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| 00:46.08 | QuantumTim | Ebert: Fancy a 3v3 NSA fm? |
| 00:49.38 | JeffM | never gonna give you up.. |
| 00:49.47 | Winny | that's kinda creepy |
| 00:49.52 | Winny | ;) |
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| 01:41.41 | Constitution | ~Winny++ |
| 01:43.16 | Winny | \o/ |
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| 01:48.59 | knoxcorner | How do you switch chat channels? |
| 01:49.06 | whodaman | Get a real client |
| 01:49.23 | Winny | IE: not CGI IRC |
| 01:49.35 | Winny | you can type /join #channel though |
| 01:49.37 | whodaman | which is what your using right now |
| 01:49.43 | knoxcorner | Thanks winny |
| 01:49.46 | Winny | it might let you into the other ones on the access list |
| 01:49.54 | Winny | although I don't believe you have access to all of them |
| 01:50.29 | knoxcorner | I can't get in |
| 01:50.39 | knoxcorner | Well, I'll ask here |
| 01:50.55 | knoxcorner | I cant get in to planet MOFO |
| 01:51.27 | whodaman | Get a real client |
| 01:51.31 | JeffM | knoxcorner, you can't do it with the web interface |
| 01:51.46 | JeffM | the web IRC is limted to specific channels |
| 01:52.58 | knoxcorner | but I cant spawn, see textures, see other players, get chat or anything |
| 01:53.14 | whodaman | huh? |
| 01:53.20 | JeffM | he has issues on mofo |
| 01:53.25 | JeffM | and isn't a very clear communicator |
| 01:53.29 | Winny | oh, in the game, heh |
| 01:53.32 | JeffM | yeah |
| 01:53.33 | whodaman | Oh |
| 01:53.40 | whodaman | Your in the COPPA group? |
| 01:53.48 | JeffM | knoxcorner, are you under 13? |
| 01:53.55 | whodaman | They don't allow players that are in the COPPA group, if that's the problem |
| 01:54.40 | Winny | oh dear.. http://my.bzflag.org/bb/viewtopic.php?p=121872#121872 |
| 01:56.07 | whodaman | eh |
| 01:56.29 | Winny | oh good, someone deleted them |
| 01:57.28 | JeffM | well someone thinks you are just as bad as he is |
| 01:57.59 | Winny | For explaining things to him? Well sorry. |
| 01:58.06 | Winny | Ill do my best to not explain things to people |
| 01:58.18 | Constitution | knoxcorner: I've received many private messages from you over the last few weeks... may I help you with something? |
| 01:58.22 | whodaman | Your quite good at it |
| 01:59.51 | JeffM | Constitution, he likes spaming people till he gets answer |
| 02:00.07 | Constitution | I see |
| 02:00.12 | Winny | yep |
| 02:00.21 | whodaman | reminds me of Winny |
| 02:00.22 | whodaman | :p |
| 02:00.30 | Winny | heh |
| 02:00.37 | whodaman | \o/ |
| 02:00.46 | JeffM | be nice |
| 02:01.02 | Winny | You were the one that said he spams people.. not me |
| 02:01.19 | JeffM | yes, but whoting when he is gone is petty :) |
| 02:01.43 | Winny | hehe |
| 02:01.49 | whodaman | I was just kidding |
| 02:01.53 | JeffM | sure you were |
| 02:02.12 | whodaman | .. |
| 02:04.02 | JeffM | he probably mant driver |
| 02:04.08 | JeffM | aka card |
| 02:04.23 | JeffM | I would also doubt his FPS reports by a factor of 10 |
| 02:05.07 | Winny | yeah, I was wondering about the 2100 myself.. I doubt anything under a 9800 GX2 could do that |
| 02:05.45 | JeffM | it would be hard for the CPU to keep that up |
| 02:05.50 | JeffM | diminishing returns and all |
| 02:08.02 | JeffM | I'm not sure the PCIe bus could even keep that up |
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| 02:40.18 | Lukstr | any devs around? |
| 02:40.30 | KTL | just ask your question :) |
| 02:40.32 | JeffM | for? |
| 02:41.13 | Lukstr | SoC questions |
| 02:41.14 | Lukstr | :P |
| 02:41.31 | JeffM | a number of our mentors will not be "devs" but they can still help |
| 02:41.36 | JeffM | so ask anyway |
| 02:41.44 | Lukstr | the dead reckoning & other network enhancements interests me quite a bit |
| 02:41.53 | JeffM | k |
| 02:41.58 | Lukstr | but I'm afraid it could turn into something overwhelming |
| 02:42.00 | Lukstr | which is bad |
| 02:42.04 | JeffM | indeed |
| 02:42.17 | JeffM | that's why you research exactyly what you want to do before hand |
| 02:42.24 | Lukstr | which is what I'm doing |
| 02:42.26 | Lukstr | right now :) |
| 02:42.48 | Lukstr | I'm reading the papers on dead reckoning |
| 02:43.06 | JeffM | cool |
| 02:43.30 | Lukstr | but I'm interested in what you think about how much work it is |
| 02:43.42 | JeffM | depends on exactly what you want to do |
| 02:44.32 | JeffM | just DR enhancments would not be too hard |
| 02:44.35 | JeffM | that's just some logic |
| 02:44.38 | JeffM | since we have DR now |
| 02:44.46 | JeffM | unless it's very complex DR |
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| 02:45.07 | JeffM | as for "network enhancments" it wold dpend on what you mean by that |
| 02:45.28 | Lukstr | interesting. Who wrote the white paper for DR on the ibm site? |
| 02:45.33 | blast007 | JeffM: maybe Pizza Boy was running at 320x240 to get that FPS ;) |
| 02:45.54 | JeffM | blast007, even then I don't thin it can send card commands that fast ;) |
