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`00:06.42`	`t7`	`Zzzz`
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`00:49.18`	`Gnurdux`	`a_temp_dist, did you get a chance to try the plugin?`
`00:50.29`	`a_temp_dist`	`meteor has been too busy - and the other person with root on that server just got a job... I guess we'll wait till they have tim`
`00:50.32`	`a_temp_dist`	`time`
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`02:18.43`	`spldart`	`Peek_a_boo`
`02:19.09`	`supertanker`	`what?`
`02:19.38`	`spldart`	`nuttan`
`02:20.00`	`meno_hiding`	`shhhh`
`02:20.07`	`supertanker`	`why can't someone make an easy to use linux modem driver? :( I am so sick of slmodem`
`02:20.18`	`meno_hiding`	`MODEM !?!?`
`02:20.27`	`meno_hiding`	`:)`
`02:20.34`	`spldart`	`OMG`
`02:20.48`	`DTRemenak`	`supertanker: get a hardware modem`
`02:20.51`	`DTRemenak`	`winmodems suck`
`02:20.56`	`supertanker`	`I have a hardware modem.`
`02:21.03`	`DTRemenak`	`then you don't need any driver at all`
`02:21.04`	`supertanker`	`I think.`
`02:21.18`	`spldart`	`hardware modem, OUTSIDE, the compy`
`02:21.19`	`DTRemenak`	`you can just use /dev/ttyS0, or whatever port it's on`
`02:21.22`	`spldart`	`then router`
`02:21.24`	`spldart`	`muwahahaha`
`02:21.24`	`supertanker`	`why can't all the modem manufactures agree on one thing that works on all OSs?`
`02:21.28`	`supertanker`	`there are dialup routers?`
`02:21.32`	`DTRemenak`	`they do`
`02:21.36`	`spldart`	`hrm`
`02:21.38`	`spldart`	`idsn`
`02:21.40`	`spldart`	`hehe`
`02:21.42`	`DTRemenak`	`heh`
`02:21.46`	`spldart`	`oops`
`02:21.47`	`spldart`	`isdn`
`02:22.04`	`DTRemenak`	`every OS worth anything can interface with a serial port and establish a ppp connection`
`02:22.13`	`DTRemenak`	`that's what a hardware modem will let you do`
`02:22.20`	`supertanker`	`assuming I have a hardware modem`
`02:22.28`	`supertanker`	`Does my new computer even have one?`
`02:22.30`	`DTRemenak`	`the hayes commandset is virtually universal`
`02:22.49`	`DTRemenak`	`if you didn't make darn sure you were buying a hardware modem, you probably have a winmodem`
`02:22.52`	`spldart`	`for a cat5 jack`
`02:22.53`	`supertanker`	`erm...my computer doesn't have a serial port`
`02:22.53`	`DTRemenak`	`thus the need for drivers`
`02:23.09`	`DTRemenak`	`then get a usb->serial adapter`
`02:23.29`	`spldart`	`eeeeyyuuuuwwwaaaahhh`
`02:23.47`	`DTRemenak`	`or get a true hardware usb modem, that will actually take AT commands over the usb connection (there are a vanishingly small number that will actually do this)`
`02:23.48`	`supertanker`	`It was working when I had FC4, dangit.`
`02:24.06`	`supertanker`	`I'm going to get mad if I cannot find a better driver`
`02:24.13`	`DTRemenak`	`or get a hardware pci modem that will actually map itself onto a serial port`
`02:24.22`	`supertanker`	`.`
`02:24.31`	`supertanker`	`lets pretend I have no idea what you are talking about`
`02:24.42`	`spldart`	`heh`
`02:25.04`	`DTRemenak`	`you don't need a physical 25-pin or 9-pin serial port to have the os recognize a device as a serial device`
`02:25.21`	`supertanker`	`now where can I GET one?`
`02:25.36`	`DTRemenak`	`a pci board can choose to use the correct hardware i/o address to map onto where a serial port would normally be`
`02:25.45`	`DTRemenak`	`any reasonable computer store, or online`
`02:25.59`	`DTRemenak`	`you usually can tell the hardware modems because they cost twice as much`
`02:26.13`	`supertanker`	`you lost me at the "i/o" part`
`02:26.14`	`DTRemenak`	`but it always pays to check the box`
`02:26.18`	`supertanker`	`hah. Lol`
`02:27.01`	`supertanker`	`Mine says "56K USB software modem"`
`02:27.08`	`supertanker`	`I wonder what that could be`
`02:27.11`	`DTRemenak`	`software means not hardware ;)`
`02:27.35`	`spldart`	`mmMMmm virtual device... methinks`
`02:28.11`	`DTRemenak`	`yup`
`02:29.02`	`DTRemenak`	`what you actually paid for was one chip that does almost nothing (probably just usb protocol stuff), and a few wires. your computer has to actually do all the work...thus creating cpu load, and requiring sophisticated and proprietary drivers`
`02:29.15`	`supertanker`	`for the cpu load part`
`02:29.17`	`supertanker`	`I don't really care`
`02:29.22`	`supertanker`	`but for the drivers....`
`02:29.25`	`spldart`	`it is a small load`
`02:29.32`	`supertanker`	`on a big processor`
`02:29.55`	`spldart`	`the drivers are a leash though :(`
`02:30.00`	`DTRemenak`	`cpu load created by a freaking modem is almost nothing compared to modern computing capabilities. that, coupled with the price, is why winmodems are popular`
`02:30.04`	`supertanker`	`when they don't compile`
`02:32.39`	`supertanker`	`I think I'll go punch a hole in the wall out of anger or something`
`02:32.47`	`spldart`	`:~(`
`02:34.05`	`supertanker`	`owww`
`02:37.07`	`supertanker`	`i've got to find something better to do with my life than to idle on IRC`
`02:37.13`	`supertanker`	`maybe i'll take up drawing.`
`02:37.16`	`supertanker`	`or become a guitarist`
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`02:39.35`	`blast007`	`or learn to use a katana and become a ninja, and kill thousands of warriors, then retire as a peacful monk`
`02:40.06`	`supertanker`	`yeah`
`02:40.08`	`a_meteorite`	`:\|`
`02:40.10`	`supertanker`	`sounds great`
`02:40.24`	`supertanker`	`So...where can I find thousands of warriors?`
`02:40.43`	`a_meteorite`	`Iraq`
`02:40.44`	`a_meteorite`	`;)`
`02:41.07`	`a_meteorite`	`be the hero and kill all the guerrillas`
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`02:41.40`	`supertanker`	`um no`
`02:41.50`	`blast007`	`you have to kill other ninjas`
`02:41.55`	`blast007`	`it's the only way`
`02:41.56`	`supertanker`	`there is already enough going on over there without me helping`
`02:42.17`	`a_meteorite`	`does the mafia count as ninjas? ;)`
`02:42.24`	`supertanker`	`okay, i'll just go into town, ask where all the ninjas are.`
`02:43.14`	`supertanker`	`seriously though...I need something better to do`
`02:43.30`	`supertanker`	`I still think being an artist/guitarist would be fun`
`02:44.23`	`supertanker`	`then I could annoy the heck out of my neighbors, who I REALLY don't like`
`02:44.36`	`a_meteorite`	`kill them with your ninja skills!`
`02:44.45`	`PuMpErNiCkLe`	`Get a double-neck electric guitar and a big amp.`
`02:44.49`	`spldart`	`A running man may cut a thousand throats in a night`
`02:45.01`	`blast007`	`get a guitar with a built-in katana`
