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| 00:04.56 | Winny | yay... keys work |
| 00:05.01 | Winny | no headdesk required |
| 00:05.41 | Paul_PL | hi |
| 00:05.51 | whodaman | hello |
| 00:06.31 | Paul_PL | i had a few questions about GoogleSoC, is this the right place to ask? |
| 00:07.15 | brlcad | sure |
| 00:07.18 | Winny | pokes brlcad |
| 00:07.24 | Winny | err, I guess that wasn't required. |
| 00:07.25 | brlcad | pokes Winny back |
| 00:07.46 | brlcad | wants sushi for dinner /he thinks |
| 00:08.12 | Winny | gives brlcad some rice instead |
| 00:09.44 | Paul_PL | i'm interested in doing the ' Enhanced server listing' project and i'd like to know if this is thought to be a whole-summer thing |
| 00:10.58 | Paul_PL | or should i rather look for some additional work to do? |
| 00:11.28 | brlcad | there's enough polish work and extra features that can easily make it a whole-summer task |
| 00:11.49 | JeffM | and if you finish early we can find stuff for ya to do :) |
| 00:12.23 | Winny | hehe |
| 00:12.38 | Winny | I hear JeffM has a really big pile of laundry to be done ;) |
| 00:12.50 | brlcad | that task in particular requires a lot of communication, prototyping, visual appeal/layout aspects too -- more so that some of the other projects -- since it affects the gui and usability |
| 00:14.09 | Paul_PL | has there already been big interest in doing it? |
| 00:16.55 | brlcad | it wouldn't be on the list otherwise |
| 00:17.05 | brlcad | if you mean from students, you're the first to mention it this year |
| 00:17.27 | brlcad | but it made our list last year as well, but there wasn't a really great proposal for it |
| 00:17.51 | Paul_PL | i'll try to do my best :) |
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| 00:23.24 | Winny | JeffM: how many ranks is it possible for a normal user to get on the forum? 2? |
| 00:23.36 | Winny | (as in, how many ranks are available for normal users) |
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| 00:26.02 | spldart | Ok... I'm trying to set up something for the upcoming SoC.. not really important but thought it would be helpful for what I offer well and that's testing... I've decided two things... The KM400 chipset on some mobo's are cursed from hades and I wish I had an OS that is exactly 1/2 between windows and linux. That is all! |
| 00:26.30 | brlcad | Paul_PL: feel free to iterate with us on your proposal -- the more you communicate, the better we can get a feel for how we work together and the better your chances |
| 00:27.03 | brlcad | since ultimately, we're not so much looking for the feature as we are looking for a new developer (keep that in mind) ;) |
| 00:27.30 | Paul_PL | :) |
| 00:30.16 | JeffM | Winny, techincaly 3 |
| 00:30.30 | JeffM | cadet, private, pfc |
| 00:31.05 | Winny | k, thanks |
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| 00:32.10 | JeffM | alright.. so plan for countdowns...right now when the game is over, we just stop reporting players to the server |
| 00:32.15 | JeffM | gonna change it to do the following |
| 00:32.42 | JeffM | when match is over, score is frozen, all shots ended, tanks are frozen, and the server gives a mesage |
| 00:33.06 | JeffM | then a timer starts for _gameOverResetTime |
| 00:33.15 | JeffM | when that is over, the score is cleared |
| 00:33.24 | JeffM | and everyone respawns |
| 00:33.27 | JeffM | and it's free play |
| 00:33.33 | JeffM | or a new countdown can be started |
| 00:33.37 | JeffM | does that sound ok? |
| 00:33.49 | Winny | likes it |
| 00:34.02 | blast007 | sounds good |
| 00:34.04 | brlcad | sounds alright to me so long as _gameOverResetTime is pretty big by default.. |
| 00:34.06 | JeffM | the xpectation that everyone will quit before the server plays again |
| 00:34.13 | JeffM | brlcad, I was thinking 30seconds to a min |
| 00:34.15 | brlcad | league matches tend to talk for a long while after a match |
| 00:34.39 | brlcad | and they're the majority purpose for timed games |
| 00:34.48 | JeffM | how long? |
| 00:35.15 | brlcad | maybe 5-10 minutes |
| 00:35.30 | brlcad | 5 min should be min enough |
| 00:36.11 | brlcad | they can always run /countdown to start it over manually |
| 00:36.29 | brlcad | (earlier) |
| 00:38.30 | JeffM | yeah |
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| 00:44.15 | CIA-16 | BZFlag: 03brlcad * r16770 10/trunk/bzflag/src/bzflag/playing.cxx: if we do have to clamp the value, let the user know with a control panel warning message. |
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| 00:57.45 | Clinteger[a] | hey |
| 00:57.50 | Winny | hi |
| 00:58.08 | Clinteger | I'm trying to run BZFlag and it's not starting at all. |
| 00:58.18 | Winny | OS? |
| 00:58.21 | Clinteger | I've tried running it with the -debug parameter but it appears theres no logs or anything |
| 00:58.22 | Clinteger | windows |
| 00:58.24 | Clinteger | xp |
| 00:58.27 | Clinteger | sp2, latest updates appliec |
| 00:58.30 | Clinteger | applied* |
| 00:58.36 | Winny | does the process show up in the task manager? |
| 00:58.40 | Clinteger | nope. |
| 00:59.10 | Winny | got the correct/newest video card drivers? |
| 00:59.14 | Clinteger | yes. |
| 00:59.19 | Clinteger | updated earlier today and restarted already |
| 00:59.19 | JeffM | what card |
| 00:59.26 | Clinteger | integrated :/ |
| 00:59.32 | Clinteger | I've tried with -no3dfx as well |
| 00:59.34 | JeffM | intell? |
| 00:59.34 | blast007 | integrated what? |
| 00:59.39 | Clinteger | ati radeon xpress 200 |
| 01:00.13 | JeffM | run with -window -geometry 800x600 |
| 01:00.35 | Clinteger | nothing. |
| 01:00.50 | Winny | fun |
| 01:00.53 | Clinteger | I'd already tried running it in windowed mode. it was the first thing i tried after install because I don't like full screen games anyway :S |
| 01:01.00 | JeffM | how much ram do you have allocated to the video in the bios? |
| 01:01.01 | spldart | I assume latest ver of bzflag |
| 01:01.01 | blast007 | delete the My BZFlag Files directory from My Documents |
| 01:01.07 | blast007 | and try again |
| 01:01.11 | Clinteger | JeffM, uh |
| 01:01.11 | JeffM | yeah that'd be the next thing |
| 01:01.17 | Clinteger | I'm not exactly sure |
| 01:01.20 | JeffM | it's one of those 2 |
| 01:01.27 | Clinteger | 64mb I think |
| 01:01.29 | JeffM | throw away the my bzflag files like blast007 said |
| 01:01.31 | JeffM | try that |
| 01:01.35 | spldart | What's installed in the machine and what shows up in your /my properties |
| 01:01.36 | JeffM | if that dosn't do it, go check the ram |
| 01:01.48 | JeffM | spldart, let him do one thing at a time ;) |
| 01:01.49 | Clinteger | it can't be too horribly bad, because it runs HL2, CS:S, Portal, etc. fine |
| 01:01.57 | spldart | sry |
| 01:01.58 | JeffM | true |
| 01:02.02 | JeffM | probably config then |
| 01:02.12 | JeffM | or ghosts |
| 01:02.13 | Clinteger | ok files were deleted, nothing |
| 01:02.25 | Clinteger | well, the files were recreated |
| 01:02.29 | JeffM | is your my docs dir on a network volume or antying? |
| 01:02.35 | JeffM | ahh, then no, it's not ;) |
| 01:02.37 | Clinteger | nope. |
| 01:02.52 | JeffM | wierdness |
| 01:03.01 | spldart | This is 2.0.10? |
| 01:03.18 | Clinteger | yup |
| 01:03.29 | Clinteger | just downlaoded a precompiled version from sourceforge approximately 10 minutes ago |
| 01:03.48 | spldart | and you really tried to start it in a 'command prompt' ? |
| 01:04.04 | Clinteger | yeah. |
| 01:04.21 | spldart | is thinking |
| 01:04.28 | spldart | is on xp sp2 right now |
| 01:04.44 | Clinteger | did a cd to %programfiles%\BZFLag2.0.10, tried with -debug, -no3dfx, -window and -geometry 800x600, 1024x768 |
| 01:05.04 | spldart | Have you downloaded again from a different source? |
| 01:05.23 | spldart | I know it's stupid but it's a long odd that your download is corrupted |
| 01:05.48 | Clinteger | well I'm trying again |
| 01:05.56 | JeffM | spldart, it woudl not install if it was bad |
| 01:06.02 | JeffM | checksums and all ;) |
| 01:06.12 | Clinteger | yeah.. I'm just downlaoding to be sure :( |
| 01:06.22 | JeffM | there has to be something we are calling that your video card does not like |
| 01:06.24 | spldart | is not so sure.. but you are the expert.. I differ |
| 01:06.28 | JeffM | is it a laptop? |
| 01:06.36 | Clinteger | unfortunately a desktop :/ |
| 01:06.39 | JeffM | oh good |
| 01:06.44 | JeffM | where did you get the drivers from? |
| 01:06.50 | Clinteger | ATi's site |
| 01:06.52 | JeffM | ATI? or the mobo compny |
| 01:06.53 | JeffM | ahh |
| 01:06.58 | JeffM | yeah you got wierdness |
| 01:07.14 | spldart | He should go mobo website right? |
| 01:07.21 | spldart | That's where your goin? |
| 01:07.33 | spldart | or pc builder support? |
| 01:07.39 | Clinteger | no? you should get drivers from the manufacturer |
| 01:08.02 | L4m3r | with ATi it's hard to say |
| 01:08.05 | JeffM | spldart, oh god no |
| 01:08.13 | JeffM | mobo drivers are always old |
| 01:08.21 | JeffM | never use the drives that come with your hardware, EVER ;) |
