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| 00:21.42 | Kaniaz | Success then |
| 00:22.20 | JeffM2501 | what? /* and */ ? |
| 00:22.24 | Kaniaz | Yup. |
| 00:22.28 | Kaniaz | Around that whole area processing shots. |
| 00:22.30 | JeffM2501 | that's the lazy mans |
| 00:22.50 | Erroneous | changes an == to a != iirc |
| 00:23.10 | JeffM2501 | in the best named function we ahve |
| 00:23.18 | Erroneous | best named!? |
| 00:23.24 | JeffM2501 | GotBlowedUp |
| 00:23.40 | Kaniaz | I worked in that function a lot |
| 00:23.52 | JeffM2501 | gotblowedup is better cus it's bad english :) |
| 00:23.54 | Kaniaz | I tried return true and return false and fact of the matter is neither of them worked |
| 00:23.56 | Erroneous | :) |
| 00:24.05 | JeffM2501 | GotsBlowedUp would be even better |
| 00:24.40 | JeffM2501 | isImminentlyDangerous could be named to mayHurtABit and take the title tho |
| 00:24.47 | Erroneous | hehe |
| 00:25.27 | JeffM2501 | tho for rain, I did allmost add in fMoistness |
| 00:25.58 | Erroneous | before isImminentlyDangerous was isImminentlyDangerous, it was amIgonnaDieIfISpawnHere |
| 00:26.10 | JeffM2501 | see that's way better |
| 00:26.16 | Erroneous | but the camel case was killing me |
| 00:26.21 | JeffM2501 | "willThisSuck" |
| 00:26.27 | Erroneous | so I went for fewer, longer words :) |
| 00:27.34 | Kaniaz | Good times were had by all |
| 00:31.02 | JeffM2501 | actualy simplest way is to take out one character |
| 00:31.15 | Kaniaz | You lied to me |
| 00:31.20 | JeffM2501 | there are many ways |
| 00:31.26 | Kaniaz | Yeah |
| 00:31.27 | JeffM2501 | you can do it by adding one too |
| 00:31.33 | JeffM2501 | but removing is easyer then adding |
| 00:33.25 | Theme97 | "willThisCauseUseOfExpletives"? |
| 00:35.28 | Kaniaz | Maybe not, then, geez |
| 00:40.59 | [NP]Tangent | sorry to do this jeff, but I uploaded one more image |
| 00:45.02 | JeffM2501 | done |
| 00:45.25 | [NP]Tangent | thanks man |
| 00:45.29 | [NP]Tangent | I think I'm done with them tonight |
| 00:45.38 | [NP]Tangent | if they need further modification, it can wait till school lets out |
| 00:48.59 | [NP]Tangent | ugh, that image is bad |
| 00:49.11 | [NP]Tangent | I mean, it looks good, but something somehow shifted to the right a pixel |
| 00:51.47 | JeffM2501 | I can aprove as many as you need |
| 00:51.49 | JeffM2501 | they are easy |
| 00:52.33 | Kaniaz | Well I'm going to go read and sleep/die |
| 00:54.16 | [NP]Tangent | Jeff, can you delete that one I just posted? |
| 00:54.21 | [NP]Tangent | I had to edit it a bit |
| 00:55.13 | JeffM2501 | hmm delete |
| 00:55.17 | JeffM2501 | dunno if I can do that |
| 00:55.19 | JeffM2501 | one sec |
| 00:56.58 | JeffM2501 | the wood one? |
| 00:57.08 | [NP]Tangent | yes, the embossed wood one |
| 00:57.24 | JeffM2501 | nope I can't |
| 00:57.26 | JeffM2501 | I don't have perms |
| 00:57.30 | [NP]Tangent | ah, sucks |
| 00:57.32 | JeffM2501 | just give it a difrent name |
| 00:57.33 | [NP]Tangent | I'll rename it then |
| 00:58.55 | [NP]Tangent | k, posted |
| 00:59.57 | JeffM2501 | done |
| 01:00.05 | [NP]Tangent | thanks man |
| 01:04.13 | [NP]Tangent | alright, everything looks good |
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| 02:25.34 | [NP]Tangent | Jeff, thanks to your cooperation, my map is well-liked |
| 02:25.34 | [NP]Tangent | :) |
| 02:27.19 | Theme97 | Your map? Ooh, where!? |
| 02:40.56 | Theme97 | ooh, xfire support |
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| 03:10.01 | [NP]Tangent | Theme97, my map's on the rotation at nullbzflag.gotdns.com |
| 03:10.03 | [NP]Tangent | port 5155 |
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| 03:35.37 | biggeruniverse | would you still know where everyone is in limbo? |
| 03:36.38 | biggeruniverse | would anyone know where you are? |
| 03:40.12 | biggeruniverse | I think it would be best to not send or rebroadcast messages from a player in limbo, unless to or from the admin who put them there |
| 03:40.23 | biggeruniverse | makes cheating impossible |
| 04:10.25 | biggeruniverse | (sigh) |
| 04:11.26 | biggeruniverse | Oh well. I'd write it now, but I can't waste time on something that wouldn't be accepted. |
| 04:12.06 | biggeruniverse | (not to be pretentious, but I have many things to do) |
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| 04:24.26 | JeffM2501 | it makes sense to hold the messages for broadcast when it's invalid |
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| 04:39.45 | biggeruniverse | I was basically thinking along the lines of making the limbo more than logical |
| 04:39.59 | JeffM2501 | sure |
| 04:40.05 | biggeruniverse | You're actually more in "network limbo" |
| 04:40.09 | JeffM2501 | yeah |
| 04:40.21 | JeffM2501 | noone should see you move or shoot, etc.. |
| 04:40.33 | biggeruniverse | and you shouldn't see anyone either |
| 04:40.41 | biggeruniverse | only the admin, and vice versa |
| 04:40.43 | JeffM2501 | yeah |
| 04:40.44 | biggeruniverse | is that cool? |
| 04:40.48 | JeffM2501 | yeah yeah |
| 04:40.56 | biggeruniverse | That can be done relatively quickly |
| 04:41.04 | biggeruniverse | (as you know) |
| 04:41.04 | JeffM2501 | if you want them to see others, bump em to observer not limbo :) |
| 04:41.13 | biggeruniverse | exactly |
| 04:41.46 | biggeruniverse | yeah |
| 04:41.48 | biggeruniverse | or whatever |
| 04:42.15 | biggeruniverse | the problem is coming out of limbo |
| 04:42.30 | JeffM2501 | just send em a bunch of updates like a new player |
| 04:42.40 | biggeruniverse | right, but where are they? |
| 04:42.52 | biggeruniverse | we can't let them move to whereever they want |
| 04:42.55 | JeffM2501 | just respawn em |
| 04:43.00 | biggeruniverse | hmm |
| 04:43.08 | biggeruniverse | ok |
| 04:43.27 | JeffM2501 | actualy best woudl be to treat it just like the limbo your in when you get the world |
| 04:43.39 | JeffM2501 | when they are released from limbo, let them do the "right click to spawn" thing |
| 04:43.51 | biggeruniverse | ok |
| 04:44.08 | JeffM2501 | if you want to have em keep there position, force pause them |
| 04:44.25 | JeffM2501 | with those 3 states you can get what ever effect you need |
| 04:44.25 | biggeruniverse | what about commands for the admin to place in/take out of limbo |
| 04:44.37 | JeffM2501 | if you wanted to |
| 04:44.47 | JeffM2501 | could be done with a plugin, but a built in command would not be bad |
| 04:45.08 | JeffM2501 | there are going to be a number of reasons to limbo people |
| 04:45.15 | JeffM2501 | once the capability is there |
| 04:46.18 | biggeruniverse | yeah |
| 04:46.47 | biggeruniverse | it's easy enough to break out tho |
| 04:47.01 | JeffM2501 | quit and rejoin |
| 04:47.01 | biggeruniverse | just leave and come back |
| 04:47.03 | biggeruniverse | yeah |
| 04:47.27 | JeffM2501 | that's why I say we should make there be a message that tells the client that it's ok to spawn |
| 04:47.30 | JeffM2501 | and not just assume it |
| 04:47.39 | biggeruniverse | right |
| 04:47.49 | JeffM2501 | that way a plugin can track the IP and not send a spawn message to a new player |
| 04:47.50 | biggeruniverse | but the server would also have to remember you |
| 04:47.56 | biggeruniverse | ok |
| 04:48.06 | biggeruniverse | but should it be a plugin? |
| 04:48.07 | JeffM2501 | let the plugins do that based on whatever data they want |
| 04:48.09 | JeffM2501 | yeah |
| 04:48.11 | JeffM2501 | some may want IP |
| 04:48.13 | JeffM2501 | some may want name |
| 04:48.19 | JeffM2501 | some may want BZID, etc. |
| 04:48.22 | JeffM2501 | that way it's flexable |
| 04:48.26 | biggeruniverse | by default the server simply sends "It's ok" |
| 04:48.35 | JeffM2501 | yeah |
| 04:48.40 | biggeruniverse | BUT |
| 04:48.42 | JeffM2501 | then all we have to do is add an api hook |
| 04:48.49 | JeffM2501 | and the behavor can change |
| 04:48.56 | biggeruniverse | if the server doesn't send ok, it will not send or receive messages from the client |
| 04:49.14 | biggeruniverse | put the player object in LIMBO state, or whatever |
| 04:49.25 | biggeruniverse | where messages are ignored |
| 04:49.36 | JeffM2501 | ANY message? or just player updates? |
| 04:49.51 | biggeruniverse | ANY message that doesn't terminate at the server |
| 04:50.09 | JeffM2501 | so no relay |
| 04:50.12 | biggeruniverse | right |
| 04:50.22 | biggeruniverse | no chance for cheating |
| 04:50.39 | JeffM2501 | they shoul still get score updates |
| 04:50.41 | JeffM2501 | and world updates |
| 04:50.42 | JeffM2501 | and chat |
| 04:50.42 | biggeruniverse | well, perhaps relay messages on the admin channel or something |
| 04:50.48 | JeffM2501 | but nothing with tank motion |
| 04:50.56 | JeffM2501 | and they should not send anything other then chat |
| 04:51.05 | biggeruniverse | ok |
| 04:51.12 | biggeruniverse | but not chat on the open channel |
| 04:51.18 | biggeruniverse | they could abuse that easily |
| 04:51.24 | biggeruniverse | imo |
| 04:51.42 | JeffM2501 | how? it's just chat |
| 04:51.52 | JeffM2501 | tho a seperate "you can't chat" messaage would be nice |
| 04:51.56 | biggeruniverse | heh |
| 04:52.06 | biggeruniverse | server-side silencing? |
| 04:52.08 | JeffM2501 | a general server side silence |
| 04:52.09 | JeffM2501 | yeah |
| 04:52.19 | JeffM2501 | that can be usefull for many things too |
| 04:52.26 | biggeruniverse | I don't think players in limbo should be able to talk "beyond the grave" as it were |
| 04:52.30 | biggeruniverse | yeah |
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| 04:53.05 | JeffM2501 | depends what it's used for |
| 04:53.17 | JeffM2501 | if limbo is used inbetween a match |
| 04:53.19 | biggeruniverse | well, not on the open or team channels |
| 04:53.22 | JeffM2501 | then yes they should |
| 04:53.31 | biggeruniverse | would it be? or is that lobby? |
| 04:53.33 | JeffM2501 | the more flexable the better |
| 04:53.40 | JeffM2501 | it's kind of a lobby |
| 04:53.44 | JeffM2501 | or like during a world change |
| 04:53.48 | JeffM2501 | people may want to chat |
| 04:53.56 | biggeruniverse | true. |
| 04:54.03 | JeffM2501 | the limbo feature should be able to handle all that |
| 04:54.08 | biggeruniverse | I think it were better if they were different |
| 04:54.11 | JeffM2501 | sure admin limbo may want to silence them too |
| 04:54.19 | JeffM2501 | but that's a combination of 2 features |
| 04:54.26 | biggeruniverse | hmm |
| 04:54.27 | biggeruniverse | true |
| 04:54.41 | biggeruniverse | so server-side silence and limbo |
| 04:54.48 | JeffM2501 | the logical features can be combinations of more then one low level features :) |
| 04:54.52 | JeffM2501 | modularity is great :) |
| 04:54.53 | a_meteorite | speaking of talking while in limbo... did you know currently before the join process is fully over you can speak and it'll appear as UNKNOWN? I've seen abuse when people get banned and they'll spam the living daylights out of you with it |
| 04:54.55 | biggeruniverse | I agree |
| 04:54.59 | brlcad | better would be an actually lobby since the limbo mode actually means something to the gameplay |
| 04:55.05 | brlcad | it's only not useful on some maps |
| 04:55.25 | biggeruniverse | I tend to agree with brlcad |
| 04:55.27 | JeffM2501 | you could observer for loby |
| 04:55.27 | a_meteorite | I don't know if it's fixed in 2.1 or not... but it's sure annoying now :) |
| 04:55.34 | JeffM2501 | I just don't like forcing things into features |
| 04:55.44 | brlcad | the lobby was your idea :) |
| 04:55.56 | biggeruniverse | who? |
| 04:56.00 | biggeruniverse | Jeff? |
| 04:56.06 | brlcad | yes |
| 04:56.12 | biggeruniverse | I like the lobby idea |
| 04:56.37 | JeffM2501 | well lobby is usualy something for more then one server |