`02:45.09`	`supertanker`	`is it just me or is there the ninja fever going around?`
`02:45.10`	`spldart`	`How desperado`
`02:45.19`	`Gnurdux`	`a_meteorite: a_temp_dist wants you to compile mapcahnge`
`02:45.32`	`a_meteorite`	`and I don't have mapchange`
`02:45.48`	`a_meteorite`	`nice, eh?`
`02:46.34`	`CIA-6`	`opencombat: 03jeffm2501 * 10PowerPainter/ (9 files in 2 dirs): UV modification dialog`
`02:46.46`	`supertanker`	`what?`
`02:47.47`	`Gnurdux`	`a_meteorite: http://gnurdux.homelinux.net/openleaguebz/bzflag/plugins/mapchange`
`02:50.51`	`CIA-6`	`opencombat: 03jeffm2501 * 10PowerPainter/samples/waldoworld.structure: sample file ( frog blast the vent core! )`
`02:51.14`	`PuMpErNiCkLe`	`...frog blast...`
`02:51.45`	`supertanker`	`someone plays Halo I think`
`02:52.07`	`JeffM2501`	`learn your history supertanker`
`02:52.14`	`supertanker`	`about what.`
`02:52.18`	`JeffM2501`	`halo`
`02:52.28`	`supertanker`	`I know who Frogblast is`
`02:52.33`	`JeffM2501`	`LOL`
`02:52.39`	`JeffM2501`	`who.... riiiggghhhhtttt`
`02:52.53`	`JeffM2501`	`like I said, learn your history`
`02:52.53`	`supertanker`	`if you mean mr. I can go anywhere in any map at any time`
`02:53.06`	`JeffM2501`	`no no.`
`02:53.17`	`JeffM2501`	`learn where halo came from`
`02:53.21`	`supertanker`	`ah`
`02:54.56`	`JeffM2501`	`it wasn't exactly bungie's first game ya know`
`02:55.01`	`supertanker`	`I really need to find something to do better than sitting around on IRC`
`02:55.17`	`supertanker`	`Yes I know it wasn't bungie's first game. I've been thinking about finding some of their older ones`
`02:55.19`	`JeffM2501`	`bet you don't even know Bob`
`02:55.40`	`supertanker`	`If you mean a bob releated to bungie`
`02:55.41`	`supertanker`	`then no`
`02:55.56`	`JeffM2501`	`many bobs`
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`02:56.37`	`supertanker`	`I think i'll go learn to draw`
`02:56.46`	`supertanker`	`or do something productive with my life`
`02:57.00`	`JeffM2501`	`have fun`
`02:57.03`	`a_meteorite`	`supertanker: O, help me with my drawing skills!`
`02:57.08`	`a_meteorite`	`:P`
`02:57.10`	`supertanker`	`what?`
`02:57.22`	`supertanker`	`I said learn to draw`
`02:57.23`	`a_meteorite`	`they're really bad. I'm the slowest and worst in art class`
`02:57.24`	`supertanker`	`as in:L`
`02:57.25`	`a_meteorite`	`oh :(`
`02:57.31`	`supertanker`	`I cannot draw worth crap`
`02:59.17`	`supertanker`	`anyone know any good sites to learn to draw, or books?`
`02:59.20`	`supertanker`	`too lazy to google it`
`02:59.26`	`blast007`	`...`
`02:59.32`	`JeffM2501`	`then you are too lazy to draw`
`03:00.10`	`supertanker`	`i'm drawing right now`
`03:00.19`	`JeffM2501`	`then there ya go`
`03:00.25`	`PuMpErNiCkLe`	`o\|-<`
`03:00.25`	`supertanker`	`not that the whateveritis on the paper looks like the mug on the table`
`03:00.31`	`PuMpErNiCkLe`	`It's a drawing of a stickman.`
`03:01.20`	`supertanker`	`lol`
`03:01.30`	`Gnurdux`	`a_meteorite, then why take art?`
`03:01.36`	`JeffM2501`	`art is best done in person, just take an art class`
`03:01.46`	`a_meteorite`	`cause I need two electives and colleges want to see a creative art`
`03:02.02`	`a_meteorite`	`just cause I do bad in it doesn't mean it's the end of the world :)`
`03:02.06`	`Gnurdux`	`heh`
`03:02.08`	`a_meteorite`	`as long as I get at least a B+ I'm happy`
`03:02.10`	`supertanker`	`that's hard when you're homeschooled and live 20 miles from town`
`03:02.21`	`a_meteorite`	`actually I live 2 miles away from the HS`
`03:02.36`	`a_meteorite`	`and I'm not homeschooled anymore..`
`03:02.42`	`JeffM2501`	`the figure it out.`
`03:02.56`	`a_meteorite`	`I used to be in a "real school", just not lately`
`03:03.15`	`supertanker`	`maybe HIS has an art class`
`03:03.26`	`supertanker`	`oh well`
`03:03.31`	`supertanker`	`i'm off to do something productive`
`03:03.55`	`a_meteorite`	`good-luck :)`
`03:04.16`	`Gnurdux`	`which unfortuanately means i have 8 periods :(`
`03:04.24`	`a_meteorite`	`:\|`
`03:04.27`	`Gnurdux`	`so school is 7:25 to 3:00`
`03:04.38`	`Gnurdux`	`now that would be fine if the extra period was a decent class`
`03:04.38`	`a_meteorite`	`I'm crying about 6 periods.. good luck to you too`
`03:04.41`	`Gnurdux`	`but its R&E`
`03:04.56`	`Gnurdux`	`"Research and Experimentation"`
`03:05.09`	`Gnurdux`	`it even has a BS name, and its a totally BS class`
`03:05.12`	`JeffM2501`	`well when you have a real job, it'll be 8 to 5, sow hat's the big deal?`
`03:05.21`	`Gnurdux`	`on monday we're gonna start building towers out of popsicle sticks`
`03:05.52`	`Gnurdux`	`JeffM2501, i have 50 minutes more of school than "normal" high school students in my county`
`03:06.11`	`JeffM2501`	`so`
`03:06.20`	`Gnurdux`	`lol`
`03:06.21`	`JeffM2501`	`if you didn't want it, then why choose it?`
`03:06.36`	`Gnurdux`	`its not a good enough reason not to do it`
`03:06.40`	`Gnurdux`	`just annoying`
`03:06.44`	`JeffM2501`	`then shuddap ;)`
`03:06.47`	`Gnurdux`	`lol`
`03:06.55`	`JeffM2501`	`you made your bed.. sleep in it`
`03:07.01`	`Gnurdux`	`also, the 8th period somehow makes the bus schedules work`
`03:07.15`	`a_meteorite`	`JeffM2501: my mom forced me :P`
`03:07.33`	`Gnurdux`	`a_meteorite: what state are you in?`
`03:07.36`	`Gnurdux`	`or region`
`03:07.37`	`a_meteorite`	`CA`
`03:07.40`	`Gnurdux`	`california`
`03:07.44`	`Gnurdux`	`do they have good schools?`
`03:07.54`	`a_meteorite`	`yeah, but the kids aren't`
`03:08.01`	`Gnurdux`	`hehe`
`03:08.09`	`a_meteorite`	`I so don't fit in`
`03:08.20`	`Gnurdux`	`in what way?`
`03:08.27`	`a_meteorite`	`every way`
`03:08.37`	`a_meteorite`	`cause I don't have "the look" or "the talk" etc etc`
`03:08.45`	`a_meteorite`	`which I just want to be myself`
`03:08.46`	`a_meteorite`	`normal.`
`03:08.49`	`Gnurdux`	`hmmm`
`03:08.56`	`spldart`	`hmmm`
`03:09.29`	`Gnurdux`	`cause your religious and all that, but still seem sort of nerdy`
`03:09.51`	`a_meteorite`	`oh, the kids would make fun of me for sure if I talked about religion`
`03:09.54`	`Gnurdux`	`someone i know is sort of like that, but he can be really stupid sometimes`
`03:09.57`	`a_meteorite`	`I haven't even mentioned it`
`03:10.02`	`Gnurdux`	`thats a good choice`
`03:10.04`	`a_meteorite`	`just no one talks to me`
`03:10.11`	`a_meteorite`	`no hi. nothing. just stuck up kids.`
`03:10.15`	`JeffM2501`	`do you talk to them?`
`03:10.23`	`a_meteorite`	`no.. cause they aren't normal`
`03:10.31`	`Gnurdux`	`or not what you're used to`