| 02:46.03 | blast007 | I've hit 1300FPS |
| 02:46.10 | JeffM | Lukstr, I dunno... we don't know random things off the top of our head |
| 02:46.17 | blast007 | not my usual FPS, but I've seen it |
| 02:46.31 | blast007 | and my CPU is the low end of the C2D |
| 02:46.33 | JeffM | blast007, I would doubt it's a valid check at thatpoint, cus you'd run into float issues. |
| 02:46.40 | Lukstr | and JeffM: I asked because they refer to implementing it in BZflag thus I assumed they might be developers? |
| 02:46.42 | blast007 | hmm |
| 02:46.54 | JeffM | Lukstr, a couple people have used bzflag as a sample |
| 02:46.57 | JeffM | not devs |
| 02:46.58 | JeffM | but others |
| 02:47.02 | Lukstr | JeffM: ah |
| 02:47.11 | JeffM | it's needs are very simple |
| 02:47.19 | JeffM | as is it's networking |
| 02:47.28 | JeffM | our message system is prety much textbook |
| 02:48.59 | Lukstr | I also like the idea of factoring out the game logic code |
| 02:49.11 | JeffM | that is a good thing to have done :) |
| 02:49.17 | JeffM | you'd not be the only one working on it |
| 02:49.19 | JeffM | but it's a good thing |
| 02:49.19 | Lukstr | I think so too :) |
| 02:49.36 | Lukstr | Is there a lot to be done? |
| 02:49.41 | JeffM | yes |
| 02:49.45 | Lukstr | sounds good |
| 02:49.52 | JeffM | and others will work on it as well |
| 02:50.25 | JeffM | it's a general effort thing |
| 02:50.25 | JeffM | we all need to be ok with the the structure when it's done |
| 02:50.45 | Lukstr | of course |
| 02:51.15 | Lukstr | I wonder if a feature to join games via a link with a special protocol, i.e. bzflags://someserver |
| 02:51.30 | JeffM | some have wanted that |
| 02:51.38 | JeffM | don't think it's a 3month job |
| 02:51.49 | JeffM | and id' be interesting to cross platform support |
| 02:52.08 | Lukstr | what, cross platform support for that sort of protocl? |
| 02:52.13 | Lukstr | it would be interesting |
| 02:52.13 | JeffM | yeah |
| 02:52.21 | Lukstr | I know the guys at thousand parsec do it |
| 02:52.24 | JeffM | dunno how they work and all but I'm sure it can't be a slam dunk |
| 02:52.31 | JeffM | yeah I'm sure they do |
| 02:52.39 | JeffM | but they may also fire off a java or web client |
| 02:52.45 | Lukstr | nope |
| 02:52.49 | Lukstr | you click tps://someserver |
| 02:52.55 | Lukstr | and the installed python client requests to start |
| 02:53.01 | JeffM | personaly I don't think that many people would use it |
| 02:53.06 | JeffM | since we have a game listing system allready |
| 02:53.08 | JeffM | in game |
| 02:53.11 | JeffM | and we only have one game |
| 02:53.12 | Lukstr | true but that's in game |
| 02:53.14 | JeffM | where they have many |
| 02:53.31 | Lukstr | then you could join games via IRC |
| 02:53.32 | Lukstr | :P |
| 02:53.35 | JeffM | but it could be usefull for a web based friends system, or a stats site |
| 02:53.55 | JeffM | it'd not be high on my personal list of things, but it's not the worst idea I've heard |
| 02:54.21 | Lukstr | Well I'll look into implementing it and if it's feasable make that one of my applications |
| 02:54.51 | JeffM | how many do you plan on sumbiting? |
| 02:55.25 | Lukstr | two or three |
| 02:56.06 | JeffM | just so you know, we'll look at more detailed proposals a lot better then others |
| 02:56.15 | Lukstr | I know |
| 02:56.24 | Lukstr | but I have a few ideas that do not combine well into each other |
| 02:56.45 | JeffM | fair nuf |
| 02:56.48 | Lukstr | I do not plan on skimping on details ;) |
| 02:57.00 | Lukstr | besides, all I have is free time for a few weeks |
| 02:57.11 | JeffM | your school is out? |
| 02:58.06 | Lukstr | nope |
| 02:58.10 | Lukstr | lull in assignments |
| 02:58.14 | Lukstr | till end of march |
| 02:58.17 | JeffM | fun |
| 02:59.03 | JeffM | hopefully we'll apply to SoC soon so we can be accepted :) |
| 02:59.05 | Lukstr | Apparently it's like 20~ lines of C++ code and registry entries for windows (the protocol thing) |
| 02:59.09 | Lukstr | JeffM: :) |
| 02:59.36 | JeffM | well you'd have to get the registry entries setup then too |
| 02:59.43 | JeffM | and allow for multiple clients, etc.. |
| 02:59.44 | blast007 | I screwed around with the protocol thing myself a while back |
| 03:00.02 | blast007 | almost got it, but I couldn't get it to find the data files, so it would never launch |
| 03:00.25 | JeffM | yeah probably dosn't like not having the working dir set |
| 03:00.38 | JeffM | we could make the app better at finding them |
| 03:00.45 | JeffM | or set the cwd on startup or something |
| 03:01.03 | JeffM | or use a patcher/laucher that does that |
| 03:02.36 | Lukstr | aww he's gone |
| 03:03.17 | spldart | Prolly back in a sec |
| 03:04.46 | Lukstr | yup |
| 03:05.13 | DTRemenak | more like 15 mins, he probably just went home |
| 03:05.48 | Lukstr | hah |
| 03:05.53 | spldart | Guess I"m used to those hiccups where he's out for a minute... But it is commute time in out west isn't it |
| 03:06.24 | DTRemenak | it's 7 here |
