| 00:01.54 | JeffM2501 | but anyway, you should not get that error anymore in the list |
| 00:05.57 | JeffM2501 | Erroneous, they have the picture online from the mentor summit |
| 00:06.06 | Erroneous | yup |
| 00:06.22 | Erroneous | also saw that someone already filled in our names |
| 00:06.35 | JeffM2501 | names? |
| 00:07.14 | Erroneous | http://googlesummerofcode.jot.com/GroupPhoto2007 |
| 00:07.50 | JeffM2501 | wow |
| 00:07.58 | JeffM2501 | sean do that? |
| 00:08.03 | Erroneous | dunno |
| 00:10.32 | JeffM2501 | yeah he did |
| 00:10.36 | JeffM2501 | on the 9th |
| 00:10.40 | Erroneous | yup |
| 00:11.13 | JeffM2501 | panorama shot up? |
| 00:11.20 | Erroneous | not yet |
| 00:11.27 | Erroneous | yuv says "soon" |
| 00:12.17 | JeffM2501 | heh, look at us being bored off to the side, http://www.flickr.com/photos/sebr/1518934388/in/set-72157602293436738/ |
| 00:12.30 | Erroneous | yup :) |
| 00:12.44 | Erroneous | there wre a couple good shots of the "always vegetarian" meat too :) |
| 00:13.46 | JeffM2501 | yeah that was funny |
| 00:14.45 | Winny | tofu? |
| 00:15.29 | JeffM2501 | http://flickr.com/photos/mayhem/1517573337/in/photostream/ |
| 00:15.34 | JeffM2501 | not tofu |
| 00:16.04 | Winny | hehe |
| 00:16.06 | AAA_awright | That is some good looking Tofu |
| 00:16.48 | Winny | does the picture really need "Oh the irony of placing the meat under the "always vegetarian" sign! " under it? :P |
| 00:17.20 | AAA_awright | Alt text, you need to know what is in the picture |
| 00:21.08 | Constitution | does anyone know what this means? http://pastebin.bzflag.bz/d134238d0 |
| 00:22.25 | JeffM2501 | what's on line 67 of your plug-in? |
| 00:22.56 | Constitution | DeathLoggerHandler handler; |
| 00:23.11 | Constitution | I'll pastebin the plugin too |
| 00:23.27 | JeffM2501 | what do you do in your constuctor? |
| 00:23.41 | Constitution | I don't define a constructor |
| 00:23.50 | JeffM2501 | what's on line 12? |
| 00:24.05 | Constitution | class declaration |
| 00:24.06 | Constitution | http://pastebin.bzflag.bz/d9c29999 |
| 00:24.52 | JeffM2501 | it's dieing in stdio |
| 00:25.08 | Constitution | so maybe my system libs? |
| 00:25.29 | JeffM2501 | well yeah that's why the last bit is /usr/lib/libstdc++.so.6 |
| 00:25.35 | JeffM2501 | but it should not die |
| 00:25.40 | JeffM2501 | it's just a constructor |
| 00:49.36 | Macrosoft | ...who deleted kumquat's post about leaving bzflag? |
| 00:50.11 | Winny | why do we need to know if he leaves> |
| 00:52.36 | tannerld | again... |
| 00:56.19 | Macrosoft | just thought it was weird that it was deleted, is all |
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| 01:56.50 | AAA_awright | The list server problem started around six hours ago |
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| 02:03.25 | Constitution | hmm, seems that server crash earlier only happens when torblock is loaded... and that's easily reproducible |
| 02:04.06 | JeffM | you have problems with tor users doing a full login? |
| 02:04.38 | Constitution | no |
| 02:05.20 | JeffM | then you don't really need torblock |
| 02:05.42 | Constitution | yeah, guess not... weird that it would affect my other plugin, though |
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| 03:09.19 | jude- | hello all |
| 03:10.31 | tannerld | long time no see :) |
| 03:11.15 | jude- | heh--with school and all, weekends are the only free-time I have left :/ |
| 03:18.29 | eTangenT | jude-: I won't even have that next semester |
| 03:18.32 | eTangenT | 18 credits :-\ |
| 03:19.10 | jude- | eTangenT: why subject yourself to that? |
| 03:19.21 | jude- | I'm doing 17 units, plus I'm a TA |
| 03:19.27 | eTangenT | jude-: Because I only ended up with 12 this semester |
| 03:19.33 | jude- | and I'm growing grey hair |
| 03:19.40 | jude- | (at least, it feels like it) |
| 03:20.12 | jude- | eTangenT: what's the minimum number of units per semester? |
| 03:20.18 | eTangenT | jude-: 12 |
| 03:20.45 | eTangenT | Technically, I'm in 13 credits... but only 12 count. |
