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| 00:00.59 | brlcad | hm, see the _p ones make no sense to me, that's what our third revision number is for |
| 00:01.40 | brlcad | that number is supposed to be able to iterate more frequently than it does |
| 00:05.46 | brlcad | hrm, I find the whole alpha/beta/rc naming scheme pretty arbitrary myself too .. more fluid (and simple) would be to just keep incrementing the patch number (patch increments quickly, e.g. 2.0.28), or add a fourth digit and increment off it (e.g. 2.0.9.8 would be the 8th proposed releasable iteration of 2.0.10) |
| 00:06.24 | brlcad | the original intent of the triplet was to do the first option, release frequently and just keep incrementing as needed. |
| 00:21.06 | JeffM | I think we need 4 didgest |
| 00:22.18 | JeffM | the problems I see with our current stuff is 1) no way to version testing releases before a maint update ( i.e. 2.0.9 for em all ) 2) no way to mark a new build of a binary that was jacked |
| 00:23.23 | JeffM | but then I also see NO reason to change anythign for 2.0.10, it's done let it go |
| 00:23.46 | JeffM | if somone wants to propse something for 2.1.x then by all means work up a proposal, there is time |
| 00:27.58 | Constitution | so with the current system, it would be improper to have a "2.0.9 alpha" or "2.0.5 beta"? |
| 00:28.17 | JeffM | those last words are not part of our documented system |
| 00:28.29 | JeffM | nor is how to handle an RC |
| 00:28.40 | JeffM | but I thik we need ways to handle RCs as I feel they do help |
| 00:28.51 | JeffM | unless ya all think that the .10 RCs did nothing? |
| 00:29.35 | Constitution | I think they did help |
| 00:30.15 | Constitution | but calling something a "release candidate" sounds like it's close to being ready for release, which might discourage the intense testing that we really need |
| 00:30.39 | JeffM | well if you have a system that can handle RCs, then it should handle betas just fine too :) |
| 00:31.32 | JeffM | the entire reason I extended our system was because there were times when people wanted beta versions to test ( mostly on windows ) and I needed a way to flag them ( they all can't be 2.0.5) |
| 00:31.44 | JeffM | so I did 2.0.5b1, b2, etc.. |
| 00:36.35 | Evelyk | n/window 10 |
| 00:36.40 | Evelyk | ugh... n disease |
| 00:44.38 | donny_baker | so on each release we would incliment the 2nd revision #? |
| 00:45.08 | donny_baker | ignore ^^^ wasn't scrolled all the way |
| 00:47.38 | brlcad | I don't think anyone's against the RC's .. just what that means version number wise |
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| 00:50.54 | brlcad | we're either incrementing the minor more frequently, i.e. each rc would have been a new even # minor (2.0.10, 2.0.12, 2.0.14, etc); or we're adding a suffix and using a defined naming convention (which is of course current practice, variation of previous letters); or using a "sub-patch" number to indicate revisions of the patch release (i.e. four digit) |
| 00:53.33 | brlcad | mm, and all viable. fun |
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| 01:03.13 | JeffM | yeah we coudl use the major version more as well |
| 01:03.27 | JeffM | make 2.2 be 3.0, that'd give us lots of wiggle room |
| 01:03.52 | JeffM | go and make each maint update be the minor, and then use the crap out of the revisions |
| 01:04.09 | thatexploding | 2.2 (or 3.0, whatever) is supposed to be a major release, right? |
| 01:04.40 | thatexploding | isnt the first number in the version supposed to be the "major version" number? |
| 01:04.49 | JeffM | yes |
| 01:05.00 | JeffM | we dont' realy use it like that, but yes |
| 01:05.15 | JeffM | we could have done 2.0.2 as 2.2.0, etc.. |
| 01:05.49 | JeffM | but then we'd have to use dev for 3.0.0 to be 2.9.0 I guess |
| 01:05.56 | JeffM | I dunno |
| 01:06.01 | thatexploding | or 3.0.0rc1 |
| 01:06.14 | JeffM | the point is people don't like the rc part |
| 01:06.23 | JeffM | you'd want it to END at 3.0.0 |
| 01:06.33 | JeffM | so you'd want something smaller |
| 01:07.45 | thatexploding | well, your at 2.0.10 right now, you could take the average and do a 2.5 release... |
| 01:08.13 | thatexploding | and feign saying that 2.1-2.4 were all pre-alpha |
| 01:08.20 | brlcad | with traditional triplet revs, any 2.[odd].* could/would turn into 3.0.0 |
| 01:08.47 | brlcad | it would make more sense for the major to actually "regain meaning" by indicating backwards compatibility |
| 01:08.59 | JeffM | indeed |
| 01:09.02 | brlcad | that's what it usually means |
| 01:09.16 | JeffM | and we choose to break proto on each of our "majors" |
| 01:09.27 | brlcad | yeah |
| 01:09.39 | thatexploding | well, im not trying to cause an uproar over version numbers... :) |
| 01:09.45 | brlcad | it fits what we do, just have to accept that we're going to be 3/4/5/6 about 1/year |
| 01:09.47 | JeffM | I remember arguing the point with DTRemenak at work, his point was that we didnt' always add enough BIG things to be a major |
| 01:09.53 | JeffM | 2.0 added meshes so it counted. |
| 01:10.20 | JeffM | bzflag 9.10.2 "can I die now?" |
| 01:10.24 | thatexploding | lol |
| 01:10.42 | JeffM | then when we get sick of that, we can stick the next year on the end of it |
| 01:10.46 | JeffM | bzflag 2015 |
| 01:10.49 | brlcad | I see the major more as indicator of compatibility, not features .. the minor can indicate features/enhancements on that particular line |
| 01:10.58 | thatexploding | but you guys have been at work on 2.2 for a while now, it seems that a major would make it signify that you had done a ton of work |
| 01:11.15 | JeffM | no, just that it's not compatable |
| 01:11.33 | brlcad | thatexploding: no we haven't, we've been working on 2.1 for a while |
| 01:11.45 | brlcad | 2.1 either becomes 2.2 or 3.0 |
| 01:11.45 | thatexploding | compatibility is just a matter of advertising, saying that it is backwards compatible |
| 01:11.53 | thatexploding | i know 2.1 is going to be released as 2.2 |
| 01:11.58 | JeffM | thatexploding: no.... |
| 01:12.07 | JeffM | we can't make 2.1 be backwards compatable |
| 01:12.10 | JeffM | we don't WANT to |
| 01:12.17 | JeffM | it's for forcing upgrades |
| 01:12.23 | thatexploding | o, well... then go for 3.0 |
| 01:12.34 | JeffM | and the fact that the old client just can't DO what the new game does. |
