| 00:23.35 | *** join/#bzflag Jefenry (n=jeffreyd@pool-162-83-123-169.norf.east.verizon.net) |
| 00:41.15 | JeffM2501 | damn, I can't set myself to NOT auto op :( |
| 00:42.00 | L4m3r | and that's bad? :P |
| 00:42.18 | JeffM2501 | I don't want to auto op anymore |
| 00:42.43 | L4m3r | why? with so many other ops it shouldn't make a difference |
| 00:43.02 | JeffM2501 | cus I don't want to be at the top of the list :) |
| 00:43.07 | L4m3r | lol |
| 00:43.16 | JeffM2501 | TimRiker, can you set my access level to 20 instead of 25? |
| 00:43.16 | L4m3r | depends on the client tho :P |
| 00:43.25 | JeffM2501 | it's due to my access level |
| 00:43.27 | JeffM2501 | not the client |
| 00:43.31 | JeffM2501 | chanserv doesi t |
| 00:43.34 | L4m3r | no, the ordering |
| 00:43.53 | a_meteorite | you're not at the top on my client |
| 00:43.53 | JeffM2501 | I don't want the @ |
| 00:43.53 | L4m3r | I could configure mine to stick ops at the bottom if I so desired |
| 00:43.58 | a_meteorite | brlcad is |
| 00:44.10 | *** mode/#bzflag [-o Patlabor221] by Patlabor221 |
| 00:44.14 | L4m3r | lol |
| 00:44.19 | Patlabor221 | there, I could just go back to THAT |
| 00:44.24 | purple_cow | hah |
| 00:44.28 | a_meteorite | :o |
| 00:44.41 | Patlabor221 | but I don't like that name |
| 00:44.50 | Patlabor221 | purple_cow, can you set my access level? |
| 00:44.58 | purple_cow | I'm not sure |
| 00:45.05 | Patlabor221 | it won't let me set my own, even tho I have the access level for it :) |
| 00:45.23 | Patlabor221 | /msg chanserv access #bzflag add JeffM2501 20 |
| 00:46.13 | purple_cow | nope |
| 00:46.29 | Patlabor221 | well there is one admin bit I know you can set for me :) |
| 00:46.38 | Patlabor221 | sf |
| 00:48.09 | purple_cow | you are an admin there |
| 00:48.16 | Patlabor221 | yeah project I'd min |
| 00:48.23 | Patlabor221 | I'd like to just go down to regular dev |
| 00:48.46 | purple_cow | do it yourself =P |
| 00:48.50 | Patlabor221 | considering I got project adminiship via a less then honest method |
| 00:48.52 | Patlabor221 | I can't |
| 00:48.56 | Patlabor221 | they don't let you unset yourself |
| 00:50.52 | purple_cow | there |
| 00:51.10 | purple_cow | also, it looks like they do let you unset yourself =P |
| 00:51.12 | purple_cow | lazy bum |
| 00:51.23 | Patlabor221 | I tried it and it specificly said, it would not |
| 00:51.34 | Patlabor221 | and to have another admin do it, or contact SF |
| 00:52.17 | Patlabor221 | thanks |
| 01:08.46 | SportChick | brlcad* |
| 01:09.14 | Patlabor221 | brlac is his evil bounty hunter twin! |
| 01:12.03 | SportChick | hehe |
| 01:12.15 | SportChick | Patlabor221: do you ever use irssi in screen? |
| 01:12.22 | Patlabor221 | nope |
| 01:12.28 | Patlabor221 | click or die for me :) |
| 01:12.35 | SportChick | k |
| 01:12.41 | Thumper_ | SportChick: what's up? |
| 01:12.44 | L4m3r | hehehe... phpBB3 has a release candidate out |
| 01:13.06 | SportChick | Thumper_: you tired or feel like problem solving with me? |
| 01:13.22 | Thumper_ | yes and maybe :) |
| 01:13.31 | SportChick | k, query coming your way |
| 01:13.32 | delusional | BRLAC a very pretty flowering perrennial herb Brodiaea laxa (Benth.) S. Wats. var. candida (Greene) Jepson http://plants.usda.gov/java/profile?symbol=TRLA16 |
| 01:13.50 | L4m3r | heh |
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| 01:47.00 | Patlabor221 | L4m3r, I levave PETER in your capabale hands,he's been warned about his posts LOTS, so feel free to take whatever action you deem needed on him |
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| 02:02.22 | Winny | I can chop off his head, Patlabor221 |
| 02:02.39 | Patlabor221 | thats cus your an angry monkey |
| 02:03.07 | Winny | I am |
| 02:04.15 | Winny | Wait... monkey? :( |
| 02:05.23 | Think_Differentl | monkey? |
| 02:05.26 | Think_Differentl | :O |
| 02:06.20 | smallfoot- | SPANK THE MONKEY! |
| 02:06.50 | Patlabor221 | you'll have to see how board handle him |
| 02:07.13 | Winny | as in, admin board? |
| 02:07.47 | Patlabor221 | no |
| 02:07.54 | Patlabor221 | as in the board admins |
| 02:07.58 | Winny | oh |
| 02:08.08 | Patlabor221 | I missed a word :/ |
| 02:08.56 | Think_Differentl | I smell a pentium 2 burning |
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| 03:35.01 | jude- | hello all |
| 03:40.39 | SportChick | hey jude- :) |
| 03:41.04 | Patlabor221 | word up G, what shizzlie is in the hizzle? |
| 03:42.01 | Winny | dear lord |
| 03:42.33 | purple_cow | ow |
| 03:42.49 | Patlabor221 | well I had known that was all it took... |
| 03:43.44 | rob1n | oooh i think we have an imposter! |
| 03:43.58 | Winny | who? Jeff? |
| 03:44.04 | rob1n | jeff is patlabor again? |
| 03:44.14 | Patlabor221 | you'll live |
| 03:44.28 | Winny | no I won't, something is out of place |
| 03:44.43 | Patlabor221 | I'll be me again when TimRiker lowers my access level to 20 :) |
| 03:45.01 | rob1n | why do you want it lower? |
| 03:45.02 | purple_cow | psh |
| 03:45.13 | purple_cow | you know that in a year you'll want it back |
| 03:45.13 | Patlabor221 | so I don't get auto oped |
| 03:45.21 | rob1n | Patlabor221, why not? |
| 03:45.26 | Patlabor221 | that's why I'm only going down to 20, purple_cow |
| 03:45.27 | Patlabor221 | :) |
| 03:45.32 | Patlabor221 | not to 0 |
| 03:45.57 | Patlabor221 | rob1n, so I don't have an @ |
| 03:46.17 | rob1n | O_o |
| 03:46.36 | Patlabor221 | less stuff to worry about with no @ |
| 03:46.56 | Patlabor221 | less stuff to worry about with no project adminship :) |
| 03:47.06 | rob1n | so you're leaving bzflag [again]? |
| 03:47.23 | jude- | I'm not sure he can |
| 03:47.41 | rob1n | sure he can |
| 03:47.41 | jude- | (at least, not during GSoC) |
| 03:47.43 | rob1n | he did it before |
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| 03:47.57 | Winny | no jeff? :o |
| 03:48.06 | jude- | whatever shall we do? |
| 03:48.20 | daniel_jackson | run a muck? |
| 03:48.23 | jude- | who are we going to blame the broken builds on? |
| 03:48.31 | Winny | ...we can daaance in the streets! |
| 03:48.35 | Winny | (jking) :) |
| 03:48.56 | Patlabor221 | no |
| 03:49.03 | Patlabor221 | I never said I was leaving |
| 03:49.11 | Patlabor221 | I'm just going to do less then I used to |
| 03:49.25 | Winny | going to start playing more? |
| 03:49.28 | Patlabor221 | no |
| 03:49.34 | Winny | ah |
| 03:49.50 | daniel_jackson | Well I know who to blame for letting the spammers onto one of my bzfs servers |
| 03:50.09 | jude- | can't you ban them? |
| 03:50.10 | Patlabor221 | who? |
| 03:50.24 | daniel_jackson | their using tor proxy |
| 03:50.32 | Patlabor221 | you did not upgrade? |
| 03:50.37 | Patlabor221 | or use torblock? |
| 03:50.51 | Patlabor221 | the exploit was announced ages ago |
| 03:51.19 | daniel_jackson | we're on 2.0.9, but the map host didn't enable torBlock |
| 03:51.27 | Patlabor221 | if you were on a new enough 2.0.9 they should not have been able to do the unknown spam at all |
| 03:51.28 | daniel_jackson | and I can never get in touch with him |
| 03:51.30 | jude- | so who's to blame for allowing a map from a compromisable host? |
| 03:51.40 | Patlabor221 | they would have to fully connect |
| 03:51.43 | daniel_jackson | theres no spam yet |
| 03:51.56 | daniel_jackson | put its ticking me off I' |
| 03:52.10 | Patlabor221 | how old is the build of the server? |
| 03:52.24 | Patlabor221 | I mean the bug was fixed like in december |
| 03:52.55 | daniel_jackson | its pretty recent, but the only that sucks is that I don't have ssh access yet to fix the problem |
| 03:53.17 | Patlabor221 | then you probably have the fix |
| 03:53.24 | Patlabor221 | tor block is used if you don't have the fix |
| 03:53.34 | Patlabor221 | or if they try something else besides the unknown stuff |
| 03:53.51 | brlcad | there's a nick i've not seen in a while |
| 03:54.09 | Patlabor221 | I'll swap back as soon as TimRiker wakes up :) |
| 03:54.24 | brlcad | before we know it, MrAC will in here telling us about his depooing |
| 03:54.33 | Patlabor221 | I don't realy LIKE this name much at all |
| 03:54.38 | brlcad | heh |
| 03:54.40 | Patlabor221 | mmmm depooo |
| 03:54.48 | daniel_jackson | we do have torBlock plugin, what we don't have is knowledgable people to do enable that in a timely manner |
| 03:55.00 | Patlabor221 | you won't have to |
| 03:55.17 | Patlabor221 | I have NEVER seen any use of tor for anything other then the unknown stuff |
| 03:55.25 | rob1n | Patlabor221, were you apathy cream? |
| 03:55.25 | Patlabor221 | and your protected form the unknown stuff from any IP |
| 03:55.29 | Patlabor221 | no |
