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| 00:51.07 | [NP]Tangent | k, my hands are all torn up now |
| 00:51.21 | [NP]Tangent | I hope I put these jumpers on right |
| 00:51.49 | [NP]Tangent | a P2 mobo and a Celeron mobo look the same with jumpers, but the P4 mobo has the jumpers different |
| 00:51.52 | [NP]Tangent | grrrr |
| 00:51.59 | [NP]Tangent | thank god for labels |
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| 02:06.40 | [NP]Tangent | alright |
| 02:06.43 | [NP]Tangent | the computer is almost together |
| 02:06.48 | [NP]Tangent | just need to put the case back together |
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| 02:36.50 | biggeruniverse | heya |
| 02:39.48 | biggeruniverse | hmm |
| 02:45.04 | michael222 | beeeyyya |
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| 02:49.04 | spldart | new server tadd.dynalias.org:5154 is bot Ho_ing to the top just to kill a million and get crazy mad score.. noone can play cuz only observer positions are open. Do we still have nothing we can do about people who get on first page of servers with this tactic? |
| 02:51.47 | blast007 | was it just a player though brought them in? |
| 02:52.37 | blast007 | one would think that if someone wanted to bring the server onto the first page that they would leave some slots free so people can play ;) |
| 02:53.59 | spldart | hrm... |
| 02:54.00 | spldart | well |
| 02:54.28 | spldart | then the problem might be that someone can come in with enough boughts that the remaining players cannot vote off the bots or original player |
| 02:54.37 | spldart | s/bots/boughts |
| 02:54.47 | spldart | we tried :( |
| 02:55.45 | spldart | do bots count to poll ratio? |
| 02:56.04 | spldart | it seemed like they do |
| 02:58.13 | blast007 | spldart: no, seems it was him |
| 02:58.16 | blast007 | tadd |
| 02:58.34 | blast007 | but he wasn't trying to wh*re up the list |
| 02:58.37 | blast007 | just being silly |
| 02:58.55 | blast007 | he had the bots spawn inside a box ;) then had lots of SR |
| 02:59.38 | spldart | I figured he was score wh'ing... he was in the 500+ range when I left 8-0 |
| 03:00.28 | spldart | meh.... I'm not bugged.. but it would be nice when one of the alternative server list interfaces is instituted |
| 03:00.52 | blast007 | I just run the list through a local filter |
| 03:01.03 | blast007 | I can remove any server I don't like from showing on my list :) |
| 03:01.04 | spldart | ooOOoo... do tell |
| 03:01.19 | blast007 | it's just a PHP script that runs locally |
| 03:01.37 | blast007 | I direct my client at the local webserver instead of the main list |
| 03:05.56 | spldart | I need to learn.... must learn more |
| 03:06.05 | biggeruniverse | should servers have karma like players will? |
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| 03:06.24 | blast007 | biggeruniverse: oh yeah, cuz karma will solve everything |
| 03:06.34 | biggeruniverse | ~biggeruniverse++ |
| 03:06.48 | biggeruniverse | apparently not self-love |
| 03:06.57 | spldart | ~karma spldart |
| 03:06.57 | ibot | spldart has karma of 4 |
| 03:07.00 | spldart | woah |
| 03:07.17 | biggeruniverse | ~karma biggeruniverse |
| 03:07.17 | ibot | biggeruniverse has neutral karma |
| 03:07.19 | biggeruniverse | hehe |
| 03:07.24 | biggeruniverse | I like it that way |
| 03:07.28 | biggeruniverse | I'm a big fat zero |
| 03:07.29 | spldart | I've been at like neutral karma from early last year to a month or two ago 8-0 |
| 03:08.27 | biggeruniverse | ~spldart++ |
| 03:08.32 | spldart | Ah!!!!!! |
| 03:08.39 | biggeruniverse | ~karma spldart |
| 03:08.39 | ibot | spldart has karma of 5 |
| 03:08.46 | spldart | nighty night and thanks |
| 03:08.47 | biggeruniverse | nice |
| 03:08.50 | biggeruniverse | np |
| 03:08.56 | biggeruniverse | ~ibot++ |
| 03:08.59 | biggeruniverse | ~karma ibot |
| 03:08.59 | ibot | ibot has karma of 17 |
| 03:09.05 | spldart | ~biggeruniverse++ |
| 03:09.08 | biggeruniverse | you're so much cooler than me |
| 03:09.54 | biggeruniverse | can you karma someone more than once? |
| 03:11.39 | biggeruniverse | blast007: ratings systems are essential on the internet. too many geeks without social (group-interaction) capabilities |
| 03:11.46 | biggeruniverse | heh |
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| 03:47.28 | [NP]Tangent | um yeah. so has a motherboard ever been known to fry Power supplies? |
| 03:47.55 | PuMpErNiCkEl | Maybe if the grounding was a bit off. |
| 03:49.10 | [NP]Tangent | cuz this would be twice that I've had a power supply mysteriously not work after coming in contact with this motherboard |
| 03:49.11 | L4m3r | more often it's the other way around |
| 03:49.24 | [NP]Tangent | never use something originally distributed by HP :-\ |
| 03:49.37 | L4m3r | but if the mobo has a short someplace it could very well be killing the PSU |
| 03:49.53 | [NP]Tangent | well, that might be it |
| 03:49.58 | [NP]Tangent | the mobo used to be very dirty |
| 03:50.04 | [NP]Tangent | came out of parents' computer |
