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| 00:08.57 | nick125 | evening everyone (or whatever it is in your part of the world ;-)) |
| 00:10.58 | blast007 | hello |
| 00:17.42 | JeffM | word! |
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| 00:18.40 | nick125 | mmm |
| 00:20.39 | nick125 | Is there a cheatsheet of all of the shapes/options/etc for a bzflag map? |
| 00:21.07 | Winny | theres http://my.bzflag.org/w/ |
| 00:21.15 | Winny | its has a map making section, which might be close |
| 00:22.15 | Winny | nick125: http://my.bzflag.org/w/Category:Map_Making has a bunch of objects at the bottom of the page |
| 00:22.22 | nick125 | mmm....fun |
| 00:22.27 | nick125 | thanks |
| 00:22.44 | Winny | np |
| 00:23.38 | whodaman- | sup Winny |
| 00:23.43 | Winny | the sky |
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| 01:07.47 | jude- | hello all |
| 01:08.16 | blast007 | hi jude- |
| 01:09.40 | brlcad | howdy jude- |
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| 02:12.28 | tannerld | O.o |
| 02:14.01 | jude- | >.< |
| 02:14.50 | Epyon | Two screenies for people who think that no work has been done since the last update : |
| 02:14.52 | Epyon | http://bzflag.chaosforge.org/screenshots/bzfi0079.png |
| 02:14.58 | Epyon | http://bzflag.chaosforge.org/screenshots/bzfi0080.png |
| 02:15.02 | Epyon | :P |
| 02:15.17 | jude- | oooooo |
| 02:15.22 | jude- | ~Epyon++ |
| 02:16.02 | nick125 | Epyon: Is that a map or something? |
| 02:16.17 | Epyon | nick125, what does it look like? :P |
| 02:16.25 | jude- | nick125: created with his bzwgen project :) |
| 02:16.33 | nick125 | Epyon: Nice :p |
| 02:17.01 | Epyon | nick125, it's procedural and random -- generated anew each time you run bzwgen xP |
| 02:17.26 | Epyon | nick125, you can see it live -- find server and use the word Epyon to filter. |
| 02:18.09 | tannerld | Epyon: pretty radar :P |
| 02:18.20 | tannerld | Epyon: you should add images from google street view :P |
| 02:19.16 | delusional | nick125 epyn has been working on the project for a very long time http://bzflag.chaosforge.org/ |
| 02:19.49 | nick125 | Wow, that's pretty cool. |
| 02:21.21 | Epyon | BLOG UPDATED :D |
| 02:21.23 | Epyon | http://bzflag.chaosforge.org/ |
| 02:21.33 | Epyon | "BZFlag at the University" |
| 02:22.13 | Epyon | Hell, I'm quite proud of the blog in retrospective :) |
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| 02:23.30 | delusional | Is there anything like a "town square"? it needs a fountain or something |
| 02:23.50 | Epyon | not yet. Maybe it'll make it in before the Thesis deadline. |
| 02:24.09 | Epyon | This week will see a spur in bzwgen "enprettying" |
| 02:24.20 | delusional | cute. |
| 02:24.46 | Epyon | I want to make it at least "almost" as pretty as the SIGGRAPH ones. |
| 02:27.16 | delusional | how does it do with shadows, at dawn and dusk? does it get too dark or get wonky in any way? |
| 02:27.32 | Epyon | delusional, I'd love to be able to add lightmaps :P |
| 02:27.51 | delusional | Save the champagne for when you get your grade. |
| 02:27.54 | Epyon | delusional, it looks good apart from the lack of lights in the windows. |
| 02:29.13 | Epyon | delusional, I managed to set up ssh-tunneling for using a svn server on a shared hosting account that barely gives shell access, being a total linux-noob. I deserve a wine xP. |
| 02:30.13 | jude-|dinner | Epyon: get a LiveCD and work with that :) |
| 02:31.44 | Epyon | jude-|dinner, I have a VMWare based linux open even now, so that's not the problem :P |
| 02:33.01 | nick125 | Anyone here know anything about writing plugins for the bzflag client? |
| 02:33.35 | delusional | what is the plugin you want? |
| 02:33.58 | nick125 | I'm thinking of writing a plugin to display information on the G15's LCD screen |
| 02:34.10 | Epyon | nick125, start here |
| 02:34.11 | delusional | G15? |
| 02:34.12 | Epyon | http://my.bzflag.org/w/Category:Plug-Ins |
| 02:34.20 | Epyon | delusional Logitech Keyboard :) |
| 02:34.22 | blast007 | delusional: a keyboard from logitech with an LCD screen |
| 02:34.24 | nick125 | delusional: Logitech keyboard |
| 02:34.28 | blast007 | I have one ;) pretty cool |
| 02:34.29 | Epyon | lol |
| 02:34.47 | nick125 | I wish g15macro wasn't such a piece of junk...:( |
| 02:34.51 | Epyon | I prefer the Mouse and Keyboard MX1000/MX50000 combo. |
| 02:34.52 | delusional | OH.. RPG did that awhile ago |
| 02:35.08 | Epyon | 5000* |
| 02:35.42 | blast007 | Epyon: I like the backlight of mine |
| 02:36.48 | nick125 | Yeah, i guess after I got through the bad keyboards, it's pretty nice. |
| 02:37.55 | Epyon | blast007, yeah, I considered it, but decided that I prefer wireless |
| 02:39.07 | delusional | wireless keyboards rock. gotta have the rechargable batteries though |
| 02:39.13 | Epyon | jude-|dinner, sorry, bluetooth :) |
| 02:39.32 | jude- | same flaw |
| 02:39.39 | Epyon | delusional, I have two sets of batteries, and I change them like every month only. |
| 02:39.55 | Epyon | So I could easily go with normal batteries. |
| 02:40.05 | delusional | playing bzflag using the keys wears mine down a lot faster. |
| 02:40.42 | Epyon | jude-, same flaw? The data is encrypted via the common passphrase for the keyboard. |
| 02:40.54 | jude- | if I collect enough data, I can break the key |
| 02:41.24 | Epyon | Not to mention that somebody would have to be so enclined that with that amount of resources he could do a lot more evil stuff :P |
| 02:41.25 | nick125 | I hate wireless for keyboards. It's okay for mice though. |
| 02:41.27 | jude- | it's not like you're using 4,096 bit hardware-accelerated encryption on your keyboard :) |
| 02:41.51 | Epyon | delusional, that's surprisingly different between vendors. |
| 02:41.53 | jude- | Epyon: all it would take is for someone with a bluetooth receiver sitting outside your room for a few hours |
| 02:42.10 | Epyon | jude-, he'd have to be in my home then :> |
| 02:42.36 | Epyon | And considering that I don't screensaver lock my computer that would be a really stupid thing to do xP |
| 02:42.49 | jude- | how far inside your home is your keyboard? |
| 02:43.02 | delusional | there are radio-telescopes. with sensitive enough equipment, you could pick up signals from pretty far away |
| 02:43.11 | jude- | indeed |
| 02:43.24 | Epyon | delusional, you think someone with that tech would care to read my keyboard? :P |
| 02:43.28 | jude- | but if your keyboard is within 10 meters of a wall, it wouldn't be that hard to pick up |
| 02:43.31 | delusional | not at all |
