| 00:00.27 | JBdiGriz | It's a little more than that, and Oceanside is about an equivalent distance south. :D |
| 00:01.27 | SportChick | JBdiGriz: not really |
| 00:01.57 | JBdiGriz | I'm not going in the ocean by the warm water outflow from the nuke plant. |
| 00:01.59 | SportChick | JBdiGriz: the southern most San Clemente exit is just a couple of miles north of baselone |
| 00:02.07 | SportChick | chicken :p |
| 00:02.20 | SportChick | so surf Old Man's instead of Dog Patch :p |
| 00:02.43 | JBdiGriz | Have you seen the size of those crabs? |
| 00:02.49 | Daveman | haha |
| 00:04.12 | Daveman | so are you all socal losers? ;p |
| 00:04.25 | SportChick | JBdiGriz: I used to surf there every weekend (and a lot of weekdays) |
| 00:04.30 | SportChick | I still don't glow in the dark :p |
| 00:04.32 | JBdiGriz | No, we're all living in the best place in the world. |
| 00:04.37 | brlcad | mm.. surfing |
| 00:04.54 | SportChick | brlcad: hehe, I made something the other night cuz of you :p |
| 00:04.54 | brlcad | yet another chance to kill myself and be happy while trying |
| 00:04.59 | SportChick | brlcad: hehe |
| 00:05.21 | SportChick | JBdiGriz: trust me, I don't glow :p |
| 00:05.36 | purple_cow | the food is better here |
| 00:05.40 | SportChick | purple_cow: hehe, you used to be a Colo one though :p |
| 00:05.45 | SportChick | purple_cow: where are you up there? |
| 00:05.56 | purple_cow | I'm living in mountain view now |
| 00:06.02 | SportChick | ah |
| 00:06.05 | JBdiGriz | purple_cow: take the train for a couple of days. |
| 00:06.07 | SportChick | ever get over to Berkeley? |
| 00:06.12 | purple_cow | occasionally |
| 00:06.17 | SportChick | some of my favorite restaurants are near Berkeley |
| 00:06.28 | SportChick | purple_cow: you want some truly truly authentic Thai food, go to Cha'am |
| 00:06.49 | SportChick | there's a really fantastic Ethiopian restaurant over that way too |
| 00:08.44 | purple_cow | well, one of the reasons I moved here is that almost anywhere in the area you can locate an ethnic restaurant and it'll be "really fantastic" |
| 00:09.11 | brlcad | beautiful ride.. 3 days non-stop |
| 00:09.44 | Daveman | Bay Area \o/ |
| 00:10.25 | Daveman | brlcad, I went on a 45min plane ride :P |
| 00:10.49 | purple_cow | 45 minutes from CA to MD? |
| 00:10.51 | purple_cow | fast plane |
| 00:10.56 | Daveman | zomg |
| 00:11.07 | Daveman | purple_cow, no, silly, to san juan ;p |
| 00:11.18 | Daveman | purple_cow, you're in mv? :o |
| 00:11.39 | Daveman | Maybe I'll stop by and say hi :P |
| 00:12.46 | Daveman | purple_cow, yeah castro's the greatest :) |
| 00:12.57 | Daveman | I meet with clients/friends there for lunch all the time :D |
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| 00:54.12 | blast007 | Winny: pong |
| 00:54.50 | Hannibal | tad late there, eh blast? |
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| 00:56.34 | blast007 | Hannibal: just a bit |
| 00:56.48 | blast007 | only an hour ;) |
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| 01:00.27 | Epyon | G'evening all any GSOC news? |
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| 01:24.12 | brlcad | Epyon: yep, we're down to one slot |
| 01:24.43 | brlcad | j/k, cept s/to // |
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| 01:27.16 | Epyon | brlcad, no jokes please :P |
| 01:30.46 | CBG | ok. seriously, we only got 2 slots now. |
| 01:31.08 | CBG | no jokes. only 2 slots. |
| 01:31.12 | Epyon | *sigh* :( |
| 01:31.14 | CBG | sorry ya'll. |
| 01:31.20 | CBG | we gonna have to pick the 2 best now. |
| 01:31.22 | Raziel | oops... |
| 01:31.50 | Epyon | I was more asking about dates etc y'know ;] |
| 01:31.50 | purple_cow | hum |
| 01:31.53 | purple_cow | that stone IRS looks awesome |
| 01:32.42 | a_meteorite | you guys realize CBG isn't a dev..? |
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| 01:33.11 | a_meteorite | BZ_Win is a better than than Winny. |
| 01:33.28 | a_meteorite | Winny sounds like a girl's nick. |
| 01:33.30 | a_meteorite | :P |
| 01:33.31 | BZ_Win | smeh. |
| 01:33.33 | BZ_Win | :p |
| 01:33.51 | a_meteorite | wait. I just totally messed yp that sentence |
| 01:34.00 | a_meteorite | it must mean I'm getting hungry and tried |
| 01:34.03 | a_meteorite | *tired |
| 01:34.20 | a_meteorite | and fed up with darwinports |
| 01:34.39 | a_meteorite | but then again modifying portfiles for alpha builds of software was never designed fr |
| 01:34.43 | a_meteorite | *for |
| 01:44.58 | delusional | winny sounds like a horse to me |
| 01:45.27 | a_meteorite | lol yeah |
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| 05:02.15 | a_meteorite | stupid question someone might know... |
| 05:02.41 | a_meteorite | I accidentally created a file with a dash as the first character (-PIDFILE) |
| 05:02.43 | a_meteorite | and rm won't let me remove it. |
| 05:02.45 | a_meteorite | I've tried to put it in quotes and stuff |
| 05:02.47 | a_meteorite | rm: illegal option -- I |
| 05:02.56 | a_meteorite | it thinks the dash is an option.. |
| 05:03.29 | purple_cow | rm -- -PIDFILE |
| 05:03.42 | a_meteorite | ahh, thank you |
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| 15:37.46 | ts | TimRiker: ping |
| 15:40.35 | donny_baker | brlcad: ping |
| 15:43.15 | TimRiker | ibot: ping |
| 15:43.21 | ibot | pong |
| 15:43.44 | ts | TimRiker: I did this as a start: http://my.bzflag.org/w/Network_Protocol |
| 15:44.15 | ts | TimRiker: Do you think the kick is acceptable with that entry in server logs? |
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| 15:54.14 | ts | JeffM2501: Hi |
| 15:54.23 | JeffM2501 | yes I saw your message |
| 15:54.30 | JeffM2501 | not much of a page |
| 15:54.53 | ts | I'll add more step by step |
| 15:55.05 | JeffM2501 | I'm not sure the wiki is the best place for it, as there are many versions to document. |
| 15:55.07 | ts | but I have concerns about the kick |
| 15:55.11 | JeffM2501 | kick? |
| 15:55.27 | ts | Read..last section in wiki pag |
| 15:55.28 | ts | e |
| 15:55.57 | JeffM2501 | oh, if you send the new connect to old servers? |
| 15:56.04 | ts | yes |
| 15:56.13 | JeffM2501 | scripts should not do that |
| 15:56.22 | ts | Stats! |
| 15:56.28 | JeffM2501 | if they are scaning the list server, the know the protocoll |
| 15:56.39 | JeffM2501 | so that stats site shoudl never send that out to an old server. |
| 15:56.52 | JeffM2501 | the only one that dosn't know is the ibot type one off |
| 15:57.00 | JeffM2501 | and it can try the old way first, then the new |
| 15:57.18 | ts | The old way first is not good |
| 15:57.20 | JeffM2501 | I'll rework your page today |
| 15:57.31 | ts | You will have timeouts then |
| 15:57.32 | JeffM2501 | sure it is, if it's a new server, it'll just sit for a bit |
| 15:57.33 | JeffM2501 | yes |
| 15:57.47 | ts | and timeouts are not good |
| 15:57.54 | JeffM2501 | but there is nothing esle you can do unless you know the protocoll |
| 15:58.05 | JeffM2501 | the ibot type one off, dosn't need to be super fast |
| 15:58.22 | ts | err.. |
| 15:58.36 | JeffM2501 | the case where the timeout is important is when you are doing a lot of them |
| 15:58.41 | JeffM2501 | like scaning the list server |
| 15:58.51 | JeffM2501 | and when you scan the list server, you know the protocoll |
| 15:58.57 | JeffM2501 | so you can just do the right one off the bat |
| 15:59.06 | ts | Look at http://guc.saturos.de/ for example. It's also similar to ibot. People query it a lot and want real time results |
