| 00:03.41 | Skeeve | So I head 4 bed now. Good Night... (Again 2am) :-( |
| 00:05.45 | CBG | Bye Skeeve ! |
| 00:08.08 | spldart | Nighty night skeeve |
| 00:08.14 | spldart | hehehe |
| 00:09.55 | Theme97 | Did list server go boom? |
| 00:10.55 | Bz_Win | no forums either :p |
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| 00:16.34 | JeffM2501 | wow, my truck is vissable on google earth :) |
| 00:17.56 | spldart | My car is too :) |
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| 00:31.29 | Bz_Win | any idea when the list server will be back? |
| 00:32.22 | JeffM2501 | when it comes back |
| 00:33.19 | Bz_Win | Thats for the insight :p |
| 00:33.27 | Bz_Win | Thanks* |
| 00:33.45 | JeffM2501 | it's not like it's something we controll or make happen |
| 00:34.31 | Bz_Win | Oh, didn't know if someone was doing something, mods, etc.. |
| 00:34.43 | JeffM2501 | if it was scheduled, there would be a notice |
| 00:35.01 | Bz_Win | k, thanks |
| 00:42.07 | spldart | hehe |
| 00:42.25 | spldart | Can't wait for some sort of distributed list serving :-) |
| 00:45.26 | JeffM2501 | I can't wait to find out who is gonna write it |
| 00:48.19 | spldart | I can't wait to learn enough to right stuff for BZ ;-) |
| 00:48.42 | trepan | was that a pun? |
| 00:49.10 | spldart | hehe |
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| 00:57.03 | Gnurdux | is my.bzflag.org down? |
| 00:57.12 | Gnurdux | and/or listserver? |
| 00:57.19 | Theme97 | List server has been down for almost an hour. |
| 00:57.27 | Gnurdux | yayz |
| 00:57.36 | spldart | :P |
| 00:58.15 | Gnurdux | whats going on with it? |
| 00:58.50 | Theme97 | It's doing its usual routine. |
| 00:58.54 | spldart | Nobody has mentioned... could be server os, apache, domain, connection etc etc etc |
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| 00:59.03 | Gnurdux | or another ddos |
| 00:59.03 | spldart | really? |
| 00:59.07 | spldart | yep |
| 00:59.10 | CBG | It has cramp, leave it be. |
| 00:59.12 | spldart | that falls under connection |
| 00:59.17 | spldart | LOL |
| 00:59.23 | Theme97 | It's doing its usual routine of going down. |
| 00:59.46 | Bz_Win | "and for my next act..I will dissapear, for a undetermined amount of time..." |
| 01:00.05 | Theme97 | "then magically come back... for no apparent reason..." |
| 01:00.14 | Bz_Win | hehe |
| 01:00.55 | Bz_Win | I was playing a lord of the rings game with my friend today, I think ill try to make a map as close to the game as possible |
| 01:01.10 | Bz_Win | I wonder if its even possible |
| 01:01.37 | spldart | with a 3d modelers some textures and a lot of time... who knows what's possible |
| 01:02.14 | Bz_Win | The lighting seems to be the problem so far :p |
| 01:02.28 | Theme97 | Bz_Win: Ask LouMan. |
| 01:03.50 | CBG | Is ClayOgre still about? |
| 01:04.25 | Bz_Win | Yeah, but he isn't around as much, from what ive read on DW's forums he's taken on a position in "gimp talk" |
| 01:05.16 | Bz_Win | bbl |
| 01:05.58 | CBG | gimp talk ? |
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| 01:07.47 | A-Delusion | did somebody say gimp? |
| 01:07.54 | A-Delusion | http://pimp-video-pimp-layout.com-myspace-myspace.org/ |
| 01:12.36 | Bz_Win | CBG: http://www.gimptalk.com/ |
| 01:12.39 | Bz_Win | g2g |
| 01:13.38 | CBG | I don't get it..? Clay works there now? So what? He's so busy he can't spend any time on anything bz-related? |
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| 01:28.44 | spldart | Woah |
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| 01:31.50 | TSWoodV | What's going on tonight with the servers? |
| 01:32.02 | CBG | The server list server is down. |
| 01:32.13 | zee337 | molez? |
| 01:32.29 | TSWoodV | So, that means that the registered names don't work either? |
| 01:33.14 | spldart | yeah |
| 01:33.17 | zee337 | hello |
| 01:33.33 | spldart | iz teh p00pies |
| 01:33.58 | TSWoodV | Who's the admin/owner of the list server? Where is it located? |
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| 01:34.15 | spldart | A dev. A datacenter.. IIRC |
| 01:34.55 | blast007 | the server is up, just not responding via apache |
| 01:35.49 | spldart | Any working theories or known issues causing this particular outtage? |
| 01:35.58 | blast007 | I have one |
| 01:35.59 | blast007 | it's down |
| 01:36.03 | spldart | LOL |
| 01:36.04 | blast007 | *cough* |
| 01:36.21 | spldart | try not to confuse my lay-man mind with all that tech talk |
| 01:36.28 | blast007 | I'll try |
| 01:36.29 | blast007 | ;) |
| 01:39.18 | spldart | TSWoodV will get over it when the list server comes back up and he can get back to fraggan some tanks |
| 01:39.24 | spldart | ;-) |
| 01:39.27 | CBG | TSWoodV: Oh, that was nothing, sometimes the conversation gets _really_ complicated here. |
| 01:39.36 | blast007 | does someone else want to investigate this? I'm seeing a LOT of httpd and sh processes running under the 'www' user... |
| 01:39.36 | CBG | Once they were talking about things called DVDs.... |
| 01:39.46 | spldart | OMG really |
| 01:39.47 | CBG | Apparently they are like floppies, but round and shiney... o.O |
| 01:39.53 | spldart | I've heard about those... I think |
| 01:40.06 | Teppic | blast007: thats normal. |
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| 01:40.26 | Teppic | blast007: as long as you are running apache, lol |
| 01:40.32 | blast007 | 306 httpd's in a 'ps aux |
| 01:40.34 | blast007 | ? |
| 01:40.41 | blast007 | that's normal? :) |
| 01:40.43 | TSWoodV | CBG: Ooooh! Shiny! Me likee! Me likee! |
| 01:40.54 | [dmp] | and they're zombies too |
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| 01:41.03 | Teppic | blast007: maybe for that server, one thread for each connection |
| 01:41.08 | CBG | Don't be silly, meacan. |
| 01:41.09 | spldart | My apache is NO WHERE busy enough to come into these kinds of problems so me dunno.... |
| 01:41.19 | blast007 | 128 'sh' processes running from the 'www' user |
| 01:41.23 | spldart | Mongo only know has to do with where choo choo go |
| 01:41.23 | Teppic | [dmp]: not so good |
| 01:41.41 | Teppic | just /etc/init.d/apache2 restart |
| 01:42.16 | TSWoodV | spldart: Got "Blazing Saddles" on one of them round, shiny thangs right here on mah desk! |
| 01:42.18 | zee348 | i'm so confuseddddd |
| 01:42.41 | spldart | Sweet TSW... Mine resides in my file sever :) |
| 01:42.48 | [dmp] | zee348: do worry, you'll be disconnected soon, and it all goes away again |
| 01:42.57 | spldart | That's Confused-dddd |
| 01:43.15 | [dmp] | dont != do |
| 01:43.42 | spldart | More Brains!!! |
| 01:44.17 | blast007 | apachectl -t is showing a syntax error |
| 01:44.21 | TSWoodV | spldart: Mel Brooksite, I see! |
| 01:45.23 | blast007 | oh let's see... |
| 01:45.57 | blast007 | should I dump out anything (like connections) before I try this? |
| 01:46.43 | Teppic | what you gonna try? |
| 01:46.48 | blast007 | restarting apache |
| 01:47.05 | Teppic | nah, just restart it |
| 01:47.12 | zee348 | hi |
| 01:47.22 | blast007 | oh man...I need my password to run sudo ;) |
| 01:47.28 | blast007 | yeah |
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| 01:48.13 | zee348 | i can actually see your talking now, dmp are you telling me to stop communicating? |
| 01:48.32 | blast007 | list is up now |
| 01:48.37 | [dmp] | zee348: nope |
| 01:48.39 | blast007 | just needs to wait for all the servers to re-add |
| 01:48.47 | [dmp] | blast007: you was able to restart it? |
| 01:48.52 | HighKarateKitty | Is everyone aware that the list server is down and what confirms your registered is also down |
| 01:48.53 | blast007 | yup |
| 01:49.16 | [dmp] | plesant surprise :) |
| 01:49.16 | zee348 | aha thats better |
| 01:49.17 | JeffM2501 | HighKarateKitty, they are one and the same |
| 01:49.17 | HighKarateKitty | ok thx |
| 01:49.20 | spldart | People come out of the woodwork when list sever goes down |
| 01:49.22 | TSWoodV | Hi, Kitty! It's Apollyon! |
| 01:49.29 | blast007 | HighKarateKitty: it's back up now |
| 01:49.30 | HighKarateKitty | hiiiii Apollyon |
| 01:49.34 | HighKarateKitty | ok great |
| 01:49.38 | TSWoodV | HighKarateKitty: Who's owns those boxes? |
| 01:49.54 | JeffM2501 | why were they in the woodwork in the first place? |
| 01:49.54 | HighKarateKitty | what boxes |
| 01:49.59 | JeffM2501 | particle board can not be fun |
| 01:50.21 | TSWoodV | The ones that control registration and the list server |
| 01:50.28 | zee348 | brad you here? |
| 01:50.32 | JeffM2501 | there is only one machine |
| 01:50.39 | JeffM2501 | it is run by blrcad |
