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| 00:11.11 | spldart | man el zapato isn't very kewl |
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| 02:09.35 | spldart | OMG... 'Jethroe the Pirate is a great tank name! And he was on MY server!.... Did I mention it's quiet |
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| 02:19.49 | ep | (Ubuntu/Nvidia) After weeks, Bzflag quit running on this box. Bails out with some message about failed request 134 (XFree86 Vid mode extension). I can paste it. glxgears still works. Any ideas? |
| 02:20.13 | JeffM2501 | did you apply any updates to X? |
| 02:20.19 | ep | nope |
| 02:20.20 | JeffM2501 | or your kernel? |
| 02:20.24 | JeffM2501 | or anything? |
| 02:20.33 | ep | nope, i didn't do nothing, honest :) |
| 02:20.52 | JeffM2501 | simplest is have the package manager reconfig the current drivers |
| 02:21.04 | ep | i'll try that |
| 02:21.17 | JeffM2501 | code don't change itself :) |
| 02:38.39 | blast007 | ep: does it launch with 'bzflag -window' ? |
| 02:48.31 | ep | now but I bet it will, I've been thinking about this , and the last time i shut bzflag down when it was minimized |
| 02:48.43 | ep | i'll try |
| 02:49.07 | ep | yeah that worked :-) |
| 02:51.23 | blast007 | k |
| 02:51.38 | blast007 | that error means that it couldn't change the resolution of the desktop |
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| 03:16.02 | dabicho | hi. anyone knows if there is a current cvs build for windows? |
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| 03:28.12 | the_j0k3r | wow, lots of people here. anyone willing to give me a bit of a tutorial on using groupdb? i find it confusing and scary :( |
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| 03:29.29 | the_j0k3r | is anyone actually here? |
| 03:29.42 | the_j0k3r | or is it that i cant hear anyone :( |
| 03:29.49 | tadd | am here |
| 03:30.39 | the_j0k3r | hi :P just a quick question, if in my groupdb file i just have one line say, ADMIN: +BAN, how do i assign people to that group? |
| 03:30.56 | tadd | hmm... two ways |
| 03:31.19 | tadd | you can also create a userdb file and then assign people to it locally. more on that in a second |
| 03:31.46 | tadd | the other way is to go to the bzflag.org/bb and request a private group. Then put the name of that group in your groupdb file |
| 03:32.44 | the_j0k3r | ok, so if i just use a local userdb file, does that give me the ability to make it so that just when people sign in they have certain priveleges etc. without typing any admin passwrd? |
| 03:32.53 | tadd | i'm trying to remember how to assign somebody to a local group |
| 03:33.01 | tadd | yes. that is what it would do |
| 03:33.06 | tadd | both systems would work that way |
| 03:33.25 | the_j0k3r | on a practice server, i tried to use /setgroup me ADMIN, and it said player me is not listed... |
| 03:33.54 | tadd | yeah. setgroup is it. you have to have the line -userdb filename as well to store the user setgroups you have done |
| 03:35.01 | the_j0k3r | i have that also, it still didnt work. my name was "00", and i did "/setgroup 00 ADMIN" and it came back and said "player 00 not listed" |
| 03:35.32 | tadd | hmm.. you could try it by player number as well |
| 03:35.47 | tadd | if you are 'admin' on your server, then you should see the player number on the display |
| 03:35.50 | the_j0k3r | i did, i tried /setgroup #0 ADMIN and it didnt work :( |
| 03:35.56 | tadd | same error? |
| 03:35.59 | the_j0k3r | yes |
| 03:36.05 | the_j0k3r | player #0 not listed |
| 03:37.07 | the_j0k3r | is it to do with a need to use the /identify or /register command or something (both of which return /command is disabled on the server) |
| 03:37.23 | tadd | no |
| 03:37.40 | tadd | though the user name might have to be registered in the bzflag.org/bb not sure |
| 03:37.52 | tadd | perhaps you could make it work standalone if you had /register working |
| 03:38.19 | tadd | perhaps you could make it work if you had register working |
| 03:38.30 | tadd | there are many things in this system that I haven't had to try because i chose a different method |
| 03:39.15 | tadd | so try it with your registered user name? Or would that defeat the purpose? |
| 03:40.09 | the_j0k3r | well i'm trying to get this working on a private server, so yes :( |
| 03:41.12 | tadd | ok. have you tried -passdb ? |
| 03:42.04 | a_meteorite | the_j0k3r: you can have a global login server but not advertise on the list |
| 03:42.17 | a_meteorite | then just get global groups and add them on the bzbb |
| 03:42.59 | a_meteorite | ...and off I go for darn dishes :) |
| 03:43.27 | the_j0k3r | how do i use -passdb? |
| 03:43.40 | tadd | same as userdb. Just assign it a filename in your conf file |
| 03:43.52 | the_j0k3r | and what will that actually do for me? |
| 03:43.55 | tadd | now it will store passwords locally if you use register |
| 03:43.58 | tadd | i think |
| 03:44.16 | the_j0k3r | i see. will that automatically enable the /register and /identify commands? |
| 03:44.32 | tadd | i don't know. It sounds reasonable that it would. |
| 03:45.28 | the_j0k3r | ok, trying that now. |
| 03:47.49 | the_j0k3r | thanks for your help, that works now. but i had to /register then /identify first, does this mean that everyone on my server must do that do play? |
| 03:49.37 | the_j0k3r | or does it mean that to become an admin if you are in the admin group, you must identify, which defeats the purpose of not having an admin password? :P |
| 03:49.51 | tadd | I think that if they don't register then they aren't registered |
| 03:49.57 | tadd | I don't know. |
| 03:50.09 | tadd | I use the global system. |
| 03:50.20 | the_j0k3r | well i guess it still has advantages. for instance, someone can be made antiban etc... |
| 03:52.14 | a_meteorite | the_j0k3r: so can global |
| 03:52.32 | tadd | global gives you issues when dealing with half a dozen 6 year olds |
| 03:52.58 | a_meteorite | you would need a /password to /setgroup or /removegroup or be in a group that allows the setgroup (iirc) perm |
| 03:53.02 | a_meteorite | tadd: true |
| 03:53.05 | the_j0k3r | yeah. how do you use global, for example what changes do you make to your groupdb and userdb file when you have a global thingy |
| 03:53.13 | a_meteorite | just change it to the global group name |
| 03:53.29 | a_meteorite | so if you request j0k3r.admin, change the line in groupdb to that |
| 03:53.32 | a_meteorite | and you don't need a userdb |
| 03:53.45 | the_j0k3r | yes, but if you were to use /password, set the groups, then get rid of /password, would that still work? |
| 03:53.52 | a_meteorite | *need*, you can use one but it *can* cause problems with globals |
| 03:54.05 | a_meteorite | if you identify |
| 03:54.19 | a_meteorite | and you're set to a group that can do everything you need (+ALL) |
| 03:55.15 | the_j0k3r | so if i requested j0k3r.admin, and they made it how do i define who is in that group? |
| 03:55.47 | a_meteorite | they need to be globally regged, add them at the bzbb |
| 03:56.00 | a_meteorite | there's a usergroups tab and you can add you can add people to that group |
| 03:56.32 | a_meteorite | technically one could be in a global group and not be globally regged with a userdb, but then it's not really "global" |
| 03:56.49 | the_j0k3r | ah i c. ok next/last question. what is best/easiest for a server that is public and on the listserver, global or local? |
| 03:57.02 | a_meteorite | global |
| 03:57.03 | a_meteorite | all the way |
| 03:58.23 | the_j0k3r | ok. if the global group is made, and i go to j0k3r.admin and select view information, in that tab is that where i can just punch in the usernames of people? |
| 03:58.32 | a_meteorite | yup |
| 03:58.43 | the_j0k3r | ok cool, thanx for your help |
| 03:59.14 | the_j0k3r | i just went to usergroups, and discovered im in plosileauge and didnt know it :P |
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| 03:59.24 | a_meteorite | cause you regged there |
| 03:59.30 | a_meteorite | so I add you to the spawn group |
| 03:59.41 | a_meteorite | except plosileague has been defunct for awhile |
| 03:59.49 | a_meteorite | since I moved over I didn't move the servers |
| 03:59.56 | a_meteorite | I *can*, but I *haven't* :) |
| 04:00.11 | the_j0k3r | :P |
| 04:01.58 | the_j0k3r | so if they make the group random.admin, i just make my groupdb file something like "random.admin: +all" and then put my name into the usergroups on bb, and then whenever i logon ill have those perms? |
| 04:02.16 | the_j0k3r | and will i have to do anything like /identify? or will it just recognise it straight away. |
