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| 04:09.25 | JeffM2501 | hey blast007 how come we require the client to be installed on the new nsis installer? |
| 04:09.41 | JeffM2501 | what if you wanted a server only install ( not that it happens often) ? |
| 04:22.14 | blast007 | cuz Windows isn't a server hosting platform ;) |
| 04:22.41 | blast007 | I guess no reason really |
| 04:22.44 | blast007 | it was just easier |
| 04:24.15 | JeffM2501 | just curious |
| 04:24.38 | blast007 | it can be changed to be optional |
| 04:28.07 | JeffM2501 | I'm pondering spliting it into it's own installer |
| 04:28.17 | JeffM2501 | and like set it up with a map pack, and sample configs |
| 04:28.20 | blast007 | I don't see a real need for that |
| 04:28.21 | blast007 | oh |
| 04:28.25 | JeffM2501 | for all OSs |
| 04:28.29 | blast007 | a map pack I could see |
| 04:28.42 | blast007 | NSIS can download dynamically too |
| 04:28.50 | JeffM2501 | just to make it split into a "I want to host" and "I want to play" packages |
| 04:28.55 | blast007 | if we want to post a map pack somewhere, and make it optional |
| 04:29.01 | JeffM2501 | yeah |
| 04:29.21 | JeffM2501 | thinking more along the lines of making it harder to host, to cut down on kiddie servers ;) |
| 04:29.29 | blast007 | bzfs and the plugins don't add much to the overall filesize |
| 04:29.34 | blast007 | the data directory is the majority |
| 04:29.37 | JeffM2501 | yeah I know |
| 04:29.41 | JeffM2501 | it wasn't for space |
| 04:29.48 | blast007 | ;) |
| 04:30.12 | blast007 | but giving them a seperate package for "hosting servers" just makes them feel like they're supposed to |
| 04:30.15 | JeffM2501 | mostly for just organization, ya know. make the server package have more instructions and samples and stuff. |
| 04:30.36 | JeffM2501 | does break the in game menu tho |
| 04:30.50 | blast007 | get rid of the menu |
| 04:31.05 | JeffM2501 | or remove it if we can't find a bzfs in the same dir as the exe |
| 04:31.42 | JeffM2501 | I'm just having random ponderings :) |
| 04:32.01 | blast007 | random is good |
| 04:32.04 | JeffM2501 | I ran the installer on the laptop work gave me |
| 04:32.16 | JeffM2501 | so it popped into my head |
| 04:32.21 | blast007 | :) |
| 04:32.34 | JeffM2501 | have to see how it'll run on a little 9200 |
| 04:34.45 | JeffM2501 | part of my mind keeps wanting to push it into the MMO style of online play |
| 04:34.59 | JeffM2501 | must be because I keep seeing all these other games go that way |
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| 05:12.17 | shorty114 | i played the best MMO the other day |
| 05:12.26 | shorty114 | Test Drive on the xbox 360 |
| 05:12.37 | shorty114 | amazing graphics and really cool concept |
| 05:13.08 | JeffM2501 | that's a racing game |
| 05:13.10 | shorty114 | ah Test Drive: Unlimited |
| 05:13.11 | JeffM2501 | not a MMO |
| 05:13.20 | shorty114 | the original test drive was something on atari i think |
| 05:13.25 | shorty114 | http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Test_Drive_Unlimited |
| 05:13.32 | shorty114 | you can wander the streets of your island |
| 05:13.43 | shorty114 | drive to races, your many homes |
| 05:13.51 | shorty114 | makes me want a 360 :\ |
| 05:14.17 | shorty114 | you can race other people online too with Live |
| 05:14.18 | JeffM2501 | how is that make it a "masivly multiplayer online" game? |
| 05:14.23 | JeffM2501 | that's just normal multi |
| 05:14.25 | JeffM2501 | not MMO |
| 05:14.40 | JeffM2501 | I mean WoW class multiplayer |
| 05:14.44 | shorty114 | Massively Open Online Racing |
| 05:14.45 | JeffM2501 | 1000's |
| 05:15.21 | shorty114 | there are people driving around you |