| 01:13.40 | JeffM | well the problem would be if we had a similar situation to what we had here |
| 01:13.40 | thatexploding | put it in the MOTD, saying that the 2.0.* list server is set to shut down on so-and-so a date |
| 01:13.40 | JeffM | lets say the last version was 2.8.0 ( 2.0.8 ) |
| 01:13.40 | brlcad | i personally don't have an issue with major changing that frequently, think that's actually a great idea to jump to having major be compat |
| 01:13.47 | JeffM | and we had made dev be 2.9.x for development of 3.0 |
| 01:14.05 | JeffM | then had to go squeep out a 2.10.0, we'd have jacked ourselves |
| 01:14.16 | JeffM | maybe just always do dev for a major on M.99.R |
| 01:14.23 | JeffM | for lots of room |
| 01:14.33 | brlcad | the numbers as is are fine as-is, don't "have" to bump patch to minor |
| 01:14.55 | JeffM | so you would have done 2.0.10, as 2.8.10 or something? |
| 01:15.30 | thatexploding | no, im not talking retroactively, nor am i referring to the past, im really talking about now... |
| 01:15.35 | brlcad | no no, I mean we don't have to, say, bump head to 2.9 simply because we decide to do a 3.0 |
| 01:16.04 | JeffM | I'm using the past as an EXAMPLE ;) |
| 01:16.11 | brlcad | this new scheme would have been 2.8.0, 2.10.0, etc had we applied it |
| 01:16.31 | brlcad | and rc's and such would have been patch revisions |
| 01:16.34 | JeffM | brlcad: and what would we have taged dev at when we started trunk? |
| 01:16.43 | JeffM | had we applied it |
| 01:16.46 | brlcad | 2.10.1, 2.10.3, 2.10.5, then 2.10.6 as posted |
| 01:16.49 | JeffM | in the past, hypotheicaly |
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| 01:19.02 | JeffM | I like the concept of using the major for compatability, just throwing out hypotheticals ;) |
| 01:20.39 | brlcad | hm, in proper fashion, major follows the odd/even too but that's excessive to me given our release rate -- it definitely is tricky otherwise to keep track (M.99.P isn't such a bad idea) |
| 01:21.00 | brlcad | otherwise, it's just "3.0.0" on trunk until it's finally first tagged |
| 01:21.02 | JeffM | it follows the system and gives us tons of room |
| 01:21.12 | JeffM | if we get close, we are doing SOMETHING WRONG |
| 01:21.13 | JeffM | ;) |
| 01:21.17 | brlcad | yeah |
| 01:21.26 | brlcad | that's way way too many minor updates on a compat line |
| 01:22.10 | brlcad | would mean we made at *least* 48 releases, not counting any pre/rc/alpha/beta releases |
| 01:23.35 | JeffM | do we have that many TOTAL? |
| 01:27.30 | brlcad | heh, dunno |
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| 01:41.40 | spldart | and now.. for something completely different |
| 01:43.11 | Constitution | UFO sightings in the sky of northern belaruse? |
| 01:44.12 | Winny | Constitution: heh |
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| 02:12.02 | Winny | why don't you guys do something about pythonian, seriously |
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| 02:14.56 | Constitution | BZFlag: macsforme * r16226 /trunk/db/bzfls.php: Pythonian.com banned. |
| 02:15.32 | Constitution | Winny: lobbyists. |
| 02:16.06 | Macrosoft | Winny: what are they doing now? |
| 02:16.24 | polydektes | running bots |
| 02:16.33 | polydektes | they have like 4 bots running now |
| 02:17.04 | spldart | man.. diing for the team is really p!@$^ me off |
| 02:17.16 | Winny | spldart: join the club, we got jackets |
| 02:17.20 | Macrosoft | what happened to it being under new ownership |
| 02:17.22 | spldart | Sweet |
| 02:17.34 | Winny | Macrosoft: its the same guy as always |
| 02:17.37 | polydektes | that guy is just as bad as the old one evidenlty |
| 02:17.38 | Winny | he just changed his name |
| 02:18.08 | spldart | He just loves to call people liars, etc etc |
| 02:18.55 | spldart | And to think.. I was enjoying the fact a rabbit chase was on the first page for once in a long while |
| 02:19.45 | Macrosoft | i would check it out, but i still havent got glx back :( |
| 02:19.54 | spldart | Poop |
| 02:20.17 | spldart | My dual boot dually is on windoze currently cuz I haven't got tvcard setup for linux yet myself |
| 02:20.41 | spldart | ... To think.. Got vid capture on the digi cam already working but not the stupid hauppauge |
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| 02:33.07 | Macrosoft | hells yeah! glx! |
| 02:33.17 | spldart | SuhWeeeet |
| 02:33.30 | blast007 | Macrosoft: blog |
| 02:33.42 | blast007 | Macrosoft: We. Don't. Care. |
| 02:34.18 | spldart | ~Macrosoft |
| 02:34.19 | ibot | Macrosoft is insane... you should really stay away from him |
| 02:34.26 | spldart | LOL |
| 02:34.37 | spldart | ~blog |
| 02:34.37 | ibot | blog is probably a weblog, or a webdiary |
| 02:38.46 | Macrosoft | getting weird new error when starting bz: http://pastebin.ca/782002 |
| 02:43.36 | L4m3r | Macrosoft, that means that bz is trying to use a video mode that your X doesn't support |
| 02:44.33 | Macrosoft | this resolution has always worked before, its the same i always use |
| 02:47.25 | spldart | Where is the config for bzclient in linux? |
| 02:48.00 | Macrosoft | spldart: /home/<user>/.bzf/<version> |
| 02:48.30 | spldart | It shows the vid mode for initial startup doesn it? |
| 02:48.37 | L4m3r | yeah |
| 02:49.03 | L4m3r | on Linux I think it's just the resolution, followed by exactly three spaces. |
| 02:49.05 | spldart | Is that mode the same or less than current one Macro? Your in gnome right? |
| 02:49.19 | Macrosoft | i dont have a config |
| 02:49.48 | spldart | ehh? |
| 02:50.30 | Macrosoft | deleted it so bz would make a new one after i changed X settings |
| 02:53.25 | Macrosoft | got it to start windowed with 'bzflag -window' |
| 02:54.00 | spldart | so now you have a config? |
| 02:54.20 | Macrosoft | yeah |
| 02:57.09 | Macrosoft | hmm, if i start it windowed and then change it to fullscreen, it works fine, but if i try starting it in fullscreen it gives me that same error |
| 03:02.44 | Macrosoft | ahh, thats why... bz is trying to start at 1920x1200. my monitor doesnt support that mode |
| 03:03.41 | Macrosoft | brb...restarting X |
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| 03:09.24 | spldart | Yeah.. I think l4m3r said something to that effect.. close enough for handgrenades and machine guns anywho |
| 03:09.56 | L4m3r | sometimes it picks stupid default resolutions :) |