`03:10.34`	`JeffM2501`	`so it's circular logic`
`03:10.39`	`a_meteorite`	`if anything, I would rather have friends with someone who isn't trying to be someone they're not`
`03:10.44`	`spldart`	`What is normal anywho`
`03:10.51`	`a_meteorite`	`trying to be what you're not, spldart`
`03:10.55`	`Gnurdux`	`a_meteorite: a lot of people do that`
`03:10.58`	`a_meteorite`	`or trying to make yourself seem better than you really are`
`03:11.02`	`spldart`	`I'm everything... and nothing`
`03:11.05`	`Gnurdux`	`besides, if you don't talk to anyone, you cant really tell`
`03:11.14`	`Gnurdux`	`i talk to everyone... and piss a lot of people off`
`03:11.20`	`a_meteorite`	`I haven't had the courage to talk to most people`
`03:11.21`	`spldart`	`w0rd`
`03:11.27`	`a_meteorite`	`really afraid to say anything to the girls`
`03:11.27`	`JeffM2501`	`a_meteorite, everyone does that to some extent, so that is what is 'normal';)`
`03:11.39`	`JeffM2501`	`in school everyone is still trying to figure out who they are`
`03:11.47`	`spldart`	`@%^ I seem to piss people off without even talking to them ;)`
`03:11.48`	`Gnurdux`	`lol girls in high school are scary`
`03:11.51`	`a_meteorite`	`I guess it's part my problem, but the upper majority are not who I would want to be friends with`
`03:12.01`	`Gnurdux`	`never say anything to a girl if they don't say something to you first`
`03:12.11`	`JeffM2501`	`a_meteorite, and if you prejudge them like that, they will never be`
`03:12.23`	`a_meteorite`	`Gnurdux: yeah, well try sitting by yourself during break`
`03:12.33`	`a_meteorite`	`and any other time during school`
`03:12.41`	`Gnurdux`	`a_meteorite: the best strategy: look around for somkeone else sitting by themself`
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`03:12.49`	`a_meteorite`	`I've spotted one :)`
`03:12.55`	`Gnurdux`	`hehe "themself" is a new english word`
`03:12.56`	`a_meteorite`	`I haven't got the courage yet`
`03:13.00`	`Gnurdux`	`then, you can say hi`
`03:13.10`	`Gnurdux`	`people who sit by themselves are often cool people`
`03:13.40`	`spldart`	`but not always :eek:`
`03:13.41`	`Gnurdux`	`well it depends WHY they are sitting by themself`
`03:13.46`	`spldart`	`Yep`
`03:13.47`	`Gnurdux`	`for example, if its because they are an evil sociopath, thats not good`
`03:13.51`	`a_meteorite`	`lol`
`03:13.59`	`spldart`	`Sometimes they are sharpening their knives under that folder`
`03:14.11`	`a_meteorite`	`I saw one in a tie and a briefcas`
`03:14.19`	`a_meteorite`	`;)`
`03:14.21`	`Gnurdux`	`also: you can tell a LOT about someone from their facial expression`
`03:14.37`	`spldart`	`My facial expresion says sociopath`
`03:14.46`	`Gnurdux`	`lol`
`03:14.48`	`spldart`	`Who can't spell\`
`03:14.56`	`Gnurdux`	`expresion`
`03:14.58`	`spldart`	`;-)`
`03:15.24`	`JeffM2501`	`mine says "he has gas"`
`03:15.47`	`spldart`	`My second wife has always said... 'Women are evil... Pass the beer nuts"`
`03:16.28`	`spldart`	`LOL @ cholicy Jeff`
`03:17.33`	`a_temp_dist`	`Gnurdux, a_meteorite - mapchange is working now, thx`
`03:17.43`	`Gnurdux`	`cool`
`03:17.50`	`Gnurdux`	`the script works?`
`03:18.26`	`Gnurdux`	`a_temp_dist: any ideas of plugins mofo might want? i havent coded anything for awhile`
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`03:19.10`	`Gnurdux`	`well except for a thing related to what i'm doing in computer science class (but which isn't an assignment, just did it to show off to the teacher)`
`03:19.23`	`a_temp_dist`	`I've been looking for a plug that will limit WG - turn the shots from WG into zoned shots under X altitude`
`03:19.39`	`a_temp_dist`	`so WG can only kill other WG in the air`
`03:19.53`	`a_meteorite`	`norang has a similar bzfs mod (but different purpose) on the olympics server`
`03:19.58`	`Gnurdux`	`yea`
`03:20.00`	`Gnurdux`	`hmm`
`03:20.11`	`Gnurdux`	`yea that should be really easy`
`03:20.15`	`a_temp_dist`	`L4m3r has sort of been working on an idea for that - but he's been away from his production compy for a while`
`03:20.24`	`Gnurdux`	`ill do just that now if you want`
`03:20.37`	`a_temp_dist`	`sure that'd be great`
`03:20.41`	`a_meteorite`	`Gnurdux: any ideas how to introduce yourself to a girl? :P`
`03:20.43`	`Gnurdux`	`wgLimit`
`03:20.50`	`JeffM2501`	`say hi`
`03:20.55`	`a_temp_dist`	`just say Hi - then RUN AWAY!`
`03:20.59`	`Gnurdux`	`a_meteorite: well see there are some girls who i've semi-known since middle school`
`03:21.06`	`Gnurdux`	`but basically: dont really`
`03:21.13`	`Gnurdux`	`girls can pick up on who you are`
`03:21.14`	`a_meteorite`	`:P`
`03:21.31`	`Gnurdux`	`someone who you htink you've never seen before turns out to know stuff you dont remember telling anyone`
`03:21.52`	`a_meteorite`	`hmm?`
`03:22.04`	`a_meteorite`	`how?`
`03:22.22`	`Gnurdux`	`a_meteorite, you tell someone, and somehow they remember it about you`
`03:22.29`	`Gnurdux`	`girls have amazing social skills`
`03:22.37`	`a_meteorite`	`I know, it's amazing`
`03:22.38`	`spldart`	`meh`
`03:22.41`	`Gnurdux`	`like the opposite of me`
`03:23.02`	`spldart`	`girls have amazing gossip skillaz`
`03:24.12`	`Gnurdux`	`that too`
`03:25.37`	`spldart`	`poop... why understate.. they have mad 7331 go55!p ski11@2`
`03:26.09`	`spldart`	`I've seen more fights derive from girl talk in the last 10 years than guy talk 8-0`
`03:26.40`	`spldart`	`My neighbors are perfect examples :)`
`03:27.01`	`a_meteorite`	`but wouldn't it be really weird to say hi to someone who has never said a word to you..? or is that normal?`
`03:27.20`	`spldart`	`Everything is akward when your young`
`03:27.43`	`JeffM2501`	`it's how people meet, just get over it :)`
`03:27.54`	`a_meteorite`	`yeah, you're right`
`03:28.00`	`JeffM2501`	`just don't say "you shure got a purdy mouth"`
`03:28.06`	`spldart`	`lol`
`03:28.13`	`JeffM2501`	`dosn't go over so well`
`03:28.14`	`a_meteorite`	`that wouldn't be good ;)`
`03:28.38`	`spldart`	`'you look finer than a new set of snow tires'`
`03:28.55`	`a_temp_dist`	`Gnurdux: is there a server that I can look at a sample "changemap help file" ?`
`03:29.09`	`Gnurdux`	`hmmm`
`03:29.17`	`Gnurdux`	`you mean on how to set it up or how to use?`
`03:29.24`	`a_temp_dist`	`use it`
`03:29.28`	`Gnurdux`	`thats easy`
`03:29.30`	`a_temp_dist`	`help in game`
`03:29.37`	`Gnurdux`	`ohh`
`03:29.46`	`Gnurdux`	`check out the open league site/servers`
`03:29.52`	`a_temp_dist`	`right, I just want to see the wording, if it exists already`