| 03:50.16 | [NP]Tangent | and HP computers have a nice habit of getting a lot of dust inside |
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| 03:51.11 | [NP]Tangent | oh well |
| 03:51.16 | [NP]Tangent | it's not that important |
| 03:51.18 | [NP]Tangent | I've got a P2 box |
| 03:51.32 | [NP]Tangent | I just wanted a WinXP machine running so that I could VNC to it to use FL |
| 03:51.35 | [NP]Tangent | but I can live without it |
| 03:51.49 | [NP]Tangent | because for the money I'd spend on a new computer, I could just buy a Roland Fantom Xa |
| 03:51.56 | [NP]Tangent | which I'd rather have than the computer |
| 03:52.37 | purple_cow | it could be the motherboard is trying to draw more power than the PS can source |
| 03:52.47 | [NP]Tangent | purple_cow, nothing happens |
| 03:52.56 | [NP]Tangent | I plug it in to turn it on, and the fan doesn't even start spinning |
| 03:53.22 | PuMpErNiCkEl | Do you get beep codes or LED signals from the mobo? |
| 03:54.11 | [NP]Tangent | no |
| 03:54.27 | [NP]Tangent | nothing at all |
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| 04:06.55 | biggeruniverse | does it click? |
| 04:07.03 | biggeruniverse | tick tick tick tick tick |
| 04:07.07 | biggeruniverse | etc |
| 04:07.10 | biggeruniverse | that's a short |
| 04:07.45 | biggeruniverse | like the mobo touching the case |
| 04:10.57 | biggeruniverse | and is there anyone around with a 2.1 client to test a patch with me? |
| 04:11.29 | Flash | here I am (but I have no mouse so I suck |
| 04:12.07 | biggeruniverse | that's ok, I need that |
| 04:12.09 | biggeruniverse | too |
| 04:12.10 | biggeruniverse | heh |
| 04:12.31 | biggeruniverse | ok, I'm not too familiar with server, so I need a little help first |
| 04:12.44 | biggeruniverse | how do I set shot count for geno? |
| 04:13.54 | biggeruniverse | ~Flash++ |
| 04:14.21 | biggeruniverse | who says you have to reward the people who know everything? |
| 04:14.29 | Flash | lol |
| 04:14.32 | PuMpErNiCkEl | The people who know everything say that. |
| 04:14.40 | PuMpErNiCkEl | And since they know everything, I assume they're right about that. |
| 04:14.46 | biggeruniverse | sounds like a conspiracy |
| 04:14.55 | biggeruniverse | I think not |
| 04:15.03 | [NP]Tangent | CONSPIRACY! |
| 04:15.26 | biggeruniverse | If I knew everything, I should know that I don't know everything. |
| 04:15.45 | PuMpErNiCkEl | PARADOX! |
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| 04:16.01 | biggeruniverse | we had a party while you were gone |
| 04:16.06 | master_tux | yea sure |
| 04:16.10 | biggeruniverse | haha |
| 04:16.15 | biggeruniverse | you'll never know |
| 04:16.15 | master_tux | :p |
| 04:16.25 | blast007 | I seem to miss all the parties |
| 04:16.29 | blast007 | and I'm always here |
| 04:16.33 | biggeruniverse | exactly |
| 04:16.36 | master_tux | hmm |
| 04:16.44 | biggeruniverse | if you were gone, we'd have a party |
| 04:16.44 | master_tux | vooshade |
| 04:17.28 | master_tux | Death comes unexpectedly. |
| 04:17.39 | biggeruniverse | to those who don't expect it |
| 04:17.47 | master_tux | uhh |
| 04:17.49 | master_tux | yea |
| 04:17.57 | blast007 | well, you usually expect it when you're in the train tunnel, and there's a bright light all of a sudden |
| 04:18.13 | biggeruniverse | why? nothing says it's a train |
| 04:18.36 | blast007 | the whistle does |
| 04:18.41 | blast007 | w000t w00000t |
| 04:18.41 | master_tux | umm |
| 04:18.46 | biggeruniverse | you didn't mention it before |
| 04:18.47 | master_tux | it could be a dude |
| 04:18.50 | master_tux | who whistles |
| 04:18.53 | biggeruniverse | heh |
| 04:18.54 | master_tux | 0_o |
| 04:19.01 | biggeruniverse | I say w00t a lot |
| 04:19.08 | master_tux | but then you find the dude has an uzi |
| 04:19.12 | master_tux | and BAM |
| 04:19.14 | master_tux | death |
| 04:19.15 | Flash | biggeruniverse: +f g count |
| 04:19.21 | biggeruniverse | ah, thx |
| 04:19.28 | biggeruniverse | really? |
| 04:19.36 | biggeruniverse | that's not just how many G flags? |
| 04:19.45 | Flash | isn't that what you asked for? |
| 04:19.52 | biggeruniverse | no, how many shots it has |
| 04:19.56 | Flash | oh. doh |
| 04:19.59 | biggeruniverse | heh |
| 04:20.01 | Flash | ~Flash-- |
| 04:20.03 | biggeruniverse | ~Flash++ |
| 04:20.10 | biggeruniverse | points for trying |
| 04:20.12 | master_tux | ~death |
| 04:20.28 | ibot | hmm... death is what happens when you don't /msg, or the opposite of life |
| 04:20.28 | master_tux | :( |
| 04:20.28 | biggeruniverse | -- |
| 04:20.28 | master_tux | ~kudos |
| 04:20.30 | biggeruniverse | ~:(-- |
| 04:20.30 | biggeruniverse | heh |
| 04:20.34 | master_tux | wtf |
| 04:20.37 | master_tux | 0_0 |
| 04:20.41 | biggeruniverse | ~karma ibot |
| 04:20.41 | ibot | ibot has karma of 17 |
| 04:20.48 | biggeruniverse | see? ibot must know everything |
| 04:20.52 | master_tux | ~i dont like you |
| 04:20.54 | ibot | You dont like you? |
| 04:20.58 | master_tux | 0_o |
| 04:20.59 | biggeruniverse | haha |
| 04:21.02 | master_tux | its retarted |
| 04:21.09 | biggeruniverse | seems precient |
