IRC log for #bzflag on 20071226

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03:23.15whodaman-CRW is back on bzf:5154
03:23.18whodaman-Some admins wanna come?
03:28.39Macrosofti can has christmas?
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03:34.50mbfgwow insufficient karma
03:34.56mbfg**** Access denied: Insufficient Karma (dbrosius|bzflag/MSVC/VC71|)
03:49.08DTRemenakmbfg: 'bout a year ago we switched to subversion, and cvs was set read-only
03:49.16mbfgah
03:49.20mbfgthat splains it :)
03:50.10DTRemenakso "cvs update" prolly didn't do much for ya either ;)
03:50.26mbfgha
03:50.45mbfgi thought that was relatively little change
03:51.44DTRemenak~bzsvn
03:51.45ibotit has been said that bzsvn is http://my.bzflag.org/w/BZFlag_SVN and svn co https://bzflag.svn.sourceforge.net/svnroot/bzflag/trunk/bzflag bzflag
03:52.01DTRemenakthat wiki page has all the necessary details for setting up subversion
03:52.09mbfgi got svn
03:52.14mbfgjust needed the url - danka
03:52.21DTRemenaknp
03:52.51mbfgluckily didn't take the one on source forge, as that is not just trunk
03:52.59mbfgwhich i always seem to forget to late
03:53.10DTRemenakheh
03:53.15DTRemenakwe have "a few" tags, too
03:53.29DTRemenakwould have been a long download
03:53.35mbfgyup
03:57.55mbfgglew 1.4.0 ?
03:58.44DTRemenakhttp://glew.sourceforge.net/
03:58.54DTRemenakGL Extension Wrangler
03:59.01mbfgversin 1.4.0 ?
03:59.22DTRemenakthat's current
03:59.43mbfgokies
04:00.02DTRemenakI don't think we actually use any of the new features, but it's supposed to be backwards-compatible
04:01.01DTRemenakyup, I'm building with 1.4.0
04:12.28CIA-46BZFlag: 03dtremenak * r16356 10/trunk/bzflag/src/bzfs/bzfs.cxx: speling
04:22.40CIA-46BZFlag: 03dtremenak * r16357 10/trunk/bzflag/MSVC/VC8/ (bzfs.vcproj common.vcproj): building is always good
04:29.33CIA-46BZFlag: 03dtremenak * r16358 10/trunk/bzflag/src/ (4 files in 2 dirs): NeworkHandler->NetworkHandler, Extablished->Established globally
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04:40.23Winnynew louman map!!!
04:40.24Winnyhttp://my.bzflag.org/bb/viewtopic.php?t=11988
04:42.01CIA-46BZFlag: 03dtremenak * r16359 10/trunk/bzflag/src/common/BufferedNetworkMessage.cxx: generally speaking, it's undesirable to overwrite all your incoming packets with just the latest one.
04:48.15CIA-46BZFlag: 03dtremenak * r16360 10/trunk/bzflag/ (2 files in 2 dirs):
04:48.16CIA-46BZFlag: my eyes, they burn. Outging->Outgoing globally, correct several instances of
04:48.16CIA-46BZFlag: "que" (it's "queue" when referring to the data structure, std::deque not
04:48.16CIA-46BZFlag: withstanding; deque is spelled that way to avoid confusion with the verb
04:48.16CIA-46BZFlag: "dequeue" [to remove from a queue] as well as provide opportunity to pronounce
04:48.18CIA-46BZFlag: "deck," which is a reasonable real-world example of a double-ended queue)
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05:25.18CRWheelchairBZFlag Cheat News (BFCN) welcomes its newest contributor: NightMare!  http://bzflagcheatnews.blogspot.com/ -- see you soon with all new BZFlag Cheat News articles :)
05:27.01eTangenTerm
05:27.03eTangenTyeah.
05:28.51a_meteorite...
05:29.39CRWheelchairHi, met.
