| 00:17.34 | blast007 | ;) |
| 00:19.03 | *** join/#bzflag shorty114 (n=shorty11@unaffiliated/shorty114) |
| 00:19.14 | shorty114 | alright i'm pissed as hell |
| 00:19.21 | a_meteorite | that's nice. |
| 00:19.22 | shorty114 | that's the second time that jackass Moto Unit had banned me for no reasono |
| 00:19.43 | JeffM2501 | then take it up with the server owner, no need to rant here |
| 00:20.01 | shorty114 | yeah but i haven't seen viper in ages :o |
| 00:20.05 | shorty114 | i'll look ont he forums |
| 00:20.16 | JeffM2501 | send him a pm |
| 00:20.39 | shorty114 | yeah |
| 00:20.50 | JeffM2501 | if he dosn't admin his server well enough, then pick another. it's not like there is a shortage ;) |
| 00:21.23 | shorty114 | yeah but it's viper's server |
| 00:21.35 | shorty114 | and somehow moto unit got admin from him |
| 00:21.38 | JeffM2501 | that dosn't mean that viper picks good admins |
| 00:21.42 | JeffM2501 | so |
| 00:21.43 | shorty114 | yeah you have a point |
| 00:21.56 | shorty114 | i remember he gave everyone cop |
| 00:22.34 | shorty114 | including me |
| 00:22.43 | shorty114 | then i took a "hiatus" from bzflag and it died |
| 00:22.47 | shorty114 | but anyways |
| 00:24.11 | JeffM2501 | if he gave everyone cop, then that dosn't speak well of his admin picking ability ;) |
| 00:24.18 | shorty114 | yeah |
| 00:24.41 | shorty114 | hmm i'll try pm and if he doesn't reply in a week or so i'll email him |
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| 01:46.40 | A-Delusion | ducktape going around with ten bots |
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| 02:05.02 | JeffM2501 | so ban him |
| 02:10.11 | L4m3r | We don't own all the servers, jeff :P |
| 02:12.04 | JeffM2501 | then not much else ya can do ;) |
| 02:13.11 | L4m3r | it'd be nice to be able to disable -solo bots by default |
| 02:13.47 | JeffM2501 | make a plugin that kicks any player that is the name as a normal player, but has a number at the end :) |
| 02:13.54 | L4m3r | or at least disable them without killing autopilot |
| 02:13.58 | A-Delusion | we do have our own masterban list. though most servers don't reload it often |
| 02:14.14 | L4m3r | and as for the plugin, I'm way ahead of you... by a few months :P |
| 02:14.21 | JeffM2501 | then there ya go |
| 02:14.30 | L4m3r | same IP and "00" at the end = kick |
| 02:14.43 | L4m3r | which then brings down any subsequent bots |
| 02:14.46 | A-Delusion | i think one server has been up for 146 days, groups stopped working 2 months ago, |
| 02:14.53 | A-Delusion | world of pain |
| 02:15.50 | A-Delusion | quantum beep's server |
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| 02:16.40 | JeffM2501 | is it the botkicker2000? |
| 02:16.58 | L4m3r | oh wow, never released it |
| 02:17.02 | L4m3r | oops |
| 02:17.04 | A-Delusion | three thousand |
| 02:17.07 | L4m3r | ~lart me |
| 02:17.43 | L4m3r | botKicker.so, quick and easy. don't even remember which server I originally scribbled it out for. |
| 02:18.21 | JeffM2501 | botkicker XL denali eddition |
| 02:18.38 | L4m3r | Internet Exploder XLT |
| 02:18.45 | A-Delusion | Botkicker sie 13 |
| 02:18.49 | A-Delusion | size |
| 02:18.57 | L4m3r | botKicker type-R |
| 02:19.12 | A-Delusion | 13 EEEEEE |
| 02:19.30 | a_meteorite | ~lart botKicker |
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| 04:22.55 | AAA_awright | I always post about my work on IRC first, so listen up bzflag server administrators... |
| 04:24.13 | AAA_awright | I have created a 100% PHP solution that starts, stops, and resets your bzfs server. but wait! there is more... |
| 04:24.24 | a_meteorite | But, but, I was doing that. |
| 04:24.33 | AAA_awright | Did you do it sucessfully? |
| 04:24.46 | a_meteorite | No. Continue. |
| 04:24.53 | AAA_awright | Anyway, it also edits the configuration files and reads user /reports |
| 04:24.57 | AAA_awright | as of now. |
| 04:25.24 | a_meteorite | Cool. I need that. You open-sourcing it? |
| 04:25.30 | AAA_awright | soon... |
| 04:26.21 | AAA_awright | It is actually really cool. You can add multiple servers, and have them shar permissions automaticly, |
| 04:26.53 | JeffM2501 | it have any security features? |
| 04:27.10 | AAA_awright | I will open-source it when I add the ability for you to log in... (no, i dont have that yet) |