| 05:15.52 | JeffM2501 | how many real players are in the same world with you? |
| 05:15.55 | JeffM2501 | 16? |
| 05:15.58 | JeffM2501 | 10? |
| 05:16.03 | JeffM2501 | 4? |
| 05:16.11 | shorty114 | idk |
| 05:16.17 | shorty114 | i only explored a small part of the island |
| 05:16.26 | shorty114 | i crashed into a player on a bike though and got fined >.< |
| 05:16.27 | JeffM2501 | it's not a mmo |
| 05:16.42 | JeffM2501 | a "player"? or just an in game computer controlled "thing"? |
| 05:16.55 | shorty114 | a human being playing somewhere in the world connected to xbox live |
| 05:17.36 | JeffM2501 | looks like they are trying to put MMO trapins on a racing game |
| 05:18.15 | JeffM2501 | not what I was talking about |
| 05:18.15 | shorty114 | it's a unique concept though |
| 05:18.17 | shorty114 | it would be interesting to do something like GTA with thousands of people |
| 05:18.26 | JeffM2501 | not realy, it's a hodgepodge of existing concepts |
| 05:18.42 | shorty114 | yeah, but it's a unique hodgepodge ;) |
| 05:18.48 | JeffM2501 | shorty114 it's called "World of Warcraft" ;) |
| 05:18.55 | shorty114 | can you drive vehicles in WoW? |
| 05:19.01 | shorty114 | do the vehicles look eerily lifelike? |
| 05:19.02 | JeffM2501 | sure |
| 05:19.06 | JeffM2501 | robot chickens! |
| 05:19.12 | JeffM2501 | or planetside |
| 05:20.22 | shorty114 | other than i never really got into WoW :\ |
| 05:20.43 | shorty114 | that south park episode perked my interest a little but somehow shooting someone up beats doing quests |
| 05:21.07 | JeffM2501 | planetside |
| 05:21.09 | JeffM2501 | it's all about shoting |
| 05:21.14 | JeffM2501 | or swg |
| 05:21.19 | JeffM2501 | or eve online |
| 05:21.31 | JeffM2501 | or any of the other non fantasy MMOs |
| 05:21.48 | shorty114 | you can shoot people with an m4 in planetside. |
| 05:21.49 | shorty114 | ? |
| 05:22.05 | JeffM2501 | if tha'ts a large machine gun or rocket laucher, YES, yes you can |
| 05:22.17 | JeffM2501 | you can also land aircaft on them |
| 05:22.24 | shorty114 | is planetside like war rock? |
| 05:22.30 | JeffM2501 | huh? |
| 05:22.42 | shorty114 | battlefield-style? |
| 05:22.42 | JeffM2501 | just go look it up |
| 05:22.56 | JeffM2501 | never played battlefield |
| 05:23.20 | shorty114 | oooh "MMOFPS" i think we may have something here |
| 05:23.53 | JeffM2501 | ahhhhh there we go... 80-150 fps now that the CPU isn't runing at 533mhz and doing a virus scan while it plays :) |
| 05:24.25 | shorty114 | in bzflag? |
| 05:24.27 | JeffM2501 | yeah |
| 05:24.35 | shorty114 | ah |
| 05:24.38 | JeffM2501 | I use it as a graphics card testbed |
| 05:24.45 | JeffM2501 | was geting 45-50 before |
| 05:24.50 | shorty114 | that's still not bad |
| 05:24.50 | blast007 | 80-150 would be glxgears on my old lappy |
| 05:24.51 | JeffM2501 | stupid speed stream |
| 05:25.03 | shorty114 | JeffM2501, what card does it have? |
| 05:25.04 | JeffM2501 | damn thing never upclocked |
| 05:25.09 | JeffM2501 | just a little 9200 |
| 05:25.15 | shorty114 | 9200 mobile? |
| 05:25.33 | JeffM2501 | yeah |
| 05:25.35 | JeffM2501 | I guess |
| 05:27.08 | shorty114 | hmm that's not bad |
| 05:27.18 | shorty114 | the 9200SE would be a pain though... 64 MB interface |
| 05:27.26 | shorty114 | err |
| 05:27.33 | shorty114 | 64 bit memory bus |
| 05:27.49 | shorty114 | ahh that's the desktop card |
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| 06:15.02 | a_meteorite | ~seen mmarshall |
| 06:15.27 | ibot | mmarshall <n=mmarshal@110-47-112.adsl.terra.cl> was last seen on IRC in channel #bzflag, 120d 5h 51m 10s ago, saying: 'lol'. |
| 06:15.28 | a_meteorite | ~lastseen mmarshall |
| 06:15.35 | a_meteorite | hmmm |