05:29.42a_meteoritebrlcad, DTRemenak, purple_cow, Chestal, et al.
05:29.51a_meteoriteHello.
05:30.05purple_cowa_meteorite: ?
05:30.11a_meteoritepurple_cow: CRWheelchair
05:30.45CRWheelchairHehehehe, what's up, meteorite?
05:31.13purple_cowa_meteorite: uhhuh
05:32.10a_meteoritepurple_cow: Um, you don't know who CRWheelchair is? Or what he is advertising, for that matter?
05:33.07purple_cowif I were to kick people for being immature there wouldn't be a lot of people left here
05:33.28purple_cowunless he's way over the line, I'm too lazy
05:34.02a_meteorite>_>
05:34.20a_meteoriteCRWheelchair would have been out of here before he got a peep out if Jeff were here. ;)
05:35.17CRWheelchaira peep out?  You mean like this:
05:35.19CRWheelchairhttp://bzflagcheatnews.blogspot.com/
05:35.39CRWheelchairOr do you mean like this?
05:35.45CRWheelchairhttp://BZFcheat.blogspot.com/
05:36.08CRWheelchairhttp://bzflagcheat.blogspot.com/ ... for good measure.
05:36.09purple_cowit's a good thing you're so amused with yourself
05:37.41CIA-46BZFlag: 03dtremenak * r16361 10/trunk/bzflag/src/ (bzfs/bzfs.cxx common/Flag.cxx): ws
05:39.11CIA-46BZFlag: 03dtremenak * r16362 10/trunk/bzflag/src/bzflag/playing.cxx:
05:39.11CIA-46BZFlag: the client can now once again actually connect to servers...
05:39.11CIA-46BZFlag: bzflag can't afford to ignore 0-length messages (like, oh, "request for flag negotiation"...). add 4 to the length of any received message for consistency with send/broadcast.
05:41.16AAA_awrightSo there is a minimum payload length of 4 characters now?
05:41.20DTRemenakno
05:41.38AAA_awrightWhat have I been hearing about message length then?
05:41.41DTRemenakit's bookkeeping.  send includes the code and length in the length
05:41.46DTRemenakreceive didn't
05:41.54DTRemenakand 0 is treated as an error
05:42.05DTRemenakcould have changed it to use -1 as an error but it's all unsigned and that was too much work
05:42.08DTRemenakso I just added 4
05:42.24AAA_awrightUh, hou about (~0)
05:42.41DTRemenakthat's a silly error value
05:42.48AAA_awrightWhich is 255, correct?
05:42.56DTRemenakdepends ;)
05:43.03DTRemenakin this case it's a uint_16t
05:43.19AAA_awrightRight, message length is two characters
05:43.31AAA_awrightMessage title too
05:44.56CIA-46BZFlag: 03dtremenak * r16363 10/trunk/bzflag/src/bzflag/ServerLink.cxx: ws
05:46.14AAA_awrightSo it is still possible to send 4-character total messages (0-length payload)
05:46.20DTRemenakum, yeah
05:46.25DTRemenaklike, flag negotiation :P
05:46.59DTRemenakthe whole point of that commit was that they were broken (couldn't be received by the client)
05:48.03AAA_awrightfixing whitespace, yeah
05:48.34DTRemenak"that commit" -> the one we were talking about, not the last one
05:48.37AAA_awrightOh, I see, it is the return value.
05:50.31*** part/#bzflag CRWheelchair (n=jim@or-65-40-178-145.dyn.embarqhsd.net)
05:52.09AAA_awright...creative. UINTMAX16_MIN-1 may have been better?
05:52.22DTRemenakwhy?
05:52.36DTRemenakthis way, the size returned by receive is the same as the size returned by send
05:52.52AAA_awrightAhh. Creative :)
05:53.56AAA_awrightBZFlag source needs more comments
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10:37.18kazim59When I try to start a server, bzflag says Failed (exit = 2)
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14:03.47jftsang*~seen nn-main
14:04.02Winnyjust send him a BZBB pm if it's that urgent
14:04.02whodaman-~seen nn-main
14:04.04ibotnn-main <n=nn@74.94.43.196> was last seen on IRC in channel #bzflag, 1d 20h 49m 46s ago, saying: 'there are tuns of serfaces'.