| 03:06.37 | DTRemenak | so after normal commute time, but fairly normal for us |
| 03:06.44 | spldart | ... for workaholics ;-p |
| 03:06.54 | DTRemenak | or those who go to work late ;) |
| 03:07.09 | Lukstr | heh |
| 03:07.22 | spldart | How late? My employer doesn't even open till 9 :) |
| 03:07.28 | Lukstr | How different is your installer across platforms? |
| 03:07.37 | DTRemenak | we only have an installer on windows |
| 03:08.10 | spldart | linux is, use pre-compile package or get source and build yourself |
| 03:08.12 | DTRemenak | on linux, it's normally packaged by the distribution. we keep debian package definitions and rpm specfiles up to date |
| 03:08.25 | DTRemenak | mac is distributed by disc image (dmg) |
| 03:08.33 | Lukstr | hm |
| 03:09.09 | DTRemenak | other unix platforms tend to build from source, though we do have irix packaging materials available also |
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| 03:10.10 | spldart | Spleaking of build from source... Gah my gameserver is ssllooww |
| 03:10.35 | Lukstr | I was just thinking it's easily do able to set up URIs for Windows, Unix and Macs, but a universal one seems a bit hard |
| 03:10.57 | Lukstr | It would most definitely have to be a per-platform implementation |
| 03:11.33 | Lukstr | I guess I could have the install scripts for whatever platform do it |
| 03:11.45 | Lukstr | assuming you're not running a completely pre-built standalone binary |
| 03:12.05 | DTRemenak | something like that is platform specific, doesn't need to be universal |
| 03:12.45 | Lukstr | yeah |
| 03:12.49 | DTRemenak | the only platform that you can assume it's safe to use the installer to do anything is on windows, though |
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| 03:12.54 | Lukstr | right |
| 03:13.01 | whodaman- | ah, hi Legolas_ |
| 03:13.06 | Legolas_ | Hello |
| 03:13.07 | Lukstr | well all the *nix ones use a make/configure combo, don't they? |
| 03:13.31 | KTL | autogent configure make :) |
| 03:13.47 | Lukstr | exactly, so there's at least some scripting going on |
| 03:14.05 | Lukstr | you could have make execute the "register URI" script or similar |
| 03:14.07 | DTRemenak | there are a number of binary packages shipped too |
| 03:14.15 | Lukstr | hmm |
| 03:14.18 | DTRemenak | so you'd need to integrate it for .deb and .rpm at least |
| 03:14.32 | Lukstr | that's fine |
| 03:14.34 | DTRemenak | the others are relatively unimportant, I suppose |
| 03:14.39 | Lukstr | as long as they're all somehow "installed" more or less |
| 03:14.45 | Lukstr | not just download and run immediately |
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| 03:14.54 | Lukstr | wb JeffM |
| 03:15.05 | DTRemenak | the mac distribution is an appfolder on a disk image, so no installation there |
| 03:15.16 | Lukstr | hmm |
| 03:15.17 | JeffM | it's dragtastic |
| 03:15.25 | JeffM | mmmmmm greek pizza |
| 03:15.51 | JeffM | need anything from frys if I go tomorow DTRemenak ? |
| 03:16.20 | DTRemenak | mmm, don't think so |
| 03:16.39 | JeffM | corsair ram is down to 44$ for 2 gigs |
| 03:16.53 | JeffM | and my desktop only has 2 |
| 03:17.10 | DTRemenak | heh, only 2 gigs |
| 03:17.17 | JeffM | yeah isn't that sad? |
| 03:17.36 | JeffM | I can run out doing renderings |
| 03:17.38 | JeffM | or hit swap |
| 03:17.39 | blast007 | heh... I just fired up an old 486DX at work... it had 8MB ;) |
| 03:17.41 | DTRemenak | my machines here are 2gb and 1gb |
| 03:17.52 | Lukstr | JeffM: what speed/ratings is the ram? |
| 03:17.57 | DTRemenak | and they'll probably stay that way, since they're both DDR |
| 03:17.58 | spldart | ram is that cheap! |
| 03:18.00 | JeffM | PC6400 |
| 03:18.04 | JeffM | spldart, yeah |
| 03:18.10 | Lukstr | hm |
| 03:18.15 | JeffM | spldart, got the lapy up to 4 gigs for under 70$ |
| 03:18.24 | spldart | That's it! I'm just buying it and passing the reciept to the manager and not even asking the boss. |
| 03:18.26 | Lukstr | JeffM: running a 64 bit OS? |
| 03:18.43 | JeffM | if patriot didn't suck so bad I'd get 4 gigs and have 6 |
| 03:18.46 | JeffM | not yet |
| 03:18.51 | JeffM | on the 64 bit OS |
| 03:19.11 | blast007 | online I see 2x2GB Corsair PC6400 for $85 after rebate |
| 03:19.27 | Lukstr | JeffM: a shame you can't use all the RAM, eh? |
| 03:19.34 | Lukstr | silly 32-bit address space |
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| 03:19.43 | JeffM | Lukstr, I'll use some of it, and that's fine by me |
| 03:19.57 | Lukstr | if only my memory card didn't eat the space |
| 03:19.57 | JeffM | I'll end up with like 3.25 to 3.5 gigs |
| 03:20.03 | Lukstr | yeah that's what I've got going |
| 03:20.03 | JeffM | and that's better then 2 gigs |
| 03:20.04 | Lukstr | right now |
| 03:20.15 | JeffM | I am well aware of how memory works in PCs ;) |
| 03:20.29 | Lukstr | It's run being able to alt-tab between Photoshop, Auto cad, Firefox with a bajillion tabs and TF2 |
| 03:20.39 | Lukstr | JeffM: I believe you |