| 06:15.38 | a_meteorite | ~lastseen marshall |
| 06:19.48 | a_meteorite | does anyone have BZFlag_Info? that library by AAA? |
| 06:20.10 | a_meteorite | (php library for talking to servers) |
| 06:20.14 | a_meteorite | the file is missing from his server :( |
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| 08:02.21 | tarco | hey |
| 08:02.23 | daniel_jackson | hey |
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| 08:42.45 | Rawk | Hi tarco Hi daniel_jackson |
| 08:53.14 | LePoulpe303 | HI BZWorld |
| 08:53.23 | daniel_jackson | hey |
| 08:53.59 | daniel_jackson | working on tarco's debian box |
| 08:54.14 | tarco | hi ya rawk |
| 08:57.46 | tarco | rawk |
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| 09:12.55 | Rawk | hi guys lol sorry I was play bzflag as you guys didn't answer |
| 09:13.29 | Rawk | have you got a WM yet tarco |
| 09:13.31 | Rawk | ? |
| 09:14.10 | Rawk | hi LePoulpe303 |
| 09:26.00 | Rawk | hmm, you guys have a private chat? |
| 09:28.04 | tarco | no not yet |
| 09:28.05 | daniel_jackson | yep |
| 09:29.41 | Rawk | ahh, is it possible to invite me too? |
| 09:30.03 | tarco | ive asked dj so he should beable to |
| 09:30.50 | tarco | i have invited you |
| 09:31.44 | Rawk | all i have is a dj chat window and nobody talking |
| 09:32.21 | Rawk | try again maybe |
| 09:32.54 | Rawk | It gives: KIRC Error - Unknown command: :daniel_jackson!n=prolix@cpe-66-74-196-54.san.res.rr.com INVITE Rawk :#djackson |
| 09:33.59 | daniel_jackson | type "/join #djackson" |
| 09:34.07 | tarco | urg |
| 09:34.47 | Rawk | you on tarco? |
| 09:35.26 | tarco | on what |
| 09:35.44 | daniel_jackson | #djackson |
| 09:35.51 | daniel_jackson | thats the room |
| 09:37.22 | tarco | yeah |
| 09:37.40 | daniel_jackson | type "/join #djackson" |
| 09:37.57 | tarco | rawk type what dj said |
| 09:38.05 | daniel_jackson | hes in the room |
| 09:38.08 | Rawk | i have |
| 09:38.17 | Rawk | he wants you to lol |
| 09:38.28 | daniel_jackson | tarco type "/join #djackson" |
| 09:38.31 | tarco | but i am on it alredy |
| 09:38.44 | Rawk | not the same one |
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| 13:59.33 | ruskie | hmm I wonder how playing bzflag on the wii would be like... |
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| 14:49.04 | LePoulpe303 | [dmp]: ping pung ? |
| 14:49.30 | LePoulpe303 | DTRemenak: pong peng ? |
| 14:55.07 | [dmp] | LePoulpe303: lé pông |
| 14:55.46 | LePoulpe303 | [dmp]: sry , finally i found the answer [myself] |
| 14:56.04 | LePoulpe303 | i was sendinf the token with the "TOKEN: " prefix |
| 14:56.18 | LePoulpe303 | and wonder why my login was rejected |
| 14:56.50 | [dmp] | LePoulpe303: Ah. Cool that you could the answer :) |
| 14:57.09 | LePoulpe303 | yeah , that changes, no ? :) |
| 14:57.17 | LePoulpe303 | like holidays for u |
| 14:59.40 | [dmp] | LePoulpe303: I dont understand, sorry |
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| 17:14.50 | JeffM2501 | damn are the spambots geting smarter:) |
| 17:16.38 | Erroneous | yup |
| 17:16.44 | Erroneous | what'd we have today? |
| 17:20.16 | L4m3r | like I said, they've beaten the vBulletin captcha, so I'm sure they can get a lot more phpbb forums now too |
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| 18:01.07 | JeffM2501 | they started taking quotes out of the post above them |
| 18:01.11 | JeffM2501 | and asking questions about them |
| 18:01.18 | JeffM2501 | the questions didn't make sense |
| 18:01.27 | JeffM2501 | but it made me think twice about killing the account. |
| 18:01.36 | JeffM2501 | spam links were in the sig |
| 18:02.10 | JeffM2501 | techincaly we can have a prety shurefire way to verify all our users |