| 03:20.53 | jude- | which one doesn't count? |
| 03:20.59 | eTangenT | a trig class I take online |
| 03:21.18 | jude- | are you paying tuition to take it? |
| 03:21.29 | eTangenT | jude-: I believe so. |
| 03:21.51 | eTangenT | It's a pre-req for Calc, though, unless you passed through it on the Math Placement Exam |
| 03:21.57 | eTangenT | which I apparently didn't |
| 03:22.02 | eTangenT | fortunately I only had to take 1 math mod |
| 03:22.10 | eTangenT | there are plenty of kids taking between 3 and 5 of them |
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| 03:22.25 | jude- | what are the math pre-reqs for CS majors at your uni? |
| 03:22.42 | eTangenT | We need two semesters of Calc for Natural Science majors |
| 03:22.54 | eTangenT | Matrices for Nat. Sci., and Stat |
| 03:23.56 | jude- | "matrices" ? |
| 03:24.02 | jude- | like Linear Algebra? |
| 03:24.04 | eTangenT | yeah |
| 03:24.11 | jude- | I remember that class |
| 03:24.13 | jude- | it was painful |
| 03:24.23 | eTangenT | apparently calc is terrible |
| 03:24.32 | eTangenT | they just had a midterm for Calc classes yesterday |
| 03:24.35 | jude- | calc I and II are terrible in general |
| 03:24.38 | eTangenT | in Calc II, the highest grade was a 65 |
| 03:24.43 | eTangenT | and there was no curve |
| 03:24.50 | jude- | harsh |
| 03:25.06 | jude- | that's why I took calc I in high school and calc II co-enrolled in a local community college (while in hs) |
| 03:25.44 | eTangenT | yeh |
| 03:25.48 | jude- | calc I and II are designed to weed out weaklings in college |
| 03:25.54 | eTangenT | idunno, I might end up switching from a CJ major to an ACT |
| 03:26.01 | eTangenT | applied computing technology |
| 03:26.17 | eTangenT | less scientific with programming and such, but you get basics, plus it's mixed in with business stuff |
| 03:26.20 | eTangenT | I'm just not sure |
| 03:26.35 | jude- | once you get past calculus, the only math-related courses you'll probably take will be discrete math coursses |
| 03:26.43 | jude- | they're pretty interesting |
| 03:26.51 | eTangenT | I'm in Foundations of Programming, which has discrete math in it |
| 03:26.58 | jude- | how much? |
| 03:27.16 | eTangenT | dunno entirely, but it's the only discrete math class they have for CS majors that I'm aware of |
| 03:27.22 | eTangenT | there is another higher level one, I believe |
| 03:27.38 | eTangenT | I think it's a grad-student class though |
| 03:27.44 | jude- | before you can even enter the major at my uni, you have to get a B or better in Introduction to Discrete Structures |
| 03:27.53 | jude- | (which I'm TA-ing :D) |
| 03:28.56 | jude- | it starts with logical proposition and predicates, truth tables, and deduction, and moves on to proofs, sets, relations, functions, probability, and then a bit of algorithm studies |
| 03:29.54 | jude- | after that, you have to take Analysis of Discrete Structures, which involves graph theory, sorting theory, asymptotic algorithm analysis, recurrence relations, and more (that we haven't gotten to yet) |
| 03:30.25 | jude- | you sure you're not supposed to take a discrete math class? |
| 03:31.31 | eTangenT | jude-: Yeah. From what you're saying, I guess our comparison is that we have that stuff mixed in to the computer classes. |
| 03:31.39 | jude- | ah |
| 03:31.51 | eTangenT | There's an algorithms and data structures class |
| 03:32.21 | eTangenT | there's more, I just can't remember right now |
| 03:32.43 | jude- | what other classes are you taking? |
| 03:33.36 | eTangenT | Freshman Seminar for CS Majors, Foundations of Programming, UNIX/C Programming I/C Programming II, and Social Problems |
| 03:33.45 | eTangenT | then the math mod one |
| 03:33.57 | jude- | Seminar classes are really interesting |
| 03:34.02 | eTangenT | I wasn't trying to be lazy with my schedule |
| 03:34.08 | eTangenT | everything was full |
| 03:34.08 | jude- | I took one my first semester--we got to meet all the research staff :) |
| 03:34.31 | jude- | "lazy with your schedule" ? It looks pretty full to me |