| 03:55.40 | *** join/#bzflag lan56 (i=lan56@adsl-75-28-17-253.dsl.irvnca.sbcglobal.net) |
| 03:55.44 | purple_cow | someone misbehaving using tor? say it isn't so |
| 03:55.54 | rob1n | hi lan56 |
| 03:55.58 | Patlabor221 | purple_cow, heh |
| 03:56.04 | daniel_jackson | well their trying it but the only thing thats happening so far is there causing lag on the network |
| 03:56.07 | rob1n | ~seen MrApathyCream |
| 03:56.45 | ibot | mrapathycream <dave@balt-209-150-116-193.dynamic-dial.qis.net> was last seen on IRC in channel #bzflag, 848d 22h 12m 12s ago, saying: 'poor guy running bz on dual zeons can't get it to work :)'. |
| 03:56.59 | rob1n | oh wow almost 3 years |
| 03:57.03 | brlcad | he's been in here since.. just under a diff name |
| 03:57.11 | rob1n | do tell |
| 03:57.15 | brlcad | was in a few months back, last winter iirc |
| 03:57.22 | Patlabor221 | then I baned him |
| 03:57.50 | brlcad | hello SportChick |
| 03:57.57 | brlcad | hubby back from the islands yet? |
| 03:58.07 | SportChick | brlcad: yes, but a wee bit |
| 03:58.09 | daniel_jackson | well have to go let off some steam to some other guys, cya |
| 03:58.10 | SportChick | s/but/for/ |
| 03:58.29 | rob1n | Patlabor221, what was his nick? |
| 03:58.34 | brlcad | purple_cow: hehe |
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| 04:02.52 | a_meteorite | ~seen giggsey |
| 04:03.06 | ibot | giggsey <i=giggsey@local.giggsey.com> was last seen on IRC in channel #debian, 5d 10h 43m 44s ago, saying: 'Thanks'. |
| 04:03.14 | Patlabor221 | mebigfatguy |
| 04:03.34 | Winny | noyb, thats me! |
| 04:03.45 | Winny | err, no* |
| 04:03.54 | rob1n | ~seen mebigfatguy |
| 04:04.10 | ibot | mebigfatguy <n=dave@38.118.53.165> was last seen on IRC in channel #bzflag, 108d 22h 36m 33s ago, saying: 'wow. slow day ;)'. |
| 04:04.10 | a_meteorite | I'd prefer to skip on the visualizations, Winny |
| 04:04.27 | jude- | a_meteorite: what visualizations? |
| 04:04.40 | a_meteorite | "me big fat guy" |
| 04:04.49 | jude- | where's the visual aid? |
| 04:04.52 | jude- | :) |
| 04:04.55 | a_meteorite | "fat guy" |
| 04:05.38 | jude- | unless the text is offensive...I see no fat guy |
| 04:05.51 | brlcad | jude-: he used to have a picture posted |
| 04:05.56 | jude- | ahhh |
| 04:05.57 | brlcad | no longer, though |
| 04:05.58 | jude- | that explains it |
| 04:05.59 | a_meteorite | heh..... |
| 04:06.29 | brlcad | he was more of a santa plump, nothing too exaggerated |
| 04:06.33 | brlcad | ~seen mbfg |
| 04:07.40 | ibot | mbfg <n=dave@38.118.53.165> was last seen on IRC in channel #bzflag, 105d 22h 38m 53s ago, saying: 'wow, you've stumped him'. |
| 04:07.40 | rob1n | who in here uses wordpress? |
| 04:07.40 | Winny | mee |
| 04:07.40 | rob1n | ~seen orchid |
| 04:08.19 | ibot | orchid <n=bzgirl@unaffiliated/orchid> was last seen on IRC in channel ##essy, 35d 4h 25m 57s ago, saying: 'SportChick: http://bzgirl.org/mp3/Skye_Edwards-Love_show.mp3'. |
| 04:08.19 | a_meteorite | Winny |
| 04:08.19 | jude- | ~seen ibot |
| 04:08.28 | ibot | ibot is currently on #bzflag (23h 29m 23s) #kierra (23h 29m 23s) #brlcad (23h 29m 23s) #handhelds-opie (23h 29m 23s) #handhelds (23h 29m 23s) #utah (23h 29m 23s) #oe (23h 29m 23s) #zaurus (23h 29m 23s) #gllug (23h 29m 23s) #pillbox (23h 29m 23s) #handhelds-gpe (23h 29m 23s) #openzaurus (23h 29m ... |
| 04:08.28 | brlcad | so about three months ago, sounds about right for the guy |
| 04:09.01 | jude- | interesting--I wasn't aware that ibot was on multiple channels |
| 04:09.23 | a_meteorite | ibot is also jbot |
| 04:09.35 | rob1n | what happened to orhcid :\ |
| 04:09.36 | jude- | ~seen jbot |
| 04:09.54 | ibot | jbot <i=ibot@pdpc/supporter/active/TimRiker/bot/apt> was last seen on IRC in channel #debian, 577d 12h 53m 47s ago, saying: 'rumour has it, sarge is Ten-HUT! Fall in! Sarge is the code name for the current stable Debian release, version 3.1, released on June 6th, 2005. Ask me about <install debian>, or i guess sarge is the biggest lump of free as in ... |
| 04:09.56 | Patlabor221 | she comes on every so often |
| 04:10.01 | rob1n | ~sarge |
| 04:10.37 | ibot | well, sarge is Ten-HUT! Fall in! Sarge is the code name for the current stable Debian release, version 3.1, released on June 6th, 2005. Ask me about <install debian>, or i guess sarge is the biggest lump of free as in freedom software ever released in one time... read the release notes at http://www.nl.debian.org/releases/stable/releasenotes |
| 04:10.37 | a_meteorite | jbot is on different channels than ibot |
| 04:10.38 | Patlabor221 | they are one and the same |
| 04:10.38 | a_meteorite | yeah |
| 04:10.46 | jude- | hmmmm.... |
| 04:10.48 | jude- | ~etch |
| 04:10.54 | ibot | well, etch is the codename for the Debian release to follow sarge, currently testing. see http://www.debian.org/releases/etch/ . Installation CDs, other media, and everything else you'll need are available from our web site, http://www.nl.debian.org/devel/debian-installer |
| 04:10.54 | rob1n | ~install debian |
| 04:10.57 | ibot | install debian is, like, use the knoppix live cd installer |
| 04:11.00 | L4m3r | heh |
| 04:11.07 | rob1n | ~bot abuse |
| 04:11.09 | ibot | ACTION huddles in the corner, whimpering 'please, please stop' |
| 04:11.16 | L4m3r | also, ibot and jbot are also known as apt |
| 04:11.24 | L4m3r | on ##debian |
| 04:11.25 | jude- | looks like ibot could use an update |
| 04:11.33 | brlcad | maybe just get a whole new nick altogether, and reserve 2501 for fistings |
| 04:13.01 | rob1n | O_o |
| 04:13.13 | rob1n | are we referring to different meanings of "fistings"? |
| 04:13.53 | Patlabor221 | ponderd it |
| 04:13.58 | Patlabor221 | can't think of another name |
| 04:14.12 | brlcad | ctoan! |
| 04:14.20 | rob1n | jeffrocks |
| 04:14.53 | rob1n | a tongue-in-cheek kinda thing |
| 04:15.23 | brlcad | mechaman |
| 04:15.35 | Patlabor221 | yeah I'm not 12 |
| 04:15.40 | brlcad | hehe |
| 04:15.51 | Patlabor221 | I could go by the other bzbb nick I made :) |
| 04:15.54 | Patlabor221 | tehSarge |
| 04:16.09 | brlcad | that'd be fitting |
| 04:16.37 | rob1n | maybe theSarge, but "teh" sounds like one of those 1337 5p34k 7h1|\|g5 |
| 04:16.53 | Patlabor221 | tehSarge wasn't very kind to the old maping fourm :) |
| 04:17.28 | jude- | maybe tehEtch, to keep up with times |
| 04:17.46 | rob1n | yeah and you can change your nick every debian release |
| 04:17.57 | Patlabor221 | I prefer Ubuntu over debian now |
| 04:18.05 | jude- | tehFeisty! |
| 04:18.06 | rob1n | ubuntu++ |
| 04:18.15 | rob1n | i've got it! |
| 04:18.16 | L4m3r | ubuntu? :o |
| 04:18.19 | rob1n | feistyjeff |
| 04:18.37 | jude- | umm... |
| 04:19.16 | *** join/#bzflag Deepa (n=deepa@wrongplanet/deepa) |
| 04:19.37 | rob1n | JeffM, you could probably get a staffer to give you jeffm |
| 04:19.51 | JeffM | hey SportChick how long does it take for a nick to reset? |
| 04:20.09 | JeffM | I's been like a year |
| 04:20.40 | Winny | JefferyM sounds more officiial :p |
| 04:20.52 | JeffM | I don't go by my full name |
| 04:20.52 | JeffM | ever |
| 04:21.06 | L4m3r | lol |
| 04:21.16 | L4m3r | same here |
| 04:21.18 | rob1n | JeffM, http://freenode.net/faq.shtml#userexpirations |
| 04:21.19 | JeffM | there are 3 people in this world who can call me that |
| 04:21.36 | Winny | L4m3r, you go by L4m3? :p |
| 04:21.38 | JeffM | 60 days, hell I'm in :) |
| 04:22.14 | L4m3r | my parents don't even call me by my first name anymore |
| 04:22.38 | L4m3r | the only person I can think of is a co-worker, and she's just... eccentric |
| 04:22.49 | L4m3r | and she left last week anyhow |
| 04:22.58 | JeffM | she wanted you |
| 04:22.58 | JeffM | bad |
| 04:23.12 | jude- | she's hoping you follow |
| 04:23.14 | rob1n | JeffM, /stats p |
| 04:23.15 | brlcad | i've had fun confusing just about everyone that knows me for years -- full name, short name, middle name, last name, etc .. some folks only know me by one or the other |
| 04:23.16 | L4m3r | rofl |
| 04:23.20 | brlcad | variety is the spice of life |
| 04:23.22 | L4m3r | she's like, 50 |
| 04:23.47 | rob1n | JeffM, though nalioth seems there |
| 04:23.53 | jude- | she's starving for you, then |
| 04:23.55 | JeffM | L4m3r, REALY bad |
| 04:25.06 | SportChick | JeffM: what do you mean? |
| 04:25.22 | JeffM | hi :) |
| 04:26.40 | JeffM | ibot, SportChick ++ :) |
| 04:26.57 | a_meteorite | ~bz20svn |
| 04:26.59 | ibot | from memory, bz20svn is http://my.bzflag.org/w/BZFlag_SVN and svn co https://bzflag.svn.sourceforge.net/svnroot/bzflag/branches/v2_0branch/ bzflag |
| 04:27.04 | SportChick | heh |
