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| 00:27.56 | hardwire | I think I need to be playing battletech |
| 00:28.07 | spldart | or at least bzflag |
| 00:28.12 | hardwire | naw |
| 00:28.20 | spldart | 8-0 |
| 00:28.23 | hardwire | I want to play battletech with like my old middle school buddies |
| 00:28.24 | tannerld | battletech? sounds complicated.... |
| 00:28.24 | spldart | Sacrilige |
| 00:28.31 | spldart | INFIDEL! |
| 00:28.42 | JeffM2501 | hardwire, don't forget to park in a lake so you don't overheat |
| 00:29.42 | hardwire | that was so cheap |
| 00:29.58 | JeffM2501 | tho if I had my druthers, I'd play heavy gear instead of battletech |
| 00:30.02 | spldart | Dollar General BOY |
| 00:30.04 | hardwire | I cried in public a lot playing the board game |
| 00:30.15 | JeffM2501 | cheap it may be, but efective it is :) |
| 00:30.33 | hardwire | I always had lame crap happen to me |
| 00:30.41 | hardwire | like getting ganged up on rapter style.. |
| 00:30.49 | JeffM2501 | Gears was always more action oriented |
| 00:30.53 | hardwire | a maurader on a hill above me.. another coming on close |
| 00:31.07 | hardwire | and then my teammate fires on the upper maurader and knocks it rolling down the hill |
| 00:31.09 | hardwire | where it hits me |
| 00:31.11 | hardwire | and explodes |
| 00:31.14 | hardwire | *sigh* |
| 00:31.46 | spldart | lolol |
| 00:31.58 | hardwire | but I loved the PC game |
| 00:32.03 | hardwire | I could cry and weep in private |
| 00:32.11 | a_meteorite | ... why would you do that? |
| 00:32.30 | hardwire | I was a very emotional child |
| 00:32.40 | a_meteorite | :\ |
| 00:32.50 | hardwire | you couldn't take me to the zoo without depressing me |
| 00:33.00 | hardwire | those poor monkeys |
| 00:33.05 | a_meteorite | but that's the funnest thing a kid could do! |
| 00:33.13 | hardwire | yeh |
| 00:33.20 | hardwire | my nephew cought the wimp gene too |
| 00:33.57 | hardwire | infact my sister named him after the characterized cat I always pretended I was when I was a youngin |
| 00:34.02 | a_meteorite | oook |
| 00:34.15 | spldart | ig |
| 00:34.22 | hardwire | I really should have turned out differently.. somehow god smiled on me and made me look a lot less wimpy on the outside as I grew up :) |
| 00:34.57 | hardwire | was that a hudson hawk reference? |
| 00:35.45 | spldart | hudson hawk and remo williams pwn me |
| 00:36.01 | hardwire | remo eh! |
| 00:36.04 | hardwire | poor you |
| 00:36.19 | spldart | Don't make me korean on you |
| 00:36.27 | hardwire | hehe |
| 00:36.29 | spldart | lesson 24 blessed silence |
| 00:36.35 | spldart | lolol |
| 00:37.16 | hardwire | I have never seen any of it |
| 00:37.24 | hardwire | I have been told too |
| 00:37.25 | hardwire | many times |
| 00:37.38 | spldart | It's the 'highest form of public service' |
| 00:38.06 | hardwire | http://battlefield2142.ea.com/battlefield/bf2142/ |
| 00:38.09 | hardwire | looks enjoyable |
| 00:38.09 | spldart | I highly recomend it.. but I'm not normal so... there you are |
| 00:38.16 | PrezKennedy | its a rip off of BF2 |
| 00:38.27 | hardwire | yeh |
| 00:38.36 | hardwire | you weren't my friend growing up until you watched BB w/ me |
| 00:38.48 | hardwire | followed with a healthy serving of strange brew |
| 00:38.52 | hardwire | on betamax |
| 00:39.12 | hardwire | dang.. no Remo |
| 00:39.15 | hardwire | netflix |
| 00:39.30 | hardwire | I can't wait until they put a distro center for netflix in anchorage |
