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| 01:04.41 | JeffM2501 | DTRemenak, if your up for some readin/editin :) http://www.opencombat.net/files/docs/OCFPS-10-2-06.pdf |
| 01:05.03 | JeffM2501 | or anyone who cares to for that matter |
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| 07:27.02 | ibunny | wheres my man? |
| 07:27.14 | ibunny | and hi |
| 07:29.43 | Manu | good morning ibunny |
| 07:30.12 | ibunny | manu manu |
| 08:04.45 | ruskie | hmm how much does bzflag rely on HW TCL support? |
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| 08:18.42 | ruskie | global is down |
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| 08:21.52 | ruskie | doesn't seem that bzflag relys on hw tcl all that much... swapped it to sw tcl and it still works as before... sans any crashes this time though... |
| 08:23.09 | ibunny | did u just answer ur own question? |
| 08:23.40 | ruskie | seems so... atleast from the practical test I noticed no slowdown :) |
| 08:27.05 | ibunny | wait .. dont u get me all curled up with ur geeky talk there. |
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| 08:27.40 | ibunny | oh rosti! |
| 08:27.41 | ruskie | who to bug for global being offline? |
| 08:27.56 | ibunny | not me... |
| 08:28.07 | ts | ~bzflist |
| 08:28.19 | ts | ruskie: It is not offline ;) |
| 08:28.22 | ruskie | it is |
| 08:28.25 | ruskie | it doesn't accept login |
| 08:28.27 | ts | WFM |
| 08:28.44 | ts | Correct password? |
| 08:28.59 | ibunny | iloverostis |
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| 08:32.17 | Manu | ruskie: global is working |
| 08:32.32 | ts | Like I said :) |
| 08:41.45 | ruskie | I wasn't the only person having problems connecting |
| 08:41.48 | ruskie | atleast on viper |
| 08:42.03 | ruskie | I had to manualy /identify |
| 08:42.29 | Manu | global is working, and I joined to test it too |
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| 08:43.01 | ruskie | yah it's working now |
| 08:43.05 | ruskie | it wasn't before |
| 08:44.07 | ibunny | have a rosti! |
| 08:46.24 | Manu | ruskie: the server wasn't down |
| 08:46.43 | ibunny | was just sleeping a bit :D |
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| 17:11.44 | JeffM2501 | for an OS that often requires some techincal knowledge to install, seems a lot of linux users don't understand anything about drivers... |
| 17:12.18 | orange | most are built-in, precompiled as modules |
| 17:12.23 | orange | so they never have to deal with them at all |
| 17:12.27 | JeffM2501 | except video :) |
| 17:12.47 | JeffM2501 | and the joys of hardware accelleration |
| 17:15.01 | JeffM2501 | just seems that more then once a month or so, I see the post " bzflag runs slow in linux, but fine in windows" |
| 17:15.01 | JeffM2501 | wonder if the linux readme mentions that |
| 17:15.30 | JeffM2501 | oh god |
| 17:15.36 | JeffM2501 | "Most users will use Mesa for OpenGL support. Mesa is available |
| 17:15.36 | JeffM2501 | from www.mesa3d.org. The glide libraries for 3Dfx users are |
| 17:15.36 | JeffM2501 | available from www.3dfx.com." |
| 17:15.42 | JeffM2501 | maybe we should update that? |
| 17:18.31 | SportChick | JeffM2501: my friend won her contest! :) now she can get something a bit nice :) |
| 17:18.34 | JeffM2501 | cool |
| 17:18.40 | JeffM2501 | tell her congratulations |
| 17:18.50 | SportChick | I did :) just hung up with her |