| 03:11.54 | Macrosoft | huh? |
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| 04:21.06 | Constitution | Here's a funny one: http://pastebin.bzflag.bz/m4f3f1f51 |
| 04:23.17 | GiantEnemyCrab | can anyone here unban me from Bloodbath? |
| 04:23.37 | Winny | who banned you and what for |
| 04:24.06 | GiantEnemyCrab | it said global ban, "you guys can shove it" |
| 04:24.14 | GiantEnemyCrab | i have not played in weeks |
| 04:24.25 | Winny | aha |
| 04:24.38 | Winny | you're caught in a range ban |
| 04:24.40 | GiantEnemyCrab | "For the innocent contact" blah blah |
| 04:25.03 | Winny | one sec |
| 04:26.23 | Constitution | Winny: you'd have to /setgroup him to a whitelist group... not sure what a_meteorite has in that regard |
| 04:27.04 | Winny | hmm |
| 04:27.19 | Winny | GiantEnemyCrab: ill ask met about it tommorow |
| 04:27.51 | Constitution | looks like met banned a lot of comcast hosts |
| 04:27.54 | GiantEnemyCrab | ok, thanks |
| 04:28.12 | GiantEnemyCrab | i swear i dont cheat |
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| 04:28.34 | Constitution | GiantEnemyCrab: the ban message does say to contact A Meteorite for whitelisting... |
| 04:28.47 | Winny | GiantEnemyCrab: IP Range ban, you got caught in it |
| 04:28.56 | GiantEnemyCrab | oh.. thar is who it was |
| 04:28.58 | Constitution | Winny: hostban, looks like |
| 04:29.06 | Winny | same differnece ;0 |
| 04:29.14 | Macrosoft | must not have banned all of comcast, i can connect |
| 04:29.23 | Winny | comcraptic |
| 04:30.02 | QBeep | Don't unban him; we don |
| 04:30.03 | QBeep | don |
| 04:30.12 | QBeep | DON'T need a geno hog like him anyway ;) |
| 04:30.38 | Winny | rofl, met banned all of bell.ca |
| 04:31.01 | Macrosoft | he should take this as a sign that there are other servers _much_ better than bloodbath |
| 04:31.14 | QBeep | Blasphemer. |
| 04:31.42 | Winny | GiantEnemyCrab: try to join |
| 04:31.57 | JeffM | be nice all of you |
| 04:32.44 | Constitution | GiantEnemyCrab: join #bzfx |
| 04:32.57 | Winny | and try joining bloodbath, too.. |
| 04:34.57 | Winny | Im off to bed... if you have any other problems, GiantEnemyCrab, PM me on the forums |
| 04:42.21 | GiantEnemyCrab | thanks |
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| 05:10.32 | brlcad | Epyon's been busy |
| 05:13.00 | Epyon | O.o? |
| 05:15.27 | brlcad | berserk |
| 05:19.18 | Epyon | Ahh, cia.vc :) |
| 05:19.45 | Epyon | Yeah, people started whining that there are no new releases on chaosforge, I had to do something :P |
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| 05:51.35 | brlcad | hm, another crash |
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| 05:52.09 | brlcad | CIA-MIA: o.O |
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| 05:52.51 | brlcad | CIA-MIA: |
| 05:52.55 | brlcad | CIA-MIA: o.O |
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| 05:56.29 | brlcad | CIA-MIA: o.O |
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| 06:05.21 | Constitution | someone should run a paid service to compile .dll's of plugins for everyone who doesn't want to do it themselves |
| 06:10.08 | Constitution | could be quite profitable |
| 06:11.40 | Epyon | <PROTECTED> |
| 06:11.55 | Epyon | ;( |
| 06:12.04 | Epyon | It doesn't respond! |
| 06:12.12 | Epyon | It doesn't love me! |
| 06:12.15 | Epyon | ;( |
| 06:12.27 | brlcad | it's not the same cia, just a temp relay bot since cia is hosed |
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| 10:21.16 | bz39 | any body here? |
| 10:31.56 | bz39 | .. |
| 10:32.10 | bz39 | servers are so lonely at night :( |
| 10:32.13 | bz39 | bye |
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| 10:47.35 | Speeddymon | i had 2 cia's reporting svn commits in my channel earlier, cia-mia, and cia-24.. i kicked mia. since 24 is now in there, could someone set mia to not join #norganna? thx |
| 10:48.50 | ruskie | so why are you asking here? |
| 10:49.36 | Speeddymon | cause brlcad said i could reach him here for stuff like that |
| 10:50.48 | ruskie | ahh |
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| 12:46.05 | Bluer | congrats on 2.0.10! |
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| 12:54.25 | Bluer | in WordFilter.cxx the function transform is undefined (its missing the std:: prefix!). gnu shouldn't complain, but that crashed my compile on a non-gnu compiler.. if someone would fix it it'd be great |
| 12:54.25 | Bluer | line 52, and another instance in line 781 |
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| 17:47.34 | JeffM | just FYI board admins, I archived off the old huge group request thread and made a new one |
| 17:48.00 | whodaman- | heh, it was like what 24 pages? |
| 17:49.00 | ts | JeffM: I checked the fix in you asked for. I tried to verify its correctness...but I couldn't build so I checked it in without testing. |
| 17:51.27 | JeffM | ahh into trunk? |
| 17:51.36 | JeffM | whodaman-,yeah something like that |
| 17:51.45 | whodaman- | time for a new one :) |
| 17:53.14 | ts | JeffM: yes..but I'm still not able to build trunk.. |
| 17:55.32 | JeffM | still lib errors? |
| 17:57.59 | blast007 | did you mention the existing code for the new group management system? Constitution had been writing it |
| 17:59.58 | Constitution | heh |
| 18:00.11 | Constitution | http://fairserve.bzflag.org/bzgrpmgr/bzgrpmgr.php |
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| 18:37.16 | ts | JeffM: ftgl does not build..and I'm unable to compile my own copy of it |
| 18:38.14 | blast007 | by "unable to compile my own copy" do you mean it has build errors there too? |
| 18:40.44 | ts | pango, one of its deps does not compile for me |
| 18:41.52 | ruskie | fontconfig X11-LIBS automake glib2 cairo <-- got all of that available? |
| 18:42.27 | ruskie | atleast what source mage pange spell depends on |
| 18:42.39 | ts | I'm using a package managemen system..I'll guess I have to wait until the packages are updated |
| 18:46.37 | Constitution | blast007: is that a new tool? |
| 18:46.46 | blast007 | yup |
| 18:46.53 | blast007 | guess CIA-MIA is... MIA ;) |
| 18:47.21 | blast007 | let me put a binary up somewhere |
| 18:48.59 | blast007 | http://static.bzexcess.com/BZWTestLauncher.exe |
| 18:49.06 | blast007 | still needs flag and BZDB support |
