| 00:00.21 | Epyon | I wish I'd had better textures :/ |
| 00:05.57 | KTL | <PROTECTED> |
| 00:07.28 | KTL | http://www.janeng.com/portfolio2/textures_01.html |
| 00:07.30 | Epyon | KTL, I need componential tilable textures, not any will do -_- |
| 00:09.00 | KTL | http://www.janeng.com/portfolio2/images/artwork/stonewall.jpg <- except the white border mmm ok it still does not fit |
| 00:12.45 | KTL | Epyon, these are technically good: http://www.humus.ca/index.php?page=Textures |
| 00:13.29 | SpazzyMcGee | http://www.mayang.com/textures/index.htm |
| 00:14.53 | KTL | cant find tilable pics there |
| 00:15.44 | Epyon | Yep I seen those, and even used some. Tileabling them is hard thou, especialy if perspecttive is skewed |
| 00:16.09 | SpazzyMcGee | Oh, If I use any from there, I photoshop them to be tile-able, |
| 00:16.14 | Epyon | KTL, that link doesn't work for me :/ |
| 00:16.37 | KTL | try again because humus.ca is good |
| 00:16.52 | Epyon | SpazzyMcGee, if I had time I'd do photos by myself :P |
| 00:17.03 | SpazzyMcGee | heh |
| 00:17.23 | SpazzyMcGee | Epyon: is this for BZWGen? |
| 00:17.36 | KTL | http://www.filterforge.com/filters/1957.html <- hey arent these usable? |
| 00:17.42 | CIA-24 | BZFlag: 03chaos-dev * r15942 10/trunk/bzwgen/rules/ (build.set facade.set init.set): Window images are now choosen from a set of 5 |
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| 00:18.03 | tannerld | Epyon: put a few broken window textures in there for kicks :P |
| 00:18.38 | SpazzyMcGee | I want to see street lamps! |
| 00:20.05 | Epyon | Wow, that filterforge seems to be a nice plugin. I need to ... apprehend ... a copy some day. |
| 00:21.42 | Epyon | Darn! What am I saying! Once I get ChaosForge registered I need to get fully legal on soft -_- |
| 00:23.01 | KTL | http://wiki.blender.org/uploads/5/5f/Filter_forge_crysta.jpg <- how would this look in bz |
| 00:23.27 | Winny | KTL: would look fine from straight ahead. |
| 00:23.47 | SpazzyMcGee | I tell you what would be cool: |
| 00:24.19 | SpazzyMcGee | Have the option to display the radar like an actual map. |
| 00:24.36 | SpazzyMcGee | i.e. Like a streetmap |
| 00:25.23 | SpazzyMcGee | Like this, for example. http://www.royalschoolhampstead.net/images/streetmap.jpg |
| 00:25.42 | KTL | ah ... with some sort of cell shading |
| 00:26.05 | Epyon | heh |
| 00:26.06 | SpazzyMcGee | Make everything in the map noradar, then overlay an invisible passable mesh that will draw on the radar. |
| 00:26.13 | KTL | bzmaps would have way too many lines on there |
| 00:26.19 | KTL | ah |
| 00:26.23 | SpazzyMcGee | How awesome would that look? |
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| 00:26.36 | KTL | depends on who makes the radar map |
| 00:26.38 | tannerld | SpazzyMcGee: brilliant! |
| 00:27.02 | SpazzyMcGee | KTL: how do you mean? |
| 00:27.33 | KTL | he some bzmaps are complicated enough, with an abstract allmost artistic radarview it could look better but be less functional |
| 00:28.16 | SpazzyMcGee | I see your point. |
| 00:28.27 | SpazzyMcGee | But I think it would make people less reliant on radar - a good thing. |
| 00:28.35 | KTL | lol |
| 00:29.02 | SpazzyMcGee | Middle ground between having no radar at all. |
| 00:29.05 | Winny | SpazzyMcGee: why is radar a bad thing? |
| 00:29.21 | Winny | IMHO, radar is more important and efficient then normal view. |
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| 00:29.35 | SpazzyMcGee | It isn't, I'm just thinking of ways to change people's way of playing. Add a bit of variation. |
| 00:29.51 | Winny | heh |
| 00:30.09 | Epyon | Winny, on Hepcat I don't look at the window at all, only on the radar xP |
