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| 00:03.15 | JeffM | Jafa.. Cree! |
| 00:03.27 | Winny | JeffM: so |
| 00:03.34 | Winny | did you get us all tonka trucks? |
| 00:03.42 | JeffM | no |
| 00:03.49 | Winny | aww |
| 00:03.49 | JeffM | they did not have what I was looking for |
| 00:03.57 | Winny | barbie mobiles, then? |
| 00:03.58 | JeffM | I may have to drive to glendale |
| 00:04.03 | JeffM | to the lego store |
| 00:04.20 | Winny | What are you trying to find? |
| 00:04.22 | JeffM | lest the interwebs can help me |
| 00:04.29 | JeffM | indiana jones legos! |
| 00:04.37 | JeffM | tiny...plastic...fedora |
| 00:04.48 | Winny | haha |
| 00:05.00 | JeffM | not for me, but for a gift |
| 00:05.08 | JeffM | target was sold out of em |
| 00:05.08 | spldart | goauld? |
| 00:05.18 | JeffM | hallowed are the Ori! |
| 00:05.40 | JeffM | I can not watch the movie untill I have finished season 10 |
| 00:05.45 | spldart | I just obtained and watched, for the first time SG1 S1 |
| 00:06.00 | JeffM | it gets better |
| 00:06.01 | spldart | Better than I expected |
| 00:06.04 | JeffM | Season 1 is not that great |
| 00:06.09 | spldart | I will have to obtain more |
| 00:07.44 | JeffM | season 9 has been not bad |
| 00:07.55 | spldart | You talking watching the kurt russel movie? |
| 00:08.26 | JeffM | no |
| 00:08.32 | JeffM | there is an SG1 movie |
| 00:08.37 | JeffM | the ark of truth |
| 00:08.41 | spldart | OH! |
| 00:08.44 | JeffM | takes place after season 10 |
| 00:08.57 | JeffM | I started it but since I was not caught up, I do not know the backstory |
| 00:09.10 | JeffM | so I went back to season 8 and have been pushing onward. |
| 00:09.44 | JeffM | sets L4m3r's order up so we can find it again :) |
| 00:11.43 | spldart | hrm... well I'll acquire them slowly. Got lots of different media I'm after through various sources.. AH!!! Netflix... muwaahahahahaha |
| 00:14.10 | JeffM | wishes he had illustrator |
| 00:15.32 | Saturos | JeffM: http://saturos.de/s/tanklines.jpg |
| 00:15.38 | spldart | season 2 in que but Very long wait.... |
| 00:15.44 | JeffM | bastard ;) |
| 00:16.07 | JeffM | got that in SVG? |
| 00:16.12 | Saturos | the automatic inkscape tracer did a good job.. of course one would need to clean it up. it has way too many vertices. |
| 00:16.20 | JeffM | ahh automatic |
| 00:16.34 | Saturos | this was done in like 10 secs |
| 00:16.45 | JeffM | I keep hiting the space bar to let me pan scroll the image :( |
| 00:19.55 | Saturos | http://dev.saturos.de/logothingy_inkscape.svg <- in case you want it although it was automatic |
| 00:21.21 | JeffM | oy yeah, that is prety pad isn't it? |
| 00:21.39 | Saturos | pad? |
| 00:21.40 | JeffM | cus it's not centerline |
| 00:21.42 | JeffM | bad |
| 00:21.49 | JeffM | it's shape outlines |
| 00:21.51 | JeffM | that sucks |
| 00:22.00 | Saturos | thats how I did the other one too |
| 00:22.15 | Saturos | it gives more control over the actual shape |
| 00:22.19 | JeffM | yeah |
| 00:22.22 | Saturos | but its a pain to work with, true |
| 00:22.29 | JeffM | but not the best for actual development of the image for me :) |
| 00:22.34 | JeffM | PS it is for designs :) |
| 00:23.12 | Saturos | one would normally need to trace it with the line tool |
| 00:23.18 | JeffM | indeed |
| 00:23.31 | Saturos | which is a bit of work |
| 00:24.18 | Saturos | did you get feedback about the printability of my artwork? |
| 00:24.24 | JeffM | yes |
| 00:24.32 | JeffM | there is no problem with it |
| 00:24.42 | Saturos | since you haven't yelled at me yet I assumed that ;) |
| 00:24.43 | JeffM | tho we are going with another printer |
| 00:24.52 | Saturos | yeah, I read that somewhere |
| 00:25.09 | JeffM | saves 75-80$ |
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| 00:25.28 | JeffM | more for the shirt people, cus it lets me take the shirts down to 12 |
| 00:25.40 | Saturos | wow |
| 00:25.49 | JeffM | yeah |
| 00:25.54 | Saturos | thats incredible |
| 00:25.57 | JeffM | indeed |
| 00:26.32 | Saturos | 12 $ is roughly 7,5 EUR |
| 00:26.46 | Saturos | I mean... you dont even get a shirt without a print for 7.5 EUR |
| 00:27.04 | JeffM | my logic is, the cheaper we make em, the more we will sell :) |
| 00:27.13 | Saturos | I would pay something along 25 EUR for the shirt including my prints |
| 00:27.18 | Saturos | And that would be a good offer |
| 00:31.15 | Epyon | JeffM, what about shipping? |
| 00:31.27 | JeffM | shiping is extra |
| 00:31.28 | Epyon | To such exotic places like Poland :P |
| 00:31.34 | JeffM | 11$ |
| 00:31.50 | Epyon | lol, that's 1,5* the price :) |
| 00:31.55 | Epyon | Hmm |
| 00:32.00 | JeffM | sorry |
| 00:32.06 | JeffM | it's what it costs me |
| 00:32.11 | Saturos | Germany will be 11$ too? |
| 00:32.14 | JeffM | yeah |
| 00:32.24 | JeffM | non north america is 11 |
| 00:32.24 | Saturos | k, thats fine with me |
| 00:32.33 | Epyon | Actually... you think you could ship it to SanFran to a temporary adress? |
| 00:32.33 | JeffM | NA but not US is 9 |
| 00:32.36 | JeffM | US is 5 |
| 00:32.38 | Saturos | its still cheaper than if I would go and print the same thing in a local store |
| 00:32.46 | JeffM | Epyon: thats 5$ |
| 00:33.17 | Epyon | Isn't that much cheaper I guess. |
| 00:33.50 | JeffM | it's like 7 euros to ship |
| 00:33.54 | Epyon | And 23$ for a BZF shirt would still be a bargain. |
| 00:35.02 | Saturos | How many are you going to order? |
| 00:35.07 | Saturos | 50? |
| 00:35.17 | JeffM | we will be having 57 items printed |
| 00:35.26 | Epyon | Will there be any monochrome ones? :) |
| 00:35.29 | JeffM | as soon as jbd and DTRemenak pay |
| 00:35.46 | Saturos | sweet |
| 00:35.54 | Saturos | charcoal is monochrome? |
| 00:35.56 | Epyon | only wears black and white shirts :) |
| 00:36.15 | Saturos | oh.. not even grey? |
| 00:36.24 | JeffM | Epyon: charcoal is a gray |
| 00:36.27 | Epyon | black and gray :P |
| 00:36.28 | JeffM | I may do a black print later |
| 00:36.33 | JeffM | or a dark navy blue |
| 00:36.38 | Saturos | navy! |
| 00:36.54 | JeffM | you are getting a navy shirt no mater what |
| 00:37.01 | Saturos | :) |
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| 00:57.59 | donny_baker | JeffM: what colors am I getting? (testing you :P) |
| 00:58.12 | JeffM | let me check the spredsheet |
| 00:58.28 | JeffM | Olive XL shirt |
| 00:58.34 | donny_baker | XXL |
| 00:59.23 | donny_baker | but if its to late.. I'll fit into it soon :) |
| 00:59.48 | JeffM | you ordered an XL hoodie |
| 01:00.20 | JeffM | I can do the shirt in green, it'll just cost you a buck more |
| 01:00.32 | JeffM | I mean olive in XXL |
| 01:00.44 | JeffM | is the hoodie XL correct? |
| 01:01.42 | Winny | JeffM: you have an XL mil green down for me, right? |
| 01:01.50 | JeffM | yes |
| 01:01.57 | donny_baker | oh, i did didn't I ... oh well.. it'll fit soon |
| 01:02.02 | Winny | ok, just making sure I didn't say something wrong :) |
| 01:02.07 | JeffM | for donny_baker I just matched the shirt to the hoodie |
| 01:02.13 | JeffM | donny_baker: I can change it, your cal |
| 01:02.16 | JeffM | call |
| 01:02.27 | donny_baker | change it, I like my stuff larger |
| 01:02.36 | donny_baker | ni owe you more, don't I? |
| 01:04.28 | JeffM | not for the hoodie |
| 01:04.40 | JeffM | when you buy the shirt you will |
| 01:04.43 | donny_baker | k, whew |
| 01:04.50 | JeffM | but you haven't paid for the shirt |
| 01:04.58 | donny_baker | yep.. |
| 01:05.15 | donny_baker | got the order update.. and went to the site, still show XL |
| 01:05.20 | JeffM | reminds me, I have to send you the gift cert for shiping |
| 01:05.32 | JeffM | yeah I can't change the actual data in the order, so I just added a note. |
| 01:05.46 | donny_baker | see it now |
| 01:05.49 | donny_baker | thanx |
| 01:07.35 | JeffM | I just e-mailed you a gift cert to use when you order the shirt |
| 01:07.42 | JeffM | that way you won't pay for double shipping |
| 01:08.41 | donny_baker | k, thanks |
| 01:09.00 | JeffM | I wish I could do a free shiping cupon and have it expire :) |
| 01:09.09 | JeffM | coupon |
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| 01:10.07 | IZBOY | Hey Constitution |
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| 01:10.56 | blast007 | hello IZBOY |
| 01:11.05 | IZBOY | sup |
| 01:11.12 | IZBOY | sup! |
| 01:11.35 | Constitution | hi IZBOY |
| 01:11.37 | IZBOY | LOL. that first one I didn't think worked. So I did a second. and then they both worked |
| 01:12.03 | blast007 | CGI:IRC can be laggy like that |
| 01:12.28 | Constitution | IZBOY: how was the competition? :) |
| 01:13.50 | JeffM | does not like his color choices |
| 01:13.51 | JeffM | http://www.opencombat.net/files/logothingy_new.png |
| 01:14.18 | IZBOY | oh sry. I had to do something... |
| 01:14.23 | Saturos | looks far better than the old one |
| 01:14.29 | IZBOY | it went well. I placed second |
| 01:14.30 | JeffM | cleaner |
| 01:14.33 | Saturos | yeah |
| 01:14.38 | Saturos | but the font is worse |
| 01:14.40 | JeffM | the psd is in the same dir |
| 01:14.42 | JeffM | heh |
| 01:14.44 | Saturos | sry :( |
| 01:14.46 | JeffM | I didn't have yours |
| 01:14.52 | JeffM | so I was experemting |
| 01:14.59 | JeffM | it has a great name |
| 01:15.03 | Constitution | IZBOY: congratulations |
| 01:15.19 | IZBOY | ty |
| 01:15.57 | IZBOY | but what stinks is BZFLAG is working for me... |
| 01:16.00 | IZBOY | :( |
| 01:16.35 | IZBOY | when I open it, the screen stays black and all you see is "All" "Chats" Server" and etc |
| 01:16.49 | blast007 | is working, or isn't working? |
| 01:17.00 | IZBOY | isn't lol. |
| 01:17.11 | IZBOY | sry |
| 01:17.34 | Constitution | you can't toggle the menu with 'esc'? |
| 01:18.12 | IZBOY | nope. i tried |
| 01:18.37 | JeffM | (*cough*) video driver |
| 01:18.48 | IZBOY | ? |
| 01:18.57 | JeffM | what card? |
| 01:19.16 | IZBOY | me? |
| 01:19.23 | JeffM | yep |
| 01:19.34 | IZBOY | I have a mac. and I have no idea. |
| 01:19.40 | JeffM | ahh |
| 01:19.45 | Constitution | try moving your config file (<your home dir>/Library/Application Support/BZFlag/2.0/config.cfg) somewhere else, and start up bzflag again |
| 01:19.55 | JeffM | macs have that problem all the time it seems |
| 01:19.56 | DTRemenak | probably too little video memory |
| 01:20.02 | JeffM | mayhaps |
| 01:20.07 | JeffM | what mac is it? |
| 01:20.25 | IZBOY | iBook G4 |
| 01:20.29 | DTRemenak | that's a very typical response for when we run out. we really ought to be more verbose about it. |
| 01:20.40 | JeffM | yeah, lower your res, or run in a window |
| 01:20.53 | JeffM | old macs didn't have much video memory |
| 01:21.03 | IZBOY | how do you get to preferences? I can't change it from full screen |
| 01:21.12 | JeffM | run from a command line |
| 01:21.22 | IZBOY | umm... |
| 01:21.25 | JeffM | bzflag -window -geometry 800x600 |
| 01:21.38 | JeffM | after you go into the .app |
| 01:21.43 | IZBOY | k |
| 01:21.59 | JeffM | Or blow out your config, and lower your screen res |
| 01:22.22 | JeffM | I bet you have a rage 128 with like 4 megs of video memory |
| 01:23.04 | JeffM | the driver is "suposed" to use system memory when the card runs out, but old macs seem to not do that correclty |
| 01:23.10 | DTRemenak | mmm, looking at the specs all the G4s shipped with 32mb or more, which should be enough (even coupled with a 9200) |
| 01:23.17 | IZBOY | gtg. seeya guys later |
| 01:23.21 | Constitution | cya |
| 01:23.32 | JeffM | yeah a 9200 should be fine |
| 01:23.49 | JeffM | DTRemenak: the ibooks? |
| 01:23.52 | JeffM | the toilet seat |
| 01:23.53 | DTRemenak | ibook g4 |
| 01:23.56 | DTRemenak | not g3 |
| 01:23.58 | JeffM | ahh |
| 01:24.00 | DTRemenak | toilet seats were g3s |
| 01:24.10 | JeffM | god those were ugly |
| 01:24.16 | DTRemenak | yuup |
| 01:24.30 | DTRemenak | one of my friends had one in "key lime" |
| 01:24.41 | JeffM | DTRemenak: you need to buy your hoodie, there is a shipping option for you now ;) |
| 01:24.41 | DTRemenak | and yeah, it was SURE ugly |
| 01:24.45 | DTRemenak | ah, cool |
| 01:24.45 | JeffM | oh man.. why? |
| 01:25.01 | JeffM | I saw a dell in the green I almost got. I am so very glad I did not get it in that |
| 01:25.29 | DTRemenak | yeah, the dude from Celerative has one, right? |
| 01:27.07 | a_meteorite | dude, you're getting a dell |
| 01:27.19 | a_meteorite | a green dell... ick |
| 01:28.56 | JeffM | I think that was him |
| 01:29.09 | JeffM | a_meteorite: if it was a forest green, It would be mine |
| 01:29.19 | a_meteorite | I love forest green |
| 01:29.28 | a_meteorite | but slime green... c'mon, it's not the 60s anymore |
| 01:29.44 | JeffM | mine is blue |
| 01:30.50 | JeffM | notes that it is indeed miller time |
| 01:31.05 | a_meteorite | high five |
| 01:31.17 | DTRemenak | my order number is 10! woot! |
| 01:31.22 | JeffM | or more specificly "pete's wicked ale strawbery blond" time |
| 01:31.46 | a_meteorite | don't drink too much |
| 01:31.54 | JeffM | I'll have one |
| 01:32.16 | JeffM | is not exactly a huge drinker |
| 01:32.30 | spldart | is |
| 01:33.05 | JeffM | heh |
| 01:33.14 | JeffM | then you sir would love our company trip |
| 01:33.33 | spldart | So if I ever visit west coast area to visit bzflagers then tell me... YoYo with your tab |
| 01:33.48 | spldart | hehe |
| 01:34.00 | JeffM | has no tab |
| 01:34.35 | spldart | Last time I went to consumer electronics training seminars with guys from my shop the boss got me drunk both nights... He likes it as an excuse to eat really good food and get intoxicated |
| 01:35.10 | JeffM | I'm prety sure thats the only reason we have the xmas party |
| 01:35.20 | spldart | hah :) |