| 02:44.01 | Epyon | yep, the first rule of cryptography and security is -- check if you're not getting paranoical xP |
| 02:44.23 | jude- | you can't be too careful |
| 02:44.28 | Epyon | lol |
| 02:44.34 | jude- | ~spell paranoical |
| 02:44.51 | jude- | that's a cool word :) |
| 02:45.01 | nick125 | I swear that I'm oging to write a new map this weekend. |
| 02:45.02 | Epyon | jude-, oh come one, don't pick on my spelling, I'm not a native english speaker xP |
| 02:45.14 | jude- | I know |
| 02:45.20 | jude- | I mean you no offense |
| 02:45.42 | blast007 | Epyon: you make less spelling errors than I do :P |
| 02:46.12 | jude- | I'm just saying paranoical is a cool word that I'm going to start saying out loud :) |
| 02:46.18 | Epyon | blast007, O.o |
| 02:47.30 | jude- | Epyon, I'm not *that* paranoid...I'm not using OpenBSD :) |
| 02:47.43 | jude- | *paranoical |
| 02:48.14 | Epyon | Anyway, someone tracking wireless transmissions in the next room would know my keystrokes, mice moves, what I draw, what I listen to, my skype conversation, my gameplaying (joystick) so I really don't care :P |
| 02:49.14 | Epyon | I'm a person who only uses "secure" passwords for his bank and paypal account, the rest uses simple to remember passwords :P |
| 02:49.40 | Epyon | I don't have anything to hide, and anything of value, so why should I care? |
| 02:49.57 | jude- | it's the principle of the thing :) |
| 02:50.02 | Epyon | That someone reads my love letters, or PM conversations? xP |
| 02:50.38 | Epyon | jude-, the basic rule is "don't waste time and comfort on irrevelant things" xP |
| 02:51.02 | jude- | my unique ID isn't irrelevant |
| 02:51.44 | Epyon | even my projects aren't worth protecting -- they'll all be GPLed some day anyway. |
| 02:53.06 | jude- | I'm not worried about my code...yet (for the same reasons) |
| 02:53.56 | jude- | I'm mostly worried about bank balance statements, previous transactions, protecting access to my machines and remote personal data, etc. |
| 02:54.58 | jude- | i.e. keeping archives in tact without introducing the possibility of tampering |
| 02:55.11 | Epyon | My bank account is insured against an hacking attempt :P |
| 02:55.20 | jude- | same here |
| 02:55.31 | jude- | but why wait for a hacker to get access? |
| 02:56.50 | Epyon | jude-, yeah, but to be really protected, I suggest you take out all the money from the bank (banks are insecure too!) buy gold with it, put it into a sock, and put it under your pillow, right beside the 9mm Beretta. |
| 02:56.54 | Epyon | :P |
| 02:57.34 | jude- | banks are insecure, yes, but my funds are federally insured regardless of the bank's problems |
| 02:57.38 | jude- | transparent to me |
| 02:57.49 | jude- | so it's to my advantage to leave the money in the bank and collect interest :) |
| 02:57.49 | Epyon | There are many ways to keep protected. But there's always a border. People have different bariers. |
| 02:58.10 | Epyon | jude-, there is no 100% secure institution nor system :P |
| 02:58.41 | jude- | but there are enough INsecure systems around to keep the hackers busy while my data and resources stay safe :) |
| 02:58.44 | Epyon | Someone may hack into it, and cover all the tracks so it looks as it was you who took the money :P |
| 02:59.20 | Epyon | jude-, there are many people that click on scam links in spam mail, so I feel secure xP |
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| 03:00.16 | jude- | the real trick to security is not to have PERFECT security, but to be more secure than everyone else so it's not worth the thief's time to hack me |
| 03:00.31 | Epyon | Also, I don't give a big value to money. The most valuable thing I have is my (as yet small) collected experience. I won't die as long as I have it. And I try to put all money into increasing it anyway. |
| 03:01.04 | Epyon | That'd take time and effort that I'd rather spend on something more constructive :) |
| 03:01.05 | jude- | same here, but unfortunately money is a necessary to survival in 1st world nations |
| 03:01.23 | jude- | *necessity |
| 03:01.39 | jude- | so it's worth a bit of time to secure |
| 03:02.08 | jude- | besides, money isn't as important as one's ID |
| 03:02.14 | Epyon | jude-, well yeah, I understand in the case of the US. In Poland I know I could get back to a reasonable lifestyle, even if I would suddenly find myself on the street without no money nor anyone to support me. |
| 03:02.59 | jude- | it's getting harder and harder to do that in the US |
| 03:03.11 | Epyon | ~spell neccesseties |
| 03:03.39 | Epyon | Two basic necessities here -- Education and Health Care, are free in Poland. |
| 03:03.58 | jude- | is college free? |
| 03:04.04 | Epyon | Yep :) |
| 03:04.57 | jude- | how are taxes? |
| 03:05.38 | Epyon | And you *can* live on the edge here for 300$ a month. So I basically could do a living being a eternal student and doing GSoC's :P |
| 03:05.49 | jude- | lol |
| 03:06.15 | Epyon | AFAIK there is no age limit on GSoC students :P |
| 03:06.24 | jude- | nope |
| 03:07.26 | Epyon | BTW, are PhD studies in the US paid? |
| 03:07.44 | Hannibal | nope |
| 03:07.45 | Epyon | that is - do you pay to do PhD studies? |
| 03:07.45 | jude- | nope |
| 03:07.50 | jude- | oh, yes |
| 03:07.55 | Hannibal | you pay the school |
| 03:08.11 | Epyon | As much as you pay for college? O.O |
| 03:08.17 | nick125 | Yeah, you pay the school. Usually a ton of money. |
| 03:08.26 | jude- | although if you're a PhD student, you're probably also part of a fellowship or a research assistant or a TA or something |
| 03:08.36 | Epyon | OMG, funny difference - in Poland you get PAID for doing PhD :P |
| 03:08.45 | nick125 | Epyon: Haha. |
| 03:08.48 | jude- | Epyon: I pay about $2500 per semester to go to college |
| 03:08.52 | Winny | cya'all tommorow |
| 03:08.57 | Epyon | As a part of a almost granted fellowship. |
| 03:09.03 | jude- | ...and that's considered to be a relatively good deal |
| 03:09.24 | Epyon | jude-, I know, I looked at the possibilities while I was finishing HS there. |
| 03:09.46 | jude- | (although I'm an exception--I'm on a full-ride scholarship, so I actually get some money back after the tuition waiver :D) |
| 03:09.51 | Epyon | And the only reasonable deal was presented to me by the US army :P |
| 03:10.06 | jude- | that's usually the case |
| 03:10.36 | jude- | good night Winny |
| 03:10.43 | Winny | laters |
| 03:10.43 | jude- | Epyon: what's the tax rate in Poland? |
| 03:10.56 | Epyon | jude-, dependable on the income. |