| 00:39.56 | hardwire | spldart: which one is the best? |
| 00:40.11 | spldart | BB beats RW |
| 00:40.13 | hardwire | cause if I don't get this right on the first try my g/f will blacklist any others it from my queue |
| 00:40.21 | spldart | but they are both fun IMHO |
| 00:40.23 | hardwire | naw.. I mean there are many RW movies |
| 00:40.37 | hardwire | beh! |
| 00:40.41 | hardwire | IMDB is killing me |
| 00:40.45 | hardwire | its showing the same thing twice |
| 00:40.49 | hardwire | different dates |
| 00:41.19 | hardwire | http://www.imdb.com/title/tt0236677/ |
| 00:41.20 | hardwire | http://www.imdb.com/title/tt0089901/ |
| 00:41.46 | spldart | Joo want http://www.imdb.com/title/tt0089901/ |
| 00:41.54 | hardwire | man I love ajax |
| 00:42.07 | spldart | Fred ward pwns in that and tremors |
| 00:42.20 | hardwire | he is in so many bad movies |
| 00:42.25 | hardwire | he doesn't look like a bad movie actor |
| 00:42.29 | spldart | but in some ways remo was better and in some tremors was |
| 00:42.29 | hardwire | but he is always in them |
| 00:42.37 | hardwire | hasn't he starlighted with earnest before? |
| 00:42.43 | spldart | dunno |
| 00:43.31 | hardwire | di.fm's vocal mix is making me happy today |
| 00:43.43 | hardwire | man I am at work |
| 00:43.44 | hardwire | I want to play |
| 00:43.46 | hardwire | this is bad |
| 00:43.53 | spldart | I play @ work... sometimes |
| 00:44.52 | spldart | I even got a video card upgrade with the excuse... the .pdf's are two slow on this old video card... Now I get great FR's in BZFlag with the NVIDIA module :~) |
| 00:46.17 | hardwire | I did not just hear that |
| 00:46.30 | hardwire | reminds me of a bash I saw earlier |
| 00:46.55 | hardwire | http://www.bash.org/?258908 |
| 00:47.36 | spldart | @ctually... Now that I think of it... I'm using a ati pro card and using the radeon module... my bad.. I upgraded from an nvidia gforce card |
| 00:47.49 | hardwire | the fglrx module? |
| 00:48.19 | hardwire | this is the only place I have ever worked where everything isn't i810 |
| 00:48.20 | hardwire | 01:00.1 Display controller: ATI Technologies Inc RV370 [Radeon X300SE] |
| 00:48.31 | hardwire | thats a pretty OK card to have |
| 00:48.40 | hardwire | and this was a spare machine |
| 00:48.47 | spldart | my module is called 'radeon' I use the fglrx on my older ati |
| 00:48.57 | hardwire | spldart: gotcha |
| 00:49.14 | hardwire | radeon module is typically hella slow compared to the fglrx module |
| 00:49.34 | spldart | true on older cards but not always true on more modern cards IMO |
| 00:49.36 | hardwire | fglrx doesn't work on most of my older radeons that it doesn't really care to support |
| 00:49.46 | spldart | there you go |
| 00:49.46 | spldart | hehe |
| 00:49.54 | spldart | support is here and there at times |
| 00:49.58 | hardwire | yeh |
| 00:50.04 | hardwire | but I currently use it on laptop and work desktop |
| 00:50.08 | hardwire | to achieve not slowness :) |
| 00:50.14 | spldart | heh |
| 00:50.34 | hardwire | people in this office are so polite |
| 00:50.47 | hardwire | don't put on your coat.. just tell the butthead with his window open to close it.. |
| 00:50.51 | spldart | Heh.. people here scream and gripe |
| 00:52.18 | TimRiker | spldart: that's just the GM locking on you. |
| 00:52.31 | hardwire | don't do it James.. we are watching you.. |
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| 01:32.44 | spldart | nighty night |
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| 01:38.02 | Linuxx0r | Hi |