`03:29.55`	`Gnurdux`	`but using it is like: /maplist`
`03:29.56`	`a_temp_dist`	`OK will do`
`03:30.01`	`Gnurdux`	`/mapchange <entry>`
`03:30.04`	`Gnurdux`	`/maprandom`
`03:30.06`	`Gnurdux`	`i thinnk thats it`
`03:30.10`	`a_temp_dist`	`cool`
`03:31.11`	`a_temp_dist`	`can it be polled? ie /poll mapchange hunt`
`03:32.47`	`Gnurdux`	`no`
`03:32.51`	`Gnurdux`	`APIs fault not mine`
`03:33.04`	`Gnurdux`	`a generic poll would be really cool to implement`
`03:33.04`	`a_meteorite`	`you could make an artificial poll, Gnurdux`
`03:33.05`	`a_temp_dist`	`i blame the API then`
`03:33.12`	`a_meteorite`	`as in, your own`
`03:33.14`	`Gnurdux`	`for 2.1`
`03:33.23`	`Gnurdux`	`but i couldn't use /poll`
`03:33.27`	`a_meteorite`	`no`
`03:33.33`	`a_meteorite`	`but you could do /mapchange poll blah`
`03:33.39`	`Gnurdux`	`anyways im making wgLimit`
`03:33.41`	`a_meteorite`	`and /mapchange vote yes\|no`
`03:34.51`	`Gnurdux`	`is the up direction pos[1] or pos[2] JeffM2501 ?`
`03:34.53`	`a_temp_dist`	`you'd need two level of perms to so that then right?`
`03:35.00`	`JeffM2501`	`2`
`03:35.02`	`Gnurdux`	`probably`
`03:35.03`	`JeffM2501`	`z is up`
`03:35.05`	`Gnurdux`	`ok`
`03:35.16`	`Gnurdux`	`thnx`
`03:35.22`	`CIA-6`	`opencombat: 03jeffm2501 * 10PowerPainter/ (6 files):`
`03:35.22`	`CIA-6`	`opencombat: add the last polygon of each cell to the cell before we add it to the world, don't`
`03:35.22`	`CIA-6`	`opencombat: want to go losing faces`
`03:35.22`	`CIA-6`	`opencombat: add OBJ export`
`03:37.27`	`Gnurdux`	`http://gnurdux.homelinux.net/bzplugins/wgLimit/`
`03:37.36`	`Gnurdux`	`a_temp_dist, :P`
`03:37.40`	`Gnurdux`	`try it out, i havent tested it`
`03:37.48`	`Gnurdux`	`it takes 1 argument, max altitude`
`03:37.49`	`a_temp_dist`	`what took you so long? :)`
`03:37.50`	`Gnurdux`	`actually, wait`
`03:38.00`	`Gnurdux`	`lemme change 1 thing`
`03:38.13`	`Gnurdux`	`ok try now`
`03:38.51`	`a_temp_dist`	`above the max alt, the shots are normal, below they are zoned?`
`03:40.42`	`Gnurdux`	`thats what is supposed to happen :)`
`03:40.46`	`Gnurdux`	`now will it?`
`03:40.47`	`Gnurdux`	`i doubt it`
`03:41.11`	`a_temp_dist`	`heh - well what did you make then>`
`03:42.23`	`Gnurdux`	`just try it`
`03:42.31`	`Gnurdux`	`the code i wrote SHOULKD do that`
`03:42.35`	`Gnurdux`	`but i havent tested it`
`03:42.37`	`Gnurdux`	`im letting you do that`
`03:42.42`	`a_temp_dist`	`i'll try it now`
`03:45.47`	`Gnurdux`	`tell me if it seems to work`
`03:45.57`	`Gnurdux`	`and/or test server address`
`03:47.01`	`a_temp_dist`	`bzfscron: stage 2 connection to server failed`
`03:47.07`	`a_temp_dist`	`wait`
`03:47.15`	`a_temp_dist`	`Plugin:wgLimit.so not found, error wgLimit.so: cannot open shared object file: No such file or directory`
`03:47.45`	`Gnurdux`	`try: ./wgLimit.so`
`03:47.48`	`a_temp_dist`	`i cannot build the plugin on that server, so I just tried to load the .so you provided`
`03:48.05`	`Gnurdux`	`remember, if its in the current directory you have to do ./`
`03:48.34`	`Gnurdux`	`and why cant you build it? im sure you have access to a compiler`
`03:49.38`	`a_temp_dist`	`right`
`03:50.21`	`Gnurdux`	`did you get it to load?`
`03:52.09`	`a_temp_dist`	`not yet - no response to /loadplugin ./wgLimit.so`
`03:52.24`	`a_temp_dist`	`I'm going to restart it with more debugging`
`03:52.59`	`Gnurdux`	`a_temp_dist: also remember it needs an argument`
`03:53.01`	`Gnurdux`	`try:`
`03:53.08`	`a_temp_dist`	`doh`
`03:53.10`	`Gnurdux`	`bzfs -loadplugin ./wgLimit.so,50`
`03:55.12`	`Gnurdux`	`a_temp_dist`
`03:55.23`	`a_temp_dist`	`working on it - sry i'm slow`
`03:59.53`	`a_temp_dist`	`bzflag.blackhole.cx:4267`
`04:00.25`	`Gnurdux`	`its down`
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`04:01.33`	`a_temp_dist`	`huh-that's really weird`
`04:02.13`	`a_temp_dist`	`well I'll keep trying it`
`04:03.49`	`Gnurdux`	`can you connect?`
`04:04.08`	`a_temp_dist`	`yes, but it gets really laggy - lemme try somthing else quick`
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`04:12.45`	`Gnurdux`	`a_temp_dist, got it workin`
`04:12.48`	`Gnurdux`	`?`
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`04:15.28`	`a_temp_dist`	`pretty sure I have it loaded on temporal.game-host.org:4336`
`04:20.34`	`a_temp_dist`	`yea - it works great`
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`04:42.35`	`a_meteorite`	`JeffM2501: ping`
`04:42.39`	`JeffM2501`	`?`
`04:43.14`	`a_meteorite`	`how would one find out what xfree86 is using as a driver for onboard? I set it to a sis module, but bzflag says it's using mesa glx...`
`04:43.24`	`a_meteorite`	`and xfree86 does load. :\`
`04:43.45`	`JeffM2501`	`open GL and the X driver are not always the same thing`
`04:43.48`	`a_meteorite`	`I see`
`04:44.02`	`a_meteorite`	`so I would need SiS's driver?`
`04:44.04`	`JeffM2501`	`just cus your using a SiS driver dosn't mean that driver has a GLX component that does hardware GL`
`04:44.11`	`JeffM2501`	`you would need a SiS GLX driver`
`04:44.14`	`a_meteorite`	`ah`
`04:44.15`	`JeffM2501`	`if one even exists`
`04:44.22`	`a_meteorite`	`I doubt it :)`
`04:44.27`	`JeffM2501`	`X11 is just 2d`
`04:44.42`	`a_meteorite`	`k, thanks`
`04:44.43`	`JeffM2501`	`is it the unichrome stuff?`
`04:44.48`	`a_meteorite`	`no`
`04:44.52`	`a_meteorite`	`sis 620. it's really old.`
`04:45.01`	`JeffM2501`	`then DRI may support it`
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`05:00.04`	`Shaba1`	`Hello anyone here?`
`05:02.30`	`JeffM2501`	`yes`
`05:05.36`	`Shaba1`	`Hey JeffM2501 do you know if there is anywhere I can get a pdf that had the bzflag keybord mappings and a radar legend.`
`05:05.49`	`JeffM2501`	`none exists that I am aware of`
`05:05.53`	`Shaba1`	`I finally got it to work on my own machine thanks to the help of the people here`
`05:06.02`	`JeffM2501`	`they key map are in the software ( most of them )`
`05:06.37`	`Shaba1`	`I know. I meant something I could print out and lay alongside my keyboard until I get familiar.`
`05:06.47`	`JeffM2501`	`I know what oyu meant, none exists`
`05:07.01`	`JeffM2501`	`the only thing we have is the inteface for seting the keys up in game`
`05:07.12`	`Shaba1`	`Oh well. then this looks like a job for......`
`05:07.14`	`JeffM2501`	`and that isn't realy a document that we can print`
`05:07.16`	`Shaba1`	`<--------------`
`05:07.31`	`Shaba1`	`:)`
`05:09.26`	`a_temp_dist`	`Shaba1: here's a pretty good Keys and Commands page from SportChick`