| 01:08.23 | L4m3r | they don't always support all manufacturers :\ |
| 01:08.27 | spldart | But are tested.. |
| 01:08.29 | JeffM | yeah |
| 01:08.29 | spldart | ok |
| 01:08.36 | L4m3r | like, they don't even make Radeon drivers for acer laptops :\ |
| 01:08.38 | JeffM | spldart, yeah you'd think that woudln't ya ;) |
| 01:08.43 | Think_Differentl | Clinteger, could it possibly be an ECS RS400-A? |
| 01:08.53 | CIA-16 | BZFlag: 03JeffM2501 * r16771 10/trunk/bzflag/TODO: write up plan to convert countdown and gameover commands into /match, and how to reset after a match is over with out having players leave. |
| 01:08.54 | Clinteger | uhmm.. not sure |
| 01:09.09 | Clinteger | Think_Differentl, why? |
| 01:09.43 | spldart | Actually a few bad experience with windows have taught me that the latest drivers aren't always the best by any means... but that's just me |
| 01:10.04 | Think_Differentl | just wondering, I haven't had any experience with the board, I have one sitting in a box right next to me. |
| 01:10.16 | Think_Differentl | it too uses an Xpress 200 chipset. |
| 01:10.34 | spldart | rs400? that isn't anything like the chipset in the km400 is it? >think |
| 01:10.34 | Clinteger | hmm |
| 01:10.52 | spldart | Cuz I HATE the km400 with the white hot pasion of a thousand burning suns |
| 01:11.09 | L4m3r | ...if anyone watching is in Europe, and has a bzflag client handy, I'd like some testing help |
| 01:11.15 | L4m3r | (or Asia) |
| 01:11.22 | Think_Differentl | No, KM400 is a VIA chipset, RS400 is a mobo model. runs an ATI chipset. |
| 01:11.24 | L4m3r | high lag/jitter preferred |
| 01:11.37 | spldart | good |
| 01:11.41 | spldart | very good ;) |
| 01:11.44 | JeffM | ponders a match manager |
| 01:12.24 | Clinteger | well, guess I'll go frustrate myself on another level of Portal |
| 01:12.49 | whodaman | JeffM, I have a suggestion concerning /countdown pause during a match |
| 01:12.49 | blast007 | ;) |
| 01:13.08 | whodaman | Would it be possible to freeze all tanks and disable shooting? |
| 01:13.08 | L4m3r | whodaman! you can probably help me :P |
| 01:13.18 | whodaman | :P |
| 01:13.27 | JeffM | whodaman, sure |
| 01:13.35 | JeffM | we are going to do that after the match too |
| 01:13.39 | whodaman | That'd rock |
| 01:13.49 | whodaman | So many people just don't get it... |
| 01:14.15 | JeffM | I can also force new players to be observers |
| 01:14.20 | JeffM | should it do that by default? |
| 01:14.21 | whodaman | :O |
| 01:14.34 | whodaman | JeffM, you mean while the countdown is going? |
| 01:14.35 | L4m3r | how quickly can teams change? |
| 01:14.50 | whodaman | I mean, sometimes you sub during matches without stopping the time |
| 01:14.54 | JeffM | whodaman, we are removing the concept of the countdown, and replacing it with a state |
| 01:14.56 | JeffM | match on or off |
| 01:15.02 | JeffM | I mean while the match is ON |
| 01:15.09 | whodaman | right |
| 01:15.22 | whodaman | Well, what if you would like to sub while the match is ON... |
| 01:15.25 | spldart | :~) |
| 01:15.27 | JeffM | I can also add a /match sub player1 player2 |
| 01:15.27 | spldart | oops |
| 01:15.30 | spldart | :~( |
| 01:15.31 | whodaman | you'd be auto forced into obs |
| 01:15.33 | L4m3r | plugin :P |
| 01:15.36 | whodaman | :P |
| 01:15.54 | L4m3r | let someone do /sub whodaman and they'd be kicked to obs, and whodaman would be let in |
| 01:15.58 | JeffM | well I can also have it keep your name and ID and put your score back in when you sub or rejoin |
| 01:16.07 | JeffM | L4m3r, with the same score |
| 01:16.25 | L4m3r | or they could keep their own scores |
| 01:16.34 | L4m3r | but for matching that doesn't matter a whole lot |
| 01:16.37 | JeffM | the sub comes from observer so he had no scores ;) |
| 01:16.52 | JeffM | L4m3r, what if you want to do team FFA matches ;) |
| 01:16.57 | L4m3r | heh |
| 01:16.57 | JeffM | Deathmatch leauge |
| 01:17.23 | whodaman | Wow, some nice improvements though |
| 01:17.30 | JeffM | if I put the API hooks in place, you could do a DM leauge with last man standings |
| 01:17.35 | whodaman | L4m3r, I love the /sub <playerID> idea |
| 01:17.46 | JeffM | well it'd be /match sub |
| 01:17.54 | JeffM | it'll all go into the match command |
| 01:18.03 | L4m3r | you'd have to make sure the sub approved too |
| 01:18.04 | L4m3r | lol |
| 01:18.09 | JeffM | yeah |
| 01:18.23 | L4m3r | and probably let the sub-ee kick the sub out |
| 01:18.24 | JeffM | or have all subs type /match sub ok |
| 01:18.34 | JeffM | that sets them as subbable |
| 01:18.47 | whodaman | <PROTECTED> |
| 01:18.56 | whodaman | and L4m3r has to run /match sub ok |
| 01:19.05 | whodaman | or the other way around |
| 01:19.06 | JeffM | or he pre-runs sub ok |
| 01:19.12 | whodaman | precisely |
| 01:19.20 | JeffM | by default the player would run the sub command |
| 01:19.24 | JeffM | basicly asking for a tagout |
| 01:19.33 | whodaman | right |
| 01:19.37 | JeffM | or an admin could force it for a non responsive player |
| 01:19.52 | whodaman | how long between /match on and /match off ? |
| 01:19.53 | whodaman | Instant? |
| 01:19.58 | L4m3r | perhaps we should add some messages for yes/no |
| 01:20.00 | whodaman | or with a 5 second delay? |
| 01:20.01 | L4m3r | bound to keys |
| 01:20.05 | JeffM | you'd have variables |
| 01:20.09 | L4m3r | so the server can ask the client questions |
| 01:20.30 | JeffM | /match start would being a _matchPregameTime countdown |
| 01:20.36 | JeffM | then tell everyon thata match is on |
| 01:20.43 | JeffM | and play an airhorn sound :) |
| 01:20.53 | JeffM | then it woudl run for _matchTime |
| 01:21.11 | JeffM | and start a countdown for _matchEndWarnTime |
| 01:21.30 | JeffM | after the match is over, it woudl wait for _matchResetTime |
| 01:21.35 | JeffM | then clear the scores |
| 01:21.39 | JeffM | and respawn everyone |
| 01:22.06 | JeffM | could even track what players we forced to observer and let them spawn as players again |
| 01:22.12 | JeffM | and at that point it's free play |
| 01:22.18 | JeffM | untill another /match is fired off |
| 01:22.38 | JeffM | I'll write up the wiki page for it while I have dinner |
| 01:22.54 | whodaman | sounds neat |
| 01:23.23 | L4m3r | whodaman, could you join dorm.l4m3r.net:5154 for me, as blue team? |
| 01:23.31 | whodaman | yeah sure |
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| 01:27.42 | Winny | bah, Jeff left |
| 01:27.58 | Winny | "removing the concept of the countdown" .. I assume the timer would still be there, though? |
| 01:28.08 | Winny | It would sort of suck matching and not knowing how long is left |
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| 01:33.36 | me1 | winny: it'd be more exciting |
| 01:33.42 | Winny | hehe |
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| 01:35.33 | whodaman | ~L4m3r++ |
| 01:36.06 | Winny | JeffM: I assume the timer would still be in the matches, right? |
| 01:36.16 | me1 | should reverse controls cause you to move full speed backwards and half speed forward? |
| 01:36.21 | JeffM | yes, it would be a variable |
| 01:36.28 | Winny | ah, ok |
| 01:36.30 | JeffM | or you can do it as a paramter |
| 01:36.39 | JeffM | matches have a length |
| 01:36.53 | JeffM | /countdown dos't say what' it's counting down ;) |
| 01:37.57 | JeffM | I'm writing it up in the wiki so everyone can read it |
| 01:38.40 | AHA | JeffM, is there any chance full screened radar (the config option, similar to 2.0.2) will be added to 3.0? |
| 01:38.55 | JeffM | no |
| 01:39.02 | AHA | may i ask why not? |
| 01:39.10 | JeffM | because we don't want to have one |
| 01:39.18 | JeffM | we limited it in 2.0.4 for a reason |
| 01:39.22 | JeffM | it wasn't accedental |
| 01:39.41 | whodaman | What was the reason? |
| 01:39.42 | AHA | im aware of that, and i am asking why you decided to get rid of it |
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| 01:40.05 | blast007 | AHA: BZFlag is a 3D game, not 2D. |
| 01:40.07 | JeffM | <PROTECTED> |
| 01:40.08 | Winny | No offense, but you should at least allow it as a config mod. |
| 01:40.16 | Winny | You can still SEE the 3d through the hud. |
| 01:40.17 | AHA | so 2.0.2 was 2d? |
| 01:40.17 | JeffM | nope |
| 01:40.35 | whodaman | Yeah, Winny I agree |
| 01:40.39 | L4m3r | monitor spanning ftw ;) |
| 01:40.42 | JeffM | it was a design choice, radar was not meant to be the main window |
| 01:40.47 | JeffM | the main view I mean |
| 01:40.49 | Winny | making the radar take up a few more pixels does NOT make the game 2d. Not at all. |
| 01:40.56 | AHA | agreed |
| 01:41.05 | JeffM | you are welcome to fork it |
| 01:41.08 | whodaman | Seing as everything is still perfectly visible |
| 01:41.14 | JeffM | we've had this discussion MANY times before |
| 01:41.24 | Winny | You should take a player poll |
| 01:41.28 | AHA | which means enough people want it |
| 01:41.31 | JeffM | so |
| 01:41.40 | blast007 | heh, a poll... |
| 01:41.40 | JeffM | if they want it they can code it up and for |