| 01:47.00 | Linuxx0r | I've done a modification to the client |
| 01:47.33 | JeffM2501 | that does? |
| 01:47.59 | Linuxx0r | if somebody ends his rampage / killing spree / reign by killing himself there will be printed a special message |
| 01:48.21 | JeffM2501 | you moded the client for that? |
| 01:48.25 | JeffM2501 | why not mod the plugin? |
| 01:48.36 | Linuxx0r | i mean i moded the plugin :) |
| 01:48.41 | JeffM2501 | there ya go :) |
| 01:48.47 | JeffM2501 | then I say "cool" :) |
| 01:48.52 | Linuxx0r | thx:) |
| 01:49.32 | Linuxx0r | http://heinzelotto.kilu.de/playHistoryTracker.zip <- the old and the new file |
| 01:49.40 | JeffM2501 | submit it as a patch to SF |
| 01:49.49 | JeffM2501 | and remind me tomorow and I'll apply it for you |
| 01:50.03 | Linuxx0r | okay |
| 01:50.14 | Linuxx0r | thx |
| 01:50.28 | JeffM2501 | unless it uses bad language, like "donkey porker" |
| 01:51.47 | Linuxx0r | you can change message that is printed out if you don't think it's appropriate |
| 01:51.55 | JeffM2501 | what does it say now? |
| 01:52.31 | Linuxx0r | <PROTECTED> |
| 01:52.38 | JeffM2501 | sounds fine |
| 01:52.48 | Linuxx0r | <PROTECTED> |
| 01:52.49 | JeffM2501 | tho may be beter to say "themselves" |
| 01:52.56 | JeffM2501 | as there are those girls that play |
| 01:52.57 | Linuxx0r | hmm yes |
| 01:53.26 | Linuxx0r | english is not my native language |
| 01:53.35 | JeffM2501 | fair nuf |
| 01:54.05 | Linuxx0r | and for the unstoppable reign: <callsign> dispossessed himself dishonourable |
| 01:54.17 | Gnurdux | JeffM2501, i thought it was themself |
| 01:54.21 | JeffM2501 | that reads a little wired |
| 01:54.27 | Gnurdux | so does themselves |
| 01:54.28 | JeffM2501 | Gnurdux, it may be |
| 01:54.29 | JeffM2501 | :) |
| 01:54.38 | Gnurdux | its tricky, because so does himself |
| 01:54.40 | JeffM2501 | umm .. english isn't my native language |
| 01:54.45 | Gnurdux | basically right now its in flux |
| 01:54.46 | JeffM2501 | I can allways ask DTRemenak |
| 01:54.53 | JeffM2501 | he's all smart with the english |
| 01:54.59 | Gnurdux | JeffM2501: if you ask a grammarian its himself |
| 01:55.13 | Gnurdux | colloquially at least in my generation its usually themself |
| 01:55.23 | JeffM2501 | maybe I"ll add a menu item for gender on the player setup |
| 01:55.28 | Gnurdux | which is not technically an english word at all, since they is supposed to be only plugin |
| 01:55.38 | Gnurdux | JeffM2501, some people might find that offensive lol |
| 01:55.50 | JeffM2501 | then they can pick "donkeyporker" |
| 01:55.52 | Gnurdux | *plural not plugin |
| 01:57.06 | JeffM2501 | I'm sure we can some up with some proper words |
| 02:02.46 | hardwire | donkey porker? |
| 02:02.52 | hardwire | what did you eat tonight? |
| 02:06.27 | JeffM2501 | I haven't |
| 02:06.31 | JeffM2501 | that may be the problem |
| 02:06.49 | JeffM2501 | that or I saw an episode of Bob And Steve |
| 02:09.32 | DTRemenak | heh, ie7 is breaking so much stuff |
| 02:09.52 | JeffM2501 | yes |
| 02:10.06 | JeffM2501 | Jeremy is not pleased |
| 02:10.14 | DTRemenak | it's not just us either |
| 02:10.36 | DTRemenak | xfire just downloaded the second update in three days for ie7 issues |
| 02:10.40 | JeffM2501 | heh |
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| 02:28.44 | Linuxx0r | okay, I got to go now |
| 02:28.47 | Linuxx0r | cya |
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| 04:17.05 | PuMpErNiCkLe | Dude... wait, what? |