| 01:35.49 | spldart | funny enough the Sony and Panasonic Rep's feel the same way :) |
| 01:36.00 | spldart | For this region of the country anyway |
| 01:36.41 | JeffM | ok, one more hoodie and we are set |
| 01:36.51 | JeffM | tho if we have to cover just him we'll be fine |
| 01:37.36 | JeffM | cheaps out on DTRemenak's sweatshirt and just cuts out a stencel to spraypaint on his his current hoodie |
| 01:37.51 | DTRemenak | hah |
| 01:38.03 | JeffM | the only other quandry is why I have a large navy shirt set for printing |
| 01:38.28 | JeffM | and how I'm going to pay for this beast |
| 01:39.45 | JeffM | I think I was going to send the navy one to brlcad |
| 01:39.58 | JeffM | but now I'm doing a slevles on that |
| 01:40.07 | JeffM | noone wants a navy shirt right? |
| 01:40.27 | Constitution | does |
| 01:40.36 | JeffM | what size? |
| 01:40.43 | JeffM | and are you going to buy one? |
| 01:40.45 | Constitution | XXXXL |
| 01:40.56 | JeffM | dude, you can not put your car in it |
| 01:41.00 | DTRemenak | hah |
| 01:41.00 | JeffM | you take a large at the most |
| 01:41.01 | Constitution | Large, and yeah, I would |
| 01:41.11 | JeffM | ok then I must have put it on there for you |
| 01:41.24 | JeffM | there we go all marked |
| 01:41.41 | JeffM | wants to make sure he knows where all the stuff is going |
| 01:41.45 | Epyon | Drinking? |
| 01:41.53 | Epyon | Did I miss something? xP |
| 01:42.00 | JeffM | probably |
| 01:42.17 | Epyon | opens a b33r. |
| 01:42.39 | JeffM | when all is said and done, we'll ahve 44 shirts to sell in open stock |
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| 02:09.06 | spldart | snap.. tortoise svn doesn't respect anything.. I accidentily overwrote 600+meg of data cuz I didn't think enough when placing a code checkout 8-0 |
| 02:09.27 | spldart | makes mental note |
| 02:19.06 | spldart | Woah.. I believe VC8 might be a touch faster than make |
| 02:21.42 | spldart | N/M... I screwed up on settings |
| 02:28.26 | spldart | Learn something knew everyday... shot collision is definitely handled separately than player or tank collision |
| 02:28.36 | spldart | s/new/knew |
| 02:28.46 | spldart | oops other way around meh |
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| 02:52.18 | JeffM | spldart: it can be a lot faster ;) |
| 02:59.12 | JeffM | but don't tell the nixies that ;) |
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| 03:36.23 | spldart | hehe |
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| 04:02.18 | jude- | hello all |
| 04:02.30 | brlcad | howdy jude- |
| 04:02.42 | jude- | hey brlcad |
| 04:02.45 | CBG | :o |
| 04:03.21 | jude- | spring break is finally here :) |
| 04:04.04 | CBG | http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=YXG83p2nkHw |
| 04:04.34 | jude- | I swear, CBG... |
| 04:04.49 | CBG | :) |
| 04:04.50 | jude- | that's worse than modifying ibot to sing it |
| 04:05.08 | CBG | Anytime you feel the pain, hey jude, refrain! |
| 04:05.19 | jude- | lol |
| 04:07.04 | jude- | aww...you guys were nice in the GSoC 2007 postmortem :) |
| 04:07.23 | CBG | You actually produced code. ;) |
| 04:07.46 | jude- | I just wish I had one more month to finish all the plugins |
| 04:08.08 | jude- | or two, or three, etc. |
| 04:08.25 | CBG | lol, in that video... they stop singing real lyrics less than half way through.. then the rest is na na na... :D |
| 04:08.48 | jude- | I didn't stay to watch it :) |
| 04:09.07 | CBG | Aww :( |
| 04:09.21 | CBG | goes to bed in disgust. |
| 04:09.38 | CBG | I hope disgust is not too far away though. It's 4 am so I should really get to sleep asap. |
| 04:10.32 | jude- | sleep deprivation can have harmful side-effects... |
| 04:11.07 | CBG | I won't lose sleep. I just won't be up before 11am. ;) |
| 04:11.34 | CBG | Nowhere to be, nothing to do. Woot. |
| 04:11.37 | CBG | goes now. |
| 04:12.18 | Epyon | should stop drinking. |
| 04:12.26 | Epyon | jude- :D :D :D |
| 04:12.44 | jude- | hey Epyon :) |
| 04:12.52 | jude- | long time no see |
| 04:12.59 | Epyon | Seems really it's this time of the year, eh? xP |
| 04:13.18 | jude- | indeed--midterms are upon us |
| 04:13.22 | Epyon | You're applying to GSoC again? |
| 04:13.39 | Epyon | I know, my girlfriend is in the US now :P |
| 04:14.06 | jude- | I'd like to apply to GSoC again, if I can't secure an internship with IBM or Google |
| 04:14.19 | jude- | I intend on applying |
| 04:14.31 | jude- | you? |
| 04:14.39 | Epyon | As for me I just release my sadistic feelings that have built up through 5 years of intensive studying upon my own students :P |
| 04:14.57 | Epyon | Sure as hell I will. I want to finish what I started :) |
| 04:15.01 | jude- | what do you teach? |
| 04:15.05 | jude- | yeah, same here :/ |
| 04:15.25 | jude- | is still annoyed at himself for not finishing |
| 04:15.42 | Epyon | Game Programming and 3ds max currently. But next year I'm moving to teaching Game Engine Architecture xP |
| 04:15.55 | jude- | oooo....game programming :) |
| 04:16.00 | jude- | sounds fun :) |
| 04:16.33 | jude- | wishes his university offered courses in it |
| 04:16.47 | Epyon | They still don't want a 1st year PhD student teaqching anything more serious than a programming course, so I have to wait for the Architecture lecture for next year :/ |
| 04:17.07 | jude- | what do you intend on teaching them about architecture? |
| 04:17.31 | Epyon | It's still already pretty uncommon for a 1st year PhD student to teach anything, but they're desperate for having such "modern" subjects |
| 04:18.00 | jude- | pffff....videogames are almost as old as computers :) |
| 04:18.18 | Epyon | Mainly based on the Eberly books on Game Engine Architecture and Game Engine Design |
| 04:18.39 | Epyon | But up to date they havn't been treated seriously by the research staff. |
| 04:18.39 | jude- | nice |
| 04:19.08 | Epyon | First I should stop writing roguelikes and write a modern game however -_- |
| 04:19.11 | jude- | interesting....I wonder why not, since there are so many applicable topics within game programming |
| 04:19.16 | jude- | lol |
| 04:19.19 | jude- | BZFlag 3.0 :) |
| 04:19.46 | jude- | browses BZFlag's GSoC 2008 ideas |
| 04:19.52 | Epyon | netgames are still dark matter to me though :/ |
| 04:19.54 | L4m3r | he sad "modern", jude- |
| 04:20.06 | L4m3r | ;) |
| 04:20.14 | jude- | hey L4m3r, how goes it? :) |
| 04:20.21 | L4m3r | ugh |
| 04:20.23 | L4m3r | finals! |
| 04:20.28 | jude- | so soon? |
| 04:20.32 | Epyon | jude-, some concept art : http://chaosforge.org/sd_halberd.png |
| 04:20.36 | L4m3r | quarters here :) |
| 04:20.40 | jude- | ahh |
| 04:20.42 | Epyon | untextured as yet :/ |
| 04:21.04 | Epyon | L4m3r, are you applying too? :P |
| 04:21.09 | jude- | Epyon: a character in one of your upcoming games? |
| 04:21.17 | L4m3r | nah |
| 04:21.26 | L4m3r | I'll be working fulltime again |
| 04:21.33 | Epyon | :( |
| 04:22.09 | jude- | very interesting...BZWorkbench is on the list.... |
| 04:22.21 | Epyon | That's the beauty of GSoC for us people in the eastern countries -- it still pays like a good full-time job :) |
| 04:22.23 | JeffM | why would it not be? |
| 04:22.47 | jude- | hey JeffM |
| 04:22.52 | Epyon | jude-, it's got a lot higher priority than BZWGen :P |
| 04:23.01 | JeffM | sup |
| 04:23.38 | jude- | I don't know why it would not be...it's just interesting :) |
| 04:23.46 | jude- | is inspired to apply for it |
| 04:23.47 | JeffM | brb, beer conversion process |
| 04:24.04 | jude- | Epyon: but your project is much further along than mine |
| 04:24.25 | Epyon | JeffM, "sup"? Isn't it you who made a lecture to one of our GSoC wannabies of using internet-slang abbrevations? xP |
| 04:24.40 | jude- | it's not internet slang |
| 04:24.46 | jude- | not like lolcat is, at least :) |
| 04:24.56 | jude- | or 13375p34k |
| 04:24.57 | Epyon | jude-, I'd disagree, I bet BZWB is in much more use than BZWG :P |
| 04:25.12 | jude- | BZWG at least delivers on its proposal |
| 04:25.19 | JeffM | Epyon: I would say that to you in real life If I saw |
| 04:25.21 | JeffM | you |
| 04:25.28 | Epyon | opens up this nights final b33r. |
| 04:25.54 | JeffM | workbench is an large project, it is very reasonable that it would take over 3 man months |
| 04:26.05 | Epyon | JeffM, I doubt it. You'd much rather say "WTF? Where did you come from?" xP |
| 04:26.07 | JeffM | we would actualy like to have a pair of students working on it this year |
| 04:26.23 | jude- | I'd be willing to work on it this summer, if you'd have me |
| 04:26.23 | JeffM | Epyon: that is what my sword is for ;) |
| 04:26.46 | Epyon | JeffM, I'd use a Jo-stick for defence :P |
| 04:26.49 | JeffM | jude-: you are welcome to work on it at any time, if you want to do as part of SoC again, more power to you |
| 04:27.22 | Epyon | s/stick/staff/ |
| 04:27.26 | jude- | starts writing his application |
| 04:27.42 | Epyon | Are the org app results in already? O.o |
| 04:27.57 | jude- | they start tomorrow |
| 04:28.09 | JeffM | no |
| 04:28.15 | Epyon | has his apps planned but not yet written |
| 04:29.06 | jude- | JeffM: tell me more about your plan to have two students work on it |
| 04:29.10 | Epyon | However, I have hopes that I will be taken ANYWHERE :/ |
| 04:29.21 | JeffM | jude-: there is much to do |
| 04:29.30 | jude- | this is true :) |
| 04:29.39 | Epyon | If not, I'll have to take a real job for summer -_-, and that would HURT. |
| 04:29.42 | JeffM | at the very least one would work on UI and the entire interaction/workflow/thingy |
| 04:29.53 | jude- | heh |
| 04:30.01 | jude- | indeed |
| 04:30.09 | JeffM | and one would finish the backend and implment a number of usefull tools, model import, UVer, auto LOD, etc.. |
| 04:30.15 | Epyon | hates to work on things he doesn't believe in. |
| 04:30.36 | jude- | do you want me to modify the wiki to include that? |
| 04:30.46 | Epyon | And BZFS mapgen plugin integration for BZWB too xP |
| 04:30.46 | JeffM | if you wish |
| 04:31.06 | JeffM | Epyon: what does that mean? |
| 04:31.30 | JeffM | if dtr does what he wants to do, all that you'd ahve to do is pull a stream |
| 04:31.38 | JeffM | but seriously, loading a file is NOT hard |
| 04:32.05 | JeffM | the end user advantage would be minimal |
| 04:32.06 | Epyon | JeffM, no remember? We talked about that -- a common interface for plugins that do map generation, that would allow BZWB to run the generator and allow for regeneration and then handmade modifications |
| 04:32.29 | JeffM | yes and DTRemenak has a solutions to that that simply involved a stream |
| 04:32.41 | JeffM | we do not NEED bzwg to run inside WB to do that |
| 04:32.48 | Epyon | I definitively need to talk about with him. |
| 04:32.51 | JeffM | it wold be nice but not needed |
| 04:32.57 | JeffM | it would also be butt simple |
| 04:33.05 | JeffM | so I'd not worry, or harp on it |
| 04:33.30 | JeffM | the bigger problem with WG is that noone understands how to use it, not how it interacts |
| 04:33.36 | Epyon | JeffM, the idea would be to allow to pass the parameters from inside bzwb by including the neccessary GUI info in the gen dll itself |
| 04:33.47 | JeffM | Epyon: sure, like I said, butt simple |
| 04:33.56 | Epyon | But fun :P |
| 04:34.00 | JeffM | sure, for a day |
| 04:34.10 | JeffM | the usage is the problem |
| 04:34.26 | Epyon | One thing that I was lacking while writing BZWG was to have a fast way to see the results |
| 04:34.48 | JeffM | that is an author thing, not an end user thing |
| 04:35.09 | JeffM | I'm more concerned with the actual use of your code by end users. then your needs when you were developing it |
| 04:35.42 | JeffM | but yes, I'm sure we can get that integrated at some point |
| 04:35.44 | Epyon | I know. But if I were to run a generated map on a server, I'd also like to see it beforehand. |
| 04:35.57 | JeffM | Epyon: load it into bzwb ;) |
| 04:36.32 | Epyon | F*ck me, as usual I'm trying to create a demand to justify the need for my work D: |
| 04:36.40 | JeffM | yes you are |
| 04:36.47 | JeffM | and it gets slightly anoying |
| 04:36.49 | Epyon | JeffM, we both know that :> |
| 04:37.12 | JeffM | the bigest thing WB needs right now is all the objects suported |
| 04:37.16 | Epyon | JeffM, it's still better than trying to get to GSoC for the money though :P |
| 04:37.20 | JeffM | after that it needs a UI and edit pardigm |
| 04:37.32 | JeffM | then it needs an optimisation pass cus it seems to be slower the heck |
| 04:37.49 | JeffM | Epyon: I have never thought you were in it for the money ;) |
| 04:37.59 | DTRemenak | is summoned |
| 04:38.17 | brlcad | dun dun duuuhh |
| 04:38.18 | Epyon | I'd even apply for BZWB if it werent for the fact that I never done any UI programming :/ |
| 04:38.36 | Epyon | Suddenly all the gods have awaken. |
| 04:38.49 | JeffM | I was just saying what you were saying about the ease of the world stream thing |
| 04:39.02 | Epyon | feels like in the middle of last years SoC... the people, the excitement... xP |
| 04:39.16 | DTRemenak | it's like that every week around here, you should hang around more often ;) |
| 04:40.12 | short_circuit | heh |
| 04:40.29 | Epyon | JeffM, well, creating a demand for your application is one of the goals of a succesful GSoC applicant after all :P |
| 04:40.37 | *** join/#bzflag Epyon_ (n=Epyon@90-156-93-82.magma-net.pl) |
| 04:40.43 | Epyon | DTRemenak, well I AM here a lot :P |
| 04:40.44 | L4m3r | er |
| 04:40.47 | DTRemenak | not really...it's more about seeing a demand, and filling it, than creating one |
| 04:40.49 | L4m3r | not creating, just having :P |
| 04:40.55 | Epyon | Epyon_, hush begone. |
| 04:41.01 | JeffM | Epyon: as I said the problem is not demand. it is that it is not understood |