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| 17:21.11 | Erroneous | heh, glide :) |
| 17:23.26 | JeffM2501 | yeah... |
| 17:23.40 | JeffM2501 | it still mentions -3dfx as well |
| 17:27.11 | JeffM2501 | aww.. no cia |
| 17:27.19 | *** mode/#bzflag [+v CIA-1] by JeffM2501 |
| 17:31.37 | CIA-1 | BZFlag: 03jeffm2501 * 10bzflag/README.Linux: it's the 21st centry, update the linux readme to refrence the more modern video cards, and take out the part about 3dfx. |
| 17:31.43 | JeffM2501 | wow |
| 17:31.44 | JeffM2501 | slow |
| 17:33.06 | gsnedders | it's the 21st cent!? wow. |
| 17:35.21 | CIA-1 | BZFlag: 03jeffm2501 07v2_0branch * 10bzflag/README.Linux: it's the 21st centry, update the linux readme to refrence the more modern video cards, and take out the part about 3dfx. |
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| 17:39.58 | TimRiker | woah... next you'll drop the floopy based install. |
| 17:40.20 | TimRiker | er floppy. |
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| 17:43.36 | JeffM2501 | heh |
| 17:43.49 | JeffM2501 | well it's not like the app supports -3dfx anymore |
| 17:44.32 | brlcad | it's not like 3dfx supports 3dfx anymore |
| 17:44.37 | JeffM2501 | exactly |
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| 18:14.40 | Mr_Molez | has anyone tried bzflag on vista :P |
| 18:21.33 | JeffM2501 | I'm sure somone has, I've heard a couple people talk about installing it |
| 18:21.46 | JeffM2501 | should run as well as the drivers let thm |
| 18:22.44 | Mr_Molez | ive just tried it |
| 18:22.58 | Mr_Molez | runs fine, except with no 3d support :P |
| 18:22.59 | JeffM2501 | how did it go? |
| 18:23.02 | JeffM2501 | what card? |
| 18:23.07 | Mr_Molez | ati x550 |
| 18:23.22 | JeffM2501 | ATI dos't have drivers for it? |
| 18:23.27 | JeffM2501 | or you just runnin the defaults? |
| 18:23.35 | Mr_Molez | yeh they released a vista RC1 driver |
| 18:23.41 | Mr_Molez | which i installed :P |
| 18:23.44 | JeffM2501 | and it dosn't work? |
| 18:24.03 | Mr_Molez | im gona go search some forums to see if other games have the same problem |
| 18:24.27 | JeffM2501 | I mean I know ATI has made some crap drivers before, but I've never known them to fail completely |
| 18:24.34 | Mr_Molez | its using the GDI Generic driver |
| 18:24.48 | JeffM2501 | X500 series is older, maybe they didn't do an ICD for it |
| 18:25.06 | JeffM2501 | GL under vista has had some rocky history |
| 18:25.08 | Mr_Molez | its possible, i didn;t see that exact card on the supported list |
| 18:26.07 | JeffM2501 | yeah odd, they skiped the 500 series |
| 18:26.27 | JeffM2501 | it an onboard one? |
| 18:26.29 | JeffM2501 | or a real card? |
| 18:26.34 | Mr_Molez | no pci-E |
| 18:26.46 | JeffM2501 | strange |
| 18:26.57 | Mr_Molez | just my luck :( |
| 18:27.23 | Mr_Molez | ill try installing the xp driver for it, I dont know if that is possible, but i have managed to install other xp drivers sucessfully |
| 18:27.49 | JeffM2501 | that may not get you openGL, as it's done somewhat difrent in vista |
| 18:27.52 | JeffM2501 | but it's worth a shot |
| 18:28.19 | JeffM2501 | hah, but the card is "ATI Certified VISTA READY!" |
| 18:28.27 | Mr_Molez | hehe |
| 18:28.58 | JeffM2501 | wonder if it's just a downclocked X600 |
| 18:29.02 | Mr_Molez | you know i don't think i tried the windows versions of the drivers, ill try them first |
| 18:29.32 | JeffM2501 | whoot, food time |
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| 18:45.07 | Mr_Molez | JeffM2501: heheh guess what :P |