| 04:17.20 | PuMpErNiCkLe | MS is agreeing to provide support for SUSE... |
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| 08:08.49 | LePoulpe303 | hi bzworld |
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| 09:30.54 | tarco | dj you there |
| 09:31.08 | daniel_jackson | yep |
| 09:31.14 | tarco | ok |
| 09:32.04 | daniel_jackson | did you login? |
| 09:32.10 | tarco | yes |
| 09:32.14 | daniel_jackson | ok |
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| 16:34.28 | Linuxx0r | Hi |
| 16:34.50 | Linuxx0r | is Jeff here? |
| 16:34.59 | Linuxx0r | I've implemented a new flag |
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| 16:47.29 | blast007 | Linuxx0r: what flag? :) |
| 16:47.42 | Linuxx0r | the low gravity one |
| 16:48.11 | Linuxx0r | but there are some problems with the autokick for too high players |
| 16:48.22 | Linuxx0r | I am fixing that at the moment |
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| 17:04.05 | CBG | Linuxx0r: here he is :) |
| 17:05.13 | Linuxx0r | :9 |
| 17:05.16 | Linuxx0r | :) |
| 17:05.47 | Linuxx0r | JeffM2501, I implemented the low gravity flag |
| 17:09.27 | ts | Linuxx0r: Hi |
| 17:09.38 | ts | What problems with the autokick? |
| 17:09.41 | blast007 | is the amount of effect controled via BZDB |
| 17:09.46 | CBG | Is that a good or bad flag? :) |
| 17:09.50 | blast007 | ts: someone with lower gravity can jump higher |
| 17:09.52 | Linuxx0r | okay |
| 17:09.58 | Linuxx0r | 1. its a good flag |
| 17:10.13 | Linuxx0r | 2. you can setit via "/set _lggravity" |
| 17:10.22 | JeffM2501 | cool |
| 17:10.25 | ts | blast007: I coded it..so I asked out of curiousity. remember it is not tested in public yet.. |
| 17:10.29 | JeffM2501 | submit that as a patch too |
| 17:11.01 | Linuxx0r | I am fixing the autokick problem at the moment |
| 17:11.02 | Linuxx0r | okay |
| 17:11.42 | the_enemy | is that jump higher in the sense of increasing jumpvelocity _and_ decreasing gravity for that player? Otherwise it seems like it could be a bad flag, making it easy to shoot someone when they land. |
| 17:12.20 | blast007 | ts: I guess I don't understand your last comment |
| 17:12.39 | blast007 | I wasn't asking about wether or not it was tested |
| 17:13.21 | ts | if there is a potential problem I want to know what it is, in case it does not come from other mods |
| 17:13.41 | blast007 | k |
| 17:13.44 | Linuxx0r | in the flag list on the bzflag wiki it was marked as a good one... |
| 17:14.26 | blast007 | I'd say it's both good and bad |
| 17:14.37 | blast007 | able to reach higher places, but easier to kill when falling |
| 17:15.10 | ts | I would prefer a flag that would give people more gravity |
| 17:15.16 | blast007 | /set _lggravity 0 |
| 17:15.17 | blast007 | ;) |
| 17:17.40 | ts | Would make them falling down sooner so they have an advance |
| 17:17.40 | blast007 | yeah |
| 17:17.43 | CBG | well, could you set the gravity HIGHER for this flag? |
| 17:17.43 | CBG | /set _lggravity -20 ? |
| 17:17.43 | Linuxx0r | yes |
| 17:17.43 | CBG | That would be a "High Gravity" flag, which would give the advantage ts mentions. |
| 17:17.43 | blast007 | positive gravity is more fun though |
| 17:17.44 | JeffM2501 | a high gravity "bad" flag would not be a bad addition as well |
| 17:18.00 | ts | However that way we have a new problem |
| 17:18.10 | CBG | High gravity is not necesarily a bad flag. |
| 17:18.16 | ts | Currently the code does not check for too low jumps |