| 04:27.11 | rob1n | ~bz21svn |
| 04:27.25 | rob1n | ~bz22svn |
| 04:27.27 | rob1n | ~wordpress |
| 04:27.30 | rob1n | ~wp |
| 04:27.32 | ibot | a word processor is to words as a food processor is to food. Use LaTeX instead! |
| 04:27.39 | rob1n | ~useless |
| 04:27.41 | ibot | ACTION starts crying and hides from rob1n in the darkest corner of the room. :( |
| 04:27.46 | rob1n | hahaha |
| 04:28.08 | AAA_awright | ~useless |
| 04:28.09 | ibot | ACTION starts crying and hides from aaa_awright in the darkest corner of the room. :( |
| 04:28.13 | jude- | what other commands can be issued to ibot? |
| 04:28.21 | rob1n | ~help |
| 04:28.22 | AAA_awright | ~pi |
| 04:28.24 | ibot | it has been said that pi is ... |
| 04:28.32 | a_meteorite | ~botsnack |
| 04:28.32 | ibot | a_meteorite: :) |
| 04:28.33 | rob1n | ~tell jude- help |
| 04:28.40 | AAA_awright | ... |
| 04:28.46 | AAA_awright | ~pi |
| 04:28.47 | ibot | pi is, like, 3.141592653589793238462643383279502884197169399375105820974944592307816406286208998628034825342117067982148086513282306647093844609550582231725359408128481117450284102701938521105559644622948954930381964428810975665933446128475648233786783165271201909145648566923460348610454326648213393607260249141273724587006606315588174881520920962829254091 |
| 04:28.51 | jude- | ~help |
| 04:28.53 | AAA_awright | That is better |
| 04:28.54 | rob1n | ~tell jude- about help |
| 04:29.13 | jude- | nice |
| 04:29.14 | a_meteorite | ibot needs a turbo button |
| 04:29.19 | AAA_awright | ~turbo |
| 04:29.37 | AAA_awright | ~phi |
| 04:29.39 | ibot | somebody said phi was the golden number, (sqrt(5) + 1)/2, or approximately 1.618034. Only freaks call it tau |
| 04:30.29 | jude- | ~wikipedia |
| 04:30.44 | rob1n | ~tau |
| 04:30.47 | ibot | it has been said that tau is the difference between a velocity and c or the freaks' name for phi or a Greek letter |
| 04:30.47 | jude- | ~wikipedia microsoft |
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| 04:31.07 | rob1n | ~botabuse |
| 04:31.09 | ibot | it has been said that botabuse is fun |
| 04:31.11 | SportChick | ack, my scalp is sunburned :( |
| 04:31.26 | rob1n | i know a guy who got sunburn on his eyelids from too much PC usage :\ |
| 04:31.28 | jude- | ~sunscreen |
| 04:31.44 | jude- | ~wikipedia sunscreen |
| 04:32.03 | jude- | I think I like ibot |
| 04:32.06 | jude- | ~botsnack |
| 04:32.06 | ibot | jude-: aw, gee |
| 04:32.17 | rob1n | ~botsnack |
| 04:32.17 | ibot | thanks, rob1n |
| 04:32.35 | rob1n | jude-, ever met phenny? |
| 04:32.39 | rob1n | another bot |
| 04:32.43 | rob1n | in python |
| 04:32.44 | jude- | no, not yet |
| 04:32.49 | jude- | what's ibot written in? |
| 04:32.52 | rob1n | perl |
| 04:32.56 | rob1n | ~ibot |
| 04:32.57 | ibot | hmm... ibot is a blootbot written in perl run by TimRiker on his server. logs on http://ibot.rikers.org/<chan>/ , ibot, jbot, apt are all the same process. It uses sqlite, but mysql or other SQL storage is also supported. |
| 04:33.09 | brlcad | mmm.. beach |
| 04:33.31 | brlcad | i think i would enjoy a couple days on the beach, get away from work for a while |
| 04:34.07 | JeffM | there now, you won't have to see that horible nick anymore :) |
| 04:37.13 | L4m3r | my roommate is playing some really crappy music :( |
| 04:37.32 | JeffM | that is why they make hammers |
| 04:37.34 | DTRemenak | ask him to wear headphones |
| 04:37.52 | JeffM | and coilgun enabled roombas |
| 04:38.00 | DTRemenak | my roommate was always cool switching if I asked, he just sometimes didn't realize it was bugging me |
| 04:38.14 | L4m3r | headphones won't help |
| 04:38.19 | L4m3r | he's singing |
| 04:38.21 | brlcad | yeah, amazing what a little suggestion can do |
| 04:38.32 | DTRemenak | heh |
| 04:38.47 | brlcad | my roomies and I were cool with being told to cut something out |
| 04:38.49 | DTRemenak | record him and play it back for him tomorrow :) |
| 04:38.51 | L4m3r | and even when he does use 'phones, he plays the music so loud I can still hear it |
| 04:39.13 | jude- | better yet, put it on YouTube |
| 04:39.16 | brlcad | say .. "dude, you're singing" |
| 04:39.20 | jude- | and then play it back to him :) |
| 04:39.20 | brlcad | "and you suck" |
| 04:39.24 | Winny | nightynight :p |
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| 04:39.28 | jude- | g'night |
| 04:39.28 | brlcad | then he might be a little more self-conscious about it |
| 04:39.28 | DTRemenak | ~brlcad++ |
| 04:39.33 | DTRemenak | 'night jude |
| 04:39.55 | brlcad | cya jude- |
| 04:39.55 | jude- | I was talking to Winny |
| 04:39.55 | L4m3r | lol |
| 04:39.55 | brlcad | ahh |
| 04:39.55 | DTRemenak | oh |
| 04:40.00 | jude- | just missed him |
| 04:40.10 | brlcad | some folks are just implicitly ignored sometimes.. *ahem* |
| 04:40.37 | jude- | who are you referring to, brlcad? |
| 04:40.38 | brlcad | nothing against that particular person, but he wasn't involved in the chat, so he was a no-op |
| 04:41.01 | brlcad | nobody in particular |
| 04:41.18 | brlcad | heh |
| 04:41.24 | brlcad | <PROTECTED> |
| 04:41.38 | DTRemenak | can't? |
| 04:41.43 | SportChick | can't |
| 04:41.52 | SportChick | or rather "may not" |
| 04:41.55 | brlcad | the story of your bzlife sometimes :) |
| 04:42.01 | DTRemenak | ahh, mayn't :) |
| 04:42.04 | SportChick | mayn't? :D |
| 04:42.07 | SportChick | hehe |
| 04:42.11 | SportChick | like minds :) |
| 04:42.22 | SportChick | I just have to use mental ignore at times :) it works wonders |
| 04:42.27 | DTRemenak | heh |
| 04:42.31 | DTRemenak | selective hearing |
| 04:42.40 | SportChick | or selective window reading ;) |
| 04:42.54 | SportChick | brlcad: hehe, not bzlife :) |
| 04:42.59 | SportChick | not directly anyway |
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| 04:45.04 | brlcad | SportChick: i was referring to something else, but no matter ;) |
| 04:45.19 | SportChick | brlcad: ah, yeah, we were talking about diff things :) |
| 04:45.51 | SportChick | brlcad: as you know, my /ignore command works just fine - since you know the exact version of irssi I'm running ;) |
| 04:46.24 | brlcad | i don't inherintly know -- i'd just assume :) |
| 04:46.42 | brlcad | irssi hung on me last week :( |
| 04:47.28 | brlcad | don't know if I put it into some key state or what, but I couldn't get it to respond directly.. lost about 350 days of irssi uptime |
| 04:47.56 | DTRemenak | heh |
| 04:48.17 | DTRemenak | should have just attached gdb and pushed it out to the nearest function :) |
| 04:48.23 | lan56 | did anybody need me? I was playing and come back to see the xchat tab highlighted |
| 04:48.54 | brlcad | try /last lan56 |
| 04:49.07 | lan56 | oohh thats a command I've never heard of |
| 04:49.20 | lan56 | it says unknown command |
| 04:50.26 | brlcad | ah, maybe irssism |
| 04:50.26 | eTangenT | brlcad: That's a irssi command, methinks |
| 04:50.26 | eTangenT | cuz I have it :D |
| 04:50.38 | jude- | me too |
| 04:50.51 | brlcad | lan56: well, rob1n just said hi |
| 04:51.08 | brlcad | other than that, search the logs ;) |
| 04:51.09 | lan56 | oh, well, hello rob1n :) |
| 04:51.17 | lan56 | I have to wait till the logs are posted :( |
| 04:52.00 | DTRemenak | hm, one more week to the start of gsoc |
| 04:52.06 | brlcad | screen + irssi + remote server with big uptime = goodness |
| 04:52.10 | SportChick | brlcad: I nearly had to restart this week - had some issues |
| 04:52.18 | SportChick | finally sorted them out though |
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| 04:54.31 | SportChick | (sorry, didn't mean to monopolize the channel) |
| 04:56.33 | SportChick | heh |
| 04:56.33 | jude- | s/Boarwalk/Boardwalk |
| 04:56.33 | DTRemenak | boarwalking is more fun...like walking the dog, but with more tusks |
| 04:56.34 | brlcad | :) |
| 04:56.34 | jude- | indeed |
| 04:56.34 | brlcad | better than lamawalking for sure |
| 04:57.07 | jude- | or goatwalking |
| 04:57.55 | DTRemenak | in my experience llamas are much less amenable to walking than goats |
| 04:58.39 | DTRemenak | but who am I to talk...usually I just walk rabbits |
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| 05:07.28 | a_meteorite | brlcad: I ended up having to install automake to my local /home, cause the one on the system is old and it stopped dead in it's tracks and I'm not root on the machine so I couldn't update the system one... |
| 05:07.32 | a_meteorite | SportChick: bad me! |
| 05:08.52 | brlcad | a_meteorite: it *seems* like you've run into an outright version incompatibility .. that macros we're using are obsoleted in the version of autoconf that you're using |