| 04:56.44 | JeffM2501 | so I don't like to use that as that term |
| 04:56.50 | brlcad | i'm just saying without following everything you were just talking about that dorking with limbo mode could easily be problematic |
| 04:56.59 | brlcad | yeah, it's more like a waiting queue |
| 04:56.59 | JeffM2501 | but there are reasons to "park" everyone while a game resets or something |
| 04:57.11 | brlcad | or a join queue of sorts |
| 04:57.15 | JeffM2501 | to me that is limbo, your out of the game, but still connected |
| 04:57.20 | JeffM2501 | you have to respawn to join |
| 04:57.25 | JeffM2501 | just like when you die |
| 04:57.37 | brlcad | except that the actual "Limbo" mode is not out of the game, it's part of it ;) |
| 04:57.46 | biggeruniverse | the server has to know quite a lot about what's going on and why someone was put in limbo, |
| 04:57.47 | JeffM2501 | ok, off the playfield |
| 04:57.50 | JeffM2501 | that's what I mean |
| 04:57.52 | brlcad | fair num |
| 04:57.54 | brlcad | nuff |
| 04:57.59 | biggeruniverse | or else how will it know when to send them "ok to join"? |
| 04:58.13 | JeffM2501 | well by default it can just send them an OK |
| 04:58.16 | JeffM2501 | like when they die |
| 04:58.28 | JeffM2501 | it would be up to some other logic to handle the speical limbo cases |
| 04:58.46 | biggeruniverse | that's what I'm saying |
| 04:59.07 | JeffM2501 | I'm saying a plugin can handle that |
| 04:59.12 | biggeruniverse | that other logic would be more complex if you have one catch-all state, as opposed to a few more defined states |
| 04:59.44 | JeffM2501 | well your doing it, it's whatever you want to do :) |
| 04:59.45 | brlcad | hm, no cia |
| 04:59.49 | biggeruniverse | heh |
| 04:59.50 | JeffM2501 | more states is not bad |
| 04:59.54 | JeffM2501 | yeah cia freaked |
| 05:00.14 | biggeruniverse | stop that! |
| 05:00.19 | JeffM2501 | but realy limbo when you die, you want to keep them from chating |
| 05:00.25 | JeffM2501 | that would be difrent from now |
| 05:00.32 | JeffM2501 | people type, die, then send enter |
| 05:00.37 | biggeruniverse | yeah |
| 05:00.44 | JeffM2501 | they should still be able to type |
| 05:00.47 | JeffM2501 | that's why I say split em |
| 05:00.54 | biggeruniverse | would you really want to use limbo on death anyway? |
| 05:00.54 | JeffM2501 | if it's admin limbo they also silence them |
| 05:01.04 | JeffM2501 | isn't that what happens now? |
| 05:01.12 | JeffM2501 | it's just a state |
| 05:01.12 | biggeruniverse | but isn't it clientside? |
| 05:01.15 | JeffM2501 | off play before spawn |
| 05:01.22 | JeffM2501 | the server needs to know all :) |
| 05:01.34 | biggeruniverse | I know, but does it enforce all ;) |
| 05:02.46 | brlcad | yeah, could copy the entire limbo code to a new player state for something like Waiting or somesuch .. could even use that as an alternative to joining players to observer.. let them drive around, shoot locally (but not send network), etc |
| 05:03.00 | brlcad | and then when a slot opens up, server kills them and joins them to the open team |
| 05:03.02 | biggeruniverse | so, who wants another patch? I have a nice Perlin noise generator that fits in with the current noise function |
| 05:03.32 | biggeruniverse | and replaces the cloud texture |
| 05:03.34 | JeffM2501 | why let them shoot? |
| 05:03.41 | JeffM2501 | why not just let them observ |
| 05:03.49 | brlcad | meh, if it's local only, it might be entertaining |
| 05:03.52 | JeffM2501 | then teamswap, and reset score |
| 05:03.54 | biggeruniverse | heh |
| 05:03.55 | brlcad | something to do while you wait |
| 05:04.24 | biggeruniverse | limbo might be something to get used to |
| 05:04.33 | biggeruniverse | players may not understand it at first |
| 05:04.46 | biggeruniverse | "Why can't I see anybody?" |
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| 05:05.26 | JeffM2501 | well yes, I wanted also the server to send them a big message to put instead of "right click to spawn" |
| 05:05.29 | JeffM2501 | so they can know what's up |
| 05:05.31 | biggeruniverse | my bzfx GM nemesis! |
| 05:05.35 | biggeruniverse | codergeek42! |
| 05:05.38 | JeffM2501 | like "you were BAD, time out!" |
| 05:05.43 | codergeek42 | Hi biggeruniverse. |
| 05:05.48 | biggeruniverse | heya |
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| 05:06.17 | Rawk | yo |
| 05:06.25 | biggeruniverse | maybe the server can send a message on entering limbo: you've been bad |
| 05:06.25 | codergeek42 | You're going to have to drop me another hint or two. I don't remember playing against anyone by your nick on BZFX, biggeruniverse. :) |
| 05:06.30 | codergeek42 | Hiya, Rawk. |
| 05:06.38 | biggeruniverse | I'm memorable |
| 05:06.54 | biggeruniverse | probably you didn't know me ;) |
| 05:07.11 | biggeruniverse | Rawk on! |
| 05:07.16 | codergeek42 | Heheheheheh. :) |
| 05:07.34 | Rawk | true true true |
| 05:07.39 | biggeruniverse | anyway, perhaps also a LIMBO mode at the top below the clock? |
| 05:07.56 | JeffM2501 | ohh yeah |
| 05:07.57 | biggeruniverse | or put them in "Phantom Zoned" mode? |
| 05:07.59 | JeffM2501 | totaly |
| 05:08.09 | JeffM2501 | we had talked about a state indicator |
| 05:08.15 | JeffM2501 | so that would totaly work |
| 05:08.21 | biggeruniverse | Yeah, that'd be good |
| 05:08.37 | JeffM2501 | DTRemenak you may not want them to move |
| 05:08.39 | biggeruniverse | it's cliche |
| 05:08.45 | DTRemenak | so kick to observer too |
| 05:08.47 | JeffM2501 | like youve been bad |
| 05:08.57 | JeffM2501 | but yeah, then you do use slots |
| 05:09.02 | JeffM2501 | limbo leaves you in your team slot |
| 05:09.05 | biggeruniverse | true |
| 05:09.07 | JeffM2501 | observer is a team |
| 05:09.12 | JeffM2501 | so that that could make it wierd |
| 05:09.17 | brlcad | biggeruniverse: I still would recommend not calling it "limbo" since that does have a meaning to the regular gameplay with specific behaviors (unless that's intentional) |
| 05:09.20 | biggeruniverse | you want them to keep their slot |
| 05:09.36 | biggeruniverse | I'm just going off of ideas.txt |
| 05:09.52 | JeffM2501 | someone reads that? |
| 05:09.52 | DTRemenak | heh, ideas.txt |
| 05:09.52 | JeffM2501 | wow |
| 05:09.54 | biggeruniverse | I do |
| 05:09.59 | a_meteorite | I read it |
| 05:10.00 | brlcad | eep |
| 05:10.00 | biggeruniverse | that and the TODO list |
| 05:10.01 | JeffM2501 | that was just me spewing ideas |
| 05:10.12 | JeffM2501 | the todo is probably a better place to look ;) |
| 05:10.16 | a_meteorite | ideas are good |
| 05:10.24 | DTRemenak | ideas.txt should have a disclaimer |
| 05:10.27 | brlcad | heh |
| 05:10.37 | DTRemenak | something like "these might be bad ideas too" |
| 05:10.51 | biggeruniverse | yeah, I said that to some of them myself |
| 05:10.56 | DTRemenak | it's really just jeff's scratchpad, iirc :) |
| 05:10.56 | JeffM2501 | "the views expressed in this file do not represent the views of the maintainer and proiject team, and are told by an idiot" |
| 05:11.19 | JeffM2501 | yeah it totaly is |
| 05:11.21 | brlcad | i was going to say, it does have a disclaimer.. two of them |
| 05:11.24 | DTRemenak | not that there's not good stuff in there |
| 05:11.35 | brlcad | it's just not that explicit as to the intent :) |
| 05:11.37 | JeffM2501 | I gets lots of wierd ideas |
| 05:11.45 | a_meteorite | hehe. |
| 05:11.50 | biggeruniverse | like a file called ideas.txt? |
| 05:11.52 | a_meteorite | "Add a little "radio beacon" on the antenna when someone does a chat." |
| 05:11.59 | DTRemenak | just that it's not been censored^W edited^W discussed |
| 05:12.02 | biggeruniverse | I really, really want that one |
| 05:12.06 | biggeruniverse | that is so cool |
| 05:12.09 | a_meteorite | lol :D |
| 05:12.17 | biggeruniverse | wouldn't that be cool? |
| 05:12.20 | biggeruniverse | seriously! |
| 05:12.27 | brlcad | ~DTRemenak++ |
| 05:12.36 | a_meteorite | yes |
| 05:12.39 | brlcad | biggeruniverse: go for it |
| 05:12.39 | JeffM2501 | would just have to have a new message when somone hits /n |
| 05:12.44 | a_meteorite | so would a typing indicator |
| 05:12.58 | biggeruniverse | brlcad: I might |
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| 05:13.16 | DTRemenak | woo, cia |
| 05:13.18 | biggeruniverse | brlcad: it's actually what I started looking at the code for |
| 05:13.19 | DTRemenak | ... |
| 05:13.27 | brlcad | hmm |
| 05:13.31 | JeffM2501 | yay a real CIA |
| 05:13.34 | a_meteorite | and BU and SR sparks heh |
| 05:14.00 | JeffM2501 | you put the debugs back? |
| 05:14.03 | JeffM2501 | aww, no real CIA |
| 05:14.06 | brlcad | well, here in spirit, but not in body |
| 05:14.13 | brlcad | or the other way around |
| 05:14.48 | biggeruniverse | did the dead body grimace back? |
| 05:15.13 | a_meteorite | "Mommy, do IRC bot's spirits go to heaven?" |
| 05:15.20 | brlcad | JeffM2501: that's what I'd just started |
| 05:15.26 | biggeruniverse | no, they go to google |
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| 05:16.21 | brlcad | heh |
| 05:16.43 | brlcad | probably.. I like commit feedback |
| 05:17.15 | DTRemenak | not gonna get any at this rate... |
| 05:17.21 | DTRemenak | he still hasn't hugged you back :) |
| 05:17.37 | biggeruniverse | does it need to be when you hit 'n' or when you actually send the message? |
| 05:17.49 | a_meteorite | I'd say when you send the message |
| 05:17.53 | a_meteorite | just imho |
| 05:17.56 | biggeruniverse | me too |
| 05:18.02 | brlcad | heh |
| 05:18.04 | brlcad | woot |
| 05:18.05 | DTRemenak | w00h00 |
| 05:18.06 | a_meteorite | lol |
| 05:18.07 | brlcad | awww |
| 05:18.08 | DTRemenak | aw |
| 05:18.12 | biggeruniverse | he left? |
| 05:18.19 | brlcad | hugged to death |
| 05:18.22 | a_meteorite | I broke him ;) |
| 05:18.23 | biggeruniverse | haha |
| 05:18.31 | biggeruniverse | killed with kindness? |
| 05:18.31 | *** join/#bzflag CIA-2 (i=cia@cia.navi.cx) |
| 05:18.34 | biggeruniverse | OMG! |
| 05:18.37 | biggeruniverse | twins! |
| 05:18.38 | DTRemenak | hm, #2... |
| 05:18.49 | a_meteorite | lol |
| 05:19.03 | DTRemenak | woot |
| 05:19.03 | a_meteorite | ah there we go.. |
| 05:19.09 | DTRemenak | a genuine working CIA-2 |
| 05:19.51 | biggeruniverse | ~seen biggeruniverse be the top scorer |
| 05:20.22 | ibot | i haven't seen 'biggeruniverse be the top scorer', biggeruniverse |
| 05:20.33 | biggeruniverse | me either :( |
| 05:21.08 | biggeruniverse | poor ibot. how I abuse it |
| 05:21.28 | codergeek42 | ~seen codergeek42 get a geno kill |
| 05:21.36 | ibot | i haven't seen 'codergeek42 get a geno kill', codergeek42 |
| 05:21.39 | biggeruniverse | so limbo lets you talk, and there needs to be server-side silence? |
| 05:21.40 | codergeek42 | Hehe. |
| 05:21.42 | biggeruniverse | ha ha! |
| 05:21.49 | codergeek42 | GMs for the win! 8) |
| 05:22.12 | biggeruniverse | Sporty yelled at me yesterday for abusing poor ibot |
| 05:22.17 | brlcad | cia is still geek'd, the gallery is dead |
| 05:23.05 | biggeruniverse | how to invoke server-side silence? |
| 05:23.21 | JeffM2501 | set a state |
| 05:23.29 | biggeruniverse | well, I mean from in-game |
| 05:23.36 | biggeruniverse | how does an admin invoke it? |
| 05:23.40 | JeffM2501 | get the messages hooked up |
| 05:23.46 | JeffM2501 | then you can worry about the commands |
| 05:23.49 | biggeruniverse | heh |
| 05:23.55 | biggeruniverse | how would I test it? |
| 05:23.57 | biggeruniverse | :P |
| 05:23.58 | JeffM2501 | but /shuddap would work :) |
| 05:24.30 | biggeruniverse | /nowImminentlyQuiet |
| 05:24.34 | biggeruniverse | heh |
| 05:24.40 | codergeek42 | What about.... |
| 05:24.42 | codergeek42 | /poll set _serverPleaseShutTheHellUpKthx 1 |
| 05:24.44 | codergeek42 | :) |
| 05:24.56 | codergeek42 | *hides* |
| 05:25.57 | biggeruniverse | /serlence |