| 15:59.25 | JeffM2501 | where does it get it's list from? |
| 15:59.30 | JeffM2501 | the list? |
| 15:59.34 | ts | Hardcoded |
| 15:59.41 | JeffM2501 | then they can hardcode what type to use. |
| 15:59.46 | JeffM2501 | for speed |
| 15:59.48 | JeffM2501 | it's not that hard |
| 15:59.55 | JeffM2501 | it's just diferent |
| 15:59.59 | TimRiker | ts: what happened to the old network protocol page? |
| 16:00.02 | ts | you can also add user entered servers |
| 16:00.14 | ts | TimRiker: What old network protocol page? |
| 16:00.24 | JeffM2501 | ts, then he should have an inteface to ether set what one it is, or try both, as that can be a slow option |
| 16:00.31 | ts | in old wiki? Old wiki is gone and no longer accessable |
| 16:00.34 | JeffM2501 | Ts it was on the old wiki, and should have been ported |
| 16:00.42 | JeffM2501 | all the pages on the old wiki were moved over. |
| 16:00.59 | ts | I have not found network protocol being moved |
| 16:01.07 | JeffM2501 | then that is bad |
| 16:01.09 | JeffM2501 | and we should move it |
| 16:01.21 | JeffM2501 | IIRC there were also hard docs in the source tree |
| 16:01.35 | TimRiker | the old wiki it gone? |
| 16:01.43 | JeffM2501 | not gone |
| 16:01.43 | ts | yep |
| 16:01.46 | JeffM2501 | no |
| 16:01.51 | JeffM2501 | the data is still very much intact |
| 16:01.54 | JeffM2501 | it is just disabled |
| 16:01.57 | JeffM2501 | and not linked to |
| 16:02.00 | ts | 4. Error type: 404 |
| 16:02.14 | JeffM2501 | that dosnt' mean it's gone, just means it's not where you are looking ;) |
| 16:02.21 | JeffM2501 | we'd never throw data away |
| 16:02.43 | ts | maybe the data but I can't look at it through web interface |
| 16:02.57 | JeffM2501 | no, you can't |
| 16:02.59 | JeffM2501 | it is disabled |
| 16:03.11 | JeffM2501 | any developer can turn it back on |
| 16:04.28 | TimRiker | ts: I don't have an issue with getting those kick messages in the old server logs. if an admin has an issue with it, then fix it in the old branch or better yet upgrade your server to the new version. :) |
| 16:04.45 | JeffM2501 | ts, I have enabled the wiki so you can find the old docs. |
| 16:05.02 | JeffM2501 | yeah the message shoudn't be an issue for the few systems that don't know the protocoll |
| 16:05.14 | JeffM2501 | it's going to be a change, but change isn't bad |
| 16:05.18 | JeffM2501 | don't fear the change ;) |
| 16:05.19 | TimRiker | JeffM2501: you could move it to /someothernamethanwiki/ |
| 16:05.29 | JeffM2501 | how? |
| 16:05.38 | JeffM2501 | I disabled it cus it was geting spam filled |
| 16:05.43 | TimRiker | thre should be a ScriptAlias someplace. |
| 16:05.49 | TimRiker | I'll look... |
| 16:05.56 | JeffM2501 | cool, thanks |
| 16:06.11 | JeffM2501 | I was told all the pages were moved over |
| 16:06.21 | JeffM2501 | if they were not, we need to do a recheck |
| 16:06.48 | TimRiker | JeffM2501: how did you remove it before? |
| 16:06.55 | TimRiker | rename moin.cgi ? |
| 16:07.00 | JeffM2501 | yeah :) |
| 16:07.05 | JeffM2501 | simple, and didn't loose data |
| 16:08.28 | TimRiker | it's on it's way to /oldwiki/ |
| 16:08.45 | JeffM2501 | cooleo |
| 16:08.52 | JeffM2501 | nothing should link to it anymore |
| 16:10.37 | JeffM2501 | ts, just so you know, it's best to write wiki articles in thrid person so they are descriptive. but if need be I'll clean yours up for you |
| 16:10.46 | JeffM2501 | tho I think a hard doc in the tree would be best for it |
| 16:10.49 | TimRiker | k. oldwiki should work now. |
| 16:10.53 | JeffM2501 | so we can have the docs with each version |
| 16:11.13 | JeffM2501 | a single flat file will be a mess trying to document each proto version. |
| 16:11.17 | TimRiker | renamed the wiki dir, updated .htaccess rules, changes the moin_config.py template. |
| 16:11.42 | JeffM2501 | yeah I can get to it |
| 16:11.56 | JeffM2501 | links still point to wiki tho :( |
| 16:12.09 | TimRiker | that's fixable too if desired. |
| 16:12.26 | JeffM2501 | makes searching it harder, but may not be needed |
| 16:13.45 | TimRiker | how's that? |
| 16:14.07 | JeffM2501 | can't click on a link to antoehr page with out typing it in manualy :) |
| 16:14.12 | JeffM2501 | so digin thru it is harder |
| 16:14.35 | TimRiker | links in the pages should still be internal. just the sideboard is external. |
| 16:14.44 | JeffM2501 | I mean like links to pages |
| 16:14.51 | JeffM2501 | in the contents of the main |
| 16:15.02 | JeffM2501 | click the download page that is shown on the main |
| 16:15.09 | JeffM2501 | tries to go to www.bzflag.org/wiki/Downloads |
| 16:16.05 | TimRiker | ahh. hmm. |
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| 16:16.49 | JeffM2501 | ts, honestly I don't tink we should worry too much about the other scripts. There developers are capable people and can come up with solutions. If we provide the examples in the default scripts for the current protocoll, they will figure out the best way for there needs. |
| 16:17.05 | JeffM2501 | by "other script's I mean "other sites" |
| 16:17.28 | JeffM2501 | we don't need to hand hold everyone |
| 16:21.27 | *** topic/#bzflag by JeffM2501 -> http://BZFlag.org || http://cia.navi.cx/stats/project/BZFlag || http://my.BZFlag.org/wiki/index.php/Getting_Help || http://www.linuxjournal.com/article/9453 || http://ohloh.net/projects/189 || http://fisheye1.cenqua.com/browse/bzflag/bzflag || New WIKI! http://my.bzflag.org/w/ || Migrated from CVS to SVN: http://my.bzflag.org/w/BZFlag_SVN || GSoC final slot results are now in: four |
| 16:26.06 | TimRiker | JeffM2501: hmm. not sure where it's getting that. I've updated the url_prefix, but it still puts wiki instead of old wiki. |
| 16:26.40 | JeffM2501 | odd |
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| 16:50.26 | ts | JeffM2501: Heh, 3rd person..I'm happy if it doesn't have too much spelling errors |
| 16:50.40 | JeffM2501 | we can fix your spelling |
| 16:50.44 | JeffM2501 | people fix my spelling :) |
| 16:51.25 | ts | JeffM2501: I'll update the default script to be always quick, even though it leaves that message down there in the log |
| 16:51.34 | TimRiker | JBdiGriz: found it. hardcoded deep in moinmoin for some reason. |
| 16:51.44 | JeffM2501 | the current script should do what the current prototocoll does |
| 16:51.53 | JeffM2501 | so that's fine |
| 16:54.24 | donny_baker | s/prototocoll/protocol/ ;) |
| 16:54.36 | JeffM2501 | heh |
| 16:54.43 | JeffM2501 | see, spelling |
| 16:55.06 | JeffM2501 | wasn't there a proto doc in the source? |
| 16:57.41 | donny_baker | BZFlag\doc\guide\NetworkProtocol.xml .... this it? |
| 16:59.09 | CIA-17 | BZFlag: 03t-s * r14017 10/trunk/bzflag/ (misc/bzfquery.php src/bzflag/playing.cxx): Update bzfquery.php sample script to work with protocol 0048, use backup mode when getting older protocol version |
| 16:59.42 | ts | bleh...not playing.cxx :x |
| 16:59.59 | ts | donny_baker: but it's terribly outdated |
| 17:00.32 | donny_baker | I have no doubt, but I think that is the one Jeff is thinking about |
| 17:01.56 | JeffM2501 | ts, yes we know it's outdated, but better to update that then make a new one ;) |
| 17:02.04 | JeffM2501 | all the docs we have are outdated |
| 17:02.15 | TimRiker | there are a few of them. merging them and discarding the old versions would be a Good Thing. |
| 17:02.20 | JeffM2501 | yes |
| 17:02.32 | JeffM2501 | I think they shoudl be kept with the source |
| 17:02.44 | JeffM2501 | as they are tied to the versions of the source they are with |