| 04:27.26 | JeffM2501 | you have plans for any? or leave it up to the server? |
| 04:27.28 | a_meteorite | Implement logging in and set security levels on global groups. |
| 04:27.36 | a_meteorite | At least, that's what I'd do. |
| 04:29.27 | AAA_awright | It (will) autolaticly run /reload when it changes the group files |
| 04:29.58 | AAA_awright | If all goes well, I could even implement a BZAdmin-like interface in the web browser. |
| 04:30.05 | AAA_awright | That is last, though |
| 04:31.34 | AAA_awright | Once I figured out that you had to redirect stdin AND sttdout AND output from the shell, AND run it with nohup, AND append the "&", all finally went well :) |
| 04:31.54 | JeffM2501 | so it's nix only then? |
| 04:32.18 | a_meteorite | JeffM2501: Should I add that 98% of "serious" servers use *nix? :) |
| 04:32.20 | AAA_awright | In theory, it could work in windows, but who runs big bzfs servers on windows, anyway? |
| 04:32.23 | JeffM2501 | I know |
| 04:32.47 | JeffM2501 | windows dosn't do the & thing, or nohup |
| 04:33.03 | a_meteorite | Although, adapting it would be useful to someone... if it's even worth the time... |
| 04:33.07 | JeffM2501 | I'm just sayin that if it's released, that quesion WILL come up |
| 04:33.34 | a_meteorite | Preferably I'd run a plugin of some sort that forwards info to the server and uses ajax to refresh. |
| 04:33.54 | AAA_awright | For what? |
| 04:34.12 | a_meteorite | For a bzadmin like interface online. |
| 04:34.17 | a_meteorite | Sorta like masterbot. |
| 04:34.39 | JeffM2501 | he can just login |
| 04:34.43 | AAA_awright | I could use my very own script, BZFlag_info. It can join as an observer, and so on. |
| 04:34.46 | a_meteorite | yeah |
| 04:34.47 | JeffM2501 | tho then he's dependent on protocoll |
| 04:34.56 | JeffM2501 | both ways are valid |
| 04:35.16 | AAA_awright | That is how I shut down the server, have BZFlag_info login, run /password, and /shutdownserver |
| 04:35.24 | JeffM2501 | the direct login dosn't have the API limits as well |
| 04:36.23 | AAA_awright | If I want to keep this PHP-only, i will run a PHP loop in the background, that updates a file every 1/2 second or so, and reads another file for input to run. |
| 04:36.36 | a_meteorite | That sounds hackish in a sense to me. |
| 04:37.38 | a_meteorite | That's always fun. :P |
| 04:37.57 | a_meteorite | Homework time... |
| 04:38.18 | AAA_awright | Will keep you updated, it is somthing you could use |
| 04:39.22 | AAA_awright | 100% PHP, no plugins or C :) |
| 04:40.03 | blast007 | so can BZFlag_info pull chat messages back? |
| 04:40.12 | AAA_awright | Yes |
| 04:40.15 | blast007 | neat |
| 04:40.26 | blast007 | similar so some code that I have laying around then |
| 04:40.28 | AAA_awright | I can sho you an example... somewhere here |
| 04:40.56 | blast007 | mine can track flag pickups, kills, chat, etc |
| 04:41.05 | AAA_awright | http://bzflag.redjacket.ws/source/BZFlag_Info/examples/loop.php |
| 04:41.21 | blast007 | was working player updates, but wasn't able to properly unpack the vectors |
| 04:41.26 | blast007 | working on* |
| 04:41.48 | AAA_awright | What would you need vectors for? |
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| 04:42.17 | AAA_awright | Unless you were making another bzflag client... |
| 04:42.50 | blast007 | making a 2D image every X seconds showing tank positions :) |
| 04:43.00 | AAA_awright | cool |
| 04:43.17 | blast007 | I had some code to turn a .bzw into a radar style image as well, using PHP/GD |
| 04:43.32 | blast007 | that was before the new mesh objects though |
| 04:43.34 | a_meteorite | blast007: Wow, I was thinking of something like that! |
| 04:43.37 | a_meteorite | You still got it? |
| 04:43.43 | AAA_awright | Do you have it published? at least what it is so far? |
| 04:43.59 | blast007 | a_meteorite: I think so |
| 04:44.06 | blast007 | I'd have to locate it |
| 04:44.25 | blast007 | it's probably on one of my hard drives...or maybe a USB stick |
| 04:44.27 | AAA_awright | I am still strugling with how to download the worlds |
| 04:44.37 | AAA_awright | world files.. |
| 04:44.45 | blast007 | mine just parsed a local file |
| 04:45.12 | blast007 | it also marked where world weapons were located |
| 04:45.23 | AAA_awright | Need to implement that, too... |
| 04:46.00 | AAA_awright | My script is just a clone of bzadmin, |