| 00:30.15 | Winny | Epyon: indeed |
| 00:30.26 | SpazzyMcGee | I use radar a lot too, but it might be fun to see what something like that would do to gameplay. |
| 00:31.06 | SpazzyMcGee | I've been trying to incorporate it into a map for ages, but I haven't made a situation that works for it. |
| 00:31.18 | KTL | and my mind can oversee a small rectangle surface on the screen better then the whole screen at once, so even a big radar would get that problem |
| 00:31.44 | SpazzyMcGee | cities == perfect. |
| 00:31.45 | KTL | a matter of reaction speed |
| 00:34.15 | KTL | Epyon, googling for that maker of the plugin you search for also gives nice tiles, not realistic but nice, Crapadilla is the name, http://www.filterforge.com/forum/read.php?FID=10&TID=1799&PAGEN_1=2 |
| 00:34.48 | KTL | oh i want to see all these tiles working :D |
| 00:35.56 | CIA-24 | BZFlag: 03chaos-dev * r15943 10/trunk/bzwgen/inc/Mesh.h: Horizontal and Vertical vector returning methods added to Mesh class |
| 00:38.37 | Winny | SpazzyMcGee: what was the name of that song that had the cool drum/bass? |
| 00:39.07 | SpazzyMcGee | Which? |
| 00:39.26 | SpazzyMcGee | "Slam" by Pendulum? |
| 00:39.27 | Winny | you posted it in #mdg.. I forget what it was called... by pendulum I think |
| 00:39.53 | Winny | ok, thanks |
| 00:39.58 | SpazzyMcGee | Why? |
| 00:40.05 | Winny | looking for it in iTunes |
| 00:40.17 | SpazzyMcGee | ah. |
| 00:40.49 | SpazzyMcGee | Is it just me or has the most recent itunes update caused it to hog CPU? |
| 00:41.33 | Winny | its you |
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| 00:43.13 | blast007 | JeffM: yes, it would be possible to have official announcements from the form show up as news posts |
| 00:43.18 | blast007 | forum* |
| 00:43.35 | JeffM | new mail messages? |
| 00:43.59 | JeffM | basicly I'd want the mailing list to get a copy of any new posts to the thread |
| 00:44.13 | JeffM | guess I could just make an account that has the list as it's e-mail? |
| 00:44.17 | blast007 | ah |
| 00:44.56 | JeffM | basicly all 3 places have the same info |
| 00:45.23 | JeffM | so that when 2.0.10 is done we can say "hey don't put anthing in branch or you die." |
| 00:45.46 | JeffM | and have the froum for disuccsion of critical bugs before commiting |
| 00:45.56 | JeffM | and have THAT discussion sent out to the mail list |
| 00:46.19 | JeffM | it'd be awesome if mail list could come back as a post, but that could be hard I'd think |
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| 01:11.01 | Tupone | JeffM: It seems the anticheat works, just default is log only |
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| 01:11.27 | Tupone | maybe I should ask Manu to test it better |
| 01:11.35 | JeffM | dist? or flag? |
| 01:11.39 | Tupone | dist |
| 01:11.43 | JeffM | k |
| 01:11.59 | JeffM | the max dist was computed wrong |
| 01:12.18 | JeffM | cus the server timestamp was never updated |
| 01:12.50 | Tupone | really, I did not updated , so maybe is just random |
| 01:12.52 | Tupone | ok |
| 01:12.59 | Tupone | you fixed it? |
| 01:13.03 | JeffM | yes |
| 01:18.30 | Tupone | and you committed it? it does not work here after updating |
| 01:21.13 | Tupone | ahh you disabled it by default ok |
| 01:22.04 | JeffM | it may have kicked somone that it should not with my testing |
| 01:22.10 | JeffM | and the fixed max dist |
| 01:22.23 | JeffM | I was geting max distances ( non squared ) of over 2000 units |
| 01:26.31 | JeffM | manu and I tested it |
| 01:26.45 | JeffM | if you feel it's good then just turn it on by default |
