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| 02:23.46 | delusional | <PROTECTED> |
| 02:25.42 | shorty114 | hmm would a 200 player server require a lot of CPU at its fullest point? |
| 02:25.58 | shorty114 | i don't think it would be that much, since bzfs is a pretty lean program |
| 02:26.10 | shorty114 | something like counter-strike or battlefield would probably take a bit more |
| 02:27.59 | delusional | some of the boys over at planetmofo have had a backburner project going for a long time |
| 02:28.11 | delusional | it looks like it might happen, now |
| 02:29.22 | delusional | we'll have 6 or 8 popular maps in a "mash-up" and our new spawnByPlayerCount plugin will co-ordinate it |
| 02:30.23 | delusional | all we need is 200 players |
| 02:42.08 | delusional | Yeah, let's all jump up and do cartwheels |
| 02:57.44 | the_enemy | the player list might be a bit long :) |
| 02:58.16 | the_enemy | seems an interesting idea. I'd have thought the UDP traffic for shots would kill a 200 player server though? |
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| 07:27.50 | LePoulpe303 | Hi BZworld ! |
| 07:28.11 | Manu | morning LePoulpe303 |
| 07:29.19 | LePoulpe303 | hey Manu |
| 07:29.52 | LePoulpe303 | Manu: are u a server owner ? |
| 07:30.08 | Manu | I'm a server admin |
| 07:30.23 | Manu | the owner is Pimpi |
| 07:30.34 | LePoulpe303 | can u perform a /IDLIST on one server (with ppl on it) and give me the output ? |
| 07:31.47 | Manu | id displays names and id separated by a ':' char |
| 07:32.19 | LePoulpe303 | so it displays only reged players ? |
| 07:32.50 | Manu | I guess yes, but all the players are registered |
| 07:33.25 | LePoulpe303 | my training nicks are not registerd ;) |
| 07:33.33 | Manu | non registered players are dilplayed too |
| 07:33.45 | Manu | but no number after the : |
| 07:33.49 | Manu | just blank |
| 07:33.55 | LePoulpe303 | thnaks a lot !! |
| 07:34.13 | Manu | :) |
| 07:34.32 | Manu | you can see it in the code too ;) |
| 07:35.22 | LePoulpe303 | lost my c++ googles |
| 07:35.28 | Manu | hehe |
| 07:35.53 | trepan | LePoulpe303: learn some c++ and do it right ;) |
| 07:36.36 | LePoulpe303 | trepan: sry for the troll, but i d'ont like c++ |
| 07:36.42 | Manu | trepan: easier is to ask ;) |
| 07:37.37 | LePoulpe303 | in fact i dislike all brackets made languages |
| 07:38.00 | LePoulpe303 | Manu: you cwere not obliged to answer to my question ! |
| 07:38.17 | Manu | LePoulpe303: I'm glad to help you ;) |
| 07:39.07 | Manu | I simply have said it's easier to ask (than to learn english) |
| 07:39.11 | Manu | err c++ |
| 07:39.19 | Manu | :) |
| 07:39.36 | LePoulpe303 | lol |
| 07:40.00 | Manu | hehe |
| 07:41.13 | LePoulpe303 | english compiler are less exigent than c++ ones |
| 07:41.22 | LePoulpe303 | me speak like that no problem |
| 07:41.36 | LePoulpe303 | if try that { not working; |
| 07:42.13 | Manu | try freepascal, no {} :) |
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| 07:53.53 | LePoulpe303 | python forever |
| 07:55.58 | trepan | heh |
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| 08:04.09 | tarco | hello |
| 08:07.28 | LePoulpe303 | clandestino !!! |
| 08:12.12 | Manu | who? :/ |
| 08:15.15 | LePoulpe303 | manuchao |
| 08:15.45 | Manu | shhhhh |
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| 08:27.15 | LePoulpe403 | 403 is good too , finally |
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| 09:28.49 | LePoulpe303 | Manu: ping, pyng ,peeng ? |
| 09:31.08 | LePoulpe303 | as far as you know , is there any bzflag bot executable detached from bzflag program ? |
| 09:31.21 | LePoulpe303 | i mean a console bot , or something like that |
| 09:37.47 | Manu | LePoulpe303: really dunno, I guess no |
| 09:46.55 | trepan | LePoulpe303: looked into using bzadmin? |
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| 11:32.06 | LePoulpe303 | trepan: i mean a robot tank |
| 11:32.16 | LePoulpe303 | and i look already too much in bzadmin ;) |
