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| 00:34.16 | romfis | gn8 all!! byebye! |
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| 01:02.20 | findlay | hello |
| 01:02.32 | findlay | ibot: sup |
| 01:02.33 | ibot | Yo findlay, how's it going eh? |
| 01:02.41 | findlay | eh |
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| 01:05.50 | blast007 | hi findlay |
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| 01:06.38 | orchid | ibot is canadian? |
| 01:08.54 | blast007 | only when it drinks too much |
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| 01:12.15 | iank | So, apologies for probably being the 300th person to jump in here and ask this, but what happened to the list server? |
| 01:12.40 | Gnurdux | list server goes down all the time |
| 01:13.56 | iank | I just got back into bzflag, after a few months of no 3d graphics card. Guess this is a fairly recent problem? |
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| 01:16.48 | blast007 | ~bzflist |
| 01:16.48 | codergeek42 | iank: It's been moved. make sure the list in .bzf/2.0/config.cfg is set to "http://my.bzflag.org/db/" and you should be set |
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| 01:45.21 | iank | codergeek42: #set list http://my.BZFlag.org/db/ |
| 01:45.35 | codergeek42 | bleh that's my setup too |
| 01:45.47 | codergeek42 | so no idea why it's not working o_O |
| 01:46.01 | iank | Well, it /is/ commented out. But I assume it is the default. Going to uncomment and give it a try. |
| 01:46.36 | iank | Yeah, still not working. |
| 01:47.02 | DTRemenak | iank: what seems to be the problem? |
| 01:47.07 | iank | Any ideas? I can't get to that host at all (ping, traceroute, http...). But I /can/ resolve it. |
| 01:47.15 | iank | DTRemenak: list server all asplode. |
| 01:47.16 | DTRemenak | ah |
| 01:47.21 | DTRemenak | works for me |
| 01:47.37 | DTRemenak | probably have a bad route |
| 01:47.58 | iank | Like, in the last few hours? Yeah, I guess so. I recall someone commenting during a game that the list server was down. Figured it was an everybody-problem. |
| 01:57.58 | brlcad | iank: can you reach the website? |
| 01:58.37 | brlcad | what does browsing to http://my.bzflag.bz show? |
| 02:02.32 | iank | brlcad: I can't ping, traceroute, http, etc. |
| 02:02.41 | brlcad | iank: what's your IP? |
| 02:02.42 | iank | So no, I can't reach the website :) |
| 02:02.49 | iank | I can, however, resolve the host. |
| 02:02.54 | iank | will pm. |
| 02:03.08 | brlcad | resolving the host goes through dns, doens't contact the server |
| 02:03.11 | iank | I know. |
| 02:03.22 | iank | But not being able to resolve it would cause all of those problems above. |
| 02:03.28 | iank | So I answered the question before someone asked :) |
| 02:04.26 | brlcad | ahh, yep blocked |
| 02:04.44 | brlcad | Thu Oct 12 13:31:19 EDT 2006 xxx.xxx.xxx.xxx had 16 active connections |
| 02:04.56 | brlcad | do you happen to recall what you were last doing when you could contact it? |
| 02:08.36 | iank | 16 active connections!? |
| 02:08.56 | iank | Last time I could contact it, I was playing bzflag on louman's xenon map. |
| 02:09.03 | brlcad | yeah, you triggered a blocking rule that's been recently put in place to fight off a bunch of botnet attacks |
| 02:09.27 | iank | Could switching servers again and again have left some unproperly closed connections, triggering that rule? |
| 02:09.40 | iank | (I was doing a bit of server hopping, as a server I quite like had no players) |
| 02:10.23 | iank | Ah well. It's back. Thanks for your help, brlcad |
| 02:10.29 | brlcad | "possibly", but those are active connections |
| 02:10.46 | brlcad | yeah, it's back because I unblocked you :) |
| 02:11.22 | brlcad | and increased the limits just in case, though that will likely catch fewer attacks now |
| 02:14.29 | brlcad | total players, total registered, last 60 days, online now, time "spent" playing the game and what that equates to even at a minimum wage.. :) |
| 02:14.48 | blast007 | heh |
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| 06:51.36 | daniel_jackson | hey is the list server down? |
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| 06:59.11 | daniel_jackson | hey is the list server down? |
| 06:59.41 | deprecated | That is my guess |
| 07:00.39 | deprecated | Haven't seen an admin type in a while. |
| 07:01.02 | daniel_jackson | I've pinged the server, so the box is up |
| 07:01.25 | daniel_jackson | it just may be the service that is down |
| 07:01.38 | daniel_jackson | probably apache |
| 07:01.55 | deprecated | yup |
| 07:02.11 | daniel_jackson | nobody is on boxy war |
| 07:02.53 | daniel_jackson | but you connect directly to it |
| 07:03.00 | deprecated | yeah it's the time of night it goes slow, even there |
| 07:03.22 | daniel_jackson | its never been like this before |
| 07:04.37 | deprecated | Well, be time for me. See you in BZ some time, I'm madtux. |
| 07:04.51 | deprecated | be = bed |
| 07:04.55 | daniel_jackson | cool mine is my name |
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| 07:05.25 | daniel_jackson | cu then |
| 07:05.26 | deprecated | madtux was already registered here. |
| 07:05.32 | deprecated | nite |
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| 07:13.28 | daniel_jackson | any one else here alive, besides for deprecated? lol |
| 07:16.20 | daniel_jackson | well the list server still seems to be down |
| 07:28.51 | daniel_jackson | 46 people in the room and none are chatting |
| 07:29.22 | daniel_jackson | especially when the list server and global login server are down |
| 07:38.48 | Manu | is it down? |
| 07:38.57 | daniel_jackson | yes |
| 07:39.06 | daniel_jackson | you can ping it though |
| 07:39.18 | Manu | wait.. I'll restart it |
| 07:39.29 | daniel_jackson | ok thank you |
| 07:41.17 | Manu | now is up again |
| 07:41.27 | daniel_jackson | ok let me give it a try |
| 07:42.04 | daniel_jackson | it seems to be backup on my end |
| 07:43.15 | daniel_jackson | well I'm off! |
| 07:43.20 | daniel_jackson | thank you manu |
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| 07:43.27 | Manu | :) |
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| 08:29.23 | daniel_jackson | manu you still here? |
| 08:29.59 | daniel_jackson | somebody needs to tell "a meteorite" to restart boxywar |
| 08:43.09 | Manu | daniel_jackson: yes I'm here |
| 08:44.00 | Manu | he is not connected, you can pm him in bzbb |
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| 11:26.18 | Gilly | arr :/ can bzflag have the shot lifetime hard coded to equal reload time? |
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| 13:43.11 | blast007 | Gilly: isn't it already, by default? |
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| 14:19.08 | Thumper_ | m.b.o seems to be down again |
| 14:20.08 | quantumdot | it is |
| 14:20.18 | quantumdot | ~bzflist |
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| 14:20.56 | Mr_Molez | ~bzflist |
| 14:21.05 | quantumdot | it is down Mr_Molez |
| 14:21.36 | Mr_Molez | ah thought so ducati league page wouldn't show up |
| 14:22.42 | Thumper_ | Manu: ping |
| 14:22.51 | Manu | Thumper_: pong |
| 14:22.58 | Thumper_ | any chance you can restart apache on bzflag.bz? |
