 | Manu | mayB: you don't need to install to run it |
| 20:57.55 | Lukstr|Laptop | mayB, you don't have to install, you can just run out of the source |
| 20:57.56 | Erroneous | make install will not work as a normal user. installation needs to be done as root, so you're ok there |
| 20:58.05 | Lukstr|Laptop | Erroneous, heh |
| 20:58.15 | Erroneous | you haven't done anything wrong as far as building (that I can see) |
| 20:58.22 | mayB | ok |
| 20:58.40 | TaylorKillian | Sorry for slow typing, i'm on my mobile |
| 20:58.47 | JeffM | that has to suck |
| 20:58.49 | Manu | mayB: but if you have compiled bzflag as root, you have to change the perms probably to allow a normal user to configure/compile :) |
| 20:58.50 | Erroneous | but do run "bzflag --version" and make sure it says "-SDL" at the end |
| 20:59.11 | mayB | ok |
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| 20:59.54 | mayB | root@mpavillion:/home/root/svn/bzflag/exec/bin# ./bzflag --versionBZFlag client 2.99.1.20080409-DEVEL-linux-gnu (protocol 0059) http://BZFlag.org/Copyright (c) 1993 - 2008 Tim Riker |
| 21:00.23 | Lukstr|Laptop | eh |
| 21:00.26 | Lukstr|Laptop | sdl it is |
| 21:00.45 | Manu | 2.99 |
| 21:01.00 | Manu | mayB: you are trying to compile the 2.99 :/ |
| 21:01.04 | Erroneous | if you had SDL configured correctly it would say "...DEVEL-linux-gnu-SDL" |
| 21:01.08 | TaylorKillian | JeffM: I know I will not be able to get a patch done this week (engineering conference), but I will work on a patch early next week. |
| 21:01.13 | Erroneous | Manu: yeah, he is...he's an SoC applicant |
| 21:01.15 | mayB | ya |
| 21:01.20 | Manu | ah |
| 21:01.38 | Lukstr|Laptop | Erroneous, yes, he seems to be missing the SDL dev |
| 21:01.56 | Erroneous | so something is not right with your SDL setup...maybe try running sdl-config --version, see what it says |
| 21:02.01 | mayB | what is this SDL |
| 21:02.17 | Erroneous | http://www.libsdl.org/ - simple directmedia layer |
| 21:02.31 | Erroneous | bzflag uses it for window management, input, sound, etc |
| 21:02.34 | mayB | its not installed so let me apt-get it |
| 21:03.06 | Lukstr|Laptop | you might want libsdl1.2-dev |
| 21:03.18 | Ride- | what does it do |
| 21:03.26 | Ride- | i took a quick peek at it |
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| 21:04.12 | mayB | ya installed so now go thru the entire installation again |
| 21:04.15 | mayB | ? |
| 21:04.17 | mayB | right |
| 21:04.40 | Lukstr|Laptop | Ride-, eh? |
| 21:04.47 | Ride- | what does SDL do |
| 21:04.54 | Erroneous | mayB: starting with ./configure, yes |
| 21:04.57 | Lukstr|Laptop | draws pretty things to the screen |
| 21:05.01 | mayB | ok no probs .. |
| 21:05.08 | Lukstr|Laptop | abstracts key input, sound, graphics somewhat |
| 21:05.17 | Erroneous | we don't actually use it for drawing |
| 21:05.25 | Ride- | ahh i see |
| 21:05.26 | Lukstr|Laptop | you use OGL right? |
| 21:05.27 | Erroneous | just for window management (plus input/sound) |
| 21:05.27 | JeffM | TaylorKillian, could you also update your application to mention how much time you'd intend to put in during the project, ie. if you have other jobs or responsiities that coudl get in the way, etc.. |
| 21:05.29 | Lukstr|Laptop | wait |
| 21:05.32 | Lukstr|Laptop | no, nvm |
| 21:05.34 | Lukstr|Laptop | ducks |
| 21:05.37 | Erroneous | yeah, everything is drawn directly through opengl |