| 04:21.19 | biggeruniverse | ~#botpark |
| 04:21.27 | biggeruniverse | *prescient |
| 04:21.30 | master_tux | ~g-spot |
| 04:21.31 | ibot | a spot with a g in it |
| 04:21.35 | master_tux | lmfao |
| 04:21.55 | blast007 | yeah, I would recommend against doing stuff like that |
| 04:21.58 | blast007 | really |
| 04:22.07 | master_tux | ~ibot |
| 04:22.08 | ibot | ibot is probably a blootbot written in perl run by TimRiker on his server. logs on http://ibot.rikers.org/<chan>/ , ibot, jbot, apt are all the same process. It uses sqlite, but mysql or other SQL storage is also supported. |
| 04:22.09 | biggeruniverse | the problem with bzchat is that there is no one there |
| 04:22.21 | blast007 | master_tux: take it to #botpark |
| 04:22.22 | master_tux | mysql! |
| 04:22.25 | master_tux | :( |
| 04:22.27 | master_tux | fine |
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| 04:25.52 | biggeruniverse | ~seen ts |
| 04:26.13 | ibot | ts <n=ts@p54B01DAF.dip0.t-ipconnect.de> was last seen on IRC in channel #bzflag, 11h 51m 14s ago, saying: 'I think bzrobots is this thing they use on that unversity for teaching but I'm not sure'. |
| 04:26.14 | biggeruniverse | wake up! |
| 04:26.32 | biggeruniverse | hmm |
| 04:26.52 | master_tux | ~seen Think_Differentl |
| 04:27.01 | ibot | think_differentl <n=Think_Di@pool-70-21-110-93.res.east.verizon.net> was last seen on IRC in channel #bzflag, 16d 1h 31m 56s ago, saying: '::P'. |
| 04:27.07 | master_tux | lol |
| 04:27.53 | biggeruniverse | there's a jitter/timekeeper problem with amd64 |
| 04:27.58 | master_tux | fuck amd |
| 04:28.03 | master_tux | intel chipset < |
| 04:28.04 | blast007 | master_tux: watch the language |
| 04:28.10 | master_tux | excuse me :( |
| 04:28.10 | biggeruniverse | dude, be serious |
| 04:28.28 | biggeruniverse | go tell the bots about your mother |
| 04:28.33 | blast007 | biggeruniverse: is it an issue with pre-build packages? |
| 04:28.37 | a_meteorite | ... |
| 04:28.40 | blast007 | built* |
| 04:28.41 | biggeruniverse | no, I compile |
| 04:28.51 | blast007 | what kind of problem is it exactly? |
| 04:28.53 | biggeruniverse | 2.1.10-dev |
| 04:29.19 | biggeruniverse | when compiled with -)2 |
| 04:29.23 | biggeruniverse | *-O2 |
| 04:29.31 | a_meteorite | make sure it's not -02 |
| 04:29.34 | a_meteorite | ;) |
| 04:29.35 | blast007 | that itself might be the problem |
| 04:29.37 | blast007 | heh |
| 04:29.37 | biggeruniverse | :P |
| 04:29.47 | a_meteorite | I made that mistake once |
| 04:30.02 | biggeruniverse | nope, it's doing it now too |
| 04:30.09 | biggeruniverse | I recompiled without it |
| 04:30.11 | a_meteorite | blast007: I compile -O3 |
| 04:30.22 | a_meteorite | I'm an optimization freak |
| 04:30.24 | blast007 | I just compile whatever the default is |
| 04:30.28 | a_meteorite | who needs to get larted |
| 04:30.39 | blast007 | I don't need an extra 2% performance |
| 04:30.58 | Flash | biggeruniverse: -sl |
| 04:30.58 | a_meteorite | "Now with 2% more performance and 200% more crashes!" |
| 04:32.34 | Flash | -sl G 99 ;-) |
| 04:32.58 | biggeruniverse | ~Flash++ |
| 04:33.25 | blast007 | s/99/5/ |
| 04:37.04 | biggeruniverse | hmm |
| 04:37.14 | biggeruniverse | seg fault on deleting explosions... |
| 04:37.16 | biggeruniverse | oh. |
| 04:37.23 | biggeruniverse | I think I put that there... |
| 04:37.43 | Flash | biggeruniverse: you got my hopes up for nothing... |
| 04:38.12 | biggeruniverse | ? |
| 04:39.43 | Flash | you wanted a 2.1 client to test... |
| 04:42.02 | biggeruniverse | yes |
| 04:42.06 | biggeruniverse | can you? |
| 04:42.17 | biggeruniverse | give me a sec |
| 04:42.33 | biggeruniverse | do you see jerome.biggeruniverse.com in the list? |
| 04:42.59 | blast007 | it's not on the list |
| 04:43.06 | biggeruniverse | grrr |
| 04:43.10 | biggeruniverse | it was yesterday! |
| 04:43.18 | biggeruniverse | or maybe spldart just typed it... |
| 04:43.32 | Flash | I'm not seeing any list :-( |
| 04:43.51 | blast007 | biggeruniverse: you can get the whole list here: http://my.bzflag.org/db/?action=LIST |
| 04:43.54 | blast007 | that will show all versions |
| 04:44.59 | blast007 | I think -dddd will show listserver errors |
| 04:45.17 | biggeruniverse | ok |
| 04:45.28 | biggeruniverse | my lag stats look like this: |
| 04:45.37 | biggeruniverse | 7 +- 20ms |
| 04:45.38 | Flash | I can connect to bzflag.swordofkahless.com (the last one I was at) but I see nothing in the list |
| 04:45.40 | biggeruniverse | that's bad |
| 04:46.07 | blast007 | 20ms of jitter is pretty high |
| 04:46.39 | Flash | biggeruniverse: what port? |
| 04:46.58 | biggeruniverse | 5154 |
| 04:47.11 | Flash | I got disconnected |
| 04:47.31 | biggeruniverse | blast007: yeah, it randomly jitters the screen forward quite a lot, like it's compensating for time not lost |
| 04:47.41 | biggeruniverse | (forward in "time") |
| 04:47.56 | biggeruniverse | Flash: I restarted it |
| 04:54.41 | tadd | biggeruniverse, are you still looking for a 2.10 user? |
| 04:54.46 | biggeruniverse | yes |
| 04:54.51 | biggeruniverse | jerome.biggeruniverse.com |