| 18:47.47 | Erroneous | Mr_Molez: he's at lunch |
| 18:48.54 | Mr_Molez | Erroneous: uhhhh |
| 18:49.56 | Erroneous | uh? |
| 18:51.03 | Mr_Molez | Erroneous: are you feeling ok ? |
| 18:51.33 | Erroneous | Mr_Molez: why wouldn't I be? |
| 18:51.47 | Mr_Molez | just checking |
| 18:52.12 | Erroneous | right |
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| 19:41.28 | JeffM2501 | I was at lunch |
| 19:41.52 | JeffM2501 | Mr_Molez, did you find a driver that works? |
| 19:48.37 | Mr_Molez | JeffM2501: yeh the xp driver works fine |
| 19:48.41 | JeffM2501 | cool |
| 19:48.51 | JeffM2501 | frame rates comparable to XP? |
| 19:49.16 | Mr_Molez | 20 or so less |
| 19:49.18 | Mr_Molez | no biggy |
| 19:49.38 | JeffM2501 | is it a 64 bit install of Vista? |
| 19:49.46 | Mr_Molez | 32 |
| 19:49.52 | JeffM2501 | hmm |
| 19:49.52 | JeffM2501 | ok |
| 19:50.25 | CBG | JeffM2501: just so you know, I went and got an internal HD plus enclosure, just assembled it now and it seems to work. |
| 19:50.28 | JeffM2501 | what is the max frame rate? |
| 19:50.34 | JeffM2501 | CBG, cooleo |
| 19:50.44 | JeffM2501 | CBG, see it wasn't that hard was it? :) |
| 19:50.51 | CBG | Thanks for the advice, saved me about £20, ie, 20-25% the price. |
| 19:50.55 | JeffM2501 | cool |
| 19:51.04 | CBG | JeffM2501: heh, I hope I grounded myself OK. |
| 19:51.33 | JeffM2501 | did you feel any sparks when you touched the drive? |
| 19:52.14 | CBG | nope |
| 19:52.18 | Mr_Molez | JeffM2501: about 60, but the most i have got out of xp is about 80 |
| 19:52.21 | JeffM2501 | then your fine |
| 19:52.22 | CBG | Formatting it now, so we'll see soon. |
| 19:52.29 | CBG | good good, :) |
| 19:52.44 | JeffM2501 | Mr_Molez, that's still a decent drop, when it ships I'll have to check it out |
| 19:52.59 | JeffM2501 | 25% drop |
| 20:01.40 | Erroneous | you can fry electronics without feeling it...but if it recognizes it, it's good |
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| 20:10.49 | Manu | brlcad: /usr: write failed, filesystem is full |
| 20:10.59 | Manu | o_O |
| 20:12.01 | ruskie | joy :) |
| 20:13.19 | Erroneous | <PROTECTED> |
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| 20:14.13 | Manu | yes, it's annoying :/ |
| 20:14.17 | NTH | Is global down ? |
| 20:14.27 | Manu | I guess no |
| 20:14.36 | Chestal | I guess yes |
| 20:14.42 | Chestal | at least it's slow |
| 20:14.52 | essy | brlcad ping |
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| 20:18.18 | mistake | hello, i think bzbb is down |
| 20:18.32 | mistake | no more global |
| 20:18.59 | Manu | heh.. /usr is full and all the users joining :/ |
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| 20:20.10 | blast007 | ~bzflist |
| 20:20.31 | blast007 | sorta looks down/slow to me as well ;) |
| 20:20.34 | randomparticle | ~lart blast007 |
| 20:20.51 | blast007 | hehehe |
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| 20:21.19 | brlcad | fixed |
| 20:21.22 | randomparticle | more of a moron than a silly bot? yeah, right :) |
| 20:21.39 | brlcad | it's slow because of the massive write failure log messages :) |
| 20:21.43 | brlcad | recovering now |
| 20:21.46 | Manu | 3 Gb free, not bad |
| 20:21.48 | Erroneous | heh |
| 20:22.07 | brlcad | Manu: that was just one file :) |
| 20:22.15 | Manu | wow |
| 20:22.16 | Erroneous | heh |
| 20:22.18 | essy | ahh ignore my email then :) |