| 05:27.16 | biggeruniverse | /serversideSilenceThePlayerNameThatComesRightAfterThisCommandString |
| 05:29.06 | biggeruniverse | I'll use serlence for now. It's stupid sounding enough to be memorable. "You've been serlenced! Loser!" |
| 05:29.14 | biggeruniverse | yeah, that sounds good |
| 05:29.24 | biggeruniverse | heh |
| 05:29.46 | brlcad | lame |
| 05:30.24 | biggeruniverse | :P |
| 05:30.34 | biggeruniverse | no, /lame is no good |
| 05:46.52 | biggeruniverse | nheh |
| 05:47.13 | biggeruniverse | I typed n again |
| 05:48.22 | biggeruniverse | silenced from admin channel too? |
| 05:51.58 | biggeruniverse | probably not |
| 05:52.06 | biggeruniverse | how could people whine then? |
| 05:52.54 | biggeruniverse | how would the admins get drunk without the whine? |
| 05:53.19 | a_meteorite | wine is icky |
| 05:53.24 | purple_cow | wine is lovely |
| 05:54.10 | a_meteorite | I tried some, had to dilute it with 7UP |
| 05:54.24 | a_meteorite | mom gave me like half a wine glass last christmas (I'm underage..) |
| 05:54.35 | a_meteorite | (but who's parents doesn't give their kids a tiny? ;) ) |
| 05:54.44 | purple_cow | dilute it with 7up? ew |
| 05:54.52 | a_meteorite | it was too strong for me |
| 05:54.57 | biggeruniverse | we always got a sip on new years' |
| 05:54.59 | a_meteorite | but it was in the fridge for like 4 years |
| 05:55.03 | a_meteorite | so... |
| 05:55.06 | purple_cow | better avoid hard liquor then |
| 05:55.07 | biggeruniverse | and some black-eyed beans |
| 05:55.08 | a_meteorite | iirc, red wine |
| 05:55.15 | purple_cow | red wine in the fridge? |
| 05:55.19 | a_meteorite | yeah.. |
| 05:55.26 | a_meteorite | my mom doesn't know wine |
| 05:56.09 | JeffM2501 | any wine you have to keep in the fridge isn't wine |
| 05:56.14 | JeffM2501 | did it have a screw cap? |
| 05:56.31 | biggeruniverse | Is it weird to anyone else that a meteorite, a purple cow, and a bigger universe are discussing alcohol on an IRC channel about jumping tanks? |
| 05:56.47 | purple_cow | JeffM2501: well, white wines should be chilled ;) |
| 05:56.57 | JeffM2501 | but STORED in the fridge? |
| 05:57.00 | DTRemenak | biggeruniverse: maybe it's all in your imagination |
| 05:57.04 | purple_cow | JeffM2501: yeah, that's odd |
| 05:57.06 | biggeruniverse | I hope so |
| 05:57.08 | JeffM2501 | boons farm is not a winery :) |
| 05:57.19 | biggeruniverse | OMG! Really?!?! |
| 05:57.39 | purple_cow | biggeruniverse: why would it be odd that I would discuss alcohol here? |
| 05:57.52 | biggeruniverse | you're a odd-colored cow |
| 05:57.59 | biggeruniverse | (nothing personal) |
| 05:58.06 | purple_cow | only on the intar wubs |
| 05:58.35 | biggeruniverse | hey, I've got the intarweb on my compewtar |
| 05:58.49 | JeffM2501 | in other places he's a captain |
| 05:58.56 | biggeruniverse | of? |
| 05:59.02 | purple_cow | does it matter? |
| 05:59.04 | DTRemenak | light |
| 05:59.07 | biggeruniverse | maybe he's prince of space |
| 05:59.16 | a_meteorite | JeffM2501: honestly don't remember |
| 05:59.21 | a_meteorite | it was in there so long, open... |
| 05:59.26 | JeffM2501 | DTRemenak not lught |
| 05:59.34 | biggeruniverse | what's lught |
| 05:59.36 | JeffM2501 | postivly charged sub atomic macro particles |
| 05:59.38 | a_meteorite | but it was definitely a red wine |
| 05:59.39 | DTRemenak | if you accelerat it fast enough |
| 05:59.46 | DTRemenak | smash e'm |
| 05:59.50 | DTRemenak | let'em recombine |
| 05:59.50 | JeffM2501 | difrent mass |
| 05:59.59 | DTRemenak | it's all just quarks anyway |
| 06:00.13 | biggeruniverse | where's a random particle? |
| 06:00.22 | biggeruniverse | ~seen randomparticle |
| 06:00.47 | ibot | randomparticle <n=randompa@about/essy/snick/randomparticle> was last seen on IRC in channel ##essy, 1d 9h 46m 45s ago, saying: 'cu'. |
| 06:00.47 | JeffM2501 | he rarely comes here |
| 06:00.47 | biggeruniverse | ibot couldn't find him the other day. |
| 06:00.52 | biggeruniverse | ah! |
| 06:01.03 | a_meteorite | so, I guess I'm lame ;) |
| 06:01.05 | purple_cow | ~particle du jour |
| 06:01.07 | ibot | pseudotachyon |
| 06:01.07 | biggeruniverse | cu too, randomp, cu too |
| 06:01.21 | brlcad | heh |
| 06:02.00 | biggeruniverse | [SERVER] You've been silenced |
| 06:02.04 | biggeruniverse | heh |
| 06:02.36 | purple_cow | man, I'm surprised I remember that |
| 06:02.37 | a_meteorite | purple_cow: I guess you grow to the taste, eh? ;) |
| 06:02.57 | JeffM2501 | a_meteorite there are difrent types for difrent tastes |
| 06:03.04 | purple_cow | yeah. It helps to buy the good stuff too |
| 06:03.05 | a_meteorite | heh |
| 06:03.14 | biggeruniverse | there are two f's in different |
| 06:03.16 | JeffM2501 | yeah |
| 06:03.29 | DTRemenak | not in JeffM2501's special version of different |
| 06:03.36 | biggeruniverse | difrent |
| 06:03.37 | JeffM2501 | I can't spell, deal :) |
| 06:03.41 | biggeruniverse | can I use that? |
| 06:03.49 | a_meteorite | no, it's copyrighted |
| 06:03.54 | biggeruniverse | damn! |
| 06:03.56 | JeffM2501 | what ever floats your little happy boat, skip |
| 06:03.58 | purple_cow | speaking of which |
| 06:03.59 | DTRemenak | only if you're prepared to be mocked as much as JeffM2501 :) |
| 06:04.13 | biggeruniverse | diffident |
| 06:04.17 | biggeruniverse | ha! |
| 06:04.18 | JeffM2501 | shiraz, man, go for the shiraz! |
| 06:04.51 | a_meteorite | difficultarant |
| 06:05.35 | biggeruniverse | alright, I'm out. I'll have a server-side silence patch ready tomorrow |
| 06:06.14 | biggeruniverse | (maybe a blinking tank antenna too!) |
| 06:06.18 | JeffM2501 | fun |
| 06:06.26 | biggeruniverse | fun fun |
| 06:06.34 | biggeruniverse | but not difrent fun |
| 06:07.50 | biggeruniverse | limbo may take longer |
| 06:08.02 | biggeruniverse | there's client-side stuff to do there too |
| 06:08.23 | biggeruniverse | so, is my RNG patch well received? |
| 06:08.47 | JeffM2501 | quite possibly |
| 06:08.51 | biggeruniverse | heh |
| 06:08.54 | biggeruniverse | good enough |
| 06:10.17 | biggeruniverse | then I wasn't asking you :P |
| 06:10.46 | JeffM2501 | what's it do? |
| 06:10.54 | biggeruniverse | replaces bzfrand |
| 06:11.03 | biggeruniverse | with the fabled Mersenne Twister |
| 06:11.08 | JeffM2501 | why? |
| 06:11.16 | biggeruniverse | bzfrand is OS-dependent |
| 06:11.25 | JeffM2501 | so |
| 06:11.38 | JeffM2501 | is there an OS that it dosn't work on? |
| 06:11.38 | brlcad | oo, yay purple_cow |
| 06:11.44 | JeffM2501 | or just to make it work the same? |
| 06:11.47 | biggeruniverse | so that's not very random in some OSs I could mention *cough* windows *cough* |
| 06:11.57 | JeffM2501 | so |
| 06:11.59 | biggeruniverse | right, that too |
| 06:12.14 | JeffM2501 | it's obviously random enough for our needs |
| 06:12.19 | biggeruniverse | not really |
| 06:12.24 | JeffM2501 | we don't do shared logic |
| 06:12.34 | JeffM2501 | so there isn't any need to have the same rand logic |
| 06:12.49 | biggeruniverse | I know, but flags and spawns with random strategies aren't very |
| 06:12.58 | brlcad | biggeruniverse: there are a lot of patches "in front" of yours so it might get reviewed and applied quickly if it catches one of our interests, but left unattended you're in line and will be got to later... |
| 06:13.02 | JeffM2501 | I don't think tha'ts the fault of rand |
| 06:13.13 | JeffM2501 | and that all happens at one place, the server |
| 06:13.16 | brlcad | note that the oldest are NOT a measure of the wait.. they are problematic ones to apply :) |
| 06:13.21 | DTRemenak | are you sure it's not just an observation error on your part? |
| 06:13.49 | DTRemenak | i.e. have you actually run the statistics on, say, flag spawns? |
| 06:13.52 | JeffM2501 | and since there are no real windows servers, the windows crack is pointless |
| 06:13.58 | biggeruniverse | Well, although it could be, I don't see why it would be bad for the rand to be more robust |
| 06:14.03 | biggeruniverse | the change is quite simple |
| 06:14.19 | DTRemenak | how fast is your implementation? |
| 06:14.24 | JeffM2501 | but does it actualy solve the problem? |
| 06:14.28 | JeffM2501 | and that too :) |
| 06:14.29 | DTRemenak | speed matters way more than randomness for us |
| 06:14.31 | biggeruniverse | It's not mine |
| 06:14.39 | biggeruniverse | look up mersenne twister |
| 06:14.56 | DTRemenak | the algorithm is not yours |
| 06:15.03 | DTRemenak | the implementation is, no? |
| 06:15.06 | biggeruniverse | nor the implementation |
| 06:15.22 | biggeruniverse | I merely made it fit |
| 06:16.00 | DTRemenak | I don't see the patch anyway |
| 06:16.05 | biggeruniverse | :P |
| 06:16.09 | biggeruniverse | it's in enhancements |
| 06:16.15 | biggeruniverse | because it is |
| 06:16.16 | biggeruniverse | I guess |
| 06:16.19 | DTRemenak | enhancements will not be applied |
| 06:16.23 | brlcad | biggeruniverse: you did notice that there's a variety of rand implementations already in bz |
| 06:16.23 | biggeruniverse | I never know how to use that |
| 06:16.32 | biggeruniverse | I only saw one |
| 06:16.45 | DTRemenak | "Enhancements / Tweaks - This tracker provides a place to keep all the patches that didn't quite make it into the main source tree. Some of these provide behavior that might be considered cheating, so use with care" |
| 06:16.56 | biggeruniverse | haha |
| 06:16.58 | DTRemenak | if you want something to be applied, it goes in patches |
| 06:17.06 | DTRemenak | read the descriptions ;) |
| 06:17.10 | biggeruniverse | well, then I will resubmit |
| 06:17.18 | DTRemenak | I can move it |
| 06:17.22 | biggeruniverse | ok, thx |
| 06:17.27 | brlcad | heh, yeah.. those are rarely ever reviewed :) |
| 06:17.37 | biggeruniverse | good thing I mentioned it |
| 06:18.05 | biggeruniverse | brlcad: where are the others? |
| 06:18.15 | brlcad | include/MathUtils.h |
| 06:18.19 | DTRemenak | 'tis moved |
| 06:18.26 | biggeruniverse | do they all go under bzfrand? |
| 06:18.37 | biggeruniverse | I replaced what seemed like the main one |
| 06:19.16 | brlcad | forget what I said for now.. I'm not thinking clearly |
| 06:19.27 | JeffM2501 | put it in a callback! |
| 06:19.35 | brlcad | heh |
| 06:19.39 | DTRemenak | heh |
| 06:20.00 | JeffM2501 | hmmm icotank looks stupid in 3rd person :( |
| 06:20.05 | biggeruniverse | wikipedia has a good explanation |
| 06:20.11 | biggeruniverse | heh |
| 06:20.24 | brlcad | what's the practical benefit? |
| 06:20.29 | JeffM2501 | is the problem with spawns really rand ? |
| 06:21.00 | biggeruniverse | It depends on the strategy too, I guess |
| 06:21.02 | brlcad | i really doubt there are statistical spawn problems related to rand().. more likely problems in the spawning policy algorithm itself |
| 06:21.03 | JeffM2501 | if the intent is rand being the same on multiple platforms |
| 06:21.08 | JeffM2501 | then we need more then rand |
| 06:21.10 | JeffM2501 | we need math too |
| 06:21.13 | JeffM2501 | like in a lib |
| 06:21.19 | JeffM2501 | the way TASpring did it |
| 06:21.22 | biggeruniverse | look at my patch |
| 06:21.31 | biggeruniverse | it makes it platform-independent |
| 06:21.34 | biggeruniverse | in one file |
| 06:21.45 | JeffM2501 | if you can't explain your patch, then it dosn't bode well ;) |
| 06:21.52 | biggeruniverse | I can |
| 06:21.53 | JeffM2501 | yeah but the math isn't |
| 06:21.53 | brlcad | implementing decent rand algorithms isn't hard.. it's still WHY |
| 06:22.02 | biggeruniverse | but I need'nt |
| 06:22.05 | JeffM2501 | so it being platform independent is pointless |
| 06:22.06 | biggeruniverse | *needn't |
| 06:22.09 | brlcad | could implement printf too.. but there's just little benefit |
| 06:22.14 | JeffM2501 | heh |
| 06:22.21 | JeffM2501 | printf_ex |
| 06:22.51 | brlcad | add a %bz or something for printing flag info or something twisted :) |