| 04:41.02 | DTRemenak | the difference between sucking and blowing, if you will ;) |
| 04:41.31 | short_circuit | *snicker* |
| 04:41.31 | JeffM | the real demand for your app is rather small I fear |
| 04:41.46 | JeffM | it will have some, but it will not be widespread |
| 04:41.48 | Epyon | JeffM, I know :/ |
| 04:41.59 | DTRemenak | thinks there's plenty of demand, just a bit of a disconnect between the users and the product |
| 04:41.59 | JeffM | the core problem is the people who WANT to use it now, can not |
| 04:42.21 | JeffM | DTRemenak: there may be, but yes untill it can be used, we will not know |
| 04:42.34 | Epyon | JeffM, I know about that one too. I didn't have time to fix that one yet. |
| 04:43.01 | JeffM | Epyon: well, we should not rely just on you |
| 04:43.03 | JeffM | ;) |
| 04:43.10 | Epyon | :> |
| 04:43.16 | JeffM | for it to work we need a bus factor of less then 1 |
| 04:43.21 | JeffM | more then oen |
| 04:43.23 | JeffM | sorry |
| 04:43.41 | JeffM | we have that problem with a number of things |
| 04:43.50 | Epyon | I'll send you a beer if anyone submits a map-generation proposal for GSoC :P |
| 04:44.03 | JeffM | I doubt they will |
| 04:44.08 | Epyon | I know xP |
| 04:44.13 | JeffM | it's a very specialised field |
| 04:44.35 | L4m3r | I'd think that most players prefer to play maps they know well |
| 04:44.38 | JeffM | as it sits now your code very well could die on the vine |
| 04:44.40 | DTRemenak | last year's projects are published. if anyone had thoughts in that direction they'd know it'd already been at least partially addressed. |
| 04:45.14 | DTRemenak | L4m3r: I disagree. most players want variation from time to time. |
| 04:45.22 | Epyon | JeffM, it wont, at least in a way. I plan on rewriting it for project independence. |
| 04:45.36 | Epyon | Once I will have a use for it that is -_- |
| 04:45.42 | L4m3r | DTRemenak: from time to time... not every time they play |
| 04:45.43 | JeffM | Epyon: I hope not on our dime ;) |
| 04:45.58 | Epyon | JeffM, what do you mean? |
| 04:46.01 | JeffM | L4m3r: nothing says you can't run the plugin every week |
| 04:46.02 | DTRemenak | L4m3r: I think most servers' uptime is long enough to do that |
| 04:46.05 | L4m3r | but I'd like to start a server using bzwgen and no radar, and maybe a daily restart |
| 04:46.17 | Epyon | hopes this was not a proof of his poor language skillz. |
| 04:46.43 | Epyon | L4m3r, yeah that would be... interesting xP |
| 04:46.46 | JeffM | Epyon: I would not exactly suport a SoC project that would not have direct benifit to bzflag. |
| 04:46.58 | *** join/#bzflag Pimpi (n=frank@gondolin.pimpi.org) |
| 04:47.00 | DTRemenak | L4m3r: it's usable enough for that now. just need to cook up some kind of script to keep it automatically regenerating. |
| 04:47.19 | L4m3r | yeah, not hard at all |
| 04:47.24 | Epyon | Ah, you mean the project independence of BZWG? That would be completely on my accord. |
| 04:47.30 | JeffM | ahh |
| 04:47.44 | Epyon | DTRemenak, Constitution wrote such a script |
| 04:47.45 | L4m3r | but the game I'd want would involve some bzfs hackage too, and I have to find the time... maybe over spring break |
| 04:48.00 | Epyon | L4m3r, like what? |
| 04:48.07 | JeffM | you can put your hoodie on and get to coding ;) |
| 04:48.32 | Epyon | JeffM, first I need to finish my C++ game engine :. |
| 04:48.34 | Epyon | :/ |
| 04:48.42 | JeffM | Epyon: fun |
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| 04:48.52 | DTRemenak | heh. do you write *everything* from scratch? :P |
| 04:49.08 | Epyon | Then I need to finish that damn game I'm planning to submit for IGF. And only then I will do the BZWG thingie :/ |
| 04:49.34 | JeffM | sounds like you ether have lots of time, or are looking at IGF 2010 |
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| 04:50.01 | Epyon | DTRemenak, not exactly -- I'm *inspiring* myself out of OGRE, Irrlicht and WildMagic. However, the engine is written with full procedural content in mind. |
| 04:50.54 | JeffM | NIH dissease, the curse of many acedemics |
| 04:50.58 | Epyon | JeffM, 2010 is about for what I aim with StarDreamer. I still need to finish DoomRL -- Full modding capabilites, Derek Yu's tileset and Open Source that is. |
| 04:52.15 | Epyon | GSoC and BZFlag taught me that -- It's a good thing (tm) to go open source, even if you doubt anyone will work on the project further :P |
| 04:52.46 | L4m3r | it certainly makes linux distribution a hell of a lot easier |
| 04:53.03 | Epyon | L4m3r, heh I know xP |
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| 05:03.04 | hi | hi |
| 05:03.08 | JeffM | hello |
| 05:03.22 | hi | sooooooooooo..... |
| 05:03.26 | Epyon | omg |
| 05:03.33 | hi | where do you come from |
| 05:03.36 | Epyon | this *looks* scary. |
| 05:03.44 | JeffM | I do not think your god has anything to do with it |
| 05:03.53 | JeffM | hi: why do you wish to know? |
| 05:04.04 | Epyon | Riding the edge of Chaos, hi. |
| 05:04.16 | hi | just bcause,have u got sumthing against it |
| 05:04.30 | JeffM | not exactly the topic of this channel |
| 05:04.34 | Epyon | shuts up and lets JeffM have all the fun. |
| 05:04.45 | hi | what is it then,sorry i am nwe to this |
| 05:04.53 | JeffM | new to bzflag? |
| 05:05.05 | hi | no,new to chatroom |
| 05:05.17 | JeffM | do you play bzflag? |
| 05:05.24 | hi | yes |
| 05:05.29 | JeffM | cool |
| 05:05.38 | hi | so whats the topic |
| 05:05.47 | JeffM | this is a development and support channel |
| 05:06.00 | JeffM | there is #bzchat for general chating |
| 05:06.03 | hi | o.r you an admin |
| 05:06.28 | hi | what channel is the general chating on |
| 05:06.31 | jude- | hi: you will soon learn that JeffM tends not to respond to people who do not spell correctly |
| 05:06.44 | hi | ok. |
| 05:06.46 | JeffM | general chating for bzflag? or chating just in general? |
| 05:06.47 | Epyon | jude-, shhh |
| 05:07.02 | jude- | lol |
| 05:07.13 | JeffM | freenode dosn't realy do general chat, it all has to be tied to an open source project of some sort |
| 05:07.22 | hi | a chatroom on bzflag,but a general chatroom |
| 05:07.28 | JeffM | #bzchat |
| 05:07.39 | hi | thanks,by |
| 05:07.53 | hi | with an e on the end! |
| 05:07.55 | hi | lol |
| 05:08.03 | Epyon | JeffM, you're growing soft. |
| 05:08.22 | JeffM | there is no reason to be mean to people who just may be confused |
| 05:08.37 | JeffM | when he comes back the second time cus he's full of crap.. THEn we'll see |
| 05:08.43 | Epyon | That's not the JeffM that *I* know :P |
| 05:08.54 | JeffM | then mayhaps you never knew him |
| 05:09.12 | Epyon | has experienced a revelation. |
| 05:09.37 | JeffM | doubtful |
| 05:09.58 | Epyon | At least he was not annoying the hell out of you with his self-proclaimed self-advertised GSoC project xP |
| 05:11.03 | JeffM | you presume that I have hell left to out |
| 05:12.03 | Epyon | I'd guess that there'd be at least 3-4 out of the initial 9 :P |
| 05:12.23 | JeffM | I am older then you think |
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| 05:13.37 | Epyon | JeffM, I can judge by the pictures from the mentor conference :P |
| 05:13.45 | JeffM | heh |
| 05:13.52 | JeffM | how old do I look? |
| 05:14.04 | Epyon | I've seen you, you havn't seen me, that gives me an edge xP |
| 05:14.14 | JeffM | again, doubtful |
| 05:14.27 | Epyon | JeffM, not much older than myself I'd guess :) |
| 05:14.34 | JeffM | how old are you? |
| 05:14.35 | jude- | Epyon: where did you see him? |
| 05:14.49 | think_tank | fyi, "hi" did go to #bzchat...wanted to know about cheats for bz |
| 05:14.55 | JeffM | fun |
| 05:15.00 | jude- | ban him |
| 05:15.11 | Epyon | JeffM, although judging by your writing style and reserves of irony, I'd normaly bet a lot higher. |
| 05:15.16 | JeffM | I assume there was noone there to assist him |
| 05:15.47 | Epyon | He he he, well "hi" prooved his weight in gold. I sense such people instinctively ^^ |
| 05:16.21 | jude- | I'd say Epyon is in his mid twenties |
| 05:16.48 | jude- | and JeffM is in his late 30's |
| 05:16.52 | JeffM | mid |
| 05:16.54 | jude- | mid |
| 05:17.00 | JeffM | thankyouverymuch ;) |
| 05:17.06 | Dessy | he should just use cheats but he wont play long on good public servers |
| 05:17.07 | jude- | makes sure to remember that |
| 05:17.38 | JeffM | Dessy: dosn't really matter, we do not discuss cheats on bzflag channels or services ;) |
| 05:17.52 | Dessy | yup :P |
| 05:18.16 | Dessy | better is to ignore them :) |
| 05:18.25 | Epyon | Actually we do -- how to prevent them that is :P |
| 05:18.50 | Epyon | I'm around 25 last time I checked. |
| 05:18.59 | JeffM | then I am 10 years older then |
| 05:19.09 | JeffM | Epyon: we know how to prevent them |
| 05:19.12 | jude- | is five years younger |
| 05:19.16 | JeffM | that is not the core problem |
| 05:19.20 | Epyon | feels kind of wierd that he can't answer "How old are you" with a number :/ |
| 05:19.43 | jude- | Epyon: why not? |
| 05:20.16 | Epyon | jude-, time flies fast... the last time I was answering that question I said 23... |
| 05:20.31 | jude- | well, can't you compute your age from your birthday? |
| 05:20.35 | JeffM | orders more large shirts then previously planed |
| 05:21.05 | JeffM | 5 double XLs seem like a lot |
| 05:21.07 | Epyon | jude-, that takes computational power that my alcohol-stained mind cannot currently uptake. |
| 05:21.28 | jude- | so use bc :) |
| 05:21.44 | jude- | JeffM: BZFlag T-shirts? |
| 05:21.47 | Epyon | jude-, forgot that I'm on windoze? ;] |
| 05:21.49 | JeffM | yes |
| 05:21.52 | jude- | oooh |
| 05:21.54 | JeffM | takes it down to 3 |
| 05:22.08 | jude- | wears 2XL |
| 05:22.18 | Epyon | JeffM, 35? Actually that explains a lot :P |
| 05:22.20 | JeffM | you gonna buy one? |
| 05:22.25 | jude- | where do I buy one? |
| 05:22.33 | JeffM | store.bzflag.bz when they are printed |
| 05:22.44 | jude- | sure :) |
| 05:22.52 | L4m3r | pre-orders available for hoodies (yay!) |
| 05:23.05 | JeffM | then I'll print 4 double XL |
| 05:23.35 | Epyon | I'd actually might take that L-characol one... |
| 05:23.50 | JeffM | the general stock will be charcoal |
| 05:23.57 | Epyon | Duh, sold out... |
| 05:24.10 | JeffM | they are not printed yet ;) |
| 05:24.15 | JeffM | so I can not sell them yet |
| 05:24.33 | Epyon | xD |
| 05:25.05 | jude- | now we can say "Join the club; we have T-shirts" and mean it :) |
| 05:25.11 | JeffM | indeed |
| 05:25.32 | Epyon | Will paypal be an accepted payment option? |
| 05:26.07 | JeffM | paypal is the only accepted payment ;) |
| 05:26.21 | Epyon | That makes me real happy ^^ |
| 05:26.23 | jude- | works for me :) |
| 05:26.55 | Epyon | I cannot withdraw all that DoomRL donation money from paypal anyway :/ |
| 05:27.30 | jude- | Epyon: does it matter? most things can be bought with PayPal anyway :) |
| 05:27.45 | Epyon | jude-, not in Poland :P |
| 05:28.07 | jude- | that's too bad :/ |
| 05:28.33 | Epyon | Why are the shippimg costs for hoodies so much bigger than for regular T-Shirts? O.o |
| 05:28.39 | jude- | heavier |
| 05:28.43 | JeffM | cus they are larger |
| 05:28.45 | JeffM | it's not weight |
| 05:28.47 | JeffM | it's size |
| 05:28.50 | jude- | ah |
| 05:28.53 | JeffM | I can't fit them into the flat rate envelope |
| 05:28.55 | JeffM | a shirt fits |
| 05:28.57 | L4m3r | they have to be boxed, do they not? |
| 05:29.00 | JeffM | yeah |
| 05:29.02 | Epyon | JeffM, but 35 dollars for shipping? That seems extreme O.o |
| 05:29.10 | JeffM | Epyon: that was the cheapest I can get it |
| 05:29.32 | JeffM | USPS dosn't offer that many services to the rest of the world |
| 05:29.36 | Epyon | *sigh* I'll have to settle for the T-Shirt then :/ |
| 05:29.51 | jude- | Epyon: have your girlfriend buy it and ship it to you :) |
| 05:29.55 | JeffM | trust me, we tried HARD to fit it in there |
| 05:30.03 | JeffM | DTRemenak: like shoved and pushed |
| 05:30.12 | Epyon | jude-, yeah, I'm considering that. |
| 05:30.52 | Epyon | jude-, but knowing her, she'll wear it a lot before I have my hands on it, just because it's something connected to me :P |
| 05:31.03 | jude- | lol |
| 05:31.09 | jude- | it will smell like her |
| 05:31.13 | Epyon | JeffM, no sweat, I believe you :) |
| 05:31.18 | JeffM | jude-: and that is bad why? |
| 05:31.23 | jude- | it's not :) |
| 05:31.40 | jude- | that's the point :) |
| 05:31.52 | Epyon | jude-, that's the up side, the bad side is that if it's poor quality, then the logo will already be wwashed up :P |
| 05:32.36 | Epyon | Anyway, she wears S and XS, and I'd need a M at least :P |
| 05:32.39 | JeffM | they are not print on demand |
| 05:32.45 | JeffM | so the quality should be high |
| 05:33.10 | DTRemenak | Epyon: order one of each, then she'll have one to wear and one to hang on to for you ;) |
| 05:33.26 | Epyon | DTRemenak xD |
| 05:33.42 | DTRemenak | is not sure two would fit in the box though |
| 05:33.58 | DTRemenak | small and medium, maybe. the "sample" was an XL |
| 05:34.29 | JeffM | well there are larger boxes I could use maybe |
| 05:34.40 | JeffM | well if shiping was domesic |
| 05:34.47 | JeffM | then I can use the big tyvec |
| 05:34.48 | DTRemenak | ah, then you could use th bags |
| 05:34.51 | JeffM | yeah |
| 05:34.57 | JeffM | the big bags may hold 2 |
| 05:35.01 | JeffM | they will hold one easy |
| 05:35.27 | Epyon | I'd order a Hooded/zippered black M and a M T-Shirt if the shipping prices weren't so steep :/ |
| 05:35.43 | JeffM | Epyon: I can combine the shiping on a shirt and hoodie |
| 05:35.45 | Epyon | And if I'd trust the postal service to work -_- |
| 05:36.04 | JeffM | you have lots of trust issues, purchasing a shirt may not be the best thing for you. |