| 03:34.50 | eTangenT | Oh no, this is nothing. |
| 03:34.54 | eTangenT | Next semester's gonna be fun |
| 03:34.56 | jude- | 12 units is plenty for your 1st semester |
| 03:35.06 | eTangenT | gotta take Calc I, AND Composition, AND some other stuff |
| 03:35.15 | eTangenT | just one CS class, and that's Object Oriented Problem Solving |
| 03:35.45 | jude- | OO programming class is fun--lots and lots of coding |
| 03:36.05 | jude- | agile design, test-driven development, UML, concurrent development, design patterns, etc |
| 03:37.41 | jude- | hopefully only one semester of composition? |
| 03:38.09 | eTangenT | jude-: They recommend two |
| 03:38.26 | eTangenT | I've planned one of comp, one of professional writing and communication |
| 03:40.04 | jude- | you're lucky--I had to wait two semesters before taking the UNIX class |
| 03:42.05 | jude- | how is Social Problems? |
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| 03:47.22 | eTangenT | jude-: Social problems isn't bad |
| 03:47.26 | eTangenT | 350-person lecture |
| 03:47.35 | eTangenT | got an essay due on Thursday, but I finished it a week ago |
| 03:47.37 | eTangenT | so heh |
| 03:48.00 | jude- | sounds like my Middle Eastern Humanities class |
| 04:16.32 | JeffM | *sigh* why do people think that deleting their accounts solves all problems. |
| 04:18.02 | jude- | because they are sheeple |
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| 04:32.17 | eTangenT | hah |
| 04:32.19 | eTangenT | sheeple. |
| 04:33.42 | jude- | I wonder if there's a better word |
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| 10:31.06 | Birdie | what a crazy thing, i join a server and i get like 100kills in a row in one min:s, every one there had big ratios outside that one guy who was giving kills:s |
| 10:31.29 | Birdie | doesnt take time to respawn, doesnt need a bullet to kill him |
| 10:31.40 | ruskie | I think that's an annoying cheat |
| 10:32.00 | Birdie | i thought so to |
| 10:32.03 | Birdie | and i banned him |
| 10:32.15 | ruskie | banned once one such on viper |
| 10:33.29 | ts | Birdie: Did he have the SH flag? |
| 10:33.48 | Birdie | no he "got killed" was gone, respawn, kill, and that all in one second |
| 10:34.13 | ts | Ah, ok. |
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| 14:35.45 | SpazzyMcGee | heh |
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| 14:56.11 | Winny | aww, you deleted it :p |
| 14:58.58 | JeffM | well yeah cus your post wasn't that helpfull in the thread |
| 15:00.33 | Winny | Yeah it was, I stated exactly what he was doing |
| 15:03.11 | JeffM | you were mocking him and you know it |
| 15:04.28 | Winny | And you wouldn't have? He basically posted on a forum (a place for public discussion), saying he didn't care about our opinions... |
| 15:04.30 | Winny | Why post then? |
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| 15:04.52 | JeffM | and you did the same thing ;) |
| 15:05.02 | JeffM | so that's just as bad as his first post |
| 15:05.58 | Winny | How did I not care about opinion? I never implied that. I said that I wasn't following along with his "plz support mee" plot. |
| 15:06.17 | JeffM | I mean the thread was pointless |
| 15:06.19 | JeffM | in toto |
| 15:06.25 | JeffM | on all sides |
| 15:06.32 | Winny | heh |
| 15:06.43 | JeffM | 2 off topic posts in a thread don't make it on topic |
| 15:07.18 | Winny | Uh, neither post was OT, both me and Zaa were responding directly to what Defman said |
| 15:07.44 | JeffM | yeah, I know. and do we know where to post responces DIRECTLY to a person?.. maybe a private message. |
| 15:08.28 | Winny | Then what is the point of any threads? All threads are in direct response to the original post topic. |
| 15:08.47 | JeffM | If they are ALSO of interest to others |
| 15:09.09 | JeffM | a comunal discussion that has interest in more the one party |
| 15:09.31 | JeffM | such as the answer to a question, that another user may also have |
| 15:09.59 | JeffM | or a discussion on the flaws or merrits of a map, that others may also wish to add comment on. |