| 01:41.40 | whodaman | JeffM, most people wont use it |
| 01:41.45 | blast007 | cuz those are always accurate |
| 01:41.45 | whodaman | Basically just league players |
| 01:41.46 | JeffM | that is the nature of open source |
| 01:42.05 | AHA | JeffM, but such leagues like the GU league do not allow that |
| 01:42.09 | Winny | The nature of open source is also to listen to your users |
| 01:42.15 | JeffM | AHA, that is there choice |
| 01:42.21 | blast007 | Winny: no it's not |
| 01:42.22 | JeffM | it's not my job to sneak stuff in |
| 01:42.26 | JeffM | we do not want it |
| 01:42.28 | JeffM | end of story |
| 01:42.32 | AHA | its not sneaking if people actually want it |
| 01:42.42 | Winny | heh |
| 01:42.46 | JeffM | Winny, bzflag is not a democracy |
| 01:42.51 | Winny | So? |
| 01:42.51 | JeffM | never was, never has been |
| 01:42.58 | whodaman | ... |
| 01:43.06 | JeffM | we have no responsibility to do anything the users want |
| 01:43.09 | AHA | in some senses it is |
| 01:43.12 | blast007 | Winny: people want tanks that tilt, and we don't have that either. |
| 01:43.18 | Winny | You should listem to what your users want, not what a few devs want. Espically if it is a hidden option like a config mod |
| 01:43.22 | AHA | that something entirely different |
| 01:43.23 | JeffM | AHA, no it is a kingdom with no walls |
| 01:43.25 | Winny | blast007: completely different |
| 01:43.38 | blast007 | Winny: not really |
| 01:43.41 | JeffM | Winny, not at the core |
| 01:43.43 | AHA | this will be an option, not forced upon people |
| 01:43.46 | JeffM | it is a game design choice |
| 01:44.00 | JeffM | AHA, so is the tilt option as people post it |
| 01:44.08 | whodaman | allowing it as a config option would be a compromise |
| 01:44.18 | JeffM | whodaman, so? |
| 01:44.41 | whodaman | Why not do something that the majority of the affected users would like? |
| 01:44.54 | JeffM | becuase it is not something we want in the game design |
| 01:45.24 | AHA | "We" as in the developers, but "We" as in the players who _play_ the game actually want it. |
| 01:45.25 | Winny | You seemed to not have a problem with it in <2.0.2 |
| 01:45.32 | JeffM | AHA, we the developers |
| 01:45.43 | JeffM | the people who write and maintain this verison of bzflag |
| 01:45.46 | spldart | Ummm... bzflag is not as free as you might want... and don't presume to speak for to many |
| 01:45.47 | AHA | yes |
| 01:45.53 | AHA | but we the players want it |
| 01:45.55 | JeffM | Winny, it was a limit |
| 01:45.58 | JeffM | AHA, so? |
| 01:46.00 | blast007 | AHA: all of the players? |
| 01:46.04 | Winny | if you put it in as a config option only the users who know about it can change it. |
| 01:46.11 | AHA | i havnt found one who does not want it |
| 01:46.12 | Winny | It will not effect everyone else. |
| 01:46.14 | whodaman | blast007, all of the players that even KNOW about it, yeah |
| 01:46.30 | whodaman | Default can be whatever you like it to be |
| 01:46.37 | blast007 | deal with it. If you want it, fork the game. |
| 01:46.38 | spldart | I would presume that it's up to magor contriubutors of code to decide the dir4ection of the project |
| 01:46.38 | AHA | 30, like it is now |
| 01:46.45 | JeffM | spldart, nope |
| 01:46.47 | AHA | blast007, im not gonna fork it for one optio |
| 01:46.48 | AHA | n |
| 01:46.54 | Winny | one variable, even |
| 01:46.58 | blast007 | THAT is the nature of open-source. If you don't like something, you can fork it. |
| 01:47.01 | spldart | or have a say |
| 01:47.05 | spldart | No? |
| 01:47.08 | JeffM | it's not a techicnal thing Winny so stop making yourself look silly |
| 01:47.14 | JeffM | spldart, techincaly it is Tim's |
| 01:47.18 | spldart | Is it 'keys of |
| 01:47.21 | JeffM | but we work on a consensus |
| 01:47.29 | JeffM | we have had this talk many times |
| 01:47.30 | spldart | That's were I was goin with that sentence |
| 01:47.31 | JeffM | no |
| 01:47.45 | Winny | JeffM: it's not making the game 2d to have full screen radar. That is like saying the world becomes 2d when a sonar operator looks at their sonar |
| 01:47.51 | JeffM | Winny, we said no |
| 01:47.54 | JeffM | deal |
| 01:47.58 | AHA | JeffM, youve had the talk with other users who want it aswell, which shows other people do indeed want the option added |
| 01:48.02 | Winny | heh |
| 01:48.05 | JeffM | AHA, so? |
| 01:48.08 | JeffM | they can fork |
| 01:48.12 | JeffM | or mod |
| 01:48.13 | AHA | you dont listen to the players |
| 01:48.18 | JeffM | not in all cases,no |
| 01:48.18 | spldart | hehe... |
| 01:48.18 | AHA | ? |
| 01:48.22 | blast007 | AHA: we don't have to. |
| 01:48.27 | whodaman | Yeah |
| 01:48.27 | AHA | im aware |
| 01:48.29 | whodaman | I guess |
| 01:48.29 | blast007 | do you always listen to your mom, AHA? |
| 01:48.33 | whodaman | YES! |
| 01:48.35 | AHA | but the game would suck if you didnt |
| 01:48.39 | spldart | Fork.. under these circumstances.. where have I heard that before.. years ago... ;-) |
| 01:48.42 | AHA | blast007, of course not. |
| 01:48.43 | whodaman | blast007, but you can't compare BZFlag to a crazy mother |
| 01:48.45 | JeffM | that is why we do listen sometimes |
| 01:48.52 | JeffM | we always listen to you |
| 01:48.58 | AHA | but i make compromises though |
| 01:49.00 | JeffM | the thing is, do we do exactly what you want |
| 01:49.06 | blast007 | whodaman: we're talking about jumping tanks that shoot balls of light. How much more crazy can you get? |
| 01:49.06 | JeffM | no, not all the time |
| 01:49.31 | whodaman | blast007, then you haven't met my mom :p |
| 01:49.32 | JeffM | AHA, then when you have your own game, you can compromise all you want |
| 01:49.43 | whodaman | Okay, this is leading nowhere :) |
| 01:49.51 | AHA | im not gonna make my own game because i want one variable changed |
| 01:49.52 | spldart | Not really... |
| 01:49.57 | JeffM | AHA, your choice |
| 01:50.00 | whodaman | hah |
| 01:50.05 | spldart | This is how it's been for years.. + or - |
| 01:51.20 | Winny | I honestly don't see "we want it to be a 3d game" has anything to do with the size of the radar, The user still needs to use the window view to move |
| 01:51.21 | spldart | thinks about the reasons behind TimRikers desire for an overall theme/feel for bzflag.... |
| 01:51.26 | Winny | but whatever |
| 01:51.39 | JeffM | Winny, it is of course more compicated then that |
| 01:51.42 | spldart | the years seem to teach that maybe he had a point... OMG... I'm getting old |
| 01:51.50 | JeffM | spldart i s correct, it is about the look and feel we want to provide |
| 01:52.03 | JeffM | the radar isnot the main display, so it should not take up the entire screen |
| 01:52.09 | AHA | not everyone will be using it though |
| 01:52.09 | JeffM | that is the core reasoning |
| 01:52.13 | JeffM | AHA, so? |
| 01:52.21 | AHA | you wont suddenly loose half the players because you added this option |
| 01:52.24 | AHA | *lose |
| 01:52.29 | whodaman | JeffM, I don't get how it's your decision how other people are going to play the game |
| 01:52.31 | JeffM | that is not the reason we are not doing it |
| 01:52.32 | spldart | I doubt half |
| 01:52.38 | JeffM | has nothing to do with keeping or loosing people |
| 01:52.58 | JeffM | whodaman, it's not. it is our choice of what sofware we provide, you can play however you want |
| 01:53.00 | JeffM | you have the source |
| 01:53.03 | JeffM | MODIFY IT |
| 01:53.09 | whodaman | I am! :p |
| 01:53.22 | AHA | but the reason we want to mod it is for the league |
| 01:53.27 | Winny | The problem is the leagues don't allow it, because some people can't do it, so it gives them an "advantage" |
| 01:53.27 | AHA | but they do not allow us to do so |
| 01:53.27 | JeffM | it's like you saying to Ford, "how come you are telling me I have to have 4 tires?" |
| 01:53.31 | spldart | They have their path... You have yours.. branch and go GO GO! :) |
| 01:53.35 | JeffM | Winny, that is the choice of the leauge, NOT US |
| 01:53.55 | AHA | but they have told us to petition the devs about it |
| 01:53.57 | JeffM | AHA, you knew that before you joined the leauge, not my fault if you didn't realise what that meant |
| 01:53.59 | AHA | which is what we are doing |
| 01:54.06 | blast007 | AHA: and failing at |
| 01:54.14 | AHA | indeed |
| 01:54.15 | JeffM | AHA, yes and we have told them that we won't add it |
| 01:54.24 | JeffM | I'm curious who told you to "pettion" |
| 01:54.49 | spldart | petition aside.. they are listening to you aha :) |
| 01:54.56 | spldart | I'ts just the answer is no |
| 01:55.08 | AHA | http://www.gamesunited.de/ib/index.php?&showtopic=12681 - a long thread about it |
| 01:55.15 | whodaman | JeffM, well, as long as radar remains in the game, we'll deal |
| 01:55.26 | JeffM | whodaman, bwahahahah |
| 01:55.30 | AHA | from menotume: " |
| 01:55.30 | AHA | Lobby the devs to raise the limit ! I would vote yes. |
| 01:55.49 | spldart | www.dictionar... err uh |
| 01:55.50 | blast007 | "vote" ? |
