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| 01:44.04 | SportChick | JeffM2501: do you know of an open source application for windows that will do videoconferencing? |
| 01:44.51 | brlcad | there's a version of gaim that was working on adding video/voice capability |
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| 01:49.19 | SportChick | brlcad: yes, I did know that actually - but don't want to install gaim just for that - I use trillian |
| 01:49.37 | blast007 | does it need to be open-source? |
| 01:50.06 | brlcad | heh, "install gaim just for that"? |
| 01:50.08 | blast007 | cuz NetMeeting does video conferencing |
| 01:50.20 | brlcad | yet you're going to install .. "something" .. just for that |
| 01:51.07 | blast007 | brlcad: but gaim is more that just video conferencing ;) |
| 01:51.15 | blast007 | then again...so it netmeeting.. |
| 01:51.19 | brlcad | right |
| 01:52.14 | brlcad | and a pencil is more than a kenling for starting a fire, but it still burns and if one needed dry wood to burn.. ;) |
| 01:53.11 | brlcad | that said, netmeeting probably is the easiest choice on that platform that's going to mostly work without headache |
| 02:08.41 | JeffM2501 | there are a number of free vid conf apps |
| 02:08.43 | JeffM2501 | not all open |
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| 02:25.46 | JeffM2501 | 3 hours and 2 people to build a cabinet.. my shiny blue butt |
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| 03:02.03 | razer | hey any1 in duc league wit teamates online now say hi!! |
| 03:03.39 | razer | # #ducati league |
| 03:03.44 | razer | oh |
| 03:03.46 | razer | oop |
| 03:03.49 | razer | lol |
| 03:04.08 | razer | HEEEEEEEEEY PPL |
| 03:04.40 | razer | # #BZLEAGUE |
| 03:04.43 | razer | lol |
| 03:04.47 | razer | opps again |
| 03:04.55 | razer | # #bzleague |
| 03:04.58 | razer | rrg |
| 03:05.03 | razer | what is ti?? |
| 03:05.17 | razer | #league |
| 03:05.23 | razer | # #league |
| 03:05.30 | a_meteorite | ... |
| 03:05.43 | razer | ummm |
| 03:05.51 | razer | can u help me plz? |
| 03:06.02 | a_meteorite | yes, if I can |
| 03:06.10 | a_meteorite | ... nvm |
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| 03:06.20 | razer | sry bout that |
| 03:06.24 | a_meteorite | razer: if it only takes 2mins |
| 03:06.30 | razer | ok good |
| 03:06.30 | a_meteorite | cause I would rather be watching a TV show |
| 03:06.35 | razer | rrr |
| 03:06.40 | razer | tv is retaded |
| 03:06.48 | a_meteorite | The Unit isn't. |
| 03:06.54 | a_meteorite | anyways, matter of opinion |
| 03:06.55 | a_meteorite | problemo? |
| 03:07.30 | razer | well i need to get a match 4 the duc league but i tink im in the rong ch am i right? |
| 03:07.36 | a_meteorite | yes, you are |
| 03:07.44 | razer | where to go? |
| 03:07.51 | razer | #kierra |
| 03:07.54 | a_meteorite | <PROTECTED> |
| 03:07.56 | razer | doh |
| 03:08.08 | razer | <PROTECTED> |
| 03:08.08 | a_meteorite | that's the ducati league |
| 03:08.13 | a_meteorite | have fun |
| 03:08.15 | razer | it wont let me |
| 03:08.28 | a_meteorite | ##ducleague |
| 03:08.32 | a_meteorite | #bzleague redirects me |
| 03:08.33 | razer | oh |
| 03:08.35 | razer | ty |
| 03:08.51 | razer | ##ducleague |
| 03:08.52 | a_meteorite | alrighty, TV time. have fun. |
| 03:09.01 | a_meteorite | razer: /join ##ducleague |
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| 03:09.33 | razer | got thaat jus remembered lol |
| 03:09.33 | a_meteorite | type that and you're good to go, or find more about your IRC client |
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| 03:59.51 | essy | brlcad: did .bz go down? |
| 03:59.58 | essy | hi jujibo |
| 04:00.32 | essy | jujibo: can you connect to brlcad's box? |
| 04:09.17 | essy | brlcad: odd - I time out everytime I try to log in - was disconnected during an active session |
| 04:11.14 | essy | must have been something on my end. thanks |
| 04:16.23 | PrezKennedy | i had to change my password on bz cuz i kept forgetting the old one and i figured one of these days id get locked out if i forgot for too long ;-) |
