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| 00:15.28 | Winny | pft, 2 cores? noob. |
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| 00:32.21 | LeGeeko | hi |
| 00:32.31 | macsforme | hi |
| 00:32.41 | Winny | hi |
| 00:32.47 | LeGeeko | I have a problem loading plugins with BZFlag 2.0.8 |
| 00:32.54 | Winny | 2.0.10 is out, for one ;) |
| 00:33.12 | LeGeeko | Well, Yes, but the update was made only today. |
| 00:34.28 | LeGeeko | Anyway, when I try to load a plugin using /loadplugin <plugin_name> I get a command not found error |
| 00:34.44 | macsforme | you need to compile bzfs with plugin support |
| 00:34.44 | Winny | you need to specify the plugin path |
| 00:34.54 | macsforme | did you install bzfs from a package? |
| 00:34.58 | LeGeeko | Yes |
| 00:35.04 | macsforme | then it probably doesn't support it |
| 00:35.11 | LeGeeko | Oh |
| 00:35.30 | LeGeeko | Ok |
| 00:35.51 | Winny | wow, uh, some mod delete the last post here |
| 00:35.52 | Winny | http://my.bzflag.org/bb/viewtopic.php?t=1651 |
| 00:35.57 | Winny | he bumped an almost 2 year oild topic |
| 00:35.59 | macsforme | you'll have to compile it yourself (in which case you might as well use 2.0.10), or perhaps wait for the 2.0.10 bzfs package... not sure if that will support plugins or not |
| 00:36.22 | LeGeeko | So what do I need ( besides the source ) to compile with plugin support |
| 00:36.34 | LeGeeko | Any special compiler options? |
| 00:36.54 | Winny | --enable-plugins and --enabled-shared |
| 00:37.00 | Winny | in the ./configure option |
| 00:37.09 | LeGeeko | OK thanks |
| 00:37.21 | LeGeeko | I'll do that and see if it works |
| 00:37.27 | LeGeeko | Bye |
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| 00:41.36 | TheRedBaron | nightmare on bzfmaps.net if there is an admin about |
| 00:44.08 | macsforme | this is why we need CAN |
| 00:44.12 | Winny | is he actually cheating? |
| 00:44.19 | Winny | or just being a poop? |
| 00:44.41 | TheRedBaron | macsforme: CAN? |
| 00:44.49 | A_Heart_Attack | can.bzflagr.net |
| 00:44.55 | macsforme | Community Agent/Admin Network, IIRC |
| 00:44.59 | Winny | A_Heart_Attack: FAIL |
| 00:45.06 | Winny | wrong url |
| 00:45.16 | A_Heart_Attack | fine |
| 00:45.19 | A_Heart_Attack | can.bzfx.net |
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| 00:46.11 | TheRedBaron | macsforme: they tried that idea, not so good |
| 00:46.12 | macsforme | http://my.bzflag.org/w/CommunityAdministrationNetwork/About |
| 00:46.19 | macsforme | who tried? |
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| 00:47.27 | LeGeeko | Ok, I got the source... I just forgot what the compiler options I need! Silly me! |
| 00:47.33 | TheRedBaron | macsforme: the community |
| 00:47.39 | macsforme | --enable-shared --enable-plugins |
| 00:47.40 | TheRedBaron | dunno, about 3/4 years back |
| 00:47.46 | LeGeeko | Ok thanks |
| 00:47.51 | macsforme | oh, bzcops or something? |
| 00:47.55 | TheRedBaron | 3 - 4 years |
| 00:47.56 | TheRedBaron | yes |
| 00:48.05 | JeffM2501 | bzcops wasn't the same thing |
| 00:48.10 | JeffM2501 | it was less |
| 00:48.16 | JeffM2501 | but on the same path |
| 00:49.08 | TheRedBaron | while it may not be the same in its execution, its the same principle |
| 00:49.28 | JeffM2501 | it was more loose in it's ideals |
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| 00:50.10 | TheRedBaron | looks like its a similar idea as global registration, only with a ruling body |
| 00:50.26 | TheRedBaron | where do i nominate JeffM2501 for head honcho? :P |
| 00:50.28 | JeffM2501 | and more formalised rules and procedures ;) |
| 00:50.38 | JeffM2501 | TheRedBaron, I came up with the plan for it ;) |
| 00:50.43 | JeffM2501 | but I wont' run it |
| 00:50.52 | TheRedBaron | ah, i should have known |
| 00:51.04 | JeffM2501 | the origonal docs I did are on the wiki |
| 00:51.14 | TheRedBaron | explains the author is tired part |
| 00:51.19 | macsforme | BZFX took up the project |
| 00:51.28 | JeffM2501 | that they did |
| 00:52.07 | macsforme | haven't seen much recent movement, though... I guess they are getting a new server or something |
| 00:54.09 | TheRedBaron | did the CAN have its inspiration from iCANN ? |
| 00:54.21 | JeffM2501 | no |
| 00:54.24 | JeffM2501 | it's a horible name |
| 00:57.59 | LeGeeko | ok, I' running autogen.sh right now |
| 00:58.26 | LeGeeko | in the bzflag.info file, what does ./configure %c mean? |
| 00:58.47 | Winny | "I kicked the CAN!" |
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| 01:00.49 | LeGeeko | ? |
| 01:01.10 | LeGeeko | No, really - what is the %c for? |
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| 01:01.24 | TheRedBaron | odd |
| 01:01.29 | LeGeeko | nyup |
| 01:01.53 | LeGeeko | grrr... I'm used to pressing 'n' before speaking |
| 01:01.58 | LeGeeko | nlol |
| 01:02.01 | LeGeeko | nsee? |
| 01:02.02 | macsforme | LeGeeko: it probably gets parsed into something else as part of the build process... who knows. |
| 01:02.03 | LeGeeko | ngrr |
| 01:02.12 | LeGeeko | OK |
| 01:02.55 | LeGeeko | I'm wondering if it will interfere with the --enable options |
| 01:03.15 | macsforme | no |
| 01:03.18 | macsforme | do ./configure --help for usage |
| 01:03.47 | LeGeeko | ok thanks |
| 01:13.12 | LeGeeko | configuring done, but when I ran make i got a few "Error 1" messsages - I hope they don't matter |
| 01:14.39 | macsforme | yes they do... but we need more feedback than that if we're going to help |
| 01:14.47 | macsforme | can you pastebin the whole output? |
| 01:14.58 | LeGeeko | Maybe |
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| 01:17.52 | LeGeeko | 1 minute |
| 01:20.04 | LeGeeko | Ok it's on Pastebin |
| 01:20.22 | LeGeeko | kinda long though |
| 01:21.04 | JeffM2501 | paste the URL pastebin gave you |
| 01:21.19 | LeGeeko | http://pastebin.com/d19267687 |
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| 01:22.05 | JeffM2501 | what linux distrobution do you have? |
| 01:22.16 | LeGeeko | Ubuntu7.04 |
| 01:22.24 | JeffM2501 | you need to install the C++ compiler |
| 01:22.26 | JeffM2501 | g++ |
| 01:22.30 | JeffM2501 | ./../libtool: line 1281: g++: command not found |
| 01:22.33 | JeffM2501 | that is the error |
| 01:22.36 | LeGeeko | ok |
| 01:22.47 | JeffM2501 | don't forget the SDL and libcurl dev packages too |
| 01:22.51 | JeffM2501 | you'll need those |
| 01:23.50 | LeGeeko | Ok |
| 01:24.10 | LeGeeko | Funny, I thought Ubuntu ships with g++ by default |
| 01:24.25 | JeffM2501 | nope |
| 01:24.34 | JeffM2501 | just gcc |
| 01:27.30 | LeGeeko | well, now I know why I've never been able to compile anything. Heh. |
| 01:28.18 | blast007 | think there is a build-essential package that you can install |
| 01:28.55 | blast007 | can't remember what exactly I had to install on Ubuntu ;) |
| 01:31.25 | LeGeeko | *whew* installing libraries takes a while |
| 01:31.49 | LeGeeko | Ok, I think I have what I need. I'll try make again. |
| 01:32.01 | ShadowSpectre | blast, do you still play much? |
| 01:32.22 | LeGeeko | I haven't seen him on for a while |
| 01:32.56 | ShadowSpectre | I was just wondering because so many in the higher echelons aren't seen in the game much. |
| 01:33.10 | ShadowSpectre | unless they play under different names |
| 01:33.41 | LeGeeko | Grr... I still get the errors |
| 01:33.51 | macsforme | what did you install? |
| 01:34.09 | LeGeeko | -how do you mean? |
| 01:34.20 | macsforme | you did "apt-get install ..." something? |
| 01:34.59 | LeGeeko | Oh - I installed: g++, libcurl3-dev,libsdl1.2-dev,libsdl1.2debian |
| 01:35.20 | macsforme | and you get the exact same error? |
| 01:35.37 | LeGeeko | I think so - it's rather complex |
| 01:36.07 | LeGeeko | It stil says "error 1" |
| 01:36.07 | macsforme | please pastebin it again |
| 01:36.07 | LeGeeko | Ok |
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| 01:36.07 | macsforme | error 1 basically means that something went wrong |