| 06:23.04 | JeffM2501 | %flag |
| 06:23.09 | JeffM2501 | %timekeeper |
| 06:23.24 | biggeruniverse | you can't control rand() |
| 06:23.32 | biggeruniverse | just like you can't control printf |
| 06:23.41 | biggeruniverse | thus DEBUG or logMessage |
| 06:23.45 | DTRemenak | you're missing the point...why should we want to control rand? |
| 06:23.48 | JeffM2501 | the point is, yes you made your own, but why? |
| 06:23.54 | biggeruniverse | I didn't make it |
| 06:24.04 | JeffM2501 | there are reasons to do it, we just don't need any of those reasons :) |
| 06:24.32 | biggeruniverse | I brought in a better, open, quick and very good quality piece of code |
| 06:24.33 | brlcad | debug and logmessage weren't created because we couldn't "control" printf.. they are wrappers around extra useful functionality (and still call printf in some cases too) |
| 06:24.47 | biggeruniverse | exactly |
| 06:24.57 | brlcad | exactly what? |
| 06:24.58 | JeffM2501 | this has no extra functionality |
| 06:25.07 | brlcad | so your providing some extra useful functionality? |
| 06:25.10 | biggeruniverse | why aren't you using log4c++? |
| 06:25.11 | JeffM2501 | and offers us no solution to any problem |
| 06:25.21 | biggeruniverse | it offers no new problems |
| 06:25.24 | brlcad | biggeruniverse: why aren't you answering the original question :) |
| 06:25.31 | biggeruniverse | I can't there's too many! |
| 06:25.39 | JeffM2501 | but if it dosn't SOLVE any, what is the point, other then making the project more complex |
| 06:25.45 | DTRemenak | does not solve any problem => not worth our time |
| 06:25.48 | biggeruniverse | (sigh) |
| 06:25.57 | DTRemenak | if we have a problem, then sure |
| 06:26.03 | JeffM2501 | I could implement openGL too |
| 06:26.04 | brlcad | why reimplement rand() was the question I'd read |
| 06:26.07 | JeffM2501 | but I won't :) |
| 06:26.29 | trepan | biggeruniverse: if you implemented server-side state, it might be useful ;) |
| 06:26.34 | DTRemenak | :( |
| 06:26.38 | biggeruniverse | I'm working on it |
| 06:26.42 | biggeruniverse | that's a big change |
| 06:26.48 | JeffM2501 | the per tank gravity, that's usefull |
| 06:26.54 | biggeruniverse | thx |
| 06:27.00 | brlcad | server-side state better not be a damn patch :) |
| 06:27.07 | DTRemenak | heh |
| 06:27.11 | biggeruniverse | To me useful is very good, but so is polish |
| 06:27.11 | DTRemenak | that'd be a big patch |
| 06:27.16 | biggeruniverse | (and russian) |
| 06:27.25 | biggeruniverse | It will be! |
| 06:27.26 | brlcad | better prove credibility through smaller patches and get commit access :P |
| 06:27.44 | DTRemenak | I think he's working on that too |
| 06:27.54 | biggeruniverse | polish solves no problems, but makes the experience better |
| 06:28.14 | brlcad | solves a problem for people that speak polish |
| 06:28.17 | JeffM2501 | it does solve a problem |
| 06:28.18 | JeffM2501 | yeah |
| 06:28.18 | biggeruniverse | The Polish solve many problems. |
| 06:28.18 | JeffM2501 | that |
| 06:28.27 | JeffM2501 | it adds a real feature |
| 06:28.31 | DTRemenak | heh |
| 06:28.48 | biggeruniverse | you won't get me with the polish joke |
| 06:29.15 | biggeruniverse | as in pollish? |
| 06:29.38 | biggeruniverse | haha |
| 06:29.44 | DTRemenak | ~dict polish |
| 06:29.54 | DTRemenak | JeffM2501: it's the inglish language :) |
| 06:30.01 | DTRemenak | source of infinite problems |
| 06:30.05 | JeffM2501 | don't haha, the guy who can delete your patches ;) |
| 06:30.19 | JeffM2501 | I only speak bad english |
| 06:30.24 | biggeruniverse | hehe then |
| 06:30.28 | brlcad | implementing your own random number generator would be useful for only a few purposes that come to mind.. repeatable results; or some performance boost e.g. via table lookups; or some sampling behavior difference .. none of those except performance are of real value .. and performance only matters after you've profiled and found that to be a place to optimize |
| 06:30.32 | DTRemenak | no, you only speak english poorly ;) |
| 06:30.49 | JeffM2501 | I'm sure I speak better then I type |
| 06:30.55 | biggeruniverse | brlcad did you look at the patch? |
| 06:30.57 | DTRemenak | that is true |
| 06:31.07 | JeffM2501 | brlcad, if repeatble results is desired, you'd also need repeatable math |
| 06:31.15 | brlcad | biggeruniverse: did you read when I said you're in the waiting queue? :) |
| 06:31.20 | biggeruniverse | rand() is repeatable |
| 06:31.22 | a_meteorite | repititable ;) |
| 06:31.23 | brlcad | and it *just* became a patch for that matter |
| 06:31.25 | biggeruniverse | so are any |
| 06:31.30 | biggeruniverse | give them the same seed |
| 06:31.36 | biggeruniverse | :P |
| 06:31.42 | brlcad | JeffM2501: sure.. and we need repeatable results for...... :) |
| 06:31.49 | JeffM2501 | rain |
| 06:31.50 | biggeruniverse | repeating things |
| 06:31.52 | brlcad | maybe bzbot behavior repeatability.. but that's a stretch |
| 06:31.54 | JeffM2501 | the same rain on EVERY system |
| 06:31.55 | JeffM2501 | :) |
| 06:31.58 | brlcad | heh |
| 06:31.59 | DTRemenak | hahaha |
| 06:32.02 | DTRemenak | send the seed |
| 06:32.08 | biggeruniverse | exactly |
| 06:32.09 | DTRemenak | _rainSeed ;) |
| 06:32.13 | JeffM2501 | some systems may not do the math exactly the same |
| 06:32.17 | biggeruniverse | _rainMaker |
| 06:32.18 | a_meteorite | I can see limited circumstances for that :) |
| 06:32.19 | JeffM2501 | so it may be ever so slightly off :) |
| 06:32.28 | JeffM2501 | but yeah, we need it for nothing |
| 06:32.29 | biggeruniverse | they would if you use my patch! |
| 06:32.39 | JeffM2501 | since all the important rands are server side |
| 06:32.40 | biggeruniverse | :P |
| 06:32.42 | brlcad | so again, I repeat... none of those except performance are of value.. :) |
| 06:32.44 | DTRemenak | no, not really ;) we do --ffast-math |
| 06:32.46 | JeffM2501 | biggeruniverse woudln't be enough, at that point we'd need a mathlib |
| 06:32.56 | DTRemenak | you can get different results from your rand on different systems too |
| 06:32.58 | JeffM2501 | that did the same math all the time |
| 06:33.01 | biggeruniverse | it's got very good performance. just look at it when you can |
| 06:33.15 | biggeruniverse | I feel like I'm before a subcommittee review board |
| 06:33.21 | DTRemenak | you, um, are ;) |
| 06:33.22 | JeffM2501 | you are |
| 06:33.28 | brlcad | biggeruniverse: you're still not reading too :) |
| 06:33.29 | DTRemenak | actually your patch is |
| 06:33.33 | biggeruniverse | I am! |
| 06:33.39 | JeffM2501 | as it's author |
| 06:33.42 | biggeruniverse | well, that's why I want it to talk |
| 06:33.47 | JeffM2501 | if a patch can not be defended, then ..... |
| 06:33.47 | DTRemenak | and we're the committee, not the subcommittee :) |
| 06:33.59 | DTRemenak | just be glad TimRiker isn't here ;) |
| 06:34.04 | JeffM2501 | like he'd listen |
| 06:34.07 | JeffM2501 | or even read |
| 06:34.08 | brlcad | you're promoting the code simply because it's neat code, not because it has any particular use in the game :) |
| 06:34.13 | biggeruniverse | I feel like I'm before a committee review board |
| 06:34.14 | DTRemenak | JeffM2501: like I said, here |
| 06:34.43 | biggeruniverse | I'm promoting the code because it adds platform independence and pollish |
| 06:34.53 | brlcad | ~spell pollish |
| 06:34.53 | JeffM2501 | well your in front of 3/5ths of the people who apply patches :) |
| 06:35.14 | biggeruniverse | I'm promoting the code because it adds platform independence and owlish |
| 06:35.19 | JeffM2501 | we have lots of platform dependent code. |
| 06:35.27 | biggeruniverse | is that a virtue? |
| 06:35.33 | DTRemenak | is it a fault? |
| 06:35.37 | JeffM2501 | in some cases, yes it is |
| 06:35.50 | biggeruniverse | which? |
| 06:35.52 | biggeruniverse | :P |
| 06:35.54 | JeffM2501 | joystick support |
| 06:36.09 | JeffM2501 | ts has |
| 06:36.15 | brlcad | ah, true |
| 06:36.18 | DTRemenak | ah |
| 06:36.23 | JeffM2501 | and I threw one more in for "someone" :) |
| 06:36.26 | brlcad | heh |
| 06:36.30 | biggeruniverse | ts's doHeightCheck is my enemy |
| 06:36.37 | JeffM2501 | tim does sometimes |
| 06:36.42 | JeffM2501 | biggeruniverse so fix it |
| 06:36.44 | DTRemenak | yeah, I understood #5, I just couldn't think of #4 :) |
| 06:36.59 | brlcad | ehh.. that sometimes is now at the rate of like one every other year |
| 06:37.16 | biggeruniverse | JeffM2501 I need to fire up gdb on the server first |
| 06:37.17 | JeffM2501 | I'm amazed at how often the numbers I pull outa my ass are accurate :) |
| 06:37.34 | JeffM2501 | so do it :) |
| 06:37.42 | brlcad | dont' do it! |
| 06:37.43 | DTRemenak | yay gdb |
| 06:37.47 | biggeruniverse | amen |
| 06:37.48 | DTRemenak | do it! |
| 06:37.53 | biggeruniverse | I will! |
| 06:37.57 | JeffM2501 | I can't see the point of NOT having a debuger on every system :) |
| 06:38.00 | biggeruniverse | But this is not the laptop |
| 06:38.04 | DTRemenak | JeffM2501: no kidding |
| 06:38.14 | JeffM2501 | they fear it, I know not why |
| 06:38.23 | biggeruniverse | this is my amd64X2 |
| 06:38.31 | brlcad | and automatic backtraces for all crashes logged to files |
| 06:38.39 | JeffM2501 | I hate having to build release |
| 06:38.43 | JeffM2501 | like I had to doday |
| 06:38.57 | JeffM2501 | DTRemenak we have a lib with numega that CAN do that |
| 06:38.58 | biggeruniverse | to doday |
| 06:39.04 | DTRemenak | really? |
| 06:39.13 | biggeruniverse | hey, I don't make this stuff up |
| 06:39.13 | JeffM2501 | yeah it's part of the boundschecker thingy |
| 06:39.18 | DTRemenak | cool |
| 06:39.38 | JeffM2501 | tho today was uninited values for toolpath Y |
| 06:39.43 | JeffM2501 | so it would NEVER crash in the debuger |
| 06:39.51 | biggeruniverse | ouch |
| 06:39.57 | DTRemenak | turn on break on uninited var use |
| 06:40.23 | JeffM2501 | it was in another module |
| 06:40.26 | DTRemenak | ah |
| 06:40.27 | JeffM2501 | was wacky convoluted |
| 06:40.33 | JeffM2501 | the VMM was actualy the problem |
| 06:40.37 | DTRemenak | heh |
| 06:41.15 | biggeruniverse | now I'm really out |
| 06:41.26 | JeffM2501 | when the sync dialog said "unable to display runtime, program takes over 24 hours" I knew there was a problem :) |
| 06:41.28 | biggeruniverse | must sleep now |
| 06:41.33 | JeffM2501 | have fun |
| 06:41.40 | biggeruniverse | I will try |
| 06:42.28 | a_meteorite | fun sleeping? :) |
| 06:42.36 | a_meteorite | fun dreaming? :P |
| 06:42.52 | JeffM2501 | different strokes for different folks |
| 06:42.57 | a_meteorite | heh |
| 06:43.06 | biggeruniverse | you spelled it right! |
| 06:43.21 | JeffM2501 | turned on the spell checker |
| 06:43.43 | biggeruniverse | well, then add difrent to the dictionary |
| 06:44.22 | JeffM2501 | dunno how :) |
| 06:44.27 | biggeruniverse | heh |
| 06:44.34 | a_meteorite | I really like fourms :) |
| 06:44.39 | biggeruniverse | see, I'm away |
| 06:44.55 | JeffM2501 | one of these days I'm just gonna ban everyone |
| 06:44.58 | JeffM2501 | and say it was a typo |
| 06:45.01 | a_meteorite | haha |
| 06:45.08 | JeffM2501 | and he thinks I joke |
| 06:45.25 | biggeruniverse | he's been drinking chilled red wine |
| 06:45.30 | DTRemenak | heh |
| 06:45.30 | a_meteorite | I meant /nab not /ban ! |
| 06:45.36 | JeffM2501 | be REALY easy to make that my last thing if I quit again ;) |
| 06:45.47 | DTRemenak | be really easy to undo too ;) |
| 06:46.00 | JeffM2501 | depends how I did it |
| 06:46.19 | JeffM2501 | randomise the usernames :) |
| 06:46.26 | DTRemenak | backups :) |
| 06:46.32 | biggeruniverse | don't use rand()! |
| 06:46.36 | DTRemenak | hehe |
| 06:46.41 | JeffM2501 | how often does he take them? |
| 06:46.49 | JeffM2501 | be a good test of the back ups :) |