| 04:18.00 | brlcad | surprisingly has only happened to one user so far |
| 04:20.40 | PrezKennedy | took me about 3 or 4 tries to get it right |
| 04:20.47 | PrezKennedy | didnt wanna find out what the limit was |
| 04:21.19 | brlcad | :) |
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| 08:34.05 | ruskie | hmmm nobody on viper to play with :( |
| 08:41.53 | Manu | players are at school or sleeping :) |
| 08:42.11 | ruskie | :) |
| 08:46.27 | L4m3r | in about half an hour I'll be doing both :P |
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| 14:48.52 | JonathanD | hello |
| 14:49.16 | DTRemenak | yo |
| 14:49.21 | ibunny | hello jd |
| 14:49.28 | JonathanD | would it be painfully impossible to get mouse movement to work in a constant movement mode, instead of distance-from-center? |
| 14:49.57 | DTRemenak | it would be painful to play that way :) |
| 14:50.05 | JonathanD | DTRemenak: not on a trackpoint. |
| 14:50.15 | DTRemenak | mmm, true |
| 14:50.30 | JonathanD | at that point, it becomes a very small joystick |
| 14:50.33 | DTRemenak | no, wouldn't be too hard |
| 14:50.41 | JonathanD | it's used that way in MS combat flight sim |
| 14:50.49 | DTRemenak | yeah |
| 14:50.50 | JonathanD | or most FPS's |
| 14:50.56 | JonathanD | and it works WELL with a trackpoing |
| 14:50.58 | DTRemenak | you could tie it into our joystick code at some point |
| 14:51.02 | JonathanD | and like garbage with any other mouse :p |
| 14:51.11 | DTRemenak | hehe, yeah, that's what I was thinking :) |
| 14:51.27 | JonathanD | DTRemenak: this is why I really like trackpoint for FPS |
| 14:51.31 | DTRemenak | patches welcome :) |
| 14:51.32 | JonathanD | theres no mouse-lifting |
| 14:51.45 | JonathanD | DTRemenak: I'll explore the idea, I don't know the code well (read, at all) |
| 14:52.18 | JonathanD | course, CFS does it by moving the pointer back to center all the time. |
| 14:52.39 | JonathanD | so it is "distance from center" but a constantly resetting distance from center. |
| 14:52.44 | DTRemenak | yup |
| 14:52.52 | DTRemenak | that's probably the easiest high-level way to do it |
| 14:52.54 | JonathanD | that might be amazingly easy to implement, actually |
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| 14:53.07 | JonathanD | say every 50 ms, move it back |
| 14:53.22 | JonathanD | so you have to "pull" against it as hard as you need to to turn. |
| 14:53.38 | JonathanD | to make it a tad easier, only do this on the x axis. |
| 14:53.39 | DTRemenak | cleaner would be if we could read the position of the trackpoint itself |
| 14:53.46 | DTRemenak | then just use it like a joystick |
| 14:53.54 | JonathanD | that would be nice. is it possible though? |
| 14:54.12 | DTRemenak | dunno. on windows maybe...have to look at their drivers |
| 14:54.13 | JonathanD | and I'm thinking in windows terms, I don't know how to reset cursor position on linux. |
| 14:54.32 | JonathanD | it has to work internally more or less like a joystick |
| 14:54.36 | DTRemenak | yeah |
| 14:54.41 | JonathanD | so it's already working in a distance from center mode |
| 14:54.56 | JonathanD | we would be turning the "real" value into a properly scaled value for BZ |
| 14:54.59 | JonathanD | and then your done. |
| 14:55.23 | JonathanD | I admit it has limited application :p |
| 14:55.23 | DTRemenak | hm, resetting the cursor position might have a few side effects in bz...the minimum granularity is one frame |
| 14:55.29 | JonathanD | but I love my trackpoint. |
| 14:55.45 | DTRemenak | can probably still do it |
| 14:55.45 | JonathanD | DTRemenak: is that why the game grinds to a halt when I change my volume? :P |
| 14:55.49 | DTRemenak | yeah |
| 14:55.51 | DTRemenak | actually it is :) |
| 14:56.00 | JonathanD | cause it slows the screen updates |
| 14:56.05 | JonathanD | thus slowing hte network updates |
| 14:56.10 | DTRemenak | yup |
| 14:56.13 | DTRemenak | one big thread |
| 14:56.14 | JonathanD | thus making the durn server think I have a ping of 50,000 ms |
| 14:56.31 | JonathanD | I have been kicked MORE times for changing my volume... |
| 14:56.31 | JonathanD | :P |