| 18:02.18 | JeffM2501 | don't let them post till we see them login and play in game :) |
| 18:02.41 | Erroneous | hey, I like that idea |
| 18:03.12 | JeffM2501 | that tied with an in game new user feature would probalby do it up just fine |
| 18:03.15 | Erroneous | wouldn't even be very hard |
| 18:03.19 | JeffM2501 | nope |
| 18:03.47 | JeffM2501 | we'd have to make sure it was VERY clear what you'd have to do |
| 18:04.03 | JeffM2501 | mod the activation mail message, and the instructions on the site |
| 18:04.10 | JeffM2501 | but that would make sure we ONLY get players |
| 18:04.18 | Erroneous | yeah |
| 18:04.36 | Erroneous | or else VERY sophisticated bots ;0 |
| 18:04.42 | JeffM2501 | does screw the people with the proxys |
| 18:04.43 | JeffM2501 | yeah |
| 18:04.55 | JeffM2501 | I'm pondering changing the default list port to 81 |
| 18:05.06 | Erroneous | 81 is blocked too many places |
| 18:05.14 | JeffM2501 | 80 is cached in a lot of places |
| 18:05.18 | Erroneous | 81, fall back to 80 if connection rejected |
| 18:05.19 | JeffM2501 | maybe have the game try both |
| 18:05.21 | JeffM2501 | yeah |
| 18:05.22 | Erroneous | yeah |
| 18:05.34 | JeffM2501 | we could be a little smarter about that |
| 18:05.39 | JeffM2501 | or do the https port |
| 18:05.49 | JeffM2501 | as that is often open and not cached |
| 18:05.58 | Erroneous | could even use https :P |
| 18:06.06 | JeffM2501 | indeed |
| 18:06.19 | Erroneous | would need to build ssl curl tho |
| 18:07.09 | JeffM2501 | does it buy us anything? |
| 18:07.15 | JeffM2501 | peace of mind on the passwords? |
| 18:11.34 | Erroneous | that's about it |
| 18:11.36 | the_enemy | if you used real SSL, then the client could optionally support SSL proxies if that was needed. |
| 18:11.43 | Erroneous | and that is true also |
| 18:12.30 | the_enemy | As in the CONNECT method to an SSL proxy..... although thinking about it, I guess maybe you could even do that without real SSL :) |
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| 19:02.07 | randomparticle | hi all |
| 19:02.10 | JeffM2501 | now, what "copy files" phase? |
| 19:02.27 | JeffM2501 | the part of the xcode build? |
| 19:02.31 | randomparticle | xcode has a phase where it copies the bzflag executables into the app bundle |
| 19:02.39 | CBG | Flash: hey, I think you pinged me recently... pong..? |
| 19:02.50 | JeffM2501 | does the .app not have all the dirs the first time? |
| 19:03.02 | randomparticle | yeah |
| 19:03.19 | JeffM2501 | wonder if it dosn't know to make the dirs first or something |
| 19:03.26 | randomparticle | they're there with the unupdated bzflag exec in there |
| 19:03.40 | randomparticle | it works if i run xcode twice, or delete the app bundle first |
| 19:03.46 | JeffM2501 | I'd write up a bug report and we can asign it to brclad |
| 19:03.53 | JeffM2501 | he wrote all those passes by hand |
| 19:04.08 | randomparticle | there must be some triggering condition |
| 19:04.16 | JeffM2501 | probably is |
| 19:04.30 | JeffM2501 | so did your multi threaded GL give you much of a FPS incrase? |
| 19:05.17 | randomparticle | hard to say |
| 19:05.24 | JeffM2501 | did the numbers change? |
| 19:05.40 | JeffM2501 | or are they very similar to before? |
| 19:05.44 | randomparticle | the trouble is i don't have a repeatable identical test |
| 19:05.48 | randomparticle | the numbers vary all the time |
| 19:05.51 | JeffM2501 | yeah that is hard |
| 19:06.01 | JeffM2501 | but they don't seem like consistently 2x there old values |
| 19:06.07 | randomparticle | maybe i could knock up a time demo of some sort |
| 19:06.09 | JeffM2501 | do they? |
| 19:06.23 | randomparticle | but clearly, if it was a huge increase, that would be noticeable. so not huge |