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| 05:09.10 | a_meteorite | hmm |
| 05:10.40 | brlcad | i don't know that anyone else has tried with 2.61 yet |
| 05:10.40 | a_meteorite | [05:05:23][boxy@blofeld][/home/boxy/bzfs-source/2.1.x] $ autoconf --version |
| 05:10.40 | a_meteorite | autoconf (GNU Autoconf) 2.61 |
| 05:10.41 | a_meteorite | ahh... |
| 05:10.41 | brlcad | simple fix, remove the line in plugins/configure.ac:103 for starters |
| 05:10.41 | a_meteorite | interesting |
| 05:10.41 | a_meteorite | the other server, that I can compile on, has 2.61 as well |
| 05:10.41 | a_meteorite | k |
| 05:10.41 | brlcad | like I said, it just "seems" that way.. autoconf/automake can be really misleading in the error messages |
| 05:10.41 | a_meteorite | hehe |
| 05:10.41 | brlcad | it could also be aclocal screwing up |
| 05:10.48 | a_meteorite | re-running autogen.sh -v |
| 05:10.51 | brlcad | that only takes care of one of three |
| 05:11.01 | a_meteorite | :( |
| 05:11.08 | brlcad | it also complained about AC_LIBTOOL_DLOPEN and AC_PROG_LIBTOOL |
| 05:11.20 | brlcad | though autogen.sh might actually recover from those |
| 05:11.47 | brlcad | it should try to reinvoke using the libtool.m4 in the misc/ dir when/if it detects that error |
| 05:12.39 | a_meteorite | brlcad: I commented out plugins/configure.ac:103, still errors out |
| 05:13.36 | a_meteorite | brlcad: 499645 |
| 05:13.40 | a_meteorite | *http://bzflag.pastebin.ca/499645 |
| 05:13.46 | a_meteorite | darn copy/paste :) |
| 05:14.19 | brlcad | comment out the AC_LIBTOOL_DLOPEN in configure.ac |
| 05:14.50 | a_meteorite | k |
| 05:15.09 | brlcad | it's acting like you're autoconf .m4 files are missing/messed up |
| 05:15.21 | brlcad | your *system autoconf m4 files |
| 05:15.49 | a_meteorite | possible, so far this system is near identical to others I've worked on and things are already funky |
| 05:16.17 | a_meteorite | possible to replicate these autoconf m4 in my home folder and have autogen recognize those? |
| 05:16.19 | brlcad | very likely -- it happens surprisingly a lot |
| 05:16.53 | brlcad | well, if you get the error down to just not recognizing AC_PROG_LIBTOOL, that should make it easier |
| 05:17.17 | a_meteorite | brlcad: http://bzflag.pastebin.ca/499653 |
| 05:17.36 | brlcad | you should be able to cp misc/libtool.m4 acinclude.m4 and have it pick everything up |
| 05:17.51 | brlcad | er, you still have a DLOPEN |
| 05:18.03 | a_meteorite | I commented it out in the root configure.ac |
| 05:18.09 | brlcad | check the others |
| 05:18.12 | a_meteorite | k |
| 05:21.56 | a_meteorite | brlcad: http://bzflag.pastebin.ca/499656 |
| 05:22.07 | a_meteorite | I removed AC_LIBTOOL_DLOPEN from plugins/configure.ac too |
| 05:22.21 | a_meteorite | didn't do that cp, though... |
| 05:22.42 | brlcad | run "automake -a -c -f" directly |
| 05:22.46 | brlcad | what does it output? |
| 05:23.03 | a_meteorite | running.. |
| 05:23.05 | brlcad | ack, never mind |
| 05:23.12 | brlcad | read the wrong line |
| 05:23.15 | a_meteorite | heh |
| 05:24.17 | brlcad | so try, cp misc/libtool.m4 acinclude.m4 |
| 05:24.23 | brlcad | then rerun autogen.sh again |
| 05:24.25 | a_meteorite | k |
| 05:24.58 | brlcad | even if that doesn't work -- it does seem like aclocal isn't doing its job |
| 05:25.34 | brlcad | you might need to reinstall/update something if, for example, you installed libtool before autoconf or something |
| 05:25.45 | a_meteorite | hmm ok |
| 05:26.15 | a_meteorite | worst comes to worse, I could just scp binaries over from a near identical debian server... though I really like to source compile on each machine |
| 05:26.57 | brlcad | binaries aren't the problem |
| 05:27.04 | a_meteorite | I know |
| 05:27.12 | a_meteorite | I meant copying bzflag binaries |
| 05:27.15 | brlcad | they call up a bunch of data resource files, and settings |
| 05:27.22 | brlcad | ah |
| 05:27.36 | brlcad | a deinstall/reinstall might just fix it too |
| 05:27.47 | brlcad | (of autoconf and/or libtool) |
| 05:27.57 | brlcad | at least automake seems to be behaving for once |
| 05:28.03 | a_meteorite | http://bzflag.pastebin.ca/499664 |
| 05:28.12 | a_meteorite | that's with the cp misc/libtool.m4 acinclude.m4 |
| 05:29.04 | brlcad | erm cp acinclude.m4 plugins/. |
| 05:29.18 | brlcad | everything goes in pairs with those two for that sort of thing |
| 05:29.22 | a_meteorite | ahh :) |
| 05:32.56 | a_meteorite | brlcad: http://bzflag.pastebin.ca/499671 |
| 05:33.01 | a_meteorite | it looks a lot better this time |
| 05:33.42 | brlcad | er, it's back to complaingin about AC_DISABLE_SHARED |
| 05:33.47 | a_meteorite | :\ |
| 05:33.49 | brlcad | did you uncomment it? |
| 05:34.15 | a_meteorite | "AC_DISABLE_SHARED" is nowhere in configure.ac or plugins/configure.ac |
| 05:37.23 | a_meteorite | brlcad: I did comment a AC_DISABLE_STATIC in plugins/configure.ac |
| 05:44.28 | brlcad | ah, it's in ares' |
| 05:44.57 | brlcad | that's crazy though.. you shouldnt' have to disable that |
| 05:44.57 | brlcad | if it can't find that, then aclocal is definitely hosed -- try reinstalling autoconf |
| 05:45.08 | a_meteorite | sigh.. |
| 05:45.20 | a_meteorite | I'll have to make do with binaries or getting the root guy to do it :) |
| 05:45.25 | brlcad | or keep at it and comment it out, but you're getting farther and farther |
| 05:45.31 | brlcad | when the fundamental problem is unfixed |
| 05:45.38 | brlcad | none of these are bz problems so far |
| 05:45.45 | a_meteorite | I see |
| 05:46.19 | brlcad | if there are multiple versions of autoconf installed, you could try overriding and using a different one |
| 05:46.55 | a_meteorite | I did make -k, and it's compiling... I wonder how far I'll get? :) |
| 05:47.15 | brlcad | not likely very far |
| 05:47.28 | brlcad | you probably never want -k too |
| 05:48.42 | a_meteorite | heh, yeah |
| 05:48.55 | a_meteorite | it got to bzfs then couldn't link to ares because it didn't build ares |
| 05:49.15 | a_meteorite | libtool: link: cannot find the library `../../src/other/ares/libcares.la' or unhandled argument `../../src/other/ares/libcares.la' |
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| 05:57.24 | jude-_ | have I mentioned how much I hate my ISP? |
| 05:57.35 | a_meteorite | no, enlighten us |
| 05:57.58 | a_meteorite | heh |
| 05:58.06 | jude-_ | that would take a while |
| 05:58.10 | jude-_ | suffice to say: |
| 05:58.14 | jude-_ | COMCAST SHOULD ROT IN HELL!!! |
| 06:04.44 | daxxar | DTRemenak: Say what? ;P |
| 06:04.51 | daxxar | I've been GLANCED at. |
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| 06:05.07 | jude- | finally! its back up |
| 06:05.26 | daxxar | (t |
| 06:05.36 | jude- | comcast just sputters on and off for no apparant reason around this time of day |
| 06:05.53 | jude- | it's like the IT staff has no freakin' clue how to load-balance |
| 06:05.58 | daxxar | :P |
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| 10:27.29 | KTL | i got a targetting problem with my client ... |
| 10:27.38 | KTL | there is the box in the middle of the screen |
| 10:27.45 | KTL | and if i shoot |
| 10:27.53 | KTL | my bullet does not hit the object in the box |
| 10:27.58 | KTL | the small one |
| 10:28.10 | KTL | the bullet hits to the right of the box |
| 10:31.30 | KTL | for the long distance it is irritating :D |
| 10:40.01 | KTL | "set view interlaced" was responsible in my config |
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| 15:34.45 | Winny | there is another special "GUESS WHERE?!?!??!?!?!" thread...wheee |
| 15:38.18 | Constitution | ooo... looks like we have an "official" map development team now... http://my.bzflag.org/bb/viewtopic.php?p=107916#107916 |
| 15:38.49 | Winny | ah, yes |
| 15:39.03 | Winny | IM going to send him a PM about how to apply LOD to my complex meshes |
| 15:39.13 | Winny | </evil> |
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| 15:49.30 | blast007 | Winny: it looks like they made that image in MSPaint, with the pencil tool ;) |
| 15:49.44 | Winny | :p |
| 15:50.14 | Winny | I Figured they did it in gimp, scaled it down wrong, photocopied it a few times, then scanned it and uploaded it onto the site |
| 15:50.23 | blast007 | haha |
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| 16:18.30 | JeffM | there we go :) |
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| 16:18.55 | Winny | Helo Jeff |
| 16:19.50 | JeffM | someone should look at the image aprover, and find out why it's busted, and make sure the e-mails for it go out to the right people |