| 04:54.54 | biggeruniverse | join as purple |
| 04:54.59 | tadd | ok. |
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| 04:56.40 | Ck_asdf | hey all |
| 04:56.45 | biggeruniverse | he |
| 04:57.48 | biggeruniverse | oops |
| 04:58.04 | biggeruniverse | seg fault |
| 04:58.13 | Ck_asdf | I've gotten that a few times ... what's it mean? |
| 04:58.36 | Flash | that was impressive... NONE of the (2) flags worked! |
| 04:58.41 | biggeruniverse | hehe |
| 04:59.02 | biggeruniverse | seg fault? it means you tried to access a memory address that was out of bounds |
| 04:59.24 | biggeruniverse | Flash: the geno one is a known bug |
| 04:59.48 | Ck_asdf | ah ... like one time, it seemed no matter what, I'd get that error if I ran bzflag in observer mode |
| 05:00.51 | tadd | hello CK |
| 05:00.57 | Ck_asdf | hey |
| 05:01.14 | Ck_asdf | how weird ... my pda's screen flashed on, and then turned off again |
| 05:01.43 | biggeruniverse | that was me |
| 05:01.48 | Ck_asdf | oh, okay |
| 05:01.52 | biggeruniverse | not really |
| 05:01.53 | Ck_asdf | what were you looking for? ;) |
| 05:02.01 | tadd | light? |
| 05:02.04 | Ck_asdf | hehehehe |
| 05:02.05 | biggeruniverse | heh |
| 05:02.06 | Ck_asdf | oh, that's it |
| 05:02.16 | Ck_asdf | well, use the light all ya want - just don't use ALL the battery, if ya can. |
| 05:02.29 | Ck_asdf | I might need it for something later. |
| 05:02.31 | Ck_asdf | :D |
| 05:03.47 | biggeruniverse | oops. I caused the seg fault |
| 05:03.49 | biggeruniverse | hmm |
| 05:03.57 | Ck_asdf | what are ya all doing? |
| 05:04.11 | biggeruniverse | testing the last-shot patch I wrote |
| 05:04.24 | Ck_asdf | cool, can I help? |
| 05:04.32 | biggeruniverse | do you have 2.1 client? |
| 05:04.42 | Ck_asdf | where might I find one (for Linux)? |
| 05:04.54 | biggeruniverse | you'll have to get it from CVS and compile it |
| 05:05.34 | Ck_asdf | ah ... I'm not all that knowledgeable about using CVS & compiling stuff ... I'm still learning about Linux (been using Windows for so many years) |
| 05:05.44 | biggeruniverse | ah |
| 05:05.59 | biggeruniverse | well, all the same, let me know when you figure it out ;) |
| 05:06.07 | Ck_asdf | I shall ... perhaps some day. hehe |
| 05:06.34 | Ck_asdf | I saw some screenshots on some web site ... from Jeff's point of view. |
| 05:06.40 | Ck_asdf | The new stuff looks neat. |
| 05:06.50 | Ck_asdf | 'Specially the round focus thing. |
| 05:07.28 | brlcad | if you're on linux, getting the sources and compiling is actually not that hard at all -- there's a guide on bzbb that takes you step by step |
| 05:08.06 | Ck_asdf | could I set it up separate from my stable version? |
| 05:08.18 | biggeruniverse | yes |
| 05:08.24 | Ck_asdf | coolness |
| 05:08.28 | biggeruniverse | just keep it in a separate directory |
| 05:08.36 | Ck_asdf | might you have a quick link to the thread, brlcad? |
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| 05:09.11 | brlcad | it's one of the static annoncement threads at the top |
| 05:09.13 | brlcad | forget which forum |
| 05:09.15 | Flash | I have 3 BZflags on my machine: release, 2.0.9 and 2.1 |
| 05:09.19 | Ck_asdf | k, cool |
| 05:09.35 | Ck_asdf | I'll look around when I get some time. |
| 05:10.11 | brlcad | you probably won't get much out of the 2.1 cvs version as that's pretty much developer-only -- it's not compatible with existing servers |
| 05:10.39 | brlcad | so all the nifty stuff is just that.. nifty to see but overall not much use to players until the official release is made |
| 05:10.45 | brlcad | and servers are upgraded |
| 05:11.03 | Ck_asdf | does it have any new features to try out locally, until release? |
| 05:11.25 | biggeruniverse | there are servers, but no one is ever on |
| 05:11.39 | Ck_asdf | coolio |
| 05:11.51 | a_meteorite | I'm on if I'm available and asked |
| 05:12.03 | Ck_asdf | groovy |
| 05:12.45 | Ck_asdf | anyway, I suppose it's time for bed anyway. exams this week, and all that "fun" stuff. peace out, have a good evening, and thanks for the info |
| 05:12.51 | a_meteorite | yay.. exams |
| 05:12.53 | a_meteorite | cya |
| 05:12.56 | Ck_asdf | I'll check out the bzbb later, to check out the fun stuff. |
| 05:13.06 | Ck_asdf | yeah, DC/AC exam's gonna kill me. :( |
| 05:13.53 | Ck_asdf | the other two (trig & digital) will most likely also be difficult, but I think I can get by those without MUCH trouble. |
| 05:14.08 | biggeruniverse | study hard |
| 05:14.12 | Ck_asdf | anywho ... peace and stuff. I shall try. |
| 05:14.26 | Ck_asdf | I've been making note pages, and stuff, so I cna more effectively study. :P |
| 05:14.28 | Ck_asdf | *can |
| 05:14.57 | a_meteorite | at least we have open note tests |
| 05:15.14 | a_meteorite | scored the highest in the class cause my note taking skills are good... mind you this isn't college though |
| 05:15.14 | Ck_asdf | yeah, two pages of notes for dc/ac |
| 05:15.20 | Ck_asdf | but ... that's not much for a whole semester of stuff |
| 05:16.01 | Ck_asdf | hey, meteorite ... care to review my text book (which is online), and make some wicked awesome notes for me? ;) |