| 03:11.18 | jude- | I mean, what's the percentage? |
| 03:11.31 | Epyon | 19%/30%/40% |
| 03:12.08 | Epyon | that is 19% up to a certain amount, then the rest 30% up to another amount, and 40% of the rest. |
| 03:12.33 | Epyon | with a reasonable income as for polish standards you barely cross the 30% barrier. |
| 03:13.22 | jude- | that explains a lot |
| 03:13.29 | jude- | US tax rates are about half of that |
| 03:13.43 | jude- | ...but we don't get free benefits, so I guess we pay the same per capita |
| 03:14.05 | Epyon | If you are below the "life-need" amount, you are not taxed at all. |
| 03:14.12 | jude- | same here |
| 03:14.38 | Epyon | jude-, but now consider that we don't pay any life insurance, nor education costs at all :P |
| 03:14.52 | jude- | but you are taxed more |
| 03:15.20 | Epyon | jude-, not exactly. Because there a LOT things you can deduct from taxes. |
| 03:15.27 | jude- | same here |
| 03:15.38 | Epyon | My father all things added in pays around 5% |
| 03:16.04 | jude- | okay, you win |
| 03:16.18 | jude- | my family is about 10% after all deductables |
| 03:16.20 | Epyon | deducting the "costs of gaining income", "half-reduction for creative work", "bonus for educating" etc, etc... |
| 03:16.34 | Epyon | And the fact that my mother doesn't work at all. |
| 03:17.10 | Epyon | Still, the wage of a math professor here is ridiculously low :( |
| 03:17.22 | jude- | that's the same pretty much everywhere |
| 03:17.36 | jude- | teachers really aren't payed enough for it to be worth their time |
| 03:17.44 | Epyon | jude-, in Germany my father had 8 times the wage :P |
| 03:17.52 | Epyon | in the US 12 times. |
| 03:18.06 | jude- | is that factoring in the different costs of living? |
| 03:18.27 | Epyon | cost of living in germany would be 3-4 times bigger. |
| 03:19.02 | Epyon | about the same in the US (disregarding insurance and healthcare). |
| 03:20.07 | Epyon | The general truth is that the wages in poland are a lot lower even considering the costs of living, but we have two big advantages. |
| 03:20.36 | Epyon | The first one is that no matter how poor you are, if your children are bright, they'll all get free higher education. |
| 03:20.56 | jude- | same in the US |
| 03:21.40 | Epyon | The other one is, that if I get sick, even just a common cold, I make a phone call, and have a professional visit at the doctor next day without waiting in any lines, for free. |
| 03:22.13 | Epyon | Same goes for dentists and other specialists. |
| 03:22.28 | jude- | ...and that's a guaranteed right as a citizen? |
| 03:22.36 | Epyon | Yes. |
| 03:22.46 | Epyon | Actually not only a citizen. |
| 03:23.12 | Epyon | If you're visiting, you actually can take advantage of that without ay formalities. |
| 03:23.18 | jude- | nice |
| 03:24.10 | jude- | it makes me wonder why people still immigrate to the US |
| 03:24.38 | Epyon | Well job opportunites are better for unskilled workers. |
| 03:24.43 | tannerld | *yawn* |
| 03:25.04 | Epyon | Most of the emigration out of poland are unskilled workers. |
| 03:25.09 | jude- | that's starting to change |
| 03:26.08 | jude- | it used to be the case before 1980 that US citizens could make a decent life without a college degree...that has been declining sharply since supply-side economics became more favorable |
| 03:26.12 | Epyon | At least for a computer scientists Poland is a very good country. The wages are better than elswhere (after taking into account the costs of living). |
| 03:26.51 | jude- | heh--most computer science jobs in the US are being outsourced xP |
| 03:26.52 | Epyon | In the industry that is. |
| 03:27.49 | Epyon | On the universities they are still underpaid... that can be seen by looking at my lecturers -- they're almost all "dedicated to the cause" and not for the money :P |
| 03:28.16 | jude- | that is the case for most teachers everywhere |
| 03:28.50 | Epyon | jude-, well there's an up-side to that -- dedicated teachers usually teach better :P |
| 03:29.11 | jude- | dedicated ones, yes |
| 03:29.15 | jude- | but not all are even dedicated |
| 03:29.30 | Epyon | The fun thing I discovered : |
| 03:29.35 | jude- | there are some that teach because the couldn't find a better job to which to apply their education |
| 03:30.16 | Epyon | The perfect way is to stay in Poland but do an international CS job -- you get paid by US standards, but you live by Polish costs :D |
| 03:30.33 | jude- | that's what I'll probably do in the end |
| 03:30.54 | jude- | if not Poland, then somewhere in Europe |
| 03:30.55 | Epyon | For me, the GSoC money for example is like 3 times the value as for people in the US :) |
| 03:32.02 | Epyon | Oh, and there is no fee for entering discos here, and the beer is 1$ for a big glass at the disco or in the pub, and 0.50$ in the shops xP |
| 03:32.22 | jude- | "discos" ? |
| 03:32.49 | Epyon | Dancing, partying .... hmm :> |
| 03:32.57 | jude- | ahh |
| 03:36.26 | Epyon | Well, the tendency is straight opposite. |
| 03:36.56 | Epyon | In poland the more "liberal" parties try to agitate for the US model of healthcare and education. |
| 03:37.39 | nick125 | jude-: The US will probably never get free health care - the insurance companies would go out of business. |
| 03:37.39 | jude- | Epyon: it seems that your country's "liberal" parties would get along with the Republican Party (the conservative party) in the US :) |
| 03:37.54 | Epyon | The funny thing is the word "US model" used in the propaganda that suggests "better and more modern". |
| 03:37.59 | jude- | pffft |
| 03:38.02 | jude- | it's backwards |
| 03:38.14 | jude- | the US model as it is today needs to be discontinued |
| 03:38.29 | jude- | and made more like the EU's |
| 03:38.33 | nick125 | jude-: But it never will be, sadly. |
| 03:38.37 | Epyon | jude-, well poland still doesn't have a normal political situation unfortunately. |
| 03:38.44 | jude- | define "normal" |
| 03:38.54 | nick125 | If we went for universal healthcare, what's next? WE'RE GOING TO TURN INTO COMMUNISTS!! |
| 03:39.07 | nick125 | And we can't allow that. |
| 03:39.12 | jude- | nick125: I dunno...the US is due for a liberal swing |
| 03:39.24 | Epyon | Well, the fact that a party exists that's made up from people from the former communist goverment is "not normal". |
| 03:39.37 | jude- | the Bush admin probably doomed the Republicans to the sidelines for the next 40 years |
| 03:39.41 | nick125 | I've never understood why the US hates socialism and communism. |
| 03:39.45 | nick125 | jude-: I wouldn't doubt that. |