| 01:55.50 | spldart | n/m |
| 01:55.55 | JeffM | ahh, that's generic info about any patch, not this one |
| 01:56.04 | Winny | scroll down a bit |
| 01:56.18 | JeffM | too? |
| 01:56.28 | AHA | the first post after that |
| 01:56.37 | AHA | and the rest of the posts after that |
| 01:56.46 | JeffM | so Sox told you to |
| 01:56.47 | JeffM | ;) |
| 01:57.02 | JeffM | yeah cus he's rellyable |
| 01:57.07 | JeffM | but yeah, you have mentioned it |
| 01:57.08 | JeffM | multiple times |
| 01:57.09 | AHA | nope |
| 01:57.11 | JeffM | the answer is no |
| 01:57.12 | JeffM | done |
| 01:57.19 | AHA | menotume, quantum dot, birdie all told us to |
| 01:58.06 | JeffM | ok |
| 01:58.09 | AHA | QD: "I propose to collect bzflag signatures and send a letter with this request to the devs team via bzbb forum." |
| 01:58.30 | JeffM | we have never added features with that method |
| 01:58.43 | blast007 | an e-petition? |
| 01:58.45 | AHA | "I do think devs would let radar go back to what it was before if we make our point, after all it is nothing there was not there before." |
| 01:58.46 | AHA | heh |
| 01:58.50 | JeffM | any petition |
| 01:58.51 | AHA | his idea, not mine |
| 01:58.58 | JeffM | then they were wrong |
| 01:59.54 | spldart | I think both sides understand the argument of the others. And the answer is entrenched.. bygons and all that? |
| 02:00.24 | AHA | http://www.gamesunited.de/ib/index.php?showtopic=12681&st=45&#entry295295 |
| 02:00.39 | JeffM | what about it? |
| 02:00.45 | JeffM | trepan coded it once |
| 02:00.46 | JeffM | so? |
| 02:01.02 | spldart | Poop... I was hoping to have an idea pop in my head to offer Clinteger :( |
| 02:01.28 | AHA | JeffM, did you even read the post? |
| 02:01.47 | JeffM | yes |
| 02:02.04 | JeffM | saturos talks about trepans mods he made to do fulls creen options |
| 02:02.09 | JeffM | what of it? |
| 02:02.38 | AHA | "what about pointing them to this topic... and asking them to make this setup optional? Or if Jeff says he doesnt want a 2d-game, one could sneak around the options menu and just make available through a config-change?" |
| 02:03.02 | JeffM | that's just saying what you said earlyer again |
| 02:03.03 | JeffM | so? |
| 02:03.15 | JeffM | saying the SAME thing over and over again isn't going to change anything |
| 02:03.16 | AHA | im showing you other people hold the same beliefs we do |
| 02:03.30 | JeffM | I have never doubted that they do |
| 02:03.35 | JeffM | have I ever said that I didn't? |
| 02:03.37 | spldart | uh... |
| 02:03.41 | AHA | and you asked who told us to petition, so im showing you what they said |
| 02:03.45 | JeffM | ok |
| 02:03.53 | JeffM | dosn't change anything |
| 02:03.59 | JeffM | it was a personal curiosity |
| 02:04.00 | AHA | I am aware |
| 02:04.05 | JeffM | the GU people, now Iknow ;) |
| 02:04.41 | AHA | Looks like this is going no where, thanks for the responses guys |
| 02:04.46 | AHA | *nowhere |
| 02:04.46 | JeffM | have fun |
| 02:05.39 | spldart | :-( |
| 02:05.49 | JeffM | get a student to implment multiple display support in SDL, then we can look into doing radar on i t's own screen. that I'd suport |
| 02:06.07 | spldart | oooOOOOOOOoooo |
| 02:07.34 | Winny | hmm, that might be interesting |
| 02:07.38 | JeffM | very |
| 02:07.54 | JeffM | you can do it now |
| 02:07.58 | JeffM | it's just tricky ;) |
| 02:08.02 | Winny | yep |
| 02:08.11 | JeffM | I'd rather have N display support |
| 02:08.23 | spldart | And with 4 dual monitor support cards in teh hizzay I'm intrqued |
| 02:08.23 | Winny | does it at school |
| 02:08.31 | JeffM | that way you coudld do various superwide views |
| 02:08.38 | Winny | 4 dual monitor cards? oi |
| 02:09.14 | spldart | one each in 4 of the 9 pc's in the house |
| 02:10.05 | Winny | oh, I thought you were talking about all in one PC |
| 02:10.15 | spldart | nopers |
| 02:10.16 | spldart | lol |
| 02:10.23 | spldart | that's be sick |
| 02:10.35 | spldart | 4 lcd and 4 crt on one pc |
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| 02:11.21 | Think_Differentl | has an extra CRT or two laying around |
| 02:11.36 | a_temp_dist | this is somewhat related to the "game and t-shirt" discussion here recently |
| 02:11.36 | a_temp_dist | http://kevin-allen-jr.livejournal.com/81240.html |
| 02:11.41 | spldart | does too.. :) |
| 02:12.24 | Winny | Hmm, 360 degrees of monitors would be interesting |
| 02:12.41 | Winny | although you'd probably need a tri-SLI mobo with dual outputs on each card |
| 02:12.50 | spldart | I totally have a very 'trekkie' idea about that very concept :-\ |
| 02:12.57 | JeffM | Winny, you can get regular PCI cards |
| 02:13.08 | spldart | Alot of pci cards |
| 02:13.09 | Winny | JeffM: they're painfully slow last time I tried |
| 02:13.25 | JeffM | you can ge 6 displays off a single SLI board |
| 02:13.25 | spldart | And some plasma's |
| 02:13.53 | JeffM | time to homeward |
| 02:13.59 | spldart | kaplau |
| 02:13.59 | Winny | hmm.. get 6 projectors and do a virtual reality ;) |
| 02:14.03 | Winny | cya |
| 02:16.09 | spldart | Stupid as it is I would love to build a faux front half of a STNG shuttle craft in my master bedroom and do monitors for windows and then setup a dual dual processor with lots of cards for driving moniotors of trhe windows ;-D |
| 02:16.27 | spldart | s/for/of |
| 02:16.32 | spldart | errr// |
| 02:16.34 | spldart | reverse that |
| 02:17.12 | Winny | hehe |
| 02:17.49 | spldart | imagines himself playing bzflag from the helm position of a STNG type 2 shuttle craft |
| 02:18.09 | spldart | ... yes... I know.. lame |
| 02:18.11 | Winny | declares spldart a nerd |
| 02:18.21 | spldart | >spldart |
| 02:18.25 | spldart | ~spldart |
| 02:18.25 | ibot | it has been said that spldart is a n00b |
| 02:18.26 | Winny | wrong channel |
| 02:18.29 | Winny | -_ |
| 02:18.32 | spldart | heh |
| 02:18.35 | Winny | err, -_- |
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| 02:23.56 | Winny | wonders who is on leno tonight |
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| 02:35.57 | Lukstr | hello all |
| 02:36.40 | blast007 | hi |
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| 02:39.19 | Lukstr | blast007, how goes it? |
| 02:39.28 | blast007 | goes good. you? |
| 02:41.24 | Lukstr | pretty good, checking out some code :) |
| 02:41.35 | JeffM | mmmm code |
| 02:42.41 | Lukstr | nom nom |
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| 02:48.13 | Alesis-Novik | g'night everyone |
| 02:51.15 | JeffM | what's the diff between /gameover and /endgame? |
| 02:52.25 | Lukstr | round/match perhaps? |
| 02:52.48 | JeffM | we don't have those concepts ;) |
| 02:53.23 | JeffM | endgame dosn't even exist, why is it in the wiki? |
| 02:56.47 | Lukstr | checkout is raping this poor hick's wireless |
| 02:57.30 | JeffM | please don't use terms like that, as well as discuss your lilegal activities |
| 02:58.05 | JeffM | how you get your intertubes is your biz, not ours ;) |
| 02:59.07 | JeffM | is there anyreason that anyone can think of to have difrent perms for starting and stopping a match? |
| 02:59.20 | JeffM | I'm thinkin of just goin with a single MATCH perm |
| 02:59.32 | Constitution | as in, start, end, pause? |
| 02:59.36 | JeffM | yeah |
| 02:59.49 | JeffM | I mean if you can start one, should be able to stop one or pause it, I'd think |
| 02:59.55 | Constitution | yeah |
| 03:00.05 | spldart | */none from the peanut gallery. |
| 03:00.27 | JeffM | it's all being rolled into one command |
| 03:01.27 | Constitution | people with special needs can always load up a plugin to revoke the perm in the situations where they need to |
| 03:01.40 | JeffM | or have the plugin trigger just what they want |
| 03:02.38 | Constitution | or override the command :) |
| 03:02.58 | Lukstr | JeffM, sorry, not meaning to discuss illegal activities. Trying to do work in a small town :) |
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| 03:06.22 | Lukstr | I'm assuming bzworkbench is currently compilable? |
| 03:07.13 | blast007 | probably |
| 03:07.21 | Lukstr | if so, what OpenSceneGraph 2.0 files do I need, just the libs? |
| 03:07.31 | JeffMMain | compatable with what? |
| 03:07.36 | blast007 | I haven't tried in a while, and it might depend on the compiler you use |
| 03:07.41 | Lukstr | hm |
| 03:07.43 | Lukstr | gcc :/ |
| 03:07.47 | blast007 | JeffMMain: able to be compiled, not compatible |
| 03:07.57 | JeffMMain | ahh |
| 03:08.13 | JeffMMain | you need OSG, and FLTK |
| 03:08.14 | Lukstr | the docs just mention "OpenSceneGraph 2.0" |
| 03:08.24 | Lukstr | right, have FLTK |
| 03:08.35 | Lukstr | but OSG is currently version 4? |
| 03:08.58 | JeffMMain | they did 2 major revs in a year? |
| 03:09.02 | JeffMMain | that seems very odd |
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| 03:09.14 | jude- | hello all |
| 03:09.21 | JeffMMain | jude-: what version of OSG did you use? |
| 03:09.27 | jude- | 2.0 |
| 03:09.32 | jude- | but it also works with 2.2 |