| 04:02.35 | a_meteorite | it'll recognize it straight away |
| 04:03.02 | a_meteorite | /register and /identify are highly discouraged in the new global age and with the problems it has |
| 04:03.15 | a_meteorite | for a global server, for a private server it works "okay" |
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| 04:03.51 | the_j0k3r | i c. |
| 04:06.42 | a_meteorite | time to eat... |
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| 04:55.39 | codergeek42 | What happened earlier? BZFX was *completely* empty. o_O |
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| 05:07.23 | biggeruniverse | I owe you all a patch |
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| 06:25.05 | biggeruniverse | Flash |
| 06:25.11 | biggeruniverse | aaaAAA |
| 06:29.22 | Flash | what |
| 06:34.12 | biggeruniverse | ok, I have uploaded a new patch for per-tank gravity that supercedes the others. |
| 06:34.37 | biggeruniverse | I missed the possibility of server messages to update gravity |
| 06:39.42 | Flash | uploaded where? |
| 06:42.36 | blast007 | sf.net |
| 06:43.05 | Flash | biggeruniverse: do you want me to do something? |
| 06:43.27 | biggeruniverse | no, you just remind me of the song everytime I see you |
| 06:45.28 | Flash | I hope you like the song |
| 06:45.38 | biggeruniverse | no, but it makes me giggle |
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| 06:49.17 | biggeruniverse | sorry for all the confusion |
| 06:50.03 | biggeruniverse | I happened to be testing (with Flash, as luck would have it) and noticed that my patch didn't account for a /set change in gravity on the server |
| 06:50.14 | biggeruniverse | (oops) |
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| 09:24.24 | quantumdot | brlcad or JeffMmini ping plz :) |
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| 09:42.32 | treadbaron | good morn peeps |
| 09:43.01 | treadbaron | ne1 alive to answer a few Qs |
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| 09:45.25 | treadbaron2 | hmmm what is still loading??? |
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| 10:06.29 | treadbaron3 | wth is going on? |
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| 10:07.29 | Manu | patience is a virtue |
| 10:07.54 | treadbaron3 | plz tell me why i got disconnected if u know |
| 10:08.13 | Manu | from the chat? |
| 10:08.25 | treadbaron3 | yep |
| 10:08.32 | Manu | use a true irc client ;) |
| 10:08.41 | treadbaron3 | ah i c |
| 10:08.58 | Manu | probably there is a problem with the cgi chat |
| 10:09.14 | treadbaron3 | manu basically what i want to know is if bz is already p2p? |
| 10:09.29 | treadbaron3 | does it use it? |
| 10:09.38 | Manu | I guess no |
| 10:10.00 | Manu | p2p for what, to download the bzflag program? |
| 10:10.13 | treadbaron3 | then what do u think the possibilities are to set it up so that it is? |
| 10:10.24 | treadbaron3 | nno for the interaction |
| 10:10.36 | treadbaron3 | to transfer the data real time |
| 10:10.50 | Manu | you mean in bzflag (the game)? |
| 10:10.55 | treadbaron3 | yep |
| 10:11.10 | Manu | bzflag has it's own protocol to do it |
| 10:11.16 | Manu | is not p2p |
| 10:11.28 | treadbaron3 | right but is it as efficient as p2p? |
| 10:11.36 | Manu | better |
| 10:11.45 | treadbaron3 | what would it take to adapt it? |
| 10:11.49 | Manu | p2p is not good for realtime games probably |
| 10:11.52 | treadbaron3 | y better? |
| 10:12.18 | Manu | old bzflag versions send info from client to client iirc |
| 10:12.27 | treadbaron3 | er ever heard of croquet? |
| 10:12.27 | Manu | but this was changed in newer versions |
| 10:12.43 | Manu | yes |
| 10:13.08 | treadbaron3 | so if any number of people can interact in 3d there why not have a bz version? |
| 10:13.42 | Manu | it's different |
| 10:13.49 | treadbaron3 | how? |
| 10:14.15 | Manu | dunno if we are talking about the same croquet thingy |
| 10:14.22 | Manu | you mean opencroquet? |
| 10:14.25 | treadbaron3 | written in small talk |
| 10:14.30 | treadbaron3 | yeah |
| 10:14.54 | Manu | it used for the desktop mainly, not for a realtime game |
| 10:14.55 | treadbaron3 | it is p2p |
| 10:15.08 | Manu | yes |
| 10:15.14 | treadbaron3 | huh? no it is used for interactivity |
| 10:15.16 | Manu | but 1 second lag in croquet is not important |
| 10:15.22 | Manu | but in bzflag is very bad |
| 10:15.27 | treadbaron3 | sure it is |
| 10:15.40 | treadbaron3 | ok |
| 10:15.52 | treadbaron3 | so bz protocol is well developed |
| 10:16.03 | Manu | is not bad at all ;) |
| 10:16.14 | Manu | but can be better, of course :) |
| 10:16.29 | Manu | things are changing, slowly but changing |
| 10:16.50 | treadbaron3 | what possibilities exist to make bz more interactive and to allow more players on |
| 10:16.54 | Manu | also in p2p you know other's ip |
| 10:16.59 | Manu | and that's not very good |
| 10:17.04 | treadbaron3 | why? |
| 10:17.15 | Manu | if I know your ip I can to attack you ;) |
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| 10:17.26 | treadbaron3 | attack me? |
| 10:17.42 | Manu | yes, attack your computer I mean |
| 10:17.45 | treadbaron3 | dos u mean? |
| 10:17.56 | treadbaron3 | i c |
| 10:17.59 | Manu | not only DoS |
| 10:18.08 | Manu | I can try to get access to your computer ;) |
| 10:18.23 | Manu | to gain I mean |
| 10:18.51 | treadbaron3 | what i guess i want to know is if u wanted to make bz more like croquet could u do it? I mean make shapes move stuff around etc |
| 10:18.54 | Manu | also lag between clients makes thing bad for a real time fame |
| 10:19.06 | Manu | real time game* |
| 10:19.51 | Manu | well, as I said older versions used client to client transfer |
| 10:19.55 | Manu | and it was bad |
| 10:20.03 | Manu | very older versions.. IIFC |
| 10:20.06 | Manu | IIRC |
| 10:20.14 | treadbaron3 | right so if u used only newer? |
| 10:20.27 | treadbaron3 | what i guess i want to know is if u wanted to make bz more like croquet could u do it? I mean make shapes move stuff around etc |
| 10:20.30 | Manu | it was years ago |
| 10:20.49 | Manu | I have not so free time for that big work |
| 10:20.53 | quantumdot | manu, many many years ago ;) |
| 10:21.05 | Manu | quantumdot: yes, remember I'm old ;) |
| 10:21.08 | treadbaron3 | nno im not asking for u to do it only if it is possible |
| 10:21.20 | Manu | everything is possible |
| 10:21.27 | Manu | if somebody does it |
| 10:21.31 | treadbaron3 | an old persons saying :) |
| 10:21.41 | Manu | :) |
| 10:22.02 | Manu | quantumdot: BTW, buenos dÃas :) |
| 10:22.14 | quantumdot | manu do you have bzbb access to change privs on a forum? |
| 10:22.20 | treadbaron3 | i want to get an idea of ease of adaptation and if someone else had this thought? |
| 10:22.32 | Manu | quantumdot: no, only a few devs can |
| 10:22.38 | quantumdot | arg |
| 10:22.47 | quantumdot | brlcad: ping 2 |
| 10:23.32 | treadbaron3 | manu? |
| 10:23.38 | quantumdot | manu do you see the subforum "gu admin" as private? or public |
| 10:23.47 | Manu | wait |
| 10:23.59 | treadbaron3 | k |
| 10:24.12 | Manu | it's private |
| 10:24.18 | quantumdot | really? oh |
| 10:24.30 | quantumdot | one can really tell as a user |
| 10:24.35 | Manu | because I don't see it ;) |
| 10:25.01 | quantumdot | it is under server leagues discussions |
| 10:25.01 | Manu | I see Ducati admins.. but I'm in the groups |
| 10:25.10 | Manu | yesk, I know |
| 10:25.13 | quantumdot | aha |
| 10:25.29 | Manu | I say I see ducati but not GU |
| 10:25.41 | quantumdot | aha ok |
| 10:25.45 | quantumdot | gracias |
| 10:25.47 | Manu | probably is restricted to GU-admins ;) |
| 10:25.52 | Manu | de nada :) |
| 10:26.02 | Manu | y porqué estamos hablando en inglés quantumdot ? ;) |
| 10:26.12 | quantumdot | queria saberlo antes de decir alguna burrada pensando que era "privado" |
| 10:26.21 | Manu | jeje |
| 10:26.22 | quantumdot | para que brlcad lo entendiera |
| 10:26.30 | Pommes | porque quiero entender lo ... |
| 10:26.37 | Manu | olala |
| 10:26.37 | quantumdot | arg Pommes |
| 10:26.44 | quantumdot | ca va Pommes |
| 10:27.03 | Pommes | ;-) |
| 10:27.08 | Pommes | no secrets |
| 10:27.24 | Manu | :) |
| 10:27.44 | treadbaron3 | so manu |
| 10:27.51 | treadbaron3 | i want to get an idea of ease of adaptation and if someone else had this thought? |
| 10:28.18 | Manu | well I don't think it's a good idea, but dunno if others will agree |
| 10:29.02 | treadbaron3 | im not really asking if its a good isea, i just want to know if it would be easy or difficult? |
| 10:29.21 | Manu | more than difficult, is a big work |
| 10:29.52 | Manu | nothing is difficult if you know how to do it. Simply it's a big work and requires much time |