| 21:05.48 | Winny | draws Erroneous |
| 21:05.51 | Lukstr|Laptop | Erroneous, but what is OGL bound to? SDL? |
| 21:06.03 | Erroneous | the X child window returned by SDL |
| 21:06.12 | Lukstr|Laptop | oh, yeah, so SDL |
| 21:06.16 | JeffM | SDL does our window setup |
| 21:06.18 | Lukstr|Laptop | yeah |
| 21:06.22 | Lukstr|Laptop | that's what I thought |
| 21:06.24 | JeffM | nix and mac |
| 21:06.26 | Erroneous | SDL makes the windows, and then we attach opengl to it |
| 21:06.26 | Lukstr|Laptop | you had me worried there for a sec |
| 21:06.30 | JeffM | tho we do have native code still |
| 21:06.39 | JeffM | Erroneous, IIRC SDL attaches it ;) |
| 21:06.48 | Erroneous | we don't use SDL's opengl stuff |
| 21:06.53 | JeffM | it's part of the surface |
| 21:06.53 | Lukstr|Laptop | I've done SDL + OpenGL before |
| 21:07.03 | Lukstr|Laptop | Erroneous, SDL's opengl stuff? |
| 21:07.31 | JeffM | yeah I'm a little confused at that comment too |
| 21:07.43 | JeffM | not that I've looked at SDL_window in a while |
| 21:07.54 | Lukstr|Laptop | SDL doesn't know or care what opengl is |
| 21:08.04 | JeffM | well it does at surface creation time |
| 21:08.07 | JeffM | but that's about it |
| 21:08.09 | Lukstr|Laptop | clutches his red book and waves it |
| 21:08.17 | JeffM | it handles the format and the OS bindings |
| 21:08.21 | Lukstr|Laptop | JeffM, not even, OpenGL asks SDL, and SDL says "sure" |
| 21:08.23 | JeffM | but it can't draw with GL |
| 21:08.23 | Erroneous | iirc SDL has a bunch of extensions for handling opengl |
| 21:08.30 | Lukstr|Laptop | Erroneous, really? |
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| 21:08.35 | Erroneous | we don't do any of that, we just ask for the window |
| 21:08.44 | Lukstr|Laptop | Erroneous, that's all I thought you could do |
| 21:08.51 | JeffM | see now I'm going to go look ;) |
| 21:08.52 | Erroneous | so our code doesn't necessarily look anything like their samples |
| 21:08.58 | TaylorKillian | JeffM: thanks for mentioning that, I will. |
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| 21:09.14 | Lukstr|Laptop | Erroneous, no, I realize, just typically everyone interfaces opengl and sdl the same |
| 21:09.24 | Lukstr|Laptop | sdl just supplies a surface |
| 21:09.49 | JeffM | no we do it like the samples |
| 21:10.03 | JeffM | we ask SDL to set the video mode for GL and it handles the binding |
| 21:10.16 | JeffM | <PROTECTED> |
| 21:10.18 | Erroneous | hm, not the ones I looked at |
| 21:10.19 | Lukstr|Laptop | JeffM, Ohhh, right, sdl DOES know about opengl. d'oh. |
| 21:10.29 | JeffM | SDL has basic knowledge about the context |
| 21:10.30 | JeffM | that is it |
| 21:10.31 | Lukstr|Laptop | yeah |
| 21:10.33 | JeffM | and we use that |
| 21:10.35 | Lukstr|Laptop | of course |
| 21:10.36 | Lukstr|Laptop | :) |
| 21:10.52 | JeffM | but we do not use any SDL calls for drawing |
| 21:11.28 | JeffM | Erroneous, SDLDisplay looks just like I expected it to look, just like GPX, and GPX was built from samples |
| 21:11.36 | Lukstr|Laptop | JeffM, I'm not sure you could if you tried, cleanly at least |
| 21:11.44 | JeffM | we don't do any atachments to the surface after it's made |
| 21:11.55 | JeffM | yeah, anything else we did would be platform specific |
| 21:11.59 | JeffM | SDL is prety simple |
| 21:12.07 | Lukstr|Laptop | it's in the name :) |
| 21:12.11 | JeffM | heh |