| 17:02.49 | TimRiker | as JeffM2501 points out, svn is the place it should live so it can change as the source does. |
| 17:03.31 | TimRiker | would be nice to have a version on the web site that is checked out automagically, but a link to the page in SVN would be eaiser. |
| 17:04.26 | JeffM2501 | that is one nice thing about SVN is that it's all a web URL :) |
| 17:04.36 | ts | JeffM2501: Hrm, I can not revert the change on playing.cxx |
| 17:04.49 | JeffM2501 | what change? |
| 17:05.02 | ts | All I get is ">" as reply and a blinking cursor |
| 17:05.34 | ts | a std::cout<< "reached\n"; I have put in when it didn't connect properly.. |
| 17:05.48 | JeffM2501 | and you want to take it out? |
| 17:05.58 | ts | yes..but svn doesn't let me |
| 17:06.07 | JeffM2501 | because I think it got taken out already |
| 17:06.09 | ts | man, I'm so dumb :x |
| 17:06.12 | JeffM2501 | do an upate before you revert ;) |
| 17:06.17 | ts | I did |
| 17:06.19 | ts | still in |
| 17:07.45 | ts | http://bzflag.svn.sourceforge.net/viewvc/bzflag/trunk/bzflag/src/bzflag/playing.cxx?view=log |
| 17:07.46 | JeffM2501 | that the only change made? |
| 17:07.59 | ts | The only unintentional one :/ |
| 17:08.07 | JeffM2501 | I mean in that file |
| 17:08.18 | JeffM2501 | so I can revert the entire file |
| 17:08.20 | JeffM2501 | right? |
| 17:10.29 | CIA-17 | BZFlag: 03JeffM2501 * r14018 10/trunk/bzflag/src/bzflag/playing.cxx: revert over the logging that was added accidentally. |
| 17:11.31 | JeffM2501 | there ya go |
| 17:12.15 | ts | tnx |
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| 17:14.01 | JeffM2501 | Erroneous, we should write down our notes on group management somewhere |
| 17:14.08 | Erroneous | probably |
| 17:14.19 | JeffM2501 | where? |
| 17:14.34 | JeffM2501 | cus if you liked it then that means my idea didnt suck :) |
| 17:15.44 | JeffM2501 | a link in the todo to the wiki maybe? |
| 17:17.50 | ts | I wonder about why we don't use a tool like doxygen |
| 17:18.40 | JeffM2501 | IIRC it's mostly based on comnents in the code right? |
| 17:18.49 | ts | yes |
| 17:18.58 | JeffM2501 | not realy code when your doing a design |
| 17:19.03 | JeffM2501 | and have no code |
| 17:19.23 | JeffM2501 | brlcad was working on seting it up but it never got finished |
| 17:20.48 | JeffM2501 | I think it's a lot easier to set up for a new proejct then an older one. |
| 17:23.45 | brlcad | i was? |
| 17:24.02 | Manu | hehe |
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| 17:24.35 | brlcad | bz has doxygen comments sprinkled throughout, it's up to devs to add the markers as they come across them |
| 17:24.40 | Manu | buonasera tupone |
| 17:24.43 | brlcad | there's otherwise not really any "setting up" |
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| 17:25.02 | brlcad | amounts to mostly adding an extra * here and there |
| 17:25.04 | tupone | TimRiker, did you read my message? ibot is not logging since 2 days |
| 17:25.09 | tupone | hola Manu |
| 17:27.18 | JeffM2501 | you added the dirs right? |
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| 17:33.06 | brlcad | JeffM2501: what dirs? |
| 17:33.50 | JeffM2501 | thedoxygen ones |
| 17:33.59 | JeffM2501 | back when you started loging :) |
| 17:34.15 | brlcad | i'm not aware of any doxygen dirs |
| 17:34.19 | JeffM2501 | oh |
| 17:34.20 | brlcad | or what that means |
| 17:34.29 | brlcad | doxygen is just comments in the code |
| 17:34.40 | brlcad | and a doxygen processing file |
| 17:34.47 | JeffM2501 | what's allthe XML stuff in the doc dir then? |
| 17:34.53 | brlcad | ahh, that's docbook |
| 17:34.54 | JeffM2501 | I thought that had to do with doxygen |
| 17:34.55 | JeffM2501 | ahh |
| 17:34.58 | JeffM2501 | my bad |
| 17:35.03 | brlcad | nothing to do with doxygen |
| 17:35.06 | JeffM2501 | they both start with do |
| 17:35.08 | JeffM2501 | ;) |
| 17:36.10 | JBdiGriz | Do Re Mi Fa Sol La Ti Do |
| 17:36.59 | brlcad | as for the old docbook stuff.. that content could/should probably mostly get merged with the wiki now |
| 17:37.52 | brlcad | there's a way to dump wikimedia data as an export for a given site, could readily automate stashing it into the source tree autogenerate other formats for distribution |
| 17:39.13 | TimRiker | tupone: nope, missed that... |
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| 17:50.41 | JeffM2501 | brlcad, we have to have our finals set by 5? |
| 17:51.55 | Epyon | In 7 minutes afaik... |
| 17:52.14 | Epyon | JeffM2501, BTW, do I have a mentor assigned? |
| 17:52.23 | JeffM2501 | I thought it was 5 PST |
| 17:52.30 | JeffM2501 | yes, you ahve had one for AGES ;) |
| 17:52.36 | Epyon | Whom? :) |
| 17:53.08 | JeffM2501 | some jerk, I think you'll hate him ;) |
| 17:53.21 | Manu | lol |
| 17:53.22 | Epyon | JeffM2501, I heard it was 7 AM GMT, but sources unreliable. |
| 17:53.29 | Epyon | JeffM2501, you :P? |
| 17:53.33 | JeffM2501 | not me |
| 17:53.35 | JeffM2501 | I have none |
| 17:53.44 | Epyon | Then I won't hate him probably :P |
| 17:53.53 | JeffM2501 | I've not seen them do anything in GMT |
| 17:54.08 | Epyon | April 11: List of accepted student applications published on code.google.com by 5:00 PM Pacific time (00:00 UTC April 12, 2007) |
| 17:54.12 | Epyon | You were right. |
| 17:54.16 | JeffM2501 | there ya go :) |
| 17:54.31 | JeffM2501 | we may have one swap out in our list |
| 17:54.38 | JeffM2501 | so we aren't totaly final |
| 17:54.39 | Epyon | Hmm, what time is it in PT now? :| |
| 17:54.46 | JeffM2501 | I like the list as it sits now |
| 17:54.53 | JBdiGriz | almost 11 |
| 17:54.53 | JeffM2501 | close to 11 |
| 17:55.05 | Epyon | So 6 hours left. |
| 17:55.09 | JeffM2501 | indeed |
| 17:55.16 | Epyon | I'll still be here then ;] |
| 17:55.20 | Manu | JeffM2501: I prefer to switch 4th and 5th :) |
| 17:55.26 | JeffM2501 | yeah I know |
| 17:55.32 | JeffM2501 | it's a tough call between those 2 |
| 17:55.43 | JeffM2501 | I can understand going ether way |
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| 17:56.03 | JeffM2501 | I thik we'll get better work out of 4, but the task for #5 is good to have. |
| 17:56.39 | JeffM2501 | one more slot would make it so much easier :) |
| 17:56.46 | Manu | hehe, true |
| 17:57.28 | Epyon | You lost one slot recently? |
| 17:57.32 | JeffM2501 | I think the comunity will like and use the task for #4 |
| 17:57.49 | Manu | Epyon: yes |
| 17:57.53 | JeffM2501 | #5 can be nice, but it may end up only being the hooks for somethign nice, not something useable off the bat |
| 17:58.01 | Epyon | :( |
| 17:58.04 | JeffM2501 | we went from 5 to 4 yesterday |
| 17:58.51 | JeffM2501 | it happens |
| 17:58.59 | Manu | I hope they stop in 4 |
| 17:59.02 | JeffM2501 | I think we did ok for a first time org |
| 17:59.09 | JeffM2501 | the slot reorg is done |
| 17:59.10 | JeffM2501 | we have 4 |
| 17:59.19 | JeffM2501 | the meeting for that was yesterday |
| 17:59.31 | Manu | ah, that's good |
| 17:59.42 | Manu | today was the timeline, right? |
| 17:59.43 | JeffM2501 | we are first time, and a game, so it's understandable that others would get more then us |
| 17:59.51 | JeffM2501 | today we have to have our finals in |
| 18:00.03 | JeffM2501 | blrcad is debating between 4 and 5 |
| 18:00.14 | Manu | yeah, I know |
| 18:00.43 | Manu | Epyon: be patient ;) |
| 18:00.43 | JeffM2501 | Epyon you don't have to worry |
| 18:00.44 | Epyon | Patience is a virtue that I don't have :P |
| 18:00.56 | JeffM2501 | DTRemenak and myself will be doing #10 |
| 18:02.34 | JeffM2501 | for a project I'd rather have #8 over 4 or 5 |