| 18:49.24 | blast007 | but it's still at a point where it can be used to launch maps and a client automatically |
| 18:49.42 | Constitution | ah, so a handy map-maker's tool, sounds like |
| 18:50.28 | blast007 | well... my main motivation was to quell the "zomg how do u run a map 4 t3sting!!!???" posts on the forum :P |
| 18:50.55 | blast007 | should help people get screenshots easier too |
| 18:51.04 | blast007 | since they won't have to jump to the command line |
| 18:51.53 | Constitution | ah :) |
| 18:52.10 | Constitution | yeah, I can't stand those "I can't get bzfs to run" posts |
| 18:57.47 | delusional | blast007, is that portable? |
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| 19:08.09 | delusional | >join ##apple |
| 19:08.13 | delusional | gah |
| 19:08.29 | delusional | >damn you argooon |
| 19:10.44 | blast007 | delusional: it's written in C#, so it's possible |
| 19:11.01 | blast007 | (mono project) |
| 19:11.19 | delusional | just asking |
| 19:11.24 | blast007 | but I'm using the Windows registry right now to store settings |
| 19:11.34 | blast007 | currently, Windows only |
| 19:11.43 | blast007 | and no plans of changing that |
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| 19:48.43 | Winny | err, perhaps Im missing something |
| 19:48.52 | Winny | where did the group creation thread go? |
| 19:49.06 | tannerld | eheh |
| 19:49.28 | tannerld | http://my.bzflag.org/bb/viewtopic.php?t=11774 |
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| 19:49.41 | tannerld | Winny: ^ |
| 19:50.10 | Winny | aha |
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| 19:55.00 | wanda | hi, how can i find an admin of bzfx.bzflagr.net (bloodbath)? |
| 19:55.08 | tannerld | Winny: ^ |
| 19:55.25 | Winny | wanda: hi |
| 19:55.44 | wanda | hi Winny, you are admin there? |
| 19:55.50 | Winny | I own it :p |
| 19:56.26 | wanda | ok, maybe you can help. I cant join any more .. get my login approved but then nothing happens ... |
| 19:56.36 | Winny | hmm |
| 19:56.57 | Winny | does it just sit at "press I to start"? |
| 19:57.14 | wanda | i had that some time ago at another server ... my ip or the whole range was blocked |
| 19:57.37 | Winny | lemme look in the banfile, one sec |
| 19:57.56 | wanda | i get : wanda dead .. my callsign is the only call showed and it is white |
| 19:58.20 | Winny | hmm, sounds like some packet routing troubles |
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| 19:58.38 | Winny | if you were banned, it would say "REFUSED: <some reason> by <admin> |
| 19:59.16 | Winny | aha, found it... |
| 19:59.26 | Winny | my god, met likes to ban whole hosts... |
| 19:59.26 | wanda | yes? |
| 19:59.36 | Winny | I think he has 1/2 of the internet banned from bloodbath |
| 20:00.06 | wanda | thats radical .. :-) |
| 20:00.15 | Winny | one moment |
| 20:00.31 | Winny | since I don't have access to his BZBB groups, I can't add you to the whitelist |
| 20:00.40 | Winny | so Ill just have to remove the ban for the time being |
| 20:01.15 | wanda | the ban was introduces saturday eve or sunday |
| 20:01.22 | Winny | wanda: try to join |
| 20:01.49 | wanda | thank you .. it works again ... |
| 20:02.20 | wanda | is the whitelist matching callsigns or ip addresses? |
| 20:02.26 | Winny | callsigns |
| 20:02.39 | Winny | when you see him, as him to put you on it |
| 20:02.49 | wanda | ok, thats fine 'cause i get dynamic ip-addr. from dialin .. ty |
| 20:03.35 | wanda | thank you very much ... i will go playing for some time :-) |
| 20:03.40 | wanda | bye |
| 20:03.43 | Winny | np |
| 20:03.44 | Winny | bye |
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| 20:48.48 | JeffM | ts, what error do you get in FTGL? |
| 20:51.06 | JeffM | Winny, that suprises you? how long have you known him? |
| 20:51.32 | Winny | JeffM: hehe |
| 20:54.49 | JeffM | and now you know why I worry about him runing a server admin network |
| 20:55.09 | Winny | If he abuses it, people won't use i |
| 20:55.11 | Winny | it* |
| 20:55.20 | Winny | at least, if they have 1/2 a brain |
| 20:55.42 | JeffM | still does nothing to help the game |
| 20:56.14 | JeffM | but we'll see |
| 20:56.27 | Winny | I disagree, if it's only used to remove morons that the masterban list doesn't/can't get, then it could be quite helpful |
| 20:56.41 | CBG | met's CAN..........? |
| 20:57.13 | whodaman- | CBG, I guess |
| 20:57.16 | JeffM | only if it's not abbused, if it's abbused, it lowers trust, and then people don't use it and those people just get back in |
| 20:57.35 | CBG | disaster waiting to happen.. lol. |
| 20:57.37 | JeffM | it'll be a lot better when we can require ID |
| 20:58.01 | JeffM | admin networks are serverly limited if they can't require logins |
| 20:58.18 | Winny | IMO, in 2.2. if you guys can do it, requie registration |
| 20:58.31 | JeffM | I don't think it'll fly on a social level |
| 20:58.45 | Winny | you need to register for just about every other game |
| 20:58.46 | JeffM | and with our current system, you'd not be able to play the game at all untill you got an e-mail |
| 20:58.55 | blast007 | I'd love to require registration for running servers |
| 20:58.56 | JeffM | I did not have to register to play quake |
| 20:59.09 | CBG | zomg oh noes noo playaz muzt rejista to play!?! |
| 20:59.28 | CBG | quake is open source ? |
| 20:59.33 | JeffM | yes, yes it is |
| 20:59.39 | JeffM | 3/4ths of them |
| 20:59.47 | CBG | oh, wow. ok |
| 20:59.49 | JeffM | most MMOs require reg |
| 21:00.06 | JeffM | I'm trying to think of the single player games I've done recetenly that need it |
| 21:00.19 | blast007 | but that's because they store your exp/equipment/etc |
| 21:00.24 | CBG | bz is the only MMO I ever played that didn't require reg |
| 21:00.36 | whodaman- | Winny, I defiantly think require reg. would be great, alone for the fact of just being able to idban |
| 21:00.37 | JeffM | bz isn't considered an MMO |
| 21:00.38 | blast007 | CBG: it's not an MMO |
| 21:00.44 | JeffM | we are not masive nor persistant |
| 21:00.45 | blast007 | we're an online FPS |
| 21:00.53 | JeffM | we ARE quake in that regards |
| 21:00.58 | CBG | "Massive Multiplayer Online Game", right? |
| 21:01.02 | JeffM | we are not massive |
| 21:01.09 | CBG | Oh, you argue the massive? hmmm |
| 21:01.15 | Winny | TMO then |
| 21:01.17 | CBG | define massive, I guess. |