| 05:16.06 | Ck_asdf | haha |
| 05:17.11 | a_meteorite | lol |
| 05:17.19 | a_meteorite | I wouldn't understand it to be able to make decent notes |
| 05:17.43 | Ck_asdf | heh, yeah ... but you might make better notes than me, knowing my note-taking skills (or lack thereof) |
| 05:17.44 | Ck_asdf | hehe |
| 05:18.15 | biggeruniverse | ok. the seg fault was my meddling |
| 05:18.22 | Ck_asdf | what'd you do to it? |
| 05:18.25 | a_meteorite | biggeruniverse: happens all the time |
| 05:18.28 | Ck_asdf | throw a wrench in the mix? |
| 05:18.34 | Ck_asdf | *in the gears? |
| 05:20.18 | brlcad | ciao |
| 05:20.19 | biggeruniverse | bella |
| 05:20.29 | Ck_asdf | hm ... wonders about http serving... |
| 05:20.50 | a_meteorite | how come all the good libraries have a lack of documentation? |
| 05:21.01 | biggeruniverse | that's how you know they're good |
| 05:21.05 | Ck_asdf | because those who are good at what they do are lazy in everythign else they do ;) |
| 05:21.11 | Flash | everything is going on-line anyway |
| 05:21.25 | a_meteorite | like libdbi and mysql++ |
| 05:21.40 | Flash | oh.... not that kind of library? |
| 05:21.41 | a_meteorite | I gave up on libdbi cause I don't got a degree in programming to understand it |
| 05:22.03 | biggeruniverse | why would you need it? |
| 05:22.04 | a_meteorite | for a plugin |
| 05:22.06 | Flash | a_meteorite: if you think you need a degree, it must be badly written |
| 05:22.23 | biggeruniverse | use python? |
| 05:22.27 | Flash | well written code should be straightforward to comprehend |
| 05:22.34 | a_meteorite | Flash: it's really powerful, but I don't understand a lot of the higher C things (such as pointers) and not so good at OOP stuff in C++ |
| 05:22.41 | a_meteorite | I'm sure anyone else could |
| 05:22.53 | Ck_asdf | *waves as he rides off into the sunset* |
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| 05:23.02 | a_meteorite | biggeruniverse: the python plugin isn't maintained, so no I don't want to use it |
| 05:23.03 | Flash | ok; pointers aren't really "higher C" stuff, so I see where you are coming from |
| 05:23.12 | a_meteorite | Flash: for me it is :) |
| 05:23.17 | Flash | got it |
| 05:23.22 | Flash | what do you want? |
| 05:23.52 | a_meteorite | a database implementation in a plugin for something that I don |
| 05:23.54 | a_meteorite | a database implementation in a plugin for something that I don't want everyone to know about.. ;) |
| 05:24.01 | biggeruniverse | CONSPIRACY! |
| 05:24.01 | Flash | ;-) |
| 05:24.20 | a_meteorite | hey, conspiracies are cool |
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| 05:24.29 | biggeruniverse | the CIA is here <.< |
| 05:24.30 | blast007 | a_meteorite: I had the start of some MySQL plugin that used the MySQL C library |
| 05:24.39 | biggeruniverse | that one's better |
| 05:24.52 | a_meteorite | blah, I almost killed MySQL's C API |
| 05:25.04 | a_meteorite | a lot of shortcomings... |
| 05:25.06 | blast007 | why? :) |
| 05:25.13 | biggeruniverse | I wrote an entire add-on to mysql that hooked into the replication code and made it services-enabled |
| 05:25.21 | a_meteorite | :o |
| 05:25.27 | blast007 | well, it's to communicate with MySQL, not be a fully featured abstraction layer |
| 05:25.29 | biggeruniverse | I should have submitted it to mysql dev team... |
| 05:25.59 | a_meteorite | blast007: true, but it definitely needs to be easy to maintain in the future |
| 05:25.59 | biggeruniverse | But I wrote it on company time, so can't do that. |
| 05:26.21 | a_meteorite | biggeruniverse: licensing issues, eh? |
| 05:26.31 | biggeruniverse | got to be careful with those |
| 05:26.36 | a_meteorite | yeah |
| 05:26.45 | a_meteorite | replicate it in your personal time ;) |
| 05:26.55 | biggeruniverse | too much time |
| 05:26.59 | a_meteorite | hehe |
| 05:28.02 | biggeruniverse | you should see my bz4j project |
| 05:28.05 | biggeruniverse | heh |
| 05:28.08 | a_meteorite | bz4j? |
| 05:28.12 | biggeruniverse | that's a time sink |
| 05:28.17 | biggeruniverse | I rewrote bzflag in java |
| 05:28.25 | a_meteorite | :o |
| 05:28.30 | a_meteorite | you're a crazy dude :P |
| 05:28.47 | biggeruniverse | it used to be able to talk with the servers, before the last breakage |
| 05:29.04 | a_meteorite | if only I had a real education in programming... too all-around general guy |
| 05:29.11 | a_meteorite | heh, 1.x? |
| 05:29.13 | biggeruniverse | anyway, it used different physics, so the dead reckoning was shot |
| 05:29.16 | biggeruniverse | yeah |
| 05:29.29 | a_meteorite | how'd it play? |
| 05:29.34 | biggeruniverse | it plays nice |
| 05:29.43 | biggeruniverse | it's based on a game engine I'm working on |
| 05:29.57 | a_meteorite | it wasn't slow in java? |
| 05:29.57 | biggeruniverse | I might submit the tank model to the bzflag project |
| 05:29.59 | biggeruniverse | no |
| 05:30.11 | biggeruniverse | go look at lwjgl |
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| 05:45.37 | Flash | if a bot hugs you back, is it sincere? |