| 18:02.46 | JeffM2501 | to do the things that #3 isn't going to do |
| 18:03.05 | a_meteorite | so only 4 GCoS programmers? |
| 18:03.12 | JeffM2501 | 4 slots |
| 18:03.14 | JeffM2501 | yes |
| 18:03.15 | Manu | a_meteorite: students |
| 18:03.19 | a_meteorite | that seems about right, but it'd be nice to have more.. |
| 18:03.22 | KTL | :) |
| 18:03.24 | a_meteorite | Manu: :) |
| 18:03.32 | JeffM2501 | 6 would have been a sweet spot |
| 18:03.49 | JeffM2501 | next year we will do better if we do ok this year |
| 18:04.14 | a_meteorite | Does Google accept more projects every year or can only so many get in? |
| 18:04.15 | Manu | next year.. who knows :) |
| 18:04.27 | JeffM2501 | they have a limt each time they do it |
| 18:04.30 | a_meteorite | I'm sure they have to have a set limit. |
| 18:04.31 | a_meteorite | Ah. |
| 18:04.35 | JeffM2501 | this year they accepted more projects |
| 18:04.46 | JeffM2501 | we got more then a number of other projects |
| 18:04.50 | JeffM2501 | more then GCC :) |
| 18:05.01 | JeffM2501 | we asked for a lot tho |
| 18:05.08 | JeffM2501 | others may not have goten what they asked for |
| 18:05.12 | a_meteorite | heh |
| 18:05.14 | JeffM2501 | or not asked for many |
| 18:05.25 | JeffM2501 | the other game asked for 4 and got 4 IIRC |
| 18:05.32 | Manu | if you don't ask, don't receive ;) |
| 18:05.37 | JeffM2501 | yeah |
| 18:05.40 | JeffM2501 | we asked for 10 |
| 18:06.06 | JeffM2501 | 4 shoudl be very manageable for a first shot |
| 18:06.17 | a_meteorite | Is the project pages available by now? |
| 18:06.23 | JeffM2501 | no |
| 18:06.26 | JeffM2501 | at 5 |
| 18:06.32 | a_meteorite | k |
| 18:06.42 | JeffM2501 | that is when they announce |
| 18:07.01 | JeffM2501 | I'll be happy if #1 and #2 get done |
| 18:07.15 | JeffM2501 | #3 may not result in anything other then a list of thigns that don't work for us |
| 18:07.32 | JeffM2501 | usefull info to have but not to the end users. |
| 18:07.44 | a_meteorite | Quite a few proposal ideas. Any been decided on or is that to be announced? |
| 18:08.07 | JeffM2501 | we have our list as it sits now |
| 18:08.27 | JeffM2501 | we have to decide on who gets slot 4 |
| 18:08.42 | JeffM2501 | as our #4 and 5 person are ranked the same |
| 18:08.52 | a_meteorite | Ah. |
| 18:08.53 | Manu | we can throw a coin, head #5 wins, tail #4 loses ;) |
| 18:09.00 | JeffM2501 | actualy 4,5, and 6 are all ranked the same |
| 18:09.02 | Erroneous | heh |
| 18:09.07 | JeffM2501 | it may come down to that |
| 18:09.08 | a_meteorite | But have the proposal ideas to be worked on been decided yet? ( http://my.bzflag.org/w/Google_Summer_of_Code#Proposal_Ideas ) |
| 18:09.15 | a_meteorite | Or will any of the end users ever know? |
| 18:09.26 | JeffM2501 | a_meteorite, yes every student has submited a proposal |
| 18:09.29 | JeffM2501 | that's what we are discussing |
| 18:09.33 | a_meteorite | Ahhh |
| 18:09.34 | JeffM2501 | the list of proposals |
| 18:09.39 | JeffM2501 | we have them all ranked |
| 18:09.41 | a_meteorite | I thought you meant the list of applicants :) |
| 18:09.50 | JeffM2501 | they go together |
| 18:10.18 | a_meteorite | Personally, I'd love to see better DR and Networking |
| 18:10.31 | JeffM2501 | there were proposals for those |
| 18:10.31 | a_meteorite | But I guess that's up to what the applicants decide :) |
| 18:10.37 | a_meteorite | that's good |
| 18:10.50 | JeffM2501 | that's one that may be hard to do |
| 18:11.01 | JeffM2501 | tupone, we lost him to the python project |
| 18:11.03 | a_meteorite | I could see an auth daemon having it's uses.. |
| 18:11.09 | JeffM2501 | he was in our top list |
| 18:11.17 | JeffM2501 | he was #3 |
| 18:12.03 | Manu | yes, the italian guy |
| 18:12.16 | JeffM2501 | I mean we can have #4 work on auth deamon as part of his thing |
| 18:12.27 | JeffM2501 | I am "prety sure" he'd be ok with it |
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| 18:12.50 | JeffM2501 | those are options |
| 18:13.10 | JeffM2501 | thats why I think we'd get better work out of #4 |
| 18:13.31 | KTL | (do they have names?) |
| 18:13.50 | a_meteorite | I don't think they will until they're decided on :) |
| 18:13.57 | brlcad | JeffM2501: no, not finalized yet .. tis a decision to be made real soon ... |
| 18:14.22 | JeffM2501 | they do have names, but I'm using numbers so the other mentors know and we don't give stuff away too soon before that last shuffle |
| 18:15.31 | Epyon | a_meteorite, my proposal isn't even on that list :| |
| 18:15.46 | a_meteorite | Epyon: What was yours? Can you reveal it? |
| 18:15.55 | Manu | heh |
| 18:16.20 | Epyon | a_meteorite, no secret I guess, I've been talking about it a lot here... random map generators |
| 18:16.30 | a_meteorite | ahh |
| 18:16.33 | Manu | Epyon: random level you said ;) |
| 18:16.43 | a_meteorite | Random with patterns would be interesting |
| 18:17.06 | Epyon | Manu, after some thinking I came up with the conclusion that "random map" is more accurate :P |
| 18:17.18 | Manu | Epyon: we have random map actually ;) |
| 18:17.27 | Epyon | Manu, uh yeah :P |
| 18:18.10 | Epyon | a_meteorite, there will be various generators to be tweaked by taste. |
| 18:18.51 | a_meteorite | Epyon: This might be of interest to you, have you seen Thumper's Python script for generating BZ Olympics? |
| 18:19.30 | Manu | KTL: is not so easy :) |
| 18:19.55 | Epyon | KTL, no worries ;] |
| 18:19.55 | Manu | first you need to be a good player to understand the tricks ;) |
| 18:20.08 | KTL | pyramids for example, if these things are placed randomly then tanks get stuck in them before they know it |
| 18:20.28 | JeffM2501 | probalby best not to discuss SoC things till it's announced. |
| 18:20.31 | KTL | driving backwards bullets incoming must jump must jump help jump does not work stuck pyramid bullet impact BANG |
| 18:20.45 | a_meteorite | lol |
| 18:21.04 | a_meteorite | brb |
| 18:21.20 | Epyon | KTL, Diablo had it's random dungeons accessible, didn't it? And in my view their random dungeon algo was realy primitive :P |
| 18:22.03 | Epyon | KTL, a little more optimism please ^_^ |
| 18:22.26 | KTL | well i tried to make something too long ago, it is difficult |
| 18:23.05 | KTL | if the walls are rotated randomly for example, then you easely get too much randomly fliing shots |
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| 18:23.36 | JeffM2501 | wow that boy needs to learn how to share |
| 18:23.47 | JeffM2501 | he wants admin perms on all servers that use his maps |
| 18:23.54 | KTL | lol |
| 18:23.58 | Epyon | who? :| |
| 18:24.04 | JeffM2501 | big daddy |
| 18:24.17 | Manu | heh |
| 18:24.17 | KTL | (thought he got kicked banned raped ) |
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| 18:24.29 | JeffM2501 | language please |
| 18:24.42 | JeffM2501 | he was for a bit untill he decided to talk like a human again |
| 18:24.47 | ruskie | did he acctually make any maps? |
| 18:24.50 | CBG | Hah. Someone was demanding full perms on a server running a map made entirely by two utterly different people because he helped come up with the original idea. |
| 18:24.52 | JeffM2501 | yeah |
| 18:25.01 | JeffM2501 | and he's pissed blast won't give him admin |
| 18:25.11 | JeffM2501 | I tried to epxplain that they are seperate issues. |
| 18:25.17 | CBG | language please |
| 18:25.17 | sussi | hi i'm looking for someone (possibly natural english) who could look through a new website |
| 18:25.27 | ruskie | I wouldn't give such a person any access on even a testing server |