| 03:40.10 | Epyon | The funny thing is that the former communists are the ones most for the US model of healthcare and education xP |
| 03:40.15 | jude- | the US dislikes the oppressive political entities that formed under the premise of Communism |
| 03:40.22 | jude- | unfortuantely, they're synonymous |
| 03:40.35 | jude- | Epyon: LOL |
| 03:40.38 | nick125 | Why don't we privatize *EVERYTHING*? |
| 03:40.43 | nick125 | That'll fix the problem. |
| 03:40.46 | jude- | lol |
| 03:40.47 | nick125 | Yup, definitely fix it. |
| 03:40.49 | jude- | sarcasm |
| 03:41.13 | nick125 | jude-: No, I'm speaking like some....um....I just forgot that person's name who was talking about privatizing everything. |
| 03:41.25 | nick125 | Privatizing every square inch of the earth, the air, etc. |
| 03:41.26 | jude- | yeah--privitize the whole US government. It's far better to live under an aristocratic fasciest state :) |
| 03:41.31 | Epyon | The communists are the left wing. The more rightwing party wants to keep the model of the country with strong support for the citizens. |
| 03:41.41 | nick125 | jude-: What do you think the government is already? |
| 03:41.49 | Epyon | jude-, oligarchic xP |
| 03:41.57 | nick125 | I mean, just bribe someone, and you'll get your way. |
| 03:42.35 | nick125 | That's probably why socialized medicine will never happen in the US. Insurance companies will bribe the Government to not pass it. |
| 03:42.57 | nick125 | I personally think political "contributions" by corporations should be illegal. |
| 03:43.41 | jude- | nick125: definitely |
| 03:44.02 | jude- | politicians that take bribes should be deported from the US and shot on sight if they try to come back |
| 03:44.11 | nick125 | I also believe that we should FOLLOW THE CONSTITUTION and listen to what our founding fathers said in the past. |
| 03:44.19 | nick125 | jude-: Maybe the other way around. |
| 03:44.31 | jude- | sure--deport the bribing party as well |
| 03:44.41 | jude- | just maroon them on a remote protectorate |
| 03:44.45 | nick125 | jude-: No. I meant shoot them then send them out. |
| 03:44.47 | jude- | like Guam |
| 03:44.52 | jude- | lol |
| 03:45.00 | jude- | nah--shoot them off of US soil |
| 03:45.24 | nick125 | jude-: The bush administration would take them to Iraq and shoot them, and claim that Iraq is attacking U.S. citizens. |
| 03:45.32 | jude- | lol |
| 03:45.39 | jude- | they certainly aren't above that |
| 03:45.49 | Epyon | Well, IMHO the US democracy is weak mainly because it became a duocracy. There's no way anything could break the duopoly of the Republicans and Democrats... mainly because of... money :( |
| 03:46.15 | jude- | Epyon: actually, having a 2-party system is to our advantage in that it prevents the formation of a coalition government |
| 03:46.17 | Epyon | In Poland new parties emerge and fade almost every voting cycle. |
| 03:46.29 | jude- | ...which is difficult to maintain |
| 03:46.38 | jude- | (although I wouldn't be against a 3rd party) |
| 03:46.48 | Epyon | jude-, well, but isn't a 2-party system basically a oligarchy? |
| 03:46.55 | jude- | not really |
| 03:47.00 | jude- | the party ideology changes every 50 years or so |
| 03:47.23 | jude- | actually, it changes slightly every election cycle |
| 03:47.27 | Epyon | The same people rule all the time. And the only ones admitted are sons and daughters of the people already there, or poeple with a lot of money, |
| 03:47.27 | jude- | there's always a new platform |
| 03:48.13 | jude- | Epyon: the difficulty is that the barrier-to-entry for candidates is so high that only a few well-off citizens can have a hope of winning an election |
| 03:48.52 | jude- | while there are a few powerful political families, it still boils down to each party choosing political candidiates that have strong citizen support |
| 03:48.52 | Epyon | And TBH, for me the Republicans and the Democrats are just one bunch of oligarchs that play ping-pong with the USA :/ |
| 03:49.08 | jude- | that also goes in cycles |
| 03:49.18 | Epyon | jude-, you can't get support without a lot of money, can you :/ |
| 03:49.28 | jude- | not realy |
| 03:49.32 | jude- | the party often fronts the money |
| 03:49.33 | nick125 | I forgot where I read this, but, it was once said that the government shall serve the people and their interests, and, if the government shall fail to do that, it is the people's right to dismantle the government and create a new one. I think we really should look into that. |
| 03:49.49 | jude- | lo |
| 03:49.50 | jude- | *lol |
| 03:49.54 | jude- | Declaration of Independence :) |
| 03:50.13 | Epyon | And that's the point. It's a system now, that only allows rich people to rule. And who would count on the rich people to take care of the poor> |
| 03:50.14 | Epyon | ? |
| 03:50.21 | nick125 | jude-: I forgot where it was. I had a feeling it was the Declaration of Independence. |
| 03:50.26 | nick125 | Epyon: The rich don't give a crap |
| 03:50.41 | nick125 | As long as their happy in their 50 billion dollar houses away from the real world. |
| 03:50.45 | Epyon | That's why there wont be free education and free healthcare. Because that would only benefit the poor. |
| 03:50.49 | jude- | Epyon: that's why total campaign costs should be capped and subsidized |
| 03:51.07 | jude- | I'll vote for politicians that will do that |
| 03:51.23 | nick125 | Corporations should not be allowed to donate to campaigns (or, if they are allowed, they must be severly restricted). |
| 03:51.28 | Epyon | jude-, sure, but the rich will never make a move to allow the poor to have any political meaning will they? :P |
| 03:51.46 | jude- | political campaign presentations should list their corporate sponsors at least |
| 03:52.10 | nick125 | Also, any politician that has corporate ties should be forced to sever those ties as well. Or something to that meaning. |
| 03:52.15 | Epyon | jude-, those are all good ideas but who will pass them in the parlament? :P |
| 03:52.33 | jude- | Epyon: what *can* happen is that the individual states can pre-empt the national legislative branch and amend the Constitution |
| 03:52.35 | nick125 | I mean, look at Dick Cheney and Haliburton. |
| 03:52.46 | Epyon | AND THAT'S why there's a problem with the US democracy :( |
| 03:53.18 | nick125 | Anyone that says Cheney and Haliburton and Iraq aren't connected in some way really needs to wake up and smell the roses. |
| 03:53.25 | jude- | indeed |
| 03:53.44 | nick125 | Isn't it kind of funny that Haliburton is the biggest private contractor in Iraq, usually getting jobs with little or no bidding? |