| 01:38.27 | JeffM2501 | remember that we can't read your mind |
| 01:38.33 | LeGeeko | ok, here it is - just the errors this time |
| 01:38.36 | LeGeeko | http://pastebin.com/d65fc9f21 |
| 01:38.40 | JeffM2501 | well I can, but it'd cause you to bleed from the nose and that's messy |
| 01:39.04 | LeGeeko | Well then don't please :) |
| 01:39.12 | JeffM2501 | /usr/lib/gcc/i486-linux-gnu/4.1.2/../../../../include/c++/4.1.2/bits/vector.tcc:452: error: call of overloaded 'max(const size_t&, const size_t&)' is ambiguous |
| 01:39.22 | JeffM2501 | tha'ts an odd one |
| 01:39.22 | LeGeeko | whatever that means |
| 01:39.28 | JeffM2501 | what version of the code are you building? |
| 01:39.29 | macsforme | LeGeeko: the whole thing is more helpful |
| 01:39.47 | macsforme | also, you should typically run "make" or "make all" before "make install" |
| 01:39.47 | JeffM2501 | yeah your' past the error by then |
| 01:39.56 | LeGeeko | the version is 2.0.10 |
| 01:39.56 | LeGeeko | oh |
| 01:39.58 | LeGeeko | ok |
| 01:40.01 | JeffM2501 | oh yeah don't do make install first |
| 01:40.01 | LeGeeko | will re-do |
| 01:40.37 | blast007 | ShadowSpectre: not as much as I used to, but I still play |
| 01:41.00 | JeffM2501 | hmm wonder if there is a libcurl like lib for sending e-mail |
| 01:41.43 | LeGeeko | gr... I even get an error when I run make - drat |
| 01:42.54 | LeGeeko | should I pastebin that too? |
| 01:43.08 | JeffM2501 | hey blast007 would it be simple enough to make a php page that would send an e-mail out, as long as the request came from the same machine? |
| 01:43.18 | JeffM2501 | LeGeeko, only if you want help with it |
| 01:43.20 | macsforme | LeGeeko: yes |
| 01:43.26 | LeGeeko | ok |
| 01:43.30 | blast007 | sure |
| 01:43.39 | blast007 | why use PHP for that though? |
| 01:43.43 | LeGeeko | yeah PHP can do stuff like that |
| 01:43.57 | JeffM2501 | blast007, got ideas how I can send mail from C++ code? |
| 01:44.04 | blast007 | http://libsmtp.berlios.de/ |
| 01:44.10 | blast007 | LGPL too |
| 01:44.11 | JeffM2501 | I guess you do :) |
| 01:44.29 | Erroneous | LeGeeko: try re-running configure; looks like it didn't detect that you had std::max. |
| 01:44.30 | JeffM2501 | cross plat? |
| 01:44.57 | JeffM2501 | LeGeeko, you probalby didn't run configure again after installing g++ |
| 01:45.11 | blast007 | "maybe even Windows" <-- so probably not under VC ;) |
| 01:45.16 | Erroneous | that'd do it |
| 01:45.26 | LeGeeko | Ah |
| 01:45.31 | JeffM2501 | well I'll get it and see then :) |
| 01:45.32 | blast007 | "tested under Linux and NetBSD" |
| 01:46.22 | Macrosoft | hey, is 44 degrees C when idling good? |
| 01:46.30 | LeGeeko | re-configuring... |
| 01:46.43 | JeffM2501 | Macrosoft, is blue good |
| 01:46.54 | Macrosoft | JeffM2501: huh? |
| 01:47.01 | LeGeeko | nyup - like blue |
| 01:47.01 | JeffM2501 | Macrosoft, exactly |
| 01:47.09 | LeGeeko | lolz |
| 01:47.16 | JeffM2501 | with out context your question makes no sense |
| 01:47.35 | JeffM2501 | CPU? GPU? car? sun? |
| 01:47.49 | Macrosoft | okay, is a CPU ilding at 44C good? |
| 01:47.54 | JeffM2501 | what CPU? |
| 01:48.01 | JeffM2501 | a 486, proably not |
| 01:48.05 | blast007 | hehe |
| 01:48.09 | Macrosoft | JeffM2501: a core2 |
| 01:48.13 | JeffM2501 | what speed |
| 01:48.15 | LeGeeko | well, it 44C hot or cold? |
| 01:48.17 | JeffM2501 | dude, we can't read your mind |
| 01:48.26 | Macrosoft | 2.66ghz |
| 01:48.32 | JeffM2501 | 44 is probably fine for that |
| 01:48.57 | JeffM2501 | my 2.2 runs in the mid 30's, but it's a laptop |
| 01:49.05 | Macrosoft | okay, just wanted to be sure it isnt overheating. this is the first time ive built a system |
| 01:49.09 | JeffM2501 | my 6k+ runs in the high 30s |
| 01:49.10 | blast007 | my 1.6GHz Pentium M is idling at 44C right now ;) |
| 01:49.11 | LeGeeko | if your CPU is hot to the touch then probably not |
| 01:49.23 | JeffM2501 | most overheat in the 70+ range |
| 01:49.35 | Macrosoft | LeGeeko: 44C = 114F |
| 01:49.44 | LeGeeko | Ah |
| 01:49.45 | blast007 | LeGeeko: if you are touching your CPU, and it's hot, you should probably put the heatsink back on ;) |
| 01:49.51 | LeGeeko | nlol |
| 01:49.56 | Macrosoft | nheh |
| 01:50.02 | blast007 | midiots |
| 01:50.04 | L4m3r | ~n |
| 01:50.08 | ibot | n is, like, the disease bzflag players get when they play too much. There is no cure. |
| 01:50.14 | blast007 | ~m |
| 01:50.14 | ibot | well, m is a variant of the n disease, usually found among league and CTF players. |
| 01:50.16 | LeGeeko | nyup |
| 01:50.18 | LeGeeko | nlolz |
| 01:50.22 | LeGeeko | n:) |
| 01:50.23 | blast007 | anyway... |
| 01:50.29 | LeGeeko | n-e-way |
| 01:50.31 | LeGeeko | nlol |
| 01:50.42 | JeffM2501 | please type all the letters of words |
| 01:50.50 | LeGeeko | OK |
| 01:50.52 | Macrosoft | ~z |
| 01:50.53 | ibot | hmm... z is zaurus, or the disease bzflag admins get when they play too much |
| 01:51.02 | LeGeeko | yeah |
| 01:51.03 | Winny | hehe |
| 01:51.48 | LeGeeko | and killall firefox is the disease that any UNIX user gets sooner or later... |
| 01:51.53 | blast007 | they can't be Dead Or Alive if they were never living |
| 01:52.03 | Macrosoft | blast007: dead on arrival |
| 01:52.07 | blast007 | Macrosoft: I know |
| 01:52.08 | LeGeeko | Dead On Arrival |
| 01:52.13 | JeffM2501 | they were dead when you got them |
| 01:52.23 | JeffM2501 | some compoents may have organic bases |
| 01:52.31 | L4m3r | Macrosoft: yeah, it's not fun when you have to RMA your arm |
| 01:52.38 | JeffM2501 | but they were killed in the process of becoming computer parts |
| 01:52.45 | LeGeeko | yuk |
| 01:53.10 | LeGeeko | Hey, I think it's actually compiling now - W000T! |
| 01:53.20 | Macrosoft | LeGeeko: yay! |
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| 01:53.47 | LeGeeko | Group Hug! <(^_^<) |
| 01:54.00 | JeffM2501 | Erroneous, what is the windows replacement for "glib.h"? |
| 01:55.06 | Erroneous | replacement? if ya need glib, ya need glib |
| 01:55.12 | JeffM2501 | what is glib? |
| 01:55.13 | LeGeeko | nLOL |
| 01:55.52 | LeGeeko | it's like a glob, only not |
| 01:55.52 | LeGeeko | lol |
| 01:55.52 | JeffM2501 | LeGeeko, you can stop now |
| 01:55.52 | JeffM2501 | seriously |
| 01:55.52 | LeGeeko | OK |
| 01:55.52 | JeffM2501 | GTK? |
| 01:55.53 | awilcox | Erroneous: ping! |
| 01:56.01 | Erroneous | glib is a cross-platform compatibility library |
| 01:56.09 | Erroneous | started out as part of gtk, yes |
| 01:56.38 | LeGeeko | I originally though it was part of OpenGL |
| 01:56.38 | JeffM2501 | I assume it'd be part of the gtk package then? |
| 01:56.51 | JeffM2501 | openGL has never had a glib |
| 01:56.52 | Erroneous | awilcox: pinging a host that is actively transmitting is not strictly necessary |
| 01:57.46 | Erroneous | JeffM2501: should be a separate project |
| 01:57.46 | awilcox | Erroneous: I wasn't looking at timestamps, sorry =/ anyways, I'm just here to remind you about my box...sorta thought you might make it a Christmas present :p |
| 01:57.47 | Erroneous | but gtk does depend on it |
| 01:58.05 | Erroneous | awilcox: heh, forgot about that...still in my trunk |
| 01:58.16 | awilcox | haha |
| 01:58.28 | awilcox | Erroneous: preferrably a post office :p |
| 02:02.17 | JeffM2501 | we have UPS here |
| 02:02.28 | JeffM2501 | hmm now to just find glibconfig.h |
| 02:09.45 | JeffM2501 | yeah it's all bsd sockets :( |
| 02:14.36 | Macrosoft | ~lart Macrosoft |
| 02:14.36 | ibot | takes out a seltzer bottle and sprays Macrosoft in the face. You know, one of those old-school seltzer bottles clowns have? Yeah those. Anyway, consider yourself spritzed |
| 02:17.14 | Erroneous | why do you need it to run on windows anyway? |
| 02:18.53 | JeffM2501 | development |
| 02:18.59 | JeffM2501 | but your right |
| 02:19.13 | JeffM2501 | I'm stubing it for now, and I can replace it with calls to other good things later |