| 04:46.20 | blast007 | ooo, found it |
| 04:46.25 | AAA_awright | BZFlag_Loop, the extension of BZFlag_Connection, part of the BZFlag_info project |
| 04:46.38 | blast007 | bzthumb :) |
| 04:48.09 | AAA_awright | Could I see? |
| 04:49.32 | JeffM2501 | he requires payment.... in girlie giggles. |
| 04:49.47 | blast007 | http://bz.porteighty.org/downloads/bzthumb.zip |
| 04:49.48 | blast007 | heh |
| 04:50.49 | AAA_awright | http://bzflag.redjacket.ws/client/ This was my "somewhat-proof-of-concept". |
| 04:51.05 | a_meteorite | JeffM2501: That's what I run from. EEK! |
| 04:52.08 | AAA_awright | ha |
| 04:52.23 | JeffM2501 | real men can girlie giggle! |
| 04:52.45 | a_meteorite | you mean girlie man? |
| 04:52.51 | L4m3r | with helium they can... |
| 04:53.04 | JeffM2501 | hellz yeah |
| 04:53.25 | JeffM2501 | you can not be a real man unless you are secure of yourself |
| 04:54.03 | a_meteorite | Uh oh, that I haven't done. Scratch the possible future GF. |
| 04:54.27 | JeffM2501 | chicks dig the girlie giggles |
| 04:54.33 | JeffM2501 | it's why they do it so much |
| 04:54.59 | JeffM2501 | that and peeing in groups.. for some reason |
| 04:55.14 | a_meteorite | ...peeing in public...?! |
| 04:55.18 | SportChick | :x |
| 04:55.27 | a_meteorite | O_o |
| 04:56.31 | a_meteorite | You can pronounce me girlie man now. ;) |
| 04:56.50 | JeffM2501 | not in public |
| 04:56.54 | JeffM2501 | that's just silly |
| 04:57.07 | JeffM2501 | put 2 of em at a dinner table, one has to go, the other will follow |
| 04:57.14 | JeffM2501 | it's like wierd |
| 04:57.27 | JeffM2501 | sportChick what do you all do in there? |
| 04:57.41 | JeffM2501 | is there some sort of magic resort you can't tell the guys about? |
| 04:57.45 | L4m3r | lol |
| 04:58.02 | a_meteorite | rofl |
| 04:58.31 | L4m3r | they're making fun of you behind your back, Jeff |
| 04:58.34 | L4m3r | kill them! |
| 04:58.52 | JeffM2501 | why would they have to use the restroom for that? there are many better places |
| 04:58.58 | SportChick | lol JeffM2501 |
| 04:59.40 | SportChick | JeffM2501: frankly, ~I~ never understood the going to the restroom in pairs and gaggles either. The only reason might be if there is a long line - so you have someone to talk to while you waite :) |
| 04:59.51 | JeffM2501 | line? |
| 05:00.14 | JeffM2501 | why would there be a line to the restroom at anywhere but a sporting event? |
| 05:01.41 | purple_cow | JeffM2501: it's for conferences |
| 05:02.22 | JeffM2501 | heh |
| 05:02.33 | SportChick | JeffM2501: obviously you haven't been to enough public places |
| 05:02.43 | SportChick | women's restrooms ALWAYS seem to have a line |
| 05:02.50 | L4m3r | JeffM2501: females take longer for obvious reasons, so their restrooms back up |
| 05:02.51 | SportChick | it's almost like a prerequisite or something |
| 05:02.51 | JeffM2501 | ya all take too long |
| 05:03.11 | JeffM2501 | maybe if they didn't go in groups, there would be a better trafic flow |
| 05:03.14 | SportChick | JeffM2501: don't generalize :) |
| 05:03.23 | JeffM2501 | I'm just kiddin :) |
| 05:03.23 | SportChick | I'm not your "typical" gal :) |
| 05:03.36 | SportChick | yeah, but you're right in many cases :p |
| 05:03.40 | JeffM2501 | guys go swift like the wind. no eye contact |
| 05:03.49 | JeffM2501 | in out, done. like the night |
| 05:04.15 | JeffM2501 | we |
| 05:04.15 | L4m3r | unless it's *into* the wind. then there are problems. |
| 05:04.17 | JeffM2501 | we |
| 05:04.20 | JeffM2501 | gahh |
| 05:04.40 | JeffM2501 | we'd throw down a smokebomb and vanish like ninja's if it'd not set off the sprinkers |
| 05:05.00 | blast007 | JeffM2501: some might do it anyway, just cuz it would be cool |
| 05:05.10 | JeffM2501 | heh |
| 05:10.01 | SportChick | JeffM2501: btw, thanks for the help earlier |
| 05:10.18 | SportChick | I'll have a better idea on what she can look at after tuesd |
| 05:10.28 | JeffM2501 | ohh sure |
| 05:10.44 | JeffM2501 | if she's got a full grand, you can get some nice 17inch laptops for that |
| 05:11.07 | JeffM2501 | 450-500 is easy to do on a 14 |
| 05:11.34 | JeffM2501 | you can also try overstock.com |
| 05:11.40 | JeffM2501 | they can have deals as well |
| 05:15.15 | SportChick | yep |
| 05:15.24 | SportChick | well, she'll have to pay for some s/w out of that money too |