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| 16:19.53 | JeffM | hello |
| 16:20.36 | JeffM | brlcad, can .bo do mailing lists? |
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| 16:26.02 | L4m3r | JeffM: perhaps it'd be easier to write something into phpBB |
| 16:26.22 | L4m3r | then perms would be simpler, and mysql is a lot more reliable than email |
| 16:26.27 | JeffM | and have ANOTHER link to the fourms? ;) |
| 16:26.35 | JeffM | you can do that if you want of course |
| 16:26.41 | JeffM | I'm just thinking for the RIGHT now |
| 16:26.43 | L4m3r | nah, it'd more or less be PART of the forums |
| 16:26.47 | JeffM | to get it out of my inbox :) |
| 16:26.53 | L4m3r | but yeah, I'll look into it |
| 16:27.11 | JeffM | I'd think you'd want to move less things into the froums |
| 16:27.24 | L4m3r | yeah, but this is a simpler hack |
| 16:27.37 | JeffM | no, changing the e-mail address is a simpler hack ;) |
| 16:27.39 | L4m3r | db infrastructure is there already |
| 16:27.44 | JeffM | it can allready send e-mail |
| 16:27.55 | JeffM | and mailing lists don't even need a DB |
| 16:28.21 | L4m3r | don't you already use a DB to store licenses and such? |
| 16:28.29 | JeffM | yeah |
| 16:28.40 | JeffM | I just gotta find where it stores the e-mail |
| 16:28.53 | L4m3r | heh |
| 16:28.54 | JeffM | it may do a list allready |
| 16:29.20 | L4m3r | php's mail() function can send to multiple people |
| 16:30.21 | L4m3r | well, I have class, bbl |
| 16:35.38 | JeffM | HAH, it's hardcoded in the php |
| 16:35.54 | JeffM | brlcad, ping |
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| 16:36.36 | JeffM | Erroneous, should I have image requests sent to the dev list? :) |
| 16:36.47 | Erroneous | heh |
| 16:36.49 | Erroneous | probably not :) |
| 16:37.15 | Erroneous | and yeah, it's hardcoded |
| 16:37.26 | Erroneous | probably should set it up to a redirector or list |
| 16:37.26 | JeffM | at least the admin list isn't |
| 16:37.41 | JeffM | does .bz have lists? |
| 16:38.18 | Erroneous | dunno about full-fledged mailing lists |
| 16:38.22 | Erroneous | but it doesn't need to be that |
| 16:39.00 | Erroneous | it's single-source, multiple-recipient, not multiple-source, multiple-recipient |
| 16:39.21 | JeffM | yeah |
| 16:40.22 | JeffM | who do you think should be in the image submitter aproval? |
| 16:41.20 | Erroneous | whoever you want |
| 16:41.57 | JeffM | have blast007 you, l4m3r, learner, menotume, and sportchick |
| 16:42.19 | Erroneous | works for me |
| 16:42.40 | JeffM | heh, and I did tim |
| 16:43.55 | JeffM | can gmail forward to more then one address? |
| 16:45.22 | Erroneous | autoforward? no |
| 16:47.08 | JeffM | I am so stupid |
| 16:47.17 | JeffM | I can just put a list in the php and have it do a loop :) |
| 16:47.22 | Erroneous | heh |
| 16:47.36 | JeffM | anyone want to help me write some php? |
| 16:47.45 | Erroneous | most mtas can do multiple redirection |
| 16:48.12 | JeffM | I know not of the mta stuff |
| 16:48.13 | Erroneous | so you could just create an alias for it, and redirect it all over the place. |
| 16:48.26 | JeffM | I have no access to that kinda stuff |
| 16:48.27 | JeffM | do you? |
| 16:48.30 | Erroneous | yes |
| 16:48.37 | JeffM | wanna try? |
| 16:50.21 | Erroneous | sure, looks vaguely sendmail-y |
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| 16:54.50 | brad | are you using he mail() php function to send mails? |
| 16:54.54 | brad | he=the |
| 16:55.09 | JeffM | looks to use something called "smarty" |
| 16:55.29 | brad | ah :P |
| 16:55.55 | JeffM | having it part of the MTA would be best, as that would allow simple management of it |
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| 16:56.26 | brad | yes.. |
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| 17:01.27 | Erroneous | hmm. maybe qmail. |
| 17:04.45 | JeffM | at least they went thru the trouble to use bzbb groups for the image submiter |
| 17:04.50 | JeffM | for the admins |
| 17:08.30 | tupone | aww. you did succeed |
| 17:08.30 | JeffM | ? |
| 17:08.31 | tupone | to unget admin |
| 17:08.31 | JeffM | the cow that is purple giveth and he taketh away |
| 17:08.31 | JeffM | ;) |
| 17:08.31 | JeffM | I can still op myself if needed |
| 17:08.31 | JeffM | and I wont' be clearing my bzbb admin flag |
| 17:08.32 | JeffM | just in case |
| 17:08.32 | tupone | good, I mean the last |
| 17:08.47 | JeffM | just need to set up the image submiter to notify other people |
| 17:09.14 | JeffM | and I got this realy cool nick :) |
| 17:10.00 | Erroneous | JeffM: how long do image submittal notifications normally take to arrive? |
| 17:10.04 | tupone | well, actually I hate numbered nick |
| 17:10.12 | tupone | Actually I hate CIA-3 |
| 17:10.14 | JeffM | I don'tk now |
| 17:10.31 | JeffM | tupone, yeah, this wasn't avaialable when I changed last time |
| 17:10.34 | JeffM | but it was no |
| 17:10.38 | JeffM | had been dead for a year |
| 17:10.43 | tupone | ahh |
| 17:11.18 | JeffM | ibot nickometer JeffM |
| 17:11.25 | JeffM | yay |
| 17:11.46 | tupone | ~nickometer c3po |
| 17:11.56 | Winny | ~nickometer Winny |
| 17:11.59 | tupone | hehe, that is why I'm not using it |
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| 17:12.01 | Winny | awesome |
| 17:12.14 | JeffM | it's still a good name |
| 17:12.20 | JeffM | the context makes up for the numbers :) |
| 17:13.19 | Constitution | what did the numbers represent, pray? |
| 17:13.45 | JeffM | an old story |
| 17:14.06 | JeffM | the model number for thermoptic camoflage used in GITS |
| 17:14.22 | Constitution | ah |
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| 17:14.41 | Winny | hi sportchick! |
| 17:15.43 | SportChick | hi |
| 17:15.56 | SportChick | sorry for all the join/quits |
| 17:17.24 | JeffM | SportChick and tupone I added you 2 to the image submiter admin group, I hope you don't mind |
| 17:18.16 | tupone | hmm, dunno what that mean, but unless I'm forced to do something, I don't mind |
| 17:18.17 | JeffM | forced no |
| 17:18.19 | tupone | than is ok |
| 17:18.25 | JeffM | it just means that you can approve an image |
| 17:18.46 | tupone | but where?on the wiki? |
| 17:18.57 | JeffM | Erroneous is trying to set it up to be able to send out mails to more then one user |
| 17:19.00 | tupone | or the texture for bzflag? |
| 17:19.06 | JeffM | yeah the textures |
| 17:19.13 | JeffM | it's got a management page |
| 17:19.46 | JeffM | http://images.bzflag.org/submitimages/index.php |
| 17:20.06 | JeffM | when it can send out mail to others, I was going to ask if you wanted to be on that list too |
| 17:20.37 | JeffM | but I thought it'd be nice to have some people in europe time zones in case somone needed approval when the US sleeps |
| 17:20.53 | tupone | hehe, and they can't wait :) |
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| 17:21.02 | JeffM | probably |
| 17:21.11 | JeffM | you are also of sound/sane judgement |
| 17:21.14 | SportyGal | brlcad or erroneous: ping |
| 17:21.31 | Erroneous | Sportpong |
| 17:21.33 | Erroneous | err |
| 17:21.36 | Erroneous | SportyGal: pong |
| 17:21.44 | Erroneous | need two tabs for that completion |
| 17:21.47 | JeffM | oh, now THAT has to be one of her aliases :) |
| 17:21.59 | Erroneous | hehe |
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| 17:54.51 | Erroneous | alright, that looks like it's working now |
| 17:55.07 | Erroneous | what addresses should I notify for image approval? |
| 17:56.58 | JeffM | I'd say anyone on the admin list, unless they dont' want it |
| 17:57.13 | JeffM | let me get said list |
| 17:58.18 | JeffM | the current list is blast007, Chestal , DTRemenak , l4m3r, learner, menotume, sportChick, TimRiker, and tupone |
| 17:58.28 | JeffM | any on that list not want to be notified? |
| 18:04.42 | JeffM | they don't happen that often |
| 18:04.47 | JeffM | usualy 2-3 a month |
| 18:07.44 | tupone | me, no notification please |
| 18:08.59 | menotume | notify tupone instaed of me please |
| 18:09.12 | tupone | lol |
| 18:09.38 | Erroneous | menotume: I assume that's a "not me please" :) |
| 18:09.57 | menotume | well, i dunno |
| 18:10.03 | menotume | notify how ? |
| 18:10.07 | Erroneous | email |
| 18:10.13 | menotume | what do i need to do ? |
| 18:10.21 | JeffM | click a link it has |
| 18:10.22 | Winny | dance |
| 18:10.23 | menotume | approve/disapprove on website |
| 18:10.24 | JeffM | review the image |
| 18:10.28 | JeffM | then hit a button |
| 18:10.29 | JeffM | yeah |
| 18:10.30 | Erroneous | you can either ignore it, or click it |
| 18:10.35 | menotume | i dunno, too much work :P |