| 06:47.11 | DTRemenak | I would assume we have our mysql dumping backups regularly |
| 06:47.13 | DTRemenak | if not, we should |
| 06:47.28 | JeffM2501 | I think they are weekly |
| 06:47.32 | JeffM2501 | "I think" |
| 06:47.38 | DTRemenak | losing a week is no big deal |
| 06:47.40 | JeffM2501 | yeah |
| 06:47.45 | a_meteorite | "uh oh, the backup hard drive failed..." |
| 06:47.55 | DTRemenak | and if all you did was randomize the usernames, we could just restore username-id associations |
| 06:48.04 | JeffM2501 | wonder if I could hit the trashcan on 2 of those accounts on sf |
| 06:48.07 | JeffM2501 | THAT would be fun |
| 06:48.11 | DTRemenak | haha |
| 06:48.17 | JeffM2501 | loose all my SF services tho |
| 06:48.19 | JeffM2501 | and that would suck |
| 06:48.23 | DTRemenak | yup |
| 06:48.39 | JeffM2501 | may take tim a month or so to figure it out |
| 06:49.41 | JeffM2501 | well deleting users from SF would be hard to roll back |
| 06:49.44 | DTRemenak | we have a lihtuanian translation? |
| 06:50.05 | DTRemenak | can always clone the sf account onto bzflag2 or something |
| 06:50.17 | JeffM2501 | oh man, I CAN, uncheck that checkbox |
| 06:50.18 | *** join/#bzflag Legoguy (n=Legoguy@adsl-71-143-225-39.dsl.emhril.sbcglobal.net) |
| 06:50.30 | DTRemenak | or just have tim request a restoration |
| 06:50.46 | JeffM2501 | yeah you could get it back, but it'd be anoying |
| 06:50.51 | JeffM2501 | and that'd be the point :) |
| 06:50.57 | DTRemenak | hehe |
| 06:51.19 | JeffM2501 | but realy, it does look like I can change the status |
| 06:51.22 | JeffM2501 | thats kinda scary |
| 06:51.36 | DTRemenak | why? you're an admin, you should be able to change everything |
| 06:51.51 | JeffM2501 | didn't know if they flaged the requester of the thing special |
| 06:52.10 | DTRemenak | if they did, we'd need to find crs :) |
| 06:52.14 | DTRemenak | and THAT would be a pain |
| 06:52.27 | JeffM2501 | well no, Tim could have done a legit transfer |
| 06:52.35 | JeffM2501 | and they changed the requester |
| 06:52.40 | JeffM2501 | like I did with opencombat |
| 06:52.54 | DTRemenak | no, I doubt it |
| 06:52.56 | JeffM2501 | did CRS do the SF site? |
| 06:53.02 | DTRemenak | I think so, but I'm not sure |
| 06:53.10 | DTRemenak | tim did the initial checkin |
| 06:53.15 | DTRemenak | but he was more familiar with cvs |
| 06:53.17 | JeffM2501 | that's why I'm not sure |
| 06:53.27 | JeffM2501 | yeah CRS used to send me code in tarballs:) |
| 06:53.36 | DTRemenak | yeah |
| 06:53.46 | JeffM2501 | first time I was "how the hell do I unzip this?" |
| 06:53.51 | DTRemenak | hehe |
| 06:53.59 | DTRemenak | at least he didn't send you a .Z |
| 06:53.59 | purple_cow | tim spurred the SF setup |
| 06:54.10 | JeffM2501 | then I had to add unix line feed conversion support to winwasher |
| 06:54.23 | DTRemenak | heh |
| 06:56.07 | JeffM2501 | now the best thing for me to do would be to slowly plan it, and sneak code into the servers and plugins :) |
| 06:56.25 | JeffM2501 | so that the servers would DDOS the list |
| 06:56.53 | JeffM2501 | but no.. no I've not thought about it at all |
| 06:57.58 | JeffM2501 | oooo irlicht added multisample for linux :) |
| 06:58.17 | JeffM2501 | and vsync |
| 06:58.18 | DTRemenak | you're one of the few people who could possibly get that by me too...I'm too used to thinks like "put the candle back" |
| 06:58.37 | JeffM2501 | exactly |
| 06:58.50 | JeffM2501 | do a bunch of massive changes for stuff that "looks" cool |
| 06:58.54 | JeffM2501 | code reorgs |
| 06:58.59 | JeffM2501 | noone will check it all :) |
| 06:59.23 | JeffM2501 | make a plugin that plays sounds with play history tracker, don't check it in |
| 06:59.26 | JeffM2501 | put it on bzbb |
| 06:59.34 | JeffM2501 | EVERYONE would pick that sucker up :) |
| 06:59.39 | DTRemenak | heh |
| 06:59.46 | JeffM2501 | specialy if I made the saying realy funny |
| 06:59.49 | DTRemenak | someone would probably read the code though |
| 06:59.57 | a_meteorite | april fools for things harmless such as that ;) |
| 07:00.00 | DTRemenak | course the code could be legit |
| 07:00.08 | DTRemenak | post a tainted binary |
| 07:00.09 | a_meteorite | I'd love a plugin that said stuff for april fools, hehe |
| 07:00.14 | JeffM2501 | most plugins are built |
| 07:00.22 | JeffM2501 | but yeah, if I did bad bins |
| 07:00.29 | JeffM2501 | server code would be easy to sneak in |
| 07:00.32 | JeffM2501 | over time |
| 07:00.35 | JeffM2501 | that'd be the problem |
| 07:00.39 | DTRemenak | yup |
| 07:00.40 | JeffM2501 | it'd take like a year |
| 07:00.45 | JeffM2501 | of not telling you at work |
| 07:00.49 | JeffM2501 | cus THAT would be hard |
| 07:01.14 | DTRemenak | although hey, pull another "put the candle back"...commit the entire source of every file, be easy to slip stuff in that way ;) |
| 07:01.29 | DTRemenak | who me, paranoid? |
| 07:01.33 | JeffM2501 | or make a new bzedit that installed crap onto the machines |
| 07:01.36 | JeffM2501 | and gave me a botnet |
| 07:02.08 | JeffM2501 | hell an UPDATE to bzedit that added importabl meshes and textures could do that decenly enough |
| 07:02.27 | a_meteorite | :o |
| 07:02.28 | DTRemenak | with bz itself you'd also have to be sure your changes built and ran on mac and linux too, otherwise you'd be detected |
| 07:02.30 | JeffM2501 | couple cheat bins posted anon |
| 07:02.36 | JeffM2501 | yeah |
| 07:02.45 | JeffM2501 | tho #def for windows would be fine :) |
| 07:02.52 | DTRemenak | that, I would notice |
| 07:03.01 | JeffM2501 | you search for #defs? |
| 07:03.07 | JeffM2501 | ahh |
| 07:03.13 | DTRemenak | yeah, to make sure we're consistent |
| 07:03.26 | DTRemenak | _WIN32, for instance, not __WIN32__ or WIN32 |
| 07:03.31 | JeffM2501 | stuff that opened a conection would be too bad |
| 07:03.33 | JeffM2501 | just use curl |
| 07:03.38 | JeffM2501 | to spam the URL :) |
| 07:03.59 | JeffM2501 | the API has that nice async URL job class now :) |
| 07:04.02 | DTRemenak | you'd have to figure out how to trigger it quietly so it didn't set off firewalls |
| 07:04.17 | JeffM2501 | port 80 to the list server |
| 07:04.19 | JeffM2501 | like we do now |
| 07:04.24 | a_meteorite | and watch out for the code vigilantes ;) |
| 07:04.41 | JeffM2501 | hell they can't catch my bugs now a_meteorite |
| 07:04.41 | DTRemenak | in such a situation, the list server would no longer be under your control ;) |
| 07:04.44 | a_meteorite | JeffM2501: lol |
| 07:04.55 | JeffM2501 | DTRemenak but the point would be to kill the list server |
| 07:04.58 | JeffM2501 | it'd be the target |
| 07:05.07 | JeffM2501 | so that if you ban the atack you ban your users |
| 07:05.15 | a_meteorite | hah |
| 07:05.25 | DTRemenak | no, the point is, we could turn off the trigger for the attack |
| 07:05.26 | JeffM2501 | and have no easy way to tell them to downgrade |
| 07:05.28 | DTRemenak | no need to ban |
| 07:05.32 | *** join/#bzflag Pommes (n=Pommes@about/essy/frenchy/Pommes) |
| 07:05.36 | JeffM2501 | if you got them to all upgrade code |
| 07:05.41 | DTRemenak | no |
| 07:05.48 | DTRemenak | unless you had it timed |
| 07:05.55 | JeffM2501 | rand() ;) |
| 07:05.58 | DTRemenak | you have to have some way of getting them to start |
| 07:06.05 | JeffM2501 | yeah |
| 07:06.17 | DTRemenak | it'd have to lay dormant for a while, checking something to see when to go off |
| 07:06.18 | JeffM2501 | scan the list, and connect with a magic email addy |
| 07:06.31 | DTRemenak | see, with the list server, you lose control fast |
| 07:06.46 | JeffM2501 | all I'd have to do is get to start once |
| 07:06.47 | DTRemenak | and with anything else, you run the risk of getting detected |
| 07:06.59 | DTRemenak | not really |
| 07:07.09 | JeffM2501 | have it set a local file |
| 07:07.16 | JeffM2501 | tho that's probly the toughie |
| 07:07.19 | JeffM2501 | perms and all |
| 07:07.21 | DTRemenak | yup |
| 07:07.32 | JeffM2501 | a magic key in the MOTD |
| 07:07.39 | JeffM2501 | that if i don't update triggers it :) |
| 07:07.44 | DTRemenak | motd would be more interesting |
| 07:07.49 | JeffM2501 | take a while to find |
| 07:07.53 | DTRemenak | because you could hypothetically retain control of it |
| 07:08.01 | DTRemenak | for a good while anyway |
| 07:08.05 | JeffM2501 | yeah |
| 07:08.12 | JeffM2501 | some kinda deadmans switch |
| 07:08.24 | DTRemenak | heh, but then what happens when you die? :) |
| 07:08.26 | JeffM2501 | that is hard to trackdown |
| 07:08.35 | DTRemenak | accidental triggerage would suck |
| 07:08.43 | JeffM2501 | something I'd have to keep updating, or it would puke |
| 07:08.50 | JeffM2501 | and then go atack the list |
| 07:08.51 | JeffM2501 | yeah |
| 07:09.16 | a_meteorite | we'd have to go to jeff's funeral :) |
| 07:09.32 | DTRemenak | I'd be likely to go anyway :) |
| 07:09.34 | JeffM2501 | have it trigger if I didn't have a client scan and tag the servers every week |
| 07:09.43 | JeffM2501 | so as soon as you kill my list server access, it triggers them |
| 07:09.57 | JeffM2501 | storing local state would suck tho |
| 07:10.15 | JeffM2501 | be interesting to find out how many bzfs's have write access to there filesystems tho :) |
| 07:10.33 | DTRemenak | I'd guess almost none |
| 07:10.46 | JeffM2501 | once you do your groupDB change, more ;) |
| 07:10.50 | DTRemenak | most probably have write access at some place in the home directory |
| 07:11.01 | JeffM2501 | yeah I just mean somewhere |
| 07:11.03 | DTRemenak | but I doubt many people run as a full user |
| 07:11.05 | JeffM2501 | somewhere to hide a file |
| 07:11.14 | DTRemenak | although probably some run as a superuser :S |
| 07:11.43 | JeffM2501 | just to keep the date of the last update by my scaning tool |
| 07:11.50 | JeffM2501 | that I'd pass off as my own stats site :) |
| 07:12.50 | JeffM2501 | or when the client checks the MOTD it makes sure that jeffm2501 is still a project admin on SF :) |
| 07:12.59 | JeffM2501 | that would be intersting |
| 07:13.05 | DTRemenak | but really, it'd be a lot of work to do, for not much reward |
| 07:13.11 | JeffM2501 | it'd make you move to a new project |
| 07:13.11 | JeffM2501 | true |
| 07:13.56 | JeffM2501 | now if cell had a game, with a list server, and make all the clients tag THAT server, that would totaly be worth it :) |
| 07:14.28 | DTRemenak | heh |
| 07:14.55 | JeffM2501 | I'm betting most of the clients wouldn't be behind a URL scaning firewall |
| 07:15.08 | DTRemenak | all it takes is one |
| 07:15.10 | JeffM2501 | so haveing the clients check extra data on the SF site on MOTD would not be a bad way |
| 07:15.24 | DTRemenak | "dude why is bzflag looking at this stuff" |
| 07:15.36 | JeffM2501 | sfmain site the same IP as our website? |
| 07:15.47 | DTRemenak | no |
| 07:15.52 | a_meteorite | blast007: mind if I post your php bzw generator? |
| 07:15.54 | JeffM2501 | that would help track it |
| 07:16.14 | a_meteorite | or whatever you want to call it |
| 07:16.49 | JeffM2501 | unless I commit the change as a way for the client to check SF for new downloads :) |
| 07:16.58 | JeffM2501 | have it get the main project page |
| 07:17.08 | JeffM2501 | to check the current version on SF :) |
| 07:17.14 | JeffM2501 | tho that'd be poor design |
| 07:17.20 | JeffM2501 | cus they change there stuff |
| 07:18.29 | DTRemenak | yup |
| 07:18.40 | JeffM2501 | waiting till we had a distributed list server, and geting a URL I controlled into the check order would be a good way |
| 07:18.49 | JeffM2501 | but then I think we'd make sure they were all bzflag.org addys |
| 07:18.54 | DTRemenak | yup |
| 07:19.40 | JeffM2501 | find out the renewal date on bzflag.org, get the real botnet people to DDOS tim so he can't renew |
| 07:19.43 | JeffM2501 | then gank the domain :) |