| 05:15.34 | SportChick | but as long as windows is on there, I think she's ok |
| 05:15.49 | JeffM2501 | what else does she need? office? |
| 05:15.51 | SportChick | she could do open office and then pull the other two programs off the other computer |
| 05:16.00 | SportChick | quick books and one other program I'm not familiar with |
| 05:16.29 | JeffM2501 | the dell's can be configed with real office at a hefty discount IIRC, if she needs real office |
| 05:17.45 | SportChick | JeffM2501: she probably wouldn't notice the difference, but who knows |
| 05:17.48 | SportChick | she has it on the old computer |
| 05:18.00 | SportChick | dunno if she has the actual s/w though or if it came pre-installed |
| 05:18.04 | JeffM2501 | is she going to not use the old computer anymore? |
| 05:18.17 | JeffM2501 | techicnaly all she needs is the license |
| 05:18.20 | JeffM2501 | media is easy to find |
| 05:18.44 | SportChick | well, it will be used by her kids (no 'net though) |
| 05:18.46 | JeffM2501 | aka: hint hint, wink wink. |
| 05:19.00 | JeffM2501 | then techincaly she'd have to get new licenses for the new machine |
| 05:19.08 | JeffM2501 | of any software that is to be used on both machines |
| 05:19.30 | SportChick | JeffM2501: well, I think for the most part she could pull the s/w off the old |
| 05:19.36 | SportChick | and put open office on it instead |
| 05:19.38 | SportChick | or whatever |
| 05:21.07 | blast007 | OO.o should be sufficient for home users |
| 05:21.37 | JeffM2501 | yeah, unless she needs any MS specific stuff, OO is fine |
| 05:21.44 | JeffM2501 | heck, she can make her kids use OO :) |
| 05:21.45 | blast007 | I do prefer full Microsoft Office though... it's faster |
| 05:21.57 | L4m3r | yeah, seriously |
| 05:22.25 | L4m3r | when you try to outdo M$, bloatware shouldn't be one of your objectives |
| 05:22.44 | JeffM2501 | OO will be realy cool in like 3 years |
| 05:22.53 | blast007 | yup |
| 05:22.58 | L4m3r | ...if you notice a performance difference in a word processor, something is wrong! :( |
| 05:23.10 | JeffM2501 | gimp was suposed to be realy cool this year, but they've been slacking off |
| 05:23.17 | blast007 | L4m3r: notepad loads faster than wordpad! |
| 05:23.27 | L4m3r | imo gimp is already cool :) |
| 05:23.50 | L4m3r | couple of interface greviances, but otherwise I find it very capable |
| 05:23.53 | JeffM2501 | it has many cool features, but it's interface sill needs lots of work, for it to be considered for biz work |
| 05:24.01 | JeffM2501 | yeah it's all interface |
| 05:24.23 | JeffM2501 | it's software writen by people who care more about the low end features, then how to use it, cus hey, they KNOW how to use it :) |
| 05:24.38 | JeffM2501 | they need to work that PS interface mod in, then it'll kick ass |
| 05:25.09 | L4m3r | heh |
| 05:25.23 | L4m3r | I found PS's interface a bit on the clunky side as well |
| 05:25.40 | L4m3r | the tool windows shouldn't float, it'd be nice if they docked into the side of the screen |
| 05:25.49 | JeffM2501 | OO has the majority of the functionality, and the interface is OK, but they need to optimise the hell outa it |
| 05:25.55 | L4m3r | yeah |
| 05:26.03 | SportChick | JeffM2501: that was my point - let the kids use the OO |
| 05:26.09 | blast007 | (and make VBScript's work) |
| 05:26.09 | JeffM2501 | then they need something that MS dosn't do |
| 05:26.30 | JeffM2501 | that is probably there hardest task |
| 05:26.35 | L4m3r | ribbons |
| 05:26.42 | L4m3r | MS ditched the ribbons :P |
| 05:26.50 | blast007 | Office 2007 looks pretty cool |
| 05:27.00 | blast007 | but it will be a huge change for people |
| 05:27.18 | L4m3r | that's a common complaint of most of their upcoming products |
| 05:27.34 | L4m3r | Vista, Media Center... |
| 05:27.42 | JeffM2501 | hey, masive dibilitating changes worked for apple!!! |
| 05:27.42 | blast007 | L4m3r: no, the common complaint about vista is that it will suck completely ;) |
| 05:27.49 | L4m3r | IE7 seems a tad... wonky |
| 05:28.07 | L4m3r | blast007: it doesn't seem THAT bad |
| 05:28.11 | blast007 | IE7, now with 15% less evil |
| 05:28.34 | L4m3r | Vista is a bit akward but seems to work well enough |
| 05:28.49 | L4m3r | installation is a pain though, it took forever |