| 17:18.19 | CBG | Neither is low gravity necessarily a good one. |
| 17:18.27 | ts | because the packets could get lost |
| 17:21.01 | JeffM2501 | Linuxx0r, you did all this in CVS head right? |
| 17:21.35 | Linuxx0r | i made it based on the cvs code, yes |
| 17:22.37 | ts | Linuxx0r: he means cvs head, not v2_0branch |
| 17:22.55 | ts | both is in cvs..and he wanted to make sure you used head |
| 17:23.04 | CBG | (2.1) |
| 17:24.16 | Linuxx0r | umm... what exactly do you mean? the version 2.1? |
| 17:24.34 | ts | The 2.1 code |
| 17:24.46 | Linuxx0r | i used the version 2.1.x pre-alpha code |
| 17:24.54 | ts | That's cvs head |
| 17:25.00 | Linuxx0r | okay :) |
| 17:25.30 | ts | Good..so it doesn't need to be ported to cvs head |
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| 17:30.46 | ts | >:) |
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| 17:32.27 | Linuxx0r | okay, now it works |
| 17:32.34 | Linuxx0r | the autokick |
| 17:33.01 | Linuxx0r | oh, wait... |
| 17:35.50 | eile | Hi |
| 17:36.06 | eile | I posted this to the forum today, and got rerouted here: I am heavily involved with multipipe rendering on both big shared memory machines and clusters (see www.equalizergraphics.com ). I also have a longstanding faible for BZFlag (due to my history w/ SGI). |
| 17:36.07 | eile | I want to investigate what it takes to make a multipipe/cluster version of BZFlag to run on our display wall, and potentially in a VR environment. |
| 17:36.27 | eile | Has something like that been discussed already? |
| 17:37.31 | CBG | eile: hi. I'm the one who sent you here :) |
| 17:37.36 | CBG | I would suggest you speak to JeffM2501, DTRemenak, brlcad, and, when he is here: TimRiker. |
| 17:38.04 | eile | All right |
| 17:38.37 | eile | I will just lurk around here to see if these guys come online |
| 17:38.37 | JeffM2501 | eile, I know at least one person was doing something with some sort of distributed openGL |
| 17:38.37 | eile | I gotta leave in around 90 minutes |
| 17:38.37 | JeffM2501 | was slow as hell |
| 17:38.43 | eile | Yes, I can imagine |
| 17:39.02 | eile | I am not distributing OpenGL, but parallizing the application instead |
| 17:39.15 | JeffM2501 | ok |
| 17:39.21 | JeffM2501 | it's not realy set up for that |
| 17:39.24 | JeffM2501 | it's a very simple game |
| 17:39.38 | eile | Well, if it's simple, its easy ;) |
| 17:40.04 | eile | I just need to find the right pieces to separate the rendering from the application and event handling |
| 17:40.10 | JeffM2501 | AHAHAHAHA |
| 17:40.11 | JeffM2501 | yeah right |
| 17:40.17 | JeffM2501 | good luck with that part ;) |
| 17:40.21 | JeffM2501 | there isn't one place |
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| 17:41.27 | ts | it's evil, we all know :/ |
| 17:41.27 | JeffM2501 | but then it calls stuff all over the place |
| 17:41.35 | findlay | ibot: hello |
| 17:41.36 | ibot | Howdy Bub |
| 17:41.37 | JeffM2501 | the game is old, it wasn't made to do nice stuff |
| 17:41.42 | eile | Well, I don't care about that |
| 17:42.07 | JeffM2501 | now what is your plan? an executable on each node? |
| 17:42.07 | eile | As long as I find a way to tell the render clients where and how to render |
| 17:42.07 | brlcad | eile: what would you have each node doing? rendering separate portions of the view? |
| 17:42.07 | eile | yes |
| 17:42.15 | brlcad | hmm |
| 17:42.21 | JeffM2501 | the view would not be hard |
| 17:42.29 | eile | yes, Equalizer gives you a frustum to render on |