| 05:46.19 | biggeruniverse | no |
| 05:46.38 | biggeruniverse | if it hugs you first, that's different |
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| 05:51.11 | a_meteorite | I want a bot that hugs me first |
| 05:51.29 | biggeruniverse | I don't like the mountains |
| 05:51.51 | biggeruniverse | by |
| 05:51.53 | biggeruniverse | bye |
| 05:58.57 | biggeruniverse | uh oh |
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| 06:03.17 | biggeruniverse | can StateDatabase only have one callback per variable? |
| 06:03.31 | biggeruniverse | no |
| 06:03.44 | biggeruniverse | ok bood |
| 06:03.46 | biggeruniverse | *good |
| 06:03.51 | biggeruniverse | ~biggeruniverse++ |
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| 06:12.05 | biggeruniverse | I'm appalled |
| 06:12.12 | biggeruniverse | ok then |
| 06:21.07 | biggeruniverse | yay |
| 06:30.24 | biggeruniverse | devs? |
| 06:30.41 | biggeruniverse | ~devs |
| 06:30.45 | ibot | Well, it seems to me that devs are folks that sit around trying to see how they can break something (especially if someone ELSE made it) |
| 06:30.58 | biggeruniverse | I'm a dev! |
| 06:31.01 | biggeruniverse | haha |
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| 06:55.03 | kiksen | i'm having bug #1347673 (can't shoot others on amd64). The workaround mentioned doesn't work for me. Any clues? |
| 07:01.41 | L4m3r | Compiling without SDL did the trick for me |
| 07:01.50 | L4m3r | or without optimization, one of the two |
| 07:02.03 | kiksen | ok, will try. thanks. |
| 07:04.07 | biggeruniverse | w/o opt works |
| 07:04.27 | biggeruniverse | even with optimization in the 2.1 seems to work for me |
| 07:04.45 | biggeruniverse | kinda nice that |
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| 08:53.51 | kiksen | yeah - without opt it works (well - O1, almost no opts :) |
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| 09:07.15 | daniel_jackson | hey manu you there? the list server needs to be reset |
| 09:07.58 | daniel_jackson | anyone here? |
| 09:08.18 | daniel_jackson | please reset the listserver! |
| 09:08.31 | daniel_jackson | its down |
| 09:10.50 | Manu | yes I'm here |
| 09:10.58 | Manu | wait |
| 09:11.25 | daniel_jackson | ok thanks |
| 09:11.31 | Manu | it's working |
| 09:11.36 | daniel_jackson | ok |
| 09:12.08 | daniel_jackson | well no one on boxywar can get a list server |
| 09:12.27 | daniel_jackson | that's already been logged in |
| 09:12.37 | Manu | they must rejoin |
| 09:13.49 | daniel_jackson | ok I'll tell them |
| 09:14.37 | daniel_jackson | I rejoined, but I'm still not getting a list server |
| 09:15.11 | daniel_jackson | do we need to restart our clients? |
| 09:16.12 | Manu | yes, probably |
| 09:16.44 | daniel_jackson | yeah that worked |
| 09:16.49 | daniel_jackson | thank you manu |
| 09:16.54 | Manu | :) |
| 09:17.01 | daniel_jackson | cu later |
| 09:17.05 | Manu | cu |
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| 12:19.53 | ts | ¡Buenas dias Manu! |
| 12:20.04 | Manu | hallo ts :) |
| 12:20.31 | ts | A lot of spam at bzbb..I think the upgrade was useless |
| 12:21.21 | Manu | who knows |
| 12:23.13 | Manu | JefffM told me it was going to change |
| 12:23.34 | Manu | you can't post untill you have played at last once :) |
| 12:24.14 | ts | Heh, one of the typical questions is: Where do I put my username and password to log in? :) |
| 12:24.39 | Manu | you register then you go to play |
| 12:24.53 | Manu | after it you can log in bzbb as usual |
| 12:24.58 | Manu | I don't see any problem |
| 12:25.29 | ts | It will prevent some newbies from playing ;) |
| 12:25.46 | Manu | from playing? no |
| 12:25.50 | ts | 'cause they have no idea of what they are doing ;) |
| 12:26.08 | Manu | newbies can join as they do it actually |
| 12:26.35 | ts | Not if they want to play on server that require registration :p |
| 12:27.10 | Manu | a newbie, register in bzbb at first so he gets his username and password |
| 12:27.27 | Manu | then he login a server and use his username and password, what's the problem |
| 12:27.41 | Manu | simply they can post in the forum untill they play the first time |
| 12:27.48 | Manu | they can't I mean |
| 12:27.48 | ts | They don't know where to put username and password in client |
| 12:27.59 | Manu | well it's like actually |
| 12:28.05 | ts | It has happened several times in the past ;) |
| 12:28.22 | Manu | but this has nothing to do with the spam and posts :/ |
| 12:33.12 | Manu | Java 6 is out |
| 12:33.24 | ts | Not entirely |
| 12:33.29 | Manu | JRE |
| 12:33.35 | ts | partly |
| 12:33.50 | Manu | Sun emailed me and said it |
| 12:34.02 | ts | It's not correct like this |
| 12:34.22 | Manu | jre and jdk is released: http://java.sun.com/javase/downloads/? |
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| 12:34.31 | ts | The new version of JRE is available for some platforms |
| 12:34.42 | Manu | ah |
| 12:35.12 | ts | 10% of the pc market is not covered |
| 12:35.23 | Manu | windows,linux and solaris is out |
| 12:35.31 | Manu | still left freebsd |