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| 21:01.22 | blast007 | massive implies hundreds or thousands per server |
| 21:01.25 | JeffM | MMOs traditinaly also mean persistant wrold |
| 21:01.26 | Winny | Tiny Multplayer Online game? |
| 21:01.35 | JeffM | and data stored with the account |
| 21:01.36 | Erroneous | when you get a single server with several thousand players on it simultaneously, it's massive |
| 21:01.40 | CBG | "Miniscule Multiplayer Online Game"? |
| 21:01.43 | blast007 | like Tibia, an MMO, usually has 700 players per server |
| 21:01.45 | JeffM | we are a normal one |
| 21:01.57 | Winny | blast007: jesus... |
| 21:01.57 | JeffM | just a normal multiplayer FPS |
| 21:02.00 | Winny | how big are they? :p |
| 21:02.04 | blast007 | Winny: well, it's a HUGE map |
| 21:02.04 | JeffM | 700 is small for a MMO |
| 21:02.12 | Erroneous | our style is much more traditional online fps, 2-20 per map |
| 21:02.13 | JeffM | thousandds are more common |
| 21:02.14 | CBG | Counter Strike Source? I'd call that an MMO, but there are many empty servers and most active servers have under 30 players. |
| 21:02.37 | JeffM | cgb you'd be the only in the world who calls it that |
| 21:02.45 | JeffM | they don't consider it a MMO |
| 21:02.46 | CBG | ok, fair enough. |
| 21:03.01 | CBG | then what IS an MMO? I can only think of WoW... |
| 21:03.09 | JeffM | WoW |
| 21:03.11 | JeffM | everquest |
| 21:03.13 | Erroneous | guild wars runs the entire game in one virtual server (per region, so 4 servers worldwide for 6 million accounts) |
| 21:03.14 | JeffM | tabula rasa |
| 21:03.25 | JeffM | city of heroes |
| 21:03.29 | JeffM | those kinds of games |
| 21:03.31 | JeffM | runescape |
| 21:03.36 | Winny | runecrap! |
| 21:03.39 | CBG | so, in all, roughly how many "MMOs" are there? 10-20? something like that? |
| 21:03.39 | Erroneous | lord of the rings online, d&d online |
| 21:03.41 | JeffM | planetside. |
| 21:03.43 | CBG | lol runescape... |
| 21:03.48 | Erroneous | star wars galaxies |
| 21:03.51 | JeffM | CBG, hundreds |
| 21:03.54 | Erroneous | star trek online when that comes out |
| 21:04.01 | Erroneous | eve |
| 21:04.10 | CBG | amarda 2? :P |
| 21:04.22 | Erroneous | armada is an rts |
| 21:04.28 | Erroneous | not an mmo |
| 21:04.31 | JeffM | I mean I see more things going to MMO style logins |
| 21:04.37 | JeffM | where the purchase of the game is tied ot an account |
| 21:04.49 | JeffM | I belive the battlefied series did that |
| 21:05.17 | JeffM | but then most MMOs don't do e-mail verification |
| 21:05.20 | Erroneous | not to mention steam |
| 21:05.27 | CBG | any type of game (fps, rts, rpg) can be an mmo... "MMORTS". |
| 21:05.34 | JeffM | yeah but nothing is exculsive to steam |
| 21:05.45 | CBG | really? |
| 21:05.47 | Erroneous | sure, but there are virtually no non-rpg mmos |
| 21:05.58 | CBG | I thought a few things were... TF2 for example. |
| 21:06.06 | JeffM | that's not a MMO |
| 21:06.08 | Erroneous | tf2 is not massive |
| 21:06.10 | CBG | Unless the Orange Box runs sans Steam..? |
| 21:06.13 | JeffM | that's the same as us |
| 21:06.21 | JeffM | CBG, go buy it in the store ;) |
| 21:06.32 | CBG | I'm not talking about MMOs atm, referring to "[9:05pm] <JeffM> yeah but nothing is exculsive to steam" |
| 21:06.39 | JeffM | ah |
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| 21:06.42 | CBG | already bought it on Steam, thanks, JeffM. |
| 21:06.45 | Erroneous | sry, didn't catch the context shift |
| 21:06.49 | JeffM | yeah oranngebox is retail |
| 21:06.55 | JeffM | no need for steam |
| 21:06.55 | CBG | I am merely suggesting some games _are_ exclusive the steam |
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| 21:06.56 | Erroneous | JeffM: to play online you must have a steam account, correct? |
| 21:07.00 | JeffM | I don't know |
| 21:07.08 | JeffM | they may have |
| 21:07.08 | Erroneous | if not I'll go buy it :) |
| 21:07.11 | CBG | sure, orange box is out in shops. I've touched one. but I thought it was still tied to steam |
| 21:07.24 | CBG | steam sucks so damn much, geez.... |
| 21:07.27 | JeffM | they are one of the newer ones that are going reg |
| 21:07.33 | CBG | but can't play TF2 without it afaik |
| 21:07.40 | JeffM | we coudl force reg, we'd have to change the backend and stuff |
| 21:07.57 | JeffM | and some assumptions |
| 21:08.21 | JeffM | most places that don't do e-mail verification use other verification ( credit card ) |
| 21:08.47 | JeffM | so we'd have to do soethign where we limit servers for non e-mail verified users, and clear the accounts after a time |
| 21:08.57 | JeffM | yeah I'm not sure we should force it |
| 21:09.03 | JeffM | I think we should make it a lot easier |
| 21:09.19 | JeffM | so that server owners can require it and know it's easy if they want to |
| 21:09.48 | CBG | at least make it more _clear_ to users. a big red "Register For Free!" button on the main menu, that opens a link in the default browser... |
| 21:10.07 | JeffM | if we did some nice persisteant services ( ranks, etc.. ) I could see requiring it for those services. |
| 21:10.53 | JeffM | yes that would be part of "making it easier" |
| 21:10.53 | JeffM | as well as have the installer ask if you want to register |
| 21:10.53 | CBG | yeah that too |
| 21:10.53 | JeffM | maybe throw a registry key with the username into the system, so the installer can check it, etc.. |
| 21:11.03 | JeffM | if "save username " is on |
| 21:11.04 | CBG | I think a few things like that, to "make it easier" as you put it, would be enough |
| 21:11.08 | Winny | why into the registry? |
| 21:11.15 | Winny | why not into a file? |
| 21:11.16 | JeffM | so that we can find it external |
| 21:11.24 | JeffM | and so that it's tied to the user account |
| 21:11.28 | Winny | hmm |
| 21:11.28 | JeffM | files can move |
| 21:11.31 | JeffM | reg keys can't |
| 21:11.38 | JeffM | it's very easy for the installer to find a registry key |
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| 21:11.47 | JeffM | like we do for xfire |
| 21:12.41 | JeffM | maybe it's even part of the xfire info now, if so great |
| 21:12.57 | CBG | bz works with xfire? |
| 21:13.01 | blast007 | Erroneous: I love Steam ;) |
| 21:13.08 | JeffM | current version can |
| 21:13.11 | CBG | blast007: fail. |
| 21:13.28 | JeffM | CBG, dude, no crap speak please |
| 21:13.43 | JeffM | or go back to myspace or where ever you pick that crap up |