| 05:29.10 | blast007 | I installed the beta on a USB hard drive, and it blue screened on boot |
| 05:29.15 | blast007 | so I had to run it in VMWare |
| 05:29.50 | L4m3r | heh |
| 05:30.12 | L4m3r | ran fine for me |
| 05:30.19 | L4m3r | on a PATA drive... |
| 05:30.41 | blast007 | I was using my lappy, and didn't want to blow away XP ;) |
| 05:30.50 | L4m3r | heh |
| 05:30.50 | blast007 | only system that had a chance of running it |
| 05:30.54 | L4m3r | I just used a spare drive |
| 05:31.06 | L4m3r | nice thing about desktops... you can leave extra parts in there |
| 05:32.24 | JeffM2501 | hah, maybe somone will buy this extra PC if I say it's "vista ready" :) |
| 05:32.58 | blast007 | "vista ready" == "powers on" |
| 05:33.12 | JeffM2501 | well and "dosn't use intel onboard video" |
| 05:33.21 | L4m3r | lol |
| 05:33.31 | blast007 | heh, seemed to work fine with a virtual graphics adapter ;) |
| 05:33.37 | JeffM2501 | it's not a bad machine, 2.8 gig celly, with a GF 6200 |
| 05:33.39 | blast007 | of course no fancy shiny gui |
| 05:33.57 | L4m3r | the fancy shiny GUI feels duct-taped on |
| 05:34.24 | blast007 | DuctTape.c |
| 05:36.13 | L4m3r | lol |
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| 14:20.25 | SportChick | wow!! |
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| 14:40.56 | brlcad | you squeezed him offline! |
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| 14:56.33 | ts | ~bzflist |
| 14:57.04 | ts | brlcad: Global login seems to be down |
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| 15:08.09 | NTH | ~bzflist |
| 15:08.25 | ts | NTH: It is down |
| 15:08.39 | NTH | ops, just seen you already did that |
| 15:09.01 | NTH | sorry |
| 15:09.28 | ruskie | :) |
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| 15:14.04 | ts | NTH: It works again |
| 15:14.18 | NTH | ts: thanks |
| 15:14.31 | ts | It was not me who changed it |
| 15:14.37 | ruskie | :) |
| 15:15.03 | NTH | ~bzflist |
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| 15:15.22 | NTH | ts: -thanks |
| 15:15.28 | ruskie | hmm |
| 15:15.33 | ts | Wiered |
| 15:16.41 | NTH | listserver :-( |
| 15:16.54 | ts | NTH: Try in-game. It works for me |
| 15:18.50 | NTH | ts: in game doesn't work for me |
| 15:18.58 | NTH | I will try later thanks |
| 15:21.36 | ts | hmm :( |
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| 16:18.24 | ibunny | no jeff and no sean :( |
| 16:18.35 | ibunny | oh there is sean. |
| 16:18.37 | brlcad | no sean? :( |
| 16:18.39 | ibunny | :***** |
| 16:18.45 | brlcad | heh |
| 16:18.55 | ibunny | si si sean. |
| 16:19.03 | ibunny | mucho rico sean ;) |
| 16:19.44 | NTH | ~bzfslist |
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| 16:19.53 | NTH | ~bzflist |
| 16:20.17 | blast007 | 233 server, and 172 players ;) |
| 16:20.23 | Erroneous | heh |
| 16:20.44 | brlcad | :) |
| 16:20.48 | Manu | hola ibunny :) |
| 16:20.57 | Manu | hola brlcad |
| 16:21.07 | brlcad | hola Manu, que tal? |
| 16:21.16 | Manu | bien, abaco de reconectar :) |
| 16:21.31 | brlcad | aha :) |
| 16:21.56 | brlcad | i think there was a switch reset, there was packet loss preceeding it |
| 16:22.01 | ibunny | manu manu |
| 16:22.13 | Manu | probably |
| 16:23.20 | ibunny | ## should be clickable |
| 16:23.22 | ibunny | grr |
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| 16:25.08 | Manu | brlcad: close to 50% of packets loss :/ |
| 16:25.26 | blast007 | ;) |
| 16:25.28 | brlcad | Manu: you're still seeing loss? |
| 16:25.36 | Manu | yes |
| 16:25.45 | Manu | 10 packets transmitted, 8 received, 20% packet loss, time 8998ms |
| 16:26.10 | Manu | is a hell to type here :/ |
| 16:26.10 | blast007 | working fine here |
| 16:26.38 | blast007 | all responses around 60ms |
| 16:26.38 | Manu | earlier it was 40% of packets loss |
| 16:26.52 | ibunny | grrr |
| 16:27.10 | brlcad | maybe a switch on your end is causing the problems ;) |
| 16:27.10 | blast007 | ah, I do have some loss |
| 16:27.17 | blast007 | 73 packets transmitted, 69 received, 5% packet loss, time 72697ms |
| 16:27.28 | Manu | brlcad: yes, sure ;) |
| 16:27.42 | orange | no loss for me |
| 16:28.01 | brlcad | they're probably still working on it |
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| 16:28.22 | brlcad | resetting a switch rarely fixes the real problem, but is often the first thing to try :) |