| 14:56.50 | DTRemenak | you need a keyboard with a volume control on it :) |
| 14:57.00 | JonathanD | for my laptop? |
| 14:57.06 | JonathanD | it has one |
| 14:57.12 | JonathanD | the OSD slows screen updates though |
| 14:57.13 | JonathanD | ALOT |
| 14:57.25 | DTRemenak | ahh |
| 14:57.29 | DTRemenak | turn the osd off :) |
| 14:57.35 | JonathanD | yeah, but I like it :P |
| 14:57.39 | JonathanD | and it only affects BZ |
| 14:58.48 | DTRemenak | c'ya in a few minutes, need to go to work |
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| 16:06.11 | ruskie | argh... my isp is again causing me grief with bzflag... |
| 16:08.15 | ruskie | yup definately the isp... I get same loss on all boxen... even the firewall |
| 16:09.01 | ts | ruskie: to where? |
| 16:10.01 | brlcad | ruskie: tried resetting your router? could be on your end |
| 16:11.54 | ruskie | the router is a box running pfsense |
| 16:12.04 | ruskie | ts, to viper |
| 16:13.57 | ruskie | not to mention the ISP routes me: across slovenia -> austria -> nethrelands -> germany -> server |
| 16:14.08 | ruskie | and in the austrian node it registers 70% loss |
| 16:15.29 | ts | ruskie: I have loss to de-cix, too |
| 16:15.37 | ts | many players have these days |
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| 16:21.22 | ts | ruskie: Hmm, I have 2.5% at telia in the way from me to the server. The way back goes totally different and no loss there.. |
| 16:21.50 | ruskie | well I'll request an ISP switch |
| 16:21.56 | ruskie | it can't get any worse... |
| 16:22.19 | ruskie | I'm waiting till they lay the fiber around here... should be 6-9 months or so... then I'll get FTTH |
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| 16:25.08 | ts | ruskie: When FTTH gets availble for the masses providers will apply the same routing chaos to it |
| 16:25.31 | ruskie | no doubt |
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| 16:25.41 | ruskie | the diff in who one will be able to prod about it |
| 16:25.53 | ruskie | atm my isp connects through another isp and then onward |
| 16:25.54 | ts | aync routing is something I would put people in jail for.. |
| 16:25.59 | ts | asyn* |
| 16:26.09 | ruskie | the ftth isp is laying it's own connections to everywhere |
| 16:26.24 | ruskie | even it's own international |
| 16:26.43 | ts | I don't even understand why I don't get my old ping times back |
| 16:27.20 | ruskie | the odd thing is it was ok for a while now it started again |
| 16:27.20 | ts | used to be 16ms in lagstats..nowadays I get 25-35ms while traceroute is at 15ms |
| 16:27.37 | ruskie | the first time it happened I complained to the ISP and they tried to do something about it |
| 16:27.49 | ruskie | now I'm fed up... |
| 16:28.00 | ruskie | I'm guessing it's the ussual ISP warfare around here |
| 16:28.11 | ruskie | so I'm going to the non-profit one... |
| 16:28.22 | ruskie | since I can... |
| 16:28.24 | ts | I fear I can't complain..as they are likely to tell me it's already rather low compared to the average players |
| 16:28.44 | ruskie | :) |
| 16:28.56 | ts | but still, it was better in the past |
| 16:28.56 | ruskie | I think 25-35 is quite ok |
| 16:29.16 | ts | ruskie: With the loss from me to server people don't see all my bullets |
| 16:29.32 | ts | but as the backway is unaffected I see all from them |
| 16:30.00 | ts | that is how explain it to me that I shoot through a lot of players |
| 16:30.14 | ruskie | hmmm |
| 16:30.31 | ruskie | well try with 1-9% loss and 60-100ms lag |
| 16:30.50 | ts | I had that for 6months at gamesunited.de |
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| 18:50.34 | Teppic | Was someone looking for me? |
| 18:51.19 | Teppic | CBG: Don't do it, haning is a terrible way to die. |
| 18:52.11 | CBG | haning? :| |
| 18:53.42 | Teppic | Hanging, I have a errat N key |
| 18:53.48 | Teppic | or G |
| 18:54.27 | CBG | Yeah, G. |
| 18:57.08 | CBG | An N as well. errat..? |
| 18:58.49 | Teppic | Exactly... |
| 19:07.54 | Teppic | How do I check the last time someone was here? |
| 19:13.04 | JBdiGriz | ~seen Teppic |