| 19:06.25 | JeffM2501 | usualy you can tell, when you see a masive change |
| 19:06.31 | randomparticle | but.. |
| 19:06.45 | JeffM2501 | yeah I'm betting the speed problems are not with the thread, but with the GL calls |
| 19:06.47 | randomparticle | normal client: 1 core maxed out |
| 19:07.09 | randomparticle | multi-threaded client: extra thread and both cores at 90%-ish |
| 19:07.25 | randomparticle | so something is happening :) |
| 19:07.30 | JeffM2501 | seems odd that you spend more CPU time for no real notice in speed |
| 19:07.34 | randomparticle | yeah |
| 19:07.38 | randomparticle | busy waiting maybe? |
| 19:07.57 | JeffM2501 | now did you move the GL to a new thread? or just call some apple thing to tell GL to execute in it's own thread? |
| 19:08.09 | JeffM2501 | like did you move all the bz code around? |
| 19:08.28 | randomparticle | one sec |
| 19:09.05 | randomparticle | this is the code: |
| 19:09.11 | randomparticle | CGLContextObj ctx = CGLGetCurrentContext(); CGLEnable( ctx, (CGLContextEnable)313); |
| 19:09.34 | JeffM2501 | if it's at context create, then it's just some mode |
| 19:09.37 | randomparticle | the 313 thing is a hack because my header files are not up to date |
| 19:09.37 | JeffM2501 | ok |
| 19:09.59 | JeffM2501 | umm ok |
| 19:10.05 | JeffM2501 | make a patch for it |
| 19:10.12 | randomparticle | ok |
| 19:10.13 | JeffM2501 | may not be bad to have as a config option |
| 19:10.25 | JeffM2501 | did you do a menu for the vsync? |
| 19:10.33 | randomparticle | no |
| 19:10.44 | randomparticle | actually, there is double buffering code already in there |
| 19:10.46 | JeffM2501 | do you plan on doing a menu for it? |
| 19:10.58 | randomparticle | it's just that it doesn't have the desired effect on my machine for some reason |
| 19:10.59 | JeffM2501 | sure bz does double buffer by default |
| 19:11.09 | randomparticle | i had to add one line to get it to sync |
| 19:11.14 | JeffM2501 | double buffer != vsync |
| 19:11.26 | randomparticle | yep |
| 19:11.29 | randomparticle | CGLSetParameter (ctx, kCGLCPSwapInterval, &sync); |
| 19:12.05 | JeffM2501 | ahh direct CGL calls |
| 19:12.22 | JeffM2501 | thought you said there was a way to do it via SDL |
| 19:12.33 | randomparticle | i thought so too |
| 19:13.01 | JeffM2501 | and SDL method would actualy service about 1/2 the clients |
| 19:13.32 | Erroneous | 35% or so |
| 19:13.38 | Erroneous | not to be picky :) |
| 19:13.42 | randomparticle | the tearing/shearing is not visible at all framerates |
| 19:13.50 | JeffM2501 | 35? |
| 19:13.54 | Erroneous | yeah |
| 19:13.57 | JeffM2501 | that' is mac and linux? |
| 19:14.05 | randomparticle | it was only when used the energy saver i noticed that the SDL stuff wasn't working for me |
| 19:14.12 | JeffM2501 | thought they were higher |
| 19:14.17 | Erroneous | last time I checked we were about 20% mac, 20% linux, and only ~2/3 of linux used sdl |
| 19:14.29 | JeffM2501 | realy, that's interesting |
| 19:14.31 | JeffM2501 | I'd figured most linuxes would |
| 19:14.38 | Erroneous | yeah, I dunno what's up with that |
| 19:14.40 | JeffM2501 | that' means a fair number of linuxes are built from source |
| 19:14.42 | JeffM2501 | that's kinda cool |
| 19:14.52 | Erroneous | probably some major distro is still shipping a version sans sdl |
| 19:15.00 | JeffM2501 | maybe |
| 19:15.03 | Erroneous | suse did for a while |
| 19:15.07 | JeffM2501 | ahh |
| 19:15.07 | Erroneous | dunno if they fixed it |
| 19:15.18 | Erroneous | their sdl was busted, so our configure didn't detect it |
| 19:15.19 | JeffM2501 | well still, SDL is used by a goodly number |