`05:09.27`	`a_temp_dist`	`http://www.kirkanddonna.com/kirk/bzflag/BZFlagKeys.htm`
`05:09.53`	`a_temp_dist`	`it may be a little out of date - but it has the basics`
`05:09.56`	`SportChick`	`actually, it's from mozul`
`05:10.00`	`SportChick`	`and it's very out of date :)`
`05:10.06`	`a_temp_dist`	`ah`
`05:10.17`	`a_temp_dist`	`the other half :)`
`05:11.37`	`a_meteorite`	`arrrgh.. I want to stay OUT of Xorg to do this`
`05:11.38`	`a_temp_dist`	`It looks like this one is a little more up to date`
`05:11.40`	`a_temp_dist`	`http://bzflag.org/wiki/KeysAndCommands`
`05:14.43`	`Shaba1`	`thanks a_temp_dist`
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`07:20.17`	`Mr_Molez`	`0k`
`07:20.18`	`Mr_Molez`	`k`
`08:12.32`	`spldart`	`o_O`
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`12:56.05`	`trac_`	`Does the "bz_fireWorldWep - API call" already work for plugins?`
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`13:33.03`	`trac_`	`What is the difference between MsgWShotBegin and MsgShotBegin? And why do clients in 2.1.X ignore MsgWShotBegin? Is it not implemented yet?`
`13:38.39`	`ToughShooter`	`trac_: Hallole`
`13:38.56`	`ToughShooter`	`Du solltest wirklich mal abwarten ;)`
`13:40.27`	`trac_`	`hehe hey TS :)`
`13:40.57`	`trac_`	`habe die letzten Tage mit den Plugins gespielt und mich zu tode ge�rgert, dass "bz_fireWorldWep" nicht gehen will.`
`13:41.14`	`trac_`	`nun sieht es so aus, als ob in 2.1.X eine Nachricht ignoriert wird ;)`
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`13:41.27`	`trac_`	`weil der Server sie sendet, abe der Klient ignoriert ;))`
`13:41.50`	`ToughShooter`	`Da ist nichts stabil, 2.1 ist weit von 2.2 entfernt`
`13:42.07`	`ToughShooter`	`Wirklich..vieles ist einfach kaputt`
`13:42.30`	`trac_`	`ich weis. Aber man h�tte ja wenigstens sagen im TODO schreiben k�nnen, dass MsgWShotBegin noch nicht funktioniert und damit keine einzige Weltwaffe`
`13:42.53`	`trac_`	`weil der Klient noch gar nichts von dem neuen MsgType weis ;)`
`13:43.22`	`ToughShooter`	`Ähm, das gehört nicht in TODO rein, besser ein Eintrag auf sourceforge, so bekommt man die Projektaktivität auch hoch`
`13:43.26`	`trac_`	`und nun wollte ich mal fragen, wof�r dieser neue aber sich noch nicht von MsgShotBegin unterscheidende Type sein soll`
`13:43.42`	`trac_`	`und wo auf sf?`
`13:44.07`	`ToughShooter`	`Bei "bugs" vielleicht? :y`
`13:45.14`	`trac_`	`lol`
`13:45.23`	`trac_`	`mal sehen, ob es drin ist... ;)`
`13:46.08`	`trac_`	`ne ist nicht drin ;(`
`13:46.41`	`trac_`	`aber man kann es dazu tun, wenn man gekl�rt hat, was eigentlich so neu sein soll an MsgWShotBegin?`
`13:47.34`	`ToughShooter`	`Naja, man fragt mal nach, wenn man es weiß steckt man es zu den Fehlern und behebt es dann`
`13:50.18`	`ToughShooter`	`Nebenbei: Ich wäre ja für ein dokumentiertes Protokoll ;)`
`13:51.09`	`spldart`	`Wow.... That's alot of german 8-0 ;~)`
`13:51.28`	`trac_`	`hey spldart`
`13:52.19`	`trac_`	`yeah, thats because the rest is written wrong ;)`
`13:52.24`	`spldart`	`LOL`
`13:53.33`	`ToughShooter`	`spldart: I thought everyone is sleeping anyway and we're the only people talking about project-specifiy things`
`13:53.34`	`spldart`	`It's alright cuz I mispell most of my home language as well :) Not quite the same thing but heh`
`13:54.00`	`spldart`	`Go right ahead TS I'm just being silly`
`13:54.47`	`spldart`	`I was having fun trying to read it :)`
`13:54.59`	`ToughShooter`	`Err, I'm thinking about probably taking the conversation private :p`
`13:55.18`	`spldart`	`:( sry`
`13:55.35`	`ToughShooter`	`It's not because of you`
`13:56.07`	`spldart`	`But your 'On Topic'`
`13:58.41`	`ToughShooter`	`spldart: I've partly prepared a new nice present for CRW: A new speed check ;)`
`13:59.03`	`spldart`	`Coool`
`13:59.26`	`ToughShooter`	`BTW: Did you saw anyone else getting kicked by the height check?`
`13:59.57`	`spldart`	`I haven't`
`14:00.25`	`spldart`	`But I've had some odd names on my HEAD server... 'LongDon, TROLLLLL' etc`
`14:00.41`	`ToughShooter`	`spldart: LongDon is a GU admin`
`14:00.54`	`spldart`	`Haven't seen him heh`
`14:01.08`	`spldart`	`thanks for telling me that`
`14:01.14`	`Birdie`	`what are your servers?`
`14:01.32`	`spldart`	`Mine birdie?`
`14:01.54`	`Birdie`	`yes`
`14:02.00`	`Birdie`	`thats what we are talking about:)`
`14:02.25`	`spldart`	`bzfs: one 1.10.8, 2.0.9, 2.1.8`
`14:02.55`	`spldart`	`all spldart.opencombat.net`
`14:03.31`	`Birdie`	`oh, never saw that in the serverlist:)`
`14:03.35`	`Birdie`	`see it now..`
`14:04.15`	`spldart`	`Usually a ways down... occasionally my 2.0.9 get's to the first page :-D`
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`14:08.00`	`spldart`	`The speed check.... Is it committed to HEAD TS?`
`14:09.11`	`ToughShooter`	`No, on my usual 55-60 degree disk ;)`
`14:09.21`	`spldart`	`ah`
`14:09.53`	`ToughShooter`	`The computer is now being repaired`
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`14:34.43`	`teatree`	`hola`
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`14:41.59`	`ircleuser`	`Win Xp: Are you here?`
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`17:00.20`	`CIA-6`	`opencombat: 03jeffm2501 * 10PowerPainter/ (8 files):`
`17:00.20`	`CIA-6`	`opencombat: more uv tools (rotate, consolodate, etc )`
`17:00.20`	`CIA-6`	`opencombat: hide/show/delete`
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`17:19.52`	`gsnedders`	`6-1. Not bad when you've barely played since April.`
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`17:23.16`	`stjepan`	`hi`
`17:23.27`	`stjepan`	`what do you guys think of lil mouse box?`
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`17:23.32`	`stjepan`	`(smallest mousebox possible)`
`17:24.20`	`gsnedders`	`an unfair advantage.`
`17:24.46`	`blast007`	`is it a built-in option?`
`17:25.59`	`stjepan`	`gsnedders, unfair?`
`17:26.11`	`gsnedders`	`stjepan: all the input options should be equal.`
`17:27.49`	`stjepan`	`gsnedders, who says?`
`17:27.57`	`stjepan`	`gsnedders, why?`
`17:28.18`	`gsnedders`	`stjepan: because then players who choose to use a certain input option have an advantage`
`17:28.20`	`CBG`	`gsnedders: so editing the config file is cheating?`
`17:28.38`	`gsnedders`	`CBG: no.`
`17:28.39`	`CBG`	`for example, you cannot change the font in-game, but you can if you edit the config file - that's cheating?`
`17:29.00`	`blast007`	`CBG: cheater! you changed the font!`
`17:29.01`	`blast007`	`;)`