| 14:23.06 | Mr_Molez | |zongo|: are you around :P im not sure what time you play would be nice to do our 1vs1 matches |
| 14:23.08 | Manu | wait... |
| 14:24.14 | Manu | Thumper_: working again |
| 14:24.35 | Thumper_ | Manu: thx |
| 14:25.21 | Manu | ~bzflist |
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| 14:35.30 | brlcad | Thumper_ | quantumdot | whoever: apologies on apache going down.. something's obviously wrong in the new blocking script |
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| 14:48.56 | findlay | ~bzfrag apache |
| 14:48.58 | ibot | ACTION kills apache with a shot from his BZTank |
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| 15:33.44 | CBG | for the second day running on bzbb 'No topics or posts met your search criteria'. |
| 15:34.27 | gsnedders | brlcad: ping |
| 15:34.39 | [dmp] | post a "i'm back" - that is always interesting :) |
| 15:35.01 | CBG | Anyone else have the same problem? I doubt there really have been NO posts in 2 days... |
| 15:35.06 | CBG | [dmp]: hah.... :P |
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| 15:43.42 | Gilly | blast007: heh, that was sarcasm... it really shouldn't have |
| 15:44.10 | Gilly | i mean - i want to set up 1 shot ducati like server with 1.8 sec reload time but still maintain the long shot length |
| 15:44.48 | Erroneous | Gilly: for technical reasons, you can't do that (without changing shot speed) |
| 15:45.08 | Gilly | what are the technical reasons? |
| 15:45.17 | Gilly | is it just that no-one hasn't bothered to code a variable or? |
| 15:45.33 | Gilly | or something deeper |
| 15:45.36 | Erroneous | the shot count is used to create an array that determines how many shots can be on the field at once from any particular player |
| 15:45.59 | Erroneous | if another shot is created before the previous one is destroyed, it overwrites it, destroying the earlier shot |
| 15:46.11 | Gilly | oh |
| 15:46.11 | a_meteorite | O_o |
| 15:46.28 | Erroneous | it's, um, not really the best design |
| 15:46.33 | Gilly | :) |
| 15:46.37 | Erroneous | but it is a pretty deep design problem |
| 15:46.44 | Gilly | uhoh |
| 15:46.59 | Gilly | should be dealed with, anyways, i think |
| 15:47.08 | Erroneous | there are hundreds of places in the code that depend on that behavior |
| 15:47.16 | Gilly | i see |
| 15:47.17 | Erroneous | it hasn't really been a priority to fix |
| 15:47.31 | Gilly | :/ well - no sense for 1 shot ducati then |
| 15:47.37 | Erroneous | and it's both difficult and tedious |
| 15:47.41 | Gilly | the shot length becomes way too short |
| 15:49.23 | Erroneous | yup. shot length, reload time, and shot speed don't sound like they should be related, but they are :) |
| 15:49.31 | blast007 | the design worked fine in 1.7 ;) |
| 15:49.48 | Erroneous | blast007: yeah, where you couldn't change two of those three variables :P |
| 15:49.49 | Gilly | well - actually by shot length i mean shot lifetime but what ever |
| 15:49.54 | blast007 | exactly! |
| 15:50.01 | Erroneous | Gilly: they are the same thing |
| 15:50.12 | Erroneous | once a shot has gone a certain length it expires and dies |
| 15:50.12 | blast007 | we should get rid of those pesky vars :) |
| 15:50.13 | Gilly | well - not quite, if we look at specials like laser |
| 15:50.24 | Erroneous | laser is different :) |
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| 15:50.59 | Erroneous | so is quick shot, and probably at least one other |
| 15:51.12 | Erroneous | but it's all interrelated in a nice messy sort of way |
| 15:51.19 | Gilly | would the protocol have to be changed if one wanted to make a fix to this? |
| 15:51.24 | Erroneous | ohh yeah |
| 15:51.36 | Gilly | urf |
| 15:52.00 | Chestal | if you decouple #"magazine shots" from #"flying shots", you have to make some changes |
| 15:52.02 | RatOmeter | Mmmm, what needs fixin? |
| 15:52.25 | Gilly | shot length shouldn't be related to reload time |
| 15:52.33 | blast007 | at the same time, we would make the shot count adjustable while playing |
| 15:52.39 | Chestal | when you say -ms 2 that now means that you have 2 shots in "magazine", but also means that no more than 2 of your shots can be flying around |
| 15:52.53 | Gilly | yes |
| 15:52.55 | Erroneous | Gilly: you have n shots. when one reloads, it destroys that shot on the field and sucks it back into your tank :) |
| 15:53.00 | RatOmeter | ah |
| 15:53.04 | Chestal | when you decouple them, you can potentially generate an infinite number of flying shots |
| 15:53.10 | Erroneous | which is fun! |
| 15:53.11 | Gilly | yup |
| 15:53.14 | Gilly | :) |
| 15:53.47 | Gilly | but there will be no new way to cheat if you make the server make its checks |
| 15:53.54 | Erroneous | world weapons become a lot less of a hack with separate "flying" shots too |
| 15:54.14 | Gilly | :D |
| 15:54.34 | Gilly | why 65535? why not 2^inf-1? :P |
| 15:54.46 | blast007 | hehe |
| 15:55.05 | Erroneous | Gilly: 'cause then we'd have to send an inf-size packet over the network ;) |
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| 15:56.09 | amcnabb | Hi, Erroneous |
| 15:56.13 | amcnabb | How's it going? |
| 15:56.19 | Erroneous | 'tis going well |
| 15:56.42 | amcnabb | Since JeffM2501 isn't on, I take it he still isn't feeling well. |
| 15:56.55 | Erroneous | no, he's just not here yet |
| 15:57.03 | Erroneous | well, actually I don't know |
| 15:57.21 | Erroneous | but as far as I know he should be here |
| 15:57.43 | Erroneous | he usually doesn't get here until between five and thirty-five minutes from now |
| 15:58.04 | amcnabb | ok |
| 15:58.14 | amcnabb | Hopefully he's well again. |
| 15:58.25 | Gilly | Erroneous: this might be a way to solve it: # |
| 15:58.26 | Gilly | # A digital computer in a special kind of spacetime, called a Malament-Hogarth spacetime, can perform an infinite number of operations while remaining in the past light cone of a particular spacetime event. |
| 15:58.36 | Gilly | (from wikipedia, Hypercomputer) |
| 15:58.59 | Erroneous | when you build one, let me know, I'll be interested in buying one :) |
| 15:59.08 | Gilly | :) |
| 15:59.32 | Gilly | i'm not sure if you can afford it |
| 15:59.56 | Erroneous | hell, if you figure out a way to create an MH spacetime, let me know :) |
| 16:00.20 | Gilly | heh |
| 16:07.59 | Erroneous | on some of our clients, O and 0 look nothing alike :) |
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| 16:33.42 | JeffM2501 | brlcad, know the username that said they were banned? |
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| 17:02.38 | JeffM2501 | what is the next mask after 0x0200 ? |
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| 17:04.06 | Gilly | next mask? 0x0400? |
| 17:04.46 | JeffM2501 | yeah, thanks |
| 17:04.51 | Gilly | like binary mask with only one bit in 'one-state' |
| 17:04.54 | JeffM2501 | tho looks like we have 0x004 avialalble too |
| 17:04.55 | JeffM2501 | yeah |
| 17:04.56 | JeffM2501 | you got it |
| 17:05.29 | Gilly | best way to memorize those is that each hex digit is a group of 4 bits |
| 17:08.03 | Gilly | f = 1111, e= 1110, d= 1101, c= 1100, b= 1011, a= 1010, 9= 1001, 8=1000 (notice), 7= 0111, 6= 0110, 5= 0101, 4= 0100 (notice), 3= 0011, 2= 0010 (notice), 1= 0001 (notice), 0= 0000 |
| 17:08.03 | Gilly | so 0xdc = 11011100 |