| 03:09.37 | JeffMMain | what are they on now? |
| 03:09.37 | blast007 | 2.2 is the latest |
| 03:09.39 | blast007 | there is no 4 |
| 03:09.41 | JeffMMain | k |
| 03:09.47 | blast007 | http://www.openscenegraph.org/projects/osg/wiki/Downloads |
| 03:09.49 | Lukstr | jude-, hello |
| 03:09.59 | jude- | hello Lukstr |
| 03:10.02 | Lukstr | my package manager is screwy today |
| 03:10.27 | Lukstr | attempting to compile bzworkbench |
| 03:10.45 | jude- | Lukstr: which OS? |
| 03:10.58 | Lukstr | ubuntu |
| 03:11.06 | jude- | you'll need fltk1.1-dev |
| 03:11.10 | Lukstr | ahh |
| 03:11.22 | jude- | *libfltk1.1-de |
| 03:11.23 | Lukstr | apparently 117mb to install osg :S |
| 03:11.29 | jude- | *libfltk1.1-dev |
| 03:11.33 | Lukstr | roger |
| 03:11.44 | jude- | also libopenscenegraph-dev |
| 03:11.52 | Lukstr | excellent |
| 03:11.55 | jude- | should be in 7.10's repos |
| 03:12.01 | Lukstr | that's exactly what I was polling to know :) |
| 03:12.16 | blast007 | my OSG directory is 1.6GB with all the source and build files ;) |
| 03:12.25 | Lukstr | sweet god |
| 03:12.33 | jude- | it's...um...extensive :) |
| 03:12.37 | Lukstr | no kidding |
| 03:12.42 | jude- | the full release, at least |
| 03:12.49 | jude- | dev files in Debian/Ubuntu...not so much |
| 03:13.07 | jude- | (libopenscenegraph-dev is 3006k)( |
| 03:13.31 | jude- | (libopenscenegraph6 is 14.2MB) |
| 03:14.18 | Lukstr | well, dependencies :P |
| 03:14.36 | jude- | which dependencies? |
| 03:14.43 | Lukstr | way too many to list here |
| 03:14.48 | jude- | pastebin |
| 03:15.01 | Lukstr | 24-ish |
| 03:15.02 | Lukstr | k |
| 03:15.47 | Lukstr | http://pastebin.com/m41bc7a80 |
| 03:16.20 | jude- | so...does it install correctly? |
| 03:16.32 | Lukstr | It's... installing |
| 03:16.40 | Lukstr | be done in 20 odd minutes :P |
| 03:16.47 | jude- | hehe |
| 03:16.49 | Lukstr | gotta download all the packages |
| 03:16.53 | jude- | it's a one-time thing, at least |
| 03:16.53 | Lukstr | damn crappy wireless |
| 03:16.56 | Lukstr | hah |
| 03:17.03 | Lukstr | jude-, I wish, I have too many development systems :( |
| 03:17.24 | jude- | you need a code server |
| 03:17.30 | Lukstr | recently overhauled the desktop and didn't feel like setting it up to do remote work for this weekend so I hauled the laptop |
| 03:17.34 | Lukstr | I know, usually have one |
| 03:17.41 | whodaman- | jude! |
| 03:17.43 | Lukstr | ram died after a power failure and it's in a city far from me |
| 03:17.51 | jude- | whodaman-! |
| 03:17.55 | whodaman- | :D |
| 03:18.28 | Lukstr | so jude-, back for GSoC or other? |
| 03:18.38 | jude- | too early to tell |
| 03:18.44 | jude- | I have my final interview with IBM on Tuesday |
| 03:19.00 | jude- | if they make an offer, then I'm moving to North Carolina for the summer |
| 03:19.12 | jude- | otherwise, I'll stay here and apply for GSoC again |
| 03:19.27 | jude- | has his application ready just in case |
| 03:19.30 | Lukstr | hah |
| 03:19.38 | Lukstr | not going to mentor? |
| 03:20.16 | jude- | nah--I'd rather spend my summer developing :) |
| 03:20.31 | jude- | besides, there are better mentor candidates |
| 03:20.39 | jude- | *way* better mentor candidates |
| 03:21.01 | Lukstr | heh |
| 03:21.06 | Lukstr | applying to bzflag again? |
| 03:21.11 | jude- | definitely :)( |
| 03:21.14 | jude- | *:) |
| 03:21.26 | brlcad | woot |
| 03:21.33 | jude- | woot indeed :) |
| 03:21.47 | spldart | OK... I shouldn't play anymore tonight |
| 03:21.55 | jude- | has extensive plans for BZWB, if he gets accepted |
| 03:22.29 | Lukstr | wants to have extensive plans for BZWB.... if he gets it compiled |
| 03:22.34 | JeffMMain | heh |
| 03:22.35 | jude- | lol |
| 03:22.49 | jude- | Lukstr: are you applying for GSoC 2008? |
| 03:22.58 | Lukstr | for sure |
| 03:23.01 | jude- | :D |
| 03:23.09 | jude- | which part of BZFlag? |
| 03:23.22 | Lukstr | Unsure as of yet, leaning towards bzwb |
| 03:23.26 | jude- | excellent |
| 03:23.30 | jude- | BZWB really is a 2-person job |
| 03:23.43 | Lukstr | indeed |
| 03:23.46 | Lukstr | it's pretty big |
| 03:23.53 | jude- | over 20,000 lines of code |
| 03:23.56 | Lukstr | tasty |
| 03:24.03 | jude- | and it's nowhere near feature-complete |
| 03:24.08 | jude- | but the framework is in place, at least :) |
| 03:24.09 | Lukstr | so I've heard |
| 03:24.12 | Lukstr | that's good |
| 03:24.20 | Lukstr | are you planning on sticking with OSG? |
| 03:24.25 | jude- | yeah...for now |
| 03:24.40 | jude- | part of my proposal is to abstract OSG from BZWB, so it will be easier to change scenegraph libs if neede |
| 03:24.52 | Lukstr | that sounds very tasty indeed |
| 03:24.52 | jude- | *needed |
| 03:25.13 | Lukstr | Especially as bzflag gets more modular, perhaps they could share dependencies in the future :P |
| 03:25.15 | jude- | it follows from a restructuring plan I have for the object hierarchy (which will make supporting BZW 2.0 objects easier) |
| 03:25.28 | jude- | Lukstr: that's the idea :) |
| 03:25.38 | Lukstr | :) |
| 03:25.41 | jude- | i.e. BZWB could export its BZW parsing API as a lib, if needed |
| 03:25.59 | Lukstr | hm |
| 03:26.12 | Lukstr | Oh, I heard you wrote a parser by hand too :P |
| 03:26.25 | jude- | BZWB's .bzw parser? |
| 03:26.33 | Lukstr | I believe so |
| 03:26.39 | jude- | yeah--that was the first part to be finished |
| 03:26.49 | jude- | it can handle every object the bzw format currently supports |
| 03:27.02 | jude- | it's just that it can't yet render everything |
| 03:27.07 | Lukstr | hah |
| 03:27.16 | jude- | or supply the user with dialogs to configure them |
| 03:27.17 | brlcad | that really should be merged with the current parsing code |
| 03:27.20 | Lukstr | right |
| 03:27.40 | jude- | brlcad: yeah, maybe this summer :) |
| 03:27.51 | Lukstr | I expected bzwb to be reusing much of bzflag's code, but I was surprised to learn it didn't |
| 03:27.54 | brlcad | refactoring the two into one bzw parsing library could possibly be a project in itself |
| 03:28.01 | jude- | definitely |
| 03:28.16 | Lukstr | is aroused at that idea |
| 03:28.28 | blast007 | libBZW |
| 03:28.30 | Lukstr | in a non-sexual purely caffeine related way, of course :) |
| 03:28.40 | jude- | Lukstr: that would be ideal if it did, but BZFlag's scenegraph system is designed for gaming; OSG is designed for visualization |
| 03:28.56 | jude- | and OSG takes less visualization :) |
| 03:28.56 | Lukstr | yeah that's why I figured you started from scratch |
| 03:29.02 | jude- | *less CPU |
| 03:29.02 | brlcad | Lukstr: yeah, we definitely would have like much more code reuse |
| 03:29.14 | Lukstr | I'm all for the code reuse |
| 03:29.36 | blast007 | jude-: though currently the CPU usage is really high with larger amounts of objects |
| 03:29.40 | brlcad | the only bigger issue is that the task itself is rather substantial and reuse usually implies refactoring, and to be messing with the core game code means careful refactoring (which takes time to do right usually) |
| 03:29.54 | JeffMMain | jude-: where do you get that BZ is worse at it's graph? |
| 03:30.08 | jude- | JeffMMain--I never said it was worse |
| 03:30.17 | Lukstr | I'll really have to dig through this some more tomorrow, hopefully I can really bury myself with code |
| 03:30.32 | JeffMMain | you impled that it ussed less CPU ;) |
| 03:30.36 | jude- | IIRC, it was harder to abstract from the game than using a scenegraph from scratch :) |
| 03:30.44 | JeffMMain | that is true |
| 03:30.48 | jude- | JeffMMain: that's just in my experience |
| 03:30.58 | JeffMMain | they both are a simple octree |
| 03:31.02 | jude- | hang on--I have to pick up my little brother |
| 03:31.09 | brlcad | Lukstr: that would be a useful project to propose -- integrating bzwb with the mainline code base, helping polish it up for release, making that bzw parsing lib |
| 03:31.31 | Lukstr | brlcad, I will draft an application, no doubt, for exactly that |
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| 03:31.44 | Lukstr | I was leaning towards code refactoring but this is a spendid idea |
| 03:31.54 | brlcad | code refactoring of any sort is a great idea |
| 03:32.03 | Lukstr | er, general code refactoring |
| 03:32.07 | brlcad | yup |
| 03:32.10 | Lukstr | well, it's better to say "refactor blah blah" |
| 03:32.16 | Lukstr | than just "uhh, refactor some code." |
| 03:32.22 | Lukstr | :D |
| 03:32.38 | brlcad | yeah, the proposal itself has to be way more detailed, but the plan itself can be that general |
| 03:33.02 | Lukstr | heh |
| 03:33.14 | spldart | <PROTECTED> |
| 03:33.21 | spldart | It would be so difficult |
| 03:33.29 | spldart | is near a breakdown |
| 03:33.29 | Lukstr | spldart, que? |
| 03:33.32 | brlcad | bzwb integration/refactoring is sort of a task in itself, though -- if you are thinking of that route, should either make it a separate proposal or stick with one or the other |
| 03:34.14 | spldart | I'm trying to setup a linux boxen side by side with a windows boxen.. Both ready to build code and debug code at the same time in windoze and linus |