`17:29.10`	`gsnedders`	`CBG: there's a difference between cheating and an unfair advantage`
`17:29.26`	`gsnedders`	`an unfair advantage can be caused by the game itself.`
`17:29.29`	`gsnedders`	`a cheat cannot.`
`17:29.34`	`CBG`	`ook`
`17:30.02`	`stjepan`	`gsnedders, no`
`17:30.07`	`CBG`	`what counts as an unfair advantage ?`
`17:30.09`	`stjepan`	`gsnedders, everybod can have lil mouse box`
`17:30.12`	`blast007`	`gsnedders: so if I adjust the joystick deadzone in a multiplayer game, I'm cheating?`
`17:30.22`	`blast007`	`er`
`17:30.24`	`blast007`	`not cheating`
`17:30.33`	`blast007`	`"obtaining an unfair advantage"`
`17:30.33`	`stjepan`	`CBG, if you set mouse box to smallest possible it is an unfair advantage for gsnedders`
`17:30.41`	`gsnedders`	`stjepan: it doesn't effect people who don't use the mouse.`
`17:30.52`	`stjepan`	`so what?`
`17:31.00`	`stjepan`	`people can use mouse`
`17:31.06`	`stjepan`	`that doesn't matter`
`17:31.14`	`gsnedders`	`stjepan: it gives the people who use the mouse an advantage that people who don't can't have.`
`17:31.22`	`stjepan`	`so what?`
`17:31.31`	`stjepan`	`it is ok and fair`
`17:31.31`	`CBG`	`keyboard users already the equivalent of a mousebox that is 0.000000001mm square. ;)`
`17:31.35`	`stjepan`	`bad configuration bad play`
`17:31.47`	`CBG`	`so if a mouse user set their box that small, it would be fair.`
`17:31.48`	`stjepan`	`they don't want to use mouse`
`17:31.50`	`stjepan`	`so who cares`
`17:31.53`	`stjepan`	`their bad`
`17:32.01`	`gsnedders`	`stjepan: that's a big thing to say.`
`17:32.13`	`stjepan`	`:)`
`17:32.16`	`stjepan`	`als`
`17:32.23`	`gsnedders`	`there are plenty of people who use the keyboard, or a gamepad, or something else, by choice.`
`17:32.30`	`CBG`	`exactly`
`17:32.45`	`stjepan`	`mouse is faster and more reponsive than keyboard. If I use mouse, I have an "unfaird advantage" over keyboard users???`
`17:32.48`	`CBG`	`so if a mouse user wants the same 'acceleration' as them, where is the problem?`
`17:33.21`	`stjepan`	`is anybody here (except me) using lil mouse box?`
`17:34.00`	`ToughShooter`	`I do, depending on whether the server is jumpy or not`
`17:34.09`	`gsnedders`	`IMO all players should be equal, therefore everyone using the mouse should have the same responsiveness.`
`17:34.36`	`gsnedders`	`stjepan: listen to what was said. the keyboard has the equiv of a VERY TINY mouse box`
`17:34.59`	`CBG`	`practically NON EXISTANT mosue box ;)`
`17:35.18`	`ToughShooter`	`Well, they have to push the keys`
`17:35.24`	`ToughShooter`	`That can add some delay`
`17:35.40`	`blast007`	`gsnedders: except you initially said that him having a small mouse box is an unfair advantage, which is what threw off the whole conversation`
`17:36.06`	`gsnedders`	`blast007: it's an unfair advantage over those who use the mouse with the default settings.`
`17:36.23`	`blast007`	`I really don't think so :)`
`17:36.39`	`ToughShooter`	`It would rather say they keyboard is equiv to a mouse box, that has a big "non-moving space" in the midle`
`17:38.42`	`CBG`	`My point is, if you set the mouse box VERY small, you have the same as a keyboard user - so it's NOT an advantage.`
`17:39.07`	`ToughShooter`	`and that is wrong`
`17:39.35`	`ToughShooter`	`you need a huge "non-moving space" inside the mousebox`
`17:40.02`	`ToughShooter`	`and outside the space that creates no moving it needs instant top speed`
`17:40.11`	`ToughShooter`	`so it would be pretty different`
`17:41.47`	`CBG`	`keyboard == instant acceleration. infinitely small mouse box == instant acceleration too.`
`17:42.17`	`blast007`	`it's still different, because the mouse is an analog control`
`17:42.46`	`CBG`	`yes, but my point is that a tiny mouse box is hardly an advantage over keyboard`
`17:42.58`	`CBG`	`and already you can have it pretty small in-game options`
`17:43.02`	`blast007`	`it's hardly an advantage at all`
`17:43.23`	`CBG`	`stjepan just wants it even smaller which anyone can do if they edit the config - which is very easy`
`17:43.28`	`CBG`	`relative to editing source`
`17:45.47`	`ToughShooter`	`it's always at some boarder`
`17:46.21`	`ToughShooter`	`err, border`
`17:46.58`	`ToughShooter`	`some stuff is not above the border, other things are slightly above it and the worst things are totally above`
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`17:48.20`	`ToughShooter`	`where the point between slightly cheatint and almost cheating lies is something based on personal opinion`
`17:50.48`	`spldart`	`Need a 'letter of the law' in that case I imagine`
`17:51.20`	`spldart`	`btw, imo, that is not cheating`
`17:51.38`	`Admirarch`	`How about editing textures?`
`17:51.54`	`spldart`	`And I would be hard pressed to consider it an 'unfair advantage'`
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`18:27.03`	`a_meteorite`	`anyone know who made chathistory plugin?`
`18:28.00`	`CBG`	`your mom`
`18:28.10`	`a_meteorite`	`but I thought it was JeffM2501 :(`
`18:28.44`	`a_meteorite`	`is JeffM2501 my mom?`
`18:28.50`	`a_meteorite`	`is he, CBG?`
`18:28.52`	`a_meteorite`	`;)`
`18:29.38`	`CBG`	`you tell me.`
`18:29.50`	`JeffM2501`	`huh?`
`18:29.53`	`a_meteorite`	`that would explain why he only lives like a 100 miles away...`
`18:29.58`	`JeffM2501`	`yeah I think I did that one`
`18:30.02`	`a_meteorite`	`ah`
`18:30.07`	`a_meteorite`	`how do I retreive chats?`
`18:30.13`	`a_meteorite`	`it says last and list are not commands`
`18:30.13`	`JeffM2501`	`don't remember`
`18:30.17`	`a_meteorite`	`but /flushchat works`
`18:30.25`	`JeffM2501`	`read what it reges`
`18:30.28`	`a_meteorite`	`<PROTECTED>`
`18:30.36`	`a_meteorite`	`but, /last tells me it's not a command`
`18:30.46`	`JeffM2501`	`umm ok`
`18:30.53`	`a_meteorite`	`yeah..`
`18:30.57`	`a_meteorite`	`and /flushchat works..`
`18:31.03`	`JeffM2501`	`so debug it`
`18:31.08`	`a_meteorite`	`:\|`
`18:31.34`	`JeffM2501`	`that was done like a year ago, I don't remeber the specifics about it`
`18:32.08`	`a_meteorite`	`ok`
`18:32.12`	`JeffM2501`	`didn't last take a value?`
`18:32.15`	`JeffM2501`	`for how many to look back?`
`18:32.24`	`a_meteorite`	`yes, /last <num of lines> <callsign>`
`18:32.28`	`a_meteorite`	`I tried it that way too`
`18:32.32`	`shorty114`	`are the official os x builds universal?`
`18:32.40`	`JeffM2501`	`shorty114, no`
`18:32.51`	`JeffM2501`	`we are not universal compatable yet`
`18:32.57`	`JeffM2501`	`it's planed for 2.2`
`18:33.04`	`a_meteorite`	`"Unknown command [last 1 eMachines]"`