| 02:19.22 | JeffM2501 | such as yon lib |
| 03:06.18 | Winny | oh. my. god. |
| 03:06.24 | Winny | http://my.bzflag.org/bb/viewtopic.php?t=4344 |
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| 03:06.39 | Winny | silver surfer awoke ANOTHER 1+ year old topic |
| 03:07.15 | a_meteorite | Winny: and that surprises you? :P |
| 03:07.25 | Winny | not rly |
| 03:07.31 | Winny | someone just needs to reomve it |
| 03:09.46 | a_meteorite | wtf? http://my.bzflag.org/bb/viewtopic.php?p=118683#118683 |
| 03:09.53 | a_meteorite | http://my.bzflag.org/bb/viewtopic.php?p=118694#118694 |
| 03:10.11 | Winny | yeah |
| 03:10.14 | Winny | I know |
| 03:10.24 | Winny | needs to be dealt with... |
| 03:10.38 | a_meteorite | someone needs to go to silver surfer's house and sit him outside |
| 03:10.52 | a_meteorite | too much of his computer use is causing others agony |
| 03:11.18 | a_meteorite | "This is called a blade of grass. Now breathe and enjoy. STEP BACK FROM THAT 1 YEAR OLD GRASS!" |
| 03:27.01 | JeffM2501 | wow |
| 03:27.45 | a_meteorite | At me or silver surfer? |
| 03:29.44 | JeffM2501 | you |
| 03:30.05 | a_meteorite | it's a satirical reference to 1 year old topics |
| 03:30.18 | a_meteorite | guess he couldn't handle the grass |
| 03:30.51 | blast007 | a_meteorite: well, it didn't make sense anyway |
| 03:31.02 | a_meteorite | probably cause I had no sleep last night |
| 03:31.19 | a_meteorite | at least it made sense in my world.. isn't that the definition of insanity? |
| 03:31.39 | Macrosoft | a_meteorite: what happened? |
| 03:31.45 | a_meteorite | read up |
| 03:32.06 | Macrosoft | a_meteorite: thread necromancy? |
| 03:32.28 | a_meteorite | ~dict necromancy |
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| 03:32.38 | a_meteorite | something like that |
| 03:33.43 | Macrosoft | when i first joined i forgot to check the dates on some threads before i posted. i bumped 3 or 4 year old topics |
| 03:33.59 | Winny | heh |
| 03:34.24 | a_meteorite | I don't think silver surfer is doing it accidentally |
| 03:34.36 | Macrosoft | * 3 or 4 one-year-old threads |
| 03:34.37 | a_meteorite | maybe his "little brother" is doing it accidentally |
| 03:34.54 | Macrosoft | a_meteorite: lt.kirby :P |
| 03:35.12 | a_meteorite | Macrosoft: lt.kirby is silver surfer's little brother probably |
| 03:35.56 | a_meteorite | that's why he's the "little brother" |
| 03:39.31 | a_meteorite | I'd post every day as long as I didn't PO too many people in a short time |
| 03:39.42 | a_meteorite | somehow I always manage to do that while helping someone |
| 03:39.42 | a_meteorite | ;) |
| 03:40.16 | Macrosoft | a_meteorite: hannibal seems to have a strong dislike for me ;) |
| 03:40.34 | a_meteorite | I'm sure many others agree with him |
| 03:41.04 | Macrosoft | my last post http://my.bzflag.org/bb/viewtopic.php?p=116060#116060 |
| 03:41.34 | a_meteorite | never EVER say "you". it is a definitive form to reference another person so people may incorrectly assess what you are saying. |
| 03:41.47 | a_meteorite | y'know, silver surfer may think you're talking to "him" |
| 03:42.02 | a_meteorite | no wonder that's your last post |
| 03:42.05 | a_meteorite | just kidding :P |
| 03:42.26 | Macrosoft | a_meteorite: that advice is only a month and a half late :P |
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| 05:13.21 | pacman87 | what's the easiest way to compile server plugins for winXP? |
| 05:13.52 | JeffM | add the header and link lib from the bin package to your include paths, and just build it using the VC solution |
| 05:14.24 | JeffM | what compiler do you have for windows? |
| 05:14.31 | pacman87 | none yet |
| 05:14.46 | pacman87 | my programming background is java |
| 05:14.56 | JeffM | visual C++ 2005 express edition |
| 05:15.08 | JeffM | what plug-in do you want to build that isn't included in the bins? |
| 05:15.26 | pacman87 | logDetail |
| 05:15.51 | pacman87 | and recompile timedctf to start with the timer off by default |
| 05:16.39 | JeffM | whoever wrote log detail didn't do such a good job |
| 05:16.56 | pacman87 | thanks for the warning |
| 05:17.05 | JeffM | I mean it won't compile |
| 05:17.08 | JeffM | on any OS |
| 05:17.14 | pacman87 | how do you suggest i get a server log? |
| 05:17.30 | JeffM | you wait a moment for me to fix it and build a binary |
| 05:17.41 | pacman87 | lol |
| 05:17.49 | JeffM | 2.0 right? |
| 05:17.55 | pacman87 | yeha |
| 05:17.57 | pacman87 | yeah |
| 05:18.00 | pacman87 | 2.0.10 |
| 05:19.41 | pacman87 | i found a dll of Theme97's logger |
| 05:19.52 | pacman87 | haven't tried it yet |
| 05:23.26 | JeffM | code is fixed, building it now |
| 05:23.43 | JeffM | tho it seems the CIA is slow |
| 05:24.35 | JeffM | how the heck does the word "and" compile in C++ instead of && on linux? |
| 05:24.49 | DTRemenak | gnu extensions |
| 05:25.18 | JeffM | somone made extensions do to that? |
| 05:25.25 | JeffM | that's like javaesqe |
| 05:25.33 | DTRemenak | fortranesque iirc |
| 05:25.39 | JeffM | in the middle of C++? |
| 05:25.44 | DTRemenak | mhm |
| 05:25.49 | DTRemenak | don't look at me, I turn them off :) |
| 05:26.11 | JeffM | wierd |
| 05:26.35 | JeffM | I had no responce to the error in the compiler other then "well yeah, duh" |
| 05:26.46 | JeffM | did you have to change the battery DTRemenak ? |
| 05:28.08 | JeffM | pacman87: http://www.opencombat.net/code/bz/logDetail.zip |
| 05:28.18 | pacman87 | thanks :) |
| 05:29.48 | JeffM | now for timed CTF when did you want it to start the timer? |
| 05:29.57 | JeffM | it starts it when there is more then one team |
| 05:30.10 | DTRemenak | nope, got home fine |
| 05:30.45 | Constitution | brlcad: what's the status on the release of the mac binary? I had users on Panther (PPC), Tiger (PPC & Intel), and Leopard (PPC and Intel) all test the binary I built, and no problems were reported |
| 05:30.56 | JeffM | I think what you want is enabled to be defaulted to false |
| 05:31.23 | Constitution | although the send custom sound thing that is now fixed on some OS's still apparently crashes the Mac builds |
| 05:31.37 | JeffM | http://www.opencombat.net/code/bz/timedctf_offatstart.zip |
| 05:31.53 | pacman87 | JeffM: i think the only change is line 27 from true to false |
| 05:32.07 | JeffM | is it the line that says 'enabled'? |
| 05:32.11 | pacman87 | yeah |
| 05:32.18 | JeffM | then that's in that build |
| 05:32.24 | pacman87 | ok, thanks |
| 05:32.38 | Constitution | bz_sendPlayCustomLocalSound(), that is |
| 05:33.04 | JeffM | Constitution: in 2 or 3? |
| 05:33.33 | CIA-2 | BZFlag: 03JeffM2501 * r16270 10/trunk/bzflag/plugins/logDetail/logDetail.cpp: the word 'and' is not a valid C++ keyword replacement for &&, this is not java, how did this even compile? |
| 05:33.47 | JeffM | wow.. slow |
| 05:33.50 | JeffM | and missing one. |
| 05:33.57 | Constitution | JeffM: 2.0.10 mac build |
| 05:34.06 | Constitution | delusional reported it |
| 05:34.14 | JeffM | yeah it was never fully fixed in 2.0 |
| 05:34.28 | JeffM | that's why the API fucntion was pulled ( or should have been ) |
| 05:34.37 | JeffM | it's a known issue that's been resolved in trunk |
| 05:34.44 | JeffM | no plug-ins should call it |
| 05:35.00 | Constitution | okay |
| 05:37.57 | JeffM | tho I guess that wasn't comunicated well in the API |
| 05:38.08 | JeffM | it's basicly in the same boat as the score setting thing |
| 05:38.24 | JeffM | it didn't work so we decided to fix it in the proto break |
| 05:38.34 | JeffM | but looks like some plug-ins tried to use it |
| 05:38.50 | JeffM | and by the looks of it, had issues, they all tied it to a boolean to turn it off ;) |
| 05:45.19 | JeffM | trunk will probably still have issues, the sound resource system should be redone to search in both the resource dir (/data,whatever ) as well as a user dir that overides the installed one. |