| 10:30.11 | treadbaron3 | hardest part? if one can already manipulate objs in 3d space then what diff does it make which objs? |
| 10:30.14 | Manu | for bzflag you must change all |
| 10:31.13 | Manu | treadbaron3: if you take a look to the bzfs and bzflag code you'll see what I say ;) |
| 10:31.26 | treadbaron3 | who should i talk to about this? who would know the most? |
| 10:31.30 | Manu | is not only to manipulate 3D objects |
| 10:32.07 | treadbaron3 | ok, what more? |
| 10:32.33 | Manu | the game protocol |
| 10:32.40 | Manu | the user interface.. |
| 10:33.22 | treadbaron3 | yes but I am less interested in the game protocal, im trying to think outside the box |
| 10:33.50 | treadbaron3 | what else could bz b used for as interactive communiation |
| 10:34.07 | Manu | yes but if you want bzflag to work like crocket you must change everything |
| 10:34.24 | treadbaron3 | what protocal does bz use for interaction? |
| 10:34.29 | Manu | for communication bzflag uses its own protocol |
| 10:34.44 | treadbaron3 | not ea=xactly like croquet but perhaps some elements |
| 10:35.01 | treadbaron3 | does it have a name? |
| 10:35.16 | Manu | for interaction I guess there isn't exactly a protocol :) |
| 10:35.30 | treadbaron3 | is it easy to identify in the code? |
| 10:35.34 | Manu | simply events managed..if you press a kew something is fired |
| 10:35.45 | Manu | if you know c++ yes, it is |
| 10:36.08 | Manu | s/kew/key/g |
| 10:36.36 | treadbaron3 | but u have to be able to see ur opponent move in real time. There is almost always an event |
| 10:36.36 | Manu | my fingers are frozen :/ |
| 10:36.48 | treadbaron3 | bummer y? |
| 10:37.19 | Manu | cold.. :( |
| 10:37.28 | treadbaron3 | whom should i approach with this? ne1 u know who has looked into it? |
| 10:37.46 | treadbaron3 | cold, where are u? |
| 10:37.51 | Manu | Spain |
| 10:38.00 | Manu | but it's clod now :S |
| 10:38.00 | treadbaron3 | aha no heaters |
| 10:38.23 | Manu | treadbaron3: you can talk any dev here ;) |
| 10:38.42 | Manu | probably brlcad or JeffM, they are more actives |
| 10:39.02 | treadbaron3 | but u dont know anyone who specializes in outside the bos possibilities? |
| 10:39.15 | treadbaron3 | box |
| 10:39.47 | Manu | dunno |
| 10:39.51 | treadbaron3 | k |
| 10:40.23 | Manu | nobody here is specialized in nothing ;) |
| 10:40.28 | treadbaron3 | i just think that if bz could be used in other ways it would b amazing |
| 10:40.29 | Manu | for bzflag I mean |
| 10:40.52 | Manu | who knows k |
| 10:41.08 | treadbaron3 | ill bet there is a part of bz that could benefit from p2p |
| 10:41.45 | Manu | you can add p2p to share files while playing bzflag, k |
| 10:42.00 | treadbaron3 | i mean what % of upload resources does bz use? |
| 10:42.28 | Manu | it depends of the number of players, moves... |
| 10:42.47 | Manu | the number of packets is not constant |
| 10:42.57 | Manu | it's dynamic |
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| 10:44.27 | treadbaron3 | but compared to dl there is probably something that can be said about upload? |
| 10:44.27 | treadbaron3 | a percentage etc? |
| 10:46.25 | Manu | is not constant, you can check it |
| 10:46.48 | Manu | is not the same to play in a 1vs1 server than in a server with 20 players |
| 10:46.54 | treadbaron3 | sure but does it tend to be much smaller than dl? |
| 10:47.08 | treadbaron3 | sure assume 20 players |
| 10:47.11 | Manu | upload is smaller, of course |
| 10:47.20 | Manu | you only send your own messages |
| 10:47.26 | Manu | when you move, jump, fire... |
| 10:47.39 | Manu | the server sends to you other players messages |
| 10:48.03 | Manu | download is higher than upload with a big diff |
| 10:48.05 | treadbaron3 | ah ok |
| 10:48.21 | Manu | with p2p upload is big too ; |
| 10:48.23 | Manu | ;) |
| 10:48.31 | treadbaron3 | so if u could pass more via upload u mght be able to get some gain? |
| 10:48.43 | Manu | I guess no |
| 10:48.50 | treadbaron3 | y not? |
| 10:48.54 | Manu | now you only send the info to the server |
| 10:49.03 | Manu | and then the server resend to the other clients |
| 10:49.11 | Manu | with p2p you must send to all the clients |
| 10:49.15 | treadbaron3 | right but in p2p u could send to all |
| 10:49.27 | Manu | then you wastes bandwith |
| 10:49.34 | Manu | you need a big upload |
| 10:49.48 | treadbaron3 | exactly there should be some speed gain possible |
| 10:50.04 | Manu | not always, becuse the lag is not constant |
| 10:50.07 | treadbaron3 | small waste of bandwidth to get giant speed gains |
| 10:50.30 | treadbaron3 | speed=efficiency of info transfer |
| 10:50.44 | Manu | yes, but not all the clients speed is the same ;) |
| 10:50.57 | treadbaron3 | doesnt really matter in p2p |
| 10:50.58 | Manu | for a real time game I mean |
| 10:51.11 | Manu | no, to share a desktop is not very important |
| 10:51.19 | treadbaron3 | the reason i ask all this is cuz i am already involved w p2p streaming |
| 10:51.33 | Manu | yes, I guessed it ;) |
| 10:51.49 | treadbaron3 | and im trying to figure out where the advantages for bz might lie |
| 10:51.55 | treadbaron3 | hehe |
| 10:52.11 | Manu | for example irc, is not p2p, it uses a server like bzflag does |
| 10:52.39 | treadbaron3 | right my goal is to reduce the emphasis on the erver as being a weak link |
| 10:52.52 | Manu | but servers are for something ;) |
| 10:53.07 | treadbaron3 | much more efficient to rely on many peers |
| 10:53.30 | treadbaron3 | sure but p2p is better distribution |
| 10:53.45 | Manu | yes, and a big work for the client too |
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| 10:54.04 | treadbaron3 | bigger? how so? |
| 10:54.16 | Manu | you need high upload |
| 10:54.27 | treadbaron3 | nah |
| 10:54.29 | Manu | usually symetrical up/download |
| 10:54.32 | treadbaron3 | higher |
| 10:54.42 | treadbaron3 | no not true |
| 10:54.52 | Manu | well, close |
| 10:54.58 | treadbaron3 | i can watch hd with a basic adsl |
| 10:55.13 | Manu | yes, and with dialup too ;) |
| 10:55.16 | treadbaron3 | upload of only 170Kb |
| 10:55.25 | treadbaron3 | exactly |
| 10:55.50 | treadbaron3 | so that is a lot of data that has to be transferred, much more than in bz |
| 10:56.19 | treadbaron3 | but bz is more time critical |
| 10:56.25 | Manu | bzflag servers send more than 170kb/s |
| 10:56.25 | treadbaron3 | like u said |
| 10:56.27 | Manu | usually |
| 10:56.47 | Manu | bz is real time |
| 10:57.00 | treadbaron3 | that is why u ultimately dont want to rely on one central server |
| 10:57.13 | Manu | the desired is 0 lag but it's impossible so the lower lag is the desired |
| 10:57.25 | treadbaron3 | streaming is also real time |
| 10:57.30 | Manu | also to hide your ip ;) |
| 10:57.51 | Manu | probably you don't want others to know your IP |
| 10:57.52 | treadbaron3 | the ip thing is not a problem im worried about |
| 10:58.39 | treadbaron3 | ip addresses are a dime a doz, people use bittorrent and have no prob w it |
| 10:59.10 | treadbaron3 | the lag must be possible to lower using p2p |
| 10:59.41 | Manu | sure? lag is mainly distance dependant |
| 10:59.46 | Manu | how can p2p help you? |
| 11:00.39 | treadbaron3 | since each client transfers info distribution is faster by 100-100000x depending on the number of clients |
| 11:01.13 | treadbaron3 | this would allow for every player to strengthen resources and not deplete them |
| 11:01.55 | treadbaron3 | sure the realtime factor is important but it should be possible to realize this |
| 11:02.17 | treadbaron3 | croquet has no limit of realtime interaction for instance |
| 11:02.33 | Manu | if your lag to another user is 150 ms. for example, how can p2p help you? it simply can't |
| 11:02.42 | treadbaron3 | more players stronger network |
| 11:02.48 | Manu | but same lag ;) |
| 11:03.17 | Manu | only if a server falls, all the communication is closed |
| 11:03.17 | treadbaron3 | what is the chance that all players have that same lag to you? |
| 11:03.22 | Manu | in a p2p if a client falls, nothing big happens |
| 11:03.33 | Manu | if is this what you mean |
| 11:03.46 | treadbaron3 | there is more chance that some other player has less lag and can pass on ur info faster than u |
| 11:04.05 | Manu | yes, but it's the same for the server |
| 11:04.22 | Manu | only if both users are in the same city and the server is far from them you can get advantage |
| 11:04.26 | treadbaron3 | and since it is happening everywhere at once the network is much more efficient |
| 11:04.27 | Manu | then p2p is faster |
| 11:05.27 | treadbaron3 | to take advantage u would need more players true and u would need them to agree to be peers |