| 03:20.45 | JeffM | blast007, hit LAtimes.com |
| 03:20.49 | Lukstr | JeffM: just you know, making sure you were running a 64 bit OS :P |
| 03:20.51 | JeffM | then newspaper adds on the left side |
| 03:20.55 | a_meteorite | you don't even have to believe JeffM, just listen :) |
| 03:20.58 | JeffM | Lukstr, I am not |
| 03:21.03 | Lukstr | JeffM: you use windows mostly? |
| 03:21.04 | JeffM | at work I am |
| 03:21.06 | JeffM | indeed |
| 03:21.07 | blast007 | JeffM: doesn't do me any good ;) |
| 03:21.11 | blast007 | I was just saying |
| 03:21.16 | JeffM | blast007, I know |
| 03:21.44 | JeffM | the ram actualy rebates down to 28$ if you go in for that kinda stuff |
| 03:22.20 | JeffM | at some point I'll swap to XP64 at home, but figure I best get the ram when it hits bottom |
| 03:22.23 | JeffM | instead of when it's old |
| 03:22.31 | Lukstr | XP64 is such a mess :( |
| 03:22.36 | JeffM | not really |
| 03:22.42 | JeffM | I use it at work every day |
| 03:22.46 | Lukstr | I see no advantages to using it :/ |
| 03:22.52 | blast007 | Lukstr: RAM :P |
| 03:23.05 | spldart | heh |
| 03:23.10 | JeffM | the 2.0.10 binaries were built on XP 64 ;) |
| 03:23.19 | Lukstr | hah |
| 03:23.25 | Lukstr | there's not enough support for it |
| 03:23.42 | JeffM | drivers can be an issue but it's not that bad |
| 03:23.46 | Lukstr | and now since Microsoft abandoned it it's going down hill |
| 03:23.49 | JeffM | all depends how much crap you install on your machine |
| 03:24.14 | Lukstr | last time I tried using it a lot of applications critical to me didn't work |
| 03:24.25 | JeffM | like? |
| 03:24.58 | Lukstr | I don't remember specifically; some network tunneling apps didn't work, |
| 03:25.10 | Lukstr | I use some pretty obscure stuff on occasion |
| 03:25.16 | JeffM | fun |
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| 03:25.38 | Lukstr | I'll stick with 32 bit for now I guess |
| 03:25.39 | Lukstr | hah |
| 03:27.02 | Lukstr | So is there any straightforward way to add a script for Mac clients to be run before they first start the game? |
| 03:27.13 | Lukstr | i.e. tie into the DMG or something? |
| 03:27.22 | JeffM | probably not |
| 03:27.27 | JeffM | apple uses the installer for that |
| 03:27.38 | JeffM | but I would think you could run it on the first run of the app |
| 03:27.39 | Winny | as in, each time they run the game? |
| 03:27.49 | JeffM | so that it would set them up for next time |
| 03:27.59 | Lukstr | JeffM: That's a worst-case scenario |
| 03:28.02 | Lukstr | imo |
| 03:28.08 | Lukstr | brb |
| 03:28.10 | JeffM | no worst case is to run a tool manualy |
| 03:28.40 | blast007 | or have a launcher fire up the first time, and have that register it |
| 03:28.57 | JeffM | if we write the launcher, it can just be the game |
| 03:29.19 | JeffM | proalby not a bad idea to have it in the game, that way if the app moves, it'll rereg to the current location |
| 03:29.27 | JeffM | or if you have more then one, it'll have the last one reged |
| 03:30.00 | Lukstr | true |
| 03:30.26 | DTRemenak | we already do a similar things on launch (on windows anyway) |
| 03:30.32 | Lukstr | at least just have it notify you if it's not currently registered, and would you like it to, and if not ignore future queries |
| 03:30.32 | JeffM | for xfire |
| 03:30.53 | JeffM | Lukstr, I'd reg every time, unless a config item was present |
| 03:31.02 | Lukstr | Well in the case of two clients |
| 03:31.03 | JeffM | the majority of the people will want the last one run |
| 03:31.08 | Lukstr | and you want one to be registered |
| 03:31.14 | Lukstr | like Firefox vs. IE for example |
| 03:31.43 | JeffM | perhaps, but that is a much more general app |
| 03:31.50 | JeffM | all the versions will be ours |
| 03:32.02 | Lukstr | JeffM: in that case, I agree |
| 03:32.13 | JeffM | a dev may not want to reg the dev version, so have them throw a config item to disable |
| 03:32.21 | Lukstr | that's a wise idea |
| 03:32.24 | JeffM | just like we disable iconifcy on focus lost |
| 03:32.43 | JeffM | do you own a macintosh/ |
| 03:32.45 | JeffM | ? |
| 03:32.48 | Lukstr | Nope |
| 03:32.58 | Lukstr | So testing it would be interesting |
| 03:33.05 | JeffM | so you would be unable to test or debug that portion |
| 03:33.10 | Lukstr | I'm sure I could find a friend or someone |
| 03:33.11 | JeffM | be sure to mention your plan for that |
| 03:33.24 | Lukstr | I would of course test it somehow |
| 03:33.31 | whodaman- | ~AHA++ |
| 03:33.45 | DTRemenak | "coerce a member of the community who has a mac into testing it" is a good plan too...that's what we usually do when we have to change mac stuff |
| 03:33.49 | Lukstr | could always install OSX |
| 03:34.02 | Lukstr | DTRemenak: I was thinking something along those lines |
| 03:34.07 | JeffM | we generaly don't talk about stealing software here |
| 03:34.18 | Lukstr | JeffM: who said stealing? |
| 03:34.27 | JeffM | or violating a license ;) |
| 03:34.36 | Lukstr | I'm pretty sure you don't violate it |