14:04.19jftsang..can't spell..
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14:04.56Winnyheh
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15:00.17Thumper_Another bzfs 2.99 curl crash backtrace if anyone is interested: http://bzflag.pastebin.com/m48a3f41a
15:02.30Thumper_this backtrace is from yesterday's build
15:04.24donny_bakerHappy Boxing day to all our Canadian/UK/AU listners... so how many fights are on the card? :P
15:15.16wanda:q!
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15:49.03mazokohai
15:49.06mazokoFaust-C sucks cocks
15:49.20ruskieow look... another one to ban...
15:49.58mazokono sisly
15:49.59mazokohe does
15:50.02mazokogo get in on it
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15:53.48*** topic/#bzflag is http://BZFlag.org || http://cia.vc/stats/project/BZFlag || http://my.BZFlag.org/w/Getting_Help || logs at http://ibot.rikers.org/#bzflag || http://ohloh.net/projects/189 || http://my.bzflag.org/w/ || 2.0.10 is out. || http://www.linkedin.com/e/gis/45019/37A4F10F2697
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16:02.36spldartheh
16:03.32Winnywtf was that?
16:15.45JeffMan idiot
16:16.08Winnyfun
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16:21.59whodaman-good job
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16:51.15CIA-46BZFlag: 03JeffM2501 * r16364 10/trunk/bzflag/tools/modeltool/modeltool.cxx: newline between faces and verts when doing bounding geometry
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16:54.05jftsangDoes anyone have a Windows .dll of ProximityMine
16:54.23jftsangI cannot get my compiler to compile BZFlag source code
16:54.33JeffMwhat compiler do you use?
16:54.46jftsangDev-CPP
16:54.55JeffMnope, it won't work
16:55.03JeffMVC8 EE shoould
16:55.19jftsanghow do I install boost for VC8
16:55.33JeffMby following the instructions
16:57.48JeffMbut that VC project he has isn't set up correctly
16:58.02jftsangit says I need to convert
16:58.50JeffMand an unreadable license
16:58.55JeffMyeah uou can convert itt
16:58.58JeffMit sitll won't work
16:59.04JeffMit's not setup
16:59.36jftsangany other way to compile it for windows?
17:00.04JeffMnone of them will be easy
17:00.14JeffMwork will have to be done for any of them
17:01.02JeffMtho techincaly I don't know if I can even compile and distribute this plug-in since I can' read the license
17:04.01AAA_awrightMake ProximityMine work without Boost
17:04.08AAA_awrightIt isn't that hard
17:04.24JeffMthat is one solution
17:04.25AAA_awrightRemoves some overhead too
17:04.32JeffMhe'd still h ave to make a project file for it
17:07.58JeffMjftsang, what is your e-mail?
17:08.26jftsangjftsang@hotmail.com (laugh at hotmail)
17:09.49JeffMthere
17:11.02jftsangthanks
17:13.46JeffMit's untested
17:17.42JeffMlike I said, untested
17:18.51jftsangit always disconnects around 10 to 16 seconds after the server is started
17:19.59JeffMand it's fine when that plug-in is not loaded?
17:20.33jftsangyes
17:21.04JeffMsoulds like you found your culprit then
17:22.01whodaman-GU admin
17:22.17whodaman-Some cheater is on the Hix-Rabbit hunt server
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17:23.05bradok
17:23.28whodaman-brad, just left :/
17:24.04bradah :P
17:37.32jftsangby the way, axl rose has joined again under another name, and he was on my map yesterday
17:37.44Winnythen ban him
17:38.02Winnyyou can't do much with people on dynamic IPs except hostban 'em
17:41.40jftsang"mass`" i belive was his new alias, not including quotes
17:43.01CIA-46BZFlag: 03dtremenak * r16365 10/trunk/bzflag/src/bzfs/bzfsMessages.cxx: GetPlayerByIndex can return NULL, folks. fix Thumper_'s latest crash (and associated whitespace).