| 05:36.20 | Epyon | 35$ on shipping is still high though :? |
| 05:36.34 | JeffM | for international that's going rate |
| 05:36.40 | Epyon | JeffM, it's the polish postal services that I don't trust :P |
| 05:36.42 | JeffM | the world is a big place |
| 05:36.52 | jude- | have your girlfriend deliver it to you :) |
| 05:36.55 | JeffM | Epyon: USPS contracts out to FexEX |
| 05:37.28 | JeffM | brlcad: you arround? |
| 05:37.28 | Epyon | Ah FedEx... yeah they'd got their services here to. |
| 05:37.31 | L4m3r | probably better that way |
| 05:37.34 | L4m3r | USPS blows |
| 05:37.45 | JeffM | domestic they are not bad |
| 05:37.53 | Constitution | they're cheap, at least |
| 05:38.00 | JeffM | and automated |
| 05:38.01 | jude- | indeed |
| 05:38.03 | Epyon | Anyway, the nominal GSoC T-Shirt didn't arrive at all -- I had to wait for the second USPS/FedEx sent batch xP |
| 05:38.38 | jude- | Epyon: did you at least get the OSS book? |
| 05:38.53 | Epyon | jude-, surprisingly I did O.o |
| 05:39.11 | jude- | that's the more important one, methings (being autographed and all) |
| 05:39.16 | jude- | *methinks |
| 05:39.40 | Epyon | jude-, as the GSoC FAQ states -- "It's ALL about the T-Shirt" xP |
| 05:40.12 | jude- | send them an e-mail |
| 05:40.29 | Epyon | JeffM, I think I'll order the T-Shirt to Poland, and then think about ordering the hoodie to my girlfriends place |
| 05:40.42 | JeffM | Epyon: the hoodies are prepay |
| 05:40.46 | JeffM | they are made custom for you |
| 05:40.56 | JeffM | they will not be available after tomorow |
| 05:41.01 | Epyon | JeffM, is there a deadline? |
| 05:41.05 | JeffM | yes |
| 05:41.07 | JeffM | tomroow |
| 05:41.09 | Epyon | Oh damn. |
| 05:41.12 | JeffM | I place the order tomrow |
| 05:41.21 | DTRemenak | we will likely do a second run at some point though (possibly with a different design), so you could always hold off |
| 05:41.22 | Epyon | hates taking decisions while drunk. |
| 05:41.33 | JeffM | yes we will print more |
| 05:41.54 | JeffM | each time we print I can have hoddies made with the same design/ink as the shirt |
| 05:41.58 | Epyon | Do I have to supply the adress today? |
| 05:42.02 | JeffM | I just can't keep hoodies in stock |
| 05:42.10 | JeffM | Epyon: it'd make it easer |
| 05:42.16 | JeffM | Epyon: if I were you, I'd wait |
| 05:42.31 | Epyon | Hmm, Ok. |
| 05:42.31 | DTRemenak | yeah, buying things while drunk is not a good habit to get into ;) |
| 05:43.02 | Epyon | DTRemenak, I bought my Roland keyboard while drunk, and it was one of the best of my decisions lately xP |
| 05:43.10 | Constitution | do the hoodies have anything printed on the back? |
| 05:43.23 | JeffM | yes |
| 05:43.25 | JeffM | same as the shirts |
| 05:43.36 | DTRemenak | main design on the back, logo on the front-left |
| 05:43.48 | JeffM | the hoodies have to use the same screens as the shirts |
| 05:43.55 | JeffM | and the same inks |
| 05:44.15 | Epyon | Will the "probable next batch" be also available in black-white? |
| 05:44.27 | JeffM | the hoodies can be printed on any color item |
| 05:44.42 | JeffM | if we do the design it will have white, gray and black in it |
| 05:45.07 | JeffM | if we do another design it will have whatever color is in that design |
| 05:45.17 | JeffM | L4m3r is getting a black hoodie |
| 05:45.47 | Epyon | JeffM, there's another issue -- my gf will be returning at the end of may, so it may be the last batch I can try to get my hands cheap. When do you think the next batch will be? |
| 05:46.07 | JeffM | Epyon: there is no way of knowing, it will depend on how the first batch sells |
| 05:46.16 | JeffM | such is the nature of commerce |
| 05:46.25 | Epyon | JeffM, your wild guess please :) |
| 05:46.37 | JeffM | I think they will sell decently |
| 05:46.49 | JeffM | but may could be cutting it close |
| 05:46.52 | Epyon | So... will I have another chance? |
| 05:46.59 | L4m3r | I don't think the black background will affect the design much, since it's enclosed in a white border |
| 05:47.02 | JeffM | I'm certan |
| 05:47.12 | JeffM | it just may not be when she is here |
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| 05:47.50 | DTRemenak | may would be awefuly early to get a second batch shipped |
| 05:47.56 | JeffM | Epyon: how much will 4 euros get you? |
| 05:48.09 | Epyon | JeffM, what do you mean? |
| 05:48.19 | JeffM | what can you buy for 4 euros? |
| 05:48.24 | JeffM | will that buy you lunch? |
| 05:48.38 | Epyon | 9$ vs. 35$ is a lot in difference for shipping. |
| 05:48.50 | JeffM | Epyon: I was speaking of the shirt |
| 05:48.59 | jude- | 4 euros ~ $6, using current exchange rates... |
| 05:49.18 | Epyon | JeffM, I'm talking bout the hoodie. The shirt I want in this batch for sure :P |
| 05:49.34 | JeffM | I do not think you will come to descison on the hoodie in time |
| 05:49.44 | JeffM | there will be no black shirts in this batch |
| 05:49.59 | Epyon | Isn't "now" fast enough? |
| 05:50.28 | Epyon | In case of shirts I was talking bout the characol M-shirt. |
| 05:50.38 | JeffM | for one who quibbles over money so much, I would think you would not wish to rush into a choice |
| 05:50.51 | JeffM | will you have a stable address for her? |
| 05:50.59 | Epyon | Tommorow, yes. |
| 05:51.12 | JeffM | by what time here? |
| 05:51.23 | Epyon | Hmm, in 20 hours I'd guess. |
| 05:51.36 | JeffM | pullover or zip up? |
| 05:51.47 | Epyon | zipup black M. |
| 05:52.07 | Epyon | Or L. |
| 05:52.32 | JeffM | the store site has the mesurements |
| 05:52.57 | Epyon | Yeah, I see. L would be safer. |
| 05:53.46 | JeffM | what state is she in now? |
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| 05:56.09 | JeffM | I will add it to the spreadsheet |
| 05:56.15 | Epyon | San Francisco, California |
| 05:56.20 | JeffM | but I would like to make the order as early as possible tomorow |
| 05:56.30 | JeffM | you are sure you are going to buy one? |
| 05:57.25 | Epyon | Sure. |
| 05:57.28 | JeffM | they will ship at the begining of april |
| 05:57.31 | JeffM | sure, or yes? |
| 05:57.46 | JeffM | if you are positive, I will add it to the order |
| 05:57.54 | Epyon | Absolutely sure, as long as I can pay via PayPal ;] |
| 05:57.57 | JeffM | if not, and we are out the money I will not be pleased |
| 05:58.04 | JeffM | yes all I can take is paypal |
| 05:58.06 | L4m3r | beginning of april? this had better not be an elaborate april fools prank |
| 05:58.12 | Epyon | If you give me the adress now, I can make the payment even now. |
| 05:58.14 | L4m3r | :P |
| 05:58.21 | Epyon | L4m3r D: |
| 05:58.23 | Epyon | xP |
| 05:58.33 | JeffM | Epyon: it is all part of the store |
| 05:58.41 | JeffM | the store has a prepay item |
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| 05:59.29 | Epyon | JeffM, shall I buy it via the Zencart store? |
| 05:59.47 | JeffM | Epyon: as long as it is store.bzflag.bz |
| 06:00.16 | JeffM | zencart is the software that runs the store |
| 06:00.20 | Epyon | I'll need to wait for her address though |
| 06:00.35 | Epyon | JeffM, I know ;> |
| 06:00.45 | JeffM | put in your address now if you want, and then let me know hers |
| 06:01.17 | JeffM | you wish for the shirt you eventualy order to go to her as well? |
| 06:01.30 | Epyon | JeffM, do you doubt my word THAT much? :P |
| 06:02.01 | JeffM | Epyon: when money is involved, with people you have not meet, it is better to be safe then sorry |
| 06:02.09 | JeffM | I do not want bzflag to loose money |
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| 06:02.43 | JeffM | but as I said if you are sure I will order. If you wish to order now I can updat the address later. |
| 06:02.58 | JeffM | if you want to order it tomorow when you have the final shiping address, sure |
| 06:03.23 | Epyon | I'll do that tommorow. |
| 06:03.24 | JeffM | but do you want the shirt to go to her address as well? |
| 06:03.48 | Epyon | Hmm |
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| 06:04.17 | Epyon | Considering the difference in shipping is small, I guess I'd take it to my home adress. |
| 06:04.37 | JeffM | then you pay the 11 on that order |
| 06:04.47 | Epyon | Yes. |
| 06:04.55 | JeffM | if you ship it with the hoodie, it can go for free shiping |
| 06:04.58 | JeffM | and you save 11 |
| 06:05.18 | Epyon | But I wont see it until summer :P |
| 06:05.27 | Epyon | But you have a point. |
| 06:05.27 | JeffM | true |
| 06:05.32 | JeffM | just giving you the option |
| 06:06.35 | Epyon | Okay, you'll ship it to her. |
| 06:06.37 | JeffM | on this you do not have to decide now |
| 06:06.50 | JeffM | just before I ship the hoodie |
| 06:06.51 | Epyon | Another reason to wait for her return impatiently :P |
| 06:07.15 | JeffM | best to not anger her in that timeframe ;) |
| 06:07.24 | Epyon | :D |
| 06:07.51 | Epyon | Considering that it's most likely we'll get married anyway, I'm quite safe xP |
| 06:09.43 | JeffM | thinks he will need to get brlcad to mail him a check for 500 bucks |
| 06:10.00 | Epyon | JeffM, why? :P |
| 06:10.14 | JeffM | to comp me for the shirt order |
| 06:10.23 | JeffM | we are using the last of the google money for it |
| 06:11.29 | Epyon | What did you use up the rest for? AFAIK it was 2000$ last year. |
| 06:11.40 | JeffM | taxes |
| 06:11.45 | JeffM | a rental car |
| 06:11.48 | JeffM | 3 hotel rooms |
| 06:11.51 | JeffM | a train ride |
| 06:11.53 | JeffM | a taxi cab |
| 06:12.01 | jude- | busy year? |
| 06:12.02 | JeffM | a dinner |
| 06:12.03 | Epyon | Ah for the mentor conference? |
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| 06:12.10 | JeffM | and a bottle of scotch |
| 06:12.38 | Epyon | JeffM, the last one I can understand, but how could you waste the money on the others? xPPPP |
| 06:12.55 | JeffM | all the others were required to get to the scotch |
| 06:13.15 | Epyon | JeffM, fair enough explanation. |
| 06:13.27 | Constitution | lol |
| 06:13.36 | jude- | hehe |
| 06:13.43 | L4m3r | did you guys need some help to get things going? |
| 06:13.59 | Epyon | Anyway, I'm going off to sack some Z's. G'night all. |
| 06:14.23 | jude- | good night Epyon |
| 06:14.27 | jude- | nice chatting again :) |
| 06:14.45 | Epyon | jude-, hope to see you a lot this summer xP |
| 06:15.09 | jude- | hope to see you too :) |
| 06:18.49 | jude- | heh--"Connection reset by beer" |
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| 16:27.55 | JeffM | summons Saturos and brlcad for related but seperate reasons ;) |
| 16:28.43 | Saturos | salutes |
| 16:28.47 | JeffM | heh |
| 16:29.06 | JeffM | can you make me .ai files for the shirt art, in seperate files, one for the front and one for the back? |
| 16:29.16 | Saturos | sure |
| 16:29.33 | Saturos | shall I include the green rectangle? |
| 16:29.37 | brlcad | qye? |
| 16:29.50 | Saturos | it must be clear that it doesnt need to be printed |
| 16:29.58 | Saturos | its just there to see the white shapes |
| 16:30.01 | JeffM | brlcad, gotta figure out how to pay for this sucker |
| 16:30.14 | JeffM | Saturos, I'd leave it, I'll tell them it's background |
| 16:30.18 | Saturos | k |
| 16:30.26 | brlcad | JeffM: okay |
| 16:30.33 | brlcad | money usually works |
| 16:31.05 | JeffM | brlcad, true |
| 16:31.37 | JeffM | it's probably easiest if I pay for it and you mail me a check |
| 16:32.30 | brlcad | okay |
| 16:32.42 | brlcad | that easier than me paypalling you or will it get fee'd? |
| 16:32.47 | Saturos | how to merge two layers/paths in illustrator? |
| 16:32.59 | brlcad | cmd-E ? |
| 16:33.07 | brlcad | (merge down) |
| 16:33.09 | Saturos | you're thinking photoshop |
| 16:33.13 | Saturos | but I'll try |
| 16:33.16 | brlcad | ah, not the same? |
| 16:33.23 | Saturos | nope |
| 16:33.27 | JeffM | yeah I don't want to get feed |
| 16:33.35 | brlcad | kicks off Illustrator |
| 16:33.48 | Saturos | The "BZFlag" is still seperated from the white circle |
| 16:34.00 | Saturos | I dont know how to merge them.. maybe its not even possible. |
| 16:34.39 | brlcad | CS3 a great suite of apps for making 4GB of memory feeling rather inadequate |
| 16:34.40 | JeffM | brlcad, and the the next question is, lets say the thing we want to get setup after noon today, gets set up. Will it have any fees to setup? |
| 16:35.04 | brlcad | I don't believe so |
| 16:35.07 | JeffM | ok |
| 16:35.10 | Saturos | of course I can group them, but thats not the same.. and maybe its not even a problem |
| 16:35.34 | brlcad | I'd like to talk to them on the phone too just to be sure we have a solid understanding/relationship with them |
| 16:35.40 | brlcad | maybe phonecon |
| 16:35.50 | JeffM | then how much we want to pull out for the shirts? |
| 16:36.02 | brlcad | you let me know when/where/how much |
| 16:36.06 | JeffM | I don't need the total |
| 16:36.12 | JeffM | as we have some in the store paypal now |
| 16:36.28 | JeffM | wana do 500? that leaves a little more buffer for taxes |
| 16:36.33 | JeffM | or small fees for orgness |
| 16:36.39 | brlcad | okay |
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| 16:37.06 | JeffM | cool |
| 16:37.30 | JeffM | with all the hoodies we are over the intial 500 :) |
| 16:37.38 | JeffM | but we have the money for those, so it's cool |
| 16:37.52 | JeffM | Epyon, you 100% on the hoodie now that you are sober? |
| 16:38.37 | JBdiGriz | offers to "feed" JeffM |
| 16:38.47 | JeffM | just want it all to be in the open so that noone feels they are getting screwed |
| 16:38.58 | JeffM | ahh JBdiGriz is here, he can pay for his hoodie :) |
| 16:39.22 | JBdiGriz | Where is he? He needs a good thrashing. |
| 16:39.27 | JeffM | heh |
| 16:39.33 | JeffM | http://store.bzflag.org |
| 16:39.43 | JeffM | there are hoodie items you can pay for |