| 11:34.48 | LePoulpe303 | last night i dreamt brackets where running after me to eat me |
| 11:36.15 | LePoulpe303 | {} noooooooooooooooooooo |
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| 13:04.43 | ts | DTRemenak: ping |
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| 14:31.43 | TheEagle246 | hey i sometimes run a private server and i cant find how to set the server behavior at the end of a game? |
| 14:32.17 | TheEagle246 | i geuss it would be in conf but wat is the tag? |
| 14:34.52 | TheEagle246 | anyone? |
| 14:35.53 | Chestal | what kind of behavior? |
| 14:36.50 | TheEagle246 | i want it to either restart the game or close it |
| 14:38.49 | TheEagle246 | do you know how to do that? |
| 14:39.29 | brlcad | all players have to leave the server for it to restart |
| 14:39.44 | brlcad | you can issue a superkill and it'll restart too |
| 14:39.54 | Chestal | there is -g option I think which makes the server quit when end of game is reached |
| 14:40.26 | TheEagle246 | ok, thatnks guys :) |
| 14:45.21 | LePoulpe303 | woot |
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| 14:45.24 | LePoulpe303 | yeeeha |
| 14:45.33 | LePoulpe303 | cowabunga |
| 14:45.40 | CBG | :) |
| 14:46.41 | LePoulpe303 | CBG : TheEye is connected to WNC server and performs its ranking |
| 14:46.46 | CBG | "o |
| 14:46.48 | CBG | :o * |
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| 15:00.06 | LePoulpe303 | who is wnc's owner ? |
| 15:20.40 | brlcad | why you are |
| 15:21.49 | LePoulpe303 | brlcad: just want a temporary ability to send /IDLIST command |
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| 16:21.39 | ts | Erroneous: ping |
| 16:22.04 | Erroneous | ts: pong |
| 16:22.43 | ts | Erroneous: Changes to make the server optionally kick people with packet loss welcome? |
| 16:23.45 | Erroneous | ts: afaiac, yes...probably want to ask brlcad though |
| 16:25.02 | ts | afaiac? |
| 16:25.26 | Erroneous | as far as I am concerned |
| 16:25.39 | ts | aaah |
| 16:25.54 | ts | brlcad: ping ;) |
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| 17:19.45 | CIA-3 | BZFlag: 03jeffm2501 * 10db/weblogin.php: give back the bzid if they want it |
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| 17:52.31 | the_enemy | any admins able to go to the pinball rabbit chase map? there's a cheater there called "muhadeen". Invincibility cheat, but only when cloaked oddly. |
| 17:55.01 | the_enemy | cheater seems to have left of own accord now |
| 17:55.10 | the_enemy | infinite wing jumps too |
| 17:55.20 | the_enemy | nope he's back |
| 17:55.24 | the_enemy | anyone? |
| 17:55.40 | ts | I think no admins of this server are here |
| 17:55.50 | the_enemy | global cops? |
| 17:56.23 | L4m3r | which server? |
| 18:01.37 | the_enemy | thanks l4m3r if that really was you that time :) |
| 18:02.28 | L4m3r | nah, he left |
| 18:02.39 | L4m3r | I'll keep an eye out for him |
| 18:03.06 | the_enemy | did you get his ip? |
| 18:05.11 | L4m3r | I could be pulled from the logs |
| 18:07.15 | L4m3r | gotta go, later |
| 18:08.10 | the_enemy | he's back |
| 18:09.15 | JeffM2501 | there are no such things as "global cops" |
| 18:12.12 | the_enemy | global admins i mean. but it's ok *finally* a poll managed to pass |
| 18:12.31 | JeffM2501 | there are none of those ether |
| 18:12.41 | the_enemy | really? oh. I thought there was. |
| 18:12.50 | JeffM2501 | the comunity or project itself has no administration ability on servers |
| 18:12.56 | JeffM2501 | they are run by there owners |
| 18:13.43 | the_enemy | i thought that was part of the advantages of the bzbb groups. oh well |
| 18:13.49 | JeffM2501 | no |
| 18:14.11 | JeffM2501 | it's just to let you manage a group for more then one server |
| 18:14.11 | JeffM2501 | that's the only reason for using them |
| 18:14.23 | JeffM2501 | and so you can pick up name changes automaticly |