17:45.51JeffMjftsang, plugin works for me with a simple test
17:46.14jftsangJeffM: oh, what was the map you used? Maybe it is because of an incompatability on my map
17:46.39JeffMI wasn't aware that it required anything specific from the map
17:46.44JeffMI ran it on random
17:47.28CIA-46BZFlag: 03dtremenak * r16366 10/trunk/bzflag/src/bzflag/ (ServerLink.cxx playing.cxx): ws
17:51.12jftsangnope, disconnects me even on a blank map
17:51.48JeffMthen build debug and find out why
17:51.52jftsangcrashes when I type in /mine
17:52.15jftsangand when I grab WG flag
17:52.17jftsang*US
17:53.48JeffMduno man
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18:45.41spldartI'm setting up a remote server here at work what's a good easy way for me to long in to the X session from... Debian both ends
18:45.56spldartLog not long
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19:06.59JeffMif anyone sees a_metorite can you please tell him I must speak with him. It is of the utmost importance.
19:10.37whodaman-donny_baker, ping
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19:15.31donny_bakerwhodaman-: pong
19:17.02tsI've repeatedly seen observers holding team flags - is this a known issue?
19:17.19JeffMyeah
19:17.32JeffM2.0.x proto allows it
19:17.35tsA cheater came and after he was gone, an observer had the flag
19:17.45JeffMhas been fixed
19:18.02tsWhen was it fixed?
19:18.05JeffMtrunk
19:18.18JeffMbasicly the message used for thief isn't checked.
19:18.22tsSo..not in 2.0.x?
19:18.23JeffMand is blindly trusted
19:18.28JeffMit's a proto failure
19:18.36tseek
19:18.38JeffMclient does the work
19:18.45JeffMisn't the first, won't be the last
19:19.19tsI hate networking..I don't even understand simple things :(
19:19.53JeffMbasicly when you get hit with theif, you send a message that says "give my flag to this person"
19:19.56JeffMand it's trusted.
19:20.06tsLike having a web server working on port 80..and then using a browser on the same machine - shouldn't they block each other..but they don't.
19:20.07JeffMinstead of "I got hit" and let the server do the transfers
19:20.23JeffMts, the browser dosn't use port 80 to send on
19:20.32JeffMit uses an open port
19:20.46JeffMand that port is part of the repply address
19:20.47tsWhich port does the browser use?
19:20.56JeffMany open part
19:21.02JeffMport
19:21.07JeffMSOCK_ADDR_ANY
19:21.13JeffMIIRC
19:21.20JeffMOS asigns them
19:21.41tsAah, that would explain why I don't get browser working behind an SPI firewall
19:22.48JeffMyeah usualy you allow outgoing,or if you want to lock it down, set up a local proxy
19:22.59JeffMand have that proxy use specific ports.
19:24.35JeffMblast007, donny_baker , L4m3r , et all webheads. how hard would it be to change weblogin to keep a ban list of URLS to not send back it?
19:25.33donny_bakerto?*
19:26.19JeffMthe way weblogin works, is the client gets redirected to the URL for the page, with a post paramater for a URL to redirect them back to, with the token and username filled in
19:26.50JeffMthen once they auth, we redirect them to that URL with the parmaters filled in.
19:27.04JeffMI'd like to block specific URLS from being able to use the service
19:27.06donny_bakeri would think not hard, just use that parameter to ban
19:27.22JeffMya know I shojuld know this, I did write the first one :)
19:27.34JeffMyeah I guess just do a wildcard match on the domain
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19:27.50JeffMI'd allmost rather swap it over to a whitelist
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19:28.17donny_bakeri've never looked at the current, but in theory we have the parameter so should in theory be easy
19:28.19JeffMbasicly "sure we'll let you auth using our database, just register with us first" etc..