| 17:08.03 | Erroneous | or remember that 8+4+2+1=15, so solo bit masks are 0x1, 0x2, 0x4, 0x8, 0x10, 0x20, 0x40, 0x80, and so on |
| 17:08.04 | JeffM2501 | or I'll just ask :) |
| 17:08.29 | JeffM2501 | bahh, I can't remember how to get the world from the local player |
| 17:09.17 | brlcad | JeffM2501: i only know what you saw |
| 17:09.20 | JeffM2501 | have to wait for gary to check in, may as well do a simple BZ feature |
| 17:09.27 | JeffM2501 | brlcad, ok, I've sent them a mail back |
| 17:09.41 | brlcad | i figured you might know if it was recent, but I had no idea |
| 17:09.42 | JeffM2501 | I did a big ban yesterday, may have to remove it, or poke some holes in it |
| 17:09.50 | JeffM2501 | yeah did a class B |
| 17:09.55 | brlcad | heh |
| 17:10.00 | brlcad | ohh |
| 17:10.18 | brlcad | i found a pretty sweet spambot "plugin" of sorts |
| 17:10.43 | JeffM2501 | for making them or geting rid of them? |
| 17:10.48 | brlcad | purports to practically eliminate the problem by adding in a line to all the php files |
| 17:10.51 | JeffM2501 | the class B ban wasn't for spambots |
| 17:10.54 | JeffM2501 | it was for a player |
| 17:10.58 | brlcad | ah |
| 17:11.11 | brlcad | this would be to prevent the spam postings |
| 17:11.17 | JeffM2501 | hook it up |
| 17:11.27 | Erroneous | JeffM2501: you don't get the world from a local player |
| 17:11.36 | JeffM2501 | World::GetWorld() |
| 17:11.37 | Erroneous | World::getWorld() is static |
| 17:11.39 | Erroneous | yeah |
| 17:11.39 | JeffM2501 | yeah |
| 17:11.47 | JeffM2501 | I just meant "from" in there :) |
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| 17:11.54 | JeffM2501 | added a game option |
| 17:11.59 | JeffM2501 | need to get it in checkHit |
| 17:12.13 | a_meteorite | what sort of game option? |
| 17:12.19 | JeffM2501 | noTeamKills |
| 17:12.23 | a_meteorite | sweet |
| 17:12.42 | JeffM2501 | had been meaning to do it, but coulnd't till 2.1, just remembered now due to a forum post. |
| 17:12.57 | a_meteorite | :) |
| 17:14.21 | brlcad | here it is: http://www.homelandstupidity.us/software/bad-behavior/ |
| 17:14.44 | JeffM2501 | if you like it, I say apply it |
| 17:14.52 | JeffM2501 | or con blast007 into doing it :) |
| 17:15.01 | brlcad | i like the idea, just have to give it a try |
| 17:15.23 | brlcad | i was going to see how what it's like to set up (or get one of the others to try it) |
| 17:15.47 | brlcad | but the concept is pretty nifty given how frequent the spammages leak in |
| 17:15.54 | Erroneous | sounds rather resource-intensive |
| 17:16.07 | Erroneous | comparing entire browsing habits |
| 17:19.04 | SportChick | that looks cool, brlcad |
| 17:19.47 | JeffM2501 | Erroneous, serverMenu.cxx is the list of servers right? |
| 17:20.09 | Erroneous | kinda |
| 17:20.22 | Erroneous | it's split across three files |
| 17:20.30 | JeffM2501 | I just need where it shows the game options |
| 17:20.34 | Erroneous | serverMenu is the display portion |
| 17:20.43 | a_meteorite | ahhh, Erroneous is DTR |
| 17:20.43 | Erroneous | so yeah |
| 17:20.49 | JeffM2501 | at work |
| 17:20.52 | a_meteorite | I was wondering why you knew so much :) |
| 17:20.55 | Erroneous | a_meteorite: bit slow on the pickup eh :) |
| 17:21.06 | a_meteorite | Erroneous: heh, I finally was wondering who you could be |
| 17:21.13 | SportChick | hehe |
| 17:21.13 | Erroneous | a_meteorite: there's this really great feature on IRC, /whois :) |
| 17:21.16 | JeffM2501 | I mean I could just go over and ask him, but then people would know I'm not workin :) |
| 17:21.28 | a_meteorite | I know, that's what I did |
| 17:21.35 | Erroneous | heh |
| 17:21.44 | SportChick | a_meteorite I would think his cloak would have been a dead giveaway ;) |
| 17:21.53 | a_meteorite | :P |
| 17:22.07 | JeffM2501 | ewww hud label arays |
| 17:22.18 | a_meteorite | I get hidden from all the non essential info in my client until I do a whois |
| 17:22.21 | Erroneous | hehe |
| 17:22.41 | JeffM2501 | I may just leave that for you too hook up :) |
| 17:22.53 | Erroneous | that's kinda what I expected :) |
| 17:23.05 | JeffM2501 | as I'd have to shift stuff around |
| 17:23.44 | Erroneous | although fwiw, I think no teamkills would be better suited to bzbb than game mode |
| 17:24.16 | JeffM2501 | I didn't think it woudl make sense to be done on and off |
| 17:24.24 | JeffM2501 | and it should be something they see before they join |
| 17:24.30 | JeffM2501 | as it is a major change to gameplay |
| 17:24.38 | JeffM2501 | for the pray and spray players |
| 17:24.43 | a_meteorite | will bullets go through or bounce off? |
| 17:24.47 | a_meteorite | or just stop? |
| 17:24.48 | JeffM2501 | go thru |
| 17:24.58 | JeffM2501 | they are ignored for the hit calc |
| 17:24.58 | a_meteorite | ah |
| 17:25.03 | JeffM2501 | just like your own shockwave |
| 17:25.19 | *** join/#bzflag Steve14 (n=stephan@p548853DA.dip.t-dialin.net) |
| 17:25.25 | JeffM2501 | Erroneous, well once you hook that up, I'm sure we can move MOST of the game options into bzbb then |
| 17:25.33 | Erroneous | that's the general idea |
| 17:26.05 | Erroneous | basically I'd like unjoined clients to be able to query bzdb |
| 17:26.24 | Erroneous | send in the variable you'd like to know about, get a response with the value |
| 17:26.38 | JeffM2501 | as part of the ping |
| 17:26.41 | JeffM2501 | not a bad thing |
| 17:26.55 | Erroneous | then we could do really fancy server list sorting |
| 17:27.14 | Erroneous | like "list servers with between four and ten shots, with no fog and no rain" |
| 17:27.16 | JeffM2501 | I think at some point we should also allow grouping of bzdb vars, so you can just ask for all "game mode" vars |
| 17:27.40 | Erroneous | yeah, a heirarchy would be cool |
| 17:27.47 | Erroneous | request a whole branch of the tree |
| 17:28.07 | Erroneous | I have ideas on that too, but those aren't so, eh, immediately realizable |
| 17:28.44 | CIA-3 | BZFlag: 03jeffm2501 * 10bzflag/ (6 files in 5 dirs): |
| 17:28.44 | CIA-3 | BZFlag: add new game option -noTeamKills |
| 17:28.44 | CIA-3 | BZFlag: colored teams are immune to there own team shots |
| 17:28.44 | CIA-3 | BZFlag: rogue works as normal. |
| 17:28.44 | CIA-3 | BZFlag: bump proto to 44 |
| 17:29.01 | a_meteorite | and I just updated :D |
| 17:29.46 | JeffM2501 | man, everyone seems to want my money this fall :( |
| 17:30.03 | Erroneous | heh |
| 17:30.13 | Erroneous | who is everyone? :) |
| 17:30.14 | a_meteorite | also, I can't get any servers on the list with latest anon cvs |
| 17:30.17 | CBG | Not me! |
| 17:30.29 | JeffM2501 | software companies |
| 17:30.36 | CBG | I'll take all your stocks and shares though... |
| 17:30.38 | Erroneous | a_meteorite: no servers are running |
| 17:30.42 | JeffM2501 | a_meteorite, proto changed |
| 17:30.43 | a_meteorite | Erroneous: ah no wonder |
| 17:30.47 | JeffM2501 | servers didn't update |
| 17:30.59 | JeffM2501 | it changed twice even |
| 17:31.08 | Erroneous | a_meteorite: bryjen's server should rebuild itself sometime |
| 17:31.10 | Erroneous | mine is down |
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| 17:43.59 | JeffM2501 | anyone remember skevve comin here and talkin about a "teleport" flag? |
| 17:44.13 | a_meteorite | no, but I've been gone lately |