| 12:35.32 | Teppic | If there are any mods around, there is a bit of a spam outbreak on the forums. |
| 12:35.47 | Manu | hi Teppic |
| 12:35.53 | Teppic | Hey Manu |
| 12:36.02 | ts | ~wake blast007 |
| 12:36.06 | ibot | ACTION throws a barrel-full of ice water on blast007 and shouts "GOOD MORNING!!!!" |
| 12:36.19 | ts | Let's see whether he'll react now ;) |
| 12:36.53 | Manu | where is the spam ts? |
| 12:36.59 | Manu | may be I'm blind :/ |
| 12:37.07 | ts | Where I can't delete it |
| 12:38.42 | ts | I think it is still automated spam |
| 12:39.25 | Manu | bots probably |
| 12:40.02 | ts | maybe the captcha isn't required to fill out ;) |
| 12:42.28 | Teppic | 3 bots at the same time by looks of it. |
| 12:42.35 | ts | or the forum software is that widespread that spammers wrote a fill out script already |
| 12:43.41 | ts | We're having luck..imagine 300 bots instead of 3 |
| 12:44.10 | Teppic | hmm, /etc/init.d/mysqld stop? |
| 12:46.05 | Teppic | I haven't really done any sql stuff since I stopped using access about 5 years ago, bu ti'm intrigued to see if I can format a 'one liner' to remove all of one persons posts.... |
| 12:53.22 | Teppic | delete from phpbb_posts_text where post_id=(select post_id from phpbb_posts where poster_id=(select user_id from phpbb_users where username="Teppic"));delete from phpbb_posts where poster_id=(select user_id from phpbb_users where username="Teppic"); yay |
| 12:56.43 | Manu | Teppic: delete from phpbb_posts_test; |
| 12:56.45 | Manu | hehe |
| 12:57.06 | Teppic | No, text. |
| 12:58.06 | Teppic | Hmm, it doesn't like more than one result from the second query though, maybe it will work with delete, I don't fancy testing it on my DB tho.... |
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| 13:12.18 | Teppic | Yay, i have my own forum spam, time to test.... |
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| 13:20.20 | [NP]Tangent | heads up, admins... |
| 13:20.20 | [NP]Tangent | http://my.bzflag.org/bb/viewtopic.php?p=95576#95576 |
| 13:20.32 | [NP]Tangent | http://my.bzflag.org/bb/viewtopic.php?p=95570#95570 |
| 13:20.52 | Manu | bzbb admins are sleeping ;) |
| 13:21.08 | [NP]Tangent | http://my.bzflag.org/bb/viewtopic.php?p=95575#95575 |
| 13:21.10 | [NP]Tangent | etc |
| 13:21.16 | [NP]Tangent | just letting someone know |
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| 14:25.31 | blast007 | weeee.......spam |
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| 16:14.33 | Kaniaz | I wonder why bzbb gets spammed so much |
| 16:20.36 | blast007 | Kaniaz: cuz it's a forum |
| 16:20.46 | Kaniaz | Dur |
| 16:20.59 | Kaniaz | I just know a lot of forums that don't get spam anywhere near as much as bzbb seems to |
| 16:21.00 | blast007 | spammers post links, which then get indexed by search engines, which boosts their page's rankings |
| 16:21.26 | Kaniaz | And they're vaugely high pagerank, so, who knows? |
| 16:21.31 | blast007 | Kaniaz: they running phpBB? |
| 16:21.46 | Kaniaz | Yeah, this one forum was until quite recently, they switched to the horrors of IPB |
| 16:21.54 | Kaniaz | And they never got spam, ever |
| 16:22.50 | blast007 | right now, I'm working on cleaning out all the old spam registrations |
| 16:22.58 | blast007 | there's tons of them |
| 16:23.30 | blast007 | already removed close to 80 of them |
| 16:23.33 | Kaniaz | Ugh great |
| 16:23.39 | Kaniaz | I've had to do those before; tons of fun |
| 16:23.41 | blast007 | and this is just looking at *.info email domains |
| 16:24.01 | blast007 | I wrote a script though :) |
| 16:24.11 | blast007 | shows me their name, post count, email, and website |
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| 16:25.17 | Kaniaz | How long has the forum software used the visual conformation for? |
| 16:26.04 | Kaniaz | Since forever or did it just get added recently. |
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| 16:27.49 | blast007 | Kaniaz: since last Friday ;) |
| 16:27.59 | Kaniaz | Heh, made much difference? |
| 16:28.03 | blast007 | not really |
| 16:28.09 | Kaniaz | It's not the world's best captcha though |
| 16:28.12 | blast007 | spammers are still registering |
| 16:28.13 | blast007 | yeah |
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| 20:33.53 | CBG | the bots can read the text in the image ? |
| 20:35.43 | Manu | usually not |
| 20:36.23 | Chestal | if I were a bot I would delegate this task to unsuspecting humans |
| 20:36.56 | Manu | buts are usually scripts with no OCR capabilities |
| 20:37.01 | Manu | bots* |
| 20:37.59 | Manu | just curious, with the new version there are more spam posts :/ |
| 20:39.27 | CBG | Manu: so I thought myself, but blast007 says "spammers are still registering". I would suspect that at least some of those are bots. :/ |
| 20:39.39 | ts | Manu: The new version is more used in total |
| 20:40.24 | Erroneous | it's not terribly difficult to write a bot that can read the captchas |
| 20:40.39 | Erroneous | just have to train it for the specific kind |