| 19:14.02 | ibot | teppic is currently on #bzflag (19h 31m 27s). Has said a total of 6 messages. Is idling for 6m 8s, last said: 'How do I check the last time someone was here?'. |
| 19:14.03 | Teppic | Thx |
| 19:14.04 | JBdiGriz | It only works if ibot responds |
| 19:14.04 | Teppic | lol |
| 19:14.04 | Teppic | ~seen JBdiGriz |
| 19:14.15 | ibot | jbdigriz is currently on #bzflag (4h 7m 20s) #silvercat (4h 7m 20s). Has said a total of 2 messages. Is idling for 11s, last said: 'It only works if ibot responds'. |
| 19:14.17 | Teppic | Lazt bot |
| 19:14.22 | Teppic | lazy* |
| 19:14.48 | JBdiGriz | Commands work well in a private chat with ibot as well. Not everyone has to see that you're checking. |
| 19:15.01 | Teppic | so /msg ibot? |
| 19:15.10 | JBdiGriz | yep |
| 19:15.15 | ts | yes and leave out the ~ |
| 19:31.17 | ts | JeffM2501: ping |
| 19:53.38 | ts | JeffM2501: Is that utility for the stripped LODs available anywhere? |
| 19:53.48 | JeffM2501 | what utility? |
| 19:54.37 | ts | The thing for trepan's mod regarding faster displaying |
| 19:55.03 | JeffM2501 | I don't beleive he added any utilitys to the source tree for it |
| 19:55.57 | ts | that's why I ask |
| 19:56.13 | JeffM2501 | I don't beleive he released, or plans to release anything for it |
| 19:56.18 | JeffM2501 | from my recolection |
| 19:59.12 | ts | hmm, IIRC those speed enhancements needed mods in the worlds |
| 19:59.57 | JeffM2501 | that they do |
| 19:59.59 | JeffM2501 | drawinfo stuff |
| 20:00.00 | ts | http://my.bzflag.org/bb/viewtopic.php?t=5031&highlight=lod |
| 20:00.15 | ts | " |
| 20:00.16 | ts | The higher polygon counts require the use of a drawInfo |
| 20:00.16 | ts | object within a mesh. The utility to facilitate the generation of |
| 20:00.16 | ts | stripified LODs has not yet been released." |
| 20:00.19 | JeffM2501 | yes |
| 20:00.25 | JeffM2501 | he never released it |
| 20:00.28 | JeffM2501 | nor plans to |
| 20:00.32 | JeffM2501 | IIRC |
| 20:00.34 | ts | gah :( |
| 20:02.52 | ts | Do these mods make any sense without an utility for it? |
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| 20:09.29 | JeffM2501 | not realy |
| 20:09.44 | JeffM2501 | someone shuld build the features into model tool |
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| 20:10.59 | JeffM2501 | he may have started doing it in model tool, I don't remembe tho. |
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| 21:03.30 | JeffM2501 | what's the gu leauge site? |
| 21:03.57 | JeffM2501 | or does anyone know "skaterchick20"? |
| 21:04.06 | A_Heart_Attack | i do |
| 21:04.08 | A_Heart_Attack | y? |
| 21:04.24 | JeffM2501 | she emailed me asking why she wasn't registered anymore |
| 21:04.38 | JeffM2501 | but said I should not email her back because "it wont comethrough for some reason" |
| 21:04.55 | CBG | GU League site is http://gu.bzleague.com |
| 21:04.58 | JeffM2501 | her account was deleted for coppa reasons, she posted that she was 10 |
| 21:05.05 | A_Heart_Attack | lol |
| 21:05.06 | A_Heart_Attack | she is |
| 21:05.13 | JeffM2501 | then she ain't getin no bzbb |
| 21:05.15 | A_Heart_Attack | and YD's acount was deleted to |
| 21:05.26 | JeffM2501 | yes it was, multiple times |
| 21:05.30 | JeffM2501 | and will continue to be |
| 21:05.37 | A_Heart_Attack | his YOUR DEAD, BzBum, and shizzle one |
| 21:05.38 | JeffM2501 | untill he gets a leter sent in |
| 21:05.45 | A_Heart_Attack | lol |
| 21:05.52 | JeffM2501 | no "LOL" about it |
| 21:05.53 | A_Heart_Attack | or when he turns 13 in a few months |
| 21:06.11 | CBG | That kid will never be 13. |
| 21:06.17 | A_Heart_Attack | lol |
| 21:06.24 | A_Heart_Attack | he is anoying |
| 21:06.27 | A_Heart_Attack | VERY |
| 21:06.34 | CBG | He's not the only one.. |
| 21:06.38 | A_Heart_Attack | yeah |
| 21:06.41 | A_Heart_Attack | i know |
| 21:06.52 | A_Heart_Attack | the others include CBG... |
| 21:06.56 | A_Heart_Attack | :p |
| 21:06.56 | A_Heart_Attack | jk |
| 21:07.04 | JeffM2501 | well if you see her, tell her why. as I can't take the time to root around to try and tell her |
| 21:07.10 | CBG | I was hinting at you, but whatever. |