| 18:25.30 | Manu | CBG: I have a special group for those guys.. I just add them to the LOCAL.SPECIALCOP group |
| 18:25.38 | ruskie | :) |
| 18:25.39 | CBG | lol Manu ;) |
| 18:25.46 | ruskie | we're evil ;) |
| 18:25.50 | CBG | I just told him "hell no." :) |
| 18:25.50 | JeffM2501 | I am adding a post to the map releases stating what acceptable licenses are for releasing maps on bzbb |
| 18:26.12 | ruskie | erm |
| 18:26.15 | KTL | sussi, how large is it? i am not a native speaker but can see some mistakes |
| 18:26.18 | ruskie | here's the basic one... general copyright |
| 18:26.53 | ruskie | you can copy and use it as-is without modification or any local modifiaction as long as you don't distribute it etc... |
| 18:26.57 | ruskie | sorta like qmail and stuff |
| 18:27.08 | sussi | http://german-open-tournament.de/ |
| 18:27.34 | JeffM2501 | I want to say that if you release it on bzbb, it needs to have an open source compatable license |
| 18:27.39 | JeffM2501 | as that is what we are abbout |
| 18:27.40 | JeffM2501 | sharing |
| 18:28.31 | ruskie | I guess some of the creative commons licenses might work as well |
| 18:28.39 | ruskie | if not all |
| 18:28.55 | CBG | How would one enforce such a thing? Say a map is downloaded directly from the server, by a client, and re-hosted without permission... What can the map creator do? |
| 18:29.05 | ruskie | sue |
| 18:29.18 | Manu | CBG: he can cry |
| 18:29.32 | CBG | other than that? |
| 18:29.50 | ruskie | call riaa or mpaa |
| 18:29.55 | Manu | CBG: remember all your family too ;) |
| 18:30.01 | ruskie | and claim the server is hosting an teh evil filesharing network |
| 18:30.02 | CBG | hmm? |
| 18:30.25 | Manu | CBG: in the way of.. you son of.. and such things |
| 18:30.39 | CBG | aha ;) |
| 18:30.51 | Manu | CBG: he also can press F12 ;) |
| 18:30.55 | CBG | pff |
| 18:31.14 | Manu | and F5 to take a probe |
| 18:31.16 | ruskie | maybe add a general disputes forum on the bb so that ppl can dispute such claims |
| 18:31.46 | Manu | evidence I mean |
| 18:32.01 | ruskie | grab it from the cache since you had to get it :) |
| 18:33.28 | KTL | sussi, I'm rewriting a bit |
| 18:33.55 | sussi | good, you could get a account |
| 18:34.28 | KTL | i just send you my texts, you can put it there if you want |
| 18:34.38 | sussi | ah okay |
| 18:35.58 | brlcad | JBdiGriz: pingo |
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| 18:37.14 | a_meteorite | yeah, the thing I didn't like about map downloading is it doesn't preserve comments |
| 18:38.35 | JeffM2501 | there is no a clarificaiton post in the map releases section |
| 18:41.50 | a_meteorite | JeffM2501: putting the license in a map file won't work for people downloading it from a server |
| 18:41.57 | a_meteorite | the comments are stripped |
| 18:42.14 | a_meteorite | "It is highly recommended that you indicate your license in your map file, as that offers you the most protection of your work." |
| 18:42.30 | ruskie | well then that needs fixing to the server... not to strip that |
| 18:42.35 | a_meteorite | yeah |
| 18:42.40 | JeffM2501 | a_meteorite, yes |
| 18:42.49 | JeffM2501 | but a user can also remove the license |
| 18:42.56 | JeffM2501 | it's not that it dosnt' "WORK" |
| 18:43.07 | a_meteorite | they could, but it'd be a good idea to have it at least there |
| 18:43.20 | a_meteorite | just to make it all legal |
| 18:43.49 | JeffM2501 | its still legal |
| 18:44.02 | JeffM2501 | having the license in your posted map, helps you enforce your license |
| 18:44.05 | a_meteorite | if someone doesn't know the license, it's kinda hard to prove it ;) |
| 18:44.22 | a_meteorite | not everyone gets maps via the bzbb or is even signed up there |
| 18:44.22 | JeffM2501 | it's YOUR job to protect your stuff, not theres |
| 18:44.33 | JeffM2501 | excatly we are not the guardians of your IP |
| 18:44.46 | JeffM2501 | put your license in the server message |
| 18:44.46 | a_meteorite | that's why bzflag shouldn't strip the comments. |
| 18:44.54 | JeffM2501 | it would be nice it it didn't |
| 18:44.59 | JeffM2501 | but it's not a requirement |
| 18:45.08 | JeffM2501 | there are other ways to show your licnese |
| 18:45.13 | a_meteorite | true, that |
| 18:45.21 | JeffM2501 | it's somethign we shuld look into |
| 18:45.26 | JeffM2501 | but it dosn't make it "not work" |
| 18:45.33 | ruskie | or add a bit of a texture like a plaque from st that has you license in it and patch it on a wall someplace for ppl :) |
| 18:45.45 | a_meteorite | heh |
| 18:46.52 | JeffM2501 | it all depends on how much you want to protect your work |
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| 18:47.12 | JeffM2501 | the more documentation you have on it, the more tools you have to protect yourself |
| 18:47.18 | a_meteorite | I like to fully protect mine |
| 18:47.21 | KTL | sussi, do you see the private channel I opened? |
| 18:47.35 | a_meteorite | but I won't be able to release them on the bzbb now... I don't want GPL on my maps |
| 18:47.35 | JeffM2501 | a_meteorite, then don't release your maps |
| 18:47.36 | ruskie | well off for some patroling... |
| 18:47.43 | JeffM2501 | thats the only way to fully protect them |
| 18:47.57 | a_meteorite | what about maps that have already been posted on the bzbb? |
| 18:47.58 | JeffM2501 | a_meteorite, gpl is not the only license |
| 18:48.04 | JeffM2501 | a_meteorite, read all the words |
| 18:48.14 | a_meteorite | I read your post |
| 18:48.21 | JeffM2501 | and it mentions maps on the boards then |
| 18:48.35 | JeffM2501 | what do you not like about the GPL? |
| 18:48.44 | JeffM2501 | you wish to restrict who can use them? |
| 18:48.46 | a_meteorite | it's not restrictive enough |
| 18:48.49 | a_meteorite | yeah |
| 18:48.56 | JeffM2501 | to who? |
| 18:49.04 | sussi | sKTL: sorry no |
| 18:49.14 | JeffM2501 | why post it if you don't want eveyrone to use it? |
| 18:49.20 | a_meteorite | to idiots who like to claim it's theirs, who modify it and claim it's theirs |
| 18:49.28 | a_meteorite | it's happened many times to me |
| 18:49.31 | JeffM2501 | the GPL protects you against that |
| 18:49.48 | a_meteorite | heh, I don't want to sue ;) |
| 18:49.59 | a_meteorite | though I sent a cease and desist letter once. it worked. |
| 18:50.04 | JeffM2501 | there ya go |
| 18:50.17 | JeffM2501 | any license that allows free unrestricuted use and distrobution is fine |
| 18:50.23 | JeffM2501 | it can have a modification clause |
| 18:50.28 | a_meteorite | oh |
| 18:50.33 | JeffM2501 | but you can not say "you can not use this" to anyone |
| 18:50.56 | JeffM2501 | or "you can only use it if you do XXXX" |
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| 18:51.06 | a_meteorite | I re-read your post and I don't see where it addresses maps that have already been posted at the bzbb |
| 18:51.13 | a_meteorite | cause I have a few posted on the bzbb |
| 18:51.31 | JeffM2501 | "If there are any maps hosted by authors that do not agree to these terms, then the authors should remove the maps. " |
| 18:51.36 | JeffM2501 | read harder |
| 18:51.40 | a_meteorite | oh k |
| 18:52.05 | a_meteorite | wasn't scanning for the right term |
| 18:52.35 | a_meteorite | oi, finding those topics is gonna be a pain |
| 18:53.26 | JeffM2501 | you want to restrict use? |
| 18:53.49 | JeffM2501 | if your ok with leting anyone use, but no mod, then leave em, as that is compatable |
| 18:53.50 | a_meteorite | I don't know yet, I haven't made up my mind |
| 18:54.07 | JeffM2501 | if you want to be shelfish, then yeah, get em off our server |