| 05:45.26 | JeffM | that way we can do per user downloaded sounds |
| 05:45.29 | JeffM | just like textures |
| 05:47.20 | brlcad | Constitution: I was actually under the impression that you were working on the dmg since you hadn't asked :) |
| 05:48.11 | brlcad | if you're not, or if you want me to bundle it up, just lemme know |
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| 06:33.03 | pacman87 | how do i set the include path in VC? |
| 06:33.19 | JeffM | what version do you have? |
| 06:33.30 | pacman87 | 2005 |
| 06:33.47 | JeffM | tools -> options -> projects -> VC++ directories |
| 06:34.11 | pacman87 | thanks |
| 06:34.31 | JeffM | then use the pulldowns to change to include and libs |
| 06:36.33 | pacman87 | thanks |
| 06:36.52 | pacman87 | compiling was successful |
| 06:39.30 | pacman87 | the timedctf.dll you sent me had both the timer and fairctf off by default |
| 06:39.42 | pacman87 | i changed fairCTF to true |
| 06:39.46 | pacman87 | recompiled |
| 06:39.51 | pacman87 | and now it does what i want |
| 06:41.07 | JeffM | fun |
| 06:41.13 | JeffM | not many people host servers on windows |
| 06:53.37 | pacman87 | yeah, my computer is getting old |
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| 06:53.50 | pacman87 | starting to think about a replacement |
| 06:54.05 | pacman87 | then i can convert this one to linux full time |
| 06:54.19 | findlay | what do you guys recommend for a Linux graphics card? |
| 06:54.47 | JeffM | one that works |
| 06:54.56 | JeffM | all depends on how picky you are about drivers |
| 06:54.59 | JeffM | you ok with non free |
| 06:55.21 | findlay | marginally |
| 06:55.32 | JeffM | then nvidia |
| 06:55.40 | findlay | thought so |
| 06:55.52 | pacman87 | yeah, i've got a geforce 6200 pci card |
| 06:56.07 | pacman87 | my MB's too old to have pciE |
| 06:56.10 | JeffM | if you want free, then don't bother, for 3d they will all ahve some issues |
| 06:56.30 | findlay | I have a 6100 with 256MiB and it's about 10 X worse than my old geforce4 AGP |
| 06:56.36 | JeffM | or just stick with intell onboard |
| 06:56.41 | findlay | which only had 64 MB |
| 06:56.45 | JeffM | yeah the 6100 is a value card |
| 06:56.52 | findlay | sure is :) |
| 06:56.52 | JeffM | it's not meant to be fast |
| 06:56.56 | JeffM | it's meant to be cheap |
| 06:57.16 | findlay | well, it's onboard, after all |
| 06:58.02 | pacman87 | my integrated gfx was horrible playing bzflag in linux |
| 06:58.11 | pacman87 | intel 845 |
| 06:58.23 | findlay | pacman87: how new? |
| 06:58.34 | JeffM | they arn't meant to be fast ether |
| 06:58.37 | pacman87 | lol |
| 06:58.52 | pacman87 | i think it's around 3.5 yrs old now |
| 06:59.43 | findlay | hm |
| 06:59.53 | findlay | ever heard of the open graphics project? |
| 07:00.16 | findlay | they're pretty close to putting a card out |
| 07:00.34 | pacman87 | ordered 09/09/2004 |
| 07:00.47 | pacman87 | so 3.25 years |
| 07:02.53 | pacman87 | a few weeks ago my gfx card's fan started getting really noisy |
| 07:03.08 | pacman87 | it takes 12 volts |
| 07:03.31 | pacman87 | so i wired it into the 5 volt line from a spare HD power plug |
| 07:03.41 | pacman87 | to slow it down so its quieter |
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| 11:52.17 | Constitution | brlcad: oh, oops |
| 11:54.29 | brlcad | :) |
| 11:54.58 | Constitution | I don't really have a suitable mac for developing or packaging stuff on right now... I'm interested in the packaging process, but perhaps for efficiency's sake you could package it up? |
| 11:55.23 | brlcad | yeah, I was thinking that last night after your message |
| 11:56.09 | Constitution | okay then |
| 11:57.21 | brlcad | any reason to *not* use the binary in your dmg? |
| 11:58.06 | Constitution | such as? |
| 12:01.44 | Constitution | JeffM keeps saying that you do "special things" to the configure and build process to improve compatibility... if that's the case, then I guess I didn't do any of that. |
| 12:10.25 | brlcad | mostly things for 10.2 and 10.3 compatibility |
| 12:11.07 | brlcad | but I think that can be obviated for this release, if it works sufficiently then good enough -- one less thing to do |
| 12:11.13 | brlcad | one less set of things to do |
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| 12:22.09 | whodaman- | brlcad, I just bought an intel macbook running 10.5.x and I've been having some problems with BZ |
| 12:22.49 | whodaman- | I tried all of the mac builds and it's all done the same thing |
| 12:24.39 | whodaman- | Sometimes while driving backwards everything acts like I'm at 5000 feet |
| 12:24.59 | whodaman- | When I turn things start duplicating and going crazy |
| 12:26.49 | whodaman- | Also, going near a fence/wall at the edge of a map makes the wall just disappear |
| 12:27.09 | whodaman- | All of this just happens randomly, there is no pattern |
| 12:28.33 | whodaman- | the RC3 tar.gz has worked best so far |
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| 14:47.46 | whodaman- | Well, I'm having the same problems with 2.0.8 |
| 14:47.55 | whodaman- | So it's either Leopard or my laptop |
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| 15:31.34 | Macrosoft | comcast is sucking again today |
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| 16:29.25 | gren | Hi(Witam) |
| 16:29.46 | TheRedBaron | lepoulpe303 ! |
| 16:30.04 | lepoulpe303 | hey baron :) |
| 16:30.08 | Macrosoft | gah! flash player doesnt work on 64bit ubuntu |
| 16:30.44 | TheRedBaron | lepoulpe303: long time, no see |
| 16:30.53 | lepoulpe303 | i often idle here :) |
| 16:31.02 | gren | I have problem with just registred nick. i cannot login to bzF server and play. Pls hlp |
| 16:31.12 | lepoulpe303 | TheRedBaron: got my level 45 on idlerpg today ;) |
| 16:32.21 | Macrosoft | gren: ask donny |
| 16:33.27 | TheRedBaron | lepoulpe303: ah, i haven't been in here for a while |
| 16:33.36 | gren | Macrosoft: donnt dont answered. u yess |
| 16:34.23 | trepan | Macrosoft: apt-get install flashplugin-nonfree |
| 16:35.31 | Macrosoft | trepan: yeah, i have it, but its buggy |
| 16:35.54 | findlay | gnash-svn works sometimes |
| 16:36.00 | findlay | and other times it crashes X |
| 16:36.07 | Macrosoft | the controls for the video are screwed up |
| 16:39.22 | gren | Macrosoft. |
| 16:39.45 | Macrosoft | gren |
| 16:40.19 | gren | nvrmnd. bye (thx 4hlp) |
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| 16:50.33 | Macrosoft | where was it bzflag's textures and stuff is stored? |
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| 16:50.58 | Macrosoft | its /usr/share/bzflag or something, right? |
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| 16:51.44 | blast007 | Macrosoft: use the search feature on your computer ;) |
| 16:52.19 | findlay | depends on your distro probably |
| 16:59.24 | CIA-2 | BZFlag: 03JeffM2501 * r16271 10/trunk/bzflag/DEVINFO: |
| 16:59.24 | CIA-2 | BZFlag: mention that it's bad to use compiler extensions. |
| 16:59.24 | CIA-2 | BZFlag: mention that anything compiler specific needs to be able to be #def'd out in config.h |
| 16:59.25 | CIA-2 | BZFlag: mention that bzflag is cross platform so be generic when you can. |
| 16:59.46 | JeffM2501 | that 'and' thing still bugs me |
| 17:08.20 | Thumper_ | Hi JeffM2501 - sorry about that - too much Python and other languages :( wasn't on purpose. |
| 17:08.54 | Thumper_ | the linux build should probably disable extensions (however we do that) |
| 17:08.56 | JeffM2501 | I'm just suprised it compiled :) |
| 17:09.00 | Thumper_ | me 2 |
| 17:09.02 | JeffM2501 | I think it's a per user thing |
| 17:09.09 | JeffM2501 | but yeah if the build can do it, it should |
| 17:09.28 | Thumper_ | I'm just doing the regular ./autogen.sh && ./configure && make |
| 17:09.29 | JeffM2501 | I mean the info should go into the devinfo anyway |
| 17:09.47 | JeffM2501 | there are other things other compilers could do |