| 11:05.54 | treadbaron3 | but it u had a network it would be inclusive rather than exclusive |
| 11:06.05 | treadbaron3 | if |
| 11:06.24 | treadbaron3 | more peers = better play |
| 11:07.14 | treadbaron3 | or maybe some hybrid that takes advantage of p2p when possible |
| 11:07.27 | Manu | now in bzflag the server does a lot of checks before broadcast the info |
| 11:07.40 | Manu | in a p2p every client must do every check, a waste of effort |
| 11:07.59 | Manu | and also slow clients probably were unable to manage it and play together |
| 11:08.26 | treadbaron3 | sure but the paradigm of p2p is: small waste of resources = big speed reward |
| 11:08.41 | treadbaron3 | define slow? |
| 11:08.52 | Manu | but in a game is not a small waste of resources because every client must to the same work |
| 11:09.04 | Manu | with a server is only the server who does it and only once |
| 11:09.18 | treadbaron3 | if that work is small then it is stil;l small compared to the whole |
| 11:09.21 | Manu | p2p can be good for somethings |
| 11:09.26 | Manu | but also can be bad for others |
| 11:09.32 | treadbaron3 | sure but it is expanding |
| 11:09.41 | treadbaron3 | i believe it is the future |
| 11:09.41 | Manu | servers too ;) |
| 11:09.46 | Manu | also p2p use servers |
| 11:09.57 | PuMpErNiCkEl | Wouldn't a distributed server/client mix go against a bunch of the anti-cheat checks? |
| 11:09.59 | treadbaron3 | of course |
| 11:10.24 | treadbaron3 | pump just talking about possibilities not cheats |
| 11:10.34 | Manu | also p2p must be good for the cheaters |
| 11:10.40 | Manu | because all the clients are trusted ;) |
| 11:10.56 | treadbaron3 | not the point |
| 11:10.58 | Manu | treadbaron3: if is not there a server, who arbitrate the game? |
| 11:11.17 | treadbaron3 | manu think hybrid |
| 11:11.34 | Manu | ah, now p2p with a server.. ;) |
| 11:11.59 | treadbaron3 | im not saying destroy system build new, im saying u have a developing technology how can it be employed |
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| 11:12.17 | treadbaron3 | ah u get it |
| 11:12.25 | Manu | yes, but probably p2p is not so good for a real time game |
| 11:12.39 | treadbaron3 | well that is where i think u r wrong |
| 11:12.53 | treadbaron3 | p2p realtime streaming exists |
| 11:13.07 | Manu | yes of course |
| 11:13.17 | treadbaron3 | and it is being developed at a rapid pace |
| 11:13.18 | Manu | it doesn't mean you can do everything |
| 11:13.41 | treadbaron3 | but it is very good at realtime communal activities |
| 11:13.47 | treadbaron3 | like bz |
| 11:13.49 | Manu | also the server manages databased used for bzflag |
| 11:14.04 | treadbaron3 | details |
| 11:14.11 | Manu | yes, but only for the communication part |
| 11:14.24 | treadbaron3 | most important is the majority of info distributed |
| 11:14.26 | Manu | treadbaron3: banned players, local players... |
| 11:14.54 | treadbaron3 | sure manu but lets keep the big picture here |
| 11:15.15 | Manu | :) |
| 11:15.24 | treadbaron3 | the hardest part is to distribute actual realtime info of objs in 3d space |
| 11:15.57 | treadbaron3 | many objs require much info distribution |
| 11:16.16 | treadbaron3 | many hands make light work |
| 11:16.39 | treadbaron3 | must be a way to utilize p2p to help this |
| 11:16.53 | PuMpErNiCkEl | Many hands obscure light. o.o |
| 11:17.02 | treadbaron3 | hilarious |
| 11:18.13 | treadbaron3 | manu u think if i want to grow interest in this i need to speak to bad or jeff? |
| 11:18.23 | treadbaron3 | ner brad i mean |
| 11:18.48 | Manu | :) |
| 11:19.08 | Manu | the hardest par as you say it's implemented in bzflag |
| 11:19.13 | treadbaron3 | bloody bz conditioning |
| 11:19.35 | treadbaron3 | sure |
| 11:20.12 | treadbaron3 | but i think u underestimate the power of p2p. Look at croquet again and see how good the realtime interaction is |
| 11:20.32 | Manu | but in a trusted clients world, mustn't be to difficult to send every message to every client instead of the server |
| 11:20.54 | treadbaron3 | exactly |
| 11:21.19 | Manu | simply, every client must now their ip and change the protocol to send/receive messages from clients to clients |
| 11:21.40 | Manu | but only good in a trusted clients world ;) |
| 11:21.52 | treadbaron3 | i admit i have never heard of a p2p game but there is no tech reason y it shouldnt be possible |
| 11:22.02 | Manu | also the lag thing must be changed |
| 11:22.13 | Manu | possible != good |
| 11:22.32 | treadbaron3 | yes but like i said i dont think lag is a prob if u look at how croquet has solved it |
| 11:23.34 | treadbaron3 | i believe that u can program ur own rules regarding peer freedom in croquet |
| 11:24.07 | treadbaron3 | u can also do it in real time without compiling but that is another story |
| 11:24.22 | Manu | hehe |
| 11:25.04 | treadbaron3 | when is best time to discuss this here? |
| 11:25.36 | Manu | 2 hours later probably |
| 11:25.56 | Manu | USA users are now sleeping |
| 11:26.06 | treadbaron3 | k thanx will lurk for a while if u have any other comments id like to hear them |
| 11:26.25 | treadbaron3 | thanx to for ur feedback |
| 11:26.30 | Manu | no comments :) |
| 11:26.48 | treadbaron3 | commentatas? |
| 11:26.49 | Manu | you are distracting me in my work ;) |
| 11:27.02 | treadbaron3 | thats a good thing right? |
| 11:27.09 | Manu | no :) |
| 11:27.14 | treadbaron3 | lol |
| 12:38.59 | brlcad | buenos dias Manu |
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| 13:26.07 | donny_baker | so sorry, forums just hit with 9 spam messages |
| 13:26.21 | donny_baker | nick for span is Anence |
| 13:33.57 | Manu | buenos dÃas brlcad :) |
| 13:38.45 | [NP]Tangent | well guys, I might be getting arrested soon |
| 13:38.48 | [NP]Tangent | dunno what for |
| 13:39.04 | [NP]Tangent | but there's a very specific family who wants my existance to be gone |
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| 15:44.51 | cosmos | you can be arrested because someone does not like you? |
| 15:46.56 | quantumdot | cosmos: depending who is that "someone" ;) |
| 15:47.22 | blast007 | TantenT |
| 15:47.30 | blast007 | oh, wait ;) |
| 15:47.37 | blast007 | the "someone" ;) |
| 15:48.29 | cosmos | maybe if they lied to the cops and filed false charges |
| 15:48.36 | cosmos | seems a bit idiotic though |
| 15:49.55 | DTRemenak | with today's laws, just about everyone is a criminal, so just about anyone can be arrested |
| 15:49.59 | cosmos | usually two adults can just avoid each other :) |
| 15:50.52 | cosmos | but yout right dtremenak |
| 15:51.29 | cosmos | one of our business developers was just sentenced to 15 years in maximum security prison for spanking his kid in public |
| 15:52.13 | DTRemenak | and they wonder why kids don't respect authority these days |
| 15:52.20 | cosmos | the guy was anything but violent, his kid took something off the shelf and he reprimanded her with a swat |
| 15:52.25 | cosmos | now hes doing hard time |
| 15:52.35 | CBG | 15 years? |
| 15:52.37 | CBG | wtf? |
| 15:52.49 | cosmos | "first degree assault" |
| 15:52.59 | CBG | bull. |
| 15:53.00 | cosmos | and the patriot act isnt helping things |
| 15:53.06 | CBG | It's his own kid... |
| 15:53.08 | DTRemenak | heh |
| 15:53.35 | cosmos | i just read some lady is in jail for making her daughter stand in a corner all night |
| 15:53.39 | DTRemenak | the patriot act is the excuse to watch what everyone's doing; if everyone is a criminal, and you can prove it, then you can arrest anyone you feel like it |
| 15:53.47 | cosmos | ive had that happen to me more times than i can count |
| 15:53.52 | cosmos | its not assault |
| 15:54.12 | CBG | It's not ANYTHING. |
| 15:54.22 | DTRemenak | it's proper parenting |
| 15:54.25 | cosmos | well cbg she might get 7 years for it |
| 15:54.48 | DTRemenak | but the government would perfer to parent your kids itself |
| 15:55.08 | CBG | cosmos: the US is so totally messed up |
| 15:55.32 | inchworm | it's not total government, there were some 'social' movements that sorta started it, no? |
| 15:55.54 | cosmos | true although the story i read about the islamic law in somalia is frightening. 3 kids all under the age of 7 beheaded for missing daily prayers |
| 15:56.12 | DTRemenak | yup; the government just uses it as an opportunity to increase its control over the populace |
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| 15:57.52 | ts | DTRemenak: Histroy repeats itself |
| 15:58.02 | ts | history* |
| 15:58.03 | DTRemenak | yup |
| 15:58.30 | ts | like east germany for example |
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| 16:58.56 | cosmos | democrats saying republicans used mind control to cause senators stroke |