| 18:14.58 | JeffM2501 | if we had a global admin system server owners would have to opt into it, and allow only our team to admin there servers |
| 18:15.19 | JeffM2501 | and would follow one set of rules |
| 18:16.20 | ts | Theoretically bzbb could be used to make a certain group of people being admin everywhere but who we are to judge about it? The people that run the servers should decide, it's their hardware/money/bandwidth they spend. |
| 18:16.21 | the_enemy | i think there's a basic set of standards though, not least about cheaters. |
| 18:16.35 | JeffM2501 | ts, only if the server owners added the permisions |
| 18:16.38 | JeffM2501 | the_enemy, there is not |
| 18:16.39 | the_enemy | opt-in might be nice |
| 18:16.50 | JeffM2501 | we do not force any server to follow ANY rules |
| 18:17.04 | ts | JeffM2501: That is what I wrote.. |
| 18:17.06 | JeffM2501 | I have an idea for a system but it'll need better user management |
| 18:17.21 | JeffM2501 | ahh I see now, just formated oddly :) |
| 18:17.55 | JeffM2501 | a global admin system is much more then just the techincal issue of a group |
| 18:18.10 | JeffM2501 | it's a server owner saying "yes I want you to do my job for me, and use your rules" |
| 18:18.13 | ts | It has a social compenent. |
| 18:18.15 | JeffM2501 | yes |
| 18:18.46 | JeffM2501 | then that server admin team needs a solid set of rules and goals to work under |
| 18:18.55 | JeffM2501 | cus there can be a lot of people they affect |
| 18:19.07 | JeffM2501 | and if we make it global, then it's basicly saying the "offical" way |
| 18:21.09 | brlcad | ts: sure sounds like a reasonable change.. sounds like something that was already done actually, maybe just default set to not kick? |
| 18:22.04 | brlcad | it's generally something entirely out of the users' control, so it's not very friendly, but could be necessary for exceptionally high loss amounts |
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| 18:40.55 | L4m3r | On a side note, Planet MoFo has a lot of different servers... it should usually be denoted in the server message, and if that is the case there's amost always a mofo cop at ##planetmofo |
| 18:41.12 | L4m3r | i.e, the pinball server is run by planet mofo |
| 18:41.26 | CBG | it's a citrus server, iirc |
| 18:41.34 | L4m3r | yup |
| 18:41.35 | CBG | trop mentioned it in his forum post |
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| 19:33.31 | ts | brlcad: I want to do something like the lagkick, configurable by the server owner |
| 19:34.24 | brlcad | ts: I got that muc |
| 19:34.28 | brlcad | s/muc/much/ |
| 19:34.47 | ts | The man pages don't look like anything in that regard is available currently |
| 19:34.50 | brlcad | i'm saying i'd be surprised if someone didn't already code that, maybe with it just defaulting to off |
| 19:35.02 | brlcad | don't look at the man page.. look at the code :) |
| 19:35.23 | ts | I'm surprised BZFlag doesn't use a robust protocol, too ;) |
| 19:45.12 | brlcad | to which I'd respond it's minimally robust enough as it is |
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| 19:45.31 | brlcad | the more robust you make it, the more overhead would generally be introduced |
| 19:45.58 | brlcad | robust networking is "generally" unacceptible to gaming if it interferes with performance even minimally |
| 19:56.12 | ts | brlcad: Well, when one way induced network problems are coming in handy then I would say it's not good. |
| 20:03.58 | A_Heart_Attack | i get: parse error on line 3 |
| 20:04.00 | A_Heart_Attack | oops |
| 20:04.03 | tannerld | lol |
| 20:04.07 | A_Heart_Attack | wrong channel |
| 20:04.08 | A_Heart_Attack | :p |
| 20:04.09 | brlcad | yeah, except there's really not much you can do about packet loss regardless in the game other than degrade the game for the player with the loss and fake a good player to everyone else |
| 20:04.33 | brlcad | A_Heart_Attack: so you turn one wrong line into four? :) |
| 20:05.19 | A_Heart_Attack | ? |