| 01:26.53 | JeffM | the logic is the same, I just put it in another function |
| 01:27.46 | JeffM | the max distances I was geting looked a lot more reasonable after I added the serverTimeStamp update to both the state update functions ( it was only in one of them ) |
| 01:28.40 | Tupone | the code look really ugly now to me :/ |
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| 01:29.54 | JeffM | well I was trying to follow it, so added whitespace |
| 01:30.00 | Tupone | but is good youfind the bug |
| 01:30.06 | JeffM | I understand it now, so feel free to put it back if you wish |
| 01:31.03 | Tupone | why someone (probably you) put a min of 0.5 seconds on update? |
| 01:31.10 | a_meteorite | you guys figured out why it wasn't working? |
| 01:31.11 | Tupone | invalid kick |
| 01:31.27 | Tupone | server time not updated |
| 01:31.56 | JeffM | maybe there are more places it needs to be updated |
| 01:32.41 | JeffM | it needs to be updatd each time the last state is updated |
| 01:33.13 | Tupone | sorry: invalid kick was a probable answer to why there is a min of 0.5 sec on update. JeffM do you confirm that? |
| 01:34.29 | Tupone | and to a_meteorite, the variable used to check the server time was not updated. Well I have to review that. It does not convince me much |
| 01:34.30 | JeffM | possibly |
| 01:34.42 | JeffM | I lowered the min time |
| 01:34.47 | JeffM | but maybe I went too slow |
| 01:34.51 | JeffM | too low |
| 01:35.05 | JeffM | cus at 0.5 sec that can make for a big max dist |
| 01:35.26 | JeffM | and if they send a lot of updates they can then just move a lot of max 1/2 max distances |
| 01:35.45 | JeffM | I think it's just there for zero protection initaly |
| 01:35.56 | JeffM | but then was added to try and work around the time update problem |
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| 01:36.40 | Tupone | ahh, well, we should not make the release depend on it then. There is too much to test :/ |
| 01:37.14 | JeffM | that's why I made it bzdb var controlled |
| 01:37.18 | JeffM | so we can play with it after |
| 01:44.43 | JeffM | but play with it till monday |
| 01:44.58 | JeffM | maybe it can be worked out |
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| 01:46.41 | JeffM | at least it's easy to turn on and off now |
| 01:46.46 | Tupone | the "developer" group that is admin in some server, how is defined? is c3po there? |
| 01:47.34 | a_meteorite | Tupone: iirc, anyone with cvs commit is added to the developers global group |
| 01:48.02 | Tupone | but with what name? I use a different nick to play |
| 01:49.52 | JeffM | a_meteorite, not nessisaraly, we forget people all the time |
| 01:50.08 | a_meteorite | JeffM: in theory :) |
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| 02:47.22 | ahs3 | I have having trouble with scale using mesh... |
| 02:47.57 | ahs3 | when using meshbox, arc, or anything else but mesh it scales size... |
| 02:48.17 | ahs3 | but when using scale in mesh, it scales pos |
| 02:48.24 | ahs3 | any ideas? |
| 02:50.14 | Winny | your mesh probably wasn't centered to begin with |
| 02:50.51 | ahs3 | no using define, then scale in group |
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| 03:02.34 | TD-Linux | ahs3, scale it _before_ positioning it. |
| 03:02.53 | ahs3 | k, thanks |
| 03:03.00 | TD-Linux | you usually want rotate, then scale, then slide/position/whatever. |
| 03:03.34 | TD-Linux | scale works around the origin (0,0,0), so if you slide it first, it will be messed up. |
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| 03:03.48 | ahs3 | i see, that makes sense |
| 03:03.58 | ahs3 | thanks |