| 03:53.44 | Epyon | I'll give you a fun fact -- the current Polish president, before becoming president earned less than the US minimal wage :P |
| 03:54.11 | Epyon | Similarily to the leader of the current ruling party :) |
| 03:54.18 | Epyon | Can you imagine that in the US? :P |
| 03:54.23 | jude- | Epyon: it was once that way |
| 03:54.34 | jude- | it changed after WWII |
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| 03:54.45 | Epyon | jude-, before the corporate era maybe :P |
| 03:54.50 | jude- | yup |
| 03:55.01 | Epyon | now it would be virtually impossible. |
| 03:55.09 | nick125 | I wish we could go back to the times when politicians cared about the citizens of the land they ruled. |
| 03:55.09 | jude- | actually, before 1900, the US's current political system wasn't too different from what it was today |
| 03:55.14 | jude- | these things are cyclic |
| 03:55.28 | nick125 | And less about their corporate and political interests |
| 03:55.38 | Epyon | Okay, one last glass of wine, and I'm going to sleep. |
| 03:56.50 | nick125 | I also think that politicians should not be allowed to take or give contributions from companies that have a direct impact on voting - such as Diebold. |
| 03:57.21 | jude- | nick125: because the barrier-to-entry into state governments is much lower than that of the national government, I'd focus on petitioning individual states to amend the Constitution such that corporate contributions be capped to a finite voter-determined limit and that any independent advertizing by corporations be clearly marked as such |
| 03:57.40 | jude- | nick125: the Diebold execs should be locked away for life |
| 03:57.56 | Epyon | jude-, that'll never happen. Because politics now is to much binded to money. |
| 03:58.10 | nick125 | jude-: Well, besides the fact that diebold should be dismantled and locked up for treason. |
| 03:58.22 | jude- | that too |
| 03:58.55 | nick125 | I personally see their actions as a crime against the United States. |
| 03:58.56 | jude- | seriously--they used a *Microsoft Access Server* to store the data, which *synchronized wirelessly over a weak WEP encryption* with other machines xP |
| 03:59.07 | jude- | they're IDIOTS |
| 03:59.27 | jude- | and stupidity isn't excusable |
| 03:59.34 | nick125 | jude-: Not to mention that there is evidence that they put holes in their code to "switch" votes from democrat to republican. |
| 03:59.43 | jude- | yup |
| 03:59.59 | jude- | one of the guys at the local LUG is actually working with the Democratic party on prosecuting Diebold |
| 04:00.18 | jude- | here's a fun fact I gleaned from him: |
| 04:00.28 | jude- | the Diebold software logo is a fist clutching the globe x |
| 04:00.31 | jude- | *xP |
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| 04:00.54 | jude- | a meritocracy would be the best solution |
| 04:01.10 | jude- | everyone starts life on equal footing, and only the best are allowed succes |
| 04:01.13 | jude- | *success |
| 04:01.25 | jude- | sort of like OSS development :) |
| 04:02.07 | Epyon | lol :D |
| 04:02.09 | jude- | if these next few electoral cycles don't go well, I'm seriously moving to another continent |
| 04:02.46 | jude- | the US is slowly turning into a 3rd world country, where a small, powerful elite virtually owns the vast, uneducated, downtrodden prolotariot |
| 04:03.04 | jude- | the middle class is shrinking |
| 04:03.10 | Epyon | :/ |
| 04:04.03 | jude- | I don't think it's completely hopeless, however |
| 04:04.19 | jude- | the general political affiliation as a function of age goes like this: |
| 04:04.23 | jude- | (in the US) |
| 04:04.27 | Epyon | unfortunately it'll take at least a couple of generations to understand democracies downsides... |
| 04:04.58 | jude- | 0-30: liberal; 30-40: neutral; 40-70: conservative; 70 and on: liberal |
| 04:05.07 | Epyon | And unfortunately at the current cultural and technological level there is no better political system. |
| 04:05.28 | jude- | heh--"Democracy sucks, but it's a hell of a lot better than other political systems" |
| 04:06.08 | Epyon | jude-, Churchill's words were "Democracy is the worst political system, but up to date no better one was created" xP |
| 04:06.12 | jude- | anyway, I think there's still hope because once the Baby Boomers retire in full, there'll be a LOT more liberal voters out there :) |
| 04:06.22 | jude- | Epyon: correct |
| 04:07.08 | jude- | one other thing the US could do is make election day a federal holiday and a day of rest, where EVERYONE can take a payed leave to vote |
| 04:07.15 | nick125 | I also believe that the current Bush administration should be tried for warcrimes. Send them to Guantanamo bay, see how they like it. |
| 04:07.36 | purple_cow | jude-: um, they can |
| 04:07.51 | jude- | purple_cow: but it's not a federal holidy |
| 04:07.54 | jude- | *holiday |
| 04:07.54 | purple_cow | employers are required to give people time off to vote |
| 04:08.01 | jude- | but not payed vote |
| 04:08.04 | jude- | *payed to vote |
| 04:08.17 | Epyon | jude-, that would only make matters worse. |
| 04:08.37 | jude- | Epyon: the #1 reason US citizens cited when asked why they didn't vote was because of work |
| 04:08.38 | Epyon | You'd have people who have no idea what they are voting for vote. |
| 04:09.21 | Epyon | Worse even, you'd have people vote for the pepole that cry the most demagogue lines in the media. |
| 04:09.51 | jude- | but there are a LOT of people who know who'd they vote for who *can't* vote because they *can't* afford to take time off to do so |
| 04:10.45 | jude- | Epyon: voter literacy tests were once used in the US to prevent african-americans from voting |
| 04:10.52 | jude- | that'd NEVER be brought back |
| 04:11.22 | Epyon | elections in Poland are usualy held on Sundays. |
| 04:11.32 | jude- | they're held on the 1st Tuesday of November here |
| 04:11.37 | jude- | (IIRC) |
| 04:11.57 | jude- | which is a working day |
| 04:12.11 | Epyon | jude-, yeah, I see the problem, especially in a country without free education :( |
| 04:12.20 | jude- | yup |
| 04:12.29 | jude- | although moving the election day to Sunday would be a good idea |
| 04:12.43 | purple_cow | heh. there's no chance of that ;) |
| 04:12.52 | jude- | why not? |
| 04:12.54 | Epyon | Well in poland if you're illiterate it's only your fault. |
| 04:13.10 | jude- | Epyon: how do you mean *illiterate*? |
| 04:13.30 | jude- | i.e. unable to read, or uninformed of current events, or lacking a higher education? |