| 18:10.37 | JeffM | the rest is automatic |
| 18:10.45 | menotume | you can notify me |
| 18:10.47 | tupone | Maybe Manu is to be added :) |
| 18:10.53 | menotume | i don't always check email every day |
| 18:10.58 | JeffM | and like I say it's not often |
| 18:11.18 | menotume | right, i don't mind, i just am not always gonna be quick with it :) |
| 18:11.51 | JeffM | if somone sends one over the weekend, I'd not get to them till the monday |
| 18:11.57 | JeffM | as it was only sent to my work mail |
| 18:12.31 | JeffM | I can add manu if you feel he'd be cool with it |
| 18:13.04 | menotume | I volunteer TimRiker |
| 18:13.15 | JeffM | I'm still the owner of the group, but any board admin can add/remove |
| 18:13.23 | JeffM | TimRiker's on the list already |
| 18:13.26 | menotume | hehe |
| 18:13.27 | JeffM | I added him last night |
| 18:13.34 | JeffM | or this morning |
| 18:13.41 | menotume | so, just review for G-reated content ? |
| 18:13.53 | JeffM | basicly |
| 18:14.00 | Erroneous | tim on the board is "Tim Riker" not "TimRiker" (which is a suspended account) |
| 18:14.04 | JeffM | and obvioulsy stolen |
| 18:14.23 | JeffM | I added the right one |
| 18:14.28 | Erroneous | no, you didn't :) |
| 18:14.33 | JeffM | just now :) |
| 18:14.34 | Erroneous | ahh |
| 18:14.37 | Erroneous | ok :) |
| 18:15.06 | JeffM | menotume, I check to make sure it's not Pr0n, and if it's based off a BZ texture it's set to a GPL, not PD |
| 18:15.16 | JeffM | and make sure the license allows anyone to use it |
| 18:15.20 | JeffM | that's it |
| 18:15.45 | Winny | When does tim usually pop in? I wanted to bother him for a subdomain... |
| 18:15.54 | Winny | oh wait, he is here :p |
| 18:15.59 | JeffM | indeed |
| 18:16.53 | JeffM | spazzy mcgee is the bigest texture user these days, he knows the drill and his submisions are simple to approve |
| 18:17.24 | JeffM | it is kinda fun to guess what the map will look like from the group of images they submit |
| 18:17.31 | SpazzyMcGee | ;) |
| 18:17.38 | SpazzyMcGee | Guess my latest |
| 18:17.45 | JeffM | I saw the post |
| 18:17.48 | Winny | he may cheat and look at the borad :p |
| 18:17.52 | tupone | purple_cow, CIA-1 seems unresponsive on #gentoo-commits. Can you do something? |
| 18:17.56 | Winny | bah, stop being so fast ;) |
| 18:19.16 | JeffM | tupone, it's cus it knows you hate it |
| 18:19.21 | JeffM | with a burning burning passion |
| 18:19.25 | tupone | :) |
| 18:19.44 | JeffM | it cries it self to sleep at night knowing it's loathed |
| 18:19.54 | Erroneous | heh |
| 18:20.17 | Erroneous | b...b..but the cia never sleeps! |
| 18:20.27 | JeffM | it's like a sharkbrain |
| 18:20.33 | JeffM | parts of it go on and off to sleep |
| 18:20.35 | JeffM | and swapout |
| 18:20.44 | JeffM | thats why they change out every so often |
| 18:30.06 | noyb | Winny: some time ago you said: "noyb, that's me!" What was that about? |
| 18:30.19 | Winny | Uhh... I did? |
| 18:30.22 | Winny | when? |
| 18:30.31 | JeffM | yesterday |
| 18:30.46 | noyb | heh |
| 18:30.47 | Winny | where you asking a general question? |
| 18:31.04 | noyb | I haven't said anything in here for weeks or months... :) |
| 18:31.08 | Winny | hmm |
| 18:31.28 | Winny | must have mixed up my tab completion or something |
| 18:31.40 | Winny | cause I seriously don't remember |
| 18:32.31 | noyb | there was a qualifier right after the statement which leads me to believe the Tab completion mix-up theory: err, no* |
| 18:32.50 | noyb | anyway... have a great day. |
| 18:32.54 | Erroneous | heh |
| 18:33.15 | Winny | yay, another person thinks Im weird :D |
| 18:34.40 | noyb | hey there, brlcad |
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| 18:36.58 | Winny | hello tannerld |
| 18:37.00 | tannerld | hellh ello |
| 18:37.10 | tannerld | (if only I could spell...) |
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| 19:17.53 | Daveman | HLAGH |
| 19:18.22 | CBG` | Uh, Hi, Daveman. |
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| 19:25.36 | strayer | blast007 |
| 19:25.41 | strayer | are you around? |
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| 19:50.09 | blast007 | strayer: yup |
| 19:50.28 | strayer | I noticed you changed weblogin.php ..why? |
| 19:50.36 | strayer | btw...hi :) |
| 19:50.43 | blast007 | I remevoed the BZID from the response URL |
| 19:50.47 | menotume | to make you change |
| 19:50.48 | blast007 | removed* |
| 19:51.00 | blast007 | since you can't trust it anyway |
| 19:51.03 | strayer | why dod you remove it? |
| 19:51.21 | blast007 | go read the commit message :) |
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| 19:51.33 | strayer | I read it..but it's so useless |
| 19:52.00 | strayer | why can't I trust it?..I get the bzID and check the token..if it's correct, the bzID is correct... |
| 19:52.29 | blast007 | why do you think you CAN trust it? |
| 19:52.36 | strayer | I'm not willing to use the bulky function in checktoken.php...it's not doing what I want and I don't understand why I have to rewrite my code then |
| 19:52.36 | blast007 | the browser SENDS it to you |
| 19:53.08 | blast007 | I could easily make the browser send a different BZID |
| 19:53.33 | blast007 | the checktoken action from the list server sends back the bzid, and that one you CAN trust |
| 19:53.53 | strayer | ...with a correct token..which can normally only do someone who knows a player's nick and password |
| 19:54.20 | strayer | so I can trust this information...no? |
| 19:54.27 | blast007 | you don't understand :) |
| 19:54.34 | blast007 | you're already doing the checktoken action |
| 19:54.43 | blast007 | you just aren't parsing the BZID from the response |
| 19:54.53 | JeffM | ahh good you found each other :) |
| 19:55.07 | blast007 | checktoken uses the token number, the username, and optionally the players IP address and user groups to check |
| 19:55.10 | strayer | supp :) |
| 19:55.40 | JeffM | I was at lunch |
| 19:55.49 | Erroneous | hmm, lunch |
| 19:55.50 | strayer | well, I still don't understand why the correct check isn't ok as long as I check the token? |
| 19:56.04 | blast007 | strayer: what do you use the bzid for? |
| 19:56.20 | JeffM | probably as his main ID |
| 19:56.26 | strayer | I use it to identify a player |
| 19:56.27 | JeffM | the username can change |
| 19:56.30 | blast007 | right |
| 19:56.30 | JeffM | the ID dosn't |
| 19:56.38 | blast007 | and you can't trust what the client is sending you :P |
| 19:56.45 | blast007 | but you can trust the list server |
| 19:56.52 | blast007 | the list server will send back their bzid |
| 19:56.53 | blast007 | use that |
| 19:57.30 | strayer | why not?...the client sends me bzID AND token...I check the token with 2 lines of PHP code...and as long as it works, I can trust the given bzID, or not? |
| 19:57.38 | blast007 | no, you can't |
| 19:57.44 | strayer | why not? |
| 19:57.57 | blast007 | why could you? |
| 19:58.00 | blast007 | you're trusting the user |
| 19:58.13 | blast007 | assume they are lying |
| 19:58.17 | JeffM | because it is possbile to use a brower hack to give you a valid token with a wrong BZID |
| 19:58.26 | CBG` | users never lie! |
| 19:58.31 | blast007 | CBG`: liar! |
| 19:58.35 | blast007 | ;) |
| 19:58.38 | strayer | correct...and as long as a user has callsign and password of some player (to get the token) I have to trust him/her |
| 19:58.45 | CBG` | darn! foiled again! |
| 19:58.52 | blast007 | strayer: no, you can't :) |
| 19:58.55 | JeffM | strayer, a user could use myBZID |
| 19:58.57 | JeffM | and get myperms |
| 19:59.09 | JeffM | but auth with there username/password |
| 19:59.15 | JeffM | if all you do is trust the ID |
| 19:59.15 | blast007 | just because they have a global auth doesn't mean they are trustworthy |
| 19:59.47 | JeffM | the token just means the username and passwords match |
| 19:59.53 | JeffM | the token dosn't mean the BZID matchs |
| 20:00.24 | strayer | nah...if you have the auth data of a player it doesn't matter if it's the one or not |
| 20:00.27 | strayer | oh |
| 20:01.47 | strayer | the checktoken-function worked with callsign and token, right? |
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| 20:01.55 | JeffM | yes |
| 20:02.03 | JeffM | then it asks what the bzID is for the callsign |
| 20:02.06 | JeffM | from the list |
| 20:02.18 | JeffM | so you get the callsign -> BZID from a trusted source |
| 20:02.58 | JeffM | the old way, a user could auth using a valid callsign/password, get a good token, but then pass back another BZID, and then you'd think they were legit for that BZID |