| 21:12.26 | Erroneous | just remembers some things from years ago, hasn't looked at either sample code nor sdldisplay in quite some time :) |
| 21:12.43 | JeffM | I would not put it past SDL to have GL specific stuff we don't use tho |
| 21:12.58 | Erroneous | but there were people who were surprised that we weren't using some SDL features |
| 21:12.58 | JeffM | but yeah we are prety basic on it's use, thats why it works for everyone |
| 21:13.09 | JeffM | I wonder what ones |
| 21:13.10 | Erroneous | so I figured everyone must use those...maybe I was wrong :) |
| 21:13.40 | JeffM | we init, enumerate, and then set the mode |
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| 21:13.42 | JeffM | that'd be about it |
| 21:14.35 | Lukstr|Laptop | That's all you should care about, really |
| 21:14.50 | Erroneous | yeah, it's all very lightweight |
| 21:15.06 | Lukstr|Laptop | There may be some minor optimizations that can be made, but they're negligible at best |
| 21:15.10 | Erroneous | we just want a context |
| 21:15.12 | JeffM | I'm sure there is more with events and stuff we could do |
| 21:15.22 | Erroneous | and input and sound, of course |
| 21:15.26 | Lukstr|Laptop | yeah |
| 21:15.36 | JeffM | sound for sure |
| 21:15.40 | Lukstr|Laptop | I'm writing a wrapper for SDL and GL on my free time |
| 21:15.47 | Lukstr|Laptop | basically a scene graph lib |
| 21:16.11 | Erroneous | looked into osg? |
| 21:16.12 | JeffM | whohoo! CRC works |
| 21:16.18 | Lukstr|Laptop | Erroneous, yes, writing it to learn :) |
| 21:16.23 | Erroneous | cool |
| 21:16.27 | JeffM | checks his crap in |
| 21:16.36 | Lukstr|Laptop | yay! |
| 21:16.42 | JeffM | too bad I missed the build today :( |
| 21:16.58 | Erroneous | aw nuts, I read that line before the line before it, thought you'd suddenly done a bunch of shot stuff :) |
| 21:17.05 | Constitution | KingofCamelot: nice job on the patch... looks like you put a lot of work into it, and it looks to me like a useful and informative feature |
| 21:17.06 | Erroneous | but crc is good too |
| 21:17.17 | JeffM | it's the last marker :) |
| 21:17.23 | Erroneous | is sure dave will have fun with that |
| 21:17.29 | JeffM | bwahahahahah |
| 21:17.41 | JeffM | I'm sure I will have fun with the regressions |
| 21:18.57 | CIA-32 | BZFlag: 03macsforme * r16933 10/trunk/bzflag/src/bzflag/playing.cxx: SF patch #1938157 from Joshua Bodine: fix for mouse/keyboard input switch issue. |
| 21:19.17 | JeffM | you put your name in it.. hah! |
| 21:19.24 | Erroneous | hey, he's just following the formula :) |
| 21:19.30 | JeffM | I know |
| 21:19.30 | Ride- | what is that? |
| 21:19.31 | Constitution | :P |
| 21:19.31 | JeffM | it's just funny |
| 21:19.47 | Erroneous | was likewise amused :) |
| 21:19.47 | JeffM | Constitution, did you remember the authors file? |
| 21:19.54 | Constitution | rofl |
| 21:20.07 | Erroneous | heh |
| 21:20.34 | Constitution | is a straitjacket kind of guy when it comes to forms and standards ;) |
| 21:21.30 | Constitution | but whatever... or should I be putting my name in every commit message now? ;) |
| 21:21.41 | KingofCamelot | @Constitution, thanks :) |
| 21:22.24 | Constitution | KingofCamelot: np... I trust the GSoC mentors share my admiration :) |
| 21:22.52 | Manu | Constitution: really? ;) |
| 21:22.57 | KingofCamelot | Haha |
| 21:23.10 | Manu | hi KingofCamelot :) |