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| 03:29.20 | jude- | hello all |
| 03:31.29 | Supaplex | ay' |
| 04:24.03 | CIA-24 | BZFlag: 03judecn * r15944 10/trunk/bzworkbench/ (7 files in 5 dirs): Multiple selected objects now rotate uniformly; gave BZWB transformations the option of being cosmetic-only (i.e. not written to the disk) |
| 04:24.50 | a_meteorite | jude-: hi |
| 04:25.22 | a_meteorite | I had gotten bzworkbench, but no makefiles, noticed that it was an eclipse project... but how do I compile from eclipse? |
| 04:25.36 | jude- | makefiles are in Debug/ |
| 04:25.40 | a_meteorite | ... |
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| 04:26.14 | jude- | I know, it's non-standard, but then again, BZWB is still a WIP |
| 04:29.11 | a_meteorite | oh, yay, GL/gl.h doesn't exist... |
| 04:29.27 | a_meteorite | mac os x with dev tools |
| 04:29.30 | jude- | joy |
| 04:31.53 | a_meteorite | mac os x uses OpenGL/gl.h :) |
| 04:32.30 | JeffM | that's why we always include bzGL.h |
| 04:32.40 | JeffM | it includes the right stuff for each OS |
| 04:32.48 | JeffM | on windows you need windows.h before gl.h |
| 04:35.39 | jude- | a_meteorite: which file(s) include GL/gl.h? |
| 04:35.50 | JeffM | it's not a 32bit value on all systems |
| 04:36.14 | a_meteorite | jude-: so far ./include/render/Selection.h |
| 04:36.24 | a_meteorite | there may be more, but I haven't gotten to it yet |
| 04:37.06 | JeffM | it may not be you |
| 04:37.10 | jude- | no, it's me |
| 04:37.44 | jude- | I might have needed it in the past, but the Selection class doesn't use any parts of the OpenGL API |
| 04:38.30 | CIA-24 | BZFlag: 03judecn * r15945 10/trunk/bzworkbench/ (include/render/Selection.h src/objects/group.cpp): Removed #include <GL/gl.h> from Selection.h (it was unneeded) |
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| 04:45.12 | a_meteorite | jude-: it goes to link bzwb, get this: "/usr/bin/ld: unknown flag: -obzworkbench" |
| 04:45.22 | jude- | *sigh* |
| 04:45.46 | jude- | hang on a sec |
| 04:46.50 | CIA-24 | BZFlag: 03judecn * r15946 10/trunk/bzworkbench/ (Debug/makefile include/render/Selection.h): Use -o "bzworkbench" in makefile |
| 04:47.49 | a_meteorite | "/usr/bin/ld: can't locate file for: -losg" ack... I *know* I install OpenSceneGraph's package |
| 04:48.56 | jude- | it's because Mac OS X's build system is too stupid to know that -losg and -l osg are the same thing |
| 04:49.37 | a_meteorite | no, the link command is "-losg" |
| 04:49.52 | jude- | it shouldn't matter |
| 04:51.08 | jude- | ld thinks "-losg" is the lib |
| 04:51.30 | a_meteorite | oh |
| 04:51.44 | a_meteorite | that's what I thought you meant |
| 04:51.51 | jude- | hehe |
| 04:52.45 | a_meteorite | so, uh, is there a workaround? |
| 04:52.58 | jude- | use -l"osg" or -l osg |
| 04:53.29 | a_meteorite | neither works |
| 04:54.07 | CIA-24 | BZFlag: 03judecn * r15947 10/trunk/bzworkbench/Debug/objects.mk: Put library names in ""s |
| 04:54.11 | jude- | oh |
| 04:54.54 | jude- | hmmm... |
| 04:55.14 | a_meteorite | in fact, none of these work: "-losg -losgViewer -lfltk_gl -lGL -lGLU" (I removed -losg and one by one, each could not find the file |
| 04:55.15 | jude- | a_meteorite: which package? |
| 04:55.28 | a_meteorite | er, minus the lfltk_gl |
| 04:55.57 | a_meteorite | but then I get undefined symbols without those :( |
| 04:56.05 | jude- | yup, that'll happen |
| 04:56.21 | a_meteorite | jude-: openscenegraph 2.0, I didn't compile it, I downloaded their mac os x package |
| 04:56.37 | jude- | are its libs in LD_LIBRARY_PATH? |
| 04:56.53 | jude- | IIRC, they install to /usr/local/lib/ |
| 04:58.19 | a_meteorite | nope, it didn't install there |