| 03:34.42 | JeffM | I'm prety sure you do |
| 03:34.52 | DTRemenak | it is against the osx license to install it on a non-apple machine |
| 03:34.54 | JeffM | if you don't own a mac, you don't own OSX |
| 03:35.12 | DTRemenak | as bizarre as that is |
| 03:35.18 | JeffM | indeed |
| 03:35.33 | Lukstr | well I have friends who own macs |
| 03:35.38 | Lukstr | so they could do it, regardless |
| 03:35.41 | Lukstr | not a huge issue |
| 03:35.44 | Lukstr | in my eyes |
| 03:35.46 | JeffM | I'm just saying be sure to mention your plan, that's all |
| 03:35.54 | Lukstr | sure thing |
| 03:36.07 | Lukstr | think it's a worty idea? |
| 03:36.12 | Lukstr | s/worty/worthy/ |
| 03:36.31 | JeffM | as I said, I don't think it'd take the full 3 months, and it wold not be high on my list |
| 03:36.50 | Lukstr | JeffM: what about also including a web-server browser? |
| 03:36.51 | JeffM | you should know t hat we only plan on taking 5 maybe 6 proejcts |
| 03:36.55 | DTRemenak | it's a good idea, but not "enough" for an soc proposal. I seriously doubt it'll take anywhere near 480 hours or whatever ;) |
| 03:37.01 | JeffM | Lukstr, in the game? |
| 03:37.01 | Lukstr | yeah I agree |
| 03:37.18 | Lukstr | web-based if you don't already have one |
| 03:37.27 | JeffM | our list server is web based |
| 03:37.36 | JeffM | our stats site lists them |
| 03:37.44 | JeffM | research ;) |
| 03:37.53 | Lukstr | ah |
| 03:38.02 | Lukstr | I was already there before I got my answer :P |
| 03:38.14 | Lukstr | I had a feeling that it may had been on the stats site |
| 03:38.20 | JeffM | the game client is an HTTP client and downloads the list from httpL://db.bzflag.org/db/ |
| 03:39.08 | JeffM | it can also use HTTP to download maps and textures |
| 03:39.24 | Lukstr | cool |
| 03:39.35 | a_meteorite | Lukstr: I have a Mac... but I don't know what you need help with |
| 03:39.51 | Lukstr | a_meteorite: nothing as of any time soon ;) don't worry about it |
| 03:42.05 | brlcad | JeffM: you see the screenshot? |
| 03:42.09 | JeffM | nope |
| 03:42.17 | brlcad | http://bzflag.bz/tmp/alignment.png |
| 03:42.28 | brlcad | i was actually surprised to see it |
| 03:42.40 | brlcad | the original turret actually is properly centered |
| 03:42.49 | JeffM | yeah figured it was |
| 03:42.52 | JeffM | but it looks idd |
| 03:42.53 | JeffM | odd |
| 03:42.56 | JeffM | I can move it back |
| 03:43.02 | JeffM | how doe you like the rest of it? |
| 03:43.07 | brlcad | (your first rev is on right, v4 and v5 going left) |
| 03:43.29 | JeffM | DTRemenak, I merged the back of the turret |
| 03:43.33 | JeffM | so now it's just a bevel |
| 03:43.48 | brlcad | you could try extending the turret platform, the rear |
| 03:43.58 | JeffM | ok I can try that |
| 03:44.03 | brlcad | I like either back-end |
| 03:44.19 | brlcad | there's some character with the gear packs or whatever they are |
| 03:44.20 | JeffM | I'd like to see how a grill looks back there in texture |
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| 03:44.41 | JeffM | yyeah maybe texture in a bundle of rope or something |
| 03:45.17 | JeffM | grrrr all the good UV mapers are comercial |
| 03:45.39 | Lukstr | some jerry cans or something would look sweet on the back of the tank, and explain the explosiveness of them :P |
| 03:45.40 | brlcad | from a top-view, I like the original flat plate behind the gun too, but it's a nit |
| 03:46.03 | JeffM | brlcad, once textured I was going to give the current one a rubber boot |
| 03:46.15 | JeffM | but I can try one of each |
| 03:47.23 | brlcad | the russian t72's were geared with big gas-gans on their rear -- looks awesome but really stupid design from a vulnerability perspective |
| 03:47.57 | Lukstr | brlcad: hehe |
| 03:48.06 | spldart | It allows them to refuel fast with no hand pumping |
| 03:48.30 | spldart | iirc |
| 03:48.52 | JeffM | I didn't want to go overboard with stuff modeled into the tank |
| 03:49.04 | spldart | I think that's a good idea |
| 03:49.07 | JeffM | figure we can attach detals as seperate models later, maybe in experimental |
| 03:49.39 | brlcad | http://my.brlcad.org/OLD/images/t62c.jpg |
| 03:49.52 | JeffM | that's very round |
| 03:49.56 | brlcad | (mislabeled iirc, that is a t72) |
| 03:50.22 | brlcad | t62/t72's are much prettier tanks, gotta give them that |
| 03:50.50 | spldart | Russians have put out some good tanks :) |
| 03:52.38 | Lukstr | and fighter jets |
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| 03:55.09 | spldart | Their jets are allrigth... and were are best competition |
| 03:55.55 | Lukstr | Regarding Network Testing and Simulation Environment: could this be implemented as a plugin or is that impossible? |
| 03:56.08 | Lukstr | I'm currently trying to determine what plugins are capable of |
| 03:58.17 | Lukstr | it seems like it would be impossible, unless I am mistaken |
| 04:12.11 | spldart | Trunk bzfs: Unable to position flags on this world. ??? |