| 17:09.54 | JeffM2501 | as well as OS specific API calls, etc... |
| 17:10.05 | Thumper_ | thx for fixing it |
| 17:10.07 | JeffM2501 | DTRemenak, said he had his turned off |
| 17:10.13 | Chestal | 'and' is a perfectly valid C++ keyword |
| 17:10.15 | JeffM2501 | so I think it's a gcc config thing |
| 17:10.21 | JeffM2501 | it is? |
| 17:10.26 | Chestal | yep |
| 17:10.30 | JeffM2501 | for && ? |
| 17:10.43 | Chestal | for & I think |
| 17:10.49 | Chestal | eh, no, for && |
| 17:10.57 | Chestal | not that I use them myself |
| 17:11.24 | JeffM2501 | is it rather new? |
| 17:11.41 | DTRemenak | "C++ defines keywords to act as aliases for a number of symbols that function as operators: and (&&), bitand (&), and_eq (&=), or (||), bitor (|), or_eq (|=), xor (^), xor_eq (^=), not (!), not_eq (!=), compl (~)." |
| 17:11.52 | DTRemenak | in straight c it's a gnu extension |
| 17:12.02 | DTRemenak | in c++ it's iso-approved |
| 17:12.13 | JeffM2501 | wonder why VC didn't get that |
| 17:12.16 | Thumper_ | looks like and == && |
| 17:12.21 | DTRemenak | 'cause it's stupid :) |
| 17:12.27 | JeffM2501 | maybe it's just cus I'm using 7.1 |
| 17:12.29 | DTRemenak | the standard, I mean :) |
| 17:12.32 | JeffM2501 | heh |
| 17:12.54 | DTRemenak | if you have iso646.h it'll define them |
| 17:13.11 | DTRemenak | but "don't use them" seems like a better solution to me ;) |
| 17:13.16 | JeffM2501 | yeah |
| 17:13.41 | JeffM2501 | well I didn't mention that specificly in the dev info |
| 17:13.59 | JeffM2501 | I said don't use compiler specific extensions, and to be nice to other OSs |
| 17:14.48 | JeffM2501 | I mean we could add that header to the config.h |
| 17:16.18 | JeffM2501 | well not YOUR bug, my bug you found and reported :) |
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| 17:38.27 | JeffM2501 | and the science gets done, and you make a neat gun |
| 17:41.18 | blast007 | :) |
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| 18:14.33 | ts | What happens if a players IP-adress changes while he's connected to a bzflag server? |
| 18:15.04 | ts | e.g. load balancing routers |
| 18:15.49 | findlay | your score drops 50 points |
| 18:16.03 | findlay | and you lose your flag :) |
| 18:20.17 | JeffM2501 | I don't think that can happen with out the connection geting lost |
| 18:20.29 | JeffM2501 | load ballencers work connectionless protcolls |
| 18:20.31 | JeffM2501 | like http |
| 18:20.48 | JeffM2501 | they'd drop and then reconnect |
| 18:21.17 | JeffM2501 | unless sockets can dynamicly adapt to that |
| 18:23.33 | JeffM2501 | ts, do you have a load ballancing system that we can test on? |
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| 18:50.37 | Erroneous | load balancers will not change the ip, just the route used to reach the ip |
| 18:51.26 | Erroneous | and they do work on connection-based protocols (one of the "normal" causes of momentary jitter is switching routes) |
| 18:51.42 | JeffM2501 | but if they don't change the IP then we are cool |
| 18:52.00 | JeffM2501 | the only way I could see the IP changing is on a disconnect |
| 18:57.55 | JeffM2501 | HAPPY BIRTHDAY Erroneous !!!!!! ;) |
| 18:58.00 | JeffM2501 | we are taking you to lunch today |
| 18:58.27 | Erroneous | heh |
| 18:58.34 | JeffM2501 | some place with the pasta |
| 18:59.00 | JeffM2501 | yeah, amparo knows them all, and sends us an e-mail |
| 18:59.04 | JeffM2501 | so your screwed |
| 18:59.06 | JeffM2501 | 23? |
| 18:59.11 | Erroneous | 22 |
| 18:59.12 | JeffM2501 | ahh |
| 18:59.14 | JeffM2501 | off by one |
| 18:59.24 | Erroneous | common error in this proffession ;) |
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| 19:03.38 | Macrosoft_ | ~ping |
| 19:03.39 | ibot | pong |
| 19:03.46 | Macrosoft_ | yay |
| 19:04.24 | JeffM2501 | Erroneous, acordng to jp there will be on cake for your birthday, because the cake is a lie |
| 19:04.33 | Erroneous | heh |
| 19:04.53 | Erroneous | but...my sister-in-law wrote me an email saying I should eat *lots* of cake! :) |
| 19:05.15 | Erroneous | (and mentioning that I will likely be an uncle tomorrow) |
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| 19:06.24 | JeffM2501 | nice |
| 19:06.59 | JeffM2501 | macaronii grill, buca-de-pepo's? or anywhere else you want to g? |
| 19:07.44 | Erroneous | I dunno anywhere around here. pick a place :) |
| 19:07.56 | JeffM2501 | it's your day, you get to pick |
| 19:08.19 | Erroneous | pasta is a good theme |
| 19:08.24 | JeffM2501 | wood ranch is not your favorite |
| 19:10.36 | JeffM2501 | ok, so for an expermental techinology, this is a prety cool name "plasma wakefield acceleration" |
| 19:13.07 | ts | JeffM2501: I'm getting a router that can do load balancing..but I only have one WAN input here |
| 19:13.23 | JeffM2501 | if it dosn't change the IP, we should not are |
| 19:13.24 | JeffM2501 | care |
| 19:13.41 | JeffM2501 | if it changes the IP, I can't see how it would do that with out droping the connection |
| 19:14.07 | ts | happy birthday Erroneous |
| 19:14.26 | ts | JeffM2501: Two connections from two different ISPs -> different IP adresses |
| 19:15.01 | *** topic/#bzflag by JeffM2501 -> http://BZFlag.org || http://cia.vc/stats/project/BZFlag || http://my.BZFlag.org/w/Getting_Help || logs at http://ibot.rikers.org/#bzflag || http://ohloh.net/projects/189 || http://my.bzflag.org/w/ || 2.0.10 is out. || http://www.linkedin.com/e/gis/45019/37A4F10F2697 | happy birthday erroneous/dtremenak |
| 19:15.06 | Erroneous | urg |
| 19:15.11 | *** topic/#bzflag by Erroneous -> http://BZFlag.org || http://cia.vc/stats/project/BZFlag || http://my.BZFlag.org/w/Getting_Help || logs at http://ibot.rikers.org/#bzflag || http://ohloh.net/projects/189 || http://my.bzflag.org/w/ || 2.0.10 is out. || http://www.linkedin.com/e/gis/45019/37A4F10F2697 |
| 19:15.30 | JeffM2501 | ts, I still stand by my statement, if it changes IPs I can't see how it would not drop the connection |
| 19:15.32 | ts | They recomment to bind certain protocols like https to only one IP |
| 19:15.50 | JeffM2501 | yeah probably because it drops connection on a swap |
| 19:15.57 | Erroneous | bzfs will only send packets to one |
| 19:16.00 | ts | JeffM2501: I didn't said it wouldn't drop..I just asked what will happen |
| 19:16.07 | Erroneous | and will reject packets not sent from that one |
| 19:16.15 | JeffM2501 | if it drops you disconnect from bzfs, and yeah we reject the others |
| 19:16.38 | Erroneous | but it's a single tcp connection, so it should keep it up |
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| 20:19.34 | Macrosoft | ~ping |
| 20:19.34 | ibot | pong |
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| 21:09.53 | Constitution | BZBB admins: got a double post at http://my.bzflag.org/bb/viewtopic.php?t=11909 ... and imho, it's starting to develop into a flamewar |
| 21:10.08 | Winny | hi Constitution! |
| 21:10.15 | Winny | how's my favourite person ever? |
| 21:10.39 | eTangenT | Winny: You scare me sometimes. |
| 21:10.47 | Constitution | eTangenT: how are you? ;) |
| 21:10.47 | Winny | eTangenT: goodie! |
| 21:10.49 | blast007 | eTangenT: just sometimes? |
| 21:10.58 | Winny | perhaps we should retreat to #divi? :p |
| 21:11.28 | blast007 | Constitution: I would, but I blocked my access from work ;) |
| 21:11.30 | eTangenT | Winny: You and <insert person I don't like here> can go have your fun there, I'll stay here. |
| 21:11.36 | Winny | blast007: hmm |
| 21:11.43 | eTangenT | Constitution: Got a final today. Foundations in Programming. |
| 21:11.46 | Constitution | blast007: heh, I see |
| 21:11.49 | Winny | I think that map is a ripoff of something sid6.7 made a while ago, really. |
| 21:11.52 | eTangenT | Should be easy. My midterms there were a 90 and a 99 |
| 21:11.56 | Winny | lemme look it up i my map lib.. one sec |
| 21:11.59 | Constitution | eTangenT: good luck |