| 20:40.49 | ts | From looking at the picture it seems fairly easy to write a bot for that task |
| 20:40.51 | Erroneous | and phpbb is common, so there are probably plenty of trained bots |
| 20:41.19 | ts | Come up with a captcha written in the old German fonts.. |
| 20:41.31 | Chestal | or they really do use the delegation trick |
| 20:41.50 | ts | I bet even 90% of the humans would fail >:) |
| 20:42.13 | Chestal | I had captchas where I failed |
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| 20:42.45 | ts | We could tranform the captcha to a colour vision test ;) |
| 20:43.08 | CBG | like "What colour is the left portion of this image?" ? |
| 20:43.14 | blast007 | I still like the idea if the "Enter your IQ" box |
| 20:43.17 | blast007 | of the* |
| 20:45.02 | ts | CBG: I want something like this: http://www.kcl.ac.uk/teares/gktvc/vc/lt/colourblindness/plate8.htm |
| 20:46.12 | CBG | and the bots couldn't read that? it's not a totally different idea to the current thing. |
| 20:48.18 | CBG | show something like this and ask how many stripes? http://www.sommerdesign.co.uk/images/max%20tec%202%20colour%20special.jpg |
| 20:49.26 | Chestal | if the phpBB spambots can indeed read the captcha, I am pretty sure they are very specialized |
| 20:50.26 | Chestal | of course the delegate-to-human approach can solve all those captchas you can throw at it |
| 20:51.06 | JeffM2501 | Chestal, my gut says it's humans |
| 20:51.37 | Chestal | all those effort (and some wit, too) wasted on the dark side |
| 20:51.42 | JeffM2501 | I know |
| 20:52.24 | JeffM2501 | blast007, any more progress/ides on the make them play first system? |
| 20:52.24 | Chestal | it's fascinating :-) |
| 20:52.24 | JeffM2501 | I know there are groups that pay people to do it |
| 20:52.30 | JeffM2501 | I mean how does that biz model even WORK |
| 20:52.34 | blast007 | JeffM2501: I'll probably look into that more on friday |
| 20:52.38 | JeffM2501 | ok |
| 20:52.58 | JeffM2501 | I'll poke blrcad and tim when I see them to make sure they are ok, with it. I can't see how they would not be |
| 20:53.15 | Chestal | sounds like an interesting idea |
| 20:53.48 | JeffM2501 | it's not realy any more limiting for real users |
| 20:54.03 | JeffM2501 | and it's not something that a bot, or slave net would even do |
| 20:54.06 | JeffM2501 | just for one board |
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| 21:10.19 | brlcad | Kaniaz: in part because our forum is rather popular and active .. has a rather high google index ranking making it a frequent target |
| 21:10.43 | L4m3r | Also because it's very old ;) |
| 21:10.49 | Kaniaz | That's what I figured |
| 21:11.10 | brlcad | there are also some plugins we could add that would make it harder too, but it's still an only mildly hardened target that gets hit a lot |
| 21:12.08 | brlcad | blast007: spam registrations may be about the same, but the server attacks have definitely decreased |
| 21:12.17 | Erroneous | yay |
| 21:13.20 | brlcad | the web server was having to reset about once an hour due to some botnet relay somehow attaching |
| 21:13.34 | brlcad | now it's down to about once a day.. |
| 21:14.02 | blast007 | cool |
| 21:14.59 | brlcad | mod_security seems to be detecting fewer attempts overall too, so just announcing as an upgraded version seems to have stopped some of them |
| 21:18.47 | tupone_laptop | hola brlcad. how is going there? |
| 21:21.30 | L4m3r | Ok, now I'm pissed: http://it.slashdot.org/article.pl?sid=06/12/12/1332233 |
| 21:21.45 | Erroneous | heh |
| 21:22.38 | Erroneous | you didn't want your identity anyway, right? :) |
| 21:22.43 | L4m3r | -_- |
| 21:22.56 | L4m3r | I've recieved an email confirming that yes, my name is in the db |
| 21:23.26 | L4m3r | I'm sick of this BS. UCLA's IT department is run by monkeys, I swear |
| 21:23.38 | ts | I find it funny :) |
| 21:23.45 | L4m3r | this is the same school who posts your email address in a public directory on its website |
| 21:24.21 | Erroneous | same principle as a phonebook |
| 21:24.30 | L4m3r | the same school who charges $45 for a NIC |
| 21:28.04 | L4m3r | this is great. Now I have to go tell my parents that the college they can't afford to send me to has given away my (and probably their) identity... |
| 21:34.15 | brlcad | only $45 ?? |
| 21:34.36 | brlcad | I think I had to pay more than double back in the day :P |
| 21:34.51 | brlcad | and had to walk uphill through the snow both ways |
| 21:34.52 | brlcad | barefoot |
| 21:38.09 | CBG | dragging a 100 year oak behind you too? |
| 21:38.36 | brlcad | only on tuesdays |
| 21:38.46 | CBG | pff, lucky... |
| 21:41.41 | L4m3r | well, considering nowadays you can get a 10/100 NIC for like $7... |
| 21:43.17 | Erroneous | or for free |
| 21:43.32 | Erroneous | $10 with a $10 instant rebate is always a good price |
| 21:47.21 | L4m3r | lol |
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| 23:16.30 | Birdie | is JeffM2501 allive? |
| 23:17.15 | JeffM2501 | yes |
| 23:17.17 | JeffM2501 | one sec |
| 23:17.27 | Birdie | ok |
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