| 04:13.28 | DTRemenak | spldart: it's quite possible that -fb is currently broken, and you have no ground showing in your world |
| 04:14.54 | spldart | hrm |
| 04:15.44 | blast007 | spldart: what map you running? |
| 04:16.25 | blast007 | I've had it happen on metropolis, but I think that's the mesh issue |
| 04:16.32 | blast007 | does it for players too |
| 04:16.37 | blast007 | just drops them in |
| 04:19.52 | spldart | Yep.... floor messed up |
| 04:20.10 | spldart | My WarTowers map.. meshes are just as intangible as Metropolis |
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| 04:25.31 | JeffM | brlcad: are we applicated yet? |
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| 04:28.04 | spldart | ... I'm applying beer to my weekend... :-) |
| 04:28.24 | JeffM | a nobile endeavor |
| 04:28.41 | spldart | And was noticing my flag zones don't work on trunk server :-p |
| 04:32.00 | spldart | Harumph... Why can't I get my 5154 stabe and 5155 trunk servers on the list @ the same time :confused: |
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| 06:49.33 | brlcad | sup homies |
| 06:52.27 | Constitution | ~x sp en est? un poco emborrachito |
| 06:53.08 | brlcad | ~x es en borrachito |
| 06:53.13 | brlcad | bah |
| 06:53.39 | brlcad | lets just say it means a bit tipsy |
| 06:54.05 | Constitution | ah ): |
| 06:54.10 | Constitution | *:) |
| 06:54.10 | brlcad | keys are so much easier to control than the mouse |
| 06:54.18 | brlcad | damn clikcy thingy |
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| 16:09.44 | Winny | yay |
| 16:12.42 | Winny | BZFlag.org seems to be averaging about ~650 views per day |
| 16:12.52 | Dessy | oh |
| 16:12.59 | Dessy | how u see that? |
| 16:13.30 | Winny | :) |
| 16:13.38 | Winny | oh dear lord |
| 16:13.45 | Winny | some people have visited with IE 4 and 5 >_< |
| 16:14.00 | Winny | that just isn't fair |
| 16:15.14 | Dessy | lol ^^ |
| 16:15.33 | Dessy | my favorit brwoser is firefox :) |
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| 16:48.21 | JeffM | hardware or software? |
| 16:48.29 | Winny | you could put a gamecube and an xbox in an old sun sparc like I am :p |
| 16:51.37 | KTL | ow practical /me sends his project works about computer vision and strange languages to spldart |
| 16:51.55 | KTL | spldart, just be sure the be ready before the deadlines :) |
| 16:52.59 | Pimpinella | hey, i have a really strange language for you! |
| 16:53.07 | KTL | yet another one pain |
| 16:53.08 | Pimpinella | named argh! |
| 16:53.27 | KTL | wikipedia does not know it yet |
| 16:53.51 | KTL | 2 dimensional |
| 16:54.02 | Pimpinella | yep |
| 16:54.22 | Pimpinella | similar to befunge |
| 16:54.54 | Pimpinella | something like cat written in argh!: |
| 16:54.57 | Pimpinella | lllllllj |
| 16:54.57 | Pimpinella | lllj j 2 2 |
| 16:54.57 | Pimpinella | kD2lgj lelSHSph |
| 16:54.57 | Pimpinella | <PROTECTED> |
| 16:54.57 | Pimpinella | <PROTECTED> |
| 16:54.58 | Pimpinella | <PROTECTED> |
| 16:55.08 | KTL | they even got to find out themselves if it is turing complete |
| 16:55.09 | spldart | hehe... I guess mostly hardware... |
| 16:55.58 | spldart | But I do still have a problem with my iptables and getting my hosting out from the other side of a wireless jump here |
| 16:56.40 | KTL | well it might be a good way to do encryption ... |
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| 17:24.12 | Winny | anyone got an xbox they wanna sell? |
| 17:24.27 | Winny | (the old kind) |
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| 17:47.38 | JeffM | Winny: sure, but it's busted ;) |
| 17:47.57 | Winny | What's broken? |
| 17:48.07 | JeffM | the OS |
| 17:48.09 | Winny | hmm, I suppose shipping from Calif. wouldn't be cheap anyways |
| 17:49.29 | JeffM | it's 72 here :) |
| 17:49.32 | JeffM | so very nice |
| 17:49.37 | Winny | grr |
| 17:50.00 | Winny | Getting ~16 inches in the next 12 hours, heh |
| 17:50.08 | JeffM | tho it's going to get cold next week here :/ |
| 17:50.10 | JeffM | http://www.weather.com/outlook/recreation/outdoors/tenday/93021?from=36hr_fcst10DayLink_outdoors |
| 17:51.10 | spldart | only like 55 here |
| 17:52.02 | Winny | only? 55 would be nice :p |
| 17:52.21 | Winny | http://www.theweathernetwork.com/weather/caon0512 :E |
| 17:52.28 | JeffM | how warm does it get there in the summer? |
| 17:53.09 | Winny | We had a few weeks of 99 last summer |
| 17:53.33 | Winny | Goes from -18 to about 95 on average |
| 17:53.34 | JeffM | was that "super hot" for you? |
| 17:53.47 | Winny | it's near the top :p |
| 17:53.56 | JeffM | you may die here then |
| 17:54.20 | Winny | how hot? |
| 17:54.28 | JeffM | 110, 115 |
| 17:54.33 | Winny | ick |
| 17:54.36 | JeffM | I've seen 120s |
| 17:54.41 | JeffM | in the valley |
| 17:54.45 | Winny | How much humidty, though? |
| 17:55.04 | JeffM | the fun part is like when you see 98 - 100 at like 8 at night |
| 17:55.12 | JeffM | we are by an ocean |
| 17:55.16 | JeffM | it's not muggy |
| 17:55.33 | Winny | usually always is here :( |