| 17:45.26 | ts | JeffM2501: Is there an indicator for the people whether "friendly fire" is on or off? |
| 17:45.33 | JeffM2501 | not yet |
| 17:45.43 | JeffM2501 | I want to put one on the server list |
| 17:45.47 | JeffM2501 | like the other game options |
| 17:45.50 | JeffM2501 | but that menu scares me |
| 17:46.06 | ts | the whole menu thing needs to be redone |
| 17:46.10 | JeffM2501 | basicly in the same place as jumping and rico |
| 17:46.37 | JeffM2501 | hmmm... does that mean a SafeShot flag would be added as well |
| 17:46.42 | JeffM2501 | that could be interesting |
| 17:46.58 | ts | JeffM2501: Call it EU please ;) |
| 17:47.01 | JeffM2501 | ? |
| 17:47.13 | ts | There is already a US flag |
| 17:47.24 | ts | I want a conterpart |
| 17:47.44 | JeffM2501 | how do you get "safe shot" out of EU? |
| 17:47.57 | ts | no idea :/ |
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| 17:48.30 | ts | no good abbreviation but..EU contries have a non-attack agreement between them |
| 17:48.44 | JeffM2501 | what does a country have to do with bzflag flags? |
| 17:48.59 | ts | Err, I would just find it funny |
| 17:48.59 | JeffM2501 | bzflag is not a place for political comentary |
| 17:49.14 | JeffM2501 | then make your own tranlation file that renames all the flags ;) |
| 17:50.01 | ts | Heh, evidently I'm already doing that |
| 17:50.02 | *** join/#bzflag K (n=romeo@bas10-ottawa23-1088819578.dsl.bell.ca) |
| 17:50.33 | K\sd | hmm |
| 17:50.33 | JeffM2501 | a flag that prevented a team kill could be an advantage on a regular server |
| 17:50.37 | ts | as I'm redoing one translation |
| 17:50.40 | JeffM2501 | as you could spary and pray |
| 17:50.57 | K\sd | has BzFire been around? |
| 17:51.01 | ts | Well, difficult |
| 17:51.17 | JeffM2501 | Erroneous, that's harder, as the state isn't synced between everyone |
| 17:51.22 | K\sd | .seen bzfire |
| 17:51.22 | Erroneous | yeah, I know |
| 17:51.26 | JeffM2501 | so the shot strat would be off |
| 17:51.26 | ts | You need something as indicator teamies don't have to dodge the bullets |
| 17:51.35 | K\sd | !seen bzfire |
| 17:51.37 | K\sd | :/ |
| 17:51.48 | ts | I would prefer preventing the radar to render the bullets that can not kill |
| 17:51.50 | JeffM2501 | ts, we don't have an indicator for when jumping or rico is on |
| 17:52.04 | JeffM2501 | you want a game options panel on the hud? |
| 17:52.10 | JeffM2501 | may not be a bad thing |
| 17:52.32 | JeffM2501 | for all of them |
| 17:52.32 | Erroneous | ssh, I'm getting there |
| 17:52.32 | Erroneous | :) |
| 17:52.32 | JeffM2501 | heh |
| 17:52.32 | Gilly | i'd like to see that decoupling of shots in magazine and shots on field we discussed earlier today :) |
| 17:52.32 | JeffM2501 | Gilly, that won't happen |
| 17:52.34 | ts | JeffM2501: In case of jumping you put tab, rico can be determined by just shooting at a wall. |
| 17:52.35 | JeffM2501 | it's like that for a reason |
| 17:52.51 | ts | Friendly fire would be shooting straight at a teamie |
| 17:52.51 | JeffM2501 | ts, so shoot a teammate, see what happens :) |
| 17:53.02 | ts | That is evil.. |
| 17:53.11 | Erroneous | JeffM2501: there's no solid reason to do it like that, if we were redesigning from scratch, is there? |
| 17:53.12 | JeffM2501 | I'd be ok with a visual indicatior, but I'd do it for all the options, not just fire |
| 17:53.14 | Gilly | it declines the possibility to make 1.8s reload time one shot ducati like server :/ |
| 17:53.19 | ts | Imagine one comes, tests whether FF is on, then leaves |
| 17:53.40 | Erroneous | ts: that problem will not exist in 2.1 |
| 17:53.41 | JeffM2501 | ts, same can happen with your rico test |
| 17:54.00 | JeffM2501 | wow |
| 17:54.10 | Erroneous | but it's busted |
| 17:54.13 | Erroneous | need to fix it |
| 17:54.14 | ts | JeffM2501: Shooting at a wall is not necessarily equal to killing a mate |
| 17:54.18 | JeffM2501 | yeah if you have some visual indicatior for your current options |
| 17:54.27 | JeffM2501 | ts, that shot could hit a teammate |
| 17:54.29 | JeffM2501 | but I agree with you |
| 17:54.30 | Erroneous | ts, like I said, that will not be a problem. you will know without needing to test it |
| 17:54.34 | JeffM2501 | so you can stop :) |
| 17:54.47 | JeffM2501 | yeah if he's redoing the hud he can add all that |
| 17:55.02 | ts | Who is he? |
| 17:55.06 | JeffM2501 | Erroneous, |
| 17:55.13 | JeffM2501 | that guy who keeps talking |
| 17:55.15 | ts | ah, not someone(tm) ;) |
| 17:55.17 | JeffM2501 | saying that he's got it |
| 17:55.37 | JeffM2501 | oh you just mean the server menu thing? |
| 17:55.41 | Erroneous | no |
| 17:55.51 | *** join/#bzflag Steve14 (n=stephan@p548853DA.dip.t-dialin.net) |
| 17:55.52 | JeffM2501 | then what the hell you talkin about? |
| 17:55.53 | Erroneous | server rules displayed on join |
| 17:55.57 | JeffM2501 | ahh ok |
| 17:56.17 | JeffM2501 | well still hud markers that show your current flag, and any inate abilitys would be nice |
| 17:56.23 | JeffM2501 | like above the radar |
| 17:56.27 | Erroneous | oh yeah, that'd be nice |
| 17:56.36 | JeffM2501 | little jumping, rico, safe lights |
| 17:56.39 | Erroneous | I'd like to have like a row of lights |
| 17:56.41 | Erroneous | yeah |
| 17:56.42 | JeffM2501 | anything else? |
| 17:56.47 | Erroneous | but I'm not gonna do that right away :) |
| 17:56.52 | Erroneous | got other things to finish first |
| 17:56.54 | JeffM2501 | I can maybe do that |
| 17:57.10 | JeffM2501 | just jumping, rico, and safeshot? |
| 17:57.12 | JeffM2501 | any others? |
| 17:57.34 | Erroneous | enemy carrying flag |
| 17:57.38 | JeffM2501 | k |
| 17:57.59 | JeffM2501 | how bout a "you suck" light? ;) |
| 17:58.04 | Erroneous | heh |
| 17:58.14 | Erroneous | oil pressure |
| 17:58.21 | JeffM2501 | check engine |
| 17:58.29 | JeffM2501 | door ajar |
| 17:58.30 | ts | lol |
| 17:58.31 | Erroneous | fuel |
| 17:58.34 | Erroneous | seatbelt |
| 17:59.01 | Gilly | drunk-o-matic safety lock for starting up the engine |
| 17:59.18 | Erroneous | JeffM2501: in my cute little ideal world, the jumping light would have a number over it for the number of jumps you had remaining |
| 17:59.24 | Erroneous | for wings, etc |
| 17:59.36 | Erroneous | especially now that we have a wings game state |
| 17:59.37 | JeffM2501 | or inside it |
| 17:59.37 | ts | Gilly: heh, we would just need to get some autopilot code from the leagues |
| 17:59.41 | Erroneous | yeah |
| 17:59.44 | Erroneous | over like >z |
| 17:59.48 | Erroneous | not like >y |
| 17:59.52 | ts | then extend it a little |
| 17:59.55 | Gilly | ts: :) |
| 17:59.57 | JeffM2501 | ok |
| 18:00.16 | Erroneous | but that's my ideal little world, and it might not agree with anyone else |
| 18:00.19 | ts | really some of the league players are mostly driving as bot |
| 18:00.20 | JeffM2501 | then it reasons that may as well just have a general flag use light count as well |
| 18:00.32 | Erroneous | yeah, shot limit counter |
| 18:00.38 | Gilly | ts: what do you mean? |
| 18:00.40 | Erroneous | light it up if you have a shot limited flag |
| 18:00.42 | JeffM2501 | is it always shot limit? |
| 18:00.50 | Erroneous | as far as I know |
| 18:00.52 | JeffM2501 | and show the remaining |
| 18:00.55 | Erroneous | yeah |
| 18:00.58 | JeffM2501 | k |
| 18:01.12 | JeffM2501 | I'll call it the status bar :) |