| 20:03.09 | JeffM | and if that BZID was say, a site admin.... |
| 20:03.18 | strayer | so...the problem was the token check..instead of bzID and token it was the callsign which can be changed |
| 20:03.22 | JeffM | and you didnt' test all your permisions on groups |
| 20:03.38 | JeffM | no, the problem was the weblogin |
| 20:03.44 | JeffM | passing back the bzid |
| 20:03.52 | JeffM | cus it could be changed by a proxy on the users side |
| 20:04.10 | JeffM | there was never a check that veriried that the returned ID from the client matches the callsign |
| 20:04.43 | strayer | hm...ok, I understand...and I have to rewrite my code because someone didn't think of this possibility... |
| 20:05.30 | JeffM | yeah it wasn't thought of till last week |
| 20:05.33 | strayer | I'm far away of being happy, but I understand why you changed it |
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| 20:05.56 | JeffM | hey, I never said I knew anything about PHP or net security when I made it in the first place :) |
| 20:05.58 | strayer | any announcement in th BZBB would had been nice... |
| 20:06.06 | JeffM | we didn't think anyone was using it |
| 20:06.18 | JeffM | the ID part |
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| 20:06.27 | strayer | hm...never trost someone else ;) |
| 20:06.31 | strayer | *trust |
| 20:06.39 | JeffM | the current method is more like how the clients and servers do it |
| 20:06.48 | JeffM | only get a token and callsign from the client |
| 20:06.55 | JeffM | get all the rest from the list server |
| 20:07.12 | strayer | well JeffM, you were the one who added the bzID, because I asked you... ;P |
| 20:07.20 | JeffM | I know |
| 20:07.24 | JeffM | that I added it |
| 20:07.28 | JeffM | I didn't know if anyone used it |
| 20:07.43 | JeffM | I should have left that all to smarter people :) |
| 20:08.09 | strayer | then we still wouldn't have any weblogin |
| 20:08.35 | JeffM | I'm not sure we should have a weblogin |
| 20:08.44 | JeffM | LDAP would have been beter :) |
| 20:09.10 | blast007 | hmm, guess I left a little debug fluff in the checkToken.php file.. "if (false)" ;) |
| 20:09.48 | strayer | hmhmhm |
| 20:12.33 | blast007 | Syntax error: line 007 |
| 20:13.20 | JeffM | everything I say is a lie |
| 20:14.39 | blast007 | JeffM: even with LDAP, you'd have to have some portal page |
| 20:14.54 | JeffM | true |
| 20:15.08 | JeffM | stupid interweb |
| 20:18.53 | strayer | hm...you could invent something els |
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| 20:19.17 | strayer | something that was never seen before...something that is safe and works |
| 20:20.13 | catay | kerberos :) |
| 20:20.32 | JeffM | due to the nature of how it works, I don't think you can do anything that is safe |
| 20:20.47 | strayer | which was modified from time to time too ;P |
| 20:22.21 | strayer | hm, as long as it has to do with programming, you will indeed never get something that is 100% safe, but you could try to (just as a waste of free time) |
| 20:25.05 | blast007 | it would end up being the same concept as what we have :) |
| 20:27.27 | catay | what was the reason why kerberos support got added to the client? |
| 20:27.44 | catay | it's not getting used for auth stuff now, right? |
| 20:28.04 | strayer | blast007 ..of course ;) |
| 20:28.34 | tupone | kerberos support was never working. We(I) did before the current authorization was in place. Then someone choose to do it the way it is. |
| 20:29.24 | tupone | kerberos should have been deleted even in 2.0 but it was not. Actually the code is not compiled by default |
| 20:30.27 | tupone | And threading was only to support kerberos. Even that "threading" should have been removed |
| 20:31.08 | Erroneous | krb hasn't even been completely removed from 2.1 yet. jeff ripped out most of the big chunks, but there's still a bunch of stuff in there that needs to be purged. |
| 20:31.52 | tupone | Big chunk? I thought it was just about 20/30 lines |
| 20:32.28 | tupone | but age is what make me think of that |
| 20:33.26 | catay | hehe |
| 20:34.14 | catay | I also wonder , whats the idea behind the _V1 extension on the bzfsAPI event classes ? In 2.1 that is |
| 20:34.43 | catay | Doesn't the bzfsAPI version suffices ? |
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| 21:05.10 | JeffM | yay, now opencombat.net's drive just weent POOP |
| 21:05.16 | JeffM | what a lovely day |
| 21:05.47 | brlcad | ouch |
| 21:06.04 | JeffM | indeed |
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| 21:06.31 | JeffM | so now I'm pondering not rebuilding it |
| 21:06.31 | JeffM | and maybe geting my own host |
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| 21:23.00 | noyb | Winny: Just now noticed your private chat... and yes, I have them. |
| 21:24.12 | noyb | I can pastebin.ca what I have and you can search them. |
| 21:24.22 | Winny | ok, that works |
| 21:28.36 | noyb | http://pastebin.ca/501109 |
| 21:28.57 | Winny | merci |
| 21:29.26 | Winny | yes, it was a tab completion error on my part |
| 21:29.37 | Winny | I meant to just say "no", but I hit tab |
| 21:29.59 | noyb | so the mystery is solved. |
| 21:30.13 | Winny | yes |
| 21:37.17 | Constitution | so... suppose someone runs a site that uses weblogin.php, and then someone prestigious like... say... Silverfox signs on, and the site captures the token but doesn't check it... |
| 21:37.39 | Constitution | is it possible for an attacker to take that token and use it to log onto a game under that person's callsign? |
| 21:39.16 | Constitution | (I don't mean to discuss cheats... I'm just pondering how secure it is to use the weblogin script) |
| 21:48.40 | JeffM | tolkens expire in 10 min and are IP checked |
| 21:48.52 | JeffM | so, no |
| 21:49.04 | Erroneous | mm, tolkiens |
| 21:49.33 | JeffM | the game server you loged into would take the token, and your current IP, and send that to the list server |
| 21:49.59 | JeffM | then the list server would see that the tokens didn't match |
| 21:50.29 | JeffM | cus the first token would be from the list server itself, cus it did the lookup |
| 21:50.46 | Constitution | Hmm, I see |
| 21:50.58 | JeffM | or maybe it uses his browser IP |
| 21:51.01 | JeffM | I think it does |
| 21:51.29 | JeffM | but yeah, same thing could happen in game, somone game server could gank your token |
| 21:51.33 | JeffM | and never vierfiy it |
| 21:51.38 | JeffM | then try to reuse |
| 21:51.41 | Constitution | yeah |
| 21:51.41 | JeffM | it's the same deal |
| 21:51.50 | JeffM | thats why it does all the IP checks |
| 21:51.56 | JeffM | and has the expire |
| 22:22.41 | CIA-3 | BZFlag: 03dtremenak * r14235 10/trunk/bzflag/ (11 files in 5 dirs): further dekerberosization |
| 22:24.38 | JeffM | wow, all the colo sites seem to hide there pricing |
| 22:25.26 | Winny | JeffM, what about a VPS? |
| 22:25.26 | trepan | you should submit a request to O.E.D. for 'dekerberosization' |
| 22:25.35 | JeffM | what is a VPS? |
| 22:25.51 | Winny | VIrtual Private server, usually run about 30-40$ |
| 22:26.01 | JeffM | no |
| 22:26.05 | Winny | :\ |
| 22:26.08 | JeffM | looking at providing our own hardware |
| 22:26.12 | Winny | oh |
| 22:26.14 | JeffM | I know the prices on dedicated |
| 22:26.26 | JeffM | want to know the price break if any if we provide hardware |
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| 22:39.25 | blast007 | JeffM: for me, it was cheaper to do a dedicated... then again, my server box is 4U :) |
| 22:39.37 | JeffM | yeah that's what I'm thinking |
| 22:39.46 | JeffM | tho if I start needing better hardware |
| 22:39.53 | JeffM | the monktly's can stack up |
| 22:41.53 | blast007 | plus the cost of any repairs as time goes on |
| 22:42.20 | JeffM | yeah |
| 22:42.33 | JeffM | but paying 20$ more a month for an extra gig of ram.... |
| 22:42.44 | blast007 | :) |
| 22:42.55 | JeffM | the probable lifetime of the ram is longer then the payoff time per month |
| 22:43.37 | JeffM | well I'll be sticking with brlcad generosity for the moment :) |
| 22:52.28 | rob1n | hmm i wonder if it would be possible to do in-game ads for bzflag |
| 22:52.40 | rob1n | just special textures could probably do it |
| 22:56.00 | JeffM | sure |
| 22:56.21 | JeffM | you can apply any image to any material |
| 23:02.55 | Constitution | JeffM, blast007: ping |
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| 23:11.59 | a_meteorite | ~ping |
| 23:12.01 | ibot | pong |
| 23:12.02 | Winny | ~pong |
| 23:12.10 | ibot | PING! |
| 23:15.34 | JeffM | ? |