| 01:50.58 | spldart | Thus.. spoke methusala |
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| 01:53.11 | A-Delusion | getting plus signs on mofo FFA |
| 01:53.18 | TSWoodV | JeffM2501: Thanks for that info. I don't know blrcad |
| 01:53.25 | brlcad | heh |
| 01:53.54 | JeffM2501 | but he knows you |
| 01:54.03 | JeffM2501 | same kinda flood as last time brlcad ? |
| 01:54.06 | fiveofoh | Was the listserver down for a bit, or was it just me |
| 01:54.32 | JeffM2501 | i twas |
| 01:54.36 | JeffM2501 | it is back now |
| 01:54.50 | A-Delusion | yep |
| 01:54.58 | TSWoodV | Hello, brlcad! Whassup with The Box? |
| 01:54.59 | brlcad | JeffM2501: I don't know -- i just read the traffic |
| 01:55.06 | fiveofoh | Good, I wasn't going crazy. Thanks. :) |
| 01:55.11 | brlcad | blast007: did you happen to get a netstat before the restart? |
| 01:55.24 | TSWoodV | Getting flooded? |
| 01:55.32 | blast007 | brlcad: there was quite a few CLOSE_WAIT from a netstat -a |
| 01:55.40 | blast007 | didn't seem to be any pattern in the hostnames |
| 01:56.19 | TSWoodV | blast007: Sounds like a DDOS via half-open connections. |
| 01:56.21 | JeffM2501 | was http eating cpu again? |
| 01:56.33 | blast007 | CPU was idle for the most part |
| 01:57.01 | JeffM2501 | wierd |
| 01:57.52 | blast007 | JeffM2501: 306 httpd's and 128 sh's running under 'www' |
| 01:58.13 | brlcad | ahh |
| 01:58.22 | JeffM2501 | script freak then |
| 01:58.23 | brlcad | it was another attack like the last time |
| 01:58.35 | TSWoodV | blast007: And the majority of the states were CLOSE_WAIT? That's a DDOS. |
| 01:58.46 | blast007 | TSWoodV: yeah, quite a lot of them |
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| 01:59.52 | TSWoodV | botnet most likely. |
| 01:59.53 | Gnurdux | hi a_meteorite |
| 01:59.54 | JeffM2501 | why does russia hate us so? |
| 02:00.06 | TSWoodV | JeffM2501: Russian boxes you think? |
| 02:00.19 | JeffM2501 | last time it was a large russian subnet |
| 02:00.24 | a_meteorite | the russian mafia! |
| 02:00.25 | JeffM2501 | this isn't the first time |
| 02:00.29 | JeffM2501 | and it won't be the last |
| 02:01.18 | a_meteorite | it would be nice if it was the last :) |
| 02:01.42 | a_meteorite | so much for the saying all good things must come to an end ;) |
| 02:01.53 | JeffM2501 | it wont end, even if we go distributed |
| 02:02.28 | a_meteorite | except it would be harder to bring down |
| 02:02.28 | JeffM2501 | it'll have less effect, yes |
| 02:02.30 | a_meteorite | they would need more bandwidth to have the same effects |
| 02:03.12 | TSWoodV | A caching system on each bzflag server would help. Cache the recently seen player's stuff on each server. |
| 02:03.17 | a_meteorite | I wonder why someone would want to do this |
| 02:03.31 | JeffM2501 | it does |
| 02:03.32 | TSWoodV | Nothing better to do? There's never a good reason with these clowns. |
| 02:03.41 | JeffM2501 | bzfs only authenticates once |
| 02:03.42 | a_meteorite | that's true |
| 02:03.51 | JeffM2501 | then keeps you active for the entire session |
| 02:03.59 | JeffM2501 | bzflag client keeps a cache of the list |
| 02:04.00 | TSWoodV | How long after a player leaves does their info stay cached? |
| 02:04.05 | JeffM2501 | 0 |
| 02:04.14 | JeffM2501 | caching won't work |
| 02:04.21 | JeffM2501 | as passwords aren't sent to the game server |
| 02:04.29 | TSWoodV | Not talking about the client. Talking about caching authentication at the server for recently-seen users. |
| 02:04.36 | JeffM2501 | we can't cache auth |
| 02:04.44 | JeffM2501 | as the server never sees the password |
| 02:04.59 | TSWoodV | Then, if the passwords are kept centrally, a kerberos-style ticket with some sort of expiration time cached at the client would help. |
| 02:05.00 | JeffM2501 | and the token is invalid as soon as it's checked |
| 02:05.10 | JeffM2501 | dosn't work that way |
| 02:05.17 | JeffM2501 | can't change old clients |
| 02:05.27 | JeffM2501 | best way is to make the list system distributed for new games |
| 02:05.38 | TSWoodV | I know it doesn't. But it could. And there's a new client every 6 months or so. Phase it in. |
| 02:05.43 | a_meteorite | JeffM2501: well, every aspect of auth could be changed in 2.2 right? |
| 02:05.48 | a_meteorite | but it would bar out 2.0 users.. |
| 02:05.54 | JeffM2501 | TSWoodV, code it up :) |
| 02:05.57 | blast007 | technically we could make the new stuff do auth differently, since we just need to share users |
| 02:05.58 | a_meteorite | unless you kept an old DB around |
| 02:06.11 | TSWoodV | What's the big deal? No $ for the users. Just another download and install. |
| 02:06.14 | JeffM2501 | a_meteorite, every aspect can change as long as the system can share a user db with 2.0 |
| 02:06.24 | JeffM2501 | TSWoodV, not everyone upgrades |
| 02:06.26 | a_meteorite | JeffM2501: what if you had seperate DB's? |
| 02:06.28 | TSWoodV | JeffM2501: If I had the time, bro, I'd give it a shot. Isn't that technically difficult. |
| 02:06.32 | JeffM2501 | a_meteorite, that is not viable |
| 02:06.44 | JeffM2501 | TSWoodV, I know it's not, but somone actualy HAS to do it |
| 02:07.03 | TSWoodV | JeffM2501: Understood that not everyone upgrades. But I've seen servers that limited access to newer clients. We wouldn't be setting a precedent. |
| 02:07.20 | JeffM2501 | like I say, it has to support old stuff |
| 02:07.24 | JeffM2501 | that's our one requirement |
| 02:07.41 | spldart | Every time I think of splitting up bzflag list server for redundancy I think of a conversation over beer with a retired big shot from Fed Ex |
| 02:07.43 | a_meteorite | wasn't there an option to use a different groupdb when m.b.o. goes down? |
| 02:07.43 | JeffM2501 | even with a better system a single point of failure sucks |
| 02:07.48 | TSWoodV | JeffM2501: Legacy support has killed more than one product. Just how old does it have to support? |
| 02:07.53 | JeffM2501 | the best way is to have more then one host |
| 02:07.59 | JeffM2501 | TSWoodV, just 2.0 |
| 02:08.14 | spldart | I couldn't seem to convince him that a distributed database of massive transactions was even possible |
| 02:08.16 | JeffM2501 | 1.10 didn' do auth |
| 02:08.22 | blast007 | 1.10 and back only had local auth |
| 02:08.30 | blast007 | and 1.7 has a seperate list |
| 02:08.33 | TSWoodV | JeffM2501: So 2.0 required an upgrade. Why can't 2.2? |
| 02:08.35 | spldart | He said syncing, bandwidth issues was to much to overome |
| 02:08.42 | blast007 | which I hope nobody uses 1.7 anymore ;) |
| 02:08.43 | JeffM2501 | a_meteorite, everyone is asigned the disconected group |
| 02:08.53 | JeffM2501 | TSWoodV, but 1.10 still worked :) |
| 02:08.54 | a_meteorite | ah ok |
| 02:09.16 | JeffM2501 | we actualy had kerbos implemeted at one point |
| 02:09.19 | JeffM2501 | Tim didn't like it |
| 02:09.22 | blast007 | TSWoodV: even 1.7 still works, just everyone has moved on from that |
| 02:09.23 | JeffM2501 | and it was "iffy" on many systems |
| 02:09.31 | TSWoodV | How many registered users of bzflag are there? I don't see a huge number of folks on at any given time, so I'd suggest that the number is relatively small - thousands, perhaps, but not tens of thousands. |
| 02:09.41 | JeffM2501 | we've had this discusison before |
| 02:09.49 | TSWoodV | JeffM2501: Kerberos is iffy anywhere it's ever been installed. |
| 02:09.50 | JeffM2501 | it's in the thousands |
| 02:10.16 | JeffM2501 | the current idea is to redo the auth system to be better for 2.2, and make it use a network of linked servers |
| 02:10.32 | JeffM2501 | and have one node in that network replicate the userdata back to 2.0 servers |
| 02:10.42 | TSWoodV | That's not a huge database, by any means. Distributed servers should work, then. And it sounds as if it's well along in the planning process. |
| 02:11.05 | JeffM2501 | well a plan is one thing |
| 02:11.08 | JeffM2501 | implementation another |
| 02:11.24 | JeffM2501 | the big problem right now seems to be jsut that fact that it uses apache, and gets atacked easaly |
| 02:11.35 | TSWoodV | Where is 2.2 in the process? Still planning, or has code been written? |
| 02:11.50 | spldart | It's evolving |
| 02:11.51 | JeffM2501 | CVS head has been 2.1.x for years |
| 02:12.00 | a_meteorite | years?! |
| 02:12.03 | JeffM2501 | well over a year at least |
| 02:12.09 | spldart | maybe a tad |
| 02:12.12 | JeffM2501 | but yeah, we split it off back on 2.0.4 |
| 02:12.24 | JeffM2501 | maybe before, I don't remember |
| 02:12.27 | spldart | Definitely a tad over a year |