| 16:39.48 | JeffM | and pick size and color |
| 16:39.53 | JBdiGriz | Safari can?t open the page ?http://store.bzflag.org/? because it can?t find the server ?store.bzflag.org?. |
| 16:39.56 | JeffM | there is a shiping option for "pickup" |
| 16:40.00 | JeffM | sorry |
| 16:40.01 | JeffM | .bz |
| 16:40.11 | JeffM | my mind is already on the next thing I have to do |
| 16:40.25 | JeffM | TimRiker, can I get a store.bzflag.org that points to store.bzflag.bz ;) |
| 16:40.30 | JBdiGriz | So much for just clicking on provided links. |
| 16:40.49 | JeffM | well I can get you one |
| 16:40.53 | JeffM | hang on ;) |
| 16:41.02 | JBdiGriz | I'm already there. :D |
| 16:41.06 | JeffM | ok |
| 16:41.11 | JeffM | just make sure you pick the right shiping |
| 16:41.14 | JeffM | the last one |
| 16:41.18 | TimRiker | JeffM: sure |
| 16:41.22 | JeffM | TimRiker, thanks |
| 16:41.33 | JeffM | ok, if anyone else wants a hoodie, last call |
| 16:43.50 | TimRiker | ~host store.bzflag.org |
| 16:43.50 | ibot | see nslookup store.bzflag.org |
| 16:43.56 | TimRiker | ~nslookup store.bzflag.org |
| 16:44.06 | TimRiker | ~nslookup store.bzflag.com |
| 16:44.07 | JeffM | thanks :) |
| 16:44.23 | TimRiker | np |
| 16:44.27 | donny_baker | JeffM: how many hoodies were ordered? |
| 16:44.43 | JeffM | brlcad, can you point store.bzflag.org to the store dir? :) |
| 16:44.57 | JeffM | donny_baker, let me check my spredsheet |
| 16:45.12 | TimRiker | brlcad: and net and com while your at it. |
| 16:45.20 | JeffM | 8 |
| 16:45.44 | donny_baker | thought there would be more |
| 16:45.49 | JeffM | they arn't cheap |
| 16:46.09 | JeffM | we'll actualy only break even on the hoodies |
| 16:46.17 | Saturos | optimize for which illu version? cs2? |
| 16:46.29 | JeffM | Saturos, dunno |
| 16:46.51 | Saturos | I'll do CS2. CS3 is rather new, but everybody should have 2 by now. |
| 16:46.56 | Saturos | If they work in the business. |
| 16:49.19 | Saturos | I made the front image 5.5cm |
| 16:49.22 | Saturos | and the back 25cm |
| 16:49.38 | Saturos | However, they can of course change the size. It's just a default. |
| 16:49.49 | brlcad | http://store.bzflag.org/ is open for business (.net and .com too) |
| 16:49.51 | Saturos | http://dev.saturos.de/shirt_front.ai |
| 16:50.04 | Saturos | http://dev.saturos.de/shirt_back.ai |
| 16:50.04 | TimRiker | brlcad: heh. did you do it too? :) |
| 16:50.32 | Saturos | It would be cool if somebody could open them quickly in illu to see if everything is where it should be. |
| 16:51.40 | Saturos | heh.. "The BZFlag logo shirt, in charcoal gray, size small. Only suitable for small children and wee babies." |
| 16:51.50 | brlcad | TimRiker: hm? |
| 16:51.53 | Saturos | I wanted an S. Now I'm feeling bad. |
| 16:52.02 | brlcad | TimRiker: I just mean that I updated apache to respond to store.* |
| 16:52.40 | TimRiker | brlcad: I thought I had just finished doing that. |
| 16:53.15 | TimRiker | so we must have both been editing it. :) I notices that although the ServerName is store.bzflag.bz the logs use b.o |
| 16:53.24 | TimRiker | I didn't change that though. |
| 16:53.34 | brlcad | oh, maybe you edited the .bz file? |
| 16:53.39 | brlcad | there's a separate one for the .org |
| 16:53.49 | brlcad | in Includes/ |
| 16:54.19 | TimRiker | ah. then yes... I edited bzflag.bz in there and added aliases. it has the logs as b.o not b.bz |
| 16:54.27 | Saturos | JeffM: I'll be back later, like in three hours. I hope the files are how you wanted them to be. |
| 16:54.40 | brlcad | ahh, yes, I see |
| 16:54.53 | TimRiker | brlcad: defining the same "site" in multiple files seems like a Bad Thing to me. |
| 16:55.26 | brlcad | they originally weren't the same site ;) |
| 16:55.35 | JBdiGriz | It depends if the site will remain the same. |
| 16:55.59 | JeffM | Saturos, thanks |
| 16:56.24 | JBdiGriz | If you plan on splitting them in the future, it's easier to keep them separate. If not, a link/alias would be the better way to go. |
| 16:57.36 | brlcad | the original breakout was one file per domain, and that's still mostly the case but the .bz domain and .org/.net/.com have been merging more and more |
| 16:58.24 | JBdiGriz | What's the plan for the future? Will they eventually merge into one, or is there a reason to keep them separate? |
| 16:58.56 | brlcad | I could see either merging them into one for 'bzflag' or breaking them up even further to one file per name |
| 16:59.43 | JBdiGriz | Why would we break them up into different sites? What would be the different purposes? Plans for a commercialization? (.com) |
| 17:00.48 | brlcad | oh, I'm just referring to the config files |
| 17:00.58 | brlcad | the sites themselves.. I don't see a reason to break them up |
| 17:01.07 | JBdiGriz | I'm thinking more of "business" reasons rather than technical reasons for the web sites. Right now, it seems like we are still staying with one development line, so it would make sense to keep them all the same. |
| 17:01.19 | brlcad | they've merged because we want them all working together more consistently |
| 17:01.39 | JBdiGriz | In that case, we save ourselves time by going to the aliases now, and merging in what we need from the various sites. |
| 17:01.51 | brlcad | probably ideally merging in bzflag.org and my.bzflag.org down the road even |
| 17:01.59 | JBdiGriz | It also keeps things consistent until we actually have any reason to split them up. |
| 17:02.42 | brlcad | the issue here, though, was just telling apache to respond and where that responder is put config-file-wise |
| 17:03.20 | brlcad | tim edited the .bz file not knowing there is a separate config for the .org/.net/.org responders |
| 17:03.45 | JeffM | well he is a busy man |
| 17:03.57 | JBdiGriz | I can double check apache, but I think that's fairly simple once you decide to go with a single config which responds to a number of aliased sites. |
| 17:04.30 | JeffM | JBdiGriz, are you purchasing a shirt too? |
| 17:04.38 | brlcad | the only reason they're separate now is that it's the config mirrored from the original m.b.o breakout |
| 17:05.06 | brlcad | well, and a few of them actually (at least did) respond differently for .org/.net/.com |
| 17:05.30 | JBdiGriz | No, just the hoodie. I was cleaning out my T-shirts this weekend, and have several hundred lying around, including some from the early years of arpanet. |
| 17:05.37 | JeffM | JBdiGriz, okeys |
| 17:06.05 | JBdiGriz | I should digitize some of the art from those shirts if it's not lying around the net somewhere already. |
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| 17:11.08 | JeffM | I'm just trying to know who of those that are getting hoodies are getting shirts too, so I can make sure they get a shiping credit when I combine them. |
| 17:11.41 | JeffM | hands out gift certificates like candy |
| 17:13.29 | JeffM | whoot, JBdiGriz's order means we have more real orders then testing orders ;) |
| 17:13.55 | brlcad | heh |
| 17:14.14 | JBdiGriz | is order #12 :) |
| 17:14.31 | brlcad | sets up an auto-notifier to know when the org list is published |
| 17:15.16 | Ebert | thinks the link should go in the topic bar |
| 17:15.58 | Ebert | where's the site? im interested in a bzpurchase |
| 17:16.12 | Ebert | and is part of it going to dev funds |
| 17:17.03 | JBdiGriz | The shipping on my order is going to the "buy a beer for a dev" fund. ;) |
| 17:17.40 | JBdiGriz | http://store.bzflag.bz/ |
| 17:18.18 | Ebert | ah found it right before |
| 17:18.28 | Epyon | Ok, my order is also in xP |
| 17:23.40 | Ebert | no more small tees :X |
| 17:23.54 | Ebert | or is that an error |
| 17:24.39 | Ebert | oh i see now, ahem |
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| 17:25.34 | Epyon | Oh my god, seems I won't be here for "the moment" :/ |
| 17:25.50 | Epyon | curses his damn alcoholic friends. |
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| 18:01.51 | Ebert | jeffm do the final shirts not have any green on the printing? |
| 18:02.04 | JeffM | no green |
| 18:02.10 | JeffM | white then gray then black |
| 18:07.19 | JeffM | did we ever show one with green in the logo? |
| 18:10.32 | Ebert | yes, but final ones look good |
| 18:10.45 | Ebert | that must have been the fancy advertising |
| 18:11.09 | JeffM | we have showed them on green hoodies |
| 18:11.46 | Ebert | no it was on a tshirt, just making sure |
| 18:12.01 | JeffM | one of the samples may have been on green |
| 18:12.01 | Ebert | when you were looking at color combos |
| 18:12.05 | JeffM | maybe |
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| 18:54.25 | Winny | waves |
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| 19:01.27 | Epyon | brlcad, >400 :P |
| 19:02.37 | Lukstr | gsoc is madness |
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| 19:06.05 | Winny | JeffM: aww, preorders are closed? But I needed an XXXXXXL hoodie... |
| 19:06.33 | Epyon | 6X? O.O |
| 19:08.13 | Winny | Epyon: most certainly |
| 19:08.17 | Winny | bedsheets! |
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| 19:13.17 | Ride | wonders if any one has some cool map ideas that we could work on |
| 19:15.06 | Marzipan | yeah |
| 19:15.17 | Marzipan | a giant castle with many different rooms to explore |
| 19:15.38 | Marzipan | let's say 10 floors with 20 rooms |
| 19:15.44 | Marzipan | linked with teleporters ;-) |
| 19:16.11 | Marzipan | mabey add some secrets and stuff like that |
| 19:17.20 | Marzipan | something like louman did with his home sweet home just a little big bigger |
| 19:17.21 | Ride | ahh sounds fun |
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| 19:21.40 | Ride- | nudges Marzipan |
| 19:25.01 | javawizard2539 | So I'm kind of new to IRC, and I have a problem with building BZFlag from source and was referred here by the forums |
| 19:25.24 | L4m3r | what OS? |
| 19:25.41 | javawizard2539 | Windows Vista |
| 19:25.49 | javawizard2539 | With MSVC++ Express 2008 |
| 19:25.52 | Marzipan_ | ride i need to register just 1 sec |
| 19:25.54 | javawizard2539 | Hold on a sec |
| 19:26.14 | L4m3r | you need to install some dependencies, probably. But why build from source in the first place? |
| 19:26.52 | javawizard2539 | I'm trying to modify the code |
| 19:27.02 | javawizard2539 | I'm thinking of writing a new flag for my client |
| 19:27.22 | javawizard2539 | Anyway, I get The application has failed because it's side-by-side configuration is invalid |
| 19:27.41 | L4m3r | you should probably use trunk for that, and it won't be compatible with public servers |
| 19:28.01 | javawizard2539 | what do you mean, use trunk? |
| 19:28.19 | L4m3r | use the newer development version of the game... 2.99 |
| 19:28.20 | javawizard2539 | I checked it out from bzflag.svn.sf.net/svnroot/bzflag/trunk/bzflag |
| 19:28.27 | L4m3r | yeah, that's the one |
| 19:29.04 | javawizard2539 | Another thing. It wouldn't compile when curl was to be built |
| 19:29.12 | javawizard2539 | So i disabled curl and then it compiled fine |
| 19:29.53 | L4m3r | I'm guessing you have your own curl installed on the machine? |
| 19:29.59 | javawizard2539 | No |
| 19:30.10 | L4m3r | hm... |
| 19:30.12 | javawizard2539 | It's the project that is in the BZFlag solution that is in the MSVC folder |
| 19:31.07 | L4m3r | well, I don't do a lot of windows dev... all I know is that people usually have trouble getting all the dependencies in order before building |
| 19:32.13 | javawizard2539 | hmm |
| 19:32.26 | javawizard2539 | Is the curl project in bzflag actually curl or some sort of wrapper for bzflag? |
| 19:32.37 | javawizard2539 | Actually, on a side note, what is curl? |
| 19:32.43 | L4m3r | cURL |
| 19:32.51 | L4m3r | a small http lib of some sort |
| 19:33.18 | brlcad | gets an e-mail |
| 19:33.34 | Winny | brlcad: first email eh? |
| 19:33.38 | L4m3r | it's included with bzflag to make deps easier... on *nix systems, the configure script will look for curl and build the included one if it's not found |
| 19:33.54 | javawizard2539 | ok |
| 19:34.07 | brlcad | Winny: a rather important/interesting e-mail |
| 19:34.09 | JBdiGriz | wonders about the sender of that email |
| 19:34.19 | javawizard2539 | Any way to get it running on MinGW? |
| 19:34.32 | javawizard2539 | I tried but MSYS console says it can't find autoconf |
| 19:35.00 | Winny | brlcad: accepted in GSoC or something? :) |
| 19:35.02 | brlcad | JBdiGriz: that would be from Google ;-) |
| 19:35.13 | Winny | ooh, I was close |
| 19:35.23 | JBdiGriz | was hoping that was the case, and perhaps signed by Leslie? |
| 19:35.45 | brlcad | actually signed by codesite-noreply, but close enough ;) |
| 19:35.49 | JeffM | we got accepted? what a SCHOCK |
| 19:36.00 | Epyon | I'm off see ya in a couple of hours - I hope there will be good news them :D |
| 19:36.13 | JBdiGriz | I don't know if it is an acceptance or a rejection yet. brlcad is playing coy. |
| 19:36.18 | brlcad | heh |
| 19:36.26 | JeffM | it's post noon |
| 19:36.28 | brlcad | *drumroll* |
| 19:36.31 | Epyon | (or someone can send me a SMS to +48696098170) ^^ |
| 19:36.36 | brlcad | We got accepted. |
| 19:36.43 | L4m3r | well it's not like you guys were the group that called Leslie rude names... :P |
| 19:36.47 | JeffM | tho oddly , wy do I have more then one org to pick as a mentor? |
| 19:36.48 | JBdiGriz | applauds |
| 19:36.53 | brlcad | (BRL-CAD got accepted too, woo hoo) |
| 19:37.05 | L4m3r | yay |
| 19:37.05 | Epyon | brlcad, you got some inside informant? D: |
| 19:37.17 | JeffM | us... never ;) |
| 19:37.42 | brlcad | Epyon: the e-mails are kicking off before the web posting apparently |
| 19:37.46 | brlcad | "Congratulations, your organization has been accepted in to the Google Summer of Code(tm) 2008" |