| 21:23.17 | Constitution | was just to say, I really like it, but my good opinion is really not the one he's seeking :) |
| 21:23.49 | Erroneous | 'tis a valuable opinion nonetheless, and well respected in these parts |
| 21:24.11 | Constitution | why thank you, thank you |
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| 21:42.37 | KingofCamelot | @Manu, hey. I know that took me twenty minutes to respond, but I had to go eat lunch :P |
| 21:44.06 | JeffM | mmmmm cake |
| 21:44.59 | KingofCamelot | I second that, too bad they didn't have any |
| 21:45.09 | JeffM | we had cake |
| 21:45.11 | JeffM | it was not a lie |
| 21:45.26 | KingofCamelot | Haha |
| 21:45.35 | KingofCamelot | BTW, JeffM, you live in Moorpark? |
| 21:45.39 | JeffM | makes a note here |
| 21:45.42 | JeffM | huge sucsess |
| 21:45.46 | JeffM | I work in moorpark |
| 21:45.51 | JeffM | I live in TO |
| 21:46.00 | KingofCamelot | TO? |
| 21:46.05 | JeffM | Thousand Oaks |
| 21:46.10 | KingofCamelot | Ah |
| 21:46.24 | brlcad | grumbles about such a busy day and people standing around his desk for hours on end |
| 21:46.24 | KingofCamelot | So you're only about an hour something away from me right now :) |
| 21:46.34 | JeffM | wherea re you at? |
| 21:46.48 | KingofCamelot | UCSB |
| 21:46.52 | JeffM | ahh |
| 21:46.54 | KingofCamelot | so Santa Barbara :P |
| 21:47.20 | JeffM | one of our doc guys goes there for his doctorate |
| 21:48.47 | KingofCamelot | It's a good school, in my opinion. Not the best academically, it's a little more known for it's party life, but it can hold it's own with other public universities academically. |
| 21:48.56 | Erroneous | stands around brlcad's desk, just for fun |
| 21:49.26 | brlcad | throws mentos at Erroneous |
| 21:49.37 | JeffM | takes brlcad's cake |
| 21:49.50 | JeffM | brlcad, did you go to the post office yet? |
| 21:49.56 | Erroneous | mmm, the freshmaker! |
| 21:50.37 | Erroneous | seeks diet coke to combine with brlcad's mentos |
| 21:50.57 | brlcad | JeffM: yup :) |
| 21:51.13 | Erroneous | heard anything from google regarding the package? |
| 21:51.14 | brlcad | been showing it off |
| 21:51.14 | JeffM | your wearing the sleveless one now arn't you? |
| 21:51.19 | brlcad | heh, no |
| 21:51.29 | brlcad | looks comfy though |
| 21:51.30 | JeffM | "Check out the GUNS on this tank baby!" |
| 21:51.35 | brlcad | hah |
| 21:51.37 | JeffM | Erroneous, I have not |
| 21:51.47 | JeffM | I was hoping brlcad would ask ;) |
| 21:51.53 | JeffM | so they know it's from all of us |
| 21:51.57 | brlcad | imagines it takes a couple days to internally route mail |
| 21:52.03 | JeffM | brlcad, maybe |
| 21:52.08 | JeffM | it was delivered on saturday |
| 21:54.28 | brlcad | so maybe today or yesterday, I know I sometimes don't check my work mail for a few days |
| 21:54.43 | brlcad | i'd wait till at least friday before saying anything |
| 21:56.32 | mayB | finally got the game working :) |
| 21:56.36 | JeffM | yay |
| 21:56.38 | JeffM | what was it? |
| 21:57.01 | mayB | i installed that libsdl .... and ran it |
| 21:57.12 | JeffM | cool |
| 21:57.25 | mayB | the prob is that the code i modified is not even there in this version |
| 21:57.31 | JeffM | that does open up the possibility that we may have a bug in the old X code tho |
| 21:57.40 | JeffM | mayB, it may have moved |
| 21:57.45 | JeffM | what code did you modify? |