| 21:13.46 | CBG | sorry man, was just one line. |
| 21:13.50 | JeffM | exactly |
| 21:13.52 | CBG | don't insult me, please. |
| 21:14.08 | JeffM | your the one talking like them ;) |
| 21:14.08 | Erroneous | one line is too much |
| 21:14.08 | Winny | Like you've never insulted anyone. |
| 21:14.24 | JeffM | I've never had any problems with steam myself |
| 21:14.34 | CBG | I wouldn't know if I was or not, never having met any of "them". |
| 21:14.34 | JeffM | I'm beeting Erroneous has issues with wine+steam ;) |
| 21:14.40 | Erroneous | nope |
| 21:14.42 | Erroneous | steam on windows |
| 21:14.45 | Erroneous | long long ago |
| 21:14.48 | JeffM | ahh |
| 21:14.50 | Erroneous | tons of problems |
| 21:14.59 | JeffM | for me it's worked just fine |
| 21:15.05 | Erroneous | ran like crap, slow, crashed constantly, frequently while I was ingame, etc |
| 21:15.08 | JeffM | tho I've never done the retail -> steam hooked |
| 21:15.27 | CBG | it's no better, Erroneous, unless it was reeeeeeeeeeeeeally bad back then. |
| 21:15.35 | Erroneous | I was very unimpressed with the quality |
| 21:15.50 | Erroneous | functionality wise it was fine |
| 21:15.54 | JeffM | wonder what crysis does |
| 21:16.05 | CBG | hog resources, I hear. |
| 21:16.21 | JeffM | use != hog |
| 21:16.33 | JeffM | it's not made to run on current midrange systems |
| 21:16.41 | CBG | just saying what I heard... fair enough |
| 21:16.50 | JeffM | I meant as a login |
| 21:16.57 | blast007 | Crysis runs fine on my 1.86GHz C2D |
| 21:17.11 | JeffM | XP or vista? |
| 21:17.13 | blast007 | XP |
| 21:17.18 | JeffM | yeah you can't go past high |
| 21:17.20 | JeffM | with out edits |
| 21:17.29 | blast007 | ah |
| 21:17.35 | JeffM | that's what Jer said too, fine on his up to high on XP |
| 21:17.43 | JeffM | after that it makes his machine cry ;) |
| 21:17.44 | blast007 | needs a DX10 card then as well, I assume? |
| 21:17.48 | JeffM | yes |
| 21:17.54 | JeffM | but looks awesome |
| 21:17.55 | blast007 | yeah, only have a 7xxx |
| 21:18.26 | JeffM | I have too many games to play |
| 21:18.48 | blast007 | I haven't logged into Guild Wars in months :( |
| 21:19.10 | CBG | half...? |
| 21:19.21 | blast007 | have* |
| 21:19.23 | Winny | have? |
| 21:19.27 | CBG | ah |
| 21:21.39 | brlcad | SportChick: SportChick SportChick SportChick |
| 21:21.49 | blast007 | lol |
| 21:23.11 | Winny | brlcad: you forgot SC, essy, etc :p |
| 21:27.06 | JeffM | I'm prety sure he knows she will highlight on that sucker |
| 21:28.57 | SportChick | brlcad: brlcad brlcad |
| 21:29.13 | JeffM | see |
| 21:30.09 | Winny | SportChick: you're actually here! :o |
| 21:32.02 | Erroneous | blast007: if it's really been months, you're looking at ~500mb |
| 21:32.12 | Erroneous | Eye of the North is large |
| 21:32.24 | blast007 | :) |
| 21:34.09 | Erroneous | if it's been many months, you may have Nightfall to download too, which is another 800mb ;) |
| 21:34.33 | blast007 | probably been 6 months |
| 21:34.48 | blast007 | the last time I tried playing wasn't on my gaming box, but in Ubuntu via Wine |
| 21:34.49 | brlcad | ~sushi SportChick |
| 21:34.50 | ibot | ACTION fishes madly all day long & brings the very best back, filets it carefully and serves SportChick the best, freshest sushi ever |
| 21:36.40 | Erroneous | tried? |
| 21:36.50 | Erroneous | it runs pretty well in wine |
| 21:37.35 | Erroneous | used to have cursor problems on unpatched wine, but those got fixed |
| 21:41.28 | blast007 | Erroneous: right, I had cursor issues |
| 21:41.37 | blast007 | as in, there was no cursor ;) |
| 21:41.49 | Erroneous | sure there was...it was just transparent :) |
| 21:41.55 | blast007 | hehe |
| 21:42.02 | Erroneous | technicalities, I know :) |
| 21:46.39 | JeffM | CIA-MIA deaded? |
| 21:49.35 | brlcad | CIA was reset last night |
| 21:49.40 | brlcad | they all sprung back to life |
| 21:49.56 | brlcad | apparently ours didn't though.. |
| 21:50.06 | brlcad | or is massively lagged |
| 21:51.09 | blast007 | I commit something at about 1PM...and it's almost 4PM now, so that would be some lag ;) |
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| 21:52.24 | JeffM | I'm not sure that they have actualy fixed anything in the code |
| 21:53.22 | JeffM | ooo website is not well it seems |
| 21:54.54 | JeffM | there have been no comits to it since sept |
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| 21:58.03 | JeffM | there's my baby |
| 21:58.14 | brlcad | heh |
| 21:58.15 | JeffM | who's the pretiest bot? |
| 21:58.33 | JeffM | gotta finish the config stuff for botlib then port her |
| 21:58.38 | brlcad | found another bug in your baby last night, stack was hosed, though, so I couldn't get a good trace |
| 21:58.57 | JeffM | I've been rewriting the guts of it |
| 21:59.08 | brlcad | should I update? |
| 21:59.08 | JeffM | botlib is way cooler |
| 21:59.10 | JeffM | no |
| 21:59.18 | JeffM | no bot uses botlib yet |
| 21:59.38 | JeffM | my plan is to make another set of samples that use botlib, then just deprecate the current bot samples |
| 21:59.43 | brlcad | try publicing sending this: CIA-MIA: o.O |
| 22:00.03 | brlcad | CIA-MIA ignores it now, I mean with your local copy at some point |
| 22:00.13 | JeffM | so the name, and just a single word? |
| 22:00.34 | brlcad | dunno if it's a single word or specifically o.O |
| 22:00.37 | JeffM | k |
| 22:00.49 | JeffM | oddly the "is me" stuff is what I rewrote last night :) |
| 22:01.18 | brlcad | stack rubbage left looked like it was in a std::string iterator: http://pastebin.bzflag.bz/m6b265a8a |
| 22:01.37 | JeffM | I'll set up a test in #libIRC now |
| 22:01.58 | blast007 | and just a note... bzfs on Windows crashes when you try to use a group file with the "ALL" perm, but I haven't tried in trunk yet |
| 22:02.13 | blast007 | it's done that all the way back to 2.0.4 |
| 22:02.25 | JeffM | so it's a feature |
| 22:02.28 | blast007 | yup |
| 22:02.28 | brlcad | my temp fix was just to make isForMe() return false, so related to that |
| 22:02.41 | Winny | JeffM: you say we're not allowed to do something about pythonian on the listserver, no? |
| 22:02.54 | JeffM | Winny, you have to be more specific |
| 22:02.58 | thatexploding | what would we do? |
| 22:03.18 | JeffM | anything you do on the server, is between YOU and the server |