`18:33.13`	`shorty114`	`how hard would it be to make a universal binary yourself?`
`18:33.24`	`JeffM2501`	`a_meteorite, looks like its' busted then`
`18:33.29`	`a_meteorite`	`yeah`
`18:33.34`	`JeffM2501`	`shorty114, we probably have to mod the sources`
`18:33.39`	`shorty114`	`i see http://eidotter.de/~alexx/bzflag/ but "shots are not visible on radar" is a rather tough one`
`18:33.44`	`shorty114`	`hmm`
`18:33.46`	`JeffM2501`	`to make the build check the CPU type on the mac builds.`
`18:34.31`	`JeffM2501`	`you can do an intel only build, or a PPC only build, but the game isn't smart enough to pack up the network data based on the current RUNNING cpu, just what it was built on.`
`18:34.44`	`JeffM2501`	`brlcad now has a macbook and was going to look into it when he had time.`
`18:34.54`	`shorty114`	`ok cool`
`18:35.04`	`shorty114`	`does bz run fine in emulation?`
`18:35.09`	`shorty114`	`the rosetta stuff?`
`18:35.10`	`JeffM2501`	`a_meteorite, it registeres the command, I don't know why it wouldnt work`
`18:35.16`	`JeffM2501`	`shorty114, no it does not run at all`
`18:35.19`	`shorty114`	`:\`
`18:35.27`	`a_meteorite`	`ah, I got /last to work`
`18:35.33`	`JeffM2501`	`we do NOT have an offical build solution for intel macs`
`18:35.38`	`a_meteorite`	`it checks the command value in the command handler`
`18:35.43`	`JeffM2501`	`it is planed for 2.0`
`18:35.52`	`JeffM2501`	`sorry 2.2`
`18:35.53`	`a_meteorite`	`but now it complains about arguments :)`
`18:36.45`	`JeffM2501`	`it won't like callsigns with spaces`
`18:36.56`	`a_meteorite`	`I tried it without spaces`
`18:37.06`	`shorty114`	`you said 2.2 is planned to be universal, so i was just wondering if emulation worked...`
`18:37.12`	`shorty114`	`apparently not, though.`
`18:37.14`	`JeffM2501`	`nope`
`18:37.18`	`JeffM2501`	`crash and burn`
`18:37.18`	`a_meteorite`	`<PROTECTED>`
`18:37.33`	`a_meteorite`	`"Usage: /last <NUMBER OF LINES> <CALLSIGN>"`
`18:37.35`	`JeffM2501`	`there are a couple intel builds posted on the fourms`
`18:37.44`	`a_meteorite`	`I'll keep looking, JeffM2501`
`18:37.59`	`shorty114`	`yeah the one linked to on the downloads page has a few bugs and crashes on the MBP occasionally`
`18:38.09`	`shorty114`	`i'll look around the forums though`
`18:38.11`	`JeffM2501`	`then build your own`
`18:39.00`	`shorty114`	`hmm i can't connect to m.b.o :\`
`18:39.13`	`JeffM2501`	`it happens`
`18:40.15`	`shorty114`	`~dns my.bzflag.org`
`18:40.29`	`JeffM2501`	`it's flooded out again`
`18:40.32`	`JeffM2501`	`it happens`
`18:40.37`	`shorty114`	`k i'll try again later`
`18:41.12`	`a_meteorite`	`JeffM2501: I don't know how the tokenize function works, but does this look normal?`
`18:41.19`	`a_meteorite`	`<PROTECTED>`
`18:41.19`	`a_meteorite`	`<PROTECTED>`
`18:41.19`	`a_meteorite`	`<PROTECTED>`
`18:41.31`	`JeffM2501`	`nope`
`18:41.37`	`JeffM2501`	`make the 1 a 0`
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`18:44.00`	`a_meteorite`	`well, I got even further :)`
`18:44.18`	`a_meteorite`	`you just fixed yourself, but now it has a problem searching the std::vector`
`18:44.51`	`a_meteorite`	`or the std::map ... keeps looking around`
`18:45.22`	`JeffM2501`	`it dosn't find the name?`
`18:45.30`	`JeffM2501`	`or is params[1] the number?`
`18:45.39`	`a_meteorite`	`"that player has no chat history", but I know different`
`18:45.51`	`JeffM2501`	`change the params[1] to params[2]`
`18:46.11`	`JeffM2501`	`ahh`
`18:46.13`	`JeffM2501`	`I see also`
`18:46.26`	`JeffM2501`	`oh no, the save is good`
`18:46.32`	`JeffM2501`	`try params[2]`
`18:46.58`	`JeffM2501`	`I'm betting message includes the /last and it's geting parsed out`
`18:47.03`	`a_meteorite`	`k`
`18:49.20`	`a_meteorite`	`all params[1] that are used in searching for the name?`
`18:49.30`	`JeffM2501`	`yeah`
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`18:51.31`	`JeffM2501`	`hmm , tho in the API it looks like message is just the stuff after the / part`
`18:51.54`	`a_meteorite`	`params[2] is definitely not good. it crashed.`
`18:52.03`	`JeffM2501`	`k`
`18:52.58`	`JeffM2501`	`what is your history limit set to?`
`18:53.19`	`JeffM2501`	`also it dosn't log out to a file or anything`
`18:53.28`	`JeffM2501`	`it only tracks what it sees while it runs`
`18:54.23`	`a_meteorite`	`it was set to 1 line. it caused bzfs to do a core dump though`
`18:54.30`	`a_meteorite`	`which is utterly useless :)`
`18:54.38`	`JeffM2501`	`why set it to 1?`
`18:54.45`	`JeffM2501`	`the default is 1000 lines per person`
`18:54.48`	`a_meteorite`	`to get one line of history`
`18:54.53`	`JeffM2501`	`no no, the LIMIT`
`18:55.05`	`JeffM2501`	`not the requested lines`
`18:55.12`	`JeffM2501`	`yeah params[2] will puke`
`18:55.22`	`a_meteorite`	`yup`
`18:55.26`	`JeffM2501`	`but you said you KNEW he had chat`
`18:55.31`	`JeffM2501`	`but you had to rebuild the plugin`
`18:55.40`	`JeffM2501`	`and that means relaunch bzfs`
`18:55.41`	`a_meteorite`	`yeah, then I unloaded and reloaded plugin`
`18:55.52`	`a_meteorite`	`ooh. I have to load it up when bzfs starts?`
`18:55.53`	`JeffM2501`	`blowing out any saved chat the old plugin had`
`18:55.56`	`JeffM2501`	`no`
`18:56.02`	`JeffM2501`	`the plugin only saves chat it sees`
`18:56.15`	`JeffM2501`	`so when you unloaded, all the chat that plugin had, was wiped`
`18:56.15`	`a_meteorite`	`yeah, I made sure someone said something before I did /last`
`18:56.40`	`JeffM2501`	`reloading the plugin dosn't send the chat one instance saved to the new instance`
`18:56.44`	`JeffM2501`	`and bzfs dosn't keep it`
`18:56.47`	`a_meteorite`	`I know`
`18:56.59`	`JeffM2501`	`did he say something after you did the reload?`
`18:57.03`	`a_meteorite`	`yes`
`18:57.15`	`JeffM2501`	`when it was set to [1] ?`
`18:57.20`	`a_meteorite`	`no, just [2]`
`18:57.26`	`JeffM2501`	`then [1] was working`
`18:57.34`	`JeffM2501`	`he realy did not have any saved chat lines`
`18:57.40`	`JeffM2501`	`because you reloaded`
`18:57.48`	`a_meteorite`	`but I saw with my own eyes him say something after it loaded...`
`18:58.00`	`JeffM2501`	`after with [2] or after with [1] ?`
`18:58.08`	`a_meteorite`	`after [1]`
`18:58.24`	`a_meteorite`	`same with [2], but it crashed it`
`18:58.25`	`JeffM2501`	`if he has any wacky characters or spaces after his name, it won't work ether`
`18:58.53`	`JeffM2501`	`[2] will crash`
`18:58.55`	`JeffM2501`	`always`
`18:59.05`	`a_meteorite`	`ok`
`18:59.59`	`a_meteorite`	`nope, it doesn't work`
`19:00.11`	`JeffM2501`	`ok`