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| 17:06.51 | biggeruniverse | that PA II is better- natural-born citizens can be stripped of citizenship and deported |
| 17:08.47 | biggeruniverse | cosmos: that's not sharia |
| 17:10.09 | biggeruniverse | so calling it islamic law would be incorrect. You could call it Somali law, and that would be different |
| 17:12.03 | biggeruniverse | You can miss Friday prayers if you believe it necessary- it is between you and God. |
| 17:12.35 | biggeruniverse | (you being the rhetorical "you") |
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| 17:28.10 | cosmos | well now they are missing more than just prayers |
| 17:29.30 | cosmos | i have no idea what day it was, they just reported that they missed prayers (they have to pray 5 times a day) and were taken from their parents and beheaded |
| 17:32.49 | biggeruniverse | sounds extreme for the crime |
| 17:32.59 | biggeruniverse | sharia perscribes death for very few crimes |
| 17:33.04 | biggeruniverse | *prescribes |
| 17:33.39 | biggeruniverse | (if a crime it can be called at all) |
| 17:33.54 | biggeruniverse | missing prayers hurts no one but yourself |
| 17:36.03 | cosmos | its scary over there |
| 17:36.42 | biggeruniverse | that's because we do not know it |
| 17:38.04 | biggeruniverse | they probably think it's scary here ;) |
| 17:38.09 | biggeruniverse | (where here is) |
| 17:38.18 | biggeruniverse | *where ever |
| 17:38.28 | cosmos | not too different over here, i was at a coworkers church a few weeks ago and they were talking about how Jesus commands the death of arabs and jews who "are against us" |
| 17:38.59 | cosmos | not what i remember Church used to be like |
| 17:39.59 | biggeruniverse | o_O goodness! |
| 17:40.22 | biggeruniverse | when did Jesus ever command death for anyone? |
| 17:43.10 | JeffM2501 | maybe this isn't the best channel to be discussing that? |
| 17:44.33 | biggeruniverse | you're right |
| 17:44.51 | JeffM2501 | Erroneous, do you have perms to replace files in the web dir? |
| 17:45.05 | JeffM2501 | tadd has an image that needs updating and I can't replace it |
| 17:45.13 | Erroneous | yeah |
| 17:45.18 | Erroneous | want me to chown for you |
| 17:45.30 | JeffM2501 | I don't know if I should own it |
| 17:45.34 | JeffM2501 | maybe there is a group I should be in |
| 17:45.40 | Erroneous | ah, could be |
| 17:46.34 | JeffM2501 | they are created by php so would that put them in the web group? |
| 17:46.36 | Erroneous | hm, they're owner-writable only |
| 17:47.17 | JeffM2501 | maybe the php image submiter isn't making them correctly |
| 17:47.36 | Erroneous | yeah, it should make them group-writable |
| 17:47.46 | Erroneous | ok, try now |
| 17:47.54 | JeffM2501 | gotta find my ssh client |
| 17:47.59 | JeffM2501 | everythingmoved :) |
| 17:48.05 | Erroneous | hehe |
| 17:49.27 | cosmos | chmod 777 /web |
| 17:49.37 | JeffM2501 | now I just have to remember what name it was filed under :) |
| 17:49.52 | Erroneous | ttorborg |
| 17:50.11 | JeffM2501 | nope, I can't replace or delete |
| 17:50.19 | Erroneous | ah, directory perms |
| 17:50.19 | JeffM2501 | I may not be in the magical group |
| 17:50.46 | Erroneous | try now |
| 17:50.54 | Erroneous | no, directory was set to write by owner only |
| 17:51.04 | Erroneous | will need to bug rpg about that |
| 17:51.50 | JeffM2501 | there it goes :) |
| 17:51.51 | JeffM2501 | thanks |
| 17:51.55 | Erroneous | np |
| 17:52.27 | JeffM2501 | and that should conclude the thursday morning bookkeeping :) |
| 17:53.30 | JeffM2501 | you goin to the party? |
| 17:53.46 | Erroneous | nope |
| 17:54.09 | JeffM2501 | slacker |
| 17:54.16 | Erroneous | hehe |
| 17:54.34 | JeffM2501 | tho this one is outside |
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| 17:54.41 | JeffM2501 | last outside one was too cold |
| 17:56.14 | JBdiGriz | Speaking of a better channel for certain discussions .... |
| 17:56.21 | biggeruniverse | hehe |
| 17:56.23 | JeffM2501 | I stoped :) |
| 17:56.27 | biggeruniverse | I'll buy your babble! |
| 17:56.38 | JeffM2501 | babblebroker? |
| 17:56.54 | Erroneous | six lines total, that ain't too bad, JBdiGriz :) |
| 17:57.02 | biggeruniverse | I am the babble monopoly maker |
| 17:57.08 | JeffM2501 | heh |
| 17:57.38 | JeffM2501 | I don't mind some chitchat here, but religon and killings may just be a bit too much ;) |
| 17:57.44 | JBdiGriz | Erroneous: People who live in glass houses should be careful where they place their showers. |
| 17:57.48 | biggeruniverse | maybe religion |
| 17:57.53 | Erroneous | hehehe :) |
| 17:58.23 | JeffM2501 | I saw a glass house blow up on TV last night |
| 17:58.25 | JeffM2501 | it was prety cool |
| 17:58.41 | JBdiGriz | Hopefully, nobody was in the shower at the time. |
| 17:58.50 | JeffM2501 | the slow-mo of the shockwave made me wish we had shaders |
| 17:59.44 | Erroneous | JBdiGriz: http://arts.guardian.co.uk/news/story/0,11711,1099395,00.html |
| 17:59.55 | biggeruniverse | we could have shaders |
| 18:00.00 | JeffM2501 | we could yes |
| 18:00.08 | JeffM2501 | and at some point we probably will |
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| 18:00.19 | biggeruniverse | indeed |
| 18:00.29 | biggeruniverse | I hope so |
| 18:00.44 | JeffM2501 | they'd just have to be done modularly for cards that don't have them |
| 18:00.52 | JeffM2501 | as I don't think we'll ever require them |
| 18:00.59 | biggeruniverse | easily done, really |
| 18:01.04 | JeffM2501 | trepan had it does |
| 18:01.11 | biggeruniverse | what? |
| 18:01.14 | JeffM2501 | had some nice lighting and shots |
| 18:01.52 | biggeruniverse | before shaders tho, we need a real particle system engine |
| 18:02.14 | biggeruniverse | then tank explosions and shockwaves could be cool indeed |
| 18:02.38 | JeffM2501 | yeah I don't like the current explosions |
| 18:02.45 | JeffM2501 | I had some better ones in playground |
| 18:02.50 | JeffM2501 | probably should work on those more |
| 18:02.57 | JeffM2501 | and get them into the octree |
| 18:02.57 | biggeruniverse | slacker |
| 18:03.04 | JeffM2501 | never said I wasn't |
| 18:03.34 | JeffM2501 | tho right now I'm not slacking, I just have higher priorities :) |
| 18:03.52 | biggeruniverse | Well, I'm too deep in the server side right now to dig myself out |
| 18:04.19 | JeffM2501 | and I did the new shots, is't that enough? |
| 18:04.27 | biggeruniverse | truly |
| 18:04.41 | JeffM2501 | tho they do make the splode look hokey |
| 18:04.50 | JeffM2501 | and slow down old comptuers :) |
| 18:05.01 | JeffM2501 | on laser can make more triangles then some maps :) |
| 18:05.14 | JeffM2501 | one even |
| 18:06.07 | biggeruniverse | I don't think I've seen the new laser yet |
| 18:06.29 | JeffM2501 | geoBolt and geoLaser |
| 18:12.17 | tadd | I'm here now JeffM2501: I don't know if I can help with names of files or what. |
| 18:12.19 | *** join/#bzflag bz19 (n=4309aa10@bz.bzflag.bz) |
| 18:12.28 | JeffM2501 | oh it's all done man |
| 18:12.30 | JeffM2501 | check your PMs :) |
| 18:12.32 | tadd | cool thanks. |
| 18:12.43 | JeffM2501 | no prob |
| 18:12.46 | tadd | checking now. just got time to glance over at the "for play" computer. I'm working here at home. |
| 18:13.45 | JeffM2501 | I just replaced the file with the one you sent me |
| 18:14.09 | tadd | most excellent. thanks |
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| 18:14.52 | rooter | Hello all! Can someone post a match for me? |
| 18:16.44 | *** join/#bzflag G5 (n=4309aa10@bz.bzflag.bz) |
| 18:17.16 | biggeruniverse | what? |
| 18:17.58 | biggeruniverse | oh |
| 18:18.01 | biggeruniverse | nevermind |
| 18:18.15 | tadd | what does it mean to post a match? |
| 18:18.26 | *** join/#bzflag G5 (n=4309aa10@bz.bzflag.bz) |
| 18:18.46 | biggeruniverse | I assumed for league play |
| 18:18.49 | rooter | yes |
| 18:18.53 | G5 | hello |
| 18:18.55 | rooter | but i got someone in ducleague to |
| 18:19.01 | rooter | thanks anyway |
| 18:19.03 | biggeruniverse | hello |
| 18:19.06 | tadd | hello |
| 18:19.09 | biggeruniverse | hello |
| 18:19.15 | G5 | first time here |
| 18:19.28 | biggeruniverse | no, I come often |
| 18:19.31 | biggeruniverse | are you hitting on me? |
| 18:19.49 | JeffM2501 | biggeruniverse, be nice |
| 18:20.11 | G5 | who, me? |
| 18:20.13 | biggeruniverse | I thought I was :( |
| 18:20.34 | biggeruniverse | G5 can take a joke |
| 18:20.39 | biggeruniverse | right G5? |
| 18:20.45 | G5 | who, me? |
| 18:20.50 | rooter | lol... reminds me of a site I created.... uComeHereOften.com |
| 18:20.51 | biggeruniverse | the one and only |
| 18:21.30 | G5 | do i need a irc client here? or not needed? |