| 07:19.57 | DTRemenak | hah |
| 07:20.06 | DTRemenak | I suspect you'd have to wait a few years for that |
| 07:20.09 | JeffM2501 | when is the renewal on that |
| 07:20.11 | JeffM2501 | yeah probalby |
| 07:20.17 | a_meteorite | do it right before it expires |
| 07:20.19 | a_meteorite | ;) |
| 07:20.25 | JeffM2501 | or flood the crap out of his dns server |
| 07:20.34 | JeffM2501 | is cable modem CAN't hold that much |
| 07:20.51 | JeffM2501 | woudn't even need that many clients to do it |
| 07:20.54 | DTRemenak | Expiration Date:26-Jan-2008 |
| 07:21.02 | JeffM2501 | not that far off |
| 07:21.13 | DTRemenak | CLIENT TRANSFER PROHIBITED |
| 07:21.17 | DTRemenak | what does that mean? |
| 07:21.23 | JeffM2501 | so I get a server, make a way cooler stats site, offer a plugin that servers run that adds better stats to my site |
| 07:21.36 | JeffM2501 | then have that plugin check my server URL for the key :) |
| 07:21.42 | a_meteorite | uh oh, sounds like me |
| 07:21.52 | DTRemenak | heh |
| 07:21.53 | a_meteorite | cause I already got a Stats plugin open |
| 07:22.39 | DTRemenak | JeffM2501: ns1.rikers.org is the authoritative dns server, but there are permanent backups |
| 07:22.59 | JeffM2501 | wonder where they are |
| 07:23.12 | DTRemenak | ns.mecworks.com and ns2.codepoet.org |
| 07:23.21 | JeffM2501 | wonder where those are |
| 07:24.15 | DTRemenak | heh, from mecworks.com "I have placed a mirror of the new Linux 2.2.0 kernel source on this server..." |
| 07:24.25 | DTRemenak | welcome to 1999! |
| 07:24.42 | JeffM2501 | so don't count on that one to be cool :) |
| 07:24.59 | JeffM2501 | well at least all the ways are rather dificult to implement |
| 07:25.00 | a_meteorite | probably a state-of-the-art T1 from then |
| 07:25.04 | a_meteorite | :) |
| 07:25.08 | DTRemenak | "Mecworks was upgraded over the last two days from an old pentium 90mhz machine to a dual 300a Celeron w/128M ECC RAM and an Asus P2B-DS motherboard." |
| 07:25.13 | a_meteorite | Hah! |
| 07:25.16 | JeffM2501 | the easest way now would just be to hit the current list till it cracked, as we've seen |
| 07:25.45 | DTRemenak | even that wouldn't be that hard to get around |
| 07:25.56 | JeffM2501 | yeah |
| 07:26.04 | JeffM2501 | depends on what kinda net you have access too |
| 07:26.49 | JeffM2501 | I do have access to the web php pages, I could sneak a password sucker into bzbb |
| 07:26.54 | JeffM2501 | but thats only cus I'm me |
| 07:26.59 | JeffM2501 | then get a botnet to login with real users |
| 07:27.09 | JeffM2501 | with real requets |
| 07:27.13 | JeffM2501 | that'd be harder to block |
| 07:27.30 | JeffM2501 | depending on the size of the botnet |
| 07:27.32 | JeffM2501 | of course |
| 07:27.47 | JeffM2501 | make everyone login to bzbb and do searches :) |
| 07:28.25 | JeffM2501 | tho actualy no, I don't have write access to web |
| 07:28.27 | JeffM2501 | thankfully |
| 07:28.38 | JeffM2501 | so all you ahve to do is worry about blast007 being evil :) |
| 07:28.47 | DTRemenak | blast007 is not evil ;) |
| 07:29.00 | DTRemenak | (I hope) |
| 07:29.10 | JeffM2501 | tho I could get write access if I asked |
| 07:29.29 | JeffM2501 | is it possible to reverse the MD5s into real passwords? |
| 07:29.34 | JeffM2501 | if I had a db dump? |
| 07:29.40 | DTRemenak | no, but you wouldn't need to |
| 07:29.43 | DTRemenak | you can log in with the md5s |
| 07:29.48 | JeffM2501 | you can? |
| 07:29.51 | DTRemenak | iirc |
| 07:29.57 | JeffM2501 | that sucks |
| 07:29.58 | DTRemenak | at least for bzfls |
| 07:30.04 | DTRemenak | not sure about phpbb |
| 07:30.12 | DTRemenak | it's a feature, not a bug ;) |
| 07:30.27 | DTRemenak | means that if you didn't trust the list server you could send your password prehashed |
| 07:30.28 | JeffM2501 | just so the client dosn't send plaintext? |
| 07:30.35 | a_meteorite | I hear if you get the phpbb sid, you can login somehow |
| 07:31.04 | JeffM2501 | realy should have done it https |
| 07:31.08 | DTRemenak | yup |
| 07:31.47 | DTRemenak | the client does send plaintext, iirc; the list server will take either though. I don't remember everything though. |
| 07:31.55 | JeffM2501 | hmm |
| 07:32.21 | JeffM2501 | tricky way would be to have random stuff send small amounts of trafic to bzflag.bz |
| 07:32.24 | JeffM2501 | slowly slowing it down |
| 07:32.31 | JeffM2501 | so there wouldn't be a huge spike |
| 07:32.40 | JeffM2501 | woudl take someone a while to notice |
| 07:32.55 | JeffM2501 | just ahve it get worse and worse |
| 07:32.58 | JeffM2501 | and drive people away |
| 07:33.44 | *** join/#bzflag CIA-3 (i=cia@cia.navi.cx) |
| 07:33.50 | JeffM2501 | ooo, I got this, |
| 07:33.58 | JeffM2501 | have the clients check for a server to be up |
| 07:34.03 | JeffM2501 | in the list |
| 07:34.19 | JeffM2501 | if it's not, for more then 3 updates, it sets a flag |
| 07:34.26 | JeffM2501 | then 2 days later, floods the crap outa stuff |
| 07:35.08 | DTRemenak | good trigger, except when the list goes down temporarily, or the server does ;) |
| 07:35.14 | JeffM2501 | yeah |
| 07:35.45 | JeffM2501 | double check it with extra info in the MOTD |
| 07:36.03 | JeffM2501 | between the 2 it may work |
| 07:36.14 | JeffM2501 | if one is gone for too long, then trigger |
| 07:36.44 | JeffM2501 | and have a disarm code in the MOTD I could put in during the 2 day countdown |
| 07:36.51 | JeffM2501 | so if we had a big failure, I could reset it |
| 07:37.13 | JeffM2501 | since if I was still "in" I'd know about a big failure |
| 07:37.18 | JeffM2501 | for longer then a day or so |
| 07:37.46 | JeffM2501 | too much worth for effort tho |
| 07:38.53 | JeffM2501 | now since we don't verify that the MOTD on the webserver is the same as the one in CVS |
| 07:39.06 | JeffM2501 | I could get code into the MOTD that woudl push out a "new" windows version |
| 07:39.21 | JeffM2501 | and ahve a bunch of peole get updated to a bad bin |
| 07:40.00 | JeffM2501 | tho the first person to run it on windows and thank the devs for the new version would trigger inquiry |
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| 15:01.03 | findlay | SportChick: ping |
| 15:19.36 | SportChick | findlay: pong |
| 15:25.17 | findlay | SportChick: I remember a while ago TimRiker talking about some kind of jitter problem you had. Can you tell me more about it and what the solution was? |
| 15:26.56 | SportChick | it was in version 2.0.0 through 2.0.4 iirc. I play on a laptop & it had something to do with the clock (or something) on my computer not keeping time properly |
| 15:27.27 | SportChick | the fix is built into subsequent versions |
| 15:28.14 | findlay | the system clock or the kernel timer? |
| 15:28.37 | SportChick | no idea, I'mm blonde :) |
| 15:28.44 | findlay | heh |
| 15:28.48 | findlay | sure |
| 15:29.14 | SportChick | i just know for about 5 months i coiuldn't play |
| 15:29.48 | findlay | I've been having jitter problems since somewhere after version 2 till now |
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| 15:33.44 | Journeyman | I am trying to run a map that only has 2 teams for ctf but running the server gives me an error saying there is not spot for the other team |
| 15:33.52 | Journeyman | how do I tell it to only use 2 teams |
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| 15:40.51 | SportChick | findlay: what version are you running? |
| 15:45.18 | ts | brlcad: ping |
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| 15:49.14 | Journeyman | no one knows how to make it only use 2 teams? |
| 15:49.52 | blast007 | bzfs -help |
| 15:49.55 | blast007 | look for -mp |
| 15:50.01 | blast007 | (max players) |
| 15:50.19 | Journeyman | that is max players per team |
| 15:50.28 | blast007 | right.. |
| 15:50.28 | Journeyman | I want to limit the teams themselvs |
| 15:50.31 | blast007 | right.. |
| 15:50.35 | Journeyman | like only have a red and blue team |
| 15:50.38 | blast007 | set the teams you don't want to 0 :P |
| 15:50.40 | Journeyman | oh |
| 15:50.48 | Journeyman | right, that makes sense |
| 15:54.18 | Journeyman | thank you very much |
| 15:54.38 | blast007 | np |
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| 16:11.41 | CBG | mother just got home, let all the cold air in... grrr |
| 16:16.19 | Kaniaz | Gotta love that cold air |
| 16:17.14 | CBG | uhh, no. |
| 16:17.27 | Kaniaz | Ah, c'mon |
| 16:17.35 | Kaniaz | At least it reminds you you're (unfortunately) alive |
| 16:18.25 | CBG | my eyes do that too... |
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| 16:18.35 | CBG | don't need cold air. |
| 16:18.40 | CBG | yo yo TheRedBaron |
| 16:18.41 | Kaniaz | ...Damn. |
| 16:18.44 | Kaniaz | And all this time I've been freezing |
| 16:19.31 | CBG | heh |
| 16:19.36 | TheRedBaron | ~weather KTLH |
| 16:21.06 | TheRedBaron | its actually a rather sleek grey/overcast |
| 16:29.42 | Journeyman | is there a shield option at all? |
| 16:31.47 | TheRedBaron | the flag |
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| 17:23.49 | findlay | SportChick: 2.0.8 |
| 17:31.24 | findlay | ~scare Kaniaz with godaddy |
| 17:31.28 | ibot | ACTION puts on a hockey mask and jumps out at Kaniaz with godaddy |
| 17:32.04 | Kaniaz | More by the hockey mask than the godaddy |
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| 17:32.59 | findlay | heh |
| 17:33.08 | biggeruniverse_l | hello alls |
| 17:34.13 | biggeruniverse_l | ~seen biggeruniverse |
| 17:34.37 | ibot | biggeruniverse is currently on #bzflag (1d 2h 24m 8s). Has said a total of 308 messages. Is idling for 10h 48m 5s, last said: 'don't use rand()!'. |
| 17:34.51 | biggeruniverse_l | I wonder what that means |
| 17:34.54 | biggeruniverse_l | heh |
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| 17:51.13 | biggeruniverse_l | hey ts! |
| 17:51.25 | biggeruniverse_l | oh. auto-reconnect |
| 17:52.05 | ts | hello |
| 17:56.08 | biggeruniverse_l | hi! |
| 17:56.28 | biggeruniverse_l | ok, question about server-side silence. everyone listening? |
| 17:56.44 | biggeruniverse_l | should the silenced player be notified when they have been silenced? |
| 17:57.29 | biggeruniverse_l | Are you one of those people who uses the third person a lot? |
| 17:57.47 | biggeruniverse_l | indeed |
| 17:57.52 | Kaniaz | Oh yes. |
| 17:58.16 | Kaniaz | I figure the person should be notified when they're silenced, else it'd confuse them |
| 17:58.22 | Kaniaz | Whether or not it is, does or ever will, I don't know |
| 18:01.54 | findlay | ~silence me |
| 18:02.07 | ibot | ACTION shoves an apple in findlay's mouth, shoves a spit through ... well, uhm, anyway ... then builds a nice fire and starts roasting |
| 18:02.08 | findlay | hm |
| 18:02.47 | biggeruniverse_l | actually, I'm starting with something lame: /serlence |
| 18:02.59 | findlay | ibot isn't, well, as virtuous as is proper all the time |
| 18:03.15 | ibot | findlay: what are you talking about? |
| 18:03.20 | biggeruniverse_l | /shaddup wasn't descriptive enough |
| 18:04.30 | findlay | ibot, no it's what are *you* talking about? |
| 18:04.33 | ibot | findlay: what are you talking about? |
| 18:04.40 | findlay | ibot: whatever |
| 18:04.41 | ibot | whatever is, like, an expression of confusionambivalence, or something else |
| 18:15.38 | biggeruniverse_l | ibot: you're cool |
| 18:15.43 | ibot | Of course I am! |
| 18:15.56 | biggeruniverse_l | ibot: stop being smart with me |
| 18:15.57 | ibot | ACTION leaps to his feet and stops being smart with me |
| 18:16.06 | biggeruniverse_l | heh |
| 18:16.26 | biggeruniverse_l | ibot: dances a jig |
| 18:16.51 | biggeruniverse_l | lazy bot! |
| 18:17.15 | JeffM2501 | if you want to abbuse the bot, take it to botpark |
| 18:17.31 | biggeruniverse_l | that's what SportChick said! |
| 18:17.39 | biggeruniverse_l | exactly! |