| 20:22.26 | brlcad | list server log really needs to be rotated.. |
| 20:22.37 | Manu | isn't it? heh |
| 20:22.38 | brlcad | that was only like 3 months of logging |
| 20:26.56 | Erroneous | you're logging to /usr? |
| 20:29.34 | ts | It seems like the list server is down frequently recently |
| 20:29.38 | brlcad | var partition is too small for the logs |
| 20:30.26 | Manu | <PROTECTED> |
| 20:30.39 | brlcad | that's probably a good thing |
| 20:33.02 | brlcad | if the web server wasn't so vulnerable to the phpbb exploits and attacks, we could alleviate a lot of these problems |
| 20:35.49 | brlcad | alas, it seems nobody is willing to address the problem, decouple the group db or upgrade phpbb, etc |
| 20:36.15 | brlcad | or are you volunteering, ts ? |
| 20:36.20 | ts | brlcad: Not enough time :( |
| 20:36.30 | Manu | same here :/ |
| 20:36.30 | ts | I have the knowlegde but not the time |
| 20:36.50 | Manu | no time nor to play bzflag :( |
| 20:37.01 | blast007 | brlcad: last time I had gotten a local copy all set up and modified, phpBB decided to release a new version before I was done :/ |
| 20:37.24 | brlcad | blast007: heh, that still would have been worth it :) |
| 20:37.32 | brlcad | we're sitting on such a busted old version |
| 20:37.38 | blast007 | yeah, at least until I broke it with a mod |
| 20:37.51 | brlcad | the phpbb devs were astounded that we're actually running the version we're running and the server is still up and running |
| 20:37.58 | blast007 | heh |
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| 20:38.32 | brlcad | the 1M attacks/month in the logs show why |
| 20:40.02 | Manu | only 1M? :) |
| 20:43.43 | brlcad | last time I tabulated, per unique IP iirc |
| 20:48.45 | Manu | sometimes is better to use a very old version.. attacks are against the newer versions mainly :) |
| 20:49.10 | Manu | now windows 98 is more secure than XP :p |
| 20:59.17 | ts | Manu: LOL |
| 21:00.19 | ts | Its bugs may not be tried to exploit that much but that does not change the security. |
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| 21:08.05 | Manu | ts: you know I'm joking.. but connect a win98 and a winxp to the net.. be sure xp will be infected vey quick |
| 21:08.33 | Manu | also a lack or exploits is a temporal security |
| 21:08.49 | ts | Manu: Hehe, then Vista is more secure, too because not yet used by the masses |
| 21:09.05 | Manu | no, vista is less secure than XP ;) |
| 21:09.17 | Manu | got hacked in 15 minutes |
| 21:09.22 | ruskie | yeah to undocumented so far :) |
| 21:09.58 | ts | The new security protecion scheme is a joke :) |
| 21:10.24 | ruskie | windows is a joke |
| 21:10.47 | Manu | ruskie: not really, many ppl earn money cleaning of viruses and so on ;) |
| 21:10.56 | ruskie | I know... I'm one of them... |
| 21:11.02 | ruskie | it's still a joke |
| 21:11.41 | ruskie | though luckily I get to work on servers and linux stuff as well |
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| 22:31.39 | JeffM2501 | yay for shouting matches with Erroneous's boss |
| 22:31.53 | Erroneous | hehe |
| 22:33.06 | JeffM2501 | yeah |
| 22:33.22 | JeffM2501 | I think he wanted to go to a topic that we didn't start out on |
| 22:34.21 | JeffM2501 | runing the regresions localy, or tracking down the files for them are a huge pain in the ass for me now |
| 22:34.30 | Erroneous | there was a bit of difference in expected timescales I think |
| 22:34.35 | JeffM2501 | yeah |