| 21:07.13 | JeffM2501 | we sent her an e-mail when we pulled the account |
| 21:07.14 | A_Heart_Attack | ok |
| 21:07.18 | A_Heart_Attack | CBG: lol |
| 21:07.37 | A_Heart_Attack | JeffM2501: is i see her anytime soon ill tell her |
| 21:08.10 | CBG | I was wondering, was there always a Password field on the Join Game screen? |
| 21:08.20 | JeffM2501 | no |
| 21:08.21 | A_Heart_Attack | no |
| 21:08.26 | JeffM2501 | it was added for 2.0 with global reg |
| 21:08.30 | A_Heart_Attack | yeah |
| 21:08.31 | CBG | Ahha, ok. |
| 21:08.35 | A_Heart_Attack | even though i wasnt around then |
| 21:08.37 | A_Heart_Attack | i knew that |
| 21:08.45 | CBG | I thought before that, didn't notice it new at 2.0. |
| 21:08.59 | A_Heart_Attack | you had to do /identify <password> |
| 21:09.02 | A_Heart_Attack | before |
| 21:09.06 | CBG | Yes, I know. |
| 21:09.13 | A_Heart_Attack | ok |
| 21:09.19 | CBG | You might still do at some servers. |
| 21:09.25 | A_Heart_Attack | you do |
| 21:09.26 | CBG | I was around prior to 2.0 |
| 21:09.35 | A_Heart_Attack | oh |
| 21:09.36 | A_Heart_Attack | kool |
| 21:09.40 | CBG | A_Heart_Attack: I said YOU might, since I don't know if you do or not. |
| 21:09.56 | A_Heart_Attack | oh |
| 21:10.01 | A_Heart_Attack | i read it quick |
| 21:10.02 | CBG | I just didn't remember thinking "Wow, what's this password thing for?" when I first got 2.0. |
| 21:10.10 | A_Heart_Attack | lol |
| 21:10.13 | JeffM2501 | there were a lot of changes in 2.0 |
| 21:11.01 | A_Heart_Attack | oh |
| 21:11.02 | CBG | Yeah, was probably more interested in WG. |
| 21:11.02 | A_Heart_Attack | JeffM2501: is 2.1.* planning to be released any time soon |
| 21:11.02 | JeffM2501 | nope |
| 21:11.02 | JeffM2501 | there is no plan |
| 21:11.02 | A_Heart_Attack | lol |
| 21:11.03 | JeffM2501 | we never have a plan |
| 21:11.03 | A_Heart_Attack | aww |
| 21:11.03 | CBG | Plan? haha. |
| 21:11.06 | JeffM2501 | and 2.1.x will never be released |
| 21:11.08 | JeffM2501 | it would be done as 2.2 |
| 21:11.10 | A_Heart_Attack | is it close to being compleated |
| 21:11.14 | CBG | I'm not expecting 2.2 this year. |
| 21:11.15 | A_Heart_Attack | oh |
| 21:11.16 | A_Heart_Attack | yeah |
| 21:11.22 | A_Heart_Attack | thats what i ment |
| 21:11.39 | JeffM2501 | at it's current rate of development, it is not likely to have enough features to warrant a release, this year, yes |
| 21:11.46 | CBG | A_Heart_Attack: try hitting SPACE instead of RETURN all the time. Like this. And this. See? |
| 21:12.11 | JeffM2501 | some how I don't think the account "High Karate Kitty fascist" is a real player |
| 21:12.16 | Erroneous | traditionally, it would have ended up in december/january. we are looking at very few changes so far though, so it'll probably be longer |
| 21:12.18 | CBG | JeffM2501: I was just going on the "normal" sort of period of time between releases.. |
| 21:12.53 | JeffM2501 | CBG, normaly we have one around xmas/new years as my estute coworker mentioned. |
| 21:13.18 | CBG | Better get working then.. :) |
| 21:13.35 | Erroneous | come back next year ;) |
| 21:13.36 | CBG | I started reading my twelve billion page C++ Book last week. :| |
| 21:14.13 | CBG | First chapter is enough to put anyone to sleep. |
| 21:14.18 | A_Heart_Attack | how far have you got? |
| 21:14.22 | A_Heart_Attack | lol |
| 21:14.30 | CBG | I doubt any actual code creeps in until atleast the 7th chapter. |
| 21:15.14 | JeffM2501 | ahh cool, I'm popular again, found the account "JEFF_IS_LAME" |
| 21:15.23 | CBG | ho ho ho. |
| 21:15.31 | Erroneous | been a while since you had one of those |
| 21:15.35 | JeffM2501 | yeah |
| 21:15.41 | Erroneous | the last was a bit more...vulgar, iirc |
| 21:15.57 | CBG | Oh, I can do vulgar, if you like the attention, JeffM2501.. :P |
| 21:16.07 | JeffM2501 | naw |
| 21:16.13 | Erroneous | CBG: if you like being banned... ;) |
| 21:16.22 | CBG | By IP? |
| 21:16.30 | A_Heart_Attack | lol |
| 21:16.34 | Erroneous | by anything and everything |
| 21:16.41 | CBG | Aww, shucks. |
| 21:16.53 | JeffM2501 | I've taken to baning subnets |