| 22:03.22 | Winny | You can't (or don;t want to) remove them from the listserver for using bots |
| 22:03.52 | JeffM | if somethign you do is a violoation of one of our public pollicies ( aka, connsidered an attack, or affects other servers ) then we will do to you what we'd do to anyone who violodated those polcies |
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| 22:04.05 | JeffM | we have no public policy about using bots on servers |
| 22:04.24 | JeffM | so there woul be no reason to remove him for something like that |
| 22:04.38 | thatexploding | i thought you said in some forum post that servers that use bots to falsely boost player counts may get banned from the list server |
| 22:04.41 | Winny | hmm, no offense, but you said it yourself that bots can get you banned... http://my.bzflag.org/bb/viewtopic.php?t=9160 (5th post down) ... |
| 22:05.01 | JeffM | ok |
| 22:05.07 | JeffM | have you talked to him about it? |
| 22:05.17 | JeffM | and how many bots his he using? |
| 22:05.22 | thatexploding | he wont respond to any messages |
| 22:05.27 | Winny | indeed |
| 22:05.31 | JeffM | what user? |
| 22:05.34 | Winny | JeffM: anywhere from 5 to 15 |
| 22:05.38 | thatexploding | pythonian |
| 22:05.49 | JeffM | the username is pythonian? for the owner? |
| 22:05.49 | Winny | "neutronix7" or something, let me get his exact name |
| 22:05.53 | JeffM | there ya go |
| 22:06.10 | JeffM | and he has not upgrade his server to no report bots? |
| 22:06.16 | thatexploding | no |
| 22:06.17 | Winny | of course not |
| 22:06.22 | JeffM | stick to the facts |
| 22:06.27 | JeffM | I'll talk to him |
| 22:06.27 | Winny | he uses the bots to inflate his position |
| 22:07.02 | JeffM | but you should know that stuff I just say isn't always considered official "policy" ;) |
| 22:07.11 | Winny | I've tried to contact him MANY times in game about it, while he was playing, so I know he saw my text |
| 22:07.18 | Winny | he never responded |
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| 22:09.04 | JeffM | let me know if he's still got em there tomorow |
| 22:09.08 | JeffM | I've sent him a message |
| 22:09.45 | JeffM | brlcad, your not in #libIRC |
| 22:09.52 | Winny | JeffM: ok |
| 22:09.59 | brlcad | yes i am |
| 22:10.02 | brlcad | *ahem* |
| 22:10.06 | Winny | watch the outbox to see if he's read them |
| 22:10.16 | blast007 | Winny: Jeff knows how to use the forum.. |
| 22:10.34 | Winny | blast007: I don't wannt go "STILL BOTS?!!111`" and he hasn't read it |
| 22:10.35 | JeffM | Winny, I know how to use the forums, thank you |
| 22:10.50 | JeffM | Winny, please don't assume I'm an idiot |
| 22:10.56 | JeffM | if he hasn't read it, I'm still going to yank it |
| 22:11.06 | JeffM | cus he gets a notification in client for the PM ;) |
| 22:11.08 | Winny | I never assumed you were an idiot |
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| 22:11.59 | L4m3r | Visual C++ Express is still free (gratis), right? |
| 22:12.20 | JeffM | yes |
| 22:12.22 | L4m3r | mmk |
| 22:12.24 | JeffM | I belive |
| 22:12.42 | L4m3r | some noob is PMing me asking me to do windows builds for him |
| 22:13.06 | L4m3r | (plugins, that is) |
| 22:13.20 | blast007 | L4m3r: they even have a 2008 Beta of the express versions out |
| 22:14.13 | JeffM | L4m3r, I repsponed to him in the forums, do not do it for him |
| 22:14.22 | JeffM | make them think |
| 22:14.30 | L4m3r | I know |
| 22:14.45 | L4m3r | I'm telling them to get VC++ and advising against serving on Windows :P |
| 22:15.12 | JeffM | best to do that publicly so all 3 of them know |
| 22:15.16 | L4m3r | I don't even have VS installed |
| 22:15.26 | JeffM | heh |
| 22:15.51 | L4m3r | the info is available publicly, and if I post it randomly no one will read it. it'd just be redundant. |
| 22:16.06 | JeffM | I assume it's one of these geniuses? http://my.bzflag.org/bb/viewtopic.php?t=11770 |
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| 22:16.40 | L4m3r | the OP, yes |
| 22:17.10 | JeffM | he's got the info he needs, there is no need for him to be bugging random people |
| 22:17.42 | blast007 | it's possible they got confused when I loved their topic to the correct forum |
| 22:17.45 | blast007 | moved* |
| 22:18.16 | JeffM | then they REALLY should not be developing plugins |
| 22:18.27 | Winny | that threads gets more awesome as you read it |
| 22:18.30 | JeffM | basic reading comprehention is a prereq. |
| 22:18.31 | Winny | "PS: I am banned from irc or i would have gone on there, but i guess i get what i deserve." |
| 22:19.36 | L4m3r | we can just wait for someone to offer them a DLL that's a trojan :P |
| 22:19.38 | blast007 | Winny: either that, or maybe he was trying to IRC as root... |
| 22:20.06 | JeffM | we can not, YOU can personaly ;) |
| 22:20.13 | Winny | L4m3r: was it? |
| 22:20.20 | JeffM | but your an admin so it's probably best if you make them learn |
| 22:20.32 | blast007 | L4m3r: bzfs -loadplugin Test1.dll "zomg, why is my mouse moving around the screen!" |
| 22:20.37 | JeffM | Winny, I've allready let him know what he needs to know |
| 22:22.15 | Winny | k |
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| 22:23.37 | JeffM | yeah |
| 22:23.44 | JeffM | tho I'm happy with the final responce ;) |
| 22:31.11 | CIA-MIA | libirc: 03JeffM2501 * r341 10/trunk/libirc/examples/stupidBot/src/stupidBot.cpp: ws |
| 22:32.12 | CIA-MIA | libirc: 03JeffM2501 * r342 10/trunk/libirc/botlib/ (inc/botlib.h src/botlib.cpp): methods to let the bot respond to methods privately instead of public if it's a channel message. |
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| 22:49.32 | CIA-MIA | libirc: 03JeffM2501 * r343 10/trunk/libirc/botlib/ (inc/botlib.h src/botlib.cpp): |
| 22:49.39 | CIA-MIA | libirc: make stuff that is supposed to be private to the bot class, be well private. |
| 22:49.43 | CIA-MIA | libirc: move the isForMe method to protected, and make it virtual in case anyone wants to override it's logic with more complex logic. |
| 22:55.06 | JeffM | that's why I didn't |
| 22:55.59 | Erroneous | mm, looks like I did make it use globbing though |
| 22:56.08 | Erroneous | and looks like that made it in to 2.0.8 |
| 22:58.40 | Tupone | TimRiker: probably you should add a dependency on glew for bzflag-client, debian |
| 22:59.37 | Erroneous | wow. looks like I even checked in the auto-update stuff. |