| 19:37.50 | JBdiGriz | Hooray, students to abuse^H^H^H^H^H provide code ;) |
| 19:38.07 | Epyon | Yaaaaay :D |
| 19:38.11 | Epyon | cheers. |
| 19:38.18 | L4m3r | hehehe... "provide" |
| 19:38.42 | JeffM | awww my subscription request for the mentor list from LAST year just got denied ;) |
| 19:38.42 | Epyon | Now I can go drink beer with a clear consciousness :D |
| 19:38.42 | Winny | JBdiGriz: you don't abuse everyone in here enough already? ;) |
| 19:38.42 | L4m3r | drink one for me, Epyon |
| 19:38.49 | Epyon | L4m3r, granted :] |
| 19:38.52 | L4m3r | I can't, because I have a final tomorrow :( |
| 19:38.53 | spldart | 8-d |
| 19:39.00 | JBdiGriz | Winny: I'll have to work harder. |
| 19:39.10 | Lukstr | congratz, guys |
| 19:40.17 | JeffM | ok, got the info back from the printers... time to place the order. |
| 19:40.23 | Winny | :) |
| 19:40.27 | L4m3r | yay |
| 19:40.28 | SpazzyMcGee | how exiting |
| 19:40.28 | JeffM | spends some bzflag money! |
| 19:40.42 | SpazzyMcGee | Jeff, that's not legal tender |
| 19:40.46 | Winny | watches JeffM run to mexico with unprinted shirts |
| 19:40.54 | JeffM | brlcad, Erroneous want to review the order spredsheet |
| 19:40.59 | SpazzyMcGee | you can't just print out your own money |
| 19:41.07 | JeffM | Winny, if I wanted to, I could run to mexico with 750$ |
| 19:41.26 | L4m3r | hehe... talking to chillin yesterday |
| 19:42.01 | L4m3r | "I pre-ordered my bzflag hoody... maybe you can model it for me" "Why me? it'd be way too big!" "Because I'm ugly" "hahahaha" |
| 19:42.22 | brlcad | aha, hehe.. I see how I found out so quickly |
| 19:42.26 | brlcad | it's alphabetical |
| 19:42.29 | JeffM | nice |
| 19:42.37 | brlcad | the mentor dashboard is slowly filling in |
| 19:42.42 | brlcad | up to drupal now |
| 19:42.45 | JeffM | I hit the button on mine |
| 19:43.00 | JeffM | what was odd, was it asked if I wanted to be a mentor for brlcad too |
| 19:43.10 | JeffM | and like 15 other projects |
| 19:43.15 | L4m3r | o_O |
| 19:43.22 | brlcad | yeah, that's the list |
| 19:43.28 | JeffM | ahh the list of the all |
| 19:43.28 | brlcad | it's slowly filling in |
| 19:43.29 | JeffM | got it |
| 19:43.34 | Winny | cracks the drupal whip on brlcad |
| 19:43.39 | JeffM | was one of those another game? |
| 19:44.02 | L4m3r | when will the project list be posted publically? |
| 19:44.12 | JeffM | probably after they all go out |
| 19:44.22 | L4m3r | wonders if the /. editors will post yet another gsoc update story |
| 19:44.29 | brlcad | no other games so far |
| 19:44.39 | JeffM | I love how the very FIRST thing after your name is "t-shirt" |
| 19:44.50 | JeffM | brlcad, then what is "Battle for Wesnoth" |
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| 19:45.17 | L4m3r | turn-based fantasy game |
| 19:45.27 | JeffM | that'd be a game |
| 19:45.30 | Erroneous | JeffM: accounting software :P |
| 19:45.36 | JeffM | heh |
| 19:45.40 | L4m3r | http://wesnoth.org |
| 19:45.58 | brlcad | JeffM: OH |
| 19:46.02 | brlcad | i didn't see them in the list! |
| 19:46.06 | brlcad | cool, they made it |
| 19:46.16 | brlcad | coached them on their mailing list a bit |
| 19:46.17 | JeffM | think TP will make it? |
| 19:47.29 | brlcad | probably |
| 19:47.33 | JeffM | cool |
| 19:47.53 | JBdiGriz | notes that he has an email as well |
| 19:49.21 | spldart | got an email too |
| 19:49.34 | JeffM | should I realy order 6 small shirts? |
| 19:49.43 | Winny | who ordered them? |
| 19:49.50 | JeffM | noone |
| 19:49.55 | JeffM | this is for regular stock |
| 19:50.12 | JeffM | 6 small, 10 medium, 12 large, 9 XL, 4 XXL and 3 XXXL |
| 19:50.21 | spldart | I assume I need to reply to accept using the link |
| 19:50.27 | JeffM | spldart, yes |
| 19:50.35 | Winny | JeffM: the poll is only 4 |
| 19:50.39 | JeffM | yeah |
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| 19:50.48 | JeffM | but the poll is for less shirts then we are making |
| 19:50.54 | Winny | I'd only get 4... I highly doubt even those will be bought |
| 19:51.04 | andrecastelo | good evening everyone |
| 19:51.07 | JBdiGriz | spldart: You need to fill out the form, and then be accepted by brlcad |
| 19:51.12 | Winny | You'd need to be a midget/10 to fit in them |
| 19:51.14 | JeffM | yeah I'll shift them into medium |
| 19:53.26 | brlcad | hello andrecastelo |
| 19:55.52 | andrecastelo | hey brlcad |
| 20:00.53 | Manu | brlcad: bzflag has been accepted :) |
| 20:01.09 | Winny | points upwards for Manu |
| 20:01.15 | spldart | :-) |
| 20:02.00 | Manu | Winny: wanted to transmit my euphoria ;) |
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| 20:02.18 | Winny | Manu :) |
| 20:02.22 | L4m3r | so, how many slots are we planning on requesting? |
| 20:03.27 | JeffM | 5 tto 6 |
| 20:04.44 | Manu | brlcad: congrats for BRL-CAD too ;) |
| 20:04.47 | brlcad | Manu: I know, I announced it a while ago :) |
| 20:05.11 | Ride- | does anyone have some cool map ideas that we could put together? |
| 20:05.12 | brlcad | yeah, BRL-CAD participating will be awesome too |
| 20:05.16 | Ride- | if so pm me |
| 20:06.03 | Winny | Ride-: ##bzw |
| 20:06.20 | JeffM | brlcad, Erroneous a copy of the order has been forwarded to you 2 just in case |
| 20:06.36 | JeffM | spent 592.20$ |
| 20:07.50 | javawizard2539 | I sent a message about a problem I was having with building BZFlag on Window Vista with MSVC++ 2008 a few minutes ago |
| 20:08.11 | javawizard2539 | I managed to trace the problem down to the command for libcurl that copies libcurl.dll to ../.. |
| 20:08.33 | javawizard2539 | It's saying that libcurl doesn't exist, so basically, this looks like MSVC isn't building the dll for the project |
| 20:08.38 | javawizard2539 | Anyone ever had this before? |
| 20:09.50 | brlcad | k |
| 20:10.03 | JeffM | javawizard2539, ah you are on vista with 2008 |
| 20:10.13 | JeffM | are you building trunk or branch? |
| 20:10.17 | javawizard2539 | trunk |
| 20:10.39 | JeffM | ok, so what errors do you get when curl compiles? |
| 20:10.45 | javawizard2539 | none |
| 20:10.51 | javawizard2539 | sry, there is one |
| 20:10.53 | Manu | javawizard2539: do you have libcurl insalled? |
| 20:10.56 | JeffM | then it should build the dll ;) |
| 20:10.59 | Manu | installed* |
| 20:11.00 | JeffM | Manu, he dosn't need it |
| 20:11.03 | JeffM | not linux |
| 20:11.05 | Manu | ah |
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| 20:11.12 | JeffM | trunk builds the curl for him |
| 20:11.17 | JeffM | javawizard2539, what is the error? |
| 20:11.20 | Manu | heh |
| 20:11.29 | javawizard2539 | I searched for it, and it found it in libcurl_debug |
| 20:11.32 | JeffM | we haven't done lots of testing using VC 2008 |
| 20:11.47 | JeffM | javawizard2539, ok so does the actual client build? |
| 20:11.50 | L4m3r | (random) is it weird/wrong to pass a char* by reference? |
| 20:12.03 | JeffM | L4m3r, it's more type safe |
| 20:12.11 | javawizard2539 | No |
| 20:12.21 | javawizard2539 | I tried disabling curl and then it builds... |
| 20:12.28 | JeffM | you can't disable curl |
| 20:12.29 | JeffM | we need it |
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| 20:12.36 | javawizard2539 | Ok |
| 20:12.38 | JeffM | you need to find the problem with curl |
| 20:12.41 | JeffM | one thing to try |
| 20:12.52 | JeffM | are you using the files in the VC8 or VC9 dir? |
| 20:12.56 | javawizard2539 | VC9 |
| 20:13.00 | Erroneous | L4m3r: passing pointers by ref only makes sense if you intend to change the pointer (i.e. make it point elsewhere) |
| 20:13.05 | JeffM | try the ones in the VC8 dir |
| 20:13.09 | JeffM | it will ask to upgrade them |
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| 20:13.10 | L4m3r | that is what I intend to do :) |
| 20:13.11 | JeffM | say yes |
| 20:13.27 | JeffM | I haven't had time to do full checks on the VC9 projects after the last reorg |
| 20:13.33 | Erroneous | and yeah, there's nothing wrong with it, bizarre as it is (why not use a std::string&?) |
| 20:13.34 | L4m3r | normally I'd use std::strings or whatnot for this sort of thing, but I'm manipulating binary data >_< |
| 20:13.44 | Erroneous | nothing wrong with binary data in a std::string |
| 20:13.47 | javawizard2539 | One more thing I just thought of |
| 20:13.56 | javawizard2539 | If this doesn't work, I'll try what you said |
| 20:13.56 | Erroneous | just make sure you use .data() instead of .c_str() to get it out |
| 20:13.56 | L4m3r | really? it just seems weird |
| 20:14.08 | javawizard2539 | Would manually copying libcurl.dll and then disabling building curl work? |
| 20:14.14 | JeffM | javawizard2539, no |
| 20:14.20 | JeffM | we need the export lib too |
| 20:14.23 | JeffM | not just the dll |
| 20:14.28 | Erroneous | L4m3r: it gets done all the time in stringstreams |
| 20:14.28 | javawizard2539 | ok |
| 20:14.37 | javawizard2539 | I'll try using VC8 files and get back to you in a minute. |
| 20:14.40 | JeffM | all the apps link to libcurl.lib |
| 20:19.48 | javawizard2539 | It's building |
| 20:19.56 | javawizard2539 | I'm hoping for the best |
| 20:20.19 | JeffM | we don't realy use 2008 in our development, so it's projects can lag behind |
| 20:20.22 | JeffM | same goes for vista |
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| 20:21.30 | javawizard2539 | libcurl built successfully |
| 20:21.37 | JeffM | cool |
| 20:21.41 | javawizard2539 | I'm still waiting on the rest of the stuff |
| 20:21.45 | JeffM | it should build |
| 20:21.58 | JeffM | I don't think I had to change anything in the projects for VC9 |
| 20:22.02 | JeffM | just upgrade them |
| 20:22.05 | javawizard2539 | ok |
| 20:22.24 | JeffM | makes a note to install VC9 again |
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| 20:25.21 | javawizard2539 | another question |
| 20:25.38 | javawizard2539 | where can I post suggestions for additional features? |
| 20:25.47 | JeffM | depends what they are |
| 20:25.50 | JeffM | you can discuss them here |
| 20:25.54 | JeffM | you can post them to SF |
| 20:25.56 | JeffM | etc.. |
| 20:26.00 | JeffM | discussion is best |
| 20:26.04 | JeffM | what did you have in mind? |
| 20:26.07 | Winny | Read through the FAQ in the enhacements section, though |
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| 20:29.39 | javawizard2539 | My idea was to allow maps to specify new types of flag, that depending on whether or not they are held apply certain physics drivers |
| 20:29.42 | javawizard2539 | for example... |
| 20:30.07 | JeffM | that has been discussed |
| 20:30.09 | javawizard2539 | Let's say there was a map with lava in it, the lava could have a death physics driver unless a "heat shield" flag is held |
| 20:30.31 | JeffM | you should be able to do that with a plugin in 3.0 |
| 20:30.36 | JeffM | we just havd to do one more thing for that |
| 20:30.42 | JeffM | we have custom flags already |
| 20:30.47 | javawizard2539 | Cool |
| 20:30.55 | javawizard2539 | When is 3.0 going to be released? |
| 20:30.57 | JeffM | we just move the death request to the server |
| 20:30.59 | JeffM | when it's done ;) |
| 20:31.14 | JeffM | we would hope before the summer, but that will be tough |
| 20:31.20 | L4m3r | generality of use is a big consideration when suggesting new ideas |
| 20:31.52 | L4m3r | a lot of suggestions are better done as plug-ins because they are specific or specialized... |
| 20:31.58 | javawizard2539 | It finished building |
| 20:32.05 | JeffM | no errors? |
| 20:32.08 | javawizard2539 | Everything built except for bzadmin |
| 20:32.18 | javawizard2539 | But I'm not planning on using it |
| 20:32.20 | JeffM | what build target do you have chosen? |
| 20:32.27 | JeffM | debug? or debug_distrobution ? |
| 20:32.28 | javawizard2539 | Debug_Distribution |
| 20:32.30 | Winny | probably no curses |
| 20:32.32 | javawizard2539 | good point |
| 20:32.32 | JeffM | that woudl be why |
| 20:32.38 | javawizard2539 | I'll change it to debug |
| 20:32.40 | JeffM | it will build with debug |
| 20:32.49 | JeffM | the distro ones want curses and curl |
| 20:32.55 | JeffM | sorry curses and glew |
| 20:33.01 | JeffM | curl is always needed |
| 20:33.21 | spldart | hehe.. |
| 20:33.23 | javawizard2539 | It's building again |
| 20:33.32 | JeffM | yeah it'll do a rebuild of most things |
| 20:34.38 | javawizard2539 | I'll post a note once it's done |
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| 20:42.19 | javawizard2539 | It succeeded |
| 20:42.39 | JeffM | as it should have ;) |
| 20:42.51 | javawizard2539 | I'll try running the executable |
| 20:43.38 | javawizard2539 | I got "The application has failed to start because it's side-by-side configuration is incorrect" |
| 20:43.43 | javawizard2539 | What does that mean? |
| 20:44.07 | JeffM | probably manifest stuff |
| 20:44.13 | JeffM | vista is wierd |
| 20:44.36 | JeffM | you are running the bzflag.exe that is int he root of the tree? |
| 20:45.04 | JeffM | I wonder if we arn't using imbeded manifests |
| 20:47.01 | Constitution | haha, the poor GSoC admins... I didn't realize how many questions like "Hi, what's a good project? Is the list out? Is the list out? When will the list be out? What's a good project? plz pardon me speek and tell me a good project plz. When will the list be out?" they had to put up with |
| 20:47.09 | JeffM | oh it's bad |
| 20:48.15 | javawizard2539 | yes |
| 20:48.20 | javawizard2539 | Any suggestions to fix it? |
| 20:49.24 | JeffM | javawizard2539, how much do you know about windows development? |
| 20:49.36 | JeffM | cus I think you are like the first one to try building on vista |
| 20:49.49 | Erroneous | yeah, that's a manifest issue |