| 20:05.37 | CBG | You didn't see the channel he MEANT to paste in, brlcad. It's fair to assume one became 5 at least. |
| 20:05.40 | brlcad | ts: the only way to really minimize the problems fully robustly would be something heavyweight like tcp, and that level utterly *destroys* performance for interactive gaming |
| 20:06.02 | brlcad | A_Heart_Attack: I just meant |
| 20:06.05 | brlcad | that you took one message |
| 20:06.13 | brlcad | and kept compounding the problem |
| 20:06.16 | brlcad | instead of ending it there |
| 20:06.18 | brlcad | ;) |
| 20:06.29 | A_Heart_Attack | oh |
| 20:06.30 | A_Heart_Attack | lol |
| 20:06.34 | brlcad | like that |
| 20:06.36 | brlcad | lol |
| 20:06.38 | Tupone | brlcad: you too, and now me :) |
| 20:06.42 | A_Heart_Attack | wow |
| 20:06.50 | brlcad | bad habits :) |
| 20:07.18 | brlcad | howsit going tuponeman? |
| 20:07.46 | Tupone | doing good: gentooing :) |
| 20:08.52 | brlcad | eggselent |
| 20:08.56 | A_Heart_Attack | lol |
| 20:10.18 | Tupone | https://bugs.gentoo.org/show_bug.cgi?id=140918 anyone could take care of this? |
| 20:10.58 | Tupone | if that is true |
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| 20:18.02 | A_Heart_Attack | hey Jeff |
| 20:19.31 | A_Heart_Attack | lol |
| 20:20.39 | brlcad | A_Heart_Attack: seriously, enough with the lol'ing |
| 20:21.03 | brlcad | Tupone: it is true, and is caused by compilation options |
| 20:21.24 | brlcad | i don't recall the problem being strict aliasing though, it was ieee floating point related |
| 20:21.57 | brlcad | have to keep ieee behavior enabled even if O3, which by default turns it off |
| 20:22.08 | JeffM2501 | hey |
| 20:23.06 | brlcad | how goes it on the left coast? |
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| 20:23.40 | JeffM2501 | windy |
| 20:25.32 | brlcad | Tupone: I believe they can just add -mieee |
| 20:26.01 | tannerld | ooo |
| 20:26.47 | JeffM2501 | wow, it actualy has a laser in it |
| 20:28.56 | purple_cow | JeffM2501: I love laser mice |
| 20:29.01 | purple_cow | they work so much better than optical |
| 20:29.10 | JeffM2501 | it was the only one I could find that didn't have a tilt wheel and 2 side buttons |
| 20:29.15 | JeffM2501 | it seems to be very responsive |
| 20:29.28 | JeffM2501 | and it's all black and badass lookin |
| 20:29.36 | JeffM2501 | and came with a HUGE mousepad |
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| 20:35.30 | ts | JeffM2501: Which mouse and which mousepad? |
| 20:35.40 | JeffM2501 | MS lasermouse 6000 |
| 20:35.45 | ts | Eeek ;) |
| 20:35.56 | JeffM2501 | came with a "qck steel" pad |
| 20:36.32 | ts | I use an MX 1000 and just bought an Everglide Ricochet 2.52 (Red) this week |
| 20:36.44 | JeffM2501 | dunno what those are |
| 20:36.54 | ts | http://everglide.de/image.php?view=ricochet_red |
| 20:37.15 | JeffM2501 | the pad came with the mouse |
| 20:37.22 | ts | I had a no name mousepad before...they change is impressive |
| 20:38.25 | ts | Believe me, using a table as mousepad is a no-go in games |
| 20:38.27 | JeffM2501 | so you don't rub the crap outa your desk |
| 20:38.39 | ts | yeah, that too ;) |
| 20:40.12 | Tupone | aww |
| 20:41.01 | Tupone | maybe a fix in your cvs is good too |
| 20:41.09 | brlcad | maybe |
| 20:41.15 | brlcad | hard to reproduce the problem |
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| 20:41.20 | SportChick | hi Tupone!! |
| 20:41.21 | brlcad | it mostly happened on 64bit platforms |
| 20:41.44 | Tupone | hi SportChick |
| 20:41.48 | jcape | Any viper admins, there's a cheater on right now, "streamer" |
| 20:41.51 | brlcad | there was a 64bit bug fixed too related to the protocol |
| 20:41.53 | jcape | Supposedly he has been poll-banned repeatedly |
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| 21:06.24 | Pimpi_ | <PROTECTED> |
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| 21:28.30 | SportChick | hey Pimpi_ |
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