| 22:59.41 | Erroneous | I wonder if this works :) |
| 22:59.50 | JeffM | is that what you ended up doing for gentoo, Tupone ? |
| 22:59.51 | Erroneous | anyone have a 2.0.8 around they can test with? |
| 22:59.57 | Tupone | yep |
| 23:00.04 | Erroneous | on windows? |
| 23:00.10 | Tupone | fixed dependency |
| 23:00.13 | JeffM | cool |
| 23:00.24 | JeffM | personaly I like how it looks with glew ;) |
| 23:03.39 | CIA-MIA | libirc: 03JeffM2501 * r344 10/trunk/libirc/botlib/ (inc/botlib.h src/botlib.cpp): data utils for the config class |
| 23:13.24 | Erroneous | someone with 2.0.8 on windows want to try this? run with "-motd http://bzflag.org/motd-test.txt" and see what happens. |
| 23:14.08 | Erroneous | hmm. not good actually |
| 23:16.32 | Erroneous | k, try that |
| 23:16.44 | Erroneous | or am I gonna have to? :( |
| 23:17.45 | JeffM | installing |
| 23:18.10 | JeffM | well downloading |
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| 23:19.09 | JeffM | how can we help you diingfortheteam ? |
| 23:19.48 | L4m3r | JeffM, I think it goes, "Can *anyone* help you?" ;) |
| 23:20.00 | Erroneous | mm, our installer is spiffier than it used to be |
| 23:20.04 | JeffM | indeed |
| 23:20.14 | JeffM | ibot blast007 ++ |
| 23:20.19 | JeffM | oh god |
| 23:20.23 | JeffM | pre-nsis |
| 23:20.28 | Erroneous | no, nsis1 |
| 23:20.40 | JeffM | that woudl have been 1.10 IIRC |
| 23:20.49 | Erroneous | no, the g's used nsis iirc |
| 23:21.00 | Erroneous | e's were some ugly homebrew thing iirc |
| 23:21.06 | JeffM | ahh |
| 23:21.09 | JeffM | yeah that's right, g |
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| 23:22.24 | JeffM | it's downloading, Erroneous |
| 23:22.41 | Erroneous | nifty |
| 23:22.59 | JeffM | and it ran it even, very nice |
| 23:23.03 | JeffM | ibot, DTRemenak ++ |
| 23:23.21 | Erroneous | when I say auto, I mean AUTO :) |
| 23:23.35 | JeffM | this'll be the first big rollout of that |
| 23:24.05 | Erroneous | download status text is not right |
| 23:24.24 | JeffM | yeah |
| 23:24.26 | JeffM | but oh well |
| 23:24.29 | Erroneous | yup, oh well |
| 23:24.45 | Erroneous | dang, I forgot how slick that was :) |
| 23:25.56 | Erroneous | hm, download status stuff is just the filesize from curl |
| 23:26.03 | Erroneous | guess the sf mirrors don't report the size right |
| 23:26.25 | JeffM | streamtastic! |
| 23:27.03 | Erroneous | meh, whatever :) |
| 23:28.06 | Erroneous | hm, that should actually be in 2.0.6 too |
| 23:28.12 | Erroneous | wonder why we didn't use it for 2.0.8 |
| 23:28.25 | JeffM | maybe we did |
| 23:28.29 | Erroneous | heh |
| 23:28.36 | Erroneous | who would have removed the motd? :) |
| 23:29.24 | Erroneous | 'cause "10" is conveniently two digits |
| 23:30.07 | JeffM | do it |
| 23:30.10 | JeffM | everyone should upgrade |
| 23:30.12 | JeffM | or die |
| 23:31.30 | Erroneous | ahh, there it is |
| 23:32.32 | Erroneous | is there a canonical sf download url, or should I just nail some random mirror |
| 23:36.07 | Winny | thatexploding: cheating = bad |
| 23:36.22 | thatexploding | gee, really? |
| 23:36.34 | Winny | well, you said you wanted to aviod dying ;p |
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| 23:38.32 | Erroneous | someone want to try 2.0.10 and make sure that doesn't fire for it? |
| 23:38.37 | Erroneous | 'tis up |
| 23:38.52 | thatexploding | hasn't it been up for a week now? |
| 23:39.00 | Erroneous | motd is up |
| 23:39.16 | Erroneous | upgrade notification should fire on 2.0.6-2.0.9, but not on 2.0.10 |
| 23:39.18 | thatexploding | yeah, i see the motd |
| 23:39.35 | thatexploding | except im using 2.0.10rc3 for mac, and im getting that message |
| 23:39.48 | Winny | the msg never loads for me |
| 23:40.36 | L4m3r | isn't 2.0.10rc3 still 2.0.9, technically? |
| 23:40.46 | JeffM | indeed |
| 23:40.49 | JeffM | so it's all good |
| 23:40.51 | L4m3r | there ya go |
| 23:40.55 | L4m3r | :) |
| 23:40.57 | JeffM | the internal version is .9 I belive |
| 23:41.06 | JeffM | so upgrade!!!!!!!! |
| 23:41.15 | thatexploding | well, "there is no functional difference between the two" |
| 23:41.22 | JeffM | there isn't |
| 23:41.23 | thatexploding | said jeff... |
| 23:41.26 | JeffM | but upgrad |
| 23:41.29 | JeffM | damnit! |
| 23:41.31 | Erroneous | so the version number is 2.0.9-RC3? |
| 23:41.33 | JeffM | now |
| 23:41.34 | thatexploding | are the mac images available? |
| 23:41.37 | JeffM | no |
| 23:41.42 | JeffM | but upgrade!!!!! |
| 23:41.45 | thatexploding | so i CANT upgrade!!! |
| 23:41.45 | Erroneous | heh |
| 23:41.49 | JeffM | yes you can |
| 23:41.54 | JeffM | it's just hard |
| 23:42.00 | L4m3r | build your own, lightweight :P |
| 23:42.05 | thatexploding | via source.... but the last time i compiled, the client kept crashing |
| 23:42.06 | L4m3r | oh, is it that bad on the mac? :x |
| 23:42.18 | JeffM | well then don't do it wrong |
| 23:42.22 | JeffM | or just bug brlcad |
| 23:42.27 | thatexploding | i didnt do it wrong! |
| 23:42.35 | thatexploding | autogen.sh, configure, make |
| 23:42.38 | JeffM | if it kept crashing, then yes you did it wrong |
| 23:42.44 | JeffM | that's only part of it |
| 23:43.08 | Erroneous | the mac is probably our most difficult platform to build on |
| 23:43.14 | JeffM | indeed |
| 23:43.24 | JeffM | with all the special lib stuff you have to do |
| 23:43.30 | JeffM | and the magic directories |
| 23:43.34 | Erroneous | 'specially for dev, where the windows build process is cake |
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| 23:43.40 | JeffM | clickj. done |
| 23:43.51 | L4m3r | don't macs just work? :P |
| 23:43.58 | Winny | diing_for_the_te: any reason you have 3 clients open? |
| 23:44.01 | L4m3r | ah well, in either case the binary is easier |
| 23:44.02 | CBG | always |
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| 23:44.47 | L4m3r | Go for three, jeff! :P |
| 23:44.48 | JeffM2501 | diing_for_the_te, answer or the last one goes with a ban |
| 23:44.58 | JeffM2501 | what's the deal skip? |
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| 23:45.11 | JeffM2501 | okey dokey |
| 23:45.18 | Winny | hehe |
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| 23:48.14 | Erroneous | then we can exclude mac folks until the mac build is done :) |
| 23:57.15 | thatexploding | sorry, went afk during that conversation :) |