| 18:17.57 | JeffM2501 | then you should have listened to her |
| 18:18.12 | biggeruniverse_l | what else am I supposed to do? no one is interacting |
| 18:18.19 | Kaniaz | Well it is IRC |
| 18:18.26 | Kaniaz | The place where people, y'know, don't interact (unless they have to) |
| 18:18.38 | biggeruniverse_l | and abuse bots, you know |
| 18:18.44 | biggeruniverse_l | where's my cbot? |
| 18:18.44 | JeffM2501 | this channel isn't here for you to spam with bots |
| 18:19.02 | biggeruniverse_l | are you ever? |
| 18:19.06 | JeffM2501 | yes |
| 18:19.28 | biggeruniverse_l | (that's supposed to be _laptop |
| 18:19.30 | biggeruniverse_l | ) |
| 18:22.24 | biggeruniverse_l | ok, server-side silence is almost ready |
| 18:22.26 | biggeruniverse_l | I need to test |
| 18:22.31 | JeffM2501 | cool |
| 18:22.31 | biggeruniverse_l | I'll do that later |
| 18:23.07 | biggeruniverse_l | I used a silenced[], so that it wouldn't need to hog state, and is O(c) for all players |
| 18:23.30 | biggeruniverse_l | also, isSilenced(int playerId) |
| 18:23.37 | JeffM2501 | doubt that it's that big a performance hit, but what ever works |
| 18:23.55 | biggeruniverse_l | yeah, I mostly did it so as not to hog state |
| 18:24.17 | biggeruniverse_l | the performance is a bonus :) |
| 18:24.26 | ts | O(c) for all players? so we have O(n) in total ;) |
| 18:24.55 | biggeruniverse_l | O(c) is like optimization nirvana |
| 18:25.07 | biggeruniverse_l | You know what I mean :P |
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| 18:25.37 | biggeruniverse_l | not O(c) for *each* player, O(c) for *all* players |
| 18:26.21 | biggeruniverse_l | just use /serlence <player> |
| 18:26.29 | biggeruniverse_l | it will notify they player they have been silenced |
| 18:26.37 | Kaniaz | /seance ghosts |
| 18:26.52 | biggeruniverse_l | requires a special privilege, etx |
| 18:26.54 | biggeruniverse_l | *etc |
| 18:27.28 | biggeruniverse_l | It may be tomorrow before I submit the patch |
| 18:28.06 | ts | Why would someone want server side silencing? |
| 18:28.10 | JeffM2501 | there is no rush |
| 18:28.21 | JeffM2501 | ts, to force chat abbusers to shutup while you talk to them |
| 18:28.35 | JeffM2501 | it can also be used for other features |
| 18:28.38 | JeffM2501 | if need be |
| 18:28.46 | biggeruniverse_l | I left it so silenced players can still talk on the admin channel if they have the right to |
| 18:28.59 | JeffM2501 | as it should be |
| 18:29.04 | ts | Where is the difference to /mute ? |
| 18:29.20 | JeffM2501 | isn't that client only? |
| 18:29.26 | ts | no |
| 18:29.30 | biggeruniverse_l | heh |
| 18:29.34 | ts | /silence is for your own client |
| 18:29.36 | biggeruniverse_l | where is the impl? |
| 18:29.38 | JeffM2501 | heh |
| 18:29.39 | ts | /mute is server side |
| 18:29.45 | JeffM2501 | then nothing :) |
| 18:29.47 | biggeruniverse_l | I don't see it |
| 18:30.01 | biggeruniverse_l | is the car moving? |
| 18:30.01 | Kaniaz | That simile sucked. |
| 18:30.17 | Kaniaz | No. |
| 18:30.57 | Kaniaz | See, that's what I didn't tell you. |
| 18:31.08 | Kaniaz | The car isn't crashing into the wall, strictly, it's the wall crashing into the car. |
| 18:31.26 | JeffM2501 | what ARE you talking about man? |
| 18:31.43 | Kaniaz | The finer points of car-crashing |
| 18:31.45 | Kaniaz | ...No idea |
| 18:31.51 | JeffM2501 | babbletastic |
| 18:32.48 | Kaniaz | indeed |
| 18:33.19 | Kaniaz | I'm possibly the only person to find JoinMenu::updateTeamTexture enlightening in so many ways |
| 18:34.37 | biggeruniverse_l | ts: so, even muted, you can still send server commands? |
| 18:35.51 | biggeruniverse_l | you could then /say anything |
| 18:36.10 | biggeruniverse_l | (if you had that separate right) |
| 18:36.33 | biggeruniverse_l | I agree, the code is in place, but I think there's a hole in it |
| 18:36.37 | JeffM2501 | maybe we need a method to temproaraly make all perms fail |
| 18:36.45 | blast007 | /kick |
| 18:36.48 | blast007 | ;) |
| 18:36.51 | JeffM2501 | with out kick :) |
| 18:36.54 | JeffM2501 | to just let them sit there |
| 18:36.55 | blast007 | hehe |
| 18:37.04 | JeffM2501 | this is where a good "plan" would work |
| 18:37.05 | JeffM2501 | ;) |
| 18:37.13 | blast007 | I like plans |
| 18:37.21 | ts | biggeruniverse_1: Who gives /say perms to abusers? |
| 18:37.21 | blast007 | but then I have to do stuff |
| 18:37.54 | JeffM2501 | ts, the deal is you may give /say to everyone, and don't know they are an abbuser |
| 18:38.02 | JeffM2501 | and you may want to "park" them to talk to them |
| 18:38.06 | biggeruniverse_l | is limbo already in there too? |
| 18:38.09 | JeffM2501 | instead of just kicking them |
| 18:38.15 | ts | biggeruniverse_1: Look at BanCommands.cxx |
| 18:38.36 | blast007 | "limbo" is just when you are dead, right? |
| 18:39.04 | ts | JeffM2501: Heh, that is an implementation problem (but I doubt /say should be given to all) |
| 18:39.18 | JeffM2501 | that should be up to the server owners, not us |
| 18:40.08 | blast007 | I don't see an issue with adding the functionality to prevent a user from running commands |
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| 18:51.13 | JeffM2501 | yeah, if somone has somehow gained admin access, it may be good to have a fast "lockdown" on em |
| 18:51.46 | JeffM2501 | lock them down to being able to do nothing except respond to chat from an admin |
| 18:52.15 | JeffM2501 | but in that case just kickban em |
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| 19:12.31 | Kaniaz- | Hooray for ping timeout |
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| 19:38.54 | biggeruniverse_l | ok then |
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| 19:42.12 | biggeruniverse_l | so, mute revokes talk but not say |
| 19:43.15 | biggeruniverse_l | but is that important? |
| 19:43.52 | blast007 | heh....what was that? |
| 19:44.37 | biggeruniverse_l | guess he's banned now |
| 19:44.40 | brlcad | good question |
| 19:45.34 | biggeruniverse_l | when muted I could still /say "anything" |
| 19:45.49 | SportChick | biggeruniverse_l: not all servers allow people to USE the /say command |
| 19:46.10 | biggeruniverse_l | but if they did, /mute would be useless |
| 19:46.18 | biggeruniverse_l | am I mistaken? |
| 19:46.36 | tannerld | or you could just make a mute group move them there which has no say or talk privs :P |
| 19:47.18 | blast007 | mute groups, at least global ones, are useless |
| 19:47.20 | biggeruniverse_l | is that enough? they could still send server commands (/poll you all suck) |
| 19:47.23 | biggeruniverse_l | etc |
| 19:47.36 | tannerld | then just ban them :P |
| 19:47.50 | biggeruniverse_l | that's not what mute is fo |
| 19:47.51 | biggeruniverse_l | *for |
| 19:49.15 | biggeruniverse_l | it's to mute people so the admin can talk to them |
| 19:49.16 | *** mode/#bzflag [-b *!*edelstei*@*] by brlcad |
| 19:49.21 | biggeruniverse_l | otherwise you would just ban them |
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| 19:49.37 | blast007 | brlcad: was it maybe an autoremove? |
| 19:49.41 | blast007 | eh.. |
| 19:49.43 | tannerld | heh |
| 19:49.52 | brlcad | he's on some list.. hmm |
| 19:50.05 | Kaniaz | Ares is meant to be some sort of asynchrous DNS resolver isn't it? |
| 19:50.17 | tannerld | brlcad: naughty list? :P |
| 19:52.45 | brlcad | yeah, he is.. |
| 19:53.04 | biggeruniverse_l | naughty |
| 19:54.24 | brlcad | he's specifically on the autorem list.. though I don't recall an incident why |
| 19:54.48 | *** mode/#bzflag [-b *!*edelstei*@*] by brlcad |
| 19:57.01 | blast007 | hmm |
| 19:57.51 | brlcad | all fixed |
| 19:57.58 | brlcad | that was cell |
| 19:58.18 | biggeruniverse_l | what's cell? |
| 19:58.27 | brlcad | JeffM2501: you'll get a kick out of this story |
| 19:58.40 | brlcad | biggeruniverse_l: just an old-time bzflag trouble-maker |
| 19:58.50 | biggeruniverse_l | oh |
| 19:58.54 | Kaniaz | Why do I keep overusing /me |
| 19:58.57 | brlcad | enjoys pretending to be others |
| 19:58.58 | Kaniaz | Shoot me if I do it again |
| 19:59.25 | brlcad | to be people asking for help.. only to start spewing insanities and profanities |
| 20:00.03 | brlcad | he's been doing it for *years*, quite dedicated |
| 20:00.09 | Kaniaz | Seriously? Haha. |
| 20:00.11 | Kaniaz | That's kind of freaky. |
| 20:01.25 | biggeruniverse_l | I come on just to vent, but I don't curse... too much |
| 20:05.37 | brlcad | not even in the same league really |
| 20:05.44 | brlcad | i mean he'd spew just really weird stuff |
| 20:05.58 | brlcad | lots of channel spam if an op wasn't around |
| 20:06.08 | Kaniaz | Ugh |
| 20:06.11 | Kaniaz | Guess it was fun for all of five minutes |
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| 20:10.43 | brlcad | Kaniaz: i'm not going into all the detail -- no sense encouraging the behavior |
| 20:11.08 | brlcad | but the older folks will get it and find it amusing |
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| 20:15.48 | biggeruniverse_l | hmm |
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| 20:20.31 | Birdie | http://my.bzflag.org/bb/viewtopic.php?t=9577 |
| 20:20.34 | Birdie | spam |
| 20:24.36 | CBG | *sigh* |
| 20:24.44 | CBG | I swear people do it just to piss me off now. |
| 20:25.30 | Birdie | dude dont start again or i leave |
| 20:25.33 | biggeruniverse_l | wow |
| 20:25.43 | CBG | I'm not starting, jyst stating an observation. |
| 20:25.49 | biggeruniverse_l | you personally among 6 billion? |
| 20:26.00 | CBG | I didn't give you a lecture, didn't shout, didn't get mad. |
| 20:26.05 | biggeruniverse_l | I thought they did it to piss *me* off! |
| 20:26.44 | Birdie | its quite useless than why you said it |
| 20:26.45 | Birdie | :) |
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| 20:32.50 | JeffM2501 | Birdie, send em to me prvate please |
| 20:32.57 | JeffM2501 | no need for the channel to know |
| 20:33.03 | JeffM2501 | or go to a page that will be deleted |
| 20:34.00 | Birdie | k.. |
| 20:35.03 | JeffM2501 | thank you |
| 20:35.39 | JeffM2501 | just so you know, Erroneous , l4mr, blrcad, and myself can all do it, if I'm not around or don't respond. |
| 20:36.10 | JeffM2501 | hopefully we will get less when blast007 does the upgrade |
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| 20:37.03 | biggeruniverse_l | CBG |
| 20:37.18 | CBG | biggeruniverse_l |
| 20:37.30 | biggeruniverse_l | I think I get the better deal there |
| 20:37.35 | JeffM2501 | wonder how bad it would be to put just web.de addresses on manual moderator approval |
| 20:37.54 | Erroneous | do we even have that level of control? |
| 20:37.59 | Erroneous | heh, cell |
| 20:38.08 | JeffM2501 | no, we'd have to mod |
| 20:38.19 | blast007 | JeffM2501: yeah, I have tomorrow off of work |
| 20:38.36 | JeffM2501 | nice |
| 20:39.07 | blast007 | if they bypass the captcha, I'll write us a custom one :P |
| 20:39.12 | JeffM2501 | heh |
| 20:39.42 | CBG | still talking about the bzbb spam ? |
| 20:39.52 | CBG | tried changing a form or page name ? |
| 20:39.55 | JeffM2501 | the board upgrade to help combat it |
| 20:39.58 | JeffM2501 | CBG, we did |
| 20:40.02 | JeffM2501 | they got around that fast |
| 20:40.03 | CBG | ok |
| 20:40.06 | CBG | bummer |
| 20:40.10 | Erroneous | heh, the yahoo captcha got me a few times today...took me four times to get past it |
| 20:40.12 | JeffM2501 | but realy we need an upgrde anyway |
| 20:40.19 | Erroneous | apparently the durn bots are smarter than I am |
| 20:40.26 | JeffM2501 | if after the upgrade we need more we'll mod more fields |
| 20:40.49 | blast007 | I even updated the quick reply mod we use ;) |
| 20:40.58 | blast007 | so it'll be nice once I get it put in |
| 20:40.59 | JeffM2501 | you sir, are "the man" |