| 21:58.17 | mayB | i added a new menu when you enter save settings ,..... |
| 21:58.31 | JeffM | what does it do? |
| 21:58.32 | mayB | it has moved to save settings now ithinkso |
| 21:58.44 | JeffM | yeah a lot of stuff moved around |
| 21:58.58 | Erroneous | check the resize() method of the menu you added it to |
| 21:59.17 | Erroneous | it needs to iterate through the labels and position them correctly. |
| 21:59.25 | mayB | i thought when you hit save setings it must give some response that settings were saved .. |
| 21:59.27 | Erroneous | so if you add one, you need to add it there too |
| 21:59.39 | mayB | thats what i added |
| 21:59.42 | Erroneous | it does, in the console |
| 21:59.51 | Erroneous | iirc |
| 22:00.39 | mayB | i thinking on the lines of quit menu where it says do u want to really quit ... |
| 22:01.25 | Erroneous | if you want to do that you need to create a new huddialog for it and push it onto the stack |
| 22:01.34 | mayB | ya created it yesterday |
| 22:01.42 | mayB | but for the old version |
| 22:02.57 | Erroneous | ah, my bad, I misread your first comments |
| 22:03.19 | Erroneous | yes, Save Settings is now in the Options menu |
| 22:03.41 | mayB | not this time around ..... what i was thinking was specify the "save name" so that later on the player can also use something lke "load name" to get a config |
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| 22:03.54 | mayB | this could be done later |
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| 22:20.39 | JeffM | why was he banned this time? |
| 22:20.59 | eTangenT | JeffM: probably his outburst yesterday. |
| 22:21.07 | JeffM | he had an outburst again? |
| 22:21.21 | eTangenT | you say that like it's surprising. |
| 22:21.26 | JeffM | it's not |
| 22:21.29 | JeffM | but it has been a while |
| 22:23.29 | mayB | ok guys .... got to do the patch again .... lot of changes |
| 22:23.56 | mayB | may be by tomorrow it should be done |
| 22:23.57 | JeffM | cool |
| 22:24.02 | Erroneous | that's why we suggest getting trunk to compile before working on the patch :) |
| 22:24.10 | Erroneous | trunk is close to 2 years old now |
| 22:24.13 | Lukstr|Laptop | off to write an exam |
| 22:24.15 | Lukstr|Laptop | later all! |
| 22:24.15 | Erroneous | lots and lots of changes |
| 22:24.23 | Erroneous | c'ya Lukstr|Laptop! |
| 22:24.28 | Lukstr|Laptop | bang! |
| 22:24.43 | brlcad | JeffM: he just wouldn't let a (off-)topic go |
| 22:24.52 | mayB | lots of changes .... functions have changed ..... new features |
| 22:24.55 | JeffM | brlcad, sounds like his normal modus operandi |
| 22:25.21 | Erroneous | this discussion does not belong in the public channel folks |
| 22:25.29 | mayB | thanks for the help on getting it runnig |
| 22:25.41 | Erroneous | no problem. feel free to ask if you have any more questions. |
| 22:25.44 | catay | Erroneous: about the 'cleanup' patch, yes, i missed that behaviour change .. |
| 22:26.13 | JeffM | catay, it woudl be my desire to have the event only called if we actualy do the ban |
| 22:26.27 | catay | yes , make sense |
| 22:26.31 | JeffM | if we want an event that can overide anti-ban then that woudl be a new "do ban" message |
| 22:26.43 | JeffM | and I don't think that is a bad idea, but it's another event |
| 22:26.49 | JeffM | but so far your patches are fine |
| 22:27.14 | catay | could also add a bool banned , and put the return value of doBanKick in it |