| 02:12.42 | spldart | But way less than 2 |
| 02:12.45 | a_meteorite | but not years. I thought I was losing my mind over time for a second ;) |
| 02:13.06 | TSWoodV | Man, the listserver must've been down for a *long* time... ;-) |
| 02:13.18 | JeffM2501 | our current problem is that the database is stuck inside phpbb, so part of coming up with a new system means hacking it out of the fourms, coming up with a new admin interface, and still keeping the fourms using the new system |
| 02:13.24 | JeffM2501 | hun? |
| 02:14.13 | a_meteorite | JeffM2501: never mind, I'm tired and making no sense |
| 02:14.22 | a_meteorite | this school is taking everything out of me |
| 02:15.44 | JeffM2501 | actualy it's been not quite a year |
| 02:15.48 | JeffM2501 | it's seemed longer |
| 02:15.58 | JeffM2501 | 10/25/05 |
| 02:17.27 | blast007 | it would have been a year if it wasn't for those meddling kids, and their talking dog! |
| 02:18.07 | a_meteorite | a talking dog! |
| 02:18.21 | a_meteorite | martians next right? |
| 02:18.35 | JeffM2501 | wow your young |
| 02:18.50 | a_meteorite | I guess.. did I miss something? |
| 02:18.58 | JeffM2501 | yes |
| 02:18.59 | JeffM2501 | a decade |
| 02:19.03 | a_meteorite | figures |
| 02:19.15 | blast007 | heh |
| 02:19.16 | a_meteorite | I'm always late 10 years even when I get older |
| 02:19.22 | a_meteorite | ;) |
| 02:19.37 | a_meteorite | bad joke, huh? |
| 02:20.49 | blast007 | *bum bum chish* |
| 02:22.46 | brlcad | okay, I added something to mod_security that should block the next attack |
| 02:22.46 | a_meteorite | I hope :) |
| 02:22.46 | blast007 | yay for mod_security! |
| 02:22.46 | a_meteorite | is apache thrashing for memory? |
| 02:22.47 | a_meteorite | or cpu? |
| 02:22.47 | *** part/#bzflag fiveofoh (n=Joel@dsl-205-134-214-50.lacey-1.reachoneinternet.net) |
| 02:22.47 | brlcad | not really |
| 02:22.48 | a_meteorite | so what really causes apache to lock itself up? |
| 02:22.48 | brlcad | about 300 simultaneous connections all wanting attention |
| 02:22.49 | a_meteorite | heh |
| 02:22.49 | brlcad | apache is actually not locked up |
| 02:22.49 | brlcad | it's responding like mad |
| 02:22.57 | a_meteorite | I know I'll get kicked for this, but I bet lighttpd can handle that |
| 02:22.57 | JeffM2501 | just not to everyone |
| 02:22.57 | brlcad | if bz's timeout were longer, it would eventually respond |
| 02:23.12 | blast007 | a_meteorite: not necessarily |
| 02:23.27 | a_meteorite | blast007: even if it was twice as efficient that's a huge gain |
| 02:23.42 | blast007 | yeah, then it just takes 600 connections to slow it down :) |
| 02:23.43 | a_meteorite | and it is twice as efficient in responding.. |
| 02:23.48 | blast007 | which with a botnet is not hard |
| 02:23.54 | a_meteorite | *sigh* |
| 02:23.59 | a_meteorite | you're right :) |
| 02:24.29 | a_meteorite | I really wish there was a way to fix it before implementing a distributed list server |
| 02:24.33 | a_meteorite | or at least help it along |
| 02:25.00 | JeffM2501 | ban more people |
| 02:25.07 | brlcad | a_meteorite: there is.. just keeping an eye on the activity (which we're doing), and responding to the issues as they arise |
| 02:25.27 | a_meteorite | then they get their kick and do it again |
| 02:25.32 | brlcad | this is the.. 10th "event" of a similar nature iirc? |
| 02:25.48 | brlcad | and most of them have no commonality |
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| 02:25.56 | brlcad | i.e. no means to prevent them all without banning the world |
| 02:25.57 | a_meteorite | have all of them originated from russia? |
| 02:26.02 | brlcad | no |
| 02:26.13 | Mimic | sorry guys, how come i can't view any servers using 2.0.8? |
| 02:26.25 | a_meteorite | the list server was down |
| 02:26.26 | JeffM2501 | Mimic, the list was down, it is up now |
| 02:26.32 | Mimic | o sweet |
| 02:26.35 | blast007 | a_meteorite: even if they were, what are we going to do, ban russia? :) |
| 02:26.38 | brlcad | there are two class-B russia bans in effect (that have gotten 30k hits on one of them) |
| 02:26.50 | a_meteorite | blast007: sure, let's ban the russian mafia! ;) |
| 02:26.53 | blast007 | hehe |
| 02:27.01 | Mimic | awesome! |
| 02:27.18 | brlcad | that still didn't prevent todays event |
| 02:27.29 | Mimic | hey guys, what's a decent FFA server for newbs? |
| 02:27.35 | Mimic | boxy? =D |
| 02:27.35 | a_meteorite | planet mofo, badgerking's |
| 02:27.41 | a_meteorite | boxy is more ffa than ctf |
| 02:28.32 | a_meteorite | and I own bzfx by the way :) |
| 02:28.32 | Mimic | u mean the other way around? lol |
| 02:28.33 | Mimic | o ya? awesome |
| 02:28.33 | a_meteorite | if you count geno as ctf, then yeah |
| 02:28.33 | a_meteorite | ;) |
| 02:28.34 | a_meteorite | I try not to be too biased towards my own servers, but boxy is a favorite among many |
| 02:38.21 | brlcad | JeffM2501: got a sec? |
| 02:38.43 | JeffM2501 | sure |
| 02:39.33 | spldart | he's just check'n |
| 02:39.38 | JeffM2501 | heh |
| 02:40.10 | brlcad | looking for some cad/cam industry eyes, comments on http://brlcad.org/Industry_Diagram.pdf |
| 02:40.40 | brlcad | anything I got blatently wrong, or seems wrong? |
| 02:40.58 | spldart | mmMMmm ECAD is for me |
| 02:41.10 | JeffM2501 | let me close this modified marathon map, and put it on a machine with acrobat |
| 02:41.28 | brlcad | i can make a png if you want |
| 02:41.43 | JeffM2501 | I have it |
| 02:41.48 | JeffM2501 | wow that's some overlaping colors |
| 02:41.52 | JeffM2501 | gotta remember how to read those |
| 02:43.20 | JeffM2501 | yeah, your sayin that CAAD dosn't hit mfg, that makes sense, and CAE dosn't hit much of CAAD |
| 02:43.23 | brlcad | sort of venn diagramish of the various cad domains and how they interact |
| 02:43.32 | JeffM2501 | since that's usualy a one way stree |
| 02:43.40 | JeffM2501 | design-> analasis->mfg |
| 02:44.31 | JeffM2501 | a fair amount of machining goes right from caad to manufacture |
| 02:44.55 | JeffM2501 | we mostly get stuff right out of solidworks design, with little analasiss |
| 02:45.04 | JeffM2501 | it's often cheaper to make one or 2 and try and break it :) |
| 02:45.12 | JeffM2501 | then to run a sim on it |
| 02:45.34 | brlcad | from caad or cadd? |
| 02:45.44 | JeffM2501 | CADD sorry |
| 02:45.49 | brlcad | heh |
| 02:45.51 | JeffM2501 | I've NEVER seen architectualy stuff in mfg |
| 02:46.02 | JeffM2501 | I don't see any glaring errors tho |
| 02:46.08 | JeffM2501 | I've seen big ass CNCs |
| 02:46.19 | JeffM2501 | like that could machine a small one story house |
| 02:46.25 | brlcad | wow |
| 02:46.26 | JeffM2501 | but they use those for like ship propellors |
| 02:46.33 | JeffM2501 | BIG ship propellors |
| 02:46.36 | brlcad | sweet, never seen that |
| 02:46.45 | JeffM2501 | large gantry machines are spooky |
| 02:46.53 | JeffM2501 | the dude rides with the tool in a booth |
| 02:47.18 | JeffM2501 | europe has a lot of huge ganry style machines |
| 02:47.33 | JeffM2501 | stuff that makes the big metal parts of the large scale earthmoving stuff |
| 02:48.13 | JeffM2501 | so your saying you are in mostly analaiss, wiht some design, and no mfg |
| 02:48.23 | JeffM2501 | you have some electronics? |
| 02:50.54 | brlcad | minimal capability, not nearly enough to support the ECAD community |
| 02:51.57 | JeffM2501 | sounds like our general cad capability :) |
| 02:52.01 | brlcad | but enough to represent the models, procedural generation, signal analysis, etc |
| 02:52.01 | JeffM2501 | "we draw lines" |
| 02:55.03 | orange | JeffM2501: remember the disconnected group you set up? Is there a reason why a 'custom' permission (one that is used only by a plugin) would not work in that group? |
| 02:55.14 | brlcad | can I get a screenie of what it looks like rendered to you on windows? |
| 02:55.46 | JeffM2501 | it's a standard perm group, so it shoudl work |
| 02:55.50 | JeffM2501 | brlcad, sure one sec |
| 02:56.07 | orange | dang, all the other perms work |
| 02:56.14 | orange | but not that one (TIMELIMIT) |
| 02:56.22 | orange | those don't show up in /groupperms |
| 02:57.53 | JeffM2501 | brlcad, http://www.opencombat.net/files/industryThingy.PNG |
| 02:58.25 | JeffM2501 | back to waldo world :) |
| 02:59.04 | spldart | lol |
| 02:59.19 | brlcad | danka good kind sir JeffM2501 |
| 02:59.32 | JeffM2501 | sure |
| 03:05.18 | JeffM2501 | ugg this is the worst editor ever |
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| 03:37.25 | JeffM2501 | anyone know if blender an import obj right outa the box? |