| 21:12.17 | Constitution | I need a 98% on my precalc final to get an A... working hard :) |
| 21:12.38 | eTangenT | Constitution: Have fun! |
| 21:12.49 | eTangenT | whoa |
| 21:12.51 | eTangenT | WOW |
| 21:12.57 | eTangenT | I need to visit bzbb more often |
| 21:13.09 | eTangenT | I can get quite a laugh from SirIchBeenCool |
| 21:13.17 | Winny | eTangenT: silver surfer is fun too. |
| 21:13.18 | Constitution | indeed |
| 21:13.30 | eTangenT | "Please at least try to act smart here!" - SIBC |
| 21:13.50 | eTangenT | What's AFTER that makes it even better. |
| 21:14.15 | Winny | blast007: mind if I send silver surfer a PM about his rather silly posts? |
| 21:14.17 | Constitution | yeah interesting fellow |
| 21:14.29 | eTangenT | "p.s. JeffM should qoute me and put this somewhere important for people to read....That would be cool..." |
| 21:14.39 | awilcox | LOL |
| 21:14.40 | blast007 | Winny: as long as it's not mean |
| 21:14.41 | eTangenT | WOW |
| 21:14.49 | Winny | blast007: indeed |
| 21:14.51 | Constitution | ~DTRemenak++ |
| 21:14.54 | awilcox | eTangenT: amazing |
| 21:15.04 | eTangenT | Hey JeffM2501, if you don't quote me being stupid somewhere on bzbb, I WILL... |
| 21:15.06 | eTangenT | uh. |
| 21:15.11 | eTangenT | BE STUPIDER! |
| 21:15.22 | awilcox | wow |
| 21:15.29 | whodaman- | lol |
| 21:15.41 | whodaman- | yeah, those too are truly blessed with brains |
| 21:15.42 | awilcox | um that's perfect to quote as being stupid ;) |
| 21:15.43 | JeffM2501 | all of you are being stupid right now |
| 21:15.45 | whodaman- | *two |
| 21:16.04 | awilcox | yes eTangenT: can you lay off the pinging of people? |
| 21:16.25 | eTangenT | awilcox: What pinging? |
| 21:16.40 | eTangenT | I haven't pinged anyone all day, afaik |
| 21:16.49 | awilcox | eTangenT: you are constantly pinging Jeff with those quotes...maybe you could edit it when you paste and say [Jeff] |
| 21:16.52 | Winny | every time you say someone's name you ping them |
| 21:16.58 | eTangenT | meh |
| 21:17.05 | JeffM2501 | huh? |
| 21:17.30 | awilcox | eTangenT: for example. you pinged me when you said "awilcox:" |
| 21:17.34 | eTangenT | _I_ am not responsible for people being highlighted by that... my apologies. I'll replace every name with "Constitution," because he needs to be pinged more. |
| 21:17.40 | eTangenT | :) |
| 21:17.45 | awilcox | hahahahaha |
| 21:17.53 | Constitution | right |
| 21:17.59 | Winny | guys, gettng massive OT, maybe head to bzchat |
| 21:18.18 | eTangenT | Winny: Or divi, I'll see you there anyways |
| 21:37.37 | JeffM2501 | it looks like he was somewhat confused and it's been fixed. |
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| 21:51.12 | delusional | ~pastebin |
| 21:51.13 | ibot | [~pastebin] A "pastebin" is a web-based service where you can paste anything over 3 lines without flooding the channel. Here are links to a few : http://www.pastebin.com , http://pastebin.ca , http://channels.debian.net/paste , http://paste.lisp.org , http://www.rafb.net/paste |
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| 22:27.52 | Macrosoft | has mofo always allowed bots? |
| 22:28.36 | L4m3r | we allow autopilot, not bots |
| 22:28.37 | donny | no |
| 22:29.07 | L4m3r | if someone's on auto too long, they get kicked. likewise, -solo bots are kicked on sight, if not on join by the botKicker plugin :P |
| 22:40.44 | findlay | where's a good howto on running a bzflag server |
| 22:40.53 | findlay | s/m/n/ |
| 22:41.26 | Macrosoft | findlay: try this: http://my.bzflag.org/bb/search.php?sid=2cbac46c00fea4b23c4ad3bbb6085e32 |
| 22:43.18 | JeffM2501 | there is also the wiki |
| 22:43.27 | JeffM2501 | how much bandwith do you have? |
| 22:44.52 | Macrosoft | link to the wiki: http://my.bzflag.org/w/Main_Page |
| 22:45.16 | findlay | 14 Mib up and down |
| 22:45.20 | findlay | each |
| 22:45.28 | JeffM2501 | fun |
| 22:45.33 | findlay | yeah |
| 22:45.49 | JeffM2501 | bandwith is not the thing that makes a good server, but it helps |
| 22:45.50 | Macrosoft | findlay: who's your isp? |
| 22:46.14 | findlay | Macrosoft: mstar, but as soon as xmission gets on iProvo, I'm switching :) |
| 22:46.20 | Macrosoft | JeffM2501: yeah, comcast latency has been horrible the past few days |
| 22:49.30 | findlay | I feel spoiled with all this bandwidth, so to be altruistic I've been seeding about 100 distro torrents for the past few weeks :) |
| 22:50.19 | Macrosoft | blast007: you have wobbly windows enabled on compiz? |
| 22:52.25 | blast007 | Macrosoft: yes |
| 22:53.00 | findlay | http://my.bzflag.org/w/Category:Server looks pretty helpful |
| 22:53.19 | blast007 | the bzfs man page should be of help too, as well as 'bzfs -help' at a terminal |
| 22:53.52 | pacman87 | JeffM2501: could i have the source to the fixed logDetail plugin? |
| 22:56.10 | JeffM2501 | it's in svn |
| 22:56.18 | pacman87 | ok, thanks |
| 22:57.04 | JeffM2501 | Macrosoft, I was meaning that admin and server setup is much more important then bandwtih |
| 22:57.10 | JeffM2501 | band bandwtih can ruin a server |
| 22:57.29 | JeffM2501 | but so can a crap server that isnt' admined that has good bandwtih |
| 22:57.40 | Macrosoft | well yeah, bandwtih is bad, but bandwidth is good :P |
| 22:57.56 | JeffM2501 | again you miss the point |
| 22:58.03 | JeffM2501 | lack of bandwith is bad |
| 22:58.11 | JeffM2501 | but bandwith does not automaticly make it good |
| 23:02.35 | Macrosoft | blast007: what was the name of that app to configure compiz? |
| 23:02.47 | blast007 | I forget |
| 23:02.50 | blast007 | I use the menu :P |
| 23:02.53 | jorgenpt | Hm |
| 23:02.59 | jorgenpt | I need to work on bzrobots soon. |
| 23:05.07 | pacman87 | give the zombies machine guns |
| 23:05.11 | Macrosoft | ...maybe make it a server mod instead of a plugin |
| 23:05.24 | A_Heart_Attack | blast007: i need some help with my irc bot. May i pm you? |
| 23:05.31 | pacman87 | or steamroller |
| 23:05.32 | blast007 | A_Heart_Attack: I guess |
| 23:08.26 | jorgenpt | Macrosoft: zombie game mode? |
| 23:08.59 | Macrosoft | jorgenpt: same as infection on halo |
| 23:09.16 | L4m3r | just wait for 2.2 and it can be done more easily |
| 23:09.18 | jorgenpt | Not tried :( |
| 23:09.24 | L4m3r | current mode is too wacky |
| 23:10.12 | *** join/#bzflag Usiu (n=Mashuu@72.81.datacomsa.pl) |
| 23:10.16 | Usiu | Hi |
| 23:10.24 | Usiu | does bzflag work slower on sdl than on OpenGL ? |
| 23:10.29 | Usiu | how to compile with OpenGL only |
| 23:10.40 | Usiu | and what options should I pass to compile to tune it for pentium 4 |
| 23:10.42 | a_meteorite | BZFlag will only compile with OGL present |
| 23:10.54 | Usiu | a_meteorite, what sdl does then? |
| 23:10.58 | a_meteorite | Usiu: Use the standard CXXFLAGS that you always use for optimizing your P4 |
| 23:11.17 | Usiu | a_meteorite, which one you suggest -ffastmath ? |
| 23:11.26 | a_meteorite | SDL is used for sound and windowing support, IIRC |
| 23:11.27 | Erroneous | sdl is used for window management only |
| 23:11.34 | Erroneous | yeah, and sound/input |
| 23:11.43 | Erroneous | all drawing is in opengl |
| 23:11.47 | a_meteorite | Yes |
| 23:12.01 | Usiu | then -O3 -mtune=pentium4 -mmmx -msse -msse2 -fomit-frame-pointer -ffast-math |
| 23:12.04 | Usiu | should be fine ? |
| 23:12.26 | jorgenpt | Wow, are you a gentoo user? |
| 23:12.30 | a_meteorite | Yes. Be aware though that I found -O3 on my G5 slightly unstable |
| 23:12.30 | Usiu | no |
| 23:12.34 | Usiu | jorgenpt, debian |
| 23:12.35 | a_meteorite | http://gentoo-wiki.com/Safe_Cflags is a good read |
| 23:12.44 | Usiu | jorgenpt, but my bzflag lags a lot |
| 23:12.46 | a_meteorite | jorgenpt: I optimize and I have never used Gentoo |
| 23:12.54 | a_meteorite | Usiu: then don't expect optimizing it to help |
| 23:12.59 | JeffM2501 | Usiu, compiler optmisiations won't speed up rendering that much |
| 23:13.02 | a_meteorite | I'd make sure you have a capable graphics card |