| 23:16.30 | Constitution | JeffM, blast007: if you would join me on #fairserve when you have a moment, I have something that I've been working on that I'd like to demo for you. |
| 23:17.53 | KTL | ... the servers with radar turned off ... i hate them. What about an option to keep radar on but not to show tanks on it? |
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| 23:24.42 | Suspect | That's a good idea KTL |
| 23:24.49 | Suspect | Hehe, there's this one server like that |
| 23:24.55 | Suspect | lots of grass hills and wings flags |
| 23:25.00 | Suspect | but no radar |
| 23:25.21 | Suspect | I find myself constantly hitting the q key to try to get it back but not getting it lol |
| 23:26.35 | KTL | so you have a habbit of turning the radar on and off ... |
| 23:26.44 | KTL | i have one for the messagepanel |
| 23:29.13 | Suspect | Well I hit the q key by accident a lot xP |
| 23:29.26 | Suspect | The message panel doesn't bother me too much |
| 23:30.51 | JeffM | Constitution, I'd recomend having Thumper_ and menotume take a look at it |
| 23:30.55 | JeffM | they know a lot about hosting |
| 23:31.01 | JeffM | and web interfaces |
| 23:31.24 | Constitution | thanks JeffM |
| 23:32.00 | eTangenT | KTL: if we enabled any radar on those servers, it would defeat the point of the server having no radar, wouldn't it? |
| 23:32.10 | ruskie | :) |
| 23:32.20 | Suspect | that's why it'd be an option |
| 23:32.29 | Suspect | Some people like to see where flags/objects are o.o |
| 23:32.36 | KTL | or bullets |
| 23:32.38 | KTL | or the whole map |
| 23:32.43 | ruskie | but even with radar it doesn't help much |
| 23:32.43 | eTangenT | Suspect: It still gives them an advantage. |
| 23:32.48 | rob1n | ~seen amathis |
| 23:35.11 | ibot | amathis <n=amathis@cpe-24-92-72-186.midsouth.res.rr.com> was last seen on IRC in channel #bzflag, 155d 4h 18m 49s ago, saying: 'I started using B heavily in 05.. had to get off the stuff tho, was burning bridges and killing my brain'. |
| 23:35.23 | Suspect | I suppose |
| 23:35.23 | Suspect | but everyone would have the advantage |
| 23:35.23 | ruskie | since all the levels almost blend into eachother |
| 23:35.23 | eTangenT | Well then, if everyone can see where stuff is, it kinda defeats the purpose of having no radar. |
| 23:35.23 | Suspect | Some servers only have it turned off to keep people from seeing other tanks though |
| 23:35.24 | KTL | there are servers that give players a certain flag, like wings |
| 23:35.24 | a_meteorite | I look at a map solely by radar |
| 23:35.24 | KTL | this would be as if everyone had stealth |
| 23:35.24 | a_meteorite | yeah |
| 23:35.24 | KTL | i can do not much without radar |
| 23:35.24 | KTL | maybe there are some audiphiles playing with a good headset to use the sound |
| 23:35.24 | ruskie | :) |
| 23:35.24 | ruskie | ppl cursed me a few times for that :) |
| 23:35.24 | ruskie | shooting then when I hear them land or jump while they have ST :) |
| 23:35.25 | eTangenT | haha |
| 23:35.25 | eTangenT | I just bought a headset yesterday :P |
| 23:35.28 | KTL | hehe got so many because of the noise they made :D |
| 23:35.37 | ruskie | I once shot a ST with SB while it was in midair |
| 23:35.44 | ruskie | thourgh a wall that is |
| 23:35.51 | ruskie | simply cause I heard the person jump :) |
| 23:36.01 | ruskie | ow how he cursed... |
| 23:36.47 | ruskie | another one was simply amazed that someone was using SB above ground level |
| 23:36.49 | rob1n | ~seen pyrobunny101 |
| 23:37.20 | ibot | i haven't seen 'pyrobunny101', rob1n |
| 23:37.20 | KTL | mmm ... what about a server base flag ... |
| 23:37.20 | KTL | everybody inside a server has the abilities of a configured flag |
| 23:37.31 | rob1n | ~seen pyrobunny |
| 23:37.37 | ibot | pyrobunny <~amathis@amathis.linuxfordummies> was last seen on IRC in channel #bzflag, 900d 19h 1m 26s ago, saying: '/nick santa'. |
| 23:37.48 | ruskie | KTL, hmm that would acctually be nice... |
| 23:38.01 | KTL | it would lead to the accumulation of abilities and some people don't like that idea |
| 23:38.11 | KTL | but it is not a flag with multiple powers ... |
| 23:38.46 | Suspect | hm |
| 23:38.46 | ruskie | would be nice to have a flag that allows you to picup 2 flags |
| 23:38.53 | ruskie | but one sideeffect |
| 23:38.57 | Suspect | I saw a lot of bashing for that on the forums |
| 23:39.02 | ruskie | if you droped any it would drop all 3 |
| 23:39.10 | KTL | in the st-server the cl flag would be cool, hunting real ghosts |
| 23:39.26 | ruskie | :) |
| 23:39.30 | KTL | well this is not multiple flags |
| 23:39.44 | KTL | but still multiple abilities |
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| 23:48.09 | tannerld | has anyone in here gotten wxPython to work with pybzedit? |
| 23:49.01 | JeffM | someone got pybzedit to actualy WORK? |
| 23:49.17 | a_meteorite | I've used it once before... |
| 23:49.19 | a_meteorite | it sucked though |
| 23:49.23 | tannerld | I got it to run; but not 3d |
| 23:49.33 | a_meteorite | pybzedit doesn't have 3d, afaik |
| 23:49.42 | a_meteorite | unless I was missing a key or button or something :) |
| 23:49.48 | tannerld | or whatever that window to the right side is :P |
| 23:50.05 | JeffM | it needs a couple libs for that to work IIRC |
| 23:50.37 | tannerld | I got wxPython |
| 23:50.46 | tannerld | but it throws up: |
| 23:50.46 | tannerld | pyBzEdit.py:44: DeprecationWarning: The wxPython compatibility package is no longer automatically generated or actively maintained. Please switch to the wx package as soon as possible. |
| 23:50.46 | tannerld | <PROTECTED> |
| 23:51.45 | JeffM | the app probably needs to be redone to use the new package |
| 23:52.36 | tannerld | yeah thats what I guessed |
| 23:53.05 | tannerld | sadly, I know no python |
| 23:53.56 | CBG` | Learn! |
| 23:54.18 | tannerld | its on my to-do list |
| 23:54.31 | CBG` | :) |
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| 23:54.40 | JeffM | or wait till SoC is over and there is a good editor |
| 23:54.49 | tannerld | SoC? |
| 23:54.57 | CBG` | Wings3D is already good. |
| 23:54.58 | JeffM | Summer of Code |
| 23:55.00 | CBG` | Google Summer of COde |
| 23:55.09 | JeffM | wings is not a full map editing solution |
| 23:55.13 | JeffM | it is a modeler |
| 23:55.26 | tannerld | so is blender :P |
| 23:55.34 | CBG` | Yes, true, but it'll do a lot :) |
| 23:55.44 | JeffM | yes, but blender has plugins that let it do native objects |
| 23:55.53 | JeffM | wings can not do native objects |
| 23:55.56 | JeffM | just meshes |
| 23:56.12 | CBG` | Well, export from wings as obj, import obj into blender, make use of blender's "plugins". |
| 23:56.21 | JeffM | sure |
| 23:56.30 | JeffM | then your using wings as a modeler, what it IS ;) |
| 23:56.39 | JeffM | you can do that from any app |
| 23:56.48 | JeffM | milkshape, max, lightwave, etc.. |
| 23:57.15 | JeffM | tannerld, one of the google summer of code projects that bzflag was approved for was, a new editor |
| 23:57.19 | JeffM | cross platform and all |
| 23:57.25 | CBG` | Java? |
| 23:57.26 | JeffM | there is a student asigned to create one |
| 23:57.28 | JeffM | nope |
| 23:57.33 | JeffM | not the java one IIRC |
| 23:57.40 | CBG` | C? |
| 23:57.46 | JeffM | probably |
| 23:57.53 | JeffM | IIRC he's going to try to share code with BZ |
| 23:57.56 | CBG` | Cool :) |
| 23:58.00 | a_meteorite | that's the smart way |
| 23:58.04 | CBG` | who's task is that? |
| 23:58.07 | JeffM | don't any of you read the wiki |
| 23:58.10 | a_meteorite | anything that gets added to bz gets added to the editor |
| 23:58.15 | a_meteorite | almost :) |
| 23:58.22 | CBG` | not regularly enough, obviously, JeffM :) |
| 23:58.24 | JeffM | a_meteorite, don't presume |
| 23:58.33 | JeffM | CBG`, not lin like months aperantly |
| 23:58.50 | a_meteorite | JeffM: presuming the student shares the code and does it effectively... |
| 23:59.00 | JeffM | depends how it's writen |
| 23:59.05 | a_meteorite | of course |
| 23:59.12 | JeffM | I don't think it can be done cleanly |
| 23:59.18 | a_meteorite | but if done effectively, it would allow for a very nice editor with the same support as the client |
| 23:59.21 | JeffM | not with out major changes to BZs structure |
| 23:59.27 | tannerld | http://code.google.com/soc/bzflag/appinfo.html?csaid=4A4B7A2C68E492DB |
| 23:59.29 | JeffM | it won't be efficent to share it |
| 23:59.30 | a_meteorite | like splitting up the drawing code |
| 23:59.31 | CBG` | JeffM: don't presume. It could be that I have a poor memory :) |
| 23:59.33 | JeffM | it'll be abstracted |
| 23:59.38 | a_meteorite | ? |
| 23:59.46 | a_meteorite | *like splitting it up? |