| 21:16.53 | A_Heart_Attack | Erroneous: what does iirc mean? |
| 21:17.00 | A_Heart_Attack | lol |
| 21:17.06 | brlcad | ~iirc |
| 21:17.09 | ibot | well, iirc is "if I recall correctly" |
| 21:17.12 | CBG | I sometimes envy dial-up users. Then I work out how many weeks it would take for them to download Halo and laugh. |
| 21:17.15 | A_Heart_Attack | oh |
| 21:17.16 | A_Heart_Attack | thanks |
| 21:17.18 | Erroneous | ~wtf iirc |
| 21:17.28 | CBG | ~wtf wtf |
| 21:17.39 | CBG | Oi, language, ibot! |
| 21:17.57 | Erroneous | what'd you THINK it would say?! |
| 21:18.15 | CBG | fudge? freak? feck? |
| 21:18.29 | Erroneous | ... |
| 21:18.30 | CBG | or maybe just f***. |
| 21:19.13 | JeffM2501 | ibot is a tool, you asked for it knowing what it may say |
| 21:20.03 | JeffM2501 | bzbb meaintance would be so nice if we could just ban yahoo and hotmail |
| 21:20.15 | A_Heart_Attack | lol |
| 21:20.26 | CBG | You can't? I bet VBulletin can. |
| 21:20.33 | Erroneous | I've thought about it. I think it'd end up banning me though, so I figured I shouldn't :) |
| 21:20.40 | ts | MS is evil, just ban hotmail ;) |
| 21:20.45 | JeffM2501 | CBG, it's not a techincal limitaiton |
| 21:20.45 | CBG | Erroneous: get a gmail.. ;) |
| 21:20.51 | Erroneous | CBG: I have one |
| 21:20.59 | ts | eek, gmail is also evil |
| 21:21.18 | CBG | But not included in JeffM2501's ban list.. |
| 21:21.32 | Erroneous | I have accounts with many domains. But I do believe I registered at bzbb with a yahoo account |
| 21:21.37 | JeffM2501 | don't see that many spam accounts come from gmail |
| 21:21.59 | JeffM2501 | yeah and so did "adult video 256" |
| 21:21.59 | ts | but google is evil, too :p |
| 21:22.06 | A_Heart_Attack | lol |
| 21:22.35 | CBG | I wonder how many people did the same as me; "Saw adverts for 1 GB mailbox and thought "Wow, that'll be great for my spam email...". |
| 21:22.38 | JeffM2501 | bunch of new names get added to the disallowed names list today |
| 21:22.58 | Erroneous | ts: I would feel worse about google if they hadn't paid me for doing something I would have done anyway :P |
| 21:23.14 | A_Heart_Attack | doing what? |
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| 21:24.43 | Erroneous | working on wine |
| 21:49.52 | SportChick | JeffM2501: skaterchick is severely underage |
| 21:51.17 | JeffM2501 | well for a 10 year old she formulates decent emails |
| 21:51.28 | A_Heart_Attack | ~define relurks |
| 21:51.29 | ibot | Use ~dict for definitions. |
| 21:51.39 | A_Heart_Attack | ~dict relurks |
| 21:51.45 | A_Heart_Attack | ~dict relurk |
| 21:51.51 | JeffM2501 | lurk again |
| 21:51.57 | A_Heart_Attack | ~dict lurk |
| 21:52.01 | A_Heart_Attack | :p |
| 21:52.03 | ts | ~seen deprecated |
| 21:52.14 | ibot | deprecated is currently on #bzflag #pillbox ##ducleague ##essy, last said: 'game:stop'. |
| 21:52.15 | JeffM2501 | ~dict /msg |
| 21:52.28 | ts | deprecated = definition of lurk |
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| 23:15.40 | CBG | :| |
| 23:17.45 | A_Heart_Attack | how do people post as guests anyway? |
| 23:18.31 | tannerld | they don't login...? |
| 23:19.02 | A_Heart_Attack | then it says you need to login to post |
| 23:19.53 | Theme97 | Depends on the forum you're posting in. |
| 23:20.44 | A_Heart_Attack | BZBB |
| 23:22.25 | CBG | Depends on the forum you're posting in. |
| 23:23.22 | A_Heart_Attack | oh |
| 23:23.22 | A_Heart_Attack | :p |
| 23:23.24 | tannerld | lol |
| 23:31.22 | JeffM2501 | all the fourms on bzbb require login |
| 23:31.29 | JeffM2501 | the guest spam is something else |
| 23:31.58 | A_Heart_Attack | oh' |
| 23:32.14 | JeffM2501 | Erroneous, ban there subnet, it's what I'v been doing and it's helping |
| 23:32.31 | JeffM2501 | somone needs to check the logs and see how they keep posting it |
| 23:32.31 | Erroneous | k |
| 23:32.41 | Erroneous | yup |
| 23:32.48 | Erroneous | someone does |
| 23:32.51 | JeffM2501 | I've saved a couple, and informed the brlcad |
| 23:33.00 | tannerld | guest spam is something else? |
| 23:33.10 | Erroneous | yup |
| 23:33.11 | JeffM2501 | yeah, it's not a normal reg -> spam |