| 19:15.41 | randomparticle | all this has made me wonder. why would someone want framerates in excess of their monitor refresh rate? |
| 19:16.11 | randomparticle | people often say they need 180fps or whatever when they have a 60Hz monitor |
| 19:16.55 | randomparticle | one reason might be because the framerate is linked to tank/control physics |
| 19:17.06 | randomparticle | any other reasons? |
| 19:17.59 | Erroneous | reduced latency...by 17ms or so ;) |
| 19:18.05 | JeffM2501 | randomparticle, energy saver will do it's own frame rate limiting, and that could not sync to your CRT |
| 19:18.26 | randomparticle | yes |
| 19:18.30 | JeffM2501 | also not all displays have an analog refresh |
| 19:18.36 | JeffM2501 | you on a CRT? |
| 19:18.38 | randomparticle | no |
| 19:18.49 | JeffM2501 | you using a VGA conector to your LCD? |
| 19:19.00 | randomparticle | it's an imac |
| 19:19.13 | randomparticle | i don't know how it connects :) |
| 19:19.25 | JeffM2501 | then if it's like a DVI conection I dont think it has the same type of "refresh" systm |
| 19:19.27 | Erroneous | that'd be a no, unless apple is really stupid |
| 19:19.35 | Erroneous | and they don't usually seem to be |
| 19:19.57 | JeffM2501 | Erroneous, never forget "the pippin"! |
| 19:20.02 | Erroneous | heh |
| 19:20.05 | Erroneous | usually ;) |
| 19:20.17 | randomparticle | regarding this multi-threaded gl stuff, i thought i might do some profiling to see what is going on |
| 19:20.26 | JeffM2501 | profiling never hurts |
| 19:20.36 | Erroneous | ooh yes it does ;) |
| 19:20.53 | Erroneous | gprof totally hurts, JeffM2501 :) |
| 19:21.05 | JeffM2501 | the app, not the deveoper ;) |
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| 19:21.10 | Erroneous | hehe |
| 19:21.10 | randomparticle | i did some a while ago. was quite surprising to me. drawing the text on the screen turned out to be very expensive |
| 19:21.19 | JeffM2501 | we do it a lot |
| 19:21.21 | Erroneous | yes, fontmanager is a cpu hog |
| 19:21.24 | JeffM2501 | and we do it poorly |
| 19:21.37 | JeffM2501 | that's one of the optimisations I was refering to the other day |
| 19:21.38 | randomparticle | that and tank tracks accounted for something like 50% of cpu time |
| 19:21.42 | JeffM2501 | there are cleaner ways to do text |
| 19:22.01 | JeffM2501 | yeah, cus they arn't material sorted IIRC |
| 19:22.11 | JeffM2501 | GL REALY dosnt' like state changes for materials |
| 19:22.34 | randomparticle | you know, as someone who didn't know better, i'd have thought the fancy 3d stuff would be more costly |
| 19:22.34 | JeffM2501 | naw |
| 19:22.34 | JeffM2501 | static geo is cake |
| 19:22.34 | Erroneous | font manager does its own state changes :) |
| 19:22.34 | JeffM2501 | compute it once |
| 19:22.39 | JeffM2501 | Erroneous, yeah that's it's problem |
| 19:22.49 | Erroneous | including a full reset |
| 19:22.51 | JeffM2501 | we should do one state change per font, and draw em all at the same time. |
| 19:22.55 | Erroneous | yup |
| 19:23.01 | JeffM2501 | we need a proper drawables system |
| 19:23.04 | Erroneous | that would require caching |
| 19:23.06 | Erroneous | yeah |
| 19:23.13 | JeffM2501 | be slick as hell if we had one tho |
| 19:23.18 | Erroneous | yup |
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| 19:23.22 | Erroneous | wanna write one? ;) |
| 19:23.26 | JeffM2501 | I have |
| 19:23.28 | JeffM2501 | many times |
| 19:23.32 | Erroneous | heh |
| 19:23.44 | JeffM2501 | GPx has a nice OO one |
| 19:23.57 | Erroneous | cool |
| 19:24.01 | JeffM2501 | lets you put all drawing code in nice descrete chunks |
| 19:24.20 | JeffM2501 | want to make it headless, just never call the drawable callbacks :) |