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| 21:26.33 | JeffM | anyone want to proof/check/modify/muck with/review the new CD labels? |
| 21:27.01 | JeffM | l |
| 21:27.02 | JeffM | k |
| 21:27.12 | JeffM | PSD is still uploading |
| 21:28.19 | JeffM | http://www.opencombat.net/files/BZ_CD_logo.psd |
| 21:28.36 | Winny | 14mb.. how big is it? |
| 21:28.40 | Winny | as in, rez |
| 21:28.49 | JeffM | dunno |
| 21:29.01 | JeffM | it's built on the template I got for the CD label |
| 21:29.23 | JeffM | so it's 2 labels |
| 21:30.28 | JeffM | saturos back from yon vacation yet? |
| 21:31.49 | Winny | nope, You'll have to put up with me until then :p |
| 21:32.52 | JeffM | well you still arn't the only other artist ;) |
| 21:32.57 | JeffM | but it was more curiosity |
| 21:33.06 | Winny | thank god, or you'd be in trouble |
| 21:33.13 | Winny | everything would be apple shiny |
| 21:33.18 | JeffM | we never got to thank him properly for his poster |
| 21:33.20 | JeffM | heh |
| 21:33.39 | Winny | ~Saturos++ |
| 21:36.43 | Winny | JeffM, blender is pretty good from what I've seen |
| 21:36.59 | JeffM | it dosn't do what I'd want it to do :) |
| 21:37.15 | Winny | oh? |
| 21:37.45 | JeffM | show UV projection shapes in the 3d view as you build the UVs |
| 21:38.05 | Winny | eh, you can have it render the UV onto the model as you go |
| 21:38.15 | JeffM | so you'd like move a UV maping cylinder over the faces you want to map using clylindrical |
| 21:38.33 | JeffM | Winny: sure, that's a basic feature |
| 21:38.39 | JeffM | showing existing UVs is easy |
| 21:38.46 | JeffM | I want interactive ways to generate and map them |
| 21:39.03 | JeffM | groups based on face normal deviation, etc. |
| 21:39.38 | JeffM | there was a good maper that did quake2 models and it was well done, but sadly q2 models suck ;) |
| 21:40.24 | JeffM | lithunwrap has many of the tools, but crap interface |
| 21:40.52 | JeffM | Ultimate Unwrap 3D is comercial |
| 21:43.38 | Winny | Ok, I added a couple things.. uploading |
| 21:44.00 | JeffM | what did you add? |
| 21:44.39 | Winny | Well, everything else has a drop shadow, so the Open Source Icon should too. I also added a overlay on the box with the OSes, and I replaced the OS X icon |
| 21:45.23 | JeffM | what did you replace the OSX icon wiht? I got that one from wikipedia, it's one we can use |
| 21:45.29 | JeffM | the others we may not be able to use |
| 21:45.33 | Winny | http://bzfusion.net/bzflag/BZ_CD_logo.psd |
| 21:46.01 | Winny | I made the one it got replaced with, it has a bit of stroke on the edges |
| 21:46.35 | Winny | although not too visible at this rez |
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| 21:47.18 | JeffM | looks the same just fatter |
| 21:47.48 | JeffM | I don't like the tank in the overlay |
| 21:47.54 | JeffM | too many things blending there |
| 21:48.05 | JeffM | looks like a screweup in the tread uder |
| 21:48.31 | JeffM | the drop shadow on the OS logo is good |
| 21:48.38 | JeffM | <PROTECTED> |
| 21:48.52 | Winny | most people won't even know what the tread is, but I suppose most people buying this already know BZ |
| 21:49.01 | Winny | so never mind |
| 21:49.15 | JeffM | we have the icon on there in full sight too |
| 21:49.40 | JeffM | the X does look better |
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| 21:54.53 | Winny | anyone in here have experience with drupal's $primary_links call? |
| 21:54.59 | Winny | I can't get it to generate the links properly |
| 21:57.49 | JeffM | wheee.... four gigglybytes of ram :) |
| 21:58.03 | JeffM | it felt bad to have the laptop have less ram then the desktop |
| 21:58.16 | Winny | 4gb? yikes |
| 21:58.21 | JeffM | yeah |
| 21:58.22 | KTL | vista? :D |
| 21:58.27 | JeffM | 44$ for the other 2 |
| 21:58.32 | JeffM | KTL: no XP |
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| 22:09.52 | Winny | yay, the template is almost done |
| 22:12.19 | Winny | http://bzflagr.net/drupal/ :) |
| 22:13.28 | JeffM | funtastic |
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| 22:21.33 | JeffM | booo for incompatable dimms |
| 22:22.49 | JeffM | hmmmm or maybe boo for bad corsair ram |
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| 22:23.47 | L4m3r | I've had bad corsair ram before :\ |
| 22:24.01 | JeffM | well I can't say it is "bad" |
| 22:24.10 | JeffM | but it won't run at 400mhz |
| 22:24.39 | L4m3r | I had a dual-channel kit that decided not to work anymore after a few months |
| 22:24.47 | L4m3r | the sticks refused to operate at the same time :P |
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| 22:30.38 | JeffM | nope ram is fine, it's my mobo |
| 22:30.40 | JeffM | :) |
| 22:31.34 | JeffM | it means that the new ram isn't slower then I had in the past |
| 22:31.45 | JeffM | and it's just mobo config then |
| 22:32.51 | JeffM | it could also mean that the number I expect to say 400 won't ever say 400, but a number very close to 400, and it's 375ish right now |