| 17:42.31 | JeffM2501 | geting all those nodes to have a sycneded state, that is going to be ahrd |
| 17:42.46 | JeffM2501 | yeah you can mod the frustum for our view, that's not hard |
| 17:42.46 | eile | That is the event handling bit for me |
| 17:42.47 | brlcad | i suppose you could hack playing and have a compile-time toggle for some sort of controller node and render nodes |
| 17:42.54 | JeffM2501 | yeah |
| 17:43.00 | JeffM2501 | you'd have to have a lot of hooks for the state updates |
| 17:43.09 | JeffM2501 | those are spread all over |
| 17:43.16 | JeffM2501 | right now the client does most of the game logic |
| 17:43.28 | brlcad | you'd have to have a pipe between the two, though to get the render nodes their updates, that could get rather complicated |
| 17:43.35 | JeffM2501 | yeah |
| 17:43.42 | eile | ok |
| 17:43.50 | JeffM2501 | tho if you could just stub out all but the rendering, and have it do a state sync right before |
| 17:43.56 | JeffM2501 | just dump the entire scenemanager over |
| 17:44.04 | eile | And the state is not well separated either, I guess? |
| 17:44.05 | brlcad | yeah, that might work |
| 17:44.06 | JeffM2501 | after all the rendernodes are added, it may work |
| 17:44.11 | JeffM2501 | there are 2 state things |
| 17:44.17 | JeffM2501 | the scenenodes and the rendernodes |
| 17:44.28 | JeffM2501 | it actualy isn't too bad |
| 17:44.31 | eile | ok |
| 17:44.39 | eile | sounds promising |
| 17:44.42 | brlcad | it only needs the scene to render, so the idea would be to just serialize and shovel that data over to the render nodes every frame |
| 17:44.54 | JeffM2501 | yeah |
| 17:44.56 | eile | exactly |
| 17:45.02 | brlcad | that's easy to say.. |
| 17:45.14 | brlcad | but not trivial to implement ;) |
| 17:45.14 | eile | ANd the events are already send back by Equalizer |
| 17:45.14 | JeffM2501 | now making moded clients that only do a rendernode pass, tha's going to be a huge pain |
| 17:45.27 | JeffM2501 | events? |
| 17:45.29 | JeffM2501 | what events? |
| 17:45.32 | eile | Well, I already have distributed object code |
| 17:45.35 | brlcad | yeah a lot of #ifdefing or ripping code |
| 17:45.39 | eile | Mouse, keyboard events |
| 17:45.49 | JeffM2501 | you'd not want to send those to the other nodes |
| 17:45.58 | JeffM2501 | you'd want ONE to do that |
| 17:45.59 | brlcad | you wouldn't need to either |
| 17:46.04 | eile | No, they are send from all the nodes to the app |
| 17:46.10 | JeffM2501 | huh? |
| 17:46.20 | JeffM2501 | why would you care or want the input from other nodes? |
| 17:46.23 | eile | ANyway, that is not important here, I think |
| 17:46.39 | eile | Well, the application in Equalizer does not necessarily have a window |
| 17:46.54 | JeffM2501 | honeslty it's probably easyer for you to just use a real engine and remake the simple gameplay |
| 17:47.14 | eile | Yes, but I already have simple demos |
| 17:47.26 | eile | I'ld like to have a cool game to show |
| 17:47.26 | brlcad | or write a simple application that just knows how to render bz's scenemanager so when it gets one in serialized form, it can draw |
| 17:47.34 | JeffM2501 | yeah |
| 17:47.52 | JeffM2501 | realy it'd just be hiting the list of rendernodes and pulling them from the octree |
| 17:47.52 | eile | How complicated would that be, based on the bzflag code |
| 17:48.07 | JeffM2501 | you'd end up riping a lot out, but probalby not too bad |
| 17:48.26 | JeffM2501 | have you looked at the bzflag code at all yet? |