| 20:49.56 | andrecastelo | Constitution: not to mention one guy who spoke half english, half portuguese, who kept spamming everyone's inboxes |
| 20:50.07 | Constitution | heh |
| 20:50.14 | Erroneous | basically you have a newer or older version of the runtimes installed in SxS than you built with, and your manifest is not configured to allow that |
| 20:50.14 | JeffM | Erroneous, are we still using the manifests from VC7 probably? |
| 20:50.27 | Erroneous | I dunno. did you ever check in any manifests? |
| 20:50.35 | JeffM | only for the installer |
| 20:50.44 | Erroneous | shouldn't be then |
| 20:51.02 | JeffM | is there an "auto" mode? |
| 20:51.07 | Erroneous | yeah |
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| 20:51.37 | JeffM | opens up JeffM/Desktop/Silly/ and checks |
| 20:52.06 | JeffM | oh we have a meeting in 6 min. don't we? |
| 20:52.11 | Erroneous | yeah |
| 20:52.37 | javawizard2539 | about nil for vista |
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| 20:52.50 | JeffM | javawizard2539, we will have to look at some of the settings |
| 20:52.51 | javawizard2539 | I used to do my development on Windows XP but my laptop burned out |
| 20:53.49 | JeffM | we are set to imbed a manifest and not use any others |
| 20:54.20 | Erroneous | that sounds good |
| 20:54.27 | JeffM | indeed |
| 20:54.36 | javawizard2539 | I'm somewhat new to C++, coming from java (as my name implies) |
| 20:54.42 | javawizard2539 | What is a manifest |
| 20:54.42 | JeffM | wonder if there are more options under 2008 then there are under 2005 |
| 20:57.55 | Erroneous | a manifest tells the OS a few important things about the application |
| 20:58.17 | JeffM | that and vista is wierd ;) |
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| 20:58.31 | Erroneous | assembly dependencies, SxS info, runAs requirements, codesigning info, etc |
| 20:58.35 | MarioArce01 | HI |
| 20:58.38 | JeffM | hello |
| 20:58.46 | javawizard2539 | Is it a file, or something with the .vcproj project? |
| 20:58.52 | JeffM | javawizard2539, no |
| 20:58.54 | Constitution | ~vista |
| 20:58.55 | ibot | extra, extra, read all about it, vista is just lame. :) |
| 20:59.01 | JeffM | they are generated automagicly |
| 20:59.18 | Erroneous | javawizard2539: embedded manifests are compiled as resources and shoved in the resource section of the PE |
| 20:59.25 | JeffM | basicly you can ether research the issue, or wait for somone to put some time into it |
| 20:59.39 | Erroneous | standalone manifests are external xml files (named <application>.manifest) |
| 20:59.52 | javawizard2539 | Ok |
| 20:59.55 | javawizard2539 | I'll do some research |
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| 21:02.51 | brlcad | hmmm |
| 21:03.01 | brlcad | from the wesnoth guys, this is interesting: http://www.brownpapertickets.com/event/27819 |
| 21:04.07 | brlcad | http://www.pennyarcadeexpo.com/pax10.php |
| 21:04.14 | brlcad | ponders a submission |
| 21:05.07 | javawizard2539 | I read somewhere that someone else was having a similar problem with another application |
| 21:05.18 | javawizard2539 | And they disabled including the manifest |
| 21:05.32 | javawizard2539 | And it fixed it, so I'm going to try it and see what happens |
| 21:07.52 | javawizard2539 | ibot, didn't see your comment before, but I agree |
| 21:07.55 | javawizard2539 | I |
| 21:08.08 | javawizard2539 | I've encountered so many bugs with it |
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| 21:10.16 | torghul | is bzflag accepted for gsoc? |
| 21:10.24 | Winny | yes |
| 21:11.29 | torghul | cool |
| 21:14.05 | javawizard2539 | for the record, another suggestion i encountered was to copy the MSVC++ redist files to the windows/system32 folder of the machine |
| 21:15.34 | javawizard2539 | Now it says that the application failed to initialize properly |
| 21:19.36 | JeffM | javawizard2539 did it say anything else? |
| 21:19.48 | JeffM | like it was missing libcurl.dll or anything? |
| 21:19.52 | javawizard2539 | Nope |
| 21:19.58 | javawizard2539 | It said that the application failed to initialize |
| 21:20.03 | javawizard2539 | property, and click ok to terminate. |
| 21:20.07 | JeffM | you are running the exe that is in the root? |
| 21:20.14 | javawizard2539 | Yes |
| 21:20.19 | javawizard2539 | I'm rebuilding with the manifest included |
| 21:20.21 | JeffM | is there a libcurl.dll in that folder too |
| 21:20.26 | JeffM | what manifest? |
| 21:20.46 | blast007 | is this on the same machine as it was built on? |
| 21:20.48 | javawizard2539 | I disabled including the manifest as per a suggestion I found online, but I re-enabled it after it didn't work |
| 21:21.05 | JeffM | and yeah, is this the same system that builtt it? |
| 21:21.09 | javawizard2539 | I copied the MSVC redist dlls to windows/system32 to see if that would help |
| 21:21.11 | javawizard2539 | yes |
| 21:21.24 | JeffM | you are using 2008 EE? or regular? |
| 21:21.27 | javawizard2539 | There is a libcurl.dll in the same folder |
| 21:21.32 | javawizard2539 | Express Edition |
| 21:21.45 | JeffM | yeah EE uses difrent runtimelibs |
| 21:22.03 | javawizard2539 | So that could have been the problem? |
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| 21:22.17 | JeffM | well the origonal error is saying you have a mismatch |
| 21:24.00 | JeffM | is rather impressed with the profesionalism of the shirt printers |
| 21:24.31 | JeffM | the even send you a PDF of the invoice for your records |
| 21:24.35 | javawizard2539 | Now that the manifest is back in I'm getting the same side-by-side error that I was getting |
| 21:24.53 | JeffM | yeah that is the core issue to fix |
| 21:25.06 | JeffM | it is probably compounded by the fact that you are using EE on vista |
| 21:25.32 | JeffM | I wonder if we'll have to build the projects native in 9 |
| 21:26.25 | javawizard2539 | Hmm |
| 21:26.33 | javawizard2539 | How hard would it be to get it up and running in MinGW? |
| 21:26.34 | Constitution | and we're in! |
| 21:26.38 | JeffM | dunno |
| 21:26.46 | JeffM | we don't realy maintain that system |
| 21:27.00 | JeffM | and I don't know if anyone has tried it under vista |
| 21:27.04 | JeffM | but it "should" work |
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| 21:27.21 | javawizard2539 | I already tried but got errors when running in MSYS that autoconf couldn't be found |
| 21:27.46 | JeffM | does autoconf exist? |
| 21:27.54 | JeffM | and is it in the paths |
| 21:28.00 | javawizard2539 | Hold on a sec |
| 21:28.13 | blast007 | Constitution: woo! |
| 21:28.31 | *** topic/#bzflag by Constitution -> http://BZFlag.org || http://cia.vc/stats/project/BZFlag || http://my.BZFlag.org/w/Getting_Help || logs at http://ibot.rikers.org/#bzflag || http://ohloh.net/projects/189 || 2.0.10 is the latest public release || GSoC 2008 is on, join #gsoc if you're interested in participating (mentors and students) http://tanks4code.blogspot.com/ || BZFlag has been accepted as a mentoring organization for GSoC 2008. See http://my.bzflag.org/w/Google_Summer_ |
| 21:28.39 | Constitution | wups |
| 21:28.43 | JeffM | too long |
| 21:28.43 | blast007 | heh |
| 21:28.50 | JeffM | I'll make a post on the blog that is linked |
| 21:29.06 | Constitution | linked to... our ideas page? |
| 21:29.20 | brlcad | official list is live |
| 21:29.30 | ruskie | GSoC 2008, join #gsoc(mentors and students) http://tanks4code.blogspot.com/ See http://my.bzflag.org/w/Google_Summer_ |
| 21:29.33 | *** topic/#bzflag by JeffM -> http://BZFlag.org || http://cia.vc/stats/project/BZFlag || http://my.BZFlag.org/w/Getting_Help || logs at http://ibot.rikers.org/#bzflag || http://ohloh.net/projects/189 || 2.0.10 is the latest public release || BZFlag is in GSoC 2008 , join #gsoc if you're interested in participating (students) mentor blog -> http://tanks4code.blogspot.com/ |
| 21:29.34 | ruskie | might be better :) |
| 21:29.56 | JeffM | Constitution, the blog links to the ideas page already |
| 21:30.23 | Constitution | k |
| 21:31.04 | javawizard2539 | JeffM: I searched in MinGW and MSYS folders but couldn't find anything with autoconf in the name |
| 21:31.12 | javawizard2539 | Where do I get it for Win32? |
| 21:31.20 | JeffM | dunno |
| 21:31.29 | JeffM | you will have to do a lot of the research on it |
| 21:32.01 | blast007 | iirc, there is a readme for mingww |
| 21:32.52 | JeffM | there is, but it dosn't have URLS to get every little bit |
| 21:33.26 | javawizard2539 | From what I can find it appears that MSYS should include autoconf |
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| 21:33.35 | JeffM | javawizard2539, but it dosn't ;) |
| 21:33.57 | javawizard2539 | I will check to see if I downloaded some sort of minimalist version |
| 21:34.04 | blast007 | it probably did |
| 21:34.11 | blast007 | run a search |
| 21:34.33 | blast007 | is msys just win32 bins? |
| 21:34.47 | blast007 | or is it more like cygwin? |
| 21:34.53 | JeffM | dunno |
| 21:35.32 | javawizard2539 | Worse case , I could try getting it running on Cygwin |
| 21:35.48 | JeffM | oh good luck with THAT one ;) |
| 21:36.04 | JeffM | best case is, you ditch vista ;) |
| 21:36.10 | javawizard2539 | yep |
| 21:36.20 | javawizard2539 | I wish, except that my work won't let me revert to XP |
| 21:36.28 | JeffM | there is one other thing to try |
| 21:36.35 | JeffM | do you have to use VC 2008? |
| 21:36.43 | JeffM | cus there is an EE for 2005 |
| 21:37.16 | JeffM | we have more experience with that , not under vista, but still more |
| 21:37.26 | JeffM | 2008 is very new |
| 21:37.28 | javawizard2539 | ok |
| 21:37.36 | JeffM | its a lot of downoad tho |
| 21:37.42 | javawizard2539 | Where do I download it? It doesn't appear to be available on the MSVC website |
| 21:38.48 | JeffM | on the VC 2008 EE page |
| 21:38.54 | JeffM | there is a buton for previous edtions |
| 21:39.00 | JeffM | http://www.microsoft.com/express/2005/ |
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| 21:40.13 | javawizard2539 | Ok |
| 21:40.19 | javawizard2539 | How do I uninstall MSVC 2008 |
| 21:40.32 | javawizard2539 | I can't find an ununstall option |
| 21:40.32 | JeffM | same way you remove any software on your system |
| 21:40.39 | javawizard2539 | Oh wait |
| 21:40.46 | JeffM | should be a controll panel |
| 21:40.48 | javawizard2539 | I completely forgot about control panel |
| 21:40.50 | javawizard2539 | yep |
| 21:42.15 | blast007 | I think Vista even has a toolbar button right in My Computer |
| 21:46.07 | brlcad | we should probably host the game session at the summit this time |
| 21:46.27 | JeffM | we should |
| 21:46.29 | JeffM | and will |
| 21:46.52 | brlcad | I mean instead of tp 'leading' it |
| 21:47.02 | JeffM | I'll even make slides for "z.. why it IS up" |
| 21:47.11 | JeffM | we'll have the shirts this time |
| 21:47.13 | JeffM | all will fear us |
| 21:47.14 | brlcad | heh |
| 21:47.26 | JeffM | we'll print one for LH even |
| 21:48.14 | brlcad | the wesnoth guys give us a run for money when it comes to artistic content |
| 21:48.29 | JeffM | that's not a very hard run ;) |
| 21:48.35 | brlcad | and make us look a little like tp does to us when it comes to production quality cleanliness |
| 21:48.46 | JeffM | as we should be |
| 21:48.50 | JeffM | has a plan for that |
| 21:48.53 | JeffM | a german plan |
| 21:49.03 | JeffM | bribery works |
| 21:49.08 | brlcad | we just still beat them all on familiarity/popularity |
| 21:49.12 | brlcad | heh |
| 21:49.31 | JeffM | we are no more then 2 weeks of work away from being a lot cleaner then we are now |
| 21:54.01 | brlcad | the ggz gaming zone guys are interested in collaborating with us on something (presumably because they weren't accepted) |
| 21:54.07 | brlcad | not gsoc but in general |
| 21:54.15 | brlcad | (hadn't heard of them myself, http://www.ggzgamingzone.org/ ) |
| 21:54.55 | JeffM | "The GGZ project makes free online gaming possible." little much on that statement isn't it? ;) |
| 21:55.17 | JeffM | is it some kind of matchmaking thing? |
| 21:55.27 | Constitution | rofl |
| 21:56.29 | brlcad | they invented teh intarweb?! |
| 21:56.39 | JeffM | I'd be interetested in what there idea is |
| 21:56.50 | JeffM | it would have to directly relate to bz, intead of just ganking a slot |
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| 21:57.47 | JeffM | matchmaking or something like that may not be a bad thing tho |
| 22:01.06 | brlcad | yeah, unrelated to gsoc |
| 22:01.16 | brlcad | they just want to work with us |
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| 22:04.17 | JeffM | ahh |
| 22:04.26 | JeffM | well be interesting to see what they say |
| 22:06.14 | torghul | ...is there a compiled bzworkbench for windows somewhere? |
| 22:06.25 | Constitution | Ride-: https://addons.mozilla.org/en-US/firefox/addon/16 or http://irssi.org/ |
| 22:07.07 | Constitution | torghul: http://my.bzflag.org/bb/viewtopic.php?t=11372 |
| 22:08.00 | torghul | Constitution: thanks |
| 22:08.06 | Constitution | np |
| 22:09.20 | Ride- | Constitution: yes that |
| 22:18.05 | Winny | Ride-: or xchat |
| 22:19.11 | Ride- | what is xchat |
| 22:19.20 | Winny | an IRC client |
| 22:19.25 | Winny | google is your friend |
| 22:19.30 | Winny | You'll want x-chat2 |
| 22:19.34 | Winny | it's the free version |
| 22:19.40 | JeffM | google is friend to all |
| 22:20.21 | Ride- | nah i like www.www.com better lol |
| 22:20.49 | Winny | heh |
| 22:20.59 | JeffM | that fact does not change the fact that google is still your friend ;) |
| 22:21.25 | Ride- | yes but www.www.com is my best friend google is in 2nd place |
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| 22:21.37 | Ride- | hahah |
| 22:22.10 | JeffM | I did not say that you were google's friend, but that it was yours ;) |