| 18:21.38 | biggeruniverse | what? |
| 18:21.44 | biggeruniverse | how did you get here? |
| 18:21.45 | G5 | found one called colloqy |
| 18:21.45 | JeffM2501 | your on the web client |
| 18:21.47 | JeffM2501 | that is fine |
| 18:21.54 | JeffM2501 | but a real IRC client is best |
| 18:21.59 | biggeruniverse | heh. should have checked |
| 18:22.03 | G5 | thru the board |
| 18:22.05 | rooter | I'm using colloquy |
| 18:22.13 | JeffM2501 | yes before you spoke |
| 18:22.23 | JeffM2501 | the IRC client will be slow and is very limited in where it can go |
| 18:22.31 | JeffM2501 | but it's good for asking questions, that's why we have it |
| 18:22.35 | G5 | colloquy is running but still dont know how to use it |
| 18:22.55 | G5 | noob>>>me |
| 18:23.05 | biggeruniverse | that's not a proper assignment |
| 18:23.07 | JeffM2501 | it should have some documentation you can read |
| 18:23.51 | G5 | whats the name of this chat room? |
| 18:24.01 | JeffM2501 | it's an IRC chanel |
| 18:24.04 | JeffM2501 | on freenode.net |
| 18:25.52 | JeffM2501 | did you need to ask a specific question or just were wondering what the chatroom link was? |
| 18:26.25 | G5 | i was wondering about the chatroom link, sorry for the noob questions |
| 18:26.30 | JeffM2501 | it's ok |
| 18:27.17 | G5 | thanks, ok i have colloquy running, says im on #bzflag |
| 18:27.42 | G5 | then it asks for a chat room |
| 18:27.55 | JeffM2501 | what server did you tell it to use? |
| 18:29.14 | G5 | it says server #bzflag, port 6667 and my nickname |
| 18:29.19 | JeffM2501 | no |
| 18:29.25 | JeffM2501 | the server is irc.freenode.net |
| 18:29.38 | JeffM2501 | then the chatroom will be #bzflag |
| 18:29.45 | JeffM2501 | there are many "rooms" on this server |
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| 18:30.46 | jrcortez | Howdy! |
| 18:30.51 | JeffM2501 | there ya go |
| 18:30.52 | jrcortez | yay! |
| 18:31.21 | jrcortez | dang internet thingie, where's al gore when ya need him! |
| 18:31.46 | jrcortez | :| |
| 18:32.21 | jrcortez | jeff you the moderator here? |
| 18:32.27 | JeffM2501 | one of them, yes |
| 18:32.40 | jrcortez | is jeff your tank name also? |
| 18:32.50 | JeffM2501 | it can be |
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| 18:32.57 | jrcortez | oops |
| 18:34.01 | jrcortez | ooookkk, do i need to leave the chat room link alone while on colloquy? |
| 18:34.07 | JeffM2501 | no |
| 18:34.33 | JeffM2501 | the chatroom link is just a web client for people who don't have an IRC client, who may want to ask a question |
| 18:34.33 | jrcortez | hmmm, i left the chat room then colloquy said i left the chat room |
| 18:34.42 | JeffM2501 | yes cus that name left |
| 18:34.46 | JeffM2501 | you were on as 2 names |
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| 18:34.54 | JeffM2501 | jrcortez and G5 |
| 18:35.01 | jrcortez | lets see here |
| 18:35.05 | jrcortez | nahhhh, ok |
| 18:35.13 | jrcortez | hey cannonball |
| 18:38.15 | jrcortez | ok, im out cya, thanks for the help! |
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| 18:54.52 | ts | JeffM2501: Do you know who came up with the sounds used in the game? |
| 18:56.02 | JeffM2501 | nope |
| 18:57.23 | ts | Hmm, who could know then? |
| 18:57.39 | JeffM2501 | it's probably not anyone who is still around |
| 18:57.40 | JeffM2501 | why? |
| 18:58.13 | cosmos | bzflag wins best sound effects of the decade |
| 18:58.16 | ts | Probably we want an accustical signal when a countdown is paused |
| 18:58.22 | JeffM2501 | then make one |
| 18:58.43 | JeffM2501 | the newer sounds were just made/found by whoever implemented the feature that needed soud |
| 18:58.54 | ts | That's the prob, I don't know what sounds good |
| 18:58.55 | JeffM2501 | there is a play sound message you can send from the server tho |
| 18:59.15 | JeffM2501 | then pick something, if people don't like it, they can find and submit another one :) |
| 18:59.28 | JeffM2501 | that's how we do the art |
| 18:59.29 | ts | jikes |
| 18:59.53 | JeffM2501 | there is no offical bzflag "audio designer" |
| 19:00.15 | ts | Hmm, I need to find an addicted fan who creates the sound ;) |
| 19:00.30 | JeffM2501 | dude, it dosn't have to be perfect on the first shot |
| 19:00.38 | JeffM2501 | just get some audio, a beep or meep will work |
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| 19:15.24 | SportChick | JBdiGriz: I get sushi without bribery |
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| 19:39.06 | biggeruniverse | bleah |
| 19:40.15 | biggeruniverse | go watch a cartoon show, and pick the first sound that sounds funny |
| 19:40.27 | biggeruniverse | findsounds.com |
| 19:40.31 | biggeruniverse | or something like that |
| 19:42.19 | biggeruniverse | just make sure it's free/GPL |
| 19:43.30 | biggeruniverse | well, he's not here |
| 19:43.48 | biggeruniverse | now you can use the "stupid" missive, JeffM2501 |
| 19:44.20 | JeffM2501 | huh? |
| 19:46.29 | biggeruniverse | we could get the chick from neverball to do some soundbites |
| 19:46.37 | biggeruniverse | wrong chink |
| 19:46.40 | biggeruniverse | *chick |
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| 20:10.05 | G104cch1n0 | hello |
| 20:10.19 | G104cch1n0 | I want to create a italian server |
| 20:10.55 | G104cch1n0 | based on 42arena.homelinux.com |
| 20:11.10 | G104cch1n0 | how to get the word of this server with textur ? |
| 20:12.05 | G104cch1n0 | can you help me ?? |
| 20:12.12 | G104cch1n0 | how to create a texture ? |
| 20:12.33 | G104cch1n0 | and how to get plugin for my server ? |
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| 20:16.02 | biggeruniverse | which texture? |
| 20:16.06 | biggeruniverse | for the ground? |
| 20:16.32 | biggeruniverse | terra? |
| 20:17.28 | biggeruniverse | I assume you are running in linux? |
| 20:17.30 | *** join/#bzflag master_tux (n=dark_dem@ool-45770c9b.dyn.optonline.net) |
| 20:17.54 | biggeruniverse | master_tux: we had a party while you were gone |
| 20:17.56 | biggeruniverse | :P |
| 20:18.15 | blast007 | G104cch1n0: can you explain in more detail? |
| 20:18.25 | master_tux | ... |
| 20:18.58 | biggeruniverse | master_tux: you know I'm joshing with you |
| 20:19.16 | G104cch1n0 | no it running on a xp |
| 20:19.30 | master_tux | ooo joshing... |
| 20:19.35 | master_tux | thats my word of the month! |
| 20:20.04 | biggeruniverse | G104cch1n0: ok, then I'm not so good with running a server there |
| 20:20.08 | G104cch1n0 | in italy is impossible to play at bzflag because the lag is hig |
| 20:20.16 | master_tux | mmm |
| 20:20.16 | biggeruniverse | ok |
| 20:20.25 | master_tux | its not italy itself |
| 20:20.30 | master_tux | its your connection |
| 20:20.31 | master_tux | :p |
| 20:20.36 | G104cch1n0 | My problem isnt running it my problem is copy the map |
| 20:20.43 | biggeruniverse | which map? |
| 20:20.50 | G104cch1n0 | this |
| 20:21.00 | G104cch1n0 | 42arena.homelinux.com |
| 20:21.04 | master_tux | 0_0 |
| 20:21.06 | biggeruniverse | ok |
| 20:21.08 | master_tux | thats a server |
| 20:21.08 | biggeruniverse | hold on |
| 20:21.10 | master_tux | not a map |
| 20:21.11 | master_tux | :p |
| 20:21.15 | G104cch1n0 | ops |
| 20:21.22 | G104cch1n0 | the map on this server |
| 20:21.28 | G104cch1n0 | 42arena.homelinux.com |
| 20:21.30 | biggeruniverse | G104cch1n0: is that a 2.0 server? |
| 20:21.40 | master_tux | might be 2.1 |
| 20:21.46 | G104cch1n0 | I don't now |
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| 20:21.53 | master_tux | or 1.x |
| 20:21.59 | master_tux | which would be pretty cheap |
| 20:22.00 | G104cch1n0 | I use bzflag 2.0.8 with her server |
| 20:22.14 | master_tux | G10: have you port forwarded? |
| 20:22.45 | biggeruniverse | neat |
| 20:22.47 | G104cch1n0 | I can forward it no problem I am a expert on port forwarding ;) |
| 20:22.52 | biggeruniverse | the textures work fine for me |
| 20:23.02 | master_tux | G10: a noob can port forward :p |
| 20:23.32 | biggeruniverse | G104cch1n0: so what is the problem again? |
| 20:24.45 | G104cch1n0 | Icopy the map of the server ( 42arena.homelinux.com ) and applly at my default server |
| 20:24.57 | biggeruniverse | yeah, I'm on there now |
| 20:25.00 | G104cch1n0 | this is the problem |
| 20:25.05 | biggeruniverse | ? |
| 20:25.11 | G104cch1n0 | excuse me for may bad English |
| 20:25.21 | biggeruniverse | oh 42arena.homelinux.com isn't your server |
| 20:25.26 | biggeruniverse | what is your server? |
| 20:25.32 | biggeruniverse | it's ok :) |
| 20:25.43 | biggeruniverse | I don't speak any Italian |
| 20:25.49 | master_tux | Ciao |
| 20:25.51 | G104cch1n0 | romahome.no-ip.org |
| 20:25.57 | G104cch1n0 | ciao |
