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00:04.49donny_bakeranyone here a native german speaker?
00:06.04whodaman-Ye
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00:06.17spldartnine
00:06.21spldarthehehe
00:06.34eTangenTno hablo ingles
00:06.39spldartque
00:06.51spldartvas iz das
00:07.04eTangenTcallate, loco.
00:07.12spldart:-D
00:07.30eTangenTbeen a while since I spoke any spanish
00:07.35eTangenTI quit Carl's Jr. in July :D
00:07.41eTangenTand am not in classes for it any more
00:07.57eTangenThowever, I am working on learning the lingo of the dining halls
00:08.05spldarto...k...
00:08.21eTangenTie. "We're out of buffalo chicken." is about equivalent to "We don't like you. Die."
00:08.36eTangenTbecause the stupid girl gave the girl behind me a buffalo chicken wrap
00:08.38spldartque chingow
00:08.39eTangenTand I'm like WTF
00:08.53eTangenTso I got these other crappy wraps
00:08.58eTangenTthat have spinach and what not
00:09.01eTangenTand nothing on its own is bad
00:09.02spldartI spell foe-net-ik-lee
00:09.07eTangenTbut the wrap is awful
00:09.10spldartLMAO
00:09.21spldartSomebody stick a superflag on his wrap please.
00:09.29spldartPor favor?!?!
00:09.45eTangenTI just need a teleport from my plate to my stomach
00:09.56spldartLMAO_squared
00:10.11eTangenTthen I want a GM to destroy Edwards Hall
00:10.12spldartlink plate stomach
00:10.26spldartSW the remaining standing ruins
00:11.30eTangenTSW my trash bin
00:11.55spldartRecycled and Trash-user
00:12.41donny_baker~whodaman-++
00:13.51eTangenTspldart: I may have to resort to using another meal for today to go somewhere else
00:13.55eTangenTand get food that fails less
00:14.44spldartmmMMmm food... it's dinner time here...
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02:21.54RPG_hey
02:22.11RPG_I was trying to install the newest 2.0.10 RC on my laptop, with mixed results
02:22.20RPG_grabbed the .deb package, installed it (Ubuntu 7.10)
02:22.27RPG_however, it's having trouble with my graphics settings
02:22.45RPG_it doesn't launch, instead produces "Could not set Video Mode: Couldn't find matching GLX visual"
02:23.15RPG_now, i've always had trouble with graphics support in linux on this laptop. Any suggestions?
02:24.12RPG_the card is an intgrated Intel Mobile GM965/GL960
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02:56.31Macrosoftwas anyone else playing at sigonasr's server just now
02:56.33Macrosoft?
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17:22.23Blue89is there a command line option for the bzfs that controls the maximum moving and turning speeds?
17:22.55Blue89I already tried -a, it's something else
17:22.58Tediusyep
17:23.05JeffMthey are variables
17:23.09JeffM_tankSpeed
17:23.17Tedius-set _tankAngVel
17:25.35AAA_awright-a is acceleration, not speed (correct?)
17:25.41JeffMyes'
17:26.00Blue89yes
17:26.08JeffMsets the how fast you can change states
17:26.16JeffM0 means you can change instantly
17:27.31TediusI was going to ping you Jeff, the change that was made to the showCoordinates yesterday affects the  Status Message
17:27.46JeffMhow late did you get code?
17:28.11Tediusthis morning
17:28.15JeffMahh
17:28.18JeffMthen show me a screeny
17:28.31Tediushttp://www.tedsmoker.com/whatdoyouthink/bzficurrent.png
17:28.59TediusI played with the numbers, pastebinning them:
17:29.16JeffMthe side looks ok, but what happened to the center part?
17:29.45Tediushttp://pastebin.bzflag.bz/m28c81e3e
17:29.51Tediusyeah, its linked to that y setting
17:29.59TediusI don't know why it would have to be
17:30.05JeffModd
17:30.16JeffMwell remind me tongiht and I'll take a look at it
17:30.19JeffMunless you want to fix it
17:30.26JeffMyou can detach them if you want
17:30.56Tediusthis is what that code looks like:
17:30.57Tediushttp://www.tedsmoker.com/whatdoyouthink/bzfishowcoords.png
17:31.11JeffMok cool
17:31.24Tediusshould I try to figure out how to submit a patch?
17:31.28JeffMmaybe move it down a smidge, you have a smiall amount of overlap
17:31.52Tediussee, the coords affect where the top Status is drawn
17:32.08JeffMyou can detatch those
17:32.17Tediusif I bring down the showcoords, it will overlap the "Driving with" message more
17:32.19JeffMthey shoudl be seperate
17:32.23Tediusindeed
17:32.26JeffMsplit em off to there own variable
17:33.04TediusGive me a day, and I'll figure it out
17:33.11Tedius<-- PHP programmer only
17:34.18Tediusthis is without showcoords on, fyi:http://www.tedsmoker.com/whatdoyouthink/bzfinoshowC.png
17:35.01JeffMmaybe I'll just put the coords down in the speed stuff
17:35.27JeffMthe var for showing coords is stupid now that we have have observer info
17:35.50JeffMI should just add the coordds to the info if your set to full
17:35.58JeffMor do people use them when playing for map work?
17:36.21Tediuswhen playing for map work? wha?
17:36.35JeffMthe show cords would work when you are playing IIRC
17:36.39JeffMso you can see where you are
17:36.44Tediusoh right, yeah, I use it when playing
17:37.00Tediusit comes in very handy when playing no radar maps
17:37.08JeffMthen I know what I'll do
17:37.19JeffMI'm going ot make it a playing thing only
17:37.33JeffMand put it back the way it used to be
17:37.55Tediusum, I think thats a worse idea
17:38.02JeffMwhy?