| 18:01.15 | Erroneous | yay |
| 18:01.30 | JeffM2501 | I shall name him squishy and he will be mine |
| 18:01.35 | ts | Gilly: Their bot code is pretty smart |
| 18:01.38 | Gilly | ts: you mean like they have 'enhancements'? |
| 18:02.16 | JeffM2501 | I'll see if I can work on that tongiht, after I finish coloring a comic |
| 18:02.35 | Gilly | ts: probably some really are some sort of cyborgs |
| 18:03.35 | Erroneous | and maybe remote bzdb query |
| 18:07.43 | JeffM2501 | yay for free lunch |
| 18:08.08 | JeffM2501 | boo for keith quiting |
| 18:08.18 | Erroneous | ditto on both those |
| 18:08.35 | JeffM2501 | tho that may mean you'll get some of his job, so yay for that |
| 18:08.50 | Erroneous | that'd be cool |
| 18:08.57 | Erroneous | although it's not like I am short on things to do :) |
| 18:08.59 | ts | Gilly: Not "probably", there is evidence |
| 18:09.06 | JeffM2501 | true |
| 18:09.11 | Gilly | ts: uhoh |
| 18:09.21 | Gilly | that's sad :/ |
| 18:11.25 | ts | Gilly: It is not considered as cheat |
| 18:11.37 | Gilly | o_0 |
| 18:11.40 | Gilly | why not? |
| 18:12.05 | Gilly | you mean i can put as much wicked logic into my client as i wish and no-one will ban me? |
| 18:12.18 | Gilly | a little bit of math and no-one can hit me anymore :D |
| 18:12.22 | JeffM2501 | if it's for a bot, yes |
| 18:12.28 | JeffM2501 | for you, not so much |
| 18:12.44 | Gilly | "not so much"? |
| 18:12.57 | JeffM2501 | that somone would not ban you |
| 18:13.06 | Gilly | :P |
| 18:13.10 | JeffM2501 | it's also up to each server to determeine what they ban for |
| 18:13.16 | Gilly | yea of course |
| 18:13.27 | Gilly | but generally almost all follow the same guidelines, i'd guess |
| 18:13.48 | ts | Gilly: Do you remember secretplace? |
| 18:13.56 | Gilly | ts: hum yes |
| 18:14.04 | Gilly | didn't play very much there though |
| 18:14.08 | ts | They banned for slightest language.. |
| 18:14.26 | ts | I did, too there because the owner wished it that way |
| 18:15.10 | Gilly | yea - but let's speak about bots/cyborgs |
| 18:15.11 | SportChick | yep |
| 18:15.40 | Gilly | i mean - i would guess it wouldn't be hard to make a half-bot that makes perfect ducati dodges on ground |
| 18:15.55 | Gilly | of course at some point it will become impossible, but then you can jump |
| 18:16.04 | Gilly | if it's jumpy server |
| 18:16.22 | Gilly | also coordinating a jump could be botted |
| 18:16.28 | ts | you can do that |
| 18:16.42 | Gilly | it's not fun if those are legal |
| 18:18.52 | brlcad | howdy gilly |
| 18:19.30 | Gilly | howdy, a match coming, away from irc |
| 18:21.28 | JeffM2501 | Anyone know the player "NUKE_EM"? and if so is it yet another alias for "YOUR_DEAD" ? |
| 18:22.11 | L4m3r | insult him and see if he goes ballistic on you ;) |
| 18:22.16 | JeffM2501 | heh |
| 18:22.30 | Erroneous | he keeps registering? |
| 18:22.38 | JeffM2501 | don't know |
| 18:22.39 | Erroneous | you been banning his email addresses? |
| 18:22.43 | JeffM2501 | yeah |
| 18:22.46 | JeffM2501 | he gets new ones |
| 18:22.53 | JeffM2501 | but yesterday I baned his class B |
| 18:22.54 | Erroneous | birdie mentioned something about him reregistering to me earlier |
| 18:22.56 | JeffM2501 | so we got an e-mail |
| 18:23.02 | Erroneous | woo, class b ban |
| 18:23.03 | JeffM2501 | saying "hey I got banned" |
| 18:23.07 | L4m3r | YD got masterbanned or what |
| 18:23.09 | L4m3r | ? |
| 18:23.21 | Erroneous | no, although he might if he keeps this up |
| 18:23.25 | JeffM2501 | and the username came back "NUKE_EM" when I asked, and that sounds a LOT like YD name |
| 18:23.45 | Erroneous | L4m3r: he's a COPPA without parent permission, we can't store data on him |
| 18:23.51 | L4m3r | Ah. |
| 18:24.01 | *** join/#bzflag Noodleman (n=tuckerm@74.137.182.66) |
| 18:24.15 | L4m3r | well jeeze, tell him to fill out the stupid form |
| 18:24.38 | Erroneous | I am sure he has been told |
| 18:25.19 | L4m3r | I wonder what his excuse is |
| 18:25.40 | L4m3r | 'cuz if he says his parents don't want him on the forums, you can just ban him ^_^ |
| 18:25.58 | Erroneous | we have banned him, weren't you listening? |
| 18:26.19 | L4m3r | I meant masterban, but ok |
| 18:26.28 | JeffM2501 | he has not been masterbaned |
| 18:26.41 | JeffM2501 | that would be a much larger step, as masterbaning a class B is bad JuJU |
| 18:26.50 | Erroneous | yup |
| 18:26.51 | L4m3r | eek, that's true |
| 18:27.11 | JeffM2501 | for the last time COPPA has nothing to do with parents giving kids pemison to go online |
| 18:27.16 | JeffM2501 | it's giving US permsions to store data |
| 18:27.25 | L4m3r | of course |
| 18:27.31 | JeffM2501 | but mostly he's an ass |
| 18:27.34 | Erroneous | heh |
| 18:27.41 | L4m3r | yeah, but that goes without saying |
| 18:27.43 | JeffM2501 | so he'll stay banned after he's 13 |
| 18:27.54 | Erroneous | could always do what, who was it, texas? did...send snail mail to his parents |
| 18:28.06 | Erroneous | "please discipline your child" |
| 18:28.11 | L4m3r | hahaha |
| 18:29.20 | JeffM2501 | who was the idiot who ran a webserver from the client he was cheating from and nid got his resume? |
| 18:29.49 | L4m3r | LOL |
| 18:29.57 | L4m3r | that is golden |
| 18:30.15 | JeffM2501 | had his address and everything |
| 18:30.23 | L4m3r | ack, gotta run... hahahaha |
| 18:30.41 | JeffM2501 | *sigh* somone needs to teach skeeve about the term "context" |
| 18:31.31 | SportChick | i remember that JeffM2501 |
| 18:32.25 | SportChick | in one instance we CALLED the parents |
| 18:32.34 | JeffM2501 | cool |
| 18:32.58 | JeffM2501 | "Seriously lady.. is your son stupid?" |
| 18:33.39 | SportChick | well the fact that he was causing soooooo many problems.... |
| 18:34.20 | *** join/#bzflag tannerld (n=tanner@adsl-068-209-251-067.sip.asm.bellsouth.net) |
| 18:34.23 | JeffM2501 | I tell ya, all we need to do is require a 1$ charge to register |
| 18:34.31 | JeffM2501 | via paypall or credit card :) |
| 18:34.40 | JeffM2501 | then we return it after 1 month :) |
| 18:35.02 | JeffM2501 | clean that playerbase right up |
| 18:35.12 | SportChick | hehehe |
| 18:35.19 | brlcad | :) |
| 18:38.53 | JeffM2501 | and don't forget my 5$ a month "perfered comunity member" plan :) |
| 18:39.58 | SportChick | i remember :) |
| 18:40.20 | JeffM2501 | order now and get a free chia-tank |
| 18:40.41 | Erroneous | ooh, chia-tank |
| 18:40.46 | Erroneous | I would so sign up for a chia-tank |
| 18:41.16 | gsnedders | ~seen brlcad |
| 18:41.33 | ibot | brlcad is currently on #bzflag (6d 3h 23m 30s) #brlcad (6d 3h 23m 30s). Has said a total of 252 messages. Is idling for 6m 14s, last said: ':)'. |
| 18:41.34 | SportChick | lol...chia tank |
| 18:41.58 | SportChick | funniest chia i ever saw was a Jerry Garcia chia :) |
| 18:42.12 | JeffM2501 | if we had a real CNC here, I'd totaly make alumimum desk tanks |
| 18:42.14 | gsnedders | brlcad: about the fora… |
| 18:42.40 | *** join/#bzflag amcnabb (n=amcnabb@c-24-10-162-63.hsd1.ut.comcast.net) |
| 18:42.52 | JeffM2501 | since I may just kinda happen to have the tank as a vnc file |
| 18:43.06 | gsnedders | brlcad: you have the time to set it up now? |
| 18:58.34 | amcnabb | brlcad and JeffM2501, we would like to add "hoverbot" support (for tanks only) and I was wondering if either of you had objections. |