| 03:34.20 | spldart | But they are fight6ing me |
| 03:34.24 | Lukstr | well, definitely work towards refactoring in such a way to allow bzwb easy use of such changes (i.e. shared libs) |
| 03:34.31 | spldart | How am i suppossed to conquer the universe?!?! |
| 03:35.03 | spldart | Must kill KM400 |
| 03:35.05 | Lukstr | spldart, what do you mean same time |
| 03:36.43 | spldart | Meh.. N/M.. I'm ranting about xorg glx problems at the moment anywho.. try not to mind me.. I'll try to stop ranting ;-) |
| 03:37.09 | Lukstr | haha |
| 03:38.08 | brlcad | the big refactoring tasks I think would be of higher precedence is 1) libgame refactoring (separation of graphics from game state) 2) bzwb refactoring (integration and bzw lib) 3) bzrobots refactoring (more separation of graphics from game state, get it working on windows) |
| 03:38.54 | brlcad | in no particular order, they'd all make great projects |
| 03:39.17 | Lukstr | 2 tickles my fancy :) |
| 03:39.39 | Lukstr | jude-|AFK, which opengl libs are needed, the dev ones? |
| 03:40.12 | JeffMMain | you are developing ;) |
| 03:40.13 | JeffMMain | so yes |
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| 03:42.09 | JeffM | can any leaguies review this for me? http://my.bzflag.org/w/Match_Management_System |
| 03:43.13 | whodaman- | JeffM, I'll best repaste that in ##guleague |
| 03:51.20 | jude- | back |
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| 03:51.59 | Lukstr | jude-, http://pastebin.com/m70f7479e |
| 03:52.42 | jude- | you're still missing something |
| 03:52.44 | jude- | let me see |
| 03:52.53 | Lukstr | I'm guessing that too |
| 03:53.05 | Lukstr | I meant to ask, which opengl deps are needed |
| 03:53.21 | jude- | libgl1-dev, I believe (should be an OSG dependency) |
| 03:53.23 | Lukstr | I have some already, but unsure of what specific packages |
| 03:53.40 | jude- | uses his package manager to find out |
| 03:53.50 | Lukstr | I installed... |
| 03:54.05 | Lukstr | libgl1-mesa-dev I believe |
| 03:54.08 | jude- | did you install the openscenegraph package? |
| 03:54.14 | Lukstr | yes |
| 03:54.36 | jude- | you're missing components of OSG, from the looks of it |
| 03:54.42 | jude- | osgViewer/Viewer |
| 03:54.47 | jude- | osgViewer/ViewerEventHandlers |
| 03:54.51 | jude- | osg/Camera |
| 03:54.54 | Lukstr | :S |
| 03:55.16 | jude- | do you have /usr/include/osgViewer/? |
| 03:55.21 | Lukstr | checking |
| 03:55.34 | brlcad | JeffM: should only allow substitutions if playerA is paused, NR, or dead |
| 03:55.54 | Lukstr | negative, jude- |
| 03:55.58 | brlcad | also /countdown's functionality is still very useful, i.e. announcing the match to start prior to start |
| 03:55.58 | jude- | that's a problem :/ |
| 03:56.05 | JeffMMain | brlcad: good call |
| 03:56.18 | Lukstr | aye |
| 03:56.21 | jude- | perhaps ubuntu includes a different OSG source hierarchy |
| 03:56.25 | Lukstr | perhaps, |
| 03:56.27 | jude- | do you have /usr/include/osg |
| 03:56.27 | Lukstr | will check |
| 03:56.29 | Lukstr | yes |
| 03:56.33 | jude- | what's in it? |
| 03:56.49 | jude- | should be a bunch of files |
| 03:56.57 | Lukstr | there are |
| 03:57.04 | jude- | no osgViewer in there? |
| 03:57.13 | Lukstr | nope |
| 03:57.24 | blast007 | it needs "Camera" |
| 03:57.31 | blast007 | warning: osg/Camera: No such file or directory |
| 03:57.39 | jude- | blast007: it needs more than that... |
| 03:57.54 | jude- | you're missing at least three files |
| 03:57.58 | blast007 | ah, yeah, that too |
| 03:58.05 | jude- | Lukstr: looks like you'll be compiling from source :/ |
| 03:58.09 | jude- | or using Debian's package |
| 03:58.14 | jude- | (which I'm using) |
| 03:58.15 | Lukstr | jude-, apparently some weird things happened during the osg install |
| 03:58.16 | Lukstr | trying to fix |
| 03:59.02 | Lukstr | fixing... |
| 03:59.29 | Lukstr | apparently that's included with the openscenegraph package, and not the dev one |
| 03:59.42 | Lukstr | regardless, 4mb package |
| 03:59.51 | jude- | using apt-file? |
| 04:00.07 | Lukstr | nope |
| 04:00.16 | jude- | how do you know that osgViewer is in openscenegraph? |
| 04:00.24 | Lukstr | magics |
| 04:00.30 | Lukstr | I typed "osgViewer" |
| 04:00.32 | Lukstr | it said |
| 04:00.43 | jude- | huh |
| 04:00.48 | Lukstr | "Not installed. To install type `sudo apt-get install openscenegraph`" |
| 04:00.49 | Lukstr | :P |
| 04:00.55 | jude- | kk |
| 04:01.01 | jude- | I guess you'll need to do that, then |
| 04:01.14 | jude- | (in Debian, it's a part of libopenscenegraph-dev) |
| 04:02.09 | jude- | Lukstr: just to prepare you, the UI needs a facelift |
| 04:02.17 | jude- | most of the exciting stuff happens behind the scenes |
| 04:02.24 | Lukstr | roger |
| 04:06.35 | Lukstr | rarh |
| 04:06.37 | Lukstr | silly lag |
| 04:10.10 | Lukstr | jude-, apparently the current version of osg is... weird, they're moving viewer to a different project, so it's not included at all in current tags, will have to get head... |
| 04:10.34 | jude- | weird |
| 04:10.54 | Lukstr | indeed |
| 04:11.15 | blast007 | I have OSG 2.0 on windows here |
| 04:11.26 | blast007 | and that's what I used to build BZWB |
| 04:11.41 | blast007 | Lukstr: what Ubuntu do you have? |
| 04:11.55 | blast007 | I have a 7.10 machine upstairs |
| 04:13.11 | Lukstr | 7.10, yes |
| 04:14.30 | Lukstr | package seems to be 1.2 |
| 04:14.35 | Lukstr | instead of 2.0 |
| 04:17.51 | jude- | has uploaded his proposal to the BZFlag wiki |
| 04:19.55 | Lukstr | ascii art hurts :( |
| 04:22.01 | jude- | Lukstr: still downloading? |
| 04:26.42 | Lukstr | jude-, seems I'll have to get osg from somewhere other than ubuntu repos, as they're 1.2 |
| 04:26.48 | Lukstr | which is weird |
| 04:27.17 | jude- | ??? Debian has a later version of something than Ubuntu ??? |
| 04:27.26 | jude- | that's....unheard of |
| 04:27.34 | jude- | :D |
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| 04:27.54 | jude- | I think you can install the OSG .debs from their download site |
| 04:28.03 | jude- | if ubuntu doesn't provide the right version |
| 04:28.05 | Lukstr | haha apparently |
| 04:28.56 | Lukstr | gah |
| 04:28.59 | Lukstr | package is in hardy |
| 04:29.12 | Lukstr | only, as it seems |
| 04:29.13 | Lukstr | :( |
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| 04:29.53 | jude- | eek |
| 04:30.01 | jude- | I guess you'll have to install it manually |
| 04:30.18 | Lukstr | we'll see about using a different package |
| 04:30.54 | Lukstr | bizarre that it's not pushed onto other versions |
| 04:34.18 | blast007 | or build your own ;) |
| 04:34.26 | jude- | hmmm...it seems that not even DTRemenak, brlcad, and JeffM can hide from the intertubes |
| 04:34.46 | jude- | found their 2007 GSoC picture online |
| 04:35.02 | blast007 | jude-: they had posted it here before as well :P |
| 04:35.06 | blast007 | not like it was a secret |
| 04:35.13 | jude- | really? where? |
| 04:35.34 | blast007 | that was ages ago |
| 04:35.39 | blast007 | like... last year ;) |
| 04:36.22 | jude- | I guess I should be more observant |
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| 04:38.04 | blast007 | pokes JeffMMain |
| 04:38.10 | blast007 | is it alive? |
| 04:38.37 | jude- | where was that picture taken, anyway? |
| 04:39.08 | Lukstr | rargh! well, since it's late and the internet is sucking very hard, I'll work on this more tomorrow |
| 04:39.09 | Lukstr | night all |
| 04:39.13 | Lukstr | nice meeting you, jude |
| 04:39.28 | jude- | nice meeting you too Lukstr |
| 04:39.31 | jude- | I hope you make it |
| 04:39.50 | Lukstr | hah, thanks, hope you do too! (if not the IBM gig :D) |
| 04:40.06 | jude- | one of the two would be nice :) |
| 04:40.11 | Lukstr | hehe |
| 04:40.15 | Lukstr | night all! |
| 04:40.18 | jude- | 'night |
| 04:43.27 | whodaman- | must ...sleeep..... |
| 04:52.00 | JeffMMain | ? |
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| 05:15.47 | CIA-16 | BZFlag: 03JeffM2501 * r16772 10/trunk/bzflag/ (4 files in 3 dirs): int -> size_t |
| 05:16.25 | jude- | goes to play some BZFlag |
| 05:20.28 | brlcad | updated our GSoC documentation |
| 05:21.12 | brlcad | http://my.bzflag.org/w/Google_Summer_of_Code and http://my.bzflag.org/w/Google_Summer_of_Code/2008 and http://my.bzflag.org/w/Google_Summer_of_Code_Acceptance in particular |
| 05:22.48 | spldart | DOOHHH!!!! Stupid debian has a stupid broken repository on one stupid package and I can't get stupid gl goin for all stupid easter weekend... |
| 05:22.56 | spldart | BzzZZzzztt |
| 05:28.58 | L4m3r | short_circuit: which version of Debian? |
| 05:30.20 | short_circuit | stable.. etch |
| 05:30.41 | short_circuit | apparently they broke one silly package |
| 05:30.48 | short_circuit | meh.. |
| 05:30.54 | L4m3r | which package? |
| 05:31.03 | short_circuit | I'll start trying their other servers tomoorrow see if I can get it taken care of |
| 05:31.08 | L4m3r | ...I guess I should not run an apt-get upgrade this weekend :P |