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| 22:27.31 | catay | that way it's possible to detect in the event if the ban is successfull or not |
| 22:27.33 | JeffM | catay, well that makes it not a notification even tnow |
| 22:27.43 | JeffM | basicly there are 2 kinds of events we need to get seperated |
| 22:27.49 | JeffM | notification events and modifcation events |
| 22:28.03 | JeffM | for every modification event, there needs to be a notification event too |
| 22:28.06 | JeffM | but not vice versa |
| 22:28.07 | Erroneous | perhaps we should have different base classes for them even, and document the difference |
| 22:28.17 | JeffM | I would be ok with that as well |
| 22:28.35 | Erroneous | purely an idea, I have no idea if it would fly or not with what we have already |
| 22:28.37 | JeffM | the 2.0.x API didn't realy dif between them, but I think it's importnat that we do now |
| 22:28.45 | JeffM | some kind of dif would be good |
| 22:28.52 | JeffM | by name or class |
| 22:29.42 | CIA-32 | BZFlag: 03brlcad * r16934 10/trunk/bzflag/package/win32/nsis/BZFlag.nsi: revert, PROGRAMFILES is a read-only nsis variable .. bad patch ubu, bad |
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| 22:45.23 | bz85 | hi |
| 22:45.35 | JeffM | hello |
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| 22:47.28 | FC | hi |
| 22:47.32 | JeffM | hello |
| 22:47.39 | FC | jeffm |
| 22:47.45 | JeffM | fc |
| 22:47.57 | Winny | FC |
| 22:48.11 | FC | someone banned me for no reason |
| 22:48.20 | JeffM | I know |
| 22:48.23 | Winny | take it up with the server owner |
| 22:48.25 | JeffM | you probably were not banned |
| 22:48.30 | JeffM | I sent you a PM on it |
| 22:48.34 | JeffM | it was probalby a range ban |
| 22:48.48 | JeffM | send the owner a PM on bzbb and explain it and they can work it out with you |
| 22:49.02 | FC | ok |
| 22:50.04 | FC | but the person who banned me was the world |
| 22:50.17 | Winny | The server owner can remove bans |
| 22:50.25 | JeffM | "the world"? |
| 22:52.24 | FC | yes |
| 22:52.55 | FC | k |
| 22:53.02 | JeffM | ooooooookkkkkkaaaayyy |
| 22:53.21 | catay | hehe |
| 22:57.10 | blast007 | the world? sounds like he's been playing too much .hack//sign |
| 22:57.20 | JeffM | come with me in the twilight |
| 22:58.06 | Constitution | someone wanna fix this for Spazzy? http://my.bzflag.org/bb/viewtopic.php?p=122877#122877 |
| 22:58.44 | Epyon | No escape from the visions of my World ;] |
| 22:58.54 | Winny | locks Epyon in a box |
| 22:58.55 | Epyon | Duh, so late home |
| 22:58.58 | JeffM | it's Epyon |
| 22:58.59 | JeffM | yay |
| 22:59.03 | JeffM | how's it going |
| 22:59.04 | Epyon | is locked in a box. |
| 22:59.17 | JeffM | going to make a patch for me today :) |
| 22:59.20 | Epyon | Been the whole day at the university :/ |
| 22:59.27 | Winny | No need to restate yourself, you'll just use precious air! |
| 23:00.01 | Epyon | I'll have to do the patch tommorow, I barely have strength left because of those darn students -_- |
| 23:00.24 | JeffM | k |
| 23:00.36 | JeffM | cus I can't rank ya till you do |
| 23:00.43 | Epyon | I know |
| 23:01.10 | JeffM | and don't wait too long cus I want to fix that bug :) |
| 23:01.17 | Epyon | :P |
| 23:01.37 | Epyon | Will it be enough to be considered the needed patch? |
| 23:01.44 | JeffM | yes |
| 23:01.51 | JeffM | the act of finding it will be the big thing for you |