| 17:48.29 | brlcad | probably not too hard at all actually.. a lot of stubbing stuff perhaps, and build system ugliness |
| 17:48.42 | eile | No, I haven't looked at it yet |
| 17:48.50 | JeffM2501 | what OS are you doing this on? |
| 17:48.55 | eile | Linux |
| 17:49.09 | JeffM2501 | I'd take a look at the code first, and get a feel for the flow of the app |
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| 17:49.46 | eile | Ok, can you point me to the places for the two states and the place to kick of the rendering on a given OpenGL drawable? |
| 17:50.08 | JeffM2501 | take a look at the code first |
| 17:50.14 | eile | ok |
| 17:50.35 | eile | I just think it would be a killer to have this kind of game in a VR environment |
| 17:50.38 | JeffM2501 | then find where we render the scenenodes |
| 17:50.51 | eile | Or even just a large scale display |
| 17:50.56 | JeffM2501 | cus you like boxes? |
| 17:51.00 | JeffM2501 | and pyramids? |
| 17:51.05 | eile | ? |
| 17:51.15 | JeffM2501 | that's what most maps are |
| 17:51.21 | eile | I'll check out the code |
| 17:51.34 | JeffM2501 | have you played the game? |
| 17:51.46 | eile | Yes, I did |
| 17:52.03 | eile | Starting on an Indigo^2 with the SGI version |
| 17:52.14 | JeffM2501 | have you played it recently? |
| 17:52.14 | eile | and recently the mac version |
| 17:52.17 | JeffM2501 | ok |
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| 17:54.08 | JeffM2501 | you should also note, that we curently have 2 difrent branches of the code |
| 17:54.15 | eile | ok |
| 17:54.26 | JeffM2501 | our CVS head is version 2.1.x and is where new development is going |
| 17:54.37 | JeffM2501 | it is incombpatble with our older branch, 2.0.x |
| 17:54.57 | JeffM2501 | everyone right now is playing 2.0.8 or before |
| 17:55.10 | JeffM2501 | and we have no plans for any more 2.0.x releases |
| 17:55.57 | JeffM2501 | but we do have it as a CVS branch, with a couple small fixes in it |
| 17:56.58 | eile | I checked out the bzflag branch - but I don't see the 20./2.1 in the code |
| 17:57.11 | JeffM2501 | then you got head |
| 17:57.15 | JeffM2501 | if you didn't specificy a tag |
| 17:57.20 | JeffM2501 | that's 2.1.x |
| 17:57.23 | eile | I did at cvs -z3 -d:pserver:anonymous@bzflag.cvs.sourceforge.net:/cvsroot/bzflag co bzflag |
| 17:57.30 | blast007 | yup |
| 17:57.30 | JeffM2501 | yup |
| 17:57.41 | eile | So I got the 2.1? |
| 17:57.47 | eile | I haven't used CVS in ages |
| 17:57.51 | JeffM2501 | if you want the 2.0.x code, then you add -r v2_0branch after the co before the bzflag |
| 17:58.01 | JeffM2501 | yeah thats CVS head, the default |
| 17:58.01 | eile | Switched to svn a couple of years ago |
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| 17:58.05 | eile | great |
| 17:58.15 | eile | I'll look through it |
| 17:58.18 | JeffM2501 | you won't find many if any servers |
| 17:58.20 | ibunny | hi babes :* :* |
| 17:58.25 | ibunny | and hi ppl :) |
| 17:58.30 | hardwire | *SMOOCHIES* |
| 17:58.32 | JeffM2501 | and I think the linux build system is busted for head right now |
| 17:58.41 | JeffM2501 | it won't walk the plugins dirs right |
| 17:58.42 | hardwire | *gasp* |
| 17:58.42 | eile | super |
| 17:58.50 | eile | I am on Darwin right now |
| 17:58.55 | eile | At home on the laptop |
| 17:58.55 | JeffM2501 | someone(tm) has to fix it |
| 17:59.00 | eile | I'll see |
| 17:59.53 | eile | Yeah, its just that this is a side-project for me |
| 18:00.06 | eile | I'll have to do 'serious' stuff with Equalizer |