| 22:22.25 | Think_Differentl | <PROTECTED> |
| 22:22.38 | Ride- | oh yes it does |
| 22:22.38 | Think_Differentl | whenever I search for something I keep getting Auto Loans and Free Credit Reports |
| 22:22.49 | Ride- | never doubts www.com |
| 22:22.57 | Ride- | lol |
| 22:23.01 | Winny | Ride-: this is an IRC client: http://bzfusion.net/kyle/IRC2.jpg |
| 22:23.04 | Ride- | you need to believe |
| 22:23.16 | Ride- | for it to work for you |
| 22:23.25 | JeffM | Ride-, basicly the web interface to IRC sucks, everyone wants you to get a real IRC client and stop reconnecting |
| 22:23.31 | Ride- | kind of like peteranswers.com |
| 22:23.40 | JeffM | but they dont' seem to come out and say it |
| 22:23.44 | Ride- | www.peteranswers.com |
| 22:23.46 | Winny | Ride-: we don't care about random websites, sorry |
| 22:24.47 | Ride- | do you guys know how peteranswers works |
| 22:24.53 | JeffM | we don't realy care |
| 22:25.07 | JeffM | that wasn't the point of the inital comment |
| 22:25.13 | Ride- | fine |
| 22:25.13 | JeffM | please get a real IRC client |
| 22:25.18 | Ride- | www.com rule |
| 22:25.22 | Ride- | *rules |
| 22:25.28 | Winny | dude |
| 22:25.30 | Ride- | im working on it |
| 22:29.00 | Winny | Perhaps this will be useful: http://www.irchelp.org/ |
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| 22:31.16 | Winny | whee |
| 22:33.45 | Winny | something tells me he's not getting a real IRC client |
| 22:34.00 | JeffM | whatever |
| 22:34.04 | JeffM | he maters little to not |
| 22:34.45 | Winny | gets annoyed with him connecting every hour and asking for random things.. which could be anwsered by the wiki, or the forum... |
| 22:38.07 | JeffM | then add him to your ignore |
| 22:39.33 | Winny | already did :) |
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| 22:47.40 | jftsang | Ride-, I added you to JFTSANG.ADMIN |
| 22:48.00 | JeffM | good lord... why? |
| 22:48.04 | jftsang | oh, he's gone |
| 22:48.19 | jftsang | JeffM, because nob |
| 22:48.27 | jftsang | because nobody actually goes on that server anyway |
| 22:48.32 | JeffM | hah |
| 22:49.30 | ts | I remember at viper we had a player always asking to have admin righs..we made him "supercop". There was no additional perm but the funny group name. :) |
| 22:51.07 | Constitution | lol |
| 22:53.13 | Winny | hehe |
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| 23:03.01 | Constitution | old topic resurrection: http://my.bzflag.org/bb/viewtopic.php?p=122169#122169 |
| 23:03.22 | JeffM | gets a shotgun |
| 23:03.27 | Winny | hides |
| 23:03.45 | JeffM | why would you hide? |
| 23:03.47 | JeffM | are you ride? |
| 23:03.51 | JeffM | is this all a joke? |
| 23:03.56 | Winny | You're jeff, and you have a shotgun |
| 23:04.03 | Winny | I think that anwsers itself ;) |
| 23:04.19 | Erroneous | he only shoots trolls and zombies |
| 23:04.26 | JeffM | prefers the P90 |
| 23:05.00 | JeffM | tho a remington 990 with explosive deer slug has shown to be rather efective as Erroneous can attest to |
| 23:05.23 | Winny | wonders if JeffM is actually Dick Cheney |
| 23:05.41 | JeffM | no, when he shoots people they live, and don't even sue |
| 23:05.48 | Winny | I see |
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| 23:07.12 | JeffM | hey I do 8P with that gun, and roll 14 dice |
| 23:08.30 | JeffM | it ain't no mana bolt, but at least I can do it twice per action phase |
| 23:09.18 | JeffM | and at least I can get shot and not cry |
| 23:09.30 | Winny | Can we test this theroy? |
| 23:09.39 | JeffM | did last week |
| 23:09.49 | JeffM | armor bumped it to the stun track |
| 23:09.57 | JeffM | and high pain tolernace made it just an "owwie" |
| 23:10.16 | JeffM | in Erroneous's case I've seen him get one shoted |
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| 23:11.01 | IceWewe | I'm not here to make trouble |
| 23:11.28 | IceWewe | I'm just here to frcking school ride when his dumba$$ shows up again |
| 23:11.33 | IceWewe | at least give me this pleasure |
| 23:12.51 | JeffM | Constitution, you figure out what you are going to apply for? |
| 23:14.55 | Constitution | JeffM: likely an authentication system |
| 23:15.02 | JeffM | mmmmm :) |
| 23:15.06 | JeffM | cool |
| 23:15.34 | Constitution | was looking over the bzauthd wiki page |
| 23:16.13 | JeffM | my only requirements are end user stuff, and web based managment :) |
| 23:16.38 | JeffM | the big one being a seperaation between "can play" and "can post" |
| 23:17.00 | Constitution | the issue(s) that this would address would be speed, reliability/replication, and load distribution... any others? |
| 23:17.15 | JeffM | management would be my thing |
| 23:17.21 | JeffM | but yeah those are the big things |
| 23:17.35 | Winny | Was blast007 the one working on a noded list server? I don't remember |
| 23:17.50 | Constitution | well, a management interface could be tooled into the current system, even |
| 23:18.12 | JeffM | Constitution, sine it's tied to phpbb there is stuff I can't do with the current system |
| 23:18.19 | JeffM | like make someone not play, but still post |
| 23:18.34 | JeffM | or specificly not play but get PMs |
| 23:18.35 | L4m3r | can't masterban do that? |
| 23:18.45 | JeffM | L4m3r, not for dynamis |
| 23:18.50 | JeffM | I mean can't auth |
| 23:18.55 | JeffM | disable list auth |
| 23:18.56 | L4m3r | oh, I see... a per-account basis |
| 23:18.59 | JeffM | but still use the login for other stuff |
| 23:19.00 | JeffM | yes |
| 23:19.03 | Constitution | a one-column addition to the user table and a small change to bzfls could do that |
| 23:19.08 | JeffM | Constitution, perhaps |
| 23:19.12 | L4m3r | or a script hack |
| 23:19.13 | JeffM | but it' still not optimal |
| 23:19.17 | Constitution | right, okay |
| 23:19.30 | L4m3r | I think the key with bzauthd is abstraction of auth from anything else, first and foremost |
| 23:20.05 | L4m3r | well, really, abstraction is the whole thing. make the services as modular as possible :) |
| 23:20.14 | [dmp] | would bzauthd replace the (future?) ldap service? or how would they be related? |
| 23:20.37 | L4m3r | bzauthd would tie into ldap |
| 23:20.37 | Constitution | bzauthd would be the interface... ldap would be the storage |
| 23:21.03 | L4m3r | it would be in between the list and ldap, right? |
| 23:21.12 | L4m3r | (and maybe weblogin.php) |
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| 23:21.47 | Constitution | looks like under the current plan bzauthd will talk to the clients directly |
| 23:22.13 | L4m3r | ah |
| 23:22.22 | Constitution | looking at http://my.bzflag.org/w/BZAuthd |
| 23:22.27 | [dmp] | and phpbb would be using what? ldap? |
| 23:22.39 | L4m3r | yup |
| 23:23.33 | Constitution | bzauthd would interface with the clients, servers, and services... so basically it's the gatekeeper to the data, looks like |
| 23:23.48 | Constitution | except for the web services which talk directly to ldap, yes |
| 23:23.56 | [dmp] | reads the wiki :) |
| 23:24.04 | L4m3r | well, really, any web service could easily talk to ldap |
| 23:24.19 | L4m3r | I see bzauthd as a gatekeeper for any kind of auth that uses tokens |
| 23:24.37 | L4m3r | so, clients, servers, and probably weblogin |
| 23:28.03 | L4m3r | having one large auth daemon that acts as an intermediary between everything and ldap seems unnecessary to me |
| 23:29.52 | Constitution | looks like it would be essentially an enhanced bzfls |
| 23:30.12 | L4m3r | not really |
| 23:30.26 | L4m3r | it'd be the auth layer for the list |
| 23:31.08 | Constitution | hmm, I guess |
| 23:31.32 | L4m3r | I mean, it's a nice idea to have a universal auth layer |
| 23:31.52 | L4m3r | that'd allow us to swap out the underlying system (ldap) with whatever else, without too much hassle |
| 23:32.05 | L4m3r | but afaik phpBB3 will already talk to ldap directly |
| 23:32.23 | L4m3r | so doing that completely would require some modding of phpBB |
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| 23:35.05 | Constitution | auth plugins for phpbb3 aren't difficult to create |
| 23:35.28 | L4m3r | sure... but it's still more work :P |
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| 23:35.43 | L4m3r | there would be more to do on both ends |
| 23:35.45 | andrecastelo | hey guys |
| 23:35.51 | andrecastelo | are you anxious to GSoC ? |
| 23:36.00 | andrecastelo | congratulations on being selected ;D |
| 23:36.03 | L4m3r | why would we be? |
| 23:36.10 | Constitution | right... no need for a custom auth plugin when it can talk directly to LDAP with greater effeciency |
| 23:36.18 | L4m3r | exactly |
| 23:36.27 | L4m3r | not to mention you'd also have to extend bzauthd |
| 23:36.55 | L4m3r | so overall, I just don't think it justifies the effort... but I don't know who did the bzauthd page, so I can't say what they have in mind |
| 23:38.20 | Constitution | I don't think that having bzauthd be the interface to the bzbb, wiki, or drupal was ever the plan |
| 23:38.32 | L4m3r | yeah |
| 23:38.33 | Constitution | and whatever other web services we end up with |
| 23:39.16 | spldart | when does the GSoC hit the fan anyway? ;-P |
| 23:39.16 | L4m3r | the way I see it, bzauthd would be for any kind of client that cannot be trusted... ie needs a token :) |
| 23:39.42 | L4m3r | so aside from the weblogin, any web services ideally would interface with ldap instead |
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| 23:43.02 | Constitution | one other question would be, in the case of the LDAP master failure, why not have the associated bzauthd fail too (sending the client over to a different bzauthd) rather than querying the LDAP replicants and caching the data |
| 23:43.47 | Constitution | although I suppose keeping the internals of the system invisible to the client is the ideal behavior |
| 23:48.05 | blast007 | Winny: no, I wasn't working on a noded list server |
| 23:48.16 | Winny | blast007: ah, k |
| 23:48.24 | blast007 | I was working on a rewrite of the list server. Basically a drop in replacement that didn't suck. |
| 23:49.22 | JeffM | I don't recall anyone working on a ndeded one |
| 23:49.26 | JeffM | noded |
| 23:49.39 | blast007 | yeah |
| 23:49.40 | Winny | must have been someone thinking about it, then |
| 23:49.51 | JeffM | it has been thought about many time |
| 23:50.32 | blast007 | mine could easily support more nodes though |
| 23:50.34 | L4m3r | I think redundant would be better than noded |
| 23:50.45 | blast007 | since there is a data layer you could replace |
| 23:50.51 | blast007 | L4m3r: isn't that the same thing? |
| 23:50.57 | L4m3r | oh |
| 23:50.58 | JeffM | blast007, no |
| 23:51.10 | JeffM | noded woudl mean you have a network of active nodes all sharing info |
| 23:51.15 | JeffM | all active at the same time |
| 23:51.28 | L4m3r | though a noded system would allow clients to add their own nodes for custom lists |
| 23:51.28 | JeffM | simple redundancy is if one fails, fallback |
| 23:51.38 | L4m3r | er |
| 23:51.41 | JeffM | think of it like the diff beween IRC and mail MX records. |
| 23:51.44 | L4m3r | I thought that noded meant distributed |
| 23:51.50 | JeffM | L4m3r, it does |
| 23:52.02 | JeffM | IRC is noded |
| 23:52.06 | L4m3r | as in, no one server has all the data |
| 23:52.21 | JeffM | L4m3r, well you'd keep a copy on all of em |
| 23:52.29 | L4m3r | yeah, ok |
| 23:52.31 | JeffM | you can still be noded and do that |
| 23:52.41 | JeffM | but nodes iimply that all are active at one time |
| 23:52.47 | L4m3r | but now that I think of it, it'd be nice to be able to interface with multiple lists in the client |
| 23:52.52 | JeffM | where simple redunacny has a main, and a backup |
| 23:53.03 | blast007 | meh |
| 23:53.08 | JeffM | the backup is not used untill the main is gone |
| 23:53.10 | blast007 | RAID 1 is "redundancy" as well |
| 23:53.14 | blast007 | doesn't mean that only one is in use |
| 23:53.27 | JeffM | sure there are ways to get redundancy out of nodes ;) |
| 23:53.50 | JeffM | but you can only get that if you have more then one copy of the data |
| 23:54.28 | blast007 | which we would be |
| 23:54.50 | blast007 | since the list does auth right now, we pretty much need a copy of the data |
| 23:55.20 | blast007 | guess we'll see if 3.0 does that differently |
| 23:55.44 | blast007 | depends if someone does the auth stuff for GSoC, or the main devs get bored ;) |
| 23:56.26 | L4m3r | goes to work |
| 23:56.57 | JeffM | a side dev could get bored too ;) |
| 23:57.50 | Constitution | how would bzfls fit in with bzauthd? the auth daemon do the list as well? if not, would servers have to talk to both bzauthd and bzfls? |
| 23:57.51 | blast007 | k, so s/main devs/any dev(s)/ |
| 23:57.58 | JeffM | or patchers ;) |
| 23:58.16 | JeffM | Constitution, we do it in the list now because everyone already talks to the list |
| 23:58.23 | JeffM | so it makes sense to piggy back |
| 23:58.32 | blast007 | we also do it in the list since we have -advertise |
| 23:58.47 | JeffM | well all that means is the list is an auth client too |
| 23:58.50 | JeffM | but yea |
| 23:58.55 | blast007 | though we could do an auth token per list view, and send the token to the list |
| 23:58.55 | JeffM | the list needs the credentials too |
| 23:59.04 | blast007 | and then have the list check that token via the auth system |
| 23:59.09 | JeffM | it's simple to do it with one token by using the list for auth |
| 23:59.19 | JeffM | seperate it gets more complex |
| 23:59.35 | JeffM | but it may not be too bad, that would be part of the research you'd have to do |
| 23:59.47 | Constitution | ok |
| 23:59.49 | blast007 | yeah, shouldn't be that bad |