| 18:58.49 | amcnabb | One of our professors prefers doing x-accel and y-accel. |
| 18:58.54 | amcnabb | (for robot control) |
| 18:58.58 | JeffM2501 | what do you mean? |
| 18:59.14 | JeffM2501 | would it make tanks move difrently then they do now? |
| 18:59.16 | Erroneous | strafing with momentum |
| 18:59.18 | JeffM2501 | like sidestep? |
| 18:59.21 | amcnabb | pretty much |
| 18:59.28 | JeffM2501 | that should not go into bzflag |
| 18:59.39 | Erroneous | strafing is not allowed for human players, by TimRiker decree |
| 18:59.49 | JeffM2501 | so it shoudl not be allowed for bots ether |
| 18:59.51 | amcnabb | How about if there's a server-side config option to allow bots to do it? |
| 18:59.55 | JeffM2501 | no |
| 19:00.01 | JeffM2501 | it is not part of the bzflag game |
| 19:00.10 | JeffM2501 | same as turret rotations |
| 19:00.22 | JeffM2501 | it would require new controlls |
| 19:00.24 | JeffM2501 | more controlls |
| 19:00.29 | JeffM2501 | it's a large change |
| 19:00.47 | Erroneous | amcnabb: the server doesn't actually care if you strafe, aside from cheat detection |
| 19:01.01 | JeffM2501 | it's a gameplay descision |
| 19:01.06 | JeffM2501 | not realy a techincal one |
| 19:01.13 | amcnabb | Yeah. I guess we'll have to leave it as a patch. |
| 19:01.24 | JeffM2501 | or make a fork that has it |
| 19:01.27 | JeffM2501 | that's what I did |
| 19:01.37 | amcnabb | We only want bots to be able to do it. |
| 19:01.38 | Erroneous | yeah, I told him Zero had it |
| 19:01.46 | amcnabb | It's just for educational purposes. |
| 19:02.01 | JeffM2501 | then make an educational branch for that |
| 19:02.09 | JeffM2501 | it's fine for your stuff, just not in the base game |
| 19:02.15 | amcnabb | I know what you mean. |
| 19:02.19 | JeffM2501 | time for food |
| 19:02.29 | amcnabb | But it would be goofy to fork a project for one patch. |
| 19:02.29 | Erroneous | it would end up inviting cheats, sadly |
| 19:02.42 | JeffM2501 | and changing the game greatly |
| 19:02.52 | JeffM2501 | bots should only be able to do what humans do, in the real game |
| 19:03.01 | amcnabb | That makes sense. |
| 19:03.25 | JeffM2501 | I mean I want to take out flags, but I can't ;) |
| 19:03.40 | amcnabb | You can turn off flags on the server, though. |
| 19:03.41 | Erroneous | why not? :) |
| 19:04.08 | Erroneous | there are just certain flags you can't, afaik :) |
| 19:06.26 | Erroneous | mmm...lunch |
| 19:10.22 | brlcad | gsnedders: be with ya in a minute, working on apache |
| 19:10.25 | SportChick | ~steal Erroneous's lunch |
| 19:10.26 | ibot | ACTION grabs Erroneous's lunch and gives it to sportchick |
| 19:10.41 | brlcad | which brings me to the next notice, in case folks notice the list server going up and down and up and down |
| 19:10.55 | brlcad | testing a script that ensures that apache is functioning correctly |
| 19:11.09 | brlcad | shouldn't be down for more than a couple seconds at a time |
| 19:13.06 | brlcad | perhaps could add the strafing code as #ifdef'd with default off just to have the code in case there's some need for it in the future |
| 19:13.33 | brlcad | or patch it in on a strafing-branch or somesuch |
| 19:13.38 | brlcad | just so the code is in cvs somewhere |
| 19:15.21 | amcnabb | That might be a possibility. |
| 19:16.29 | brlcad | but yeah, if only the bots can perform the behavior, then it's not really a valid action to perform and shouldn't be enabled to be faithful to the game |
| 19:16.41 | amcnabb | That's a pretty compelling argument. |
| 19:17.04 | brlcad | something like uber fast 90' turns, move forward, and 90' turn back would be more faithful and mimic strafing |
| 19:19.33 | RatOmeter | ah! ah! ah! The list server is down. We're doomed! |
| 19:20.02 | a_meteorite | OH NOEZ! EVERYONE RUN FOR THE HILLS! |
| 19:21.11 | RatOmeter | plus badgerking's map went down just as I was about to get the high score |
| 19:22.01 | RatOmeter | gee, I've been playing for 3 hours. maybe the server was just disgusted with me |
| 19:26.45 | CIA-3 | BZFlag: 03amcnabb * 10bzflag/src/bzrobots/ (6 files): |
| 19:26.45 | CIA-3 | BZFlag: Took out some "hoverbot" hooks from bzrobots code. This will be available |
| 19:26.45 | CIA-3 | BZFlag: as part of a separate patch. |
| 19:29.46 | gsnedders | RatOmeter: you disgust everyone |
| 19:30.05 | RatOmeter | nice to know |
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| 19:39.50 | amcnabb | Has anyone ever diffed two versions of a unified diff? It's pretty trippy. |
| 19:40.43 | blast007 | hehe |
| 19:44.21 | brlcad | heh |
| 19:45.05 | brlcad | welp, 164 lines later, there's now a script in place that should ensure that apache is always running a lot more robustly than what's been running the past two days |
| 19:45.41 | brlcad | it's also a LOT more methodical about shuttting down apache and making sure it's down before starting it back up again |
| 19:47.17 | Erroneous | yay for diffing diffs |
| 19:47.30 | Erroneous | did that for pkgsrc |
| 19:47.35 | Erroneous | it is indeed trippy |
| 19:48.12 | Erroneous | yay robustness |
| 19:48.29 | SportChick | dwin 5 |
| 19:48.46 | brlcad | if someone want's to verify the logic, it's in /etc/sbin/ensure_httpd |
| 19:49.25 | Erroneous | ah, the infamous someone |
| 19:49.48 | JeffM2501 | I think somone went on sabatacale |
| 19:49.56 | JeffM2501 | you'll have to talk to his understudy |
| 19:49.59 | JeffM2501 | Anyone |
| 19:51.03 | brlcad | gsnedders: pingo/pongo |
| 19:51.16 | gsnedders | brlcad: pongo/pingo |
| 19:51.36 | JeffM2501 | you went back like 3 times |
| 19:51.41 | Erroneous | yeah |
| 19:51.49 | Erroneous | it was good :) |
| 19:52.12 | JeffM2501 | indeed |
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| 21:36.38 | JeffM2501 | we could make the shaders compute shots :) |
| 21:36.48 | Erroneous | oh yeah |
| 21:37.02 | Erroneous | not like it would hurt performance |
| 21:37.12 | Erroneous | they're just sittin' there unused |
| 21:37.24 | JeffM2501 | use the shaders on a server to do the chat filtering :) |
| 21:37.30 | JeffM2501 | that card would be such a waste with BZ |
| 21:37.57 | Erroneous | yup |
| 21:38.08 | Erroneous | unless you had some of trepan's fancy stuff running |
| 21:38.14 | JeffM2501 | even then |
| 21:38.25 | Erroneous | at very high resolution |
| 21:38.27 | JeffM2501 | the input geometry would not be enough to keep it going |
| 21:38.36 | Erroneous | with complex meshes? |
| 21:38.38 | JeffM2501 | how many shaders can you put on a box |
| 21:38.54 | Erroneous | 128 :) |
| 21:39.20 | Erroneous | very fancy box |
| 21:39.22 | JeffM2501 | with the simpliclty of gameplay and the map limitations ( can drive on flat ) it would limit what you could do as far as input |
| 21:39.45 | Erroneous | true |
| 21:40.01 | Erroneous | could rewrite the sky as shaders...dynamic clouds |
| 21:40.16 | JeffM2501 | and I think other parts of the rendering system would choke when it got that fancy ;_ |
| 21:40.34 | Erroneous | that is true |
| 21:40.58 | JeffM2501 | most of the new features on that card are probably also DX10 only |
| 21:41.16 | Erroneous | yeah |
| 21:41.23 | blast007 | which card is this? :) |
| 21:41.24 | Erroneous | but gl 2.1 should get here sometime |
| 21:41.26 | Erroneous | 8800 |
| 21:41.28 | JeffM2501 | now if we change to an engine that abstracts |