| 16:28.54 | Manu | and saves bandwidth for a few seconds :) |
| 16:29.00 | brlcad | heh |
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| 16:29.39 | stjepan | hi |
| 16:29.39 | blast007 | 12% loss from my work connection ;) |
| 16:29.45 | blast007 | stjepan: hello |
| 16:29.47 | Manu | hi stjepan |
| 16:29.52 | stjepan | is anyone here a cop/admin at two castles? |
| 16:29.58 | Manu | no :) |
| 16:30.05 | stjepan | Manu, you, right? |
| 16:30.22 | stjepan | I've got a problem: I got banned :( |
| 16:30.23 | Manu | are you asking it really?ç |
| 16:30.43 | stjepan | ruskie is hating me too much :( |
| 16:31.01 | stjepan | it was very uneven |
| 16:31.10 | stjepan | ruskie carried their flag so I killed him |
| 16:31.12 | Manu | and why got you banned? |
| 16:31.14 | stjepan | then he banned me |
| 16:31.21 | stjepan | Manu, what do you think of this? |
| 16:31.36 | stjepan | killed = tked |
| 16:31.48 | Manu | yes, I guessed it |
| 16:31.58 | stjepan | Manu, pls can you do anything about this? |
| 16:32.00 | Manu | well he is a cop, you don't need to kill h im |
| 16:32.16 | stjepan | huh... I just killed him :( |
| 16:32.19 | Manu | let me see |
| 16:32.25 | stjepan | he could at least warn me or something |
| 16:32.36 | L4m3r | I hear more and more complaining about uneven capping on the two castles... |
| 16:32.48 | stjepan | L4m3r, yes, that's true |
| 16:33.04 | L4m3r | it's either the cops doing it, or the cops being overzealous about enforcing the courtesy of not doing it |
| 16:33.11 | stjepan | naah, cops are ok |
| 16:33.16 | stjepan | but they are sleepign |
| 16:34.11 | Manu | stjepan: he was taking the red flag to the red team when 7vs2 |
| 16:34.52 | Manu | it's 1 week ban, next time you must talk at first |
| 16:35.19 | stjepan | Manu, pls can you unban him? |
| 16:35.19 | ibunny | ohhhh |
| 16:35.21 | stjepan | I'll excuse |
| 16:35.31 | stjepan | s/unban him/unban me |
| 16:35.34 | Manu | I must not, just pm him |
| 16:35.43 | stjepan | two weeks is too much :( |
| 16:35.48 | stjepan | or 1 week |
| 16:35.50 | stjepan | whatever |
| 16:36.05 | L4m3r | lol |
| 16:36.06 | ibunny | tissue? |
| 16:36.16 | stjepan | Manu, please? |
| 16:36.40 | Manu | this chat os not to dead about bans, just send him a message |
| 16:36.40 | L4m3r | it's just a game... one game, of over 200. who knows, you may find a new server that you like. |
| 16:37.33 | blast007 | like my server, that shares bandwidth with bittorrent |
| 16:37.55 | L4m3r | Perhaps there should be a plugin that randomly kills members of the larger team with increasing frequency as the teams get more and more uneven |
| 16:37.56 | stjepan | Manu, how? |
| 16:38.07 | stjepan | Manu, I can't join, I'm banned |
| 16:38.14 | L4m3r | PM via BZBB |
| 16:38.16 | ibunny | tissue? |
| 16:38.21 | Birdie | or irc |
| 16:38.26 | L4m3r | that too |
| 16:38.27 | stjepan | ruskie, ? |
| 16:38.38 | Manu | stjepan: wait.. |
| 16:38.46 | Birdie | (after you registered your nick or he wont be able to see your messages in pm) |
| 16:38.50 | Manu | stjepan: join now |
| 16:38.51 | stjepan | oh I'm unbanned |
| 16:38.53 | stjepan | thanks |
| 16:39.02 | stjepan | I'll excuse |
| 16:39.03 | stjepan | bye |
| 16:39.13 | Manu | and next time talk him |
| 16:39.19 | stjepan | k, cu |
| 16:39.28 | ibunny | manu q mediador eres ahora? |
| 16:39.28 | L4m3r | so, at 7v2, it'd be killing someone from the bigger team about every 15 seconds... enough of a nuisance to get people to switch |
| 16:39.47 | Manu | ibunny: jeje, sí.. también tengo que hacer eso |
| 16:39.50 | orange | I like the plugin that prevents the stronger team from carrying the weaker team's flag, myself |
| 16:40.01 | ibunny | manu dile a sean q porfavor me hable q es muy guapo :P please manu manu haha |
| 16:40.04 | orange | people get sick of it and rebalance |
| 16:40.15 | L4m3r | yeah, I do too ( ;) ) but it needs work, when I get around to it |
| 16:40.26 | orange | heh |
| 16:40.29 | L4m3r | I should just add the roulette handicap to it |
| 16:40.34 | orange | one modification to it has made it good |
| 16:40.39 | orange | it prevents only the stronger team |
| 16:40.44 | L4m3r | yeah |
| 16:40.49 | orange | and people can always carry their own |
| 16:40.51 | L4m3r | one of many options that will be worked in... |
| 16:41.03 | L4m3r | it needs a rewrite, basically |