| 03:38.05 | purple_cow | assuming it's the more-common obj, yes |
| 03:38.10 | JeffM2501 | yeah it is |
| 03:39.56 | JeffM2501 | ahhh now I remember why I uninstalled blender. |
| 03:41.15 | purple_cow | ? |
| 03:41.27 | purple_cow | blender is so great |
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| 03:41.37 | JeffM2501 | dos box you can't close, file IO that is so very difrent |
| 03:41.44 | JeffM2501 | oh I'm sure it can do many many cool things |
| 03:41.51 | JeffM2501 | it's just not intutitive |
| 03:41.51 | purple_cow | well, the file selector is kind of odd |
| 03:41.59 | JeffM2501 | kind of? |
| 03:42.00 | purple_cow | but yeah, unintuitive |
| 03:42.08 | purple_cow | ok, really odd |
| 03:42.10 | JeffM2501 | it's how gimp was 3 years ago :) |
| 03:42.11 | purple_cow | but it has a ghost icon |
| 03:42.13 | purple_cow | how cool is that? |
| 03:42.16 | JeffM2501 | heh |
| 03:42.27 | JeffM2501 | I just want something I can pick a face and asign a texture to that face |
| 03:42.32 | JeffM2501 | and maybe nudge it around |
| 03:42.48 | purple_cow | and it's not just any, run-of-the-mill ghost either |
| 03:42.52 | purple_cow | it's pac-man inspired |
| 03:43.08 | JeffM2501 | heh |
| 03:43.23 | JeffM2501 | not that I'm saying lightwave can do what I want easy as well |
| 03:43.37 | JeffM2501 | milkshape's lighting is a joke |
| 03:44.15 | JeffM2501 | 3ds max fills me with a burning burning rage |
| 03:45.27 | purple_cow | hehe |
| 03:45.37 | JeffM2501 | it teselates everything |
| 03:51.48 | trepan | JeffM2501: tried wings3d? (does do N-gons) |
| 03:52.08 | JeffM2501 | yeah, it almost go it right |
| 03:52.17 | JeffM2501 | just can't see how to set the bloddy texture |
| 03:53.39 | trepan | file -> import image; then in the outliner window, drop the image on the material as a diffuse tex (iirc) |
| 03:53.58 | JeffM2501 | have to set a material for each texture? |
| 03:54.31 | trepan | for 14 diffuse textures, you'll need 14 materials |
| 03:54.35 | trepan | kinda standard |
| 03:54.42 | JeffM2501 | yeah so I've seen |
| 03:54.47 | JeffM2501 | that's what I'm trying to avoid |
| 03:55.20 | trepan | how would you have it work then? |
| 04:02.05 | JeffM2501 | well I'm kinda not doing a normal thing |
| 04:02.15 | JeffM2501 | I want the same material properies, just a difrent texture |
| 04:02.18 | JeffM2501 | for faces |
| 04:02.45 | JeffM2501 | I already have the UVs, I just need to maybe nudge them around |
| 04:02.49 | trepan | easy in bzw format :) |
| 04:02.52 | JeffM2501 | scale, shift, rotate. |
| 04:03.01 | JeffM2501 | visualy :) |
| 04:03.19 | JeffM2501 | it's an interior, not a set of objects |
| 04:05.14 | trepan | iirc, you can attach a new texture to faces in wings while remapping UVs (without playing with the materials) |
| 04:05.43 | trepan | just drag and drop the texture from the outliner window into the UV window |
| 04:07.56 | JeffM2501 | I have it running now I'll give it a shot |
| 04:08.24 | JeffM2501 | I'm just looking for better ways to define structures in torque |
| 04:08.31 | JeffM2501 | cus quark sucks |
| 04:08.35 | JeffM2501 | and sucks long and hard |
| 04:09.11 | JeffM2501 | at least wings3d has a real file dialog |
| 04:09.40 | JeffM2501 | I'm sure blender will do all I want, but I don't want to learn a new thing fully just yet, if I do take the time to learn a new thing, I'll learn max |
| 04:10.15 | JeffM2501 | mostly I'm just amazed at the generaly "cheezy" feel of most modelers, even the pro ones |
| 04:10.28 | JeffM2501 | it's like there is no "photoshop" of modelers |
| 04:11.57 | trepan | tried Z, silo, modo, hex? |
| 04:12.06 | JeffM2501 | never heard of those |
| 04:12.12 | JeffM2501 | but willing to look |
| 04:13.03 | JeffM2501 | I mean it'd be realy cool to have a pallet of materails, a paint bucket tool, and then just be able to fill in faces :) |
| 04:13.13 | trepan | zbrush = THE standard for modelling finishing work (from what I gather) |
| 04:13.48 | trepan | hex = hexagon (fairly recent, supposed to be good) |
| 04:13.52 | JeffM2501 | hmm I should bring rhino home too, see what it can do |
| 04:14.04 | JeffM2501 | ahh yeah seen hexagon on the daz site |
| 04:14.12 | trepan | which pro ones have you used? |
| 04:14.17 | JeffM2501 | didn't look into it cus there other tool "daz studio" was a joke |
| 04:14.22 | JeffM2501 | lightwave, and max mostly |
| 04:14.44 | JeffM2501 | a little of miya as well |
| 04:15.03 | JeffM2501 | for modeling I like lightwave, it just has suck UV tools |
| 04:15.47 | JeffM2501 | max has the dialog based interface from hell |
| 04:16.14 | trepan | Z was primarily a surface displacemen tool (great for normal maps, surface texture painting, etc...), but has added more then just that |
| 04:18.59 | JeffM2501 | how do you make wings render with textures? |
| 04:19.18 | JeffM2501 | ahh, deslect the face :) |
| 04:20.48 | JeffM2501 | ok, that isn't too horible |
| 04:22.30 | trepan | it's just a pity that such a clean/simple interface is attached to that slow backend |
| 04:23.43 | JeffM2501 | also too bad they don't have a batch image import that makes a material out of each of em :) |
| 04:24.57 | trepan | true (at least the batch import part ;) |
| 04:26.11 | JeffM2501 | ok, and a jpeg reader that didn't suck |
| 04:28.35 | trepan | think it uses jpeglib, don't use them much for textures myself |
| 04:29.17 | JeffM2501 | geting errors sayin "unknown tag type 0x03" |
| 04:29.22 | JeffM2501 | convert to png and it's all good |
| 04:30.39 | JeffM2501 | how does one pan the view? |
| 04:31.14 | trepan | prolly 'q', depends on the mouse mode |
| 04:31.29 | JeffM2501 | ahh there it goes, thanks |
| 04:31.43 | trepan | (set in options, does blender, turntable mode, etc...) |
| 04:33.52 | trepan | and one somewhat hidden feature is the hotbinding, just press 'insert' while over a menu entry |
| 04:34.16 | trepan | and then the key you want it bound to... |
| 04:34.25 | JeffM2501 | nice |
| 04:35.06 | trepan | remembered it cause i just added the same kind of thing to Spring ;) |
| 04:37.24 | JeffM2501 | is there a way to just scale the UV's of a face? |
| 04:38.30 | trepan | pick the face in the uv window, and scale |
| 04:38.50 | trepan | separate it first if that's what you're looking for |
| 04:44.16 | JeffM2501 | ok, slowly it makes sense |
| 04:44.29 | JeffM2501 | tho numeric entry woulda been fine by me :) |
| 04:45.16 | trepan | tab for numeric, or enter, can't remember |
| 04:45.34 | trepan | also ctrl and shift to quantize |
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| 05:35.22 | Skeeve | forum spam http://my.bzflag.org/bb/viewtopic.php?t=8872 |
| 05:35.47 | Skeeve | and http://my.bzflag.org/bb/viewtopic.php?t=8873 |
| 05:36.53 | Skeeve | All from steve2008! http://my.bzflag.org/bb/viewtopic.php?t=8871 |
| 05:37.00 | JeffM2501 | yes I see |
| 05:37.03 | JeffM2501 | one was enough :) |
| 05:37.08 | Skeeve | sry |
| 05:39.09 | JeffM2501 | all done |
| 05:40.00 | Skeeve | Who can do this when you sleep? |
| 05:40.57 | JeffM2501 | it gets done in the morning then |
| 05:41.01 | JeffM2501 | or there are other admins |
| 05:41.39 | JeffM2501 | it's no great loss if it sits there for a couple hours |
| 05:41.56 | Skeeve | I'm just asking because yesterday there was spam too... During your nighttime and there was no one who acted that promptly |
| 05:42.13 | Skeeve | I didn't know whom to tell here in IRC |
| 05:43.03 | JeffM2501 | most wait till I get up |
| 05:43.18 | JeffM2501 | just drop me a PM and I'll take care of it when I get to work |
| 05:43.56 | Skeeve | Okay |
| 05:44.40 | Skeeve | Would be good there were a button "report this post" |
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| 05:45.15 | JeffM2501 | naw, dosn't happen enough |
| 05:45.16 | Skeeve | I know this from other forums |
| 05:45.21 | JeffM2501 | it would get abbused like mad |
| 05:45.32 | Skeeve | It happens quite frequently these days |
| 05:45.42 | Skeeve | Sure? |
| 05:46.11 | JeffM2501 | just a couple times a week |
| 05:46.16 | JeffM2501 | that's not "A lot" |
| 05:46.22 | JeffM2501 | it's manageable |
| 05:50.49 | Skeeve | okay |
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| 08:00.21 | Quag7 | Is there a command to save the world I'm playing to my hard drive? I seem to remember there was a way to do this but I can't recall now |
| 08:01.18 | JeffM2501 | save world |
| 08:01.21 | JeffM2501 | it's a menu item |
| 08:01.26 | Quag7 | oh! |
| 08:01.33 | Quag7 | ok then, didnt even think to look |
| 08:01.33 | Quag7 | thanks |