| 20:25.57 | biggeruniverse | ok |
| 20:25.57 | master_tux | Come va? |
| 20:26.04 | G104cch1n0 | I go to create it |
| 20:26.09 | blast007 | ah, I see |
| 20:26.20 | biggeruniverse | ok, so you need to save the map and use it on your server? |
| 20:26.21 | G104cch1n0 | bene solo che non capisco una mazza di inglese e voglio fare un server italiano con poco lag |
| 20:26.32 | master_tux | mi dispiace |
| 20:26.38 | biggeruniverse | we understand |
| 20:26.40 | G104cch1n0 | <biggeruniverse> ok, so you need to save the map and use it on your server? si |
| 20:26.46 | G104cch1n0 | ops |
| 20:26.47 | G104cch1n0 | yes |
| 20:26.52 | G104cch1n0 | si=yes |
| 20:27.00 | biggeruniverse | I know :) |
| 20:27.05 | master_tux | haha |
| 20:27.08 | blast007 | there is an option in the client to save the map |
| 20:27.20 | biggeruniverse | I guess I know poco Italian |
| 20:27.21 | blast007 | but you should verify that you have permission to use the map first |
| 20:27.22 | master_tux | mi piace il gelato |
| 20:27.24 | master_tux | :) |
| 20:27.38 | biggeruniverse | master_tux: you're a nut |
| 20:27.56 | master_tux | biggeruniverse: someday I'll be a mighty oak tree :) |
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| 20:28.13 | biggeruniverse | I didn't say you were an acorn |
| 20:28.24 | biggeruniverse | I said you were a nut |
| 20:28.27 | master_tux | nut is a broad subject |
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| 20:28.31 | master_tux | nut could be an acorn |
| 20:28.44 | G104cch1n0 | the map isnt open source ? |
| 20:28.51 | master_tux | LMAO |
| 20:28.52 | biggeruniverse | you need permission |
| 20:28.59 | G104cch1n0 | I contact the admin of the server and I ask it |
| 20:29.06 | master_tux | umm |
| 20:29.11 | biggeruniverse | no, contact the map maker |
| 20:29.14 | master_tux | no |
| 20:29.14 | master_tux | you hit escape |
| 20:29.15 | master_tux | hit escape |
| 20:29.19 | master_tux | hit save map |
| 20:29.24 | master_tux | and type location |
| 20:29.26 | master_tux | :) |
| 20:29.38 | biggeruniverse | yes, but that is dishonest |
| 20:29.40 | G104cch1n0 | how to say the map creator ? |
| 20:29.44 | master_tux | z |
| 20:29.53 | biggeruniverse | how to say? |
| 20:29.57 | biggeruniverse | how to contact? |
| 20:29.58 | G104cch1n0 | no I wan't a disonest server |
| 20:30.00 | master_tux | use /report |
| 20:30.21 | G104cchin0 | on the chat of the server ? |
| 20:30.24 | biggeruniverse | blast007: can the creator put their name in the map file? |
| 20:30.39 | CBG | of course... |
| 20:30.43 | master_tux | lmao |
| 20:30.51 | blast007 | biggeruniverse: I believe they can |
| 20:30.59 | biggeruniverse | G10cch1n0: yes, you could |
| 20:31.02 | blast007 | not sure what the exact save process does though |
| 20:31.07 | biggeruniverse | ok |
| 20:31.09 | master_tux | umm, you can put it in comments |
| 20:31.10 | CBG | They can put ANYTHING. :| |
| 20:31.11 | master_tux | like C++ |
| 20:31.11 | biggeruniverse | wasn't sure |
| 20:31.38 | master_tux | you should learn map making |
| 20:31.46 | biggeruniverse | G104cchin0: can we call you gio? |
| 20:31.48 | G104cch1n0 | If I mode the map I should ask at the maker ? |
| 20:31.48 | master_tux | pretty entertaining on a rainy day :p |
| 20:31.55 | master_tux | *made |
| 20:32.07 | blast007 | biggeruniverse: isn't it easy enough to tab complete? ;) |
| 20:32.26 | biggeruniverse | I *guess* so |
| 20:32.26 | G104cch1n0 | how to save the map of the server ?? |
| 20:32.36 | biggeruniverse | options->save map |
| 20:33.09 | donny_baker | you don't get any options when saving from the client, but you do get the physical map |
| 20:33.11 | G104cch1n0 | it tella not wird loaded to save |
| 20:33.24 | G104cch1n0 | asp I join on the server and later save ? |
| 20:34.00 | G104cch1n0 | ok I had save the map |
| 20:34.02 | donny_baker | yes, join first... then hit <esc> then options->save map |
| 20:34.08 | G104cch1n0 | how to apply it on my server ? |
| 20:34.38 | biggeruniverse | you have to add the command-line option for a world file |
| 20:35.02 | donny_baker | http://bzflag.org/wiki/CreatingAServer |
| 20:35.39 | biggeruniverse | G104cch1n0, is your server running? |
| 20:35.39 | G104cch1n0 | I try to open it with bz edit |
| 20:35.39 | biggeruniverse | ok |
| 20:35.39 | biggeruniverse | and it worked? |
| 20:35.39 | G104cch1n0 | but it tell : unknow object on the map |
| 20:35.49 | biggeruniverse | what version of bzedit |
| 20:36.05 | biggeruniverse | *but it said: |
| 20:36.21 | G104cch1n0 | 1.6.5 |
| 20:36.32 | G104cch1n0 | the latest i think |
| 20:36.36 | biggeruniverse | hmm |
| 20:36.43 | G104cch1n0 | <biggeruniverse> *but it said: thank |
| 20:36.53 | biggeruniverse | G104cch1n0 of course |
| 20:37.21 | G104cch1n0 | I not understan : of course |
| 20:37.21 | biggeruniverse | if you run server without a map, it will create a random one |
| 20:37.37 | biggeruniverse | naturalmente |
| 20:37.47 | G104cch1n0 | grazie |
| 20:37.53 | G104cch1n0 | you spek a little italian ? |
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| 20:38.03 | biggeruniverse | very little |
| 20:38.16 | *** join/#bzflag ep (n=mdr@about/essy/guynextdoor/ep) |
| 20:38.22 | biggeruniverse | il traduttore del google è il mio buon amico |
| 20:38.24 | biggeruniverse | ;) |
| 20:38.46 | G104cch1n0 | ehehehhe both my friend |
| 20:38.53 | G104cch1n0 | but it not traducing good |
| 20:39.04 | biggeruniverse | traducing->translating |
| 20:39.06 | CBG | You're right there. ;) |
| 20:39.09 | G104cch1n0 | si |
| 20:39.17 | G104cch1n0 | now |
| 20:39.18 | biggeruniverse | I know, but it's better than nothing |
| 20:39.22 | G104cch1n0 | I have the map |
| 20:39.34 | G104cch1n0 | but I cant mod it with bzedit |
| 20:39.50 | G104cch1n0 | I can use it with bzserver ? |
| 20:40.00 | G104cch1n0 | or it create a problem ? |
| 20:40.16 | biggeruniverse | you will have to try |
| 20:40.31 | G104cch1n0 | can I try to use it "senza" modifiche ? |
| 20:40.40 | biggeruniverse | yes |
| 20:40.56 | G104cch1n0 | how to set my server for use this map ? |
| 20:41.47 | biggeruniverse | -world |
| 20:42.07 | G104cch1n0 | yes I set it |
| 20:42.13 | G104cch1n0 | with web gui |
| 20:42.14 | biggeruniverse | ok |
| 20:42.17 | biggeruniverse | that's it |
| 20:42.22 | biggeruniverse | that is all |
| 20:42.34 | G104cch1n0 | and on World Property Variables file |
| 20:42.46 | G104cch1n0 | ? |
| 20:43.43 | biggeruniverse | not sure |
| 20:43.48 | biggeruniverse | I do not use windows |
| 20:43.52 | G104cch1n0 | wat's is spawn building ? |
| 20:44.03 | CBG | -fb |
| 20:44.03 | biggeruniverse | tanks can spawn on buildings |
| 20:44.08 | biggeruniverse | -sb |
| 20:44.12 | biggeruniverse | oh |
| 20:44.14 | CBG | eek, nope, that's FLAGS on buildings. |
| 20:44.18 | CBG | yeah, -sb :| |
| 20:44.22 | G104cch1n0 | I don't understand spawns |
| 20:44.27 | biggeruniverse | um... |
| 20:44.35 | G104cch1n0 | rnon rimalzano ?? |
| 20:44.38 | G104cch1n0 | ops |
| 20:44.43 | biggeruniverse | uova |
| 20:44.46 | G104cch1n0 | non rimbalzano ? |
| 20:44.54 | G104cch1n0 | ok I understand |
| 20:44.56 | biggeruniverse | maybe... |
| 20:45.13 | G104cch1n0 | the shot exploding when touc the building if I abilite it ? |
| 20:45.22 | biggeruniverse | touc->touch |
| 20:45.28 | biggeruniverse | ricochet |
| 20:45.39 | biggeruniverse | well, non ricochet |
| 20:45.55 | biggeruniverse | no, you are thinking of something different |
| 20:46.09 | biggeruniverse | ricochet is rimbalzano |
| 20:46.26 | biggeruniverse | spawn is start or begin again |
| 20:46.35 | CBG | spawn is when you press i |
| 20:46.48 | CBG | when you are dead, you press i and play again. that is a spawn |
| 20:47.11 | G104cch1n0 | ok |
| 20:47.15 | biggeruniverse | abilite it-> enable it |
| 20:47.16 | G104cch1n0 | I understand |
| 20:47.19 | biggeruniverse | ok |
| 20:47.19 | |zongo| | G104cch1n0, se hai bisogno di un aiuto col vocabolario chiedimi pure ;) |
| 20:47.24 | G104cch1n0 | I abilite it ? |
| 20:47.31 | biggeruniverse | no, I am correcting |
| 20:47.39 | blast007 | G104cch1n0: you might have stability issues with running a bzflag server on Windows XP |
| 20:47.53 | blast007 | most of the servers run linux |
| 20:48.15 | blast007 | and in the past, running bzfs on Windows never worked too well |
| 20:48.20 | G104cch1n0 | I had a core 2 duo E6600 + asus p5e dh deluxe + 1Gb ram |
| 20:48.25 | blast007 | it has gotten better, but I haven't tried it in a while |
| 20:48.31 | blast007 | the issue isn't the speed of the computer |
| 20:48.36 | biggeruniverse | zongo-angry: why> |
| 20:48.36 | blast007 | it's the fact that it's Windows |
| 20:48.37 | biggeruniverse | ? |