| 16:41.05 | Manu | ibunny: qué le has hecho para que no te hable? :) |
| 16:41.22 | ibunny | no nada, si no q se demora mucho :P |
| 16:41.46 | L4m3r | I'd also like to add a "free run" option, so you can run the flag once you pick it up, even if teams get uneven while you have it |
| 16:42.33 | L4m3r | ...so the team can't just bail en masse before a capture to get their flag dropped |
| 16:43.03 | orange | the activation delay helps with that |
| 16:43.27 | ibunny | oh look another orange |
| 16:43.38 | L4m3r | the activation delay was for a completely different problem, believe it or not ;) |
| 16:43.46 | the_enemy | i've definitely played a server that has killed people if they flag carry with uneven teams |
| 16:43.51 | the_enemy | it does warn you first |
| 16:44.27 | L4m3r | without the delay the plugin gets spastic for some reason... it'd switch back and forth contsantly |
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| 16:44.42 | L4m3r | the delay forces it to wait 5 seconds and make sure it hasn't changed back again |
| 16:45.33 | orange | L4m3r: different math for determining unfair versus even again? ;-) |
| 16:46.06 | L4m3r | the math is pretty straightforward, just a straight ratio |
| 16:46.10 | Manu | brlcad: 40% now o_P |
| 16:46.11 | L4m3r | ...with some special rules |
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| 17:17.02 | brlcad | Manu: jeje ta un poco loca esa, pero dulce |
| 17:17.39 | brlcad | don't know about the packet loss other than to just wait a little and see if it clears up, I get zero here so I suspect it's some downstream router |
| 17:22.50 | Manu | I can wait :) |
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| 17:37.16 | L4m3r | typedef int foo; |
| 17:37.50 | L4m3r | sounds great if you're trying to confuse the hell out of someone XD |
| 17:38.08 | L4m3r | fortunately, the bzwtransform thingy doesn't seem to use it anywhere |
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| 18:22.53 | Erroneous | heh |
| 18:23.22 | Erroneous | if we didn't uncover any bugs, we would not be very useful :) |
| 18:23.33 | randomparticle | what is the bug? |
| 18:23.34 | JeffM2501 | and you guys are doing a good job at ait |
| 18:23.45 | JeffM2501 | all the drill CP stuff is jacked |
| 18:23.49 | JeffM2501 | and jacked BAD |
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| 18:24.13 | JeffM2501 | basicly I don't think you can realy post with .14 |
| 18:24.19 | Erroneous | heh |
| 18:24.21 | Erroneous | not holes anyway :) |
| 18:24.41 | JeffM2501 | not when it'll double scale |
| 18:25.35 | JeffM2501 | I realy wish Bill had thought the feature thru before he had us implement it |
| 18:25.46 | Erroneous | heh |
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| 20:25.27 | JeffM2501 | hah.. add more stuff to a pdf.. and it odly gets smaller |
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| 20:26.11 | blast007 | heh |
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| 20:27.35 | ts | What is "stuff"? |
| 20:27.44 | JeffM2501 | text |
| 20:27.45 | ts | It can depend on how you embed it |
| 20:27.49 | ts | ah |
| 20:27.55 | JeffM2501 | ohh I did pull 2 images |
| 20:27.56 | JeffM2501 | that must be it |
| 20:28.14 | blast007 | ;) |
| 20:28.22 | ts | It can be the images or embedding of fonts |
| 20:30.49 | JeffM2501 | I'm sure it was the images |
| 20:30.59 | JeffM2501 | forgot I yanked them |
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| 20:34.20 | Nebukadneza | hey |
| 20:34.39 | Nebukadneza | i got some probs with bzflag on gnu/linux xorg 7.1 with 'nv' as driver (on one of my 2 heads) |
| 20:34.49 | Nebukadneza | when i start bzflag i get a Could not set Video Mode: Couldn't find matching GLX visual. |
| 20:35.10 | JeffM2501 | the nv driver does not supply hardware accelerated open GL |
| 20:35.17 | JeffM2501 | you want the "nvidia" one |
| 20:35.30 | Nebukadneza | sure - which isnt free and doesnt work with xorg 7.1 |
| 20:35.43 | Nebukadneza | but is there no way to run bzflag without glx? i mean - i even ran it on vesa already |
| 20:35.51 | JeffM2501 | install mesa |
| 20:35.57 | JeffM2501 | but it'll be slow as hell |
| 20:36.08 | JeffM2501 | it's sofware GLX |
| 20:36.10 | Nebukadneza | no big problem |
| 20:36.50 | Nebukadneza | rebuilding sdl or bzflag after that? |