| 08:03.03 | Skeeve | Does anyone know what happend to bzflag.wnc.or.at? |
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| 11:45.40 | Mr_Molez | ~bzflist |
| 11:46.13 | Skeeve | Is it down? I get no connection to stats |
| 11:46.33 | Mr_Molez | is it ever up :P ? |
| 11:47.13 | Skeeve | Do you answer everything with a question? ;-P :-P |
| 11:47.25 | Mr_Molez | ;) |
| 11:48.08 | Skeeve | So no wonder my script hangs.... |
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| 11:55.46 | spldart | Poop.... I assume it's still down |
| 11:55.50 | spldart | ~bzflist |
| 11:57.11 | ToughShooter | Skeeve: Your script should do a timeout perhaps ;) |
| 11:59.41 | spldart | He says just as my firefox time's out trying to my.bzflag.org |
| 11:59.42 | spldart | LOL |
| 11:59.53 | menotume | fixed |
| 12:00.15 | spldart | woohoo |
| 12:00.17 | ToughShooter | yay for meno :) |
| 12:00.21 | ToughShooter | ~menotume++ |
| 12:19.23 | Skeeve | Of course, ToughShooter... But It's not done yet, so the timeout-code is still missing |
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| 12:30.39 | brlcad | Skeeve: also, it would simply be more beneficial to upgrade before moding something like a "report this" -- newer versions have more safeguards |
| 12:31.09 | brlcad | hmm |
| 12:31.20 | Skeeve | ??? What do you mean, brlcad? |
| 12:31.28 | brlcad | ~bzflist |
| 12:31.38 | brlcad | Skeeve: your talk four hours ago |
| 12:32.03 | Skeeve | 4 hours ago? How can I remember that? ;-) |
| 12:32.08 | brlcad | menotume: did you see what caused that? |
| 12:32.19 | Skeeve | Hey! I'm almost 42! Alzheimer is approching |
| 12:32.20 | brlcad | Skeeve: it's right there in my log .. /me points ;) |
| 12:32.57 | menotume | brlcad: no :( |
| 12:32.59 | brlcad | not much has been said since ;) |
| 12:33.08 | brlcad | did you just restart it? |
| 12:33.12 | Skeeve | You mean my hanging script? |
| 12:33.13 | menotume | yes sir |
| 12:33.31 | brlcad | i wish we could figure out what's causing that |
| 12:33.59 | brlcad | but i've yet to see a symptom in the log |
| 12:38.46 | spldart | meh... butt |
| 12:39.08 | spldart | apache has alzheimers... it forgot |
| 12:40.42 | Skeeve | brlcad: I still don't know what you want to tell me. 4 hours ago? I didn't talk about any modding |
| 12:41.00 | Skeeve | Did I? |
| 12:41.50 | menotume | brlcad hasn't had his coffee yet |
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| 12:55.50 | Skeeve | So now my script has a timeout, ToughShooter |
| 12:56.58 | menotume | shall i take m.b.o. down so you can test it? :P |
| 12:57.17 | Skeeve | No |
| 12:57.25 | Skeeve | Did so by simply changing the url |
| 12:58.02 | Skeeve | I hope it's not a problem when I download every 5 minutes 2 HTML pages (just the HTMLno images) |
| 13:02.31 | Skeeve | Did you take it down? |
| 13:02.46 | Skeeve | is 20 sec connection time to short for a timeout? |
| 13:06.49 | Skeeve | Is it true that you begin to talk to yourself, when you get older? |
| 13:07.02 | Skeeve | Is it a sign for dementia? |
| 13:07.11 | Skeeve | No Skeeve! It isn't! |
| 13:07.15 | Skeeve | (I hope) |
| 13:09.32 | spldart | o_O |
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| 13:17.13 | Skeeve | spldart: What's special about spldart.opencombat.net 5153? It tells me that I have an incompatible version!? |
| 13:17.57 | spldart | I still server the old protocol 1910 from bz ver 1.10 for some legacy players |
| 13:18.12 | Skeeve | Ah! Okay |
| 13:18.26 | Skeeve | So I could connect (maybe) with my old SGI!? |
| 13:18.35 | spldart | So 1 legacy, one current and one HEAD |
| 13:18.36 | Skeeve | *SGI |
| 13:18.52 | spldart | Old client... after 1.7 but before 2.0 |
| 13:19.15 | Skeeve | I'm not sure.... Maybe it's not old but ancient |
| 13:19.48 | spldart | I'm used to getting called ancient one ;) |
| 13:20.19 | spldart | But... I think all that are born before internet for the public are used to that :) |
| 13:20.40 | Skeeve | I am |
| 13:20.55 | Skeeve | BTW: The logo on www.opencombat.net is done by Jeff? |
| 13:21.28 | Skeeve | I'm just asking because that girl looks a bit drunken if you look at her nose |
| 13:21.50 | Skeeve | And she also seems to need glasses ;-) |
| 13:21.59 | spldart | heh |
| 13:22.16 | spldart | LOLOL |
| 13:22.35 | spldart | I have no idea... Perhaps a fantisy girl? Budumbum |
| 13:23.30 | Skeeve | I think I'll have to ask him some time |
| 13:23.34 | CBG | shehas a cold, Skeeve |
| 13:23.44 | Skeeve | Ah! Okay... |
| 13:23.46 | Skeeve | ;-) |
| 13:24.00 | Skeeve | No wonder what she's wearing |
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| 13:28.03 | Mr_Molez | CBG: 1vs1 contest match ? |
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| 13:28.53 | CBG | ooooohooohohohhhhhhhhh |
| 13:28.55 | CBG | ok Mr_Molez |
| 13:29.31 | Mr_Molez | 5160 my love |
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| 13:35.14 | Quag7 | Using a meshbox - I have a texture on it that, on the top of the cube, is layered on at 45 degrees - anyone have a suggestion on how to make it go on at a normal 90/180 degrees? |
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| 13:42.18 | Bz_Win | Use a mesh |
| 13:42.24 | Bz_Win | They texture much better |
| 13:44.23 | trepan | Quag7: or get a recent version of bzfs (2.0.8 or better), and use a 'box' instead of meshbox |
| 13:49.00 | trepan | http://my.bzflag.org/bb/viewtopic.php?t=8199&highlight=meshbox |
| 13:49.11 | trepan | guess it was post 2.0.8 |
| 13:49.20 | Skeeve | Does anyone know what happend to bzflag.wnc.or.at? Or does anyone host it's map? |
| 13:49.58 | Quag7 | The version I have won't take textures on boxes - I take it post 2.0.8 will? |
| 13:50.10 | Mr_Molez | Pimpi: ping |
| 13:51.21 | CBG | box in 2.0.8 == meshbox in older versions? or different again? |
| 13:51.46 | CBG | ok, box in *post 2.0.8* |
| 13:52.55 | trepan | read the post, they're better then meshboxes |
| 13:53.09 | spldart | LOL... |
| 13:53.14 | spldart | a knew bot park |
| 13:53.20 | spldart | spitfire atarack com |
| 13:53.50 | spldart | unlimited shots with only 1 other real player when I joined but then about 4 when I left |
| 13:56.12 | spldart | Doesn't seem to be allowing my bots.. |
| 13:56.15 | spldart | hrm |
| 13:56.39 | spldart | I wonder how he got all those bots on there but prevented mine |
| 13:57.23 | trepan | magic |
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| 14:11.50 | spldart | ping> a_meteorite |
| 14:12.06 | spldart | The player left after I brought it up... |
| 14:12.39 | Pimpi | Mr_Molez: pong |
| 14:12.39 | spldart | Tank 'yugar' was driving around with CL but goin through walls too |
| 14:12.50 | spldart | On a regular basis |
| 14:13.05 | spldart | Wasn't a very good player though |
| 14:13.07 | Mr_Molez | Pimpi: the 1vs1 server. Match don't seem to save a replay file.. Would be good to have replays especially for the tourny |
| 14:13.30 | Pimpi | ok, i?ll check |
| 14:13.38 | Pimpi | ty for info |
| 14:13.47 | Mr_Molez | Pimpi: also catays plugin said the name of the file that it was saved to but seems to not be showing |
| 14:14.10 | Mr_Molez | Pimpi: one last thing... would be nice if the replay list showed the most recently played matches at the bottom, so they are easy to find |
| 14:14.14 | Mr_Molez | Pimpi: sorry for complaining :P |
| 14:14.19 | spldart | Sorry... should have mentioned it was on bzfx.net:6026 |
| 14:14.50 | Pimpi | Mr_Molez: yes, i know. however isn?t there a list option for that? |
| 14:15.53 | Mr_Molez | Pimpi: not that i can find.. i tried /replay list -t and -n |
| 14:16.01 | Mr_Molez | Pimpi: but neither did it |
| 14:16.23 | Pimpi | ok |
| 14:24.33 | TheBarron | wee.e.. friggin join flooder going through servers |
| 14:25.32 | spldart | ~bzquery badgerking.fielders.us:5667 |
| 14:25.59 | spldart | ~bzquery badgerking.fiedlers.us:5667 |
| 14:26.19 | spldart | is it 'bzfquery'? |
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| 14:27.10 | ToughShooter | yupp, don't forget the f |
| 14:27.16 | sussi | hi |
| 14:27.28 | sussi | any team up for a quick match (ducati) |
| 14:27.35 | spldart | ~bzfquery badgerking.fiedlers.us:5667 |
| 14:27.50 | spldart | ah |
| 14:27.55 | spldart | was worried a second there |
| 14:28.08 | spldart | I could use some ducati practice... I need more practice :( |
| 14:28.14 | spldart | <PROTECTED> |
| 14:29.15 | spldart | They were bush bashing and US bashing in there so I started talking back at them then everything went unresponsive... thought I got knocked off on purpose |