| 23:33.21 | JeffM2501 | as we just don't allow guests |
| 23:33.41 | JeffM2501 | so somehow they are bypassing the login stuff |
| 23:33.50 | tannerld | the registering stuff or login stuff? |
| 23:33.57 | JeffM2501 | same thing |
| 23:34.44 | tannerld | there are some mods for phpbb to help kill the spam, but they will always try to get past |
| 23:34.59 | JeffM2501 | well we need an upgrade anway |
| 23:35.15 | tannerld | isn't upgrading phpbb just so much fun? :E |
| 23:35.22 | Erroneous | sure is |
| 23:35.28 | JeffM2501 | well we also need sometihng that isn't phpbb :) |
| 23:35.33 | JeffM2501 | but that's a larger task |
| 23:35.45 | tannerld | lol |
| 23:36.16 | JeffM2501 | at some point I'll probably just get so angry at at it, that I swap it to something else |
| 23:36.32 | Erroneous | ooh, that should be fun to watch |
| 23:36.39 | JeffM2501 | i'll be messy |
| 23:36.46 | JeffM2501 | oh she needs to fix that |
| 23:36.46 | Erroneous | yup |
| 23:36.56 | Erroneous | bust out a new list server in a day or something :) |
| 23:37.08 | JeffM2501 | actualy I'd keep the list server, and mod the fourm |
| 23:37.21 | Erroneous | aw |
| 23:37.25 | JeffM2501 | simpler change |
| 23:37.37 | Erroneous | our list server has its own limitations |
| 23:37.43 | JeffM2501 | geting a new fourm to use the exiting auth can't be that hard |
| 23:37.49 | JeffM2501 | yes it does |
| 23:37.59 | Erroneous | may as well write new auth though, if we're gonna mod it anyway |
| 23:38.17 | JeffM2501 | there has to be a fourm system that is designed with modular auth |
| 23:38.32 | Erroneous | my point is that we don't HAVE a modular auth :) |
| 23:38.34 | Erroneous | it'd be a hack |
| 23:38.35 | JeffM2501 | yeah |
| 23:38.52 | JeffM2501 | but can fix the fourm. then fix the list |
| 23:38.56 | JeffM2501 | and not have to do it all at once |
| 23:39.05 | JeffM2501 | all at once makes it harder, and more prone to error |
| 23:39.43 | Erroneous | you're proposing an incremental change instead of a total rewrite? :) |
| 23:39.51 | JeffM2501 | yes |
| 23:39.53 | JeffM2501 | cus I'm lazy |
| 23:39.58 | tannerld | :P |
| 23:39.59 | JeffM2501 | I can learn things! |
| 23:40.03 | Erroneous | yay! |
| 23:40.21 | JeffM2501 | does that mean tupone will come back now? :) |
| 23:40.28 | Erroneous | I hope so :( |
| 23:42.02 | JeffM2501 | I fear that any new fourm system may not support groups like we use |
| 23:42.24 | Erroneous | need something that can deal with that too |
| 23:42.33 | JeffM2501 | or split them out of the fourm system |
| 23:42.35 | Erroneous | might need to write something |
| 23:42.36 | Erroneous | yeah |
| 23:42.38 | JeffM2501 | and give them there own managementm |
| 23:42.48 | JeffM2501 | management |
| 23:43.13 | JeffM2501 | wonder how cool phpbb 3 is? |
| 23:43.22 | Erroneous | I dunno |
| 23:43.22 | tannerld | very cool |
| 23:43.36 | CBG | very uncool is my bet. |
| 23:43.37 | JeffM2501 | when is it suposed to be done? |
| 23:43.40 | CBG | it's still phpBB. |
| 23:43.56 | Erroneous | think they'd accept patches for a modular user/group system? :) |
| 23:43.57 | tannerld | uh not sure when it supposed to be done... |
| 23:51.01 | tannerld | i haven't heard anything new though... |
| 23:51.01 | JeffM2501 | bahh, they don't even have upgrade tools |
| 23:51.01 | tannerld | yeah, phpbb3 is much more advaned than 2.0.x is |
| 23:51.01 | JeffM2501 | we can't change to anything if we loose data |
| 23:51.01 | Erroneous | we can always keep data |
| 23:51.02 | Erroneous | might require a few extra chickens |
| 23:51.02 | tannerld | there could always be unsupported updaters, but I don't know :P |
| 23:51.02 | JeffM2501 | the feature list for 3 does look neat |
| 23:51.02 | tannerld | quite nice, you see the demo? |
| 23:51.02 | JeffM2501 | # Display forum rules on forum page |
| 23:51.02 | JeffM2501 | # Prune inactive users |
| 23:51.03 | JeffM2501 | demo is pointless if I can't get our current data |
| 23:51.03 | Erroneous | like I said...might require a few extra chickens, but it's always doable |
| 23:51.03 | JeffM2501 | yeah |
| 23:51.03 | JeffM2501 | but is it worth the effort just for an eval |