| 04:58.27 | a_meteorite | it probably installed one of those dandy frameworks |
| 04:59.26 | jude- | so, libosg and libosgViewer aren't in your LD_LIBRARY_PATH I take it? |
| 04:59.31 | a_meteorite | yup, /Library/Frameworks/osg.framework |
| 04:59.33 | a_meteorite | nope.. |
| 04:59.53 | a_meteorite | I checked both /usr/lib and /usr/local/lib for libosg |
| 05:00.14 | jude- | is osg.framework a directory? |
| 05:00.16 | a_meteorite | yes |
| 05:00.25 | a_meteorite | I checked in there, no libosg.dylib/.so |
| 05:00.42 | jude- | just add /Library/Frameworks/osg.framework to your LD_LIBRARY_PATH, and it should work (assuming the libs are within osg.framework) |
| 05:01.50 | a_meteorite | didn't work |
| 05:02.00 | jude- | where, precisely, are the libraries? |
| 05:02.02 | a_meteorite | I'm just going to compile osg, that should install the libs in the right places |
| 05:02.07 | jude- | heh |
| 05:02.25 | a_meteorite | well, .frameworks are useful for obj-c/xcode, iirc |
| 05:02.38 | jude- | oh |
| 05:02.41 | a_meteorite | dunno why they don't make their package install the "traditional" libs |
| 05:02.51 | jude- | that's annoying |
| 05:05.54 | a_meteorite | heh, and osg depends on cmake. fun! |
| 05:06.05 | jude- | yup |
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| 09:47.06 | jftsang | <PROTECTED> |
| 09:47.15 | jftsang | seems to have no effect whatsoever?!! |
| 09:48.03 | Tupone | sun should be |
| 09:49.36 | jftsang | doesnt |
| 09:49.56 | jftsang | i tried a load of different values; they didnt affect the sun or moon at all |
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| 15:40.36 | Winny | does anyone know if iTunes plus is only available in USA? |
| 15:41.01 | whodaman- | germany too |
| 15:41.03 | whodaman- | i think |
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| 15:49.07 | Birdie | why would they limit it? |
| 15:51.43 | JeffM | cus it's part of a licensing deal with the music owners |
| 15:51.48 | JeffM | who may not want it everywhere |
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| 16:02.53 | jftsang | http://my.bzflag.org/bb/download.php?id=7583 |
| 16:03.08 | jftsang | can a norang admin put this up please |
| 16:07.11 | jftsang | (it is version 1.4, again already to use) |
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| 17:06.52 | SportChick | JeffM: you around? |
| 17:06.56 | JeffM | yes |
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| 17:14.44 | JeffMFishBone | anyone for or against making the changes ts made to the radar into a config option? |
| 17:15.13 | tannerld | two jeffs? |
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| 17:42.38 | CIA-24 | BZFlag: 03JeffM2501 * r15948 10/branches/v2_0branch/bzflag/ (4 files in 3 dirs): |
| 17:42.42 | CIA-24 | BZFlag: make using the mesh values instead of the face values for drawing the radar be |
| 17:42.47 | CIA-24 | BZFlag: an option. Yes the mesh values are more consistent with how we draw boxes and |
| 17:42.49 | CIA-24 | BZFlag: pyramids, but a bug fix point release is not the place to force a change. |
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| 18:50.31 | tannerld | ~delusional++ |
| 18:51.11 | delusional | heh, progress is being made in the drawinfo area |
| 18:51.40 | delusional | and it only took 19 months! |
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| 19:42.03 | jftsang | tannerld: in response to your demands i have produced vers 1.4b |
| 19:42.04 | jftsang | http://my.bzflag.org/bb/download.php?id=7591 |
| 19:42.14 | jftsang | when can you upload this if at all |
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