| 23:02.06 | Epyon | I already spent 3 hours on it yesterday xP |
| 23:02.29 | JeffM | that's the point, diging and udnerstanding code you didn't write :) |
| 23:02.50 | JeffM | and that's the most important thing for me on the one project for you I"m ranking |
| 23:02.53 | JeffM | I am not doing both |
| 23:02.54 | JeffM | just one |
| 23:03.02 | Epyon | But I think it shouldn't be long before I catch it -- I have a fair understanding of the network messages code that I didn't even want to touch at all :P |
| 23:03.11 | JeffM | I do not understand enough about the other to attempt to mentor it |
| 23:03.29 | JeffM | yes, it should be VERY easy for you to find |
| 23:03.45 | Epyon | Initially I tought the bug had nothing to do with the network code xP |
| 23:03.59 | JeffM | you'll see ;) |
| 23:04.23 | Epyon | But ended up diging through it anyway -- it was a definitively rewarding experience (i say that now, yesterday I wanted to choke it -_-) |
| 23:04.53 | JeffM | well there are 2 parts to it, client and server |
| 23:04.59 | JeffM | I think you've only debuged the client |
| 23:05.59 | Epyon | I'd have to review my notes, but I think I came to the conclusion that the client sends, the server packs, but the client doesn't recieve. So my next step would be checking if the server sends |
| 23:09.01 | JeffM | that would be a logical step |
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| 23:16.30 | Constitution | s/girls/girl/ |
| 23:16.47 | Winny | hehe |
| 23:19.15 | Constitution | whoever fixed spazzy's post, that quote was actually ducktape's. ducktape had quoted blast, and it looks like spazzy took out blast's quote but left the quote tag in there |
| 23:22.58 | Constitution | and http://my.bzflag.org/bb/viewtopic.php?p=122894#122894 |
| 23:28.15 | me1 | it got deleted? |
| 23:30.13 | Winny | me1, someone was basically like "your stupid read it" |
| 23:30.13 | me1 | Oh, I probably didn't see that part. |
| 23:43.38 | Erroneous | wishes for phpbb3's auditing features |
| 23:43.56 | Erroneous | anyone know "mountain lover"'s history? |
| 23:44.14 | JeffM | sounds somewhat familar |
| 23:46.01 | Constitution | no one wants to fix spazzy :P |
| 23:46.55 | JeffM | been buys |
| 23:46.56 | JeffM | busy |
| 23:47.32 | Constitution | no prob, just don't want him to see it and wonder what he did wrong ;) |
| 23:47.50 | JeffM | there |
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| 23:48.44 | Constitution | gah, NO :P |
| 23:48.52 | JeffM | huh? |
| 23:48.53 | Constitution | remove blast entirely |
| 23:48.58 | Constitution | it's ducktape's quote |
| 23:49.01 | JeffM | ahh |
| 23:49.31 | JeffM | you keep this up and I'm going to see your damned edit bit! |
| 23:49.48 | Winny | edits JeffM |
| 23:49.54 | JeffM | there |
| 23:49.54 | Constitution | what did you think my evil scheme was? :P |
| 23:50.13 | Constitution | excellent |
| 23:50.13 | Constitution | ~jeffm2501++ |
| 23:56.04 | AAA_awright | Alright, to work on integrating group manager with the reverse compatible list server... |
| 23:56.08 | AAA_awright | Fun. |
| 23:58.29 | JeffM | who was it that was here monday that mentioned there proposal as done in 'markdown'? |
| 23:58.50 | Constitution | bugQ |
| 23:59.03 | JeffM | that's it |
| 23:59.17 | JeffM | don't think we have his name associated with his app |
| 23:59.46 | JeffM | ahh I guess we do |