| 19:25.12 | JeffM2501 | but realy that's what a real engine is for :) |
| 19:25.28 | JeffM2501 | if I was gonna redo the drawing system, and NOT go to an existing engine |
| 19:25.42 | JeffM2501 | I'd redo the entire system to be 2.5d portal based |
| 19:25.44 | JeffM2501 | like marathon |
| 19:25.53 | Erroneous | heh |
| 19:26.03 | JeffM2501 | I've done tests, it'd work great |
| 19:26.17 | JeffM2501 | basicly you'd just define all the spaces you can drive in |
| 19:26.55 | JeffM2501 | and define some edges that bleed out to skybox |
| 19:28.37 | JeffM2501 | tho it wasn't as wacky as my openGL raycaster :) |
| 19:28.41 | JeffM2501 | that one was funky |
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| 20:58.56 | Flash | CBG: pong .... lol |
| 21:03.46 | CBG | Flash: not sure what you wanted, I just remember that you pinged me either last night or the one before |
| 21:04.00 | Flash | no problem; I don't remember either |
| 21:04.11 | Flash | are you a python guy? |
| 21:04.20 | CBG | Nope |
| 21:04.30 | Flash | no worries |
| 21:12.41 | CBG | Flash: according to my logs, it was the night before last: |
| 21:12.45 | CBG | [5:10am] <Flash> CBG: ping |
| 21:12.45 | CBG | [5:16am] <L4m3r> he went to bed. it's like 5AM where he is. |
| 21:12.45 | CBG | [5:17am] <Flash> bummer |
| 21:12.59 | CBG | Dunno if that will spark any memories... :) |
| 21:13.04 | Flash | nope ;-) |
| 21:13.13 | CBG | hehe ok :) |
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| 22:08.12 | JeffM2501 | randomparticle, spends a lot of time in the hud :) |
| 22:08.20 | JeffM2501 | that's one that isn't sorted by material |
| 22:08.45 | JeffM2501 | takes more time to draw the hud then it does to draw all the world ;) |
| 22:08.52 | blast007 | heh |
| 22:08.57 | randomparticle | :) |
| 22:09.07 | JeffM2501 | heck the fonts alone are almost the same % |
| 22:09.19 | JeffM2501 | drawables would help that so very much |
| 22:09.27 | Erroneous | yeah, fontmanager is a cpu hog, like I said earlier :) |
| 22:09.37 | Erroneous | it used to be even worse |
| 22:09.46 | JeffM2501 | and a card/GPU hog |
| 22:09.54 | Erroneous | tupone and I spent a bunch of time cleaning up the string ops |
| 22:10.05 | JeffM2501 | yeah |
| 22:10.24 | Erroneous | so now it kills your gpu instead :) |
| 22:10.37 | JeffM2501 | GPx uses a difrent font system, but it does all it's drawing at one time. it takes squat for time |
| 22:10.56 | JeffM2501 | I did frame rate tests, with just turning off font drawing, and it only slows it down by 1-2% |
| 22:11.11 | JeffM2501 | so it can be done fast if you do it right |
| 22:11.34 | JeffM2501 | but that means yet another lib we link in :) |
| 22:11.47 | Erroneous | which one? |
| 22:11.52 | JeffM2501 | freetyle |
| 22:11.55 | JeffM2501 | freetype2 |
| 22:12.04 | Erroneous | freetype is available everywhere at least |
| 22:12.07 | JeffM2501 | yeah |
| 22:12.21 | Erroneous | and it doeesn't have any nasty dependencies of its own |
| 22:12.33 | JeffM2501 | but just thowing it in as a drop-in will not work |
| 22:12.44 | JeffM2501 | tupone did it as a dropin and it was slower |
| 22:12.50 | JeffM2501 | and used more texture ram |
| 22:13.07 | Erroneous | yeah |
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| 22:27.53 | silverfox | JeffM2501: should frame rate improve when disabling scoreboard and pressing W ? |
| 22:28.20 | JeffM2501 | the less text drawn, the faster it'll be |
| 22:28.28 | JeffM2501 | if your bound by state changes |
| 22:28.36 | JeffM2501 | if your geo bound, probalby not |
| 22:29.26 | Erroneous | almost always, yes |
| 22:29.37 | Erroneous | disable scoreboard and console and the framerate will improve |
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