| 20:36.54 | JeffM2501 | nope |
| 20:37.06 | JeffM2501 | gl is a dynamic library |
| 20:37.09 | JeffM2501 | it's not compiled in |
| 20:37.10 | Nebukadneza | okay |
| 20:37.16 | Nebukadneza | thanks alot - i'll try it |
| 20:37.24 | JeffM2501 | it'll be REALY slow |
| 20:37.41 | Nebukadneza | even on a athlon 2125? i mean - there _is_ enough cpu to emulate |
| 20:37.50 | Nebukadneza | and bzflag is not the big graphics explosion |
| 20:38.14 | JeffM2501 | if you keep it to low res you'll probalby be ok |
| 20:38.29 | JeffM2501 | like 15ish frames |
| 20:38.42 | JeffM2501 | you can turn stuff off to help |
| 20:38.45 | RatOmeter | I'd be interested to know if it was usable like that... might be useful to others later |
| 20:39.05 | JeffM2501 | I'm sure at 640x480 at medium it'll be ok |
| 20:39.16 | JeffM2501 | the biger the frame buffer, the slower it'll go tho |
| 20:39.24 | JeffM2501 | as you have to shuck around a lot more data |
| 20:39.28 | Nebukadneza | aaah |
| 20:39.34 | Nebukadneza | just found out nv supports a bit of glx |
| 20:39.44 | JeffM2501 | sending the entire frame image from the cpu over the bus to the video card |
| 20:39.55 | JeffM2501 | with hardware, the card does it all, so the image never hits the bus |
| 20:40.22 | JeffM2501 | nv does have some sofware support, but it's iffy at best from what I've seen |
| 20:41.54 | JeffM2501 | says x.org 7.1 support was added in version 8774 of the real nvidia drivers |
| 20:42.09 | Nebukadneza | ooh |
| 20:42.09 | Nebukadneza | hm |
| 20:42.18 | JeffM2501 | http://www.nvidia.com/object/linux_display_ia32_1.0-8774.html |
| 20:46.23 | Nebukadneza | i missed that one - thanks though |
| 20:46.27 | Nebukadneza | i'll try to get it running |
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| 20:55.29 | Nebukadneza | yaay works |
| 20:55.30 | Nebukadneza | thanks JeffM2501 |
| 20:56.05 | JeffM2501 | cool |
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| 22:04.54 | TD-Linux | ~bz20cvs |
| 22:05.14 | ibot | cvs -d :pserver:anonymous@cvs.bzflag.org:/cvsroot/bzflag co -P -r v2_0branch bzflag |
| 22:05.14 | TD-Linux | ~bz2.0cvs |
| 22:05.16 | TD-Linux | ~bzcvs |
| 22:05.19 | ibot | cvs -d :pserver:anonymous@cvs.bzflag.org:/cvsroot/bzflag co -P bzflag (this is for HEAD ie: 2.1 see also bz20cvs) |
| 22:05.19 | TD-Linux | ... |
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| 23:01.11 | JeffM2501 | what's a good name for a short range, in system cargo transport spaceship? |
| 23:01.22 | a_meteorite | ummm |
| 23:04.33 | Erroneous | "short range intrasystem cargo transport" |
| 23:04.47 | Erroneous | SRICT? |
| 23:04.58 | JeffM2501 | no, like the idividual ship name |
| 23:05.05 | JeffM2501 | like "titanic" |
| 23:05.17 | Erroneous | "short range intrasystem cargo transport #1153" |
| 23:05.25 | Erroneous | ;) |
| 23:05.28 | JeffM2501 | bahh.. where is the fun in that :) |
| 23:05.51 | tannerld | lol |
| 23:10.13 | Erroneous | what kind of attitude does it have? if it's a snobby cargo hauler, it might be named after somebody famous. if it's a garbage truck, it might be a bit more earthy... |
| 23:10.46 | JeffM2501 | space trucker! |
| 23:11.11 | JeffM2501 | that's willing to smugle in some alliance operatives, for the right price |
| 23:11.23 | Erroneous | hmm |
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| 23:27.22 | JeffM2501 | Erroneous, your right, my grammar is horible |
| 23:28.30 | Erroneous | "you're" |
| 23:28.32 | Erroneous | :) |
| 23:28.54 | Erroneous | grammar can be fixed though |
| 23:29.01 | Erroneous | a broken story is harder to fix |
| 23:29.05 | JeffM2501 | yeah |
| 23:29.20 | JeffM2501 | I'm changing a couple small parts to make it flow better |
| 23:29.32 | Erroneous | cool |
| 23:29.39 | a_meteorite | j00 411 5uckkk @ grammer ;) |
| 23:29.42 | a_meteorite | heh. |
| 23:30.58 | JeffM2501 | some of the sentances just don't flow right |
| 23:31.10 | Theme97 | Why does BZFlag seem to lag more when the quality is low/medium on some computers? |
| 23:31.32 | JeffM2501 | many cards don't do the stuff that low does well |
| 23:31.46 | JeffM2501 | they are optimised for the stuff modern games do |
| 23:31.56 | JeffM2501 | like z buffers, and textures. |
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| 23:50.59 | SportChick | JeffM2501: pm pls |