| 18:54.26 | a_meteorite | mmm, I only have one map posted, I'll leave it. it wasn't one of my best works. |
| 18:54.44 | JeffM2501 | we just want to promote sharing of content |
| 18:54.51 | JeffM2501 | just like we do with the soruce code |
| 18:54.57 | a_meteorite | I get that |
| 18:55.01 | JeffM2501 | with respect to that author's copyright of course |
| 18:55.14 | JeffM2501 | just as we expect others to respect our copyright |
| 18:55.17 | a_meteorite | I've seen a lot of people be idiotic with it though |
| 18:55.29 | JeffM2501 | there will allways be those people |
| 18:55.33 | a_meteorite | yeah |
| 18:55.41 | a_meteorite | and being a game, suing is something I really don't want to do |
| 18:55.50 | a_meteorite | you aren't left with many options |
| 18:55.53 | JeffM2501 | and as I say, the more info you publish the better you can enfoce. |
| 18:56.41 | JeffM2501 | you know what others can do with your stuff the moment you host it on the net |
| 18:56.44 | JeffM2501 | same for web pages |
| 18:57.04 | a_meteorite | yeah |
| 18:57.11 | JeffM2501 | an image can be downloaded and saved, and not have the license text next to it on the page saved with it |
| 18:57.19 | JeffM2501 | downloading from the client is the same deal |
| 18:57.57 | JeffM2501 | sure it'd be nice if we sent the comments, but there are so many ways that you can get the content with out the license, you can't relly on techicnal means to protect you |
| 18:58.18 | JeffM2501 | I mean we coudl render the scene on the server and send out pictures, then we'd not even send the binary map |
| 18:58.30 | a_meteorite | hah |
| 18:58.37 | a_meteorite | that's a tad over-the-top for me |
| 18:58.57 | JeffM2501 | exactly, there are lines to be drawn |
| 18:59.08 | JeffM2501 | sure if somone makes a patch that gets comments to the client, that's great |
| 18:59.15 | JeffM2501 | I'm sure it'd be accepted |
| 19:02.49 | KTL | sussi, your jabber.org email does not work :D |
| 19:03.32 | sussi | skype me : rak640 |
| 19:04.13 | KTL | and does skype allow transferring text files? |
| 19:05.15 | a_meteorite | you can transfer any files with skype |
| 19:15.38 | JBdiGriz | brlcad: pongo |
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| 19:18.00 | donny_baker | KTL: http://bzflag.pastebin.ca |
| 19:18.13 | KTL | intelligence! |
| 19:20.14 | donny_baker | KTL: now all I need is skill ;) |
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| 19:32.56 | sussi | done |
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| 19:57.38 | battousai1373 | Hello again. This is Ted (GSoC)...just checking in to make sure I didn't miss any questions from the devs yesterday and see what's up while I'm here. I'll be around the apt and checking in periodically 'til around 3:00. Then, I'll be gone 'til midnight coding with my game team (we go gold next Friday.). |
| 20:00.29 | brlcad | battousai1373: ahh, hello |
| 20:02.04 | battousai1373 | hey brlcad |
| 20:03.14 | CBG | hola battousai1373 :) |
| 20:03.15 | battousai1373 | what's up, CBG? |
| 20:03.18 | CBG | not much :) |
| 20:03.31 | CBG | what's your 'project' for GSoC? |
| 20:04.09 | battousai1373 | Server-side DR, packet culling, predictive synch w/ cubic splines |
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| 20:05.01 | CBG | ah, probably one of the more beneficial, albeit less crowd-pleasing projects :) |
| 20:05.22 | battousai1373 | true |
| 20:05.31 | a_meteorite | battousai1373: That's great |
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| 20:05.41 | battousai1373 | predictive synch w/ cubic splines is pretty though. |
| 20:05.45 | a_meteorite | BZFlag could really use more anti-cheat capabilities. |
| 20:05.50 | battousai1373 | (if done correctly) |
| 20:06.45 | battousai1373 | yeah, I hope to add some :) |
| 20:07.15 | battousai1373 | Speaking of which, I hear we lost a slot, huh? |
| 20:07.34 | donny_baker | yep, down to 4 |
| 20:08.09 | battousai1373 | That's unfortunate...It does make my day more interesting though. |
| 20:10.49 | L4m3r | speaking of which, tomorrow they will have some :P |
| 20:11.05 | Manu | hi L4m3r |
| 20:11.14 | L4m3r | evening, Manu |
| 20:12.02 | SportChick | hiya L4m3r |
| 20:13.08 | gsnedders | but says evenin' anyway :) |
| 20:14.13 | Manu | long time no see gsnedders :) |
| 20:14.24 | gsnedders | I've been here almost everyday, silently :) |
| 20:14.56 | gsnedders | lots of emails on the HTML WG mailing list |
| 20:15.07 | donny_baker | ~tacklehug SportChick |
| 20:15.17 | ibot | ACTION gets a running start and tacklehugs SportChick |
| 20:15.17 | KTL | big hugparty |
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| 20:44.36 | brlcad | SportChick: I had sushi today too :P |
| 20:44.45 | brlcad | ahh, L4m3r arrives at last |
| 20:45.02 | JeffM2501 | donny_baker, thanks for the spelling fixes |
| 20:45.02 | L4m3r | good afternoon |
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| 21:18.35 | Birdie | what was the link to the builds from bzflag? (like 2.0.9c8 for example) |
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| 21:19.41 | Winny | Birdie: http://beta.bzflag.bz/builds/ |
| 21:20.00 | Birdie | gracias |
| 21:22.04 | JeffM2501 | Winny, you know the rules |
| 21:22.25 | Winny | I know :) |
| 21:23.04 | tannerld | warms? |
| 21:23.08 | tannerld | :P |
| 21:23.14 | TD-Linux | I never had much easter candy. hmm. |
| 21:23.16 | brlcad | ~bzflist |
| 21:23.32 | Winny | err, warns. |
| 21:23.32 | TD-Linux | now I'm in the mood for bzflag! |
| 21:23.42 | JBdiGriz | Kick him now, the adrenaline will knock off some of that sugar rush. |
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| 21:25.40 | *** topic/#bzflag by JeffM2501 -> http://BZFlag.org || http://cia.navi.cx/stats/project/BZFlag || http://my.BZFlag.org/wiki/index.php/Getting_Help || http://www.linuxjournal.com/article/9453 || http://ohloh.net/projects/189 || http://fisheye1.cenqua.com/browse/bzflag/bzflag || New WIKI! http://my.bzflag.org/w/ || Migrated from CVS to SVN: http://my.bzflag.org/w/BZFlag_SVN || GSoC 4 slots: final placement TBA 5PM PST |
| 21:29.17 | Daveman | hah |
| 21:29.22 | Daveman | cute |
| 21:33.28 | RatOmeter | is there any unavoidable reason that only a single instance of bzfs can be running? |
| 21:33.59 | Daveman | ? |
| 21:34.12 | RatOmeter | a single instance on a single computer |
| 21:34.24 | RatOmeter | Win32 |
| 21:34.34 | Winny | as in, it errors? |
| 21:34.54 | Winny | Ive been able to run ~3 servers at the same time fine... |
| 21:35.02 | RatOmeter | under windows? |
| 21:35.13 | Winny | Yes |
| 21:35.22 | Winny | Did you chage the port? :p |
| 21:36.05 | RatOmeter | yeah, one at 5154 and the next at 5155... try to run the second one and it complains that it couldn't start "perhaps there's another instance already running?" |
| 21:36.21 | RatOmeter | or some very similar message |
| 21:36.28 | Winny | Odd. |
| 21:37.21 | Winny | I only got that error when more then one server was trying to access one port |
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| 21:38.57 | RatOmeter | verbatim: "ERROR: Unable to start the server, perhaps one is already running?" That was from a test I did just now... one on port 5155 and the 2nd on port 5156 |
| 21:40.30 | RatOmeter | nevermind. dreaded brainfart again. I was changing the port in the wrong conf file for the 2nd instance :) |
| 21:40.46 | Winny | ;) |
| 21:41.01 | RatOmeter | right file, wrong directory |