17:38.07TediusI'd rather you take it off the playing info
17:38.19Tediuswhen making maps, I'm always in observer, looking around
17:38.30JeffMok
17:38.38JeffManyone else have opionons on it?
17:39.14peter_bzon what?
17:39.35JeffMremoving the ability to see your coordinates while playing
17:40.44peter_bzerm, when testing my maps, I often play them, to see how high you are on an object for example, so I guess i'd be opposed to the idea
17:40.48donny_bakercould be used in conjunction with /flag show to get flags you want... granted it would be an admin doing it on most servers
17:41.39donny_bakeri don't think it is a real problem.. and if you take away the ability, it will only be the cheaters who have it :P
17:42.31peter_bz?
17:42.31_anomaly_its handy when testing new maps to know where you are and where you might want to place something
17:42.39JeffMthen I'll make it ether or
17:42.46TediusWith the change I made, the only people that see the overlap are those that have showCoords enabled, it is normal for everyone else
17:43.30JeffMthe coordinates are usefull info for observer info
17:43.44JeffMso it makes sense to just always put them in the observer info
17:43.51JeffMregardless of the stupid var
17:44.24JeffMso I'll put the non observer one back the way it was, and just merge in the pos with observer info as a new observer info line
17:45.12Tediussounds good to me
17:45.15TediusI have  a feeling very little people use it, if I'm the first to bring it up since 2.0.9 came out
17:45.27JeffM2.0.9 never came out
17:45.47Erroneousit's still in the closet
17:45.55JeffMindeed
17:46.14JeffMso it's probalby had little useage in conjunction WITH observer info
17:46.19JeffMsince .8 didn't have it
17:46.32JeffMI like this change better anyway
17:46.34JeffMit's less changes
17:48.38JeffMyeah only reason I changed it this close is because observer info IS a new thing, and consider this a bug with it.
17:48.48JeffMif CIA worked, you'd see a commit
17:48.54JeffMTedius, try it out
17:49.18Tediusok
17:49.44JeffMbasicly showCoordinates now only does something when you don't have observer info up
17:49.52JeffMand observer info always shows the postion
17:49.56JeffMright over the speed
17:50.28ErroneousJeffM: I wasn't complaining about your change, observer info is not a released feature, so it's impossible to create regressions in :)
17:50.43JeffMI know, I was just stating it in case anyone was curious ;)
17:50.58JeffMadding a field to the display is cake
17:51.28JeffMyeah it's not critical, but since it's new figured I'd at least have a look at it, if it was easy
17:51.30JeffMand it is
17:55.04Tediusuh oh
17:56.33Tediushttp://www.tedsmoker.com/whatdoyouthink/bzfiborkedstatus.png
17:56.56Tediusneed to add the y position to the status message
18:01.57Tediusah, line 761 ->     y += float(1.0*h);
18:02.21Tediusand then it will be perfect
18:03.22brlcadah, it's new
18:03.48TediusshowCoordinates has been around for a long time
18:04.03brlcadlong as in pre 2.0?
18:04.14TediusI wasn't around that long ago
18:04.53brlcadthen I wouldn't quite quantify it as a long time just yet .. there's only been one release since then
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18:05.14brlcader, since the last release, that wording sucks
18:05.33Tediusyeah, sorry, my timeline is different than most.  Its been around as long as I have :)
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18:05.44brlcadboth weeks then ;)
18:05.57Tediuslol
18:06.35brlcadcould be it was an observer-only feature that I just never noticed
18:07.03brlcadlots of little hidden modes and vars that only affect observer that I don't pay attention to unless I need them
18:07.47TediusIt hasn't been an observer-only feature, it has been available in both
18:08.03Tedius/localset showCoordinates 1
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19:09.01donny_bakermmmm... tofu...
19:09.11Birdieew tofu
19:09.24Birdieyour a vegitarian?
19:09.27Birdie(however you write that)
19:09.41donny_bakerpart time, depending on my wifes mood
19:09.52Birdie:)
19:09.57Birdiewifes..nothing but trouble
19:10.02donny_baker:)
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19:37.14Erroneoustofu: iirc I checked in showCoordinates very shortly after the 2.0 release (like within the next week or two)
19:37.28Erroneousso approaching three years
19:37.56JeffMthe fix is more for the new observer info, then the showCoordinate stuff, they were overlaping
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20:26.44tofuBirdie: hells no, but I do enjoy tofu from time to time if it's prepared well
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20:28.55TheRedBarontofu = donny_baker's wife?
20:29.17tofuheh
20:29.49Birdieits his guy:)
20:29.57Birdiehis man*
20:30.40TheRedBaronoh doh.
20:32.12Chestalhttp://www.cybertearoom.de/blog/tofus.gif  (sorry, German only)
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20:36.18brlcadfunny
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22:08.40spldarttime to downgrade from the buggy newer nvidia drivers to the much more stable older ones.
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22:51.09JeffMErroneous, how does one find the desktop res again?
22:51.17JeffMwinCaps or something like that?
22:51.22ErroneousGetSystemMetrics
22:51.28JeffMthat's it, thanks
22:51.37Erroneousmsdn docs for that will tell you the appropriate flags etc
22:51.43JeffMindeed, thanks
22:51.47JeffMjust needed the hint
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22:56.30JeffMwhat the heck is a "non-display pseudo-monitor"
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23:59.30donny_bakerJeffM: might that be the a terminal services session -- psudo-monitor?

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