| 15:11.29 | Winny | hm, ok |
| 15:11.52 | JeffM | if the first post is off topic, no ammount of public discussion will ever make it on topic |
| 15:30.35 | tannerld | (in other words inflammatory) |
| 15:30.56 | JeffM | inflamaion is only one way to be off topic |
| 15:31.47 | tannerld | yeah, but that thread was basically that |
| 15:41.30 | Winny | but posting that did make me feel better :P |
| 15:55.04 | JeffM | gee just like his did... |
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| 16:30.25 | Djpenguin786 | hi all |
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| 17:11.56 | JeffM | seems defman is on the harmless bandwagon |
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| 17:17.36 | Djpenguin786 | Jeff |
| 17:17.54 | JeffM | Djpenguin786: |
| 17:18.58 | JeffM | just testing to see if you can say a first name? ;) |
| 17:19.18 | whodaman- | no he's in bzflag now |
| 17:19.25 | whodaman- | he's looking for a_met |
| 17:19.37 | JeffM | hooooooookkaaaay then |
| 17:19.58 | tannerld | a_met hasn't been seen for a while |
| 17:20.08 | whodaman- | i know |
| 17:20.08 | JeffM | can and will happen |
| 17:20.15 | JeffM | send him a PM, he'll get it |
| 17:20.17 | JeffM | and respond |
| 17:20.24 | JeffM | or an email |
| 17:33.41 | Djpenguin786 | talkin about me whodaman? |
| 17:44.08 | Djpenguin786 | Is it possible, for kb, to set multiple keys assigned to different speeds? |
| 17:44.23 | Djpenguin786 | Other than the common "a" |
| 17:45.00 | blast007 | no |
| 17:51.20 | JeffM | it is if you mod the code |
| 17:51.50 | Djpenguin786 | Which part? |
| 17:52.03 | blast007 | the part that does that |
| 17:52.06 | Djpenguin786 | Not in the conf |
| 17:52.11 | blast007 | no |
| 17:52.15 | JeffM | the part that turns the key press into 100% movement |
| 17:52.15 | blast007 | the code, as in, C++ |
| 17:52.21 | JeffM | as in, do a mod |
| 17:52.57 | Djpenguin786 | il look through it with Xcode |
| 17:53.58 | JeffM | do you know any C++? |
| 17:54.21 | tannerld | do groups mess up teleporters? |
| 17:55.01 | Djpenguin786 | Not much, but a lil Jeff |
| 17:56.31 | KTL | ah how is defman ? :) |
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| 18:21.06 | JeffM | aperantly angry |
| 18:22.21 | JeffM | mad that I won't go thru and manualy delete and clean up 165 posts to delete his account because he dosn't want to play anymore |
| 18:23.33 | tannerld | on a community I'm with, we just change his username to something gernal (userxxxx) and clear out all his information |
| 18:26.46 | JeffM | I disabled his account |
| 18:26.55 | JeffM | but I mean realy, all he HAD to do was not log in |
| 18:27.18 | Djpenguin786 | Not logging in disables account? |
| 18:27.30 | JeffM | no |
| 18:27.34 | JeffM | but it's the same thing |
| 18:27.42 | JeffM | it dosn't get used |
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| 18:27.55 | JeffM | if he dosn't want his acocunt noone is forcing him to use it |
| 18:28.07 | Djpenguin786 | there is no manual account delete |
| 18:28.08 | Djpenguin786 | ? |
| 18:28.12 | tannerld | lol - true |
| 18:28.23 | tannerld | Djpenguin786: not without a mod |
| 18:28.43 | JeffM | if the account has posts, I don't like to delete |
| 18:29.14 | tannerld | thats why we just change the name and clear the info, no hundreds of guest posts |
| 18:30.00 | Djpenguin786 | So if you delete the account you delete the posts? |
| 18:30.17 | tannerld | Djpenguin786: no the user gets deleted and the post say they are from a guest |
| 18:30.34 | Djpenguin786 | tanner1d: ohh i c |
| 18:31.11 | JeffM | for him I just unchecked "user is active" |
| 18:31.27 | JeffM | blocks out the name so people can't impersonate them as well |
| 18:32.01 | JeffM | well he also seems to be buddy buddy with harmless |
| 18:32.13 | JeffM | and indicated that he'd be forwading out new messages from him |
| 18:32.23 | JeffM | I told him that this was unacceptable |
| 18:33.08 | KTL | seems i got to read the forum |