| 18:00.26 | eile | Well, I'll see how fare I get and will ask questions from time to time |
| 18:00.37 | JeffM2501 | good luck :) |
| 18:00.44 | eile | Thanks |
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| 18:36.12 | ts | JeffM2501: Do you have an ideo of why we do lostavg * 100 but jitteravg * 1000 etc? |
| 18:36.23 | ts | idea* |
| 18:36.37 | JeffM2501 | no |
| 18:36.47 | ts | It looks strange to me.. |
| 18:36.48 | JeffM2501 | jitter is a mystic concept to me |
| 18:36.59 | ts | nah, lostavg is an exception |
| 18:37.00 | JeffM2501 | the entire jitter/lag comps look strange to me |
| 18:37.13 | ts | it is indeed |
| 18:37.25 | ts | however I do wonder about that multiplier |
| 18:37.41 | JeffM2501 | check history, find the author, ask |
| 18:40.10 | ts | okies |
| 18:42.35 | ts | I just hoped to avoid that slow sourceforge system :/ |
| 18:58.24 | JeffM2501 | history is your friend |
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| 19:19.54 | Birdie | there goes the global |
| 19:21.11 | SportChick | yep |
| 19:21.28 | ts | Jeffm2501: It was already present at the initial check in at SF |
| 19:22.26 | JeffM2501 | can't be |
| 19:22.31 | JeffM2501 | jitter and lag were added way after |
| 19:22.36 | JeffM2501 | it must have moved from a difrent file |
| 19:22.47 | ts | yes...but message is "Moving LagInfo to game/" |
| 19:23.00 | ts | so it's somewhere in the attic or whatever |
| 19:23.00 | JeffM2501 | you'll have to go back and find out where it was |
| 19:23.14 | JeffM2501 | it was probalby in another file we still have |
| 19:23.22 | JeffM2501 | go grab 2.0.0 and see where it is ;) |
| 19:23.33 | JeffM2501 | it's called research :) |
| 19:23.35 | JeffM2501 | it's fun |
| 19:25.51 | ts | Maybe it's not fun for me :p |
| 19:26.38 | JeffM2501 | it's part of being a developer on a team project |
| 19:26.50 | JeffM2501 | may not be prety, but it's what we got |
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| 19:53.57 | blast007 | 1.7e1 has lag kick |
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| 19:54.15 | tannerld | 1.7? |
| 19:54.58 | blast007 | ts: you're looking for where the lag kick stuff was first added? |
| 19:55.09 | blast007 | or the jitter kick? |
| 19:55.20 | ts | blast007: I did the jitter kick.. |
| 19:55.27 | blast007 | hehe, k |
| 19:55.58 | ts | soon there will be a packetloss kick as well, if I can sort out one problem |
| 19:56.37 | blast007 | lag kick was added back in revision 1.34 of src/bzfs/bzfs.cxx |
| 19:57.06 | ts | blast007: What I am looking for is the computation of lostavg |
| 20:02.42 | Linuxx0r | okay, I have finished the patches now |
| 20:03.12 | Linuxx0r | but they are for an 3 day old cvs version. |
| 20:03.44 | Linuxx0r | does that matter? or should i update my cvs-version and implement it again? |
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| 20:28.09 | ts | Linuxx0r: cd to the appropriate dir, then cvs update -dP |
| 20:28.27 | ts | That will update your checkout |
| 20:29.59 | Linuxx0r | okay |
| 20:32.00 | Linuxx0r | you mean that will upload my changes? Or does it download the current cvs-code? |
| 20:32.23 | ts | Neither |
| 20:33.09 | ts | It will check whether files are updated at remote site, in case they are it will update the files and merge potantial changed into the new files |
| 20:33.42 | Linuxx0r | wow |
| 20:33.48 | Linuxx0r | thats great |
| 20:34.11 | ts | It won't upload any changes |
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