| 14:29.54 | TheBarron | if multiple players are from the same address, will kick/banning one of them do all of them, or just the one nick? |
| 14:30.15 | TheBarron | like, from a poll.. not from an admin point of view. It'd be easy if I was admin :) |
| 14:30.54 | Skeeve | Would you like to setup badgerking on your machine, spldart? I downloaded the map |
| 14:31.04 | *** part/#bzflag yummy (i=chatzill@nat/ibm/x-06ebdb057c2bf5dc) |
| 14:31.06 | spldart | nah |
| 14:31.18 | spldart | I'm just bouncing through the servers :) |
| 14:31.37 | Skeeve | I'm still missing wnc.or.at :-( |
| 14:31.44 | TheBarron | eh? It came back |
| 14:31.48 | Skeeve | And forgot to download that map :-( |
| 14:32.05 | Mr_Molez | TheBarron: will do all.. I had YOUR DEAD on my server the other day (trying to get admin rights), he brought some weird name in and starting swearing and such. Well when we banned his other name he went too :p |
| 14:32.16 | TheBarron | Skeeve: did it disappear again? |
| 14:32.20 | spldart | I keep a selection of maps I've downloaded over the last 18 months or more.. but only ones I liked |
| 14:32.33 | Skeeve | Don't see it in the list |
| 14:33.17 | Skeeve | No. Can't connect... Is port 5154 still correct? |
| 14:34.02 | TheBarron | Skeeve: dunno.. it was in the list as of yesterday. It was gone for a while, I was very disappointed, then it came back, was very happy |
| 14:34.06 | TheBarron | didn't know it was gone again |
| 14:34.19 | TheBarron | but guess what... I HAVE THE MAP! :) So I'll host it soon if it doesn't come back |
| 14:34.27 | Skeeve | GREAT! |
| 14:34.43 | Skeeve | A_Meteorite already offered to host it I guess 3 weeks ago |
| 14:35.00 | Skeeve | Was very sad I didn't have the map |
| 14:35.41 | TheBarron | yeah, I started searching trying to figure out how to get the map when it disappeared. So when it came back, it was the first thing I did, to grab the map |
| 14:36.15 | Skeeve | Where will you host it, so that I can find it. |
| 14:37.03 | TheBarron | I'll refer to "wnc.or.at" in the description when I do, don't worry :) |
| 14:37.13 | Skeeve | Great |
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| 14:43.56 | Skeeve | :-( No one is on big mad citty 2 |
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| 14:46.24 | spldart | meh... just started playing hepcat and stupid phone rang... big mad city? |
| 14:46.48 | spldart | I'm sure if I hang in there with you for a few minutes It'll pick up some players |
| 14:46.58 | Skeeve | Let's try |
| 14:50.17 | spldart | Was I lagging or you? |
| 14:51.51 | spldart | bbl :) |
| 14:51.52 | Skeeve | Me |
| 14:52.06 | Skeeve | Iwas kicked because of excessive lag |
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| 15:19.00 | brlcad | wow, no wonder the exploit attempts log is so large.. |
| 15:19.32 | brlcad | the site is hit with an attempt almost every 5-10 seconds (from various/random hosts) |
| 15:21.31 | brlcad | about 80,000 attempts blocked over the past two months |
| 15:23.08 | Chestal | phpbb exploits? |
| 15:27.52 | cosmos | yeah we had someone install phpbb on an exposed server by accident and it got rooted in less than 8 seconds after install |
| 15:27.55 | brlcad | mostly |
| 15:30.55 | Manu | hola brlcad :) |
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| 15:43.17 | spldart | holy poop and crap |
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| 16:09.22 | ToughShooter | Teppic: ping |
| 16:09.34 | Teppic | <PROTECTED> |
| 16:09.49 | ToughShooter | I have a problem with your bzw tools regarding blender |
| 16:09.58 | ToughShooter | Platform is Mac OS X |
| 16:10.29 | ToughShooter | Blender does not find a module called bzflag when I try to use your tool |
| 16:11.36 | ToughShooter | ok, I continue in private |
| 16:12.27 | brlcad | hola se?or Manu |
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| 16:43.44 | brlcad | heh, incredible.. http://www.mcgirt.net/RC/VIDEOS/Giant_B52/ |
| 16:44.16 | brlcad | cost about 12k just for the 8 turbine engines, 2 years to build it |
| 16:44.51 | cosmos | how long before it can bomb iran? |
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| 16:45.56 | brlcad | considering they crashed it.. probably quite a while before the get another 15k together ;) |
| 16:46.28 | cosmos | 15k is cheap for a bomber |
| 16:47.53 | cosmos | they need to build an RC space shuttle that can actually break the atmosphere |
| 16:49.10 | Mr_Molez | has anyone got blender bzflag plugins working on windows ? |
| 16:50.05 | orange | that was just sad, brlcad |
| 16:51.27 | brlcad | it was! |
| 16:54.26 | brlcad | anyone have xpdf that can test some pdfs for me? |
| 16:57.29 | JeffM2501 | mary belongs to the words of a song.. I try to be strong for her.. try not to be wrong for her.. |
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| 17:00.09 | trepan | brlcad: sure |
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| 17:04.29 | [dmp] | brlcad: i got xpdf |
| 17:06.04 | brlcad | [dmp]: much thanks, though trepan already tested |
| 17:07.05 | Mr_Molez | Teppic: ping |
| 17:07.12 | Teppic | ya? |
| 17:07.33 | Mr_Molez | your documentation http://www.teppic.homelinux.net/BZWTools/documents.html |
| 17:07.43 | Mr_Molez | it says C:\Program Files\Blender Foundation\Blender\.blender) |
| 17:07.52 | Teppic | Yep |
| 17:07.53 | Mr_Molez | is it not C:\Program Files\Blender Foundation\Blender\.blender\scripts |
| 17:08.11 | spldart | em |
| 17:08.15 | Teppic | try wiki.teppic.homelinux.net |
| 17:09.00 | Mr_Molez | wiki says its /scripts :P |
| 17:09.16 | Mr_Molez | but that other url says a different location ? |
| 17:09.21 | Teppic | Mr_Molez: no that archive contains the whole scripts dir. But use the wiki, there are new and more comprehensive instructions. |
| 17:09.28 | Mr_Molez | ah ok |
| 17:09.44 | Mr_Molez | i only saw that page and was trying to work out for 20 mins why it aint showing the plugin in blender |
| 17:09.53 | spldart | wow.. that jet model website has some serious bandwidth 8-0 |
| 17:09.54 | Teppic | And check the changelog for the newest snapshot. |
| 17:10.06 | Mr_Molez | Teppic: ok thanks |
| 17:10.21 | Teppic | I will delete the old pages, my bad really..... |
| 17:11.19 | Mr_Molez | Teppic: one more question |
| 17:11.26 | Teppic | ya |
| 17:12.05 | Mr_Molez | oh nevermind i figured that out, thnx |
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| 18:36.00 | spldart | Wow... practice pays off |
| 18:36.21 | spldart | Hepcat was at top of list so I jumped in there and stayed top 4 off and on :-) |
| 18:36.31 | spldart | I'm psyched.. sick as hell but psyched |
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| 19:23.27 | edward-ca2 | hi - newbie question, could anyone explain what the black bubbles are? |
| 19:23.37 | brlcad | black bubbles? |
| 19:24.27 | edward-ca2 | yes - some tanks hide in em, and can't be shot.. don't seem to be any flags for them |
| 19:24.32 | blast007 | ah |
| 19:24.49 | brlcad | ahh, hehe |
| 19:24.51 | blast007 | that's when a tank is either paused, or is having network communcation issues |
| 19:25.06 | brlcad | usually paused |
| 19:25.16 | blast007 | if you see a [P] by their name, they are paused, and if they have an [NR], they are not responding |
| 19:25.28 | brlcad | unless you see them moving in those "black bubbles" |
| 19:25.32 | CBG | if they are moving in the bubble, they are NR for sure |
| 19:25.33 | blast007 | yeah :) |
| 19:25.34 | edward-ca2 | OK :) - thought they'd found some defence! Thanks |
| 19:25.43 | CBG | if they dont move, maybe paused or maybe NR |
| 19:25.57 | brlcad | the player list will say for certain which |
| 19:26.27 | brlcad | never heard them referred to as black bubbles.. |
| 19:26.29 | brlcad | i like that :) |
| 19:26.48 | CBG | big bubble to hold a tank ;) |
| 19:27.09 | blast007 | we should be able to pop the bubbles then |
| 19:27.20 | CBG | yup |
| 19:27.27 | blast007 | the pin flag |
| 19:27.31 | edward-ca2 | Well, I'm asking as Ed wanted to know - and he's only six, so got me to ask |
| 19:27.31 | blast007 | lets you unpause people ;) |
| 19:28.40 | DTRemenak | heh |
| 19:28.44 | edward-ca2 | he is better than me at the game,though |
| 19:30.43 | blast007 | hehe |
| 19:31.03 | blast007 | DTRemenak: I never pause though :) |
| 19:31.28 | blast007 | cuz whenever I do, people just sit behind me and wait |
| 19:31.34 | DTRemenak | heh |
| 19:31.58 | Theme97 | blast007: That's when you PM a few people and ask. |
| 19:32.35 | blast007 | "Are you guys sitting behind me?" "No" "No" "Of course not! Come out!" "It's safe, we SWEAR!" |