| 18:35.18 | KTL | because i shoot all these people |
| 18:35.33 | KTL | but i dont know what else they do |
| 18:35.43 | JeffM | then perhaps you can introduce them to the concept of a "blog" |
| 18:35.55 | KTL | any urls ? :) |
| 18:35.59 | JeffM | they are free these days, and would help them say what they want to say |
| 18:36.04 | JeffM | for? |
| 18:36.18 | KTL | ah there are no blogs yet ok no urls to them too then. |
| 18:36.42 | JeffM | do you know what a blog is? |
| 18:36.56 | JeffM | they need to GET some, and not try to use bzbb as a blog |
| 18:36.59 | KTL | some wiki like structure where 1 person can put all his mind creations |
| 18:37.01 | JeffM | that is the core problem |
| 18:37.08 | JeffM | it's usualy not a wiki |
| 18:37.26 | KTL | i mean, they dont have to change the source code, it is automated |
| 18:37.31 | JeffM | CMS |
| 18:37.38 | KTL | yes |
| 18:37.44 | JeffM | I mean blogspot.. its' free |
| 18:37.59 | JeffM | and a lot easier then seting up a script to spam PMs to people |
| 18:38.07 | KTL | but they also want attention :) someone to read it :) bzflag forum users! |
| 18:38.08 | JeffM | just when you want to rag on somone who shot you. |
| 18:38.21 | KTL | those 2 are spamming with scripts??? |
| 18:38.28 | JeffM | harmless was |
| 18:39.40 | tannerld | hmm |
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| 19:24.17 | Djpenguin786 | anyone here know there way around C++ and interested in making a patch? |
| 19:24.28 | Djpenguin786 | A multiple speed key patch |
| 19:24.58 | Winny | IIRC, you can press d (or is it a..), to slow down |
| 19:25.22 | Winny | the mouse really is better suited for variable speed(s). |
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| 19:34.01 | ruskie | something odd happened on viper earlier... a few clients jsut suddenly died at the same time |
| 19:34.23 | tupone | 2.0.10rc2 ? |
| 19:35.24 | ruskie | rc3 |
| 19:35.29 | ruskie | was one of them |
| 19:35.36 | tupone | no core dump? |
| 19:36.09 | tupone | or is just a disconnection without a crash? |
| 19:36.18 | ruskie | I think it was disconnect |
| 19:36.26 | ruskie | but it happened on a few at the same time |
| 19:36.37 | tupone | so a server things it could be |
| 19:36.55 | ruskie | yeah I did lodge a report so hopefully Manu will be able to check the logs if there's anything in there |
| 19:37.22 | tupone | have you already contacted Manu? |
| 19:37.42 | ruskie | well he has access to server logs :) |
| 19:37.48 | ruskie | and he did get the server report :) |
| 19:38.00 | tupone | k |
| 19:42.54 | Djpenguin786 | Winny |
| 19:43.01 | Winny | Djpenguin786, |
| 19:43.23 | Djpenguin786 | Winny, i was interested in making a patch, to make it so u can set different keys for different speeds, and adjust those speeds too |
| 19:44.20 | Manu | ruskie: ?? |
| 19:44.23 | Djpenguin786 | so maybe for example, :one for climbing steep pyramids, one for exact jump between two blocks on a certain map |
| 19:44.32 | Djpenguin786 | etc.. |
| 19:44.50 | Winny | Djpenguin786: onc again, the mouse really is betteer suited for that stuff |
| 19:44.52 | Manu | ruskie: it happens since I remember ;) |
| 19:45.13 | Manu | ruskie: dunno why sometimes a few clients get crashed :( |
| 19:45.22 | Manu | all at the same time |
| 19:45.24 | Djpenguin786 | Winny: I have been using keyboard for as long as i can remember, and its hard once playing keyboard for so long to go back and do all that practice again |
| 19:45.54 | Djpenguin786 | I feel kb should get a lil more of the mouse experience without having to switch |
| 19:46.41 | brlcad | Djpenguin786: that could be potentially useful, but care would have to be taken on how you bind those keys |
| 19:46.55 | brlcad | the accel key sort of does this already |
| 19:47.22 | Djpenguin786 | well, yes, i was thinking something like "bind A up tankSpeed10" |
| 19:47.42 | Djpenguin786 | i want it to be like the "a" key but with different variables of speed that can be set |
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