| 04:13.43 | Epyon | There are many goverment programs that strive on supporting everyone to at least finish a afterhighschool semi-college. |
| 04:14.03 | Epyon | jude-, lacking general knowledge. |
| 04:14.09 | jude- | ahh |
| 04:14.13 | purple_cow | way too much religiosity in this country to do anything official on a sunday |
| 04:14.39 | jude- | purple_cow: I haven't heard of anyone objecting to Independence day falling on a Sunday |
| 04:14.59 | jude- | in fact, why not make election day on 4th July? |
| 04:15.08 | jude- | it's already a holiday :) |
| 04:15.10 | Epyon | purple_cow, in Poland catholism is almost considered state-religion, and still everyone favours sunday as the day to vote :P |
| 04:15.33 | purple_cow | maybe associating it with july 4 would get past that problem |
| 04:15.34 | Epyon | catholicism* ? |
| 04:16.01 | Epyon | purple_cow, and that would be really nicely symbolic too xP |
| 04:16.02 | jude- | Epyon: lots of people in the US are fundomentalist protestant |
| 04:16.17 | Epyon | BTW, my brother was born on the 4th of July :D |
| 04:16.25 | jude- | i.e. Sunday is too important for anything else besides religion :( |
| 04:16.26 | purple_cow | but remember that they used to deliver mail on sundays, and there was a concerted lobbying effort to stop that =P |
| 04:16.35 | jude- | that's idiotic |
| 04:16.49 | jude- | we really should bring that back |
| 04:17.27 | Epyon | Heh, mail does come on sunday here :> |
| 04:18.32 | Epyon | Still except for foreign supermarkets and the neccessary public service it's a day off here. |
| 04:18.43 | purple_cow | I wouldn't say that there's a majority of fundamentalist protestantism, but they sure are loud =P |
| 04:19.03 | jude- | purple_cow: actually, there is a majority |
| 04:19.12 | Epyon | purple_cow, the religious situation of the US always stroke me as funny :P |
| 04:19.14 | jude- | it's just over half |
| 04:19.23 | Epyon | jude-, the majority are catholic :P |
| 04:19.34 | jude- | in the US, I mean |
| 04:19.37 | Epyon | Yes. |
| 04:19.40 | Epyon | In the US :P |
| 04:19.42 | jude- | no, protestant |
| 04:19.46 | jude- | catholics are a minority |
| 04:20.02 | jude- | the dominant plurality religion in the US is Southern Baptist |
| 04:20.11 | purple_cow | jude-: half might call themselves evangelicals, but I don't think half would be willing to actively lobby for blue laws |
| 04:20.31 | jude- | purple_cow: I dunno...45% of americans believe in creationism |
| 04:20.45 | jude- | that's usually an indication that religion has blocked their reasoning |
| 04:21.09 | Epyon | jude-, catholics are the single biggest religion in the US, do you call that minority? :P |
| 04:21.52 | Epyon | It's just that the media and politics ignore them totaly. |
| 04:21.56 | jude- | Epyon, no--southern baptists make up the largest religious group in the US |
| 04:22.19 | Epyon | jude-, 25% US citizens are Catholic. |
| 04:22.26 | Epyon | Babtista are 17% |
| 04:22.33 | Epyon | Babtists. |
| 04:22.45 | jude- | http://www.adherents.com/rel_USA.html#Pew_branches |
| 04:23.23 | jude- | http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Religion_in_the_United_States#The_American_Religious_Identification_Survey |
| 04:23.26 | Epyon | Protestant here includes all the Babtists, Methodists, Luteran and other ines |
| 04:23.30 | Epyon | ones |
| 04:24.33 | Epyon | And believe me, that there *are* big differences between Baptists and Methodists. |
| 04:25.15 | Epyon | And yes, I'm also basing on that wikipedia article :) |
| 04:25.35 | jude- | hmm...I guess I misread |
| 04:26.06 | Epyon | jude-, understandable, especially that you DON'T hear about catholics at ALL in the media :) |
| 04:26.21 | Epyon | This also struck me as a Catholic-brought-up person. |
| 04:26.47 | jude- | Epyon: I was still right about there being more protestants than anyone else in the US |
| 04:27.38 | Epyon | jude-, doesn't it wonder you the lack of Catholicism in media and politics? :P |
| 04:28.12 | jude- | because there is an irrational fear that if a Catholic is elected to public office, the bad, mean, evil Pope effectively has control of the nation |
| 04:28.26 | Epyon | lol :D |
| 04:28.28 | jude- | it's true |
| 04:28.49 | jude- | President Kennedy was VERY controversial for that reason |
| 04:28.56 | Epyon | I would be laughing even more if John Paul II was still pope :/ |
| 04:29.10 | jude- | I laughed all the way to his death about it |
| 04:29.17 | Epyon | jude- :) |
| 04:29.37 | jude- | Benedict XVI...I can see how he could come across as scary |
| 04:29.45 | jude- | but not for any rational reason |
| 04:30.01 | Epyon | jude-, well he has a really scary job ahead of him. |
| 04:30.17 | Epyon | jude-, considering the achievements of his precedessor. |
| 04:30.21 | jude- | mostly because the ever-popular book The Da Vinci Code portrays Opus Dei as some twisted sect of Catholicism, and Benedict was once the head of it |
| 04:30.27 | jude- | heh, indeed |
| 04:30.28 | Epyon | So I somehow feel for him. |
| 04:31.32 | Epyon | jude-, he was also a dedicated follower of John Paul II however. |
| 04:31.38 | jude- | I know |
| 04:31.55 | jude- | I'm talking about the general, illiterate perception from most protestant americans |
| 04:32.11 | jude- | i.e. people that can't tell the difference from fact and fiction |
| 04:32.32 | Epyon | jude-, the general, illiterate perception is always merciless unfortunately :( |
| 04:32.46 | jude- | and it's usually the majority perception :( |
| 04:32.52 | jude- | (here, at least) |
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| 04:33.35 | jude- | Epyon: ever been to www.jibjab.com? |
| 04:34.00 | jude- | there are some really funny political satires there :) |
| 04:34.23 | jude- | see "This Land" under "Originals" |
| 04:34.29 | Epyon | From our (polish) side one can be said however, that he went great lengths to try to help the polish people with their grief of the loss of JP II, without trying to pretend he's a good substitute. The polish people generally recieved him being pope well. |
| 04:35.15 | jude- | he undoubtably was one of the best |
| 04:35.53 | Epyon | jude-, I've seen that one :P |
| 04:37.50 | jude- | Epyon: have you seen "What We Call the News" ? |
| 04:38.23 | Epyon | jude-, watching now :) |
| 04:39.41 | jude- | that pretty much sums up US media xP |
| 04:40.57 | Epyon | heh, great :D. Although it would be mostly inunderstandable for someone that didn't live in the US and didn't watch TV there :P |