| 23:13.05 | a_meteorite | And the right drivers |
| 23:13.09 | JeffM2501 | the biggest incrase to rendering is hardware |
| 23:13.14 | Erroneous | bzflag performance is tied to two things: graphics card/drivers, and network performance |
| 23:13.16 | Usiu | a_meteorite, sorry its laptop |
| 23:13.18 | jorgenpt | a_meteorite: Hehe, well, it's just stereotypical of a Gentoo-user to dump a crapload of compilerflags to get mad l33t performance. ;) |
| 23:13.21 | Erroneous | it's not all that heavy on cpu |
| 23:13.31 | JeffM2501 | Usiu, what card do you have? |
| 23:13.33 | jorgenpt | a_meteorite: I usually trust my compiler and only use the -O-flags. ;-) |
| 23:13.46 | jorgenpt | Anyway, good night. Exam tomorrow. Sigh. |
| 23:13.49 | a_meteorite | jorgenpt: GCC cares more about compatible code than fast code |
| 23:13.52 | JeffM2501 | even a laptop has a video chipset |
| 23:13.53 | findlay | blast007: well I knew about the bzfs man page. Mainly I'm interested in how people seem to be coping with the demands of hosting a server. I can probably construct a reasonable environment by reading the man page, but that may not tell me there all there is to know about cheaters and other human effects, etc. |
| 23:13.53 | Usiu | 00:02.0 VGA compatible controller: Intel Corporation 82845G/GL[Brookdale-G]/GE Chipset Integrated Graphics Device (rev 03) |
| 23:14.03 | JeffM2501 | Usiu, then it's going to be slowish |
| 23:14.04 | Usiu | and I have Direct Rendering |
| 23:14.09 | JeffM2501 | that's as good as it gets |
| 23:14.20 | blast007 | findlay: most of that will just be from experience and patience ;) |
| 23:14.22 | JeffM2501 | 845s aren't spead deamons |
| 23:14.31 | JeffM2501 | turn down the graphical settings in BZ, that's about it |
| 23:14.37 | Usiu | JeffM2501, well this game tends to be faster |
| 23:14.44 | jorgenpt | a_meteorite: How often do you need to squeeze the last tenth of a percent of performance out of a program? |
| 23:14.47 | jorgenpt | ;-) |
| 23:14.50 | jorgenpt | Good night, though! |
| 23:14.59 | Usiu | JeffM2501, its just to simple enemy territory (not GW) works smoooth |
| 23:14.59 | Erroneous | if anything, you should look at optimizing dri |
| 23:15.05 | findlay | blast007: thanks :) |
| 23:15.24 | JeffM2501 | Usiu, difrent games do difrent things |
| 23:15.32 | JeffM2501 | all you can do is change the settings |
| 23:15.34 | a_meteorite | jorgenpt: My computer is not a race horse, so whatever it takes :) |
| 23:15.41 | Usiu | JeffM2501, I did |
| 23:15.46 | JeffM2501 | there is no "make it amazingly fast" compiler setting |
| 23:15.49 | jorgenpt | a_meteorite: ^_^ |
| 23:15.54 | jorgenpt | Processing power is cheap! |
| 23:15.56 | JeffM2501 | if there was, we'd do that by default |
| 23:16.14 | Usiu | JeffM2501, I dont like gentoo cause its stupid to compile every binary |
| 23:16.19 | JeffM2501 | then don't use it |
| 23:16.31 | jorgenpt | JeffM2501: Aren't you using -frankly-this-optimisation-rocks?! |
| 23:16.42 | Erroneous | Usiu: run it in a profiler and see where it spends the time. I'm betting 70%+ will be in DRI or the intel drivers, so optimizing bzflag itself isn't gonna gain much |
| 23:17.00 | Erroneous | oprofile is your friend |
| 23:17.00 | JeffM2501 | jorgenpt, only for windows builds ;) |
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| 23:17.30 | JeffM2501 | our config.h sets the linuxsuckfactor to -2 |
| 23:17.42 | Erroneous | even on nvidia cards we end up spending 25-30% of the time in the drivers |
| 23:17.45 | TD-Linux | bzflag is network dependent for me |
| 23:17.50 | TD-Linux | with my fancy nvidia |
| 23:17.56 | JeffM2501 | yeah we mostly draw |
| 23:18.18 | Usiu | TD-Linux, I have 2mbit/1mbit |
| 23:18.36 | JeffM2501 | that's bandwith not latency |
| 23:18.43 | JeffM2501 | latency is the kicker |
| 23:19.11 | Usiu | JeffM2501, Well i have a problem because when I shot the rendering jumps |
| 23:19.19 | Erroneous | if you can play et on the net without problems bz won't give you problems on the net. et is far more latency-sensitive (though it has better compensation). |
| 23:19.39 | Usiu | Erroneous, yes I could |
| 23:19.47 | JeffM2501 | play with the settings but I'm thinking your card is slow on the blend modes we use |
| 23:20.02 | Usiu | maybe... |
| 23:20.08 | Usiu | I switch to experimental mode |
| 23:20.13 | Usiu | maybe thats a reason |
| 23:20.20 | JeffM2501 | or if you'd like to go get some of the id developers to work on bzflag to make it faster, that'd be fine too |
| 23:20.25 | JeffM2501 | expermenet needs real hardware |
| 23:20.30 | Erroneous | they do run their sim asynchronously from drawing |
| 23:20.33 | JeffM2501 | indeed |
| 23:20.37 | a_meteorite | Usiu: Sometimes new cards run the lower quality modes worse |
| 23:20.42 | Usiu | JeffM2501, Oh |
| 23:20.49 | Usiu | I will switch back then |
| 23:20.49 | a_meteorite | But I don't know what performance one should expect from yours |
| 23:20.50 | Erroneous | experimental uses display lists and such. you will want to turn it to medium or low. |
| 23:20.51 | Usiu | but... |
| 23:20.51 | JeffM2501 | but still if you can get johny to work on bz, all the better. |
| 23:20.55 | Usiu | during night I dont see shots |
| 23:20.59 | Usiu | its too dark |
| 23:21.04 | a_meteorite | Use the + and - keys |
| 23:21.11 | Usiu | and when I tune brigntness |
| 23:21.19 | Usiu | I dont see any shots on radar |
| 23:21.23 | a_meteorite | + and - artificially changes time of day |
| 23:21.24 | Usiu | maybe I a bit blind... |
| 23:21.55 | a_meteorite | I think there may be a config.cfg option to lock it in a certain time of day. I don't know for sure, though. |
| 23:22.14 | Usiu | a_meteorite, so I can change to day ? |
| 23:22.19 | Usiu | cool:) |
| 23:22.23 | Usiu | that's a solution |
| 23:22.24 | a_meteorite | Usiu: Yes, hold down either of those keys |
| 23:22.25 | Usiu | thanks |
| 23:22.41 | a_meteorite | And the sun (or moon) will either speed up or go back in time. :) |
| 23:23.01 | Usiu | ok |
| 23:23.08 | Usiu | good to know |
| 23:23.21 | Usiu | I will also switch back to previous mode I played on |
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| 23:25.38 | JeffM2501 | yes expermental is basicly what the next versions "high" will be |
| 23:25.53 | JeffM2501 | it represents where we would like to go |
| 23:26.07 | JeffM2501 | and the future is for GPUs |
| 23:26.45 | JeffM2501 | heh, that's better then an 845 |
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| 23:29.40 | Macrosoft | <---has a 845 too |
| 23:29.50 | TD-Linux | I mean, network kills my framerate |
| 23:29.53 | Tupone | hurry |
| 23:29.58 | TD-Linux | I get about two stalls a second |
| 23:29.59 | JeffM2501 | cool then you 2 can exchange phone numbers and meet somewhere and have a little club |
| 23:30.03 | TD-Linux | making bzflag unplayable |
| 23:30.04 | JeffM2501 | and walk aroudn holding hands. |
| 23:30.26 | TD-Linux | at least, I think it's my network |
| 23:30.43 | JeffM2501 | what does your frame rate get down to? |
| 23:30.50 | TD-Linux | my frame rate is like 200 |
| 23:30.51 | TD-Linux | fps |
| 23:30.52 | TD-Linux | but |
| 23:30.52 | JeffM2501 | and you can test it, run on a local server |
| 23:31.00 | Winny | TD-Linux: it got fixed on my by disabling aniso |
| 23:31.04 | Macrosoft | TD-Linux: my nic must be on crack, it thinks its connected to a 10mbit network |
| 23:31.08 | Winny | s/my/mine |
| 23:31.08 | JeffM2501 | everyone jumps around? |
| 23:31.14 | TD-Linux | no |
| 23:31.18 | TD-Linux | it stutters |
| 23:31.20 | JeffM2501 | 10bT is still slower then you need |
| 23:31.26 | TD-Linux | like, about twice a second, a frame takes a long time to render |
| 23:31.35 | JeffM2501 | that's probably CPU not network |
| 23:31.45 | JeffM2501 | something is grabing all the CPU time |
| 23:31.51 | TD-Linux | I have a dual-core |
| 23:31.59 | JeffM2501 | it's probalby other software or the OS |