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| 22:10.17 | brlcad | interesting.. http://www.cse.unsw.edu.au/db/thesis/topicinfo/KE03.html |
| 22:12.22 | Winny | ooh, I needed one of those |
| 22:13.01 | KTL | cool |
| 22:13.50 | CBG | Heh, I made something similar in photoshop before. |
| 22:14.05 | CBG | I've also used a spreadsheet to do a the same job. |
| 22:14.46 | CBG | s/ a / / |
| 22:15.07 | JeffM2501 | is there a standard for spreadsheet type data? |
| 22:15.37 | CBG | hmm? |
| 22:15.44 | TD-Linux | comma-separated list? |
| 22:16.01 | TD-Linux | a newline at the end of each row? |
| 22:16.18 | JeffM2501 | tho probably just just move it all to the SF task tracker |
| 22:16.47 | TD-Linux | brlcad: I printed off several of those sheets and doodled them during the state/federal tests last year in school :) |
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| 22:22.12 | KTL | sussi, i discovered that private chat does not work |
| 22:22.18 | KTL | for unregistered users |
| 22:22.32 | KTL | so i thought you had nothing of me |
| 22:22.34 | KTL | buttttt |
| 22:22.46 | KTL | i think i saw some of my sentences on the website |
| 22:22.54 | brlcad | it works, but the person you're talking to has to turn their filtering off |
| 22:23.04 | brlcad | by default it filters unidentified |
| 22:23.29 | brlcad | everyone should /msg nickserv set filtered off imho |
| 22:23.30 | KTL | how do i turn of filtering? |
| 22:24.05 | KTL | mmm my nick is taken by somebody else who is less worthy to carry my nick. |
| 22:24.13 | brlcad | er, bah .. /msg nickserv set unfiltered on |
| 22:24.32 | sussi | I used what i found under bzflag.pastebin.ca |
| 22:24.49 | KTL | (i don't have the password for that butttt it is allready of i think) |
| 22:27.38 | Winny | teapot fetish? :p |
| 22:28.43 | purple_cow | teapots are cool, because then you have tea |
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| 22:32.36 | brlcad | ~dict obsolence |
| 22:32.42 | brlcad | ~spell obsolence |
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| 22:33.40 | Daveman | :| |
| 22:35.07 | JeffM2501 | can anyone help me with some super grep guru? |
| 22:36.04 | Winny | I would if I knew what you were talking about :p |
| 22:36.31 | JeffM2501 | I need to get rid of all the newlines in a text file that are on lines that have other text |
| 22:37.00 | Daveman | hmm? |
| 22:37.09 | poolio | JeffM2501: sed would make it easier |
| 22:37.14 | Daveman | trailing or leading? |
| 22:37.18 | JeffM2501 | trailing |
| 22:37.25 | JeffM2501 | oh and I'm on windows :) |
| 22:37.29 | poolio | ahhhhhhh |
| 22:37.30 | Daveman | oh blah |
| 22:37.41 | JeffM2501 | needs to be done once, so I can send somone the file |
| 22:38.39 | JeffM2501 | Erroneous, can VC do fancy grepitude? |
| 22:38.54 | Erroneous | "fancy grepitude"? |
| 22:39.14 | JeffM2501 | I want to delete the newline if there is a real character before it. |
| 22:39.17 | Erroneous | it can do regex search and replace |
| 22:39.19 | Erroneous | so yeah |
| 22:39.20 | Daveman | s/^(.+)\n$/$1/g ? |
| 22:39.28 | JeffM2501 | got a sec? |
| 22:39.35 | Erroneous | sure |
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| 23:01.51 | JeffM2501 | anone got OpenOffice? |
| 23:01.51 | CIA-17 | BZFlag: 03JeffM2501 * r14019 10/trunk/bzflag/TODO.html: todo as an HTML table. |
| 23:02.15 | Winny | /ish/maybe/me checks |
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| 23:03.16 | Winny | Ugh, no, my USB drive with portable OO isn't here right now |
| 23:03.46 | JeffM2501 | ok |
| 23:04.04 | Winny | Ill try to find it, brb |
| 23:07.24 | CIA-17 | BZFlag: 03JeffM2501 * r14020 10/trunk/bzflag/TODO.html: cleanups and rewording. |
| 23:07.51 | JeffM2501 | is that a better format for the todo then the flat text one? |
| 23:08.13 | Erroneous | no |
| 23:08.17 | JeffM2501 | ok |
| 23:08.24 | JeffM2501 | is there any other format better then the text one? |
| 23:08.54 | Erroneous | prolly not :) |
| 23:09.03 | Erroneous | but that's just my opinion |
| 23:09.09 | JeffM2501 | what don't you like about it? |
| 23:09.46 | CBG | I can't see why this format would be unpopular. Does someone dev on a system with no browser? |
| 23:10.00 | Erroneous | yes |
| 23:10.03 | JeffM2501 | API docs are HTML as well :) |
| 23:10.35 | Erroneous | html is not the be-all end-all |
| 23:10.40 | JeffM2501 | no it's not |
| 23:10.41 | The_Vaxorcist | Seems fine to me |
| 23:10.46 | CBG | neither is txt :P |
| 23:10.53 | Erroneous | especially office's mutilated html |
| 23:11.12 | JeffM2501 | well yeah, I know the guts is nasty, I just mean in general |
| 23:11.13 | Erroneous | seriously our todo should not be 106kb |
| 23:11.16 | JeffM2501 | heh |
| 23:11.22 | JeffM2501 | it's 75k on mine |
| 23:11.40 | JeffM2501 | that's why I wanted to see it in OO |
| 23:11.50 | Erroneous | I just checked it out |
| 23:11.57 | Erroneous | haven't looked in oo |
| 23:11.57 | JeffM2501 | wonder how much I can pull and still have excell edit it |
| 23:12.03 | CBG | 108KB here!!! OMG |
| 23:12.15 | JeffM2501 | 76,367 bytes |
| 23:12.26 | Erroneous | it's this crap: <td height=51 class=xl37 style='height:38.25pt;border-top:none' x:num>3</td> |
| 23:12.38 | Erroneous | all that to say 3. |
| 23:12.41 | JeffM2501 | ok, if the HTML was cleaned up |
| 23:12.47 | JeffM2501 | what about that fomrat |
| 23:12.49 | JBdiGriz | JeffM2501: I like /** @todo <Item> |
| 23:12.55 | CBG | Erroneous: that's a whole table cell |
| 23:12.58 | Erroneous | what exactly is wrong with text anyway? |
| 23:13.07 | CBG | with size, colour, etc. |
| 23:13.15 | JeffM2501 | harder to sort and add other items to it |
| 23:13.15 | Erroneous | it's simple, small, universal |
| 23:13.16 | JeffM2501 | like name |
| 23:13.24 | JeffM2501 | let me work with it then |
| 23:13.28 | Erroneous | doesn't have all those unnecessary other items :) |
| 23:13.36 | Erroneous | if we're gonna add all that junk, keep it in a database |
| 23:13.45 | Erroneous | like, oh, I dunno, the sf tracker system |
| 23:13.48 | JeffM2501 | that is my other option |
| 23:13.56 | JBdiGriz | That one also allows you to put the todos and the information next to the likely place for the changes. It's known as doxygen. |
| 23:13.57 | JeffM2501 | and hence why this was a test |
| 23:14.02 | Erroneous | todo is there because it's easy and fast to update |
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| 23:14.10 | Erroneous | open a text file and add a line |
| 23:14.35 | JeffM2501 | you'll notice I didn't delete the old todo |
| 23:14.47 | Erroneous | right, so then they get out of sync |
| 23:14.58 | CIA-17 | BZFlag: 03JeffM2501 * r14021 10/trunk/bzflag/TODO.html: go away html todo, it's not you time. |
| 23:15.05 | JeffM2501 | well if you liked it, I'd have removed the text |
| 23:15.26 | JeffM2501 | wonder if we can do a mass import/export to the SF stuff |
| 23:16.10 | JeffM2501 | mostly I am looking for a place to put down where somone has said "yah I'll try to get to that" |
| 23:16.46 | Erroneous | tracker is the right place for that, assign it to the dev who said that |
| 23:17.20 | JeffM2501 | should we keep them all in tracker then too? |
| 23:17.29 | JeffM2501 | or just ones that are accepted? |
| 23:17.37 | Erroneous | that would be ok with me |
| 23:17.43 | JeffM2501 | keeping them all in there |
| 23:17.44 | Erroneous | accepted? |
| 23:17.56 | JeffM2501 | to me accepted is somone said they'd do it |
| 23:18.00 | Erroneous | ah |
| 23:18.06 | Erroneous | like assigned, but not |
| 23:18.06 | JeffM2501 | cus it's not assigned |
| 23:18.10 | Erroneous | heh |