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| 22:40.13 | L4m3r | bsod? :P |
| 22:40.19 | Winny | JeffMMain? It sounds like one of NN's irc names :p |
| 22:40.51 | JeffM | no, swaping back to the desktop now that i'm done rebooting |
| 22:41.09 | JeffM | Winny: but notice I get rid of the other login, and CHANGE my name ;) |
| 22:41.21 | Winny | :p |
| 22:41.57 | L4m3r | man, I feel like a million bucks. yay for not being sick. |
| 22:42.06 | EmoNemo | L4m3r: I hate you |
| 22:42.20 | L4m3r | well, closer to 750 grand... not 100% there but almost |
| 22:42.30 | EmoNemo | >bflag |
| 22:42.31 | F687s | Way to stay healthy! |
| 22:42.42 | EmoNemo | >bzflag |
| 22:42.45 | EmoNemo | ... |
| 22:42.47 | EmoNemo | damn it |
| 22:42.51 | L4m3r | wrong channel EmoNemo |
| 22:42.51 | blast007 | EmoNemo: my bot isn't in here, so wrong prefix |
| 22:42.53 | L4m3r | ;) |
| 22:42.59 | EmoNemo | shit |
| 22:43.07 | JeffM | EmoNemo: language please |
| 22:43.08 | L4m3r | language |
| 22:43.10 | EmoNemo | I blame you 2 for confusng me |
| 22:43.17 | EmoNemo | oh sorry about that |
| 22:43.20 | JeffM | no that's prety much your fault ;) |
| 22:45.42 | Winny | there. it's sunny now. |
| 22:46.34 | JeffM | it's up to 76 now |
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| 22:46.44 | JeffM | tomorow I will go ride my motorcycle ;) |
| 22:47.26 | L4m3r | yeah, it's been warmer and warmer |
| 22:47.38 | L4m3r | glad I just fixed my bike... walking in this heat would be brutal |
| 22:50.59 | JeffM | you should get a vespa |
| 22:51.41 | EmoNemo | and the insurence on them are really low |
| 22:51.52 | EmoNemo | My dad pays 25 bucks a year on his |
| 22:52.03 | JeffM | and you could drive around and say "chao!" |
| 22:52.11 | JeffM | EmoNemo: that's the same as my motorcycle |
| 22:52.12 | JeffM | ;) |
| 22:52.45 | EmoNemo | JeffM: his is basically a motorcycle engine paired to a scooter base |
| 22:52.50 | EmoNemo | its highway legal |
| 22:53.05 | JeffM | then it would need a class M license |
| 22:53.20 | EmoNemo | He has had one for a long time |
| 22:53.33 | JeffM | I don't belive L4m3r has a class M |
| 22:53.52 | EmoNemo | I dont know how hard they are to get so |
| 22:54.13 | EmoNemo | I know that he hasnt had to retest in any state yet for it |
| 22:54.26 | L4m3r | I don't think bicycles require a class M :) |
| 22:54.36 | JeffM | nor do scooters |
| 22:54.42 | JeffM | hence why I sugested one ;) |
| 22:55.12 | L4m3r | I'd rather get the license and get a cheap crotch rocket |
| 22:55.22 | JeffM | there ya go |
| 22:55.40 | JeffM | the license isn't hard if you take the CHP course |
| 22:55.46 | JeffM | it can be hard if you don't, on those bikes |
| 22:55.55 | JeffM | they ain't made for small figure 8s ;) |
| 22:56.21 | L4m3r | heh |
| 22:56.36 | JeffM | I nearly bailed on mine |
| 22:56.39 | L4m3r | maybe if you spin the rear wheel enough :) |
| 22:56.39 | JeffM | but passed anyway |
| 22:56.43 | JeffM | heh |
| 22:56.58 | EmoNemo | L4m3r: if you go for a scooter 49cc and lower dont require a Class M I think |
| 22:57.07 | JeffM | I mean you are suposed to go thru this 100ft course and stay between the 2 foot appart lines. |
| 22:57.14 | JeffM | EmoNemo: depends on the state |
| 22:58.11 | JeffM | too bad I don't have my old bike anymore L4m3r I'd have given it to you, all you'd have to do is fix it :) |
| 22:58.29 | L4m3r | heh |
| 22:58.35 | L4m3r | the main advantage here is parking |
| 22:58.42 | JeffM | indeed |
| 22:58.45 | JeffM | voop and your in |
| 22:59.12 | L4m3r | no, there are actually a lot of motorcycle-specific spots, with lock loops and everything |
| 22:59.18 | JeffM | nice |
| 22:59.30 | L4m3r | in fact, iirc there's one directly under the building I'm staying in next year |
| 22:59.55 | L4m3r | er |
| 23:00.02 | L4m3r | a few, not just one :P |
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| 23:33.05 | JeffM | brlcad: want to review the CD label? |
| 23:34.02 | JeffM | http://www.opencombat.net/files/BZ_CD_logo_v3.psd |
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| 23:39.50 | JeffM | Winny: you arn't interested in doing a shirt design are you? |
| 23:40.45 | JeffM | I got a page that lists the shirt colors, if anyone is interested |
| 23:44.18 | spldart | Nope... the barrel definitely doesn't detect shots LOL |
| 23:48.59 | JeffM | yeah I think the bbox is shorter then the barel |
| 23:50.13 | randomparticle | i always think of it as a nose |
| 23:50.23 | spldart | Definitely... I got into a reverseing contest with another hunter he backed up and to the left. me to the right... our barrels split at the turret and we timed our shots trying to get the first detected hit... our barrels would have been shredded if it were for real :-D |
| 23:50.27 | randomparticle | the two lights on top are the eyes |
| 23:59.02 | Winny | JeffM, when is the latest I can submit it by |
| 23:59.16 | JeffM | no deadline |
| 23:59.27 | Winny | hmm, ok |
| 23:59.38 | JeffM | when we get one we like we'll look into the printing |