| 04:41.37 | jude- | trust me, it's pretty darn close |
| 04:41.48 | Epyon | I know :) |
| 04:42.04 | jude- | catering to the illiterate |
| 04:43.10 | Epyon | Okay, 6:41 in the morning, time for bed for me :D |
| 04:43.24 | jude- | good night Epyon |
| 04:45.44 | Epyon | g'night jude-, and thanks for the nice discussion :) |
| 04:46.30 | jude- | anytime :) |
| 04:46.40 | jude- | always a pleasure |
| 04:52.20 | nick125 | Anyone here know if there is a list of freely-usable textures for bzflag? |
| 04:54.43 | jude- | you could snarf bzwgen's textures...IIRC they're LGPL-ed |
| 04:54.51 | jude- | (ask Epyon first, however) |
| 04:55.00 | Epyon | LGPL :P |
| 04:55.14 | nick125 | Epyon: Do you have a chain-link texture? |
| 04:55.23 | Epyon | nope |
| 04:55.28 | nick125 | Darn. |
| 04:56.03 | Epyon | but if you ask me tommorow I can find/create/make one for you. |
| 04:56.09 | Epyon | Now however... |
| 04:56.33 | nick125 | haah |
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| 05:44.23 | nick125 | Quick server-related question: How do I start a game with only red and blue teams? |
| 05:45.58 | delusional | <PROTECTED> |
| 05:46.13 | nick125 | thanks |
| 05:47.42 | delusional | for the textures, look here http://images.bzflag.org/ |
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| 07:28.19 | brlcad | custom textures there really add some polish |
| 07:28.30 | brlcad | as did the doorways |
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| 17:02.43 | CBG | delusional: typically, 0 = false or off, 1 = true or on... but yes, as far as I remember, anything other than 1 will be off/false. |
| 17:06.52 | JeffM | non zero is true |
| 17:07.25 | CBG | oh, so I have it backwards? "-1" =s true? |
| 17:07.33 | CBG | s/=s/is/ |
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| 17:08.23 | JeffM | 0,False,false,FALSE,no,No,NO,disable all == false |
| 17:08.27 | JeffM | anything else is true |
| 17:08.47 | CBG | Thanks JeffM. There you go delusional ^ |
| 17:09.32 | delusional | hmm ok |
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| 17:11.14 | JeffM | that's assuming the thing that checks the var in bzflag uses the method "isTrue" |
| 17:11.29 | Epyon | JeffMm so FAlse is true :P |
| 17:11.45 | JeffM | I'd guess so |
| 17:12.03 | JeffM | those are the constants pulled form the code, and it dosn't do an toupper to tolower |
| 17:13.07 | delusional | so the only way to shut it off is -set _endShotDetection 0 |
| 17:13.12 | delusional | correct? |
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| 17:13.33 | JeffM | or no |
| 17:13.35 | JeffM | or NO |
| 17:13.44 | JeffM | probalby should add "off" to the list |
| 17:15.52 | JeffM | endshot dosn't use istrue |
| 17:15.57 | JeffM | cus it uses the value as a limit |
| 17:16.14 | JeffM | so yes, 0 is the best way |
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| 17:24.09 | CIA-25 | BZFlag: 03JeffM2501 * r15824 10/branches/v2_0branch/bzflag/src/common/StateDatabase.cxx: make the isTrue system be case insensitive and accept "off" as a valid false |
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| 17:24.45 | CIA-25 | BZFlag: 03JeffM2501 * r15825 10/branches/v2_0branch/bzflag/src/ (bzflag/playing.cxx bzfs/bzfs.cxx): make endShotDetecton check isTrue as well as if the value is not zero |
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| 17:27.35 | JeffM | that should help you |
| 17:27.50 | JeffM | set the variable to off, and it won't do the endshot checks |
| 17:34.56 | JeffM | is there any API stuff that anyone wants back ported for .10? |
| 17:38.31 | CIA-25 | BZFlag: 03bryjen * r15826 10/branches/v2_0branch/bzflag/src/bzfs/bzfs.cxx: short a couple lines and correct parens |
| 17:39.03 | bryjen | s/short/shorten/ |
| 17:40.51 | bryjen | ~bzflist |
| 17:43.51 | delusional | -set _endShotDetection off jeffm2501, is there a corresponding "on"? |
| 17:45.52 | AAA_awright | A number? |
| 17:47.01 | JeffM | delusional, y eah a number |
| 17:47.13 | JeffM | it needs some number to use when on |
| 17:47.26 | JeffM | the default is 5 |
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| 17:48.03 | JeffM | Tupone, you should get the copyright updated to 2007 for branch |
| 17:48.37 | Tupone | yeah, probably. I will if nobody will do |
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| 18:11.49 | blast007 | JeffM: if there was a seperate radar update message, would that need velocity? or just position? |
| 18:17.58 | JeffM | the res is so low, I figured just postion |
| 18:18.13 | JeffM | represents the pos when the radar did it's 'ping' more like real radar |
| 18:18.41 | blast007 | k |
| 18:18.45 | JeffM | but you could do a low res vec too |
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| 18:21.11 | yoyox | Hi all |
| 18:21.22 | tannerld | hello |
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| 18:26.20 | ts | JeffM: Radar has huge size for some players.. |
| 18:27.19 | JeffM | ts, not that big |
| 18:27.32 | ts | Half of screen |
| 18:27.35 | JeffM | yeah |
| 18:27.45 | JeffM | and that's what 1 unit per pixel for most maps? |
| 18:27.52 | JeffM | maybe 2 pixels per unit |
| 18:27.57 | ts | I have 20"... |
| 18:28.08 | JeffM | maps are 100's of units wide |
| 18:28.19 | JeffM | tanks are 2-4 units large |
| 18:28.36 | JeffM | if your display is 1200 pixels high, on an 800 unit high map... |
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| 18:28.47 | ts | Hmm, my tank in zoom is roughly about 20 pixels |
| 18:28.54 | ts | lenght |
| 18:29.06 | JeffM | the res is still a lot lower then on screen |
| 18:29.17 | JeffM | spliting up a short will make it plenty smooth |
| 18:30.08 | ts | Hmm, I'm not so sure |
| 18:30.18 | JeffM | on a standard map that still gives you 1/80th of a unit granularity |
| 18:30.37 | JeffM | that's more then you can display |
| 18:31.02 | JeffM | and slap the vector down to 2 chars, and that'll be fine for what radar shows |
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| 18:31.50 | JeffM | and if you realy want to go overboard you make the radar send out updates relitive to your tank |
| 18:31.58 | JeffM | so its' distance based, not map size |
| 18:32.28 | JeffM | so radar always shows you +- 800 units or smething |
| 18:33.25 | JeffM | at that res, the minimum move would be 0.0125 world units |
| 18:33.51 | JeffM | so you'd not see a dif between 0.0125 and 0.024 |
| 18:34.02 | JeffM | I don't even think you can see that in the 3d view |
| 18:35.39 | JeffM | sorry at +-800, that's be 0.25 to 0.049 would be the same. |