| 23:18.29 | JeffM2501 | I'm tryin to get nice words for it here that won't freak people out :) |
| 23:18.34 | Erroneous | hehe |
| 23:18.50 | JeffM2501 | tryin to make the most of our current planing kick ya know |
| 23:18.55 | Erroneous | heh |
| 23:19.03 | The_Vaxorcist | sheesh |
| 23:19.21 | JeffM2501 | if they were all in SF, would you want a local todo? or just say "go to this URL"? |
| 23:20.13 | Erroneous | personally I would have no problem with killing the local todo if everything was entered correctly as a bug or rfe. some people (like, oh, Fearless) would probably have a prolem with that though. |
| 23:20.52 | JeffM2501 | TimRiker, do you prefer a flat file todo? or having it all on SF in a tracker? |
| 23:21.16 | Erroneous | yes, things can be retrackerized (woohoo, new word) |
| 23:21.47 | JeffM2501 | hmm, may be nice then to have a bug tracker and a RFE tracker, then move them to a todo tracker when we look at them and say "yeah lets do that" |
| 23:21.55 | JeffM2501 | then devs can pull from the todo one |
| 23:22.28 | Erroneous | could use priority tags for that |
| 23:22.57 | Erroneous | and, of course, the closed/rejected status :) |
| 23:23.14 | JeffM2501 | can we add statuses? |
| 23:23.19 | JeffM2501 | stati? |
| 23:23.19 | TimRiker | JeffM2501: don't care. one or the other but not both. I guess I tend to put real TODO's in the file and let users add wish list things to the tracker. |
| 23:23.46 | JeffM2501 | TimRiker, so do you like there being a seperate User entry section for stuff, then one that is more "approved"? |
| 23:24.37 | TimRiker | don't care much. need to be able to mark them somehow. but a priority or whatever it offers would work. |
| 23:24.42 | JeffM2501 | ok |
| 23:25.05 | JeffM2501 | if they dont' have an import method it's suck to have to enter 111 items by hand |
| 23:26.25 | TimRiker | so is there an approved list for gsoc? I still see the unlikely bar on the web, but not a "approved" bit. |
| 23:26.52 | JeffM2501 | that happens in 34 min |
| 23:27.04 | JeffM2501 | we have till 5 to shuffle |
| 23:27.08 | JeffM2501 | we are done shuffling |
| 23:27.17 | JeffM2501 | there is a small small posibility we'll get another slot |
| 23:28.41 | Winny | jeff, if you still care, I found it :p |
| 23:28.48 | JeffM2501 | it's ok Winny |
| 23:28.53 | JeffM2501 | thanks for trying tho |
| 23:29.26 | Winny | k |
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| 23:29.53 | TimRiker | so the "likely" line has 4 above it. |
| 23:29.58 | JeffM2501 | yes |
| 23:30.02 | JeffM2501 | we lost a slot yesterday |
| 23:30.07 | TimRiker | does that mean we're really only getting 4 approved? |
| 23:30.14 | JeffM2501 | yes |
| 23:30.17 | JeffM2501 | as it sits not |
| 23:30.18 | JeffM2501 | now |
| 23:30.23 | JeffM2501 | we got more then GCC :) |
| 23:30.33 | TimRiker | clearly google does not put the focus on gaming that they need too. |
| 23:30.55 | JeffM2501 | actualy, they specificly say NO GAMES |
| 23:31.03 | JeffM2501 | we got in due to our achedemic use |
| 23:31.21 | JeffM2501 | and we are a first year project |
| 23:31.28 | JeffM2501 | so we are lower priority |
| 23:31.39 | TimRiker | ah. cool! didn't know that part. |
| 23:31.56 | JeffM2501 | if we do well this year, then we'll be able to get more next year |
| 23:31.56 | TimRiker | so we are a "AI development laboratory environment" ? :) |
| 23:32.02 | JeffM2501 | yeah kinda |
| 23:33.09 | JeffM2501 | mostly I tink they don't want to deal with every kiddie quake mod out there |
| 23:33.41 | TimRiker | how do you know how many gcc got? |
| 23:34.42 | JeffM2501 | 2 |
| 23:34.46 | JeffM2501 | last list I saw |
| 23:35.03 | TimRiker | where was the list? |
| 23:35.15 | JeffM2501 | on the mailing list |
| 23:35.19 | JeffM2501 | brlcad sent me a copy |
| 23:35.51 | JeffM2501 | they do skew tward web apps |
| 23:35.59 | JeffM2501 | drupal got like 25 |
| 23:36.04 | JeffM2501 | it is there money tho |
| 23:36.58 | purple_cow | that doesn't really surprise me |
| 23:37.04 | Erroneous | yeah, it makes sense for them to support things that help them more |
| 23:37.08 | JeffM2501 | indeed |
| 23:37.08 | purple_cow | SoC is a big recruiting venture for them :P |
| 23:38.40 | JeffM2501 | 4 will be a nice number for us to ensure we manage |
| 23:38.58 | JeffM2501 | if we can do that realy good, then we can do more next year, that's how I see it |
| 23:39.48 | JeffM2501 | we are 1 of only 2 games to get in |
| 23:39.49 | TimRiker | anyone that pays for bzflag development at any scale gets my thanx. |
| 23:40.00 | JeffM2501 | indeed |
| 23:40.08 | TimRiker | 2? you counting crystal space? or is there another actual game? |
| 23:40.10 | JeffM2501 | and it's made us evaluate what we need done, another good thing for us |
| 23:40.16 | TimRiker | agreed |
| 23:40.20 | JeffM2501 | there is another game system that has a smaple game |
| 23:40.26 | JeffM2501 | CS is used for non game stuff too |
| 23:40.35 | TimRiker | ahh |
| 23:41.05 | JeffM2501 | ogre got some slots too |
| 23:44.26 | JeffM2501 | hmm, can't add a new status on SF |
| 23:44.35 | JeffM2501 | type may be the best thing to do |
| 23:45.31 | JeffM2501 | cus I don't want to change the group, or the category |
| 23:48.52 | JeffM2501 | hmm they don't have a tracker permision to let it be viewable by anyone, but only let project members post to it :( |
| 23:49.10 | JeffM2501 | purple_cow, does google's systems suck less? |
| 23:49.25 | purple_cow | it sucks marginally less than SF |
| 23:49.33 | purple_cow | the thing that I like most about it is the labels system |
| 23:50.37 | *** join/#bzflag Tropican8 (i=user@c-69-137-19-228.hsd1.pa.comcast.net) |
| 23:51.44 | *** join/#bzflag randomparticle (n=randompa@88-104-227-64.dynamic.dsl.as9105.com) |
| 23:52.04 | randomparticle | hi |
| 23:52.20 | randomparticle | someone has just been on the pillbox server advertising a cheat site |
| 23:52.20 | JeffM2501 | if I could add a status, that'd do it, or if I could make a tracker that is dev only to edit. |
| 23:52.38 | randomparticle | bzflagcheat.blogspot.com |
| 23:52.39 | JeffM2501 | the admin there take care of em? |
| 23:52.43 | randomparticle | yeah |
| 23:52.46 | JeffM2501 | good |
| 23:52.51 | randomparticle | but that blog thing.. sounds familiar |
| 23:52.55 | JeffM2501 | it is |
| 23:53.05 | randomparticle | almost like an incident from a year ago |
| 23:53.16 | JeffM2501 | it is |
| 23:53.18 | randomparticle | Molez? |
| 23:53.22 | JeffM2501 | probably not |
| 23:53.39 | JeffM2501 | probably just someone trying to be "cute" |
| 23:54.50 | *** join/#bzflag spldart (n=troublem@cpe-24-28-107-184.houston.res.rr.com) |
| 23:54.52 | brlcad | woo, interesting dev mail |
| 23:56.04 | brlcad | TimRiker: gcc only asked for four, some issue with mentors -- they could have gotten more according to comments made on google channel |
| 23:56.40 | CBG | randomparticle: what pillbox server? hepcat? |
| 23:56.47 | randomparticle | yes |
| 23:56.57 | randomparticle | "Lickler" was the callsign |
| 23:57.12 | CBG | k, just checking it wasn't MY pillbox server :) |
| 23:57.14 | purple_cow | graagh |
| 23:57.16 | purple_cow | @*&$#^!(@*&% linux distributions |
| 23:58.07 | JeffM2501 | guess I'll just add a todo tracker, then auto asign new items to somethign we can track so we can keep it clean manaual |
| 23:59.22 | brlcad | four or two .. whatever they had |
| 23:59.46 | JeffM2501 | I assume we didn't get that 1% chance? |
| 23:59.47 | brlcad | JeffM2501: technically, that's what the tasker is for |