| 05:31.22 | short_circuit | you would ask... I think it was nvidia-gl somethingorother |
| 05:31.32 | L4m3r | nvidia-glx? |
| 05:31.32 | short_circuit | -common |
| 05:31.35 | short_circuit | me thinks |
| 05:31.38 | L4m3r | ah |
| 05:31.57 | short_circuit | I'm goin to bed now |
| 05:42.50 | whodaman- | eh, can't connect to list server |
| 05:44.57 | short_circuit | hrmn |
| 05:45.03 | short_circuit | I thought I was the onjly one |
| 05:45.31 | short_circuit | list server mediocre and getting NR on several servers periodically... it's cleared up now though |
| 05:46.10 | short_circuit | Is the bzflag guided missle suppossed to be a 'guide by wire' system instead of 'fire and forget'? |
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| 05:46.35 | short_circuit | Drive by |
| 05:47.03 | JeffM2501 | internet is being wonkey :( |
| 05:47.07 | whodaman- | :) |
| 05:47.11 | whodaman- | :(* |
| 05:47.42 | short_circuit | whickity whickity wack |
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| 05:48.44 | short_circuit | crashes |
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| 05:50.38 | javawizard2539_ | This is wierd |
| 05:50.48 | javawizard2539_ | nvm |
| 05:51.03 | short_circuit | ooOOoo spooky |
| 05:57.31 | CIA-16 | BZFlag: 03JeffM2501 * r16773 10/trunk/bzflag/ (3 files in 2 dirs): start the MatchManager |
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| 06:00.43 | brlcad | javawizard2539_: hm? |
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| 07:05.37 | javawizard2539__ | This is really weird |
| 07:05.54 | javawizard2539__ | It says I'm signed on 3 times, and both previous times my internet connection faulted |
| 07:06.23 | javawizard2539__ | Anyone know of some sort of command I can run to tell IRC to ping the other 2 usernames it says i'm signed on as and then disconnect them? |
| 07:06.34 | javawizard2539__ | There we go |
| 07:36.20 | L4m3r | javawizard2539: if your original nick is registered, you can ghost it |
| 07:36.55 | L4m3r | er... wait, screw it |
| 07:37.00 | L4m3r | -_- |
| 07:41.00 | L4m3r | crap, why does bz_ShotFiredEventData not include the shot ID? bleh... I'll fix it tomorrow |
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| 08:31.38 | Constitution | bzbb admins: http://my.bzflag.org/bb/viewtopic.php?t=10003 |
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| 11:32.33 | Guest111 | moin |
| 11:32.40 | donny_baker | morning |
| 11:33.12 | Guest111 | wie kann ich neue maps laden |
| 11:33.43 | Epyon | -world? :P |
| 11:34.07 | Epyon | And this is probably an english only channel BTW :P |
| 11:35.30 | whodaman- | Guest111, neue maps laden? |
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| 12:00.07 | Alesis-Novik | 'mornin |
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| 12:57.26 | donny_baker | hi Alesis-Novik, started working on the app? |
| 12:57.42 | donny_baker | application* |
| 12:58.50 | Alesis-Novik | reading up now ;) But i did download and check it out. what do you think I should start with? |
| 13:14.11 | donny_baker | that is up to you ;) |
| 13:14.54 | donny_baker | have you figured out what part you want to work on? |
| 13:26.23 | Alesis-Novik | i'd like to work on bzrobot |
| 13:37.08 | Winny | yawms |
| 13:37.16 | Winny | s/m/n/ |
| 13:50.17 | Alesis-Novik | donny_baker, any tips where to start from in bzrobot? :) |
| 13:50.57 | Winny | I'm not donny_baker, but maybe talk to jorgenpt... he created it |
| 13:54.42 | donny_baker | Alesis-Novik: i found a list of shortcomings for bzrobots somewhere... trying to find it |
| 13:54.56 | Alesis-Novik | sure... |
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| 13:56.50 | Skater | Hey all. |
| 13:56.55 | Winny | hi |
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| 14:00.05 | whodaman- | hi |
| 14:01.08 | Alesis-Novik | hi |
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| 14:35.19 | donny_baker | Alesis-Novik: couldn't find it, but there are plenty of things that need to happen IIRC |
| 14:37.36 | Alesis-Novik | i think so too... i remember seeing that page |
| 14:40.43 | donny_baker | Alesis-Novik: here it is on the Forums: http://my.bzflag.org/bb/viewtopic.php?t=11380&highlight=bzrobots |
| 14:40.51 | donny_baker | last post by learner |
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| 14:43.00 | Alesis-Novik | and here is the wiki http://my.bzflag.org/w/BZRobots/About |
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| 14:54.53 | jorgenpt | Mornin' :) |
| 14:54.57 | Winny | morning |
| 14:55.23 | spldart | Mornin |
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| 15:05.30 | Winny | blames jorgenpt |
| 15:06.58 | jorgenpt | :( |
| 15:07.06 | Winny | (: |
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| 16:21.21 | spldart | I always forget.. what's the package to get opengl on debian etch? |
| 16:21.30 | spldart | for the build |
| 16:21.52 | ruskie | isn't there some build-deps you can get for a backage command? |
| 16:24.14 | blast007 | spldart: if you're using an nVidia card, I think there is one specificall for nvidia |
| 16:25.03 | blast007 | nvidia-glx-dev maybe |
| 16:25.19 | spldart | got that |
| 16:25.44 | spldart | I think I ran my head into the problem a few months ago... missing one odd link |
| 16:26.11 | blast007 | on Ubuntu it was pretty easy. I haven't tried on debian. |
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| 16:32.47 | Winny | Never gonna give you up, never gonna let you down! |
| 16:33.11 | blast007 | <PROTECTED> |
| 16:33.34 | Winny | hehe |
| 16:33.41 | blast007 | poor Guest111 got rickrolled right off |
| 16:33.49 | Winny | \o/ |
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| 16:42.51 | spldart | ^collateral rickroll damage? |
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| 16:56.16 | Pimpinella | there was a command to shut down jerks, no? |
| 16:56.25 | Pimpinella | somebody to remind me? |
| 16:58.14 | Pimpinella | already got it, tnx |
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| 17:10.19 | spldart | takes dunce hat off... |
| 17:10.37 | spldart | Soon I will have a definitive list of all packages to build trunk in deb etch with nvidia prepackaged kernel module etc |
| 17:11.00 | spldart | gl.h can catch you off guard grrrr. |
| 17:17.55 | whodaman- | ~Saturos++ |
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| 17:34.02 | spldart | YES! It is done.... I'm ready to conquer the world |
| 17:34.56 | spldart | Left hand playing linux trunk client, right hand playing windows trunk client. Both @ home, both on linux server running @ work. I am ZIM!!! |
| 17:35.05 | ruskie | lol |
| 17:36.25 | spldart | I can now test TH over and over and I need noone else!!! I can play with myself!!! o_O |
| 17:37.23 | ruskie | lol |
| 17:38.25 | short_circuit | Must work on the cars now. bbl |
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| 17:51.00 | Ride | jeff i need your help |
| 17:54.11 | Ride | does anyone here know how to filter a server |
| 17:54.29 | Epyon | "/" |
| 17:54.36 | Epyon | dowsn't work? |
| 17:54.41 | Ride | idk |
| 17:54.45 | Ride | not my server |
| 17:54.55 | Ride | its laserball's and im trying to help |
| 17:55.00 | Epyon | What do you mean by "filter"? |
| 17:55.14 | Ride | ahh filter swearing and such |
| 17:55.29 | whodaman- | oh lol |
| 17:55.39 | Epyon | lol^2 :D |
| 17:55.48 | Ride | can you tell me how |
| 17:55.52 | whodaman- | You can't do that unless you have control over the server |
| 17:55.56 | Ride | or just come to the server to help |
| 17:55.57 | Epyon | I'm afraid the only way is kickban :P |
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| 17:56.22 | Ride | whoda can you come? |
| 17:56.33 | whodaman- | uh, why? |
| 17:56.42 | Ride | we need help |
| 17:56.46 | Ride | just come to |
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| 17:57.06 | whodaman- | Just leave the server |
| 17:57.18 | whodaman- | not my problem if the admining sucks |
| 17:57.22 | Ride | there he is |
| 17:57.23 | laserball31 | Manu |
| 17:57.25 | whodaman- | *administration |
| 17:57.29 | Ride | laser did you figure it out |
| 17:57.33 | laserball31 | No |
| 17:57.36 | whodaman- | makes a note that admining is not a word |
| 17:57.46 | Ride | blast is afk |
| 17:57.54 | Ride | and jeff isn't even here |
| 17:57.56 | laserball31 | Ask Manu |
| 17:58.20 | whodaman- | You want to add a swearfilter to the server? |
| 17:58.26 | laserball31 | Yea |
| 17:58.32 | laserball31 | so likethis |
| 17:58.37 | laserball31 | a$@&^a |
| 17:58.41 | laserball31 | like that |
| 17:58.59 | laserball31 | not a****a |
| 17:59.01 | Epyon | O.o |
| 17:59.16 | laserball31 | I tryed |
| 17:59.21 | laserball31 | wouldn't work |
| 17:59.44 | whodaman- | http://my.bzflag.org/w/Sample_conf |
| 17:59.53 | whodaman- | It's all explained in there |
| 17:59.53 | laserball31 | ok |
| 17:59.57 | whodaman- | figure it out |
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| 18:00.24 | Ride | laserball31: you have to download the swears file and download it with the server |