| 18:35.55 | JeffM | and that would show a map 2x larger then the current default |
| 18:36.15 | JeffM | bahh 0.025 and 0.049 |
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| 18:45.33 | nick125 | Anyone here have a tiny bit of free time that would like to give some criticism of my WIP map? |
| 18:46.29 | AAA_awright | nick125: What server? |
| 18:46.38 | nick125 | AAA_awright: nick125.com |
| 18:46.47 | nick125 | 5154 |
| 18:54.13 | CIA-25 | BZFlag: 03t-s * r15827 10/branches/v2_0branch/bzflag/ChangeLog: Correct list of my changes |
| 19:02.50 | CIA-25 | BZFlag: 03t-s * r15828 10/branches/v2_0branch/bzflag/src/game/LagInfo.cxx: Hopefully lagannounce now ok, list -adminlagannounce and -lagannounce in ChangeLog |
| 19:04.06 | CIA-25 | BZFlag: 03t-s * r15829 10/branches/v2_0branch/bzflag/ChangeLog: Oops, didn't save ChangeLog before commiting |
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| 20:01.43 | CIA-25 | BZFlag: 03t-s * r15830 10/trunk/bzflag/BUGS: Mountains look ok now but jumping is broken |
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| 20:27.51 | Tupone | DTRemenak: I hope I did not break it for you |
| 20:27.58 | bryjen | ts: how is jumping broken? |
| 20:29.49 | delusional | what's the word to describe drawinfo ?things? like tristrips, trifans, quads, points? |
| 20:31.59 | delusional | dlist elements? |
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| 21:25.03 | ts | bryjen: Well, angular velocity and jumping heigth wrong |
| 21:25.41 | ts | bryjen: Hold down tab and jump around in one direction. You'll see. |
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| 21:28.22 | bryjen | i don't know about angular velocity. holding down tab was affected by the change to additive Z velocity. that could probably be tweaked to affect only Wings, since that's really what is was intended for. |
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| 21:29.32 | ts | err, angular velocity maybe the wrong translation |
| 21:30.24 | ts | bryjen: Jumping and instant rejump in different directions will lead to different direction, based on FPS |
| 21:30.59 | ts | bryjen: It's caused by limiting acceleration |
| 21:31.11 | ts | implementation is wrong (design) |
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| 21:33.20 | Tupone | we should design in a way that the time you are in contact with the ground/object/... is indipendent from FPS, probably fixed |
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| 21:52.09 | a_temp_dist | can I whitelist an IP to get through a broad HOSTban? |
| 21:55.07 | Constitution | a_temp_dist: I don't think so |
| 21:55.21 | a_temp_dist | hmm, ok thx |
| 21:55.21 | Constitution | the banlist itself doesn't have any concept of a whitelist |
| 21:55.53 | a_temp_dist | we have a whitelist usergroup - I'll add the player to that and see if that gets him past the hostban |
| 22:09.13 | TD-Linux | ANTIBAN in that group? |
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| 22:13.19 | a_temp_dist | TD-Linux, yep |
| 22:32.19 | nick125 | Hmm, is there a way to "tint" a texture (I want blue brick as a material) with a texture? |
| 22:33.14 | Epyon | yep |
| 22:33.26 | Epyon | you just add diffuse to the color. |
| 22:33.26 | Winny | color 0 0 0 1 |
| 22:33.33 | Winny | color Red Blue Green Alpha |
| 22:33.52 | Epyon | Winny, not RGB? o.O |
| 22:33.56 | nick125 | And, what's the filename for the standard brick pattern? |
| 22:34.07 | Epyon | wall.png afaik |
| 22:34.12 | Winny | probably |
| 22:36.09 | nick125 | Yay blue brick! |
| 22:36.13 | nick125 | \o/ |
| 22:36.28 | Epyon | nick125, was it RGB or RBG? |
| 22:36.47 | nick125 | RGB |
| 22:37.01 | Epyon | hah, kudos for me ^_^ |
| 22:39.11 | nick125 | Hopefully only a few more hours and my map will actually be interesting! |
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| 22:59.53 | nick125 | Is there a way to rotate a box on the X axis? |
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| 23:02.57 | AAA_awright | A Mesh |
| 23:03.35 | Winny | nick125: why would you WANT to? |
| 23:03.53 | Winny | do get the side texture on the top? |
| 23:04.07 | nick125 | Winny: To add some decorations to the bridges in my map |
| 23:04.25 | Winny | I suppose you could use the "spin" funtion |
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| 23:04.32 | Winny | but I always liked meshes better. |
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| 23:44.33 | Winny | ~CBG++ |
| 23:44.57 | CBG | ewww |
| 23:45.07 | delusional | ~karma cbg |
| 23:45.07 | ibot | cbg has karma of -435 |
| 23:45.14 | Winny | sorry |
| 23:45.17 | Winny | ~CBG-- |
| 23:45.22 | CBG | ewww |
| 23:49.43 | Epyon | ~CBG-- |
| 23:49.56 | CBG | ewww |
| 23:50.17 | Epyon | xD |
| 23:50.22 | Epyon | ~karma Epyon |
| 23:50.22 | ibot | epyon has karma of 60 |
| 23:50.25 | Epyon | O.o |
| 23:50.42 | Epyon | when did I get so high? o.O |
| 23:51.05 | donny_baker | Epyon: it's just a contact high |
| 23:51.39 | donny_baker | ~karma donny_baker |
| 23:51.39 | ibot | donny_baker has karma of 41 |
| 23:53.31 | Winny | ~karma Winny |
| 23:53.31 | ibot | winny has karma of 19 |
| 23:53.34 | Winny | :O |
| 23:53.44 | Constitution | ~karma BZ_Win |
| 23:53.44 | ibot | bz_win has neutral karma |
| 23:54.05 | Winny | Constitution: only used that nick for a month or so. |
| 23:54.10 | Constitution | ah |
| 23:54.27 | Epyon | ~Winny++ |
| 23:54.43 | Winny | but you hate me for not getting textures |
| 23:54.45 | Winny | remember? |
| 23:55.07 | Epyon | You still deserve more than 19 :P |
| 23:55.15 | Epyon | Anyway, I do not "hate" you. |
| 23:55.18 | Epyon | I STALK you xP |
| 23:55.33 | DTRemenak | ~donny_baker++ |
| 23:56.25 | Winny | err, shuts. |
| 23:56.27 | DTRemenak | heh |
| 23:56.27 | CBG | ~donny_baker++ |
| 23:56.30 | donny_baker | rofl |
| 23:56.38 | Winny | ~donny_baker++ |
| 23:56.54 | CBG | don't shit the window... |
| 23:57.02 | donny_baker | ty Winny DTRemenak CBG |
| 23:57.03 | CBG | it smells bad enough anyway. geez |
| 23:57.26 | CBG | let the room aerate a little... |
| 23:58.35 | SpazzyMcGee | I never knew that was the correct spelling of aerate. |
| 23:59.17 | Winny | doesn't that usually involve punching holes in the object? |
| 23:59.23 | DTRemenak | indeed |
| 23:59.23 | SpazzyMcGee | eh? |
| 23:59.24 | Winny | IE: aerating the ground. |
| 23:59.33 | DTRemenak | http://www.ext.vt.edu/pubs/turf/430-002/430-002.html |
| 23:59.40 | Winny | * SpazzyMcGee is now known as Swiss_Cheese |
| 23:59.48 | SpazzyMcGee | From which dictionary are you looking winny? |