| 22:34.42 | Erroneous | he was saying you can do this now, you were saying we should do that sometime |
| 22:35.00 | JeffM2501 | yeah, I know what we can do now, and I know exactly why I don't do it, I'm lazy :) |
| 22:35.06 | Erroneous | yup |
| 22:35.13 | Erroneous | it's easier to change processes than people :) |
| 22:35.32 | JeffM2501 | now if only we could make a regression test for bzflag :) |
| 22:36.03 | Erroneous | I thought about it a long time ago...there's not really that much we can do effectively, and we don't have a huge problem with regressions |
| 22:37.30 | JeffM2501 | heh |
| 22:37.43 | Erroneous | side effect of GLTest is that it makes a really nifty flashcpr regression test |
| 22:37.49 | JeffM2501 | I just don't want us to keep rebuilding the regresion system for each test we decide to add |
| 22:38.13 | JeffM2501 | yeah, my point is if we had a framework, we could put stuff like GL test into it with ease |
| 22:38.19 | JeffM2501 | and keep it all managed with one system |
| 22:38.32 | Erroneous | yeah |
| 22:38.45 | JeffM2501 | and having it run on every machine here would just be wicked cool |
| 22:39.16 | Erroneous | yeah...saying hmm, I should run a regression test on this...click...go get a cup of coffee...oh look, it's done... |
| 22:39.47 | JeffM2501 | yeah and have the results in your email :) |
| 22:39.52 | Erroneous | yeah |
| 22:39.58 | JeffM2501 | with an access database atached that lets you sort and search |
| 22:40.07 | Erroneous | that'd be kinda huge |
| 22:40.16 | JeffM2501 | just of the discrepancys |
| 22:40.28 | JeffM2501 | if it's too big, it puts it in your dropbox :) |
| 22:40.35 | JeffM2501 | but that's just implemenation |
| 22:40.39 | Erroneous | ooh, if you did a database you could do regression regressions..."have I seen this problem before...oh yeah, broke it in 8.0.2..." :) |
| 22:40.46 | JeffM2501 | yeah |
| 22:41.01 | JeffM2501 | right now I can't say easy "ignore all discrepancys with this post" |
| 22:41.05 | JeffM2501 | and that happens often |
| 22:41.22 | Erroneous | yeah. db would be cool |
| 22:41.35 | JeffM2501 | we need to use more databases |
| 22:41.43 | JeffM2501 | and free drinks |
| 22:42.06 | Erroneous | it'd be neat to have an automated build and test system all at once..."here's what you broke yesterday" |
| 22:42.23 | JeffM2501 | yeah, and I think it can all be done easaly |
| 22:42.32 | Erroneous | easily is relative :) |
| 22:42.42 | JeffM2501 | well it's all doable with our current technology |
| 22:42.45 | JeffM2501 | we just have to find out how |
| 22:42.47 | Erroneous | it'd take a while to set up and test |
| 22:42.50 | JeffM2501 | yeah |
| 22:42.56 | JeffM2501 | but it'd be a good return on investment |
| 22:43.08 | Erroneous | and that is what you have to convince israel of :) |
| 22:43.20 | JeffM2501 | naw, just chris R |
| 22:43.25 | JeffM2501 | then he'll tell isy to do it |
| 22:43.27 | Erroneous | heh |
| 22:44.35 | JeffM2501 | it's be sweet if I coudl simply tell the build systems to build off a special build too |
| 22:44.39 | JeffM2501 | and have it just spit out a zip |
| 22:44.50 | JeffM2501 | then feed that zip into the regresion system and say "test this!" |
| 22:44.54 | Erroneous | heh, gonna put angela out of a job :) |
| 22:45.14 | JeffM2501 | no way, she does more with localisation then anything |
| 22:45.44 | Erroneous | ah |
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