| 20:48.46 | biggeruniverse | windows is bad |
| 20:48.51 | biggeruniverse | I must go |
| 20:48.58 | tannerld | :P |
| 20:48.59 | G104cch1n0 | I go to searc a computer for istall linux kubuntu and trasfer on it the server but now I had only a computer |
| 20:49.00 | zongo-angry | it's an issue with a player that accused my teammate of cheatinh |
| 20:49.17 | zongo-angry | I'll make this public very soon |
| 20:49.25 | blast007 | G104cch1n0: it might work just fine |
| 20:49.32 | zongo-angry | but here it's not the place nor the time |
| 20:49.36 | blast007 | but if you encounter anything strange, that might be the reason |
| 20:49.51 | G104cch1n0 | how to save the option setted with the web gui ? |
| 20:50.17 | biggeruniverse | CBG! |
| 20:50.26 | CBG | biggeruniverse! |
| 20:50.50 | G104cch1n0 | I had saver the option |
| 20:51.01 | biggeruniverse | I have saved the options |
| 20:51.05 | G104cch1n0 | how to run the server with this oprion ?? |
| 20:51.15 | G104cch1n0 | thanks |
| 20:51.32 | biggeruniverse | np :) |
| 20:52.16 | biggeruniverse | That I do not know |
| 20:52.18 | blast007 | if you saved the output to a file, you can pass it as "bzfs -conf NameOfYourConfig.conf" |
| 20:52.33 | blast007 | of course, that's the most basic form of that |
| 20:52.35 | G104cch1n0 | I have run it |
| 20:52.39 | biggeruniverse | yay |
| 20:52.40 | blast007 | you might have to specify paths |
| 20:52.41 | G104cch1n0 | but it said : |
| 20:52.41 | G104cch1n0 | Note: no acceleration limit has been set. Players using "mouse |
| 20:52.41 | G104cch1n0 | enhancements" may cause problems on this server due to very high |
| 20:52.42 | G104cch1n0 | acceleration rates which are not handled well by dead reckoning |
| 20:52.42 | G104cch1n0 | algorithms. To eliminate this warning, set the -a switch in your |
| 20:52.42 | G104cch1n0 | configuration. '-a 50 38' is recommended for standard-speed servers. |
| 20:52.44 | G104cch1n0 | Higher speed servers will need higher values for -a in order to not |
| 20:52.46 | G104cch1n0 | affect gameplay. '-a 0 0' may be used to shut this message up without |
| 20:52.48 | G104cch1n0 | affecting any players, including those using "mouse enhancements". |
| 20:52.53 | blast007 | yup |
| 20:52.59 | blast007 | you can pretty much ignore that |
| 20:53.10 | blast007 | or add this to the end of your config: |
| 20:53.12 | blast007 | -a 0 0 |
| 20:53.14 | G104cch1n0 | but the server is running or not ? |
| 20:53.20 | blast007 | server is running |
| 20:53.22 | biggeruniverse | I don't see it |
| 20:53.27 | biggeruniverse | what port? |
| 20:53.36 | G104cch1n0 | I try to connect on it from my bsflag ? |
| 20:53.38 | G104cch1n0 | hem |
| 20:53.39 | biggeruniverse | yes |
| 20:53.42 | G104cch1n0 | bzflag |
| 20:54.09 | G104cch1n0 | I use the ip 127.0.0.1 ?? |
| 20:54.49 | biggeruniverse | yes |
| 20:55.19 | G104cch1n0 | it work |
| 20:55.22 | G104cch1n0 | but isnt the map |
| 20:55.26 | biggeruniverse | hmm |
| 20:55.31 | G104cch1n0 | is the default map |
| 20:55.40 | biggeruniverse | I think it could not find your map |
| 20:55.45 | blast007 | likely |
| 20:56.12 | G104cch1n0 | I have a idea |
| 20:56.36 | G104cch1n0 | I delete the dafault map and rename the mode map with her name ? |
| 20:56.38 | G104cch1n0 | it eork ? |
| 20:56.42 | biggeruniverse | perhaps |
| 20:56.45 | blast007 | there is no "default map file" |
| 20:56.51 | blast007 | it is randomly generated by bzfs itself |
| 20:56.58 | G104cch1n0 | azz |
| 20:57.05 | biggeruniverse | o_O |
| 20:57.39 | CBG | Hmm, I thought that too, but one time I started bzfs without defining any map file, etc, and I got a very symmetrical map. |
| 20:57.46 | G104cch1n0 | hI had set it by the web gui and I had save the confuguartion |
| 20:57.54 | blast007 | CBG: there are different methods I think |
| 20:57.56 | CBG | It was certainly not random - a grid of cuboids. |
| 20:58.04 | blast007 | was it CTF? |
| 20:58.23 | CBG | Yes |
| 20:58.29 | CBG | 4 team, too. |
| 20:59.08 | blast007 | -b When -c is supplied, this option randomly rotates the buildings. |
| 20:59.37 | biggeruniverse | G104cch1n0, ok, but did you give the full path? |
| 20:59.44 | blast007 | -c itself might do the symmetrical map |
| 20:59.51 | CBG | Hmm, maybe. |
| 20:59.57 | CBG | And maybe -cr makes it random. |
| 21:00.06 | G104cch1n0 | <biggeruniverse> G104cch1n0, ok, but did you give the full path? yes |
| 21:00.07 | blast007 | ah |
| 21:00.13 | biggeruniverse | hmm |
| 21:00.19 | G104cch1n0 | I now try to set it bya the bzsf.conf |
| 21:00.32 | CBG | yeah, cr is ctf + random map. That's probably it. |
| 21:00.38 | biggeruniverse | bya -> via? |
| 21:00.40 | blast007 | CBG: yeah, didn't scroll down that far in the man page ;) |
| 21:00.43 | CBG | So it does seem to use a default map if you use just -c |
| 21:00.48 | CBG | blast007: :) |
| 21:01.02 | CBG | I remembered it... :| |
| 21:01.11 | CBG | Had to check it's to be sure though. |
| 21:01.24 | G104cch1n0 | I set it by consolle |
| 21:01.33 | blast007 | CBG: I never run CTF though ;) |
| 21:01.45 | CBG | blast007: I rarely run anything. :| |
| 21:02.05 | CBG | Just tend to remember stuff like that, as opposed to anything I ever get asked in an exam... |
| 21:02.07 | G104cch1n0 | it ask to me callsing |
| 21:06.23 | G104cch1n0 | I had configure it from file but it use the dfault map only.. |
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| 21:10.02 | blast007 | G104cch1n0: do a simple test, like this: |
| 21:10.18 | blast007 | bzfs -world "C:\Path\To\Your\Map.bzw" |
| 21:10.24 | blast007 | then connect to 127.0.0.1 on port 5154 |
| 21:12.16 | G104cch1n0 | i go to try |
| 21:14.02 | G104cch1n0 | I try |
| 21:14.07 | G104cch1n0 | I go to try to game |
| 21:14.47 | G104cch1n0 | wov it work!! |
| 21:14.47 | G104cch1n0 | thanks |
| 21:14.47 | tannerld | :) |
| 21:14.47 | G104cch1n0 | thanks |
| 21:14.58 | G104cch1n0 | now in the italy can game at bsflag |
| 21:15.20 | CBG | :)\ |
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| 21:15.42 | G104cch1n0 | because in italy isnt possible to play with the US server we have 1s of lag!!!!!!!! |
| 21:15.53 | CBG | :( |
| 21:16.00 | G104cch1n0 | I go to forwarding the port |
| 21:16.54 | G104cch1n0 | how to appear my server on the public list server ?? |
| 21:17.07 | CBG | -public "My Server Rocks" |
| 21:17.59 | G104cch1n0 | you can try my server at |
| 21:18.14 | G104cch1n0 | romahome.no-ip.org port: 5154 |
| 21:19.23 | CBG | Error connecting. :( |
| 21:19.55 | G104cch1n0 | itmmmmmmmm |
| 21:20.07 | G104cch1n0 | I restart it but it had the hold settings.. |
| 21:20.08 | CBG | nI can connect with your IP address. |
| 21:20.21 | CBG | but not with romahome.no-ip.org |
| 21:20.42 | G104cch1n0 | try now |
| 21:21.08 | G104cch1n0 | on the servcer is a other user |
| 21:21.11 | G104cch1n0 | cannon ball guy |
| 21:21.14 | CBG | it's me |
| 21:23.24 | G104cch1n0 | ehhehe |
| 21:23.34 | G104cch1n0 | how to save the config ?? |
| 21:23.46 | CBG | save in a plain text file |
| 21:23.52 | CBG | as something.conf |
| 21:26.18 | G104cch1n0 | it nont work |
| 21:26.23 | G104cch1n0 | I have a good idea |
| 21:26.45 | G104cch1n0 | I make a shell scrip bz.bat |
| 21:26.58 | G104cch1n0 | and I when I want start the server execute it |
| 21:37.17 | CBG | cool |
| 21:41.13 | G104cch1n0 | ok it work |
| 21:41.25 | G104cch1n0 | now it work ok |
| 21:43.03 | G104cch1n0 | I try to find it on public list |
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| 21:44.50 | G104cch1n0 | yes ita appears but |
| 21:45.11 | G104cch1n0 | appera the ip not romahome.no-ip.org |
| 21:45.30 | G104cch1n0 | importantly is the work |
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| 21:45.43 | G104cch1n0 | it work now is a server itlian vith little lag |
| 21:45.49 | yosefk | hello |
| 21:46.36 | CBG | -publicaddr romahome.no-ip.org:5154 |
| 21:46.42 | CBG | G104cch1n0: add this option too |
| 21:49.02 | G104cch1n0 | how to aument the speed of thank ? |
| 21:49.15 | G104cch1n0 | I had add it |
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| 21:52.54 | G104cch1n0 | please you can connect on my server ?? |
| 21:53.41 | G104cch1n0 | I want active the flag |
| 21:53.53 | G104cch1n0 | wats add at the bat file ? |
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| 22:18.29 | amathis | hola |
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| 22:23.22 | amathis | how can I get a list of all ops of this channel? |
| 22:25.51 | L4m3r | start swearing. J/K. :P |
| 22:25.56 | blast007 | heh |
| 22:31.48 | JeffM2501 | anyone with an @ |
| 22:32.12 | biggeruniverse | I got on |
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