| 21:41.43 | blast007 | hehe, figured it was from the 8 series when I heard DX10 |
| 21:41.47 | Erroneous | heh, we're gonna run into namespace collisions between ati and nvidia pretty soon |
| 21:41.59 | Erroneous | nvidia's gonna need to avoid 8500 this series |
| 21:42.10 | Erroneous | 9-series will have bigger problems |
| 21:42.19 | JeffM2501 | heh |
| 21:42.22 | Erroneous | 9200 9300 9500 9600 9700 and 9800 are all taken |
| 21:42.35 | JeffM2501 | didn't they hit in the 7000's? |
| 21:42.43 | JeffM2501 | ATI made 7x00's |
| 21:42.56 | Erroneous | only 7000 and 7500, and nvidia never numbered anything 7000 or 7500 |
| 21:42.59 | JeffM2501 | ahh |
| 21:43.08 | JeffM2501 | I'm sure they will come up with something new |
| 21:43.09 | Erroneous | 9000 is where it'll get fun |
| 21:43.17 | JeffM2501 | probbly someting other then "ge force" |
| 21:43.33 | Erroneous | didn't they threaten to change the brand and everyone got mad? |
| 21:43.35 | JeffM2501 | and then drop down to the 1000s |
| 21:43.46 | Erroneous | long time ago? |
| 21:43.49 | JeffM2501 | dunno |
| 21:43.52 | Erroneous | like before fx? |
| 21:43.59 | JeffM2501 | FX was a stupid name |
| 21:44.01 | Erroneous | they were gonna call the fx something not geforce iirc |
| 21:44.11 | Erroneous | put the geforce back on it because people complained |
| 21:44.42 | JeffM2501 | I"m betting the next major line will have some sort of integrated physics processors, so they can justify a new title |
| 21:44.48 | Erroneous | this one will |
| 21:44.55 | JeffM2501 | as shaders right? |
| 21:45.10 | Erroneous | 8800 has the "quantum physics engine" |
| 21:45.15 | Erroneous | yeah, well it's all shaders |
| 21:45.23 | Erroneous | shaders are just parallel processing units |
| 21:45.31 | JeffM2501 | I'm thinking dedicated physics unit |
| 21:45.38 | Erroneous | hell, your cpu has shaders on it if you think that way :) |
| 21:45.47 | Erroneous | SSE/SSE2 is all just shaders |
| 21:45.51 | Erroneous | vector processors |
| 21:45.53 | JeffM2501 | shaders have wierd limits IIRC |
| 21:46.10 | Erroneous | sm3 doesn't have anything too excessively wierd |
| 21:46.21 | JeffM2501 | k |
| 21:46.22 | Erroneous | or rather, gl2 doesn't |
| 21:46.38 | Erroneous | directx still has some arbitrary limitations I think |
| 21:46.53 | JeffM2501 | I just recall them having limits on numbers of instructions, etc.. |
| 21:47.07 | Erroneous | yeah, those are gone |
| 21:47.23 | Erroneous | they can read them out of the video memory now, instead of needing to pack it all in registers |
| 21:47.40 | Erroneous | they really are independent processing units |
| 21:48.14 | Erroneous | folding@home is using the latest ati stuff now, to run basically a stock gromacs core |
| 21:51.04 | JeffM2501 | maybe they will do like GeForece Z 1000 |
| 21:51.14 | JeffM2501 | GTX |
| 21:51.30 | JeffM2501 | denali edition |
| 21:51.30 | Erroneous | hehe |
| 21:51.46 | JeffM2501 | partnered with a honda Generator |
| 21:51.51 | Erroneous | UltimateCardOfDoom 4500 |
| 21:51.59 | Erroneous | oops, can't use Doom (r) |
| 21:52.09 | Erroneous | UltimateCardOfDestruction |
| 21:52.16 | JeffM2501 | 8800GTX == 450W per card |
| 21:52.23 | Erroneous | ouch |
| 21:52.42 | JeffM2501 | 1.3 gw PS here I come |
| 21:52.55 | JeffM2501 | 1.3s exist now |
| 21:53.00 | Erroneous | heh |
| 21:53.10 | Erroneous | wasn't that long ago that 400 was exceptional |
| 21:53.26 | JeffM2501 | I fell less manly knowing I only have a 550 |
| 21:53.34 | JeffM2501 | but it's a quality 550 |
| 21:57.19 | JeffM2501 | so, jump, rico, safe shots, badie has my flag, and shot count.. anything else for the status bar? |
| 22:00.17 | shorty114 | <3 7900 GTO |
| 22:01.03 | Erroneous | JeffM2501: that's all I can think of |
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| 22:10.17 | JeffM2501 | hmmm, does the radar always keep a gutter with the left side of the screen? |
| 22:15.29 | brlcad | hmm |
| 22:15.49 | JeffM2501 | damn |
| 22:15.57 | JeffM2501 | I wanted to put hud markers there |
| 22:16.03 | JeffM2501 | could just overlay them on the radar |
| 22:16.22 | JeffM2501 | tho some games do no radar, don't they? |
| 22:16.43 | brlcad | yep |
| 22:16.51 | JeffM2501 | any ideas? |
| 22:17.04 | JeffM2501 | middle right edge of the screen? |
| 22:17.10 | JeffM2501 | upper right? |
| 22:18.16 | brlcad | what do you mean by hud markers? |
| 22:19.01 | brlcad | upper right is where the team score currently resides |
| 22:19.10 | JeffM2501 | little markers that show if jumping is on for the server, if rico is on for the server, if teamkills are allowed, if somone has your flag, and how many shots left on your current flag |
| 22:19.21 | JeffM2501 | a little status bar for info you may wish to know |
| 22:19.43 | shorty114 | a stripe along the bottom? |
| 22:19.45 | JeffM2501 | could hang it off the box I guess |
| 22:19.55 | JeffM2501 | <PROTECTED> |
| 22:19.59 | shorty114 | yeah in that area |
| 22:20.00 | JeffM2501 | is there always a gutter there too? |
| 22:20.04 | brlcad | nope |
| 22:20.14 | shorty114 | you can turn the gutter off? |
| 22:20.15 | brlcad | the gutter goes away when there's no transparency |
| 22:20.22 | shorty114 | ah |
| 22:20.25 | JeffM2501 | <PROTECTED> |
| 22:20.33 | JeffM2501 | and move the status text down a smidge |
| 22:21.04 | JeffM2501 | and a "service engine soon" light |
| 22:21.11 | JeffM2501 | cus all our tanks were made in japan |
| 22:21.25 | a_meteorite | service engine light? O_O |
| 22:21.48 | brlcad | maybe photoshop up a mockup first before coding it |
| 22:22.02 | shorty114 | ah yes the gutters go with no transparencies |
| 22:22.09 | JeffM2501 | yeah I'm doing the PS work now |
| 22:22.39 | JeffM2501 | that's why I'm lookin for ideas |
| 22:23.26 | brlcad | would seem to me that you'd want the static server stuff (jumping, rico, ffa/ctf, etc) to be separated from the dynamic stuff (flag/shot/weapon statuses, tournament times, etc |
| 22:23.47 | JeffM2501 | yeah that's why I was thinking over by the radar |
| 22:24.09 | brlcad | you mean the dynamic stuff? |
| 22:25.04 | JeffM2501 | well, what I'm thinking about now, is hanging the shot count under the reload markers |
| 22:25.11 | JeffM2501 | as that makes the most sense |
| 22:25.13 | brlcad | for the static stuff, it'd probably do better on a separate overlay like the score details overlay where there'd be a page dedicated to that server and the details about it |
| 22:25.31 | JeffM2501 | well I want it always up, and small |
| 22:25.43 | JeffM2501 | and to at least default to ON |
| 22:25.54 | brlcad | er, why?? |
| 22:26.11 | JeffM2501 | so that when people join a game they know that it's ok to shoot teammates :) |
| 22:26.13 | brlcad | seems a bit superfluous information, tmi almost |
| 22:26.26 | JeffM2501 | I don't think people look at the server info when they join |
| 22:26.28 | brlcad | i don't think that will stop them from doing that |
| 22:26.48 | JeffM2501 | well they can now, and it's ok, if the server is set up with -noTeamKills |
| 22:26.52 | brlcad | they're just as likely not going to look at a little iconic thing either |
| 22:27.16 | JeffM2501 | Erroneous also had the idea of showing how many flaps you have left with wings |