| 23:51.03 | Erroneous | is it necessary just for an eval? |
| 23:51.03 | JeffM2501 | not for the features, but to eval an upgrade |
| 23:51.03 | JeffM2501 | can do it in 2 steps |
| 23:51.03 | Erroneous | find out if we want to upgrade. if we do, we can make it happen. |
| 23:51.03 | JeffM2501 | I'd not want to do it while they are beta tho, we don't do good upgrades |
| 23:51.04 | Erroneous | no, not while in beta...might mean migrating more than once! |
| 23:51.04 | JeffM2501 | yeah |
| 23:51.04 | JeffM2501 | or just let it all collapes till noone cares, then we don't have to keep data :) |
| 23:51.04 | Erroneous | heh |
| 23:51.05 | Erroneous | someone will always care |
| 23:51.05 | JeffM2501 | ok till noone I care about cares. |
| 23:51.05 | Erroneous | heh |
| 23:52.35 | JeffM2501 | for me to do it, my anger at the fourms will have to be greater then my hatred of php/html, but not so much hatred that I quit :) |
| 23:52.50 | Erroneous | hmm |
| 23:52.54 | Erroneous | that's a rather fine line :P |
| 23:52.57 | JeffM2501 | yes |
| 23:53.14 | Erroneous | 'cause you hate php a lot |
| 23:53.15 | JeffM2501 | and less then replacing the entire system for 2.2 and just make everyone rereg :) |
| 23:53.24 | JeffM2501 | I don't hate it THAT much |
| 23:53.29 | JeffM2501 | I did buy a book on it |
| 23:53.33 | Erroneous | wow |
| 23:53.49 | JeffM2501 | it is what it is |
| 23:53.58 | JeffM2501 | for many things it is the right choice |
| 23:54.05 | JeffM2501 | and it's enough like C that I can deal |
| 23:54.14 | JeffM2501 | now SQL commands, thats the stuff I have no clue on |
| 23:54.29 | Erroneous | SQL is cool. PHP is a mess. |
| 23:54.33 | JeffM2501 | oooo I could just go and write C fourms :) |
| 23:54.38 | Erroneous | eeek |
| 23:54.42 | CBG | What else would you use for, say, an internet forum, JeffM2501, if not php? |
| 23:54.42 | JeffM2501 | one big CGI :) |
| 23:54.53 | Erroneous | perl :) |
| 23:55.03 | CBG | ..... |
| 23:55.03 | JeffM2501 | CBG, ASP, I have heard of that "ruby on rails" thing |
| 23:55.09 | JeffM2501 | yeah perl |
| 23:55.13 | JeffM2501 | there are a number of choices |
| 23:55.18 | CBG | ASP is Microsoft crap.. |
| 23:55.23 | CBG | RoR, yeah, ok. |
| 23:55.32 | CBG | But nobody had heard of that 6 months ago. |
| 23:55.34 | Erroneous | perl's not such a good choice on big projects, sadly |
| 23:55.36 | JeffM2501 | ASP is what it is. i does work for many people |
| 23:55.40 | Erroneous | Ruby is ancient, CBG |
| 23:55.52 | JeffM2501 | CBG, just cus it's not on a /. frontpage dosn't make it crap :) |
| 23:56.08 | CBG | Ewwww, slashdot... ewww. |
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| 23:56.23 | Erroneous | CBG: do you actually like anything, or do you just hate it all? :) |
| 23:56.41 | JeffM2501 | he lets his emotions guide all his desciions |
| 23:56.59 | CBG | I just hate ASP since it's spawn of the devil... |
| 23:57.05 | JeffM2501 | yeah whatever |
| 23:57.12 | CBG | JeffM2501: hah, as if I have any knowledge to guide me... :) |
| 23:57.16 | JeffM2501 | using asp.net with C# is prety sweet |
| 23:57.21 | Erroneous | "emotions guide..." "spawn of the devil..." yup, sounds about right |
| 23:57.29 | JeffM2501 | but it has limited server suport |
| 23:57.33 | Erroneous | C# is a neat language |
| 23:57.37 | CBG | PHP Does everything I need it to do, with less hassle. |
| 23:57.45 | JeffM2501 | for you, I'm sure that's true |
| 23:58.04 | Erroneous | can't say I'm a big fan of ASP though |
| 23:58.09 | CBG | Yeah, so I have no reason to go near ASP. |
| 23:58.32 | CBG | As for RoR, I didn't say I hated it, I'm very interested in it, but it's only just becoming popular. |
| 23:59.08 | JeffM2501 | ooo MFC fourms |
| 23:59.11 | JeffM2501 | that would rock |
| 23:59.11 | Erroneous | just because something's not popular doesn't make it not useful :) |
| 23:59.21 | CBG | Erroneous: again, I did not say that. |
| 23:59.29 | JeffM2501 | I still got that MFC IRC bot :) |
| 23:59.58 | JeffM2501 | php is probably the best choice for our fourms, don't know if it is for our registration system |