| 18:00.31 | Ride | according to Manu |
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| 18:01.22 | laserball31 | No |
| 18:01.27 | laserball31 | just make a badwords file |
| 18:01.42 | laserball31 | so if i dont use -filterSimple |
| 18:01.47 | Ride | laserball31: then add the parameter: -badwords path/file |
| 18:01.57 | laserball31 | it will be a^%%%A |
| 18:02.09 | laserball31 | right? |
| 18:02.28 | Manu | laserball31: there are two modes, the normal and what i call paranoid mode :) |
| 18:02.38 | Manu | paranoid mode does extensive analisis |
| 18:03.49 | Manu | laserball31: you can ask brlcad, he implemented it |
| 18:04.18 | Ride | he is afk |
| 18:04.42 | brlcad | only if you want to know implementation details |
| 18:04.51 | Ride | ahhh there he is |
| 18:04.53 | brlcad | it's all documented as to how to use it |
| 18:04.53 | Ride | !!! |
| 18:04.59 | laserball31 | brlcad |
| 18:05.27 | brlcad | see the bzfs manual page and the sample conf |
| 18:05.39 | laserball31 | I need to make my server respond to this: aassa |
| 18:05.43 | laserball31 | so its like |
| 18:05.47 | laserball31 | a%$#a |
| 18:06.01 | brlcad | see the bzfs manual page and the sample conf |
| 18:06.07 | Manu | brlcad: I also pointed him to read the serwars file |
| 18:06.22 | brlcad | there's absolutely no point for us to write documentation if you're not going to read it when you need it |
| 18:06.32 | laserball31 | I did read it |
| 18:06.36 | laserball31 | im just confirming |
| 18:06.37 | brlcad | then reread it |
| 18:06.56 | brlcad | not just the conf, read the manual page too |
| 18:07.21 | laserball31 | that if i do aassa, when i have -filterSimple, it will show up as a@#!a |
| 18:07.23 | Manu | of course, but he was asking for the symbols replacing the chars |
| 18:07.36 | laserball31 | right? |
| 18:07.43 | Manu | yes |
| 18:07.54 | laserball31 | I did it wand it wont work |
| 18:07.56 | Manu | but it does a simple analisis |
| 18:07.58 | laserball31 | i tryed it |
| 18:08.32 | Manu | if you insert blanks between letters then it doesn't detect it |
| 18:08.38 | Manu | in simple mode |
| 18:09.37 | brlcad | simple filtering is .. simple |
| 18:09.49 | brlcad | it's not going to detect words embedded |
| 18:10.08 | laserball31 | if i dont use -filterSimple, it will detect aassa? |
| 18:10.18 | brlcad | did you try it? |
| 18:10.23 | laserball31 | yup |
| 18:10.42 | laserball31 | i checked my whole conf for other -filterSimple |
| 18:10.51 | laserball31 | i didnt find |
| 18:11.06 | brlcad | what other filter options are you using? |
| 18:11.22 | laserball31 | -filterChat and -filterCallsigns |
| 18:12.29 | brlcad | and presumably your badwords file has a matching pattern |
| 18:13.08 | laserball31 | another *** in it? |
| 18:13.54 | brlcad | huh? |
| 18:14.08 | laserball31 | a s s |
| 18:14.11 | laserball31 | in it |
| 18:14.15 | Ride- | Winny:nvm |
| 18:14.19 | Winny | heh, k |
| 18:15.00 | brlcad | there is actually at least one bug with that specific word being in the badwords file that was never traced down |
| 18:15.11 | brlcad | something about it being the first/only word in the list iirc |
| 18:15.19 | brlcad | couple years ago though |
| 18:15.30 | laserball31 | i tryed a****a |
| 18:15.34 | laserball31 | it didnt work |
| 18:15.40 | Winny | brlcad: drupal? ;) |
| 18:15.50 | brlcad | try it in a sentence |
| 18:15.50 | laserball31 | i came up with a-you-know-what-a |
| 18:15.58 | Winny | Should I continue bugging you, or wait? |
| 18:16.04 | brlcad | continue |
| 18:16.08 | laserball31 | Ride- |
| 18:16.09 | brlcad | and wait |
| 18:16.15 | Winny | ok :) |
| 18:16.16 | brlcad | but continue :) |
| 18:16.40 | brlcad | just have to get gsoc materials in place first as it's time-sensitive |
| 18:16.50 | laserball31 | brb |
| 18:16.51 | Winny | ahh, ok |
| 18:16.53 | laserball31 | im trying it |
| 18:17.11 | Ride- | laserball31: you have a cheater on you server |
| 18:17.36 | laserball31 | who |
| 18:18.33 | Ride- | idk people were saying that there was cheater |
| 18:18.35 | Ride- | oh |
| 18:18.40 | Ride- | ahh Stooned |
| 18:18.47 | Ride- | *Stoned |
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| 18:30.25 | Lukstr | afternoon all |
| 18:32.04 | laserball31 | thanks |
| 18:32.06 | laserball31 | i fix it |
| 18:32.08 | laserball31 | bye |
| 19:03.46 | SpazzyMcGee | Is the patch to have two rabbits a simple one? |
| 19:04.17 | SpazzyMcGee | And is there a plan to add it as a server option in 3.x |
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| 20:22.27 | pacman87 | for rabbit hunt maps, will bz_getTeamPlayerLimit(eRogueTeam) give me the max number of players, or do i need to use bz_getTeamPlayerLimit(eHunterTeam) + bz_getTeamPlayerLimit(eRabbitTeam)? |
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| 20:59.17 | spldart | http://my.bzflag.org/w/Bz_getTeamPlayerLimit ? |
| 20:59.40 | spldart | "This API function will return the maximum number of players that the server is configured to allow for the specified team" |
| 21:00.00 | spldart | I believe rabbit is a diff team iirc |
| 21:00.26 | spldart | But I could be wrong |
| 21:00.57 | spldart | hrm... does rabbit here team chat? |
| 21:01.04 | spldart | s/hear/here |
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| 21:01.44 | spldart | Gah.. Now I think I'm wrong |
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| 21:20.14 | pacman87 | i did some tests |
| 21:20.28 | pacman87 | and adding all three gives the right number for rabbit chase |
| 21:21.07 | spldart | huh |
| 21:21.13 | spldart | kew |
| 21:21.25 | pacman87 | the server config only uses rogue though, for -mp |
| 21:21.31 | spldart | yeah |
| 21:21.38 | pacman87 | hence my confusion |
| 21:21.59 | pacman87 | i'll try rabbit chase just checking rogue and see what happens |
| 21:23.07 | pacman87 | actually, i was just adding rogue and hunters - off-by-one on my loop :-( |
| 21:26.33 | pacman87 | it's just rogues |
| 21:27.21 | blast007 | pacman87: keep in mind if you write the same plugin for 3.0, that hunters are a real team |
| 21:27.55 | pacman87 | ah, so just keep hunters and rabbits in the sum, since they're currently zero |
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| 22:12.07 | pacman87 | bz_getTeamPlayerLimit() and bz_getTeamCount() behave differently with hunters |
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| 22:13.54 | pacman87 | limit functions as expected for hunters on a FFA (returns 0), but count for hunters returns the rogue count instead of 0 |
| 22:18.27 | pacman87 | so i'll have to make it 2.0 specific and update it for 3.0 later |
| 22:18.56 | spldart | It's really REALLY dev quiet today |
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| 22:35.59 | whodaman- | ~Saturos++ |
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| 23:11.24 | L4m3r | I'd like to add the shotID to the shotFired event in the 2.0 API... it'd require a bump in the API version methinks. any objections? |
| 23:12.55 | spldart | heh... It's been so dev quiet... |
| 23:13.35 | L4m3r | well, it is saturday, and most of the other devs probably have lives :) |
| 23:14.23 | spldart | Not just saturdzy... there is usual more goin on.. It |
| 23:14.27 | spldart | s easter weekend |
| 23:14.35 | spldart | yay easter egg's |
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| 23:21.42 | felipe__ | BZFCHEAT.BLOGSPOT.COM |
| 23:21.45 | felipe__ | BZFCHEAT.BLOGSPOT.COM |
| 23:22.16 | spldart | umm |
| 23:22.20 | spldart | shut up? |
| 23:22.22 | felipe__ | BZFCHEAT.BLOGSPOT.COM |
| 23:22.33 | felipe__ | BZFCHEAT.BLOGSPOT.COM get your cheat client |
| 23:23.21 | felipe__ | BZFCHEAT.BLOGSPOT.COM get your cheat client, god mode, flying w/o wings, guided lasers and bullets, wallwalking etc.. |
| 23:24.22 | whodaman- | hmm |
| 23:24.44 | F687s | But you have to do it yourself... |
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| 23:26.02 | felipe__ | BZFCHEAT.BLOGSPOT.COM get your cheat client, god mode, flying w/o wings, guided lasers and bullets, wallwalking etc.. |
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| 23:26.13 | felipe__ | BZFCHEAT.BLOGSPOT.COM get your cheat client, god mode, flying w/o wings, guided lasers and bullets, wallwalking etc.. |
| 23:26.24 | whodaman- | tomaw, ^^ |
| 23:26.34 | kirby | i see a lot of channel ops |
| 23:27.24 | PseudoOne | aw, stopped now |
| 23:28.03 | tomaw | whodaman-: ta |
| 23:28.33 | Alesis-Novik | kick felipe__ ? |
| 23:28.42 | PseudoOne | the ops are not present :p |
| 23:28.49 | spldart | been dev quiet |
| 23:30.52 | whodaman- | nice |
| 23:30.54 | whodaman- | thanks for that |
| 23:31.13 | kirby | it left voluntarily :) |
| 23:31.21 | whodaman- | yeah |
| 23:31.40 | spldart | Lets hope it doesn't come back with it's buddies |
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| 23:38.35 | jftsang | IIRC, somebody told me about a major cheater attack |
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