19:28.31donny_bakermhm
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20:35.53jftsanglol.. my connection sucks so badly
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21:05.47jftsangHow do I apply a texmatrix to make something look moving
21:06.01JeffMhow do you want it to move?
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21:11.35JeffMperhaps you should use screen on a  system with better connections
21:13.41donny_bakerahhhh... the attack of the _
21:16.43jftsang_______yes, a moving texture
21:16.57jftsang_______so.. it looks spinning/moving
21:17.09jftsang_______e.g. water on my map (bzfmaps.net:7011)
21:17.50ruskieor just an irc bouncer on a more stable connection... no need for a screen session :) just a single bg process
21:17.55ruskieanyway... sleep time for me...
21:18.14JeffMit depends on how you want it to move
21:18.20JeffMslide or spin?
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21:20.12whodaman-lol
21:20.22JeffMdude
21:21.04jftsang_______:P
21:21.29whodaman-jftsang, maybe 1 _ would do the trick next time :P ?
21:21.49jftsangI would, if my client would let me :(
21:22.00JeffMI can't help you if you disconect constantly
21:23.02jftsangso, about tex matrixes
21:23.55JeffMdo you want it to slide or spin?
21:24.06jftsangspin
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21:25.32JeffM_hah
21:25.37jftsang:(
21:25.42JeffM_you curse us all
21:25.44JeffM_stop it
21:27.11JeffM_so do you have a material?
21:27.17jftsangyes
21:27.19jftsangwater.png
21:27.24JeffM_that's a texture
21:27.27jftsangwith diffuse
21:27.29JeffM_is it in a mateerial?
21:27.30JeffM_ok
21:27.42JeffM_then just add a texture matrix with a name
21:27.42jftsangnamed whirlpool
21:28.07JeffM_what kind of object is it applied to?
21:28.17jftsanga mesh
21:28.23jftsangwell, all faces of a mesh
21:30.29jftsangwith spin x?
21:30.40jftsang(and centre)
21:30.55JeffM_IIRC it spins around the origin
21:31.01JeffM_you do translations to move it
21:31.08JeffM_and remember, it's not a world space spin
21:31.10JeffM_it's a UV spin
21:31.26JeffM_so moving the origin by 1 unit == the entire size of the image
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21:33.07jftsangthen, i apply with "texmat spinningwater"?
21:33.47JeffM_sure
21:35.10spldartSounds very interesting
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22:01.24jftsangJeffM_: when you said ProximityMine worked for you, what version of BZFS were you using? 2.0.11?
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22:08.08JeffM_I built from SVN yes
22:13.46jftsangmm, any changes to the API that may have caused this? It may be the case that ProximityMine has some API features that work only on 2.0.11 and not on 2.0.10
22:14.38JeffM_nope
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22:14.51JeffM_only thing that changed was chat message parsing
22:14.55JeffM_well sending
22:18.41JeffM_you really need to fix that
22:18.44JeffM_it's geting rather anoying
22:18.53JeffM_I dobut it's you router, as I don't recall you being this unstable
22:19.55jftsangwell, recently the router overheated
22:20.25JeffM_it's getting aonying
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22:37.16jftsangcan't someone just ban me from this channel
22:37.28JeffM_just don't join
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22:56.34JeffM_any bzbb admins here?
22:58.45blast007JeffM_: I am
22:59.08JeffM_want to come and discuss the a_meteorite situation?
22:59.22a_meteoritesince it involves me, may I join?
22:59.37JeffM_nope
22:59.48blast007JeffM_: sure
22:59.49donny_bakerim here, where we going
22:59.57JeffM_##bzbb again
22:59.58delusionalkeep me out of it.
23:00.18JeffM_that's easy, dosnt' involve you at all
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