| 20:41.13 | Erroneous | woot, the man is in the house |
| 20:41.29 | blast007 | are we going to do a second database, then migrate over? |
| 20:41.39 | blast007 | or do we just backup? |
| 20:41.44 | JeffM2501 | probably whatever you want to do |
| 20:41.55 | JeffM2501 | the database isn't that big |
| 20:42.03 | JeffM2501 | so backup then upgrade is probably fine |
| 20:42.04 | Erroneous | make sure to back up anyway |
| 20:42.09 | blast007 | Erroneous: yeah ;) |
| 20:42.18 | Erroneous | probably goes without saying |
| 20:42.22 | Erroneous | but I'll say it anyway :) |
| 20:42.34 | JeffM2501 | does the new phpbb change the layout of the userdata at all? |
| 20:42.40 | JeffM2501 | will the list server have to change? |
| 20:43.00 | blast007 | JeffM2501: I ran the update_to_latest.php script on the dump that gsnedders gave me |
| 20:43.05 | blast007 | seems to work fine |
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| 20:43.13 | JeffM2501 | or would this be a good time to put a little abstraction file between the list and phpbb? |
| 20:43.29 | gsnedders | I'd wait |
| 20:43.31 | blast007 | I was gonna do that, but meh, I'd rather just get it upgraded first |
| 20:43.34 | gsnedders | make sure this works fine |
| 20:43.40 | JeffM2501 | ok |
| 20:43.40 | blast007 | then worry about that later |
| 20:44.01 | JeffM2501 | as long as the username, password, and group stuff can still be found with the same queries the list shoudl be fine |
| 20:44.34 | blast007 | I have a list set up along side my test, so I'm gonna check that first |
| 20:44.41 | JeffM2501 | cooleo |
| 20:46.17 | blast007 | I think the board was like version 2.0.3, according to what the database had |
| 20:46.38 | blast007 | so yeah, needs an upgrade ;) |
| 20:46.59 | CBG | Does the new phpBB have one of those Image Validation thingamajigs? |
| 20:47.07 | blast007 | yeah |
| 20:47.12 | blast007 | but we'll see how that works... |
| 20:47.15 | CBG | That should do it then... |
| 20:47.30 | CBG | can't imagine many would go to the bother of making a bot smart enough to pass that... |
| 20:47.39 | blast007 | uh, they do |
| 20:47.46 | CBG | bleh |
| 20:47.47 | blast007 | L4m3r has said that the vBulliten one has been cracked |
| 20:48.21 | blast007 | worst case, I'll put something of mine in |
| 20:48.28 | blast007 | and call it "whatisintheimage" |
| 20:48.33 | JeffM2501 | yeah |
| 20:48.39 | JeffM2501 | just do playe callsigns :) |
| 20:48.46 | CBG | what if we have something like: "Enter the 4th and 20th characters of this sentence into the box below." ..? |
| 20:49.02 | JeffM2501 | what's in the image will work |
| 20:49.04 | biggeruniverse_l | easily parse |
| 20:49.06 | biggeruniverse_l | *parsed |
| 20:49.06 | blast007 | CBG: hopefully it won't come to that ;) |
| 20:49.09 | JeffM2501 | it'll be deifrent enough |
| 20:49.13 | blast007 | I still like the IQ test |
| 20:49.18 | CBG | biggeruniverse: it can be random, of course... |
| 20:49.19 | blast007 | "Put your IQ here" |
| 20:49.28 | biggeruniverse_l | 75 |
| 20:49.31 | biggeruniverse_l | oh |
| 20:49.43 | blast007 | and then in the agreement have it say "Write EGADS in the IQ box" |
| 20:49.56 | blast007 | if they don't, deny the registration |
| 20:50.00 | blast007 | "Your IQ is too low" |
| 20:50.04 | CBG | "Please do us the honour of taking the 1st and 23rd characters of this sentence add typing them into the box below." |
| 20:50.27 | Erroneous | Pr |
| 20:50.42 | tannerld | "Please place your index finger on the scanner below." |
| 20:50.42 | tannerld | :P |
| 20:50.55 | biggeruniverse_l | Does it have to be mine? :P |
| 20:51.05 | biggeruniverse_l | amen |
| 20:51.09 | CBG | tannerld: :P |
| 20:51.18 | ts | biggeruniverse_1: I've raised the default height tolerance to a higher value and made it a server variable, not a hardcoded number..maybe that helps you..will check it in soon |
| 20:51.31 | biggeruniverse_l | ok |
| 20:51.33 | CBG | Let's just do retina scanning and be done with the whole sordid afair. |
| 20:51.36 | biggeruniverse_l | I hope so |
| 20:51.45 | CBG | s/afa/affa/ |
| 20:52.00 | tannerld | urine? :P |
| 20:52.07 | CBG | That too. |
| 20:52.11 | CBG | And blood samples. |
| 20:52.14 | biggeruniverse_l | please piss on your computer |
| 20:52.16 | CBG | DNA too... |
| 20:52.21 | biggeruniverse_l | you failed the iq test! |
| 20:52.38 | tannerld | heh |
| 20:52.38 | CBG | Please scrape some skin from the bottom of your tongue and mail it to... |
| 20:52.50 | CBG | Alternatively, scan it and email the image to... |
| 20:53.10 | biggeruniverse_l | savethe@mosphere.org |
| 20:53.22 | tannerld | Or fax it and send the image to... |
| 20:53.39 | biggeruniverse_l | 8675309 |
| 20:53.43 | CBG | heh |
| 20:54.27 | CIA-3 | BZFlag: 03t-s * 10bzflag/ (5 files in 4 dirs): Rais the standard tolerance in height check, make it a server variable and announce the changes in news |
| 20:54.41 | JeffM2501 | awww CIA came back |
| 20:55.02 | ts | Why "awww"? Is this a bad thing? |
| 20:55.06 | tannerld | *small print* "Shipping not included. Not responsible for injured tongues, retinas, or damaged computers." |
| 20:55.09 | JeffM2501 | no, a good thing |
| 20:55.09 | biggeruniverse_l | tada! |
| 20:55.10 | biggeruniverse_l | time to update |
| 20:55.43 | ts | biggeruniverse_1: It is a server side change |
| 20:55.44 | biggeruniverse_l | don't love him to death again |
| 20:56.04 | biggeruniverse_l | righ |
| 20:56.07 | biggeruniverse_l | right |
| 20:56.16 | biggeruniverse_l | I run a server here on the little laptop |
| 20:56.23 | ts | eww |
| 20:56.40 | biggeruniverse_l | and the client, and debugging, editor, email, and this chat window |
| 20:57.01 | biggeruniverse_l | (I use a very small kernel, small X, and fluxbox |
| 20:57.02 | biggeruniverse_l | ) |
| 20:57.25 | biggeruniverse_l | fluxbox is rocken |
| 20:57.43 | tannerld | the boom part for boxes :P |
| 20:57.45 | JeffM2501 | death from a physics driver |
| 20:58.04 | biggeruniverse_l | that almost happened to me once with ODE |
| 20:58.06 | Kaniaz | Huh |
| 20:58.13 | Kaniaz | I don't get it. |
| 20:58.19 | Kaniaz | What's a physics driver. |
| 20:58.43 | biggeruniverse_l | it's those programs in the matrix that you can't see |
| 20:58.47 | JeffM2501 | no |
| 20:58.48 | tannerld | can make your tank move or blow up. |
| 20:58.59 | JeffM2501 | you can apply drivers to surfaces |
| 20:59.02 | ts | Kaniaz: It is a description in the map what your tank should do when you hit certain objects |
| 20:59.04 | JeffM2501 | that can do many things |
| 20:59.04 | Kaniaz | Oh right |
| 20:59.07 | JeffM2501 | including kill |
| 20:59.11 | Kaniaz | At all. |
| 20:59.23 | JeffM2501 | then perhaps you should read up on the map formats a little more |
| 20:59.28 | Kaniaz | I perhaps should |
| 20:59.31 | Kaniaz | What's with the name, anyway? |
| 20:59.32 | Kaniaz | Yeah thanks |
| 20:59.36 | Kaniaz | I just realised I was emoting all over again |
| 20:59.44 | biggeruniverse_l | me too |
| 20:59.47 | JeffM2501 | and perhaps biggeruniverse_l should babble less |
| 20:59.50 | biggeruniverse_l | I should have caught it earlier |
| 20:59.50 | JeffM2501 | a lot less |
| 21:00.00 | biggeruniverse_l | :P |
| 21:00.02 | JeffM2501 | yes you should probalby cut down on the emotes, it's starting to get anoying |
| 21:00.07 | biggeruniverse_l | it's not chat if you don't talk |
| 21:00.09 | JeffM2501 | and I'm geting complaints |
| 21:00.18 | Kaniaz | Complaints about me emoting? |
| 21:00.20 | JeffM2501 | when it's your channel, run it by your rules. |
| 21:00.37 | JeffM2501 | the emotes, and the somewhat useless chatter |
| 21:00.44 | JeffM2501 | we have #bzchat for the chatter |
| 21:00.57 | Kaniaz | Fair enough |
| 21:01.13 | JeffM2501 | not to say we never go off topic |
| 21:01.19 | JeffM2501 | but it's all about signal/noise ratio |
| 21:01.23 | Kaniaz | Hey don't worry about it. |
| 21:01.27 | Kaniaz | It's not like I need an explanation; it's not my channel |
| 21:01.50 | JeffM2501 | not all of that was directed at you ;) |
| 21:02.09 | JeffM2501 | you'll get the hang of it |
| 21:02.41 | JeffM2501 | I don't recall why phydrivs had there own death state, probably for score and message reasosns |
| 21:02.46 | JeffM2501 | cus in those cases the world killed them |
| 21:02.51 | JeffM2501 | not another player |
| 21:02.51 | Kaniaz | Makes sense. |
| 21:02.59 | Kaniaz | I don't get why it's called "physicsDrive" at all. |
| 21:03.08 | JeffM2501 | it's just what it was named |
| 21:03.56 | JeffM2501 | they define changes to physics, so I guess that is one type of "driver" in that they "drive" the physcics system for that surface. |
| 21:04.46 | JeffM2501 | now if we had zone based ones :) |
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| 21:26.26 | biggeruniverse_l | ok I'm bored |
| 21:27.36 | biggeruniverse_l | cu all |
| 21:27.55 | biggeruniverse_l | I'm going back to my other projects now |
| 21:28.06 | JeffM2501 | have fun |
| 21:28.13 | Kaniaz | Enjoy. |
| 21:28.21 | biggeruniverse_l | I shall |
| 21:36.19 | JeffM2501 | apearantly not projects on this server |
| 21:37.28 | brlcad | he lives in a bigger universe |
| 21:38.07 | A-Delusion | my universe is expanding all the time |
| 21:38.09 | brlcad | maybe quakenet |
| 21:41.18 | JeffM2501 | quakeworld is prety big |
| 21:42.33 | CBG | ~dict own |
| 21:42.54 | CBG | eh |
| 21:43.14 | JeffM2501 | I havce 2 and 3 |
| 21:43.20 | JeffM2501 | sorry 2 and 4 |
| 21:43.25 | JeffM2501 | just not 3 for some reason |
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| 21:46.49 | Kaniaz | Huh |
| 21:47.55 | Kaniaz | Unless my breakpoint is dumb, JoinMenu::setTeam is only called when you load the join window or use 'start server', meaning you can load it, change teams and join and it doesn't get called, meaning, i have a headache |
| 21:47.55 | Kaniaz | Because obviously you still end up on the right team. |
| 21:48.23 | JeffM2501 | it stores it in a bzdb var IIRC |
| 21:48.27 | JeffM2501 | what are you trying to do? |
| 21:48.37 | Kaniaz | I just want to see how it works more than anything |
| 21:48.43 | Kaniaz | And see how I'd store my own option in that join window |
| 21:48.52 | JeffM2501 | the menu? or the team request? |
| 21:49.06 | JeffM2501 | ahh just add a new item to the menu |
| 21:49.11 | Kaniaz | Yeah, I've added the item right on in |
| 21:49.12 | JeffM2501 | and store it where you need it stored |
| 21:49.22 | Kaniaz | So I thought, let's see how they stored the team choice |
| 21:49.25 | JeffM2501 | set it on the init, and chagne it on the change |
| 21:52.22 | blast007 | the join menu is sorta a weird one |
| 21:54.53 | blast007 | Kaniaz: you might want to look in the execute() function in the menu file |
| 21:55.06 | blast007 | } else if (_focus == connectLabel) { |
| 21:55.34 | blast007 | right there gets triggered when you hit the Enter key when you are focused on the connect button |
| 21:55.45 | Kaniaz | Yeah, I figured that much out from poking about |
| 21:55.49 | blast007 | then at the end of that is joinGame(); |
| 21:55.56 | Erroneous | yay hud |
| 21:55.58 | Kaniaz | It's strange how the team isn't set there with everything else, but oh well, I'll just slap something in there |
| 21:56.02 | blast007 | I don't see that defined in the immediate file |
| 21:56.27 | Kaniaz | I don't entirely know what's going on so it's probably not set there for a good reason anyway |
| 21:57.03 | blast007 | all the code in there seems to do is validate a few field |
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| 21:59.16 | blast007 | Kaniaz: if you want a nicer menu to look at, try the GUI Options one |
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| 22:00.57 | Kaniaz | I'll take a look |
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