| 22:27.48 | brlcad | now if the targetting box displayed a big red circle with a slash through it (ala cancel sign) in it when looking at a teammate, they might get the idea |
| 22:27.59 | JeffM2501 | yeah, was pondering that too |
| 22:28.08 | JeffM2501 | well just change it's color at least |
| 22:28.17 | JeffM2501 | red for teamies, green or white for badies |
| 22:28.39 | brlcad | red generally means enemy, blue is friendly |
| 22:28.43 | JeffM2501 | there ya go |
| 22:28.49 | JeffM2501 | I figured, red for DON'T |
| 22:29.05 | JeffM2501 | have to ponder |
| 22:29.10 | JeffM2501 | may end up redoing the entire hud |
| 22:29.11 | brlcad | yeah, that's a little tricky |
| 22:29.33 | brlcad | because it usually means that's a "red target", meaning an enemy, not that it's bad to shoot them because they're a teammate |
| 22:29.35 | JeffM2501 | I mean we have to have something people hate in each release right? :) |
| 22:30.14 | brlcad | yet red is indeed the seemingly obvious choice to indicate "don't shoot this" |
| 22:30.46 | JeffM2501 | it may be good enogh to hang the dynamics inline with the shot counter, as that too is dynamic |
| 22:31.08 | brlcad | that's why i was thinking maybe something reddish iconic (like cancel) but not tie it to the targetted tank so much as some indicator on the targetting system itself |
| 22:31.46 | brlcad | but i can't quite visualize what that'd look like myself without some photoshopping |
| 22:31.53 | JeffM2501 | whats the goal of our hud? to be unobtruseve? informative? or simultory? |
| 22:32.36 | brlcad | i think it's a balance of useful info while staying out of the way most of the time |
| 22:32.52 | JeffM2501 | damn is that scoreboard freaking HUGE |
| 22:32.55 | brlcad | too much will very quickly get cluttered and distracting I feel |
| 22:32.59 | JeffM2501 | yeah |
| 22:33.07 | JeffM2501 | the scoreboard gets in the way most of the time for me |
| 22:33.23 | JeffM2501 | hmm wonder if a mode to make it auto fade would be good |
| 22:33.34 | JeffM2501 | hit S, it comes up, then fades out after like 10 seconds |
| 22:33.57 | JeffM2501 | with a transperant background box, like the chat text has |
| 22:34.22 | JeffM2501 | so for you I'd leave it in "togle" mode |
| 22:34.26 | brlcad | it points towards who I'm attacking/hunting, or who I should be paying attention to |
| 22:34.29 | JeffM2501 | where it works and looks as it does now |
| 22:34.50 | JeffM2501 | well what if I give you a onscreen waypoint marker to your hunted foe? |
| 22:35.04 | brlcad | course I have the font turned way down too |
| 22:35.04 | JeffM2501 | or "that guy who has your flag" |
| 22:35.25 | JeffM2501 | waypoint code is done in playground IIRC |
| 22:35.30 | brlcad | it's not just that one feature, it's quite a few |
| 22:35.44 | JeffM2501 | ok, so for you still leave it as toggle :) |
| 22:35.55 | brlcad | i notice joins and departs there more easily than via the console |
| 22:35.58 | JeffM2501 | think others would be ok with an autohide? |
| 22:36.13 | brlcad | the balance of power affects how I play |
| 22:36.41 | brlcad | i dunno |
| 22:36.43 | JeffM2501 | a lot of our text blends to sky as well |
| 22:36.46 | JeffM2501 | that kinda bugs me |
| 22:36.55 | brlcad | in general, I think people want it on or off entirely |
| 22:37.15 | brlcad | it's just as easy to tap s twice if I just want to glance |
| 22:37.31 | a_meteorite | I just tap back and forth myself |
| 22:37.43 | a_meteorite | but sometimes I wish I could get rid of it when I die |
| 22:37.49 | JeffM2501 | from a design standpoint we have a lot of dead space |
| 22:38.15 | JeffM2501 | and it's wierd that we have a background on some text, but not on others |
| 22:38.54 | JeffM2501 | I'll have to hit a busy server and take some screen shots to play with :) |
| 22:42.32 | brlcad | er, though for a game, deadspace can be better than filling that space depending on the circumstance |
| 22:43.09 | brlcad | it's certainly not dense information now, and I think that helps focus on the gameplay interaction moreso than the game interface itself |
| 22:43.31 | brlcad | there's currently very little/no guessing as to what is what other than maybe the score and how to get to the other tabs |
| 22:45.10 | JeffM2501 | indeed, tho for gameplay, dead space at the edges is less usefull |
| 22:45.53 | brlcad | quite true |
| 22:46.24 | brlcad | if we had multi-flag, that right side or the top would be an ideal place to list the flags one carries |
| 22:47.36 | JeffM2501 | power bar.. need the power bar |
| 22:47.47 | brlcad | yes! |
| 22:48.05 | brlcad | shot bar and power bar |
| 22:48.12 | brlcad | iirc |
| 22:48.21 | brlcad | or was it just power and shots took power |
| 22:48.28 | JeffM2501 | just power |
| 22:48.58 | brlcad | ah, right, it had the two sides |
| 22:50.57 | brlcad | dinner! bbiab |
| 23:16.19 | shorty114 | is there a specific reason why on intel macs you can't see the shots on the radar? |
| 23:16.32 | shorty114 | i've tried teh prebuilt client and built one myself, but both don't have shots on the radar.. |
| 23:22.04 | JeffM2501 | they lack wang! |
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| 23:22.28 | JeffM2501 | so would using ODE for a dice rolling simulator be overkill? |
| 23:24.32 | shorty114 | what's emailLen exactly, in the bz code? |
| 23:24.43 | JeffM2501 | 128 |
| 23:24.44 | shorty114 | the max length of the email that will be rendered? |
| 23:24.54 | shorty114 | hmm okay |
| 23:24.58 | shorty114 | thanks |
| 23:25.06 | JeffM2501 | the main one is max size of the string |
| 23:25.47 | shorty114 | is it possible to get a remote player's IP from within the client? |
| 23:25.52 | shorty114 | or does the server protect that? |
| 23:26.09 | JeffM2501 | only if you are an admin |
| 23:26.25 | shorty114 | ah |
| 23:29.17 | Erroneous | JeffM2501: not if you were using loaded dice ;) |
| 23:29.28 | JeffM2501 | just normal dice |
| 23:29.34 | JeffM2501 | polyhedrals |
| 23:29.36 | Erroneous | yeah, that's pretty much overkill |
| 23:29.43 | JeffM2501 | anything simpler? |
| 23:29.54 | Erroneous | shouldn't be hard to write something |
| 23:30.00 | JeffM2501 | wanna write something? |
| 23:30.08 | Erroneous | assuming a single flat circle and a balanced die |
| 23:30.15 | Erroneous | not really |
| 23:30.17 | Erroneous | :) |
| 23:30.46 | Erroneous | if you want to do more than one die at a time (interacting) you might want to think about a real physics engine too |
| 23:30.57 | JeffM2501 | yeah, be cool to have em bounce |
| 23:31.02 | JeffM2501 | and be contained in a box |
| 23:31.14 | Erroneous | then no, ode is not overkill :) |
| 23:31.37 | Erroneous | bouncing off a box wouldn't be that bad |
| 23:31.40 | JeffM2501 | I'd think that hucking a polyhedron would be one of there tutorials :) |
| 23:31.43 | Erroneous | bouncing off each other is harder |
| 23:31.51 | Erroneous | yeah should b |
| 23:31.53 | Erroneous | be |
| 23:32.37 | JeffM2501 | there site is fugly |
| 23:32.51 | Erroneous | they're a physics engine not a graphics engine :P |
| 23:33.07 | JeffM2501 | that is no excuse for fuglyness |
| 23:33.17 | JeffM2501 | they are used by graphics guys, so they know somoeone |
| 23:33.40 | Erroneous | heh |
| 23:34.12 | JeffM2501 | they have nonfugly pictures in there docs |
| 23:34.16 | JeffM2501 | so somone knows something |