| 19:33.00 | Theme97 | Well, duh, don't PM the enemies... |
| 19:33.02 | blast007 | hehe |
| 19:33.07 | blast007 | I play rogue ;) |
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| 19:34.33 | Theme97 | Ask the observers, if there are any... |
| 19:35.02 | Theme97 | Or just unpause and jump in the general direction of the nearest raised building, if you manage to remember it! |
| 19:43.01 | DTRemenak | or cheat! |
| 19:44.02 | CBG | like blast007 really needed the encouragement, DTRemenak |
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| 19:51.05 | blast007 | CBG: haha |
| 19:51.44 | ToughShooter | DTRemenak: That will be hard in 2.2 :p |
| 19:52.21 | DTRemenak | ~ToughShooter++ |
| 19:52.40 | ToughShooter | Why? |
| 19:53.24 | ToughShooter | Just test the new height check instead please |
| 19:54.37 | blast007 | ToughShooter: does it take into account physics drivers that thrust a tank upwards? or do physics drivers just turn the check off? |
| 19:54.51 | blast007 | I can't recall what all they currently turn off |
| 19:54.58 | blast007 | I know speed checks for one |
| 19:57.26 | ToughShooter | blast007: For now it's disabled when a physics driver is used in the map |
| 19:57.42 | blast007 | k |
| 19:58.14 | blast007 | they add a whole scale of complexity in regards to checking for valid player positions and movement |
| 19:58.31 | ToughShooter | It should look whether the box it has uses a physics driver and then use it but there's so much to do and such little time |
| 19:59.00 | ToughShooter | For now it also skips the check when one jumps through a teleporter |
| 19:59.07 | blast007 | eventually, the server should tell the client when a physics driver has affected them |
| 19:59.20 | blast007 | then it can more accurately predict what will happen |
| 19:59.37 | ToughShooter | The server has a copy of the map, AFAIK |
| 19:59.52 | blast007 | hmm, yeah |
| 20:00.00 | ToughShooter | so..in the bigger picture the server could check |
| 20:00.04 | blast007 | probably many ways to check |
| 20:00.25 | ToughShooter | and validate all data from playerState |
| 20:00.38 | ToughShooter | That's a long way to go however |
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| 20:26.37 | TheBarron | why doesn't a poll ban ban immediately? |
| 20:26.45 | TheBarron | Let's them like leave and not get banned, then come back |
| 20:27.08 | ruskie | afaik it bans them even if they leave |
| 20:27.19 | ruskie | or it should... |
| 20:27.30 | TheBarron | not working at all atm on hepcat |
| 20:27.48 | Gnurdux | it remembers their IP, actually |
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| 20:31.36 | TheBarron | how do I send a msg in game to a particular player? |
| 20:31.42 | Birdie | point |
| 20:31.53 | Birdie | and move with arrow keys to the player you want |
| 20:32.17 | TheBarron | "point" as in period? |
| 20:33.37 | [dmp] | yes |
| 20:34.06 | TheBarron | doesn't seem to work for me. Automatically puts a username whom I'm typing to.. arrow then just scrolls through things I've previously said |
| 20:34.35 | TheBarron | ooOoooO |
| 20:34.38 | TheBarron | left and right |
| 20:35.31 | TheBarron | oh, doesn't matter now |
| 20:35.36 | TheBarron | freaking little prick admin :) |
| 20:36.04 | TheBarron | I say, to the admin "you gonna take care of the little prick? :)" regarding a tk'er and flag stealer.. and he mutes me. Then leaves. |
| 20:36.39 | orange | perhaps your language was offputting |
| 20:36.43 | orange | it certainly is here |
| 20:36.47 | menotume | :) |
| 20:37.34 | TheBarron | "prick" is offputting? |
| 20:37.40 | TheBarron | What are you guys, Quakers? |
| 20:38.10 | orange | a mix of folks from all backgrounds, is what is here |
| 20:38.29 | orange | best to be as polite as possible until you know your audience |
| 20:38.46 | TheBarron | I said "prick" for $deity's sake |
| 20:38.55 | CBG | [9:26pm] <TheBarron> why doesn't a poll ban ban immediately? |
| 20:38.55 | CBG | I think the guy changed his IP and came back. |
| 20:39.10 | TheBarron | ah, there you are :) |
| 20:39.16 | TheBarron | right |
| 20:39.23 | CBG | Yeah. No need to swear. |
| 20:39.37 | CBG | Consider yourself lucky that I ONLY muted you. |
| 20:39.41 | TheBarron | in what book is prick a swear word? |
| 20:39.54 | CBG | Everyone. Don't be an idiot. |
| 20:40.08 | CBG | You don't want to make me mad, ask orange. |
| 20:41.18 | CBG | It's especially worse that you said it in public, the admin channel is there for a reason. |
| 20:41.18 | JeffM2501 | little man has a chip on his shoulder today it seems |
| 20:41.38 | JeffM2501 | mr potty mouth from yesterday |
| 20:41.52 | CBG | right.. |
| 20:42.46 | Birdie | also some admins are more strict than others |
| 20:43.04 | CBG | I'm not really strict, just power-mad at times. |
| 20:43.17 | CBG | I make a really bad admin, it's funny. |
| 20:43.19 | JeffM2501 | and sometimes a prick ;) |
| 20:43.35 | CBG | Ok, there goes JeffM2501 with his double standards again. |
| 20:43.43 | JeffM2501 | it's not realy a curse word man |
| 20:43.44 | JeffM2501 | like ass |
| 20:43.52 | JeffM2501 | if it can be used on TV I'm cool with it |
| 20:43.56 | CBG | prick means dick. can I say that here? |
| 20:44.04 | JeffM2501 | so does WANG |
| 20:44.07 | JeffM2501 | wang wang wang |
| 20:44.10 | CBG | dick dick dick |
| 20:44.18 | orange | good grief, it must be friday :-) |
| 20:44.21 | spldart | yep |
| 20:44.26 | JeffM2501 | that word is closer, but still not that bad |
| 20:44.32 | spldart | slong |
| 20:44.34 | JeffM2501 | there are many worse things |
| 20:44.36 | CBG | cock? cock cock cock |
| 20:44.38 | JeffM2501 | thalywacker |
| 20:44.42 | spldart | lol |
| 20:44.50 | JeffM2501 | CBG, we all know what you love, no need to repeat it |
| 20:44.53 | spldart | boingoingoing /butthead |
| 20:44.58 | CBG | I'm just glad you're comfortable with children being submitted to all these bad words. |
| 20:45.01 | TheBarron | penis means dick too <GASP> |
| 20:45.01 | spldart | 8-x |
| 20:45.09 | JeffM2501 | there are levels, of cursing, just don't let your power go to your head |
| 20:45.25 | CBG | rofl... |
| 20:45.27 | orange | I stand by my original statement, digressions aside :-) |
| 20:45.37 | JeffM2501 | CBG, like I say, if i'ts ok for TV then tha's my compromise |
| 20:45.55 | spldart | Valor got soiled... however |
| 20:45.56 | JeffM2501 | because this channel is not ALL about the kids, just somewhat sensitive to them |
| 20:45.59 | Birdie | if the tv does "tuut" for the word, than it might be not ok:) |
| 20:46.22 | CBG | prick, dick and cock are not allowed on TV in the UK before the watershed. |
| 20:46.23 | JeffM2501 | but if you want to get strick, let me silence you for yesterday, then silence myself. |
| 20:46.49 | JeffM2501 | I'd draw the line at the last one |
| 20:47.01 | JeffM2501 | second is kinda crass, but not that bad |
| 20:47.07 | CBG | They all mean exactly the same thing, so they're all equally bad imho. |
| 20:47.15 | JeffM2501 | so does "poo poo head" |
| 20:47.18 | JeffM2501 | you want me to ban that too? |
| 20:47.19 | spldart | c'mon |
| 20:47.34 | TheBarron | ban "wee wee" and "willy" |
| 20:47.40 | CBG | yeah, now you're being facetious. |
| 20:47.45 | TheBarron | no, means the same thing |
| 20:47.46 | JeffM2501 | we could never talk about the new nintendo console |
| 20:47.50 | TheBarron | same nonsense you're saying |
| 20:47.54 | CBG | those are KIDDY terms... |
| 20:47.57 | spldart | No! Not will the one-eyed wonder worm |
| 20:48.10 | JeffM2501 | CBG, your morals are not the rest of ours |
| 20:48.14 | TheBarron | CBG: then your definition is too broad |
| 20:48.15 | JeffM2501 | we keep an average of them |
| 20:48.17 | TheBarron | refine it |
| 20:48.19 | JeffM2501 | just deal with it |
| 20:48.34 | JeffM2501 | or are you gonna get angry and blame me for it then? |
| 20:48.42 | spldart | This is a silly subject to be arguing over |
| 20:48.46 | JeffM2501 | very |
| 20:48.55 | CBG | I have no power here, I cannot protect kids from seeing COCK PRICK and DICK here. |
| 20:48.57 | CBG | But I CAN stop it on hepcat, so I did. |
| 20:49.14 | JeffM2501 | did you ask him to stop first? |
| 20:49.16 | Birdie | <PROTECTED> |
| 20:49.16 | JeffM2501 | nicely? |
| 20:49.21 | spldart | heh. just came from there... getting tk'd alot |
| 20:49.39 | bryjen | roosters can be mean. donno about former president nixon... |
| 20:49.50 | JeffM2501 | he was kinda an ass |
| 20:49.57 | CBG | JeffM2501: I would have if he wasn't rude to me and had asked ME nicely... |