`19:00.11`	`a_meteorite`	`I loaded it, asked player "AAA" to say something. did /last 1 AAA`
`19:00.16`	`a_meteorite`	`it tells me he has no chat history`
`19:00.23`	`JeffM2501`	`it was just a sample`
`19:00.30`	`a_meteorite`	`k`
`19:00.32`	`CIA-6`	`BZFlag: 03jeffm2501 * 10bzflag/plugins/chathistory/chathistory.cpp: when parsing the params for /list use all the fields, and let callsigns be in quotes.`
`19:01.08`	`a_meteorite`	`will that revision work? :)`
`19:01.12`	`JeffM2501`	`no`
`19:01.17`	`a_meteorite`	`k`
`19:01.21`	`JeffM2501`	`all it does is fix the first thing I told you to fix`
`19:01.40`	`JeffM2501`	`slap some breakpoints in and see if it gets the chat message`
`19:01.44`	`a_meteorite`	`k`
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`19:03.12`	`a_meteorite`	`you mean gdb breakpoints?`
`19:03.25`	`JeffM2501`	`or whatever debuger you prefer`
`19:03.30`	`a_meteorite`	`eek, ok`
`19:03.47`	`JeffM2501`	`asuming you want to use it`
`19:04.00`	`a_meteorite`	`no, it just means I have to learn how to use it`
`19:04.30`	`JeffM2501`	`I can debug it here, but it'll be a bit for me to setup a server and all that`
`19:04.59`	`a_meteorite`	`sure`
`19:05.13`	`a_meteorite`	`no rush :)`
`19:06.19`	`JeffM2501`	`did you start it with any paramaters?`
`19:06.37`	`a_meteorite`	`no, do I need too?`
`19:06.41`	`JeffM2501`	`no, but you can`
`19:06.51`	`JeffM2501`	`you can tell it how many lines to save per person`
`19:07.20`	`a_meteorite`	`ah`
`19:10.27`	`CIA-6`	`BZFlag: 03jeffm2501 07v2_0branch * 10bzflag/plugins/chathistory/chathistory.cpp: use all the params for /list and accept quotes for nams`
`19:20.51`	`JeffM2501`	`I can't even get plugins to load`
`19:21.11`	`a_meteorite`	`heh`
`19:21.34`	`JeffM2501`	`so I can`
`19:21.41`	`JeffM2501`	`'t debug it`
`19:21.49`	`a_meteorite`	`what about at home?`
`19:21.54`	`JeffM2501`	`I'm not at home`
`19:22.00`	`a_meteorite`	`when you get home :)`
`19:22.07`	`JeffM2501`	`if I remember`
`19:22.15`	`a_meteorite`	`k`
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`19:46.40`	`CIA-6`	`opencombat: 03jeffm2501 * 10PowerPainter/UI/ (imageFolder.png upFolder.png): images for folder traversal`
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`20:08.26`	`*** part/#bzflag awright (n=chatzill@wsip-68-14-251-102.ph.ph.cox.net)`
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`20:12.32`	`dryhdh`	`global is down`
`20:12.45`	`JeffM2501`	`not down, just very slow`
`20:12.57`	`dryhdh`	`how come`
`20:13.13`	`JeffM2501`	`flood atacks again it looks like`
`20:13.36`	`dryhdh`	`ah`
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`20:19.41`	`meno_hiding`	`run away httpd task - will fix in a minute`
`20:24.43`	`JeffM2501`	`that would splain the very small netstat`
`20:25.50`	`meno_hiding`	`k, should be go to go`
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`20:44.00`	`Birdie`	`~dns brad.bz`
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`21:08.53`	`*** join/#bzflag cosmos (n=cosmos@tuxproof.bunker.hepcat.org)`
`21:09.53`	`cosmos`	`ping: dmp or meno`
`21:10.42`	`meno_hiding`	`yeeeeeeeeees`
`21:11.05`	`cosmos`	`have an issue where some guy is registered and impersonating me on the ducati league website`
`21:11.19`	`cosmos`	`birdie verified this, i permabanned him on hepcat hes at 24.200.x`
`21:11.36`	`meno_hiding`	`heh, you mean you don't play ducati ?`
`21:11.53`	`cosmos`	`i would if i had more time :)`
`21:12.10`	`cosmos`	`but when people start finding me on pillbox and asking about ducati matches or why i said this or that`
`21:12.12`	`cosmos`	`well`
`21:12.20`	`JeffM2501`	`would you call him a "prick"?`
`21:12.32`	`meno_hiding`	`k, i'll take car of it`
`21:12.41`	`cosmos`	`i would call him banned.`
`21:12.44`	`cosmos`	`at least on hepcat`
`21:13.00`	`JeffM2501`	`twas a joke ;)`
`21:13.03`	`cosmos`	`i know`
`21:13.15`	`cosmos`	`ive been up all night power outage at datacenter`
`21:13.21`	`JeffM2501`	`that sucks`
`21:14.06`	`cosmos`	`yes it sure does. some building maint guy decided to bring a super big gulp in while doing power work`
`21:14.10`	`cosmos`	`you can guess the rest`
`21:14.25`	`JeffM2501`	`ahh the smell of ozone`
`21:14.35`	`spldart`	`omgrofl`
`21:14.43`	`meno_hiding`	`BZ Crusaders, heh, figures`
`21:15.04`	`cosmos`	`are they a problem meno?`
`21:15.31`	`meno_hiding`	`not really, just a huge team that doesn't play`
`21:16.14`	`cosmos`	`well one of them tried to get me to play this morning thats how i found out`
`21:16.14`	`meno_hiding`	`and a few other players with 'fake' names, like sataros`
`21:18.39`	`cosmos`	`nice`
`21:19.18`	`Birdie`	`saturas is a player`
`21:19.28`	`Birdie`	`brother from some one`
`21:19.48`	`CBG`	`one of those kids who changes name each week`
`21:19.49`	`[dmp]`	`janis probably. He got alot of them`
`21:20.16`	`Birdie`	`at least cbg is always cbg:)`
`21:20.20`	`CBG`	`I have seen him with Saturos, playing together, I guess Saturos would have expressed any concerns he had...`
`21:20.33`	`menotume`	`Muahaha.`
`21:20.38`	`[dmp]`	`erhm`
`21:20.59`	`ToughShooter`	`[dmp]: it is not janis`
`21:21.06`	`ToughShooter`	`janis can't speak german`
`21:21.09`	`cosmos`	`i just registered as myself`
`21:21.11`	`ToughShooter`	`saturas can`
`21:21.14`	`cosmos`	`to prevent imposters`
`21:21.26`	`Birdie`	`saturas is the brother from destructionboy`
`21:21.44`	`ToughShooter`	`yupp, and not so experienced in playing`
`21:38.34`	`CIA-6`	`opencombat: 03jeffm2501 * 10PowerPainter/ (glUI.cpp glUI.h):`
`21:38.34`	`CIA-6`	`opencombat: make a generic verison of the openGL listbox`
`21:38.34`	`CIA-6`	`opencombat: derive off a texture folder version so we don't have to see all the textures in one big list`
`21:52.07`	`AAA_awright`	`http://bzflag.redjacket.ws has player usage statistics now. Yeay! see what servers are your favorite :)`
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`21:56.42`	`AAA_awright`	`Has there ever been anything in stats.bzflag.org that you have ever wanted in?`
`22:28.55`	`meno_hiding`	`Birdie: i meant that saturos is a well known player, saturas is a 'fake'`
`22:30.01`	`meno_hiding`	`cosmos: duc match?`
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`22:33.22`	`cosmos`	`huh`
`22:34.59`	`cosmos`	`im not on any team at the moment in ducati league`
`22:35.20`	`meno_hiding`	`hehe`
`22:35.30`	`cosmos`	`but i am at least the right cosmos`
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