| 23:32.06 | JeffM2501 | not a lack of resources |
| 23:32.10 | Macrosoft | TD-Linux: same problem, dual core, etc. |
| 23:32.11 | TD-Linux | probably the OS then |
| 23:32.18 | JeffM2501 | you running an smb kernel? |
| 23:32.22 | Macrosoft | TD-Linux: what os then |
| 23:32.23 | Macrosoft | ? |
| 23:32.52 | TD-Linux | linux |
| 23:32.56 | Macrosoft | JeffM2501: "smb"? |
| 23:32.59 | JeffM2501 | yes |
| 23:33.05 | JeffM2501 | are you running an SMB kernel |
| 23:33.29 | TD-Linux | SMP |
| 23:33.30 | Tupone | smp? |
| 23:33.30 | Usiu | gtg |
| 23:33.31 | Usiu | bye |
| 23:33.34 | TD-Linux | yes |
| 23:33.35 | JeffM2501 | sorry |
| 23:33.48 | JeffM2501 | Macrosoft, and why do you think I was asking you? |
| 23:33.48 | Macrosoft | what is smb? |
| 23:33.55 | JeffM2501 | smp is the coorect term |
| 23:33.59 | JeffM2501 | mulit CPU |
| 23:34.07 | JeffM2501 | TD-Linux, try asigning bz to one core |
| 23:34.11 | JeffM2501 | set an affinity |
| 23:34.16 | TD-Linux | okay |
| 23:34.34 | JeffM2501 | it could be that the OS is chucking you to another core |
| 23:34.35 | purple_cow | psh, dual core |
| 23:34.49 | Macrosoft | JeffM2501: mine has the same problem |
| 23:35.03 | Macrosoft | how do you set core affinity in linux? |
| 23:35.11 | JeffM2501 | Macrosoft, then if your not using a smp kernel, it dosn't matter |
| 23:35.27 | JeffM2501 | your generic kernel is only using one core |
| 23:35.52 | JeffM2501 | purple_cow, how many you up to now? |
| 23:36.15 | Macrosoft | JeffM2501: ive had the system monitor open, it uses both |
| 23:36.41 | JeffM2501 | then it should say SMP then IIRC |
| 23:36.54 | JeffM2501 | unless they changed the names and stuff |
| 23:37.05 | JeffM2501 | there shold be some way to asign it to one CPU |
| 23:37.07 | purple_cow | http://flickr.com/photos/davidtrowbridge/2086924273/ |
| 23:37.07 | JeffM2501 | when you run it |
| 23:37.38 | JeffM2501 | how do you like it? |
| 23:37.42 | Winny | purple_cow: gimmie |
| 23:37.51 | JeffM2501 | Winny, he actualy has a use for it |
| 23:38.45 | purple_cow | it's so great :) |
| 23:38.45 | JeffM2501 | considering where he works, and what he runs most days ;) |
| 23:38.53 | Winny | JeffM2501: you wouldn't concur it would be nice to have? :p |
| 23:38.55 | TD-Linux | JeffM2501: affinity seems to reduce the effect, but not eliminate it |
| 23:39.10 | TD-Linux | note that the jerky effect varies with number of tanks |
| 23:39.17 | TD-Linux | on an empty map, it's nonexistant |
| 23:39.17 | JeffM2501 | Winny, honestly, no I'd not want that as my personal machine |
| 23:39.34 | JeffM2501 | I'd go for a much faster dual core |
| 23:39.38 | findlay | heh, affine bzflag |
| 23:39.50 | JeffM2501 | 2 gig is the low end of the speed spectrum |
| 23:40.00 | JeffM2501 | and I don't do anything that woudl use 8 cores |
| 23:40.14 | JeffM2501 | I'd rather have 2 3 gig + cores and faster ram |
| 23:40.49 | Winny | quad core would be nice for http://www.indigorenderer.com/ |
| 23:41.02 | JeffM2501 | techincaly for games, my laptop is probalby faster then that thing ;) |
| 23:41.17 | JeffM2501 | yes for rendering that many cores would help |
| 23:41.25 | JeffM2501 | but as I said, you'd probalby run out of ram sooner |
| 23:41.42 | JeffM2501 | for the prioce you could get a bunch of networked machines that could render faster |
| 23:42.04 | JeffM2501 | for doing builds, his cores will help him a lot |
| 23:42.14 | JeffM2501 | for running a bunch of VMs his cores will help |
| 23:42.25 | JeffM2501 | the machine is perfect for his job |
| 23:42.30 | TD-Linux | I have 2.2 gig c2d, it's not the fastest things but it doesn't burn me either |
| 23:42.37 | purple_cow | well, the individual speed of each core is pretty good even though it's only 2 GHz |
| 23:42.38 | TD-Linux | in my laptop that is |
| 23:42.43 | purple_cow | since it's got so much cache |
| 23:42.46 | JeffM2501 | yeah |
| 23:42.50 | Winny | one thing I don't understand is, how on earth can a game like crysis render 30+ fps, while indigo delivers more or less the same image quality, and takes days |
| 23:43.02 | JeffM2501 | but I'm must saying for a personal machine, I'd want less cores more speed |
| 23:43.06 | TD-Linux | Winny, then indigo is lame |
| 23:43.13 | Winny | TD-Linux: no it's not! :p |
| 23:43.14 | JeffM2501 | Winny, resolution |
| 23:43.23 | TD-Linux | indigo is just an insanely slow renderer |
| 23:43.28 | JeffM2501 | and the "more or less" is more less then more |
| 23:43.43 | JeffM2501 | games use hacks to be fast |
| 23:43.50 | JeffM2501 | they look ok for the art they run thru them |
| 23:43.50 | Tupone | JeffM2501: why you wrote that note on DEVINFO? You saw code not following that? |
| 23:43.52 | TD-Linux | Winny, real-time games take a lot of shortcuts that you may not notice |
| 23:43.59 | purple_cow | at least with the way most software is written, fewer cores and more speed makes sense |
| 23:44.23 | TD-Linux | if you try glass, it's impossible to look realistic in crysis |
| 23:44.47 | JeffM2501 | Tupone, had a plug-in that used "and" instead of &&, later found out that "and" is C++ standard just not on in VC, but I figured it wasn't a bad thing to metntion anyway so I kept it in. |
| 23:45.23 | TD-Linux | Winny, try pov-ray or yafray, they give you excellent quality in about a minute... I still do not understand your obsession with indigo |
| 23:45.46 | TD-Linux | but I'll stop here |
| 23:46.57 | JeffM2501 | tho some renderes can now use shader programs and they can be very fast for screen type resolutions. |
| 23:46.59 | Tupone | I was just wondering why you put that. And I agree it should follow a "standard". Can you do a macro replacing "and" for VC with && ? |
| 23:47.21 | JeffM2501 | Tupone, or just change the code to be && :) |
| 23:47.24 | JeffM2501 | since it works in all places |
| 23:47.38 | JeffM2501 | I fixed the code |
| 23:47.43 | JeffM2501 | that was easy |
| 23:47.54 | JeffM2501 | just gave me a WTF moment cus I didn't think it was valid C++ |
| 23:48.11 | JeffM2501 | there is a VC header I could put into the windows config.h and we'd pick all those defines up |
| 23:48.23 | Tupone | ok. is M$ planning to update VC to a standard C++? |
| 23:48.34 | JeffM2501 | they may have allready |
| 23:48.43 | JeffM2501 | my compiler is 2 revisions old |
| 23:48.47 | Tupone | ahh |
| 23:48.51 | JeffM2501 | I didn't try it in 8 or 9 |
| 23:49.07 | JeffM2501 | but still other bits of the code used && |
| 23:49.17 | JeffM2501 | so it was odd to have it mixed |
| 23:49.47 | JeffM2501 | thats why I added the part that says if you have to use something that may not work, make sure it can be #defed in the configs, etc.. |
| 23:50.09 | JeffM2501 | I didn't see anywhere in the info where we mentioned it, so I figured it'd be good to have something in there. |
| 23:50.44 | JeffM2501 | we've all fallen into the trap of doing what works for our prefered OS befrore, even myself |
| 23:51.49 | JeffM2501 | don't forget to wish Erroneous/ DTRemenak a happy birthday ;) |
| 23:52.36 | Tupone | both? same days and same years? :) Happy Birthday to both |
| 23:53.33 | JeffM2501 | same day same time |
| 23:53.37 | JeffM2501 | same place |
| 23:53.39 | JeffM2501 | same mom |
| 23:53.43 | trepan | twins? |
| 23:53.50 | JeffM2501 | same person ;) |
| 23:54.06 | JeffM2501 | one's his work nick |
| 23:54.20 | Tupone | what is the working one? Erroneous? |
| 23:54.26 | trepan | siamese twins? |
| 23:54.28 | JeffM2501 | yeah usualy |
| 23:54.38 | JeffM2501 | we took him to lunch today |
| 23:54.45 | Tupone | And the other is vagabond :) |
| 23:54.54 | Winny | ~hapbir DTRemenak |
| 23:54.55 | ibot | ACTION sings a variant of Happy Birthday (to avoid royalty fees) to DTRemenak |
| 23:54.56 | Constitution | Happy Birthday, DTRemenak. |
| 23:59.43 | Macrosoft | TD-Linux: where did you get your krnel from? |
| 23:59.58 | Winny | he took it out of a bag of popcorn |