| 20:50.18 | JeffM2501 | so, then no, you didn't |
| 20:50.23 | TheBarron | spldart: which is why I was irritated, and referred to the guy as a prick, to the admin. Now, I'm not sure what he meant by 'admin channel' so maybe I should have said it there instead of everyone.. but then, that would have been assuming I knew that 'prick' was a swear word |
| 20:50.29 | JeffM2501 | I'll keep that in mind when dealing with your outbursts then |
| 20:50.34 | JeffM2501 | thanks for the info |
| 20:50.41 | CBG | Sure thing... |
| 20:50.44 | TheBarron | CBG: I did ask nicely... I think there was even a smiley on it! |
| 20:50.44 | CBG | cock. |
| 20:50.46 | Birdie | "you gonna take care of the little prick? :)" -> was it that mean? i recall you for not having a problem to use bad words yourself |
| 20:50.48 | CBG | oops, wrong window. |
| 20:50.57 | spldart | Ah.. didn't know that's why the language was used.. |
| 20:51.01 | CBG | TheBarron: hahahaha |
| 20:51.05 | spldart | I almost felt like swearing for a bit there |
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| 20:51.15 | CBG | Birdie: what does this have to do with me. |
| 20:51.17 | JeffM2501 | watch your language CBG |
| 20:51.24 | JeffM2501 | or be lucky I don't ban you. |
| 20:51.41 | spldart | Got shot in the 'butt' to many times myself |
| 20:51.42 | CBG | Yes ma'am. |
| 20:51.46 | CBG | But fyi, i didn't kick. |
| 20:51.59 | CBG | You also said it was ok to say those words here, but whatever. |
| 20:52.05 | JeffM2501 | as you said, what does this have to do with you? |
| 20:52.06 | CBG | If you wan't to kick me on a whim, go for it. |
| 20:52.18 | CBG | That was aimed at Birdie. |
| 20:52.28 | JeffM2501 | I had to protect the kiddies |
| 20:52.29 | CBG | Hence the "Birdie:" at the start of the lime. :) |
| 20:52.32 | JeffM2501 | since you think it's important |
| 20:52.40 | JeffM2501 | I said I'd take the info under advisement |
| 20:52.41 | JeffM2501 | I have |
| 20:52.43 | CBG | Ok, why did you not kick me earlier? |
| 20:52.46 | CBG | And why not kick yourself? |
| 20:52.50 | CBG | Double standard maybe? |
| 20:52.52 | JeffM2501 | because then I had not taken the info under advisement |
| 20:53.05 | JeffM2501 | I can't go kick everyone who's ever cursed in the past |
| 20:53.10 | JeffM2501 | the channel woudl be empty |
| 20:53.19 | JeffM2501 | just orchid and ibot |
| 20:53.22 | JeffM2501 | singing a song |
| 20:53.28 | orange | get me the president, we're surrendering our position in cuba |
| 20:56.22 | JBdiGriz | Don't try to apply the standards in here to the various servers. The admins are given privilege on the servers by the server owner, and it's up to the server owner to set the standards. |
| 20:56.49 | CBG | JBdiGriz: who is that aimed at? |
| 20:57.22 | JBdiGriz | Everyone who is commenting on the various swear words. |
| 20:57.43 | JBdiGriz | If you're the admin at hepcat, you set those standards. There's no court of appeal in here. |
| 20:58.07 | TheBarron | no jumping on hepcat ;) |
| 20:58.12 | spldart | LOL |
| 20:58.28 | JBdiGriz | If that's what cosmos wants, that's what you get on hepcat. |
| 20:58.55 | CBG | JBdiGriz: I'm pretty sure cosmos wouldn't like me to ignore someone saying "prick" on a full hepcat server. |
| 20:58.57 | CBG | So I enforced that rule whilst also dealing with a more serious trouble maker. |
| 20:58.59 | JBdiGriz | cosmos doesn't come in here and tell JeffM2501 or TimRiker how to run this channel. |
| 20:59.03 | CBG | As well as trying to play, myself. |
| 20:59.34 | brlcad | think of the birds! |
| 20:59.44 | CBG | Right, cosmos also does not go into TheBarron's house and swear at his kids. |
| 20:59.46 | JBdiGriz | That's fine to me, that's what you're supposed to be doing on hepcat. Don't ask JeffM2501 to mediate any disputes. Bring it to cosmos. |
| 20:59.47 | JeffM2501 | noone thinks fo the birds |
| 20:59.54 | JeffM2501 | he didn't ask |
| 20:59.59 | Birdie | brlcad: :) |
| 21:00.06 | brlcad | it's because they're such fowl beasts ;) |
| 21:00.07 | JeffM2501 | I got into, I should have talked to cosmos, so I am droping my part |
| 21:00.09 | TheBarron | he didn't ask, it just launched a big disagreement |
| 21:00.23 | spldart | THE PUNS... the puns.... of doooomm |
| 21:00.26 | brlcad | *badum* *tsk* i'm here all week |
| 21:00.32 | JeffM2501 | try the veal |
| 21:00.40 | spldart | but don't drink the water |
| 21:00.44 | JBdiGriz | There shouldn't be any disagreement. The standards are different between here and hepcat. Get used to it. |
| 21:01.07 | JeffM2501 | my coment was more on his attiude then the reason for the action |
| 21:01.12 | JeffM2501 | yes chill outs for everyone :) |
| 21:01.22 | JeffM2501 | peanut butter jelly time |
| 21:01.25 | blast007 | hehe |
| 21:01.31 | CBG | My "attitude"? |
| 21:01.33 | spldart | Althought some might want to crunch up several and get a straw and... NM |
| 21:01.40 | brlcad | peanut butter jelly with a baseball bat! |
| 21:01.43 | CBG | My "pissed off by someone's double standards" attitude maybe? |
| 21:01.45 | spldart | YaY |
| 21:01.46 | brlcad | don't make me get the bat.. |
| 21:01.47 | JeffM2501 | DTRemenak, your the new guy, you have to wear the suit |
| 21:01.58 | TheBarron | <GASP> you said PISSED! |
| 21:02.04 | CBG | so did you. |
| 21:02.06 | blast007 | TheBarron: ... |
| 21:02.09 | JeffM2501 | CBG, nope not that, but don't worry about it, JBdiGriz is totaly correct |
| 21:02.29 | DTRemenak | suit!?! |
| 21:02.32 | JeffM2501 | I should not have brought it up here |
| 21:02.37 | brlcad | he usually is |
| 21:02.38 | DTRemenak | just as long as there's no tie |
| 21:02.46 | orange | tie goes to the home team |
| 21:03.10 | brlcad | DTRemenak: s&m to "the man", eh? |
| 21:03.25 | brlcad | ties and bondage.. what next |
| 21:03.27 | spldart | And my posse's getting big and my log file's getting bigger |
| 21:03.31 | JeffM2501 | "the man" just got an ipod, and we've been showing him how to use it all day |
| 21:03.43 | DTRemenak | heh, is that what that conversation is about.. .:) |
| 21:04.03 | DTRemenak | heard something about gregorian chants |
| 21:04.26 | brlcad | "my you've been a naughty boy" .. "here's an ipod" |
| 21:04.32 | JeffM2501 | yeah |
| 21:04.38 | JeffM2501 | he filled it with music from my machine |
| 21:04.50 | brlcad | arr |
| 21:04.53 | DTRemenak | heh |
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| 21:07.06 | JeffM2501 | the gregorian chant version of "brothers in arms" is wierd |
| 21:07.15 | DTRemenak | ... |
| 21:07.36 | Mr_Molez | in your opinion... |
| 21:07.45 | Mr_Molez | :P |
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| 21:08.04 | JeffM2501 | it's not bad |
| 21:08.05 | JeffM2501 | just wierd |
| 21:09.27 | JeffM2501 | my macine/media/-audio-/wtf |
| 21:09.38 | JeffM2501 | and now bakc to vectors |
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| 21:24.45 | JeffM2501 | ok, the gregorian chanters doing metalica.. THAT is classic |
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| 21:56.35 | menotume | wow, 2 seconds - don't leave us for so long, occhi blu |
| 21:59.11 | Skeeve | <PROTECTED> |
| 21:59.38 | JeffM2501 | yes |
| 21:59.56 | Skeeve | Is she drunk or does she have a cold? ;-) |
| 22:00.06 | Skeeve | Look at her nose ;-) |
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| 22:01.23 | JeffM2501 | that's the texture that came with her. |
| 22:01.25 | Skeeve | Besides that and the fact that she seems to suffer from strabismus: Really nice ;-) |
| 22:01.44 | JeffM2501 | it was one of the first ones I did |
| 22:03.49 | JeffM2501 | it'll be changing soon |
| 22:04.05 | Skeeve | Change to what? |
| 22:04.11 | Skeeve | May I have a peek? |
| 22:04.16 | JeffM2501 | a more vertial design |
| 22:04.20 | JeffM2501 | I havn't done it yet |
| 22:04.30 | JeffM2501 | and get rid of the denim |
| 22:04.51 | Skeeve | Let me look up "vertial" |
| 22:04.57 | JeffM2501 | vertical |
| 22:04.58 | JeffM2501 | sorry |
| 22:05.00 | JeffM2501 | up and down |
| 22:05.03 | JeffM2501 | not left and right |
| 22:05.04 | Bz_Win | Replacing it with anything? Or just removing it? :p |
| 22:05.05 | Skeeve | LOL |
| 22:05.08 | Skeeve | Ok! |
| 22:05.09 | JeffM2501 | replace |
| 22:05.14 | Skeeve | That one I know |
| 22:05.16 | Bz_Win | darn :p |
| 22:05.25 | JeffM2501 | why you want me to remove it? |
| 22:05.32 | Bz_Win | no reason |
| 22:05.59 | Skeeve | If you want less denim, Bz_Win go to http://www.domai.com/ |
| 22:06.17 | JeffM2501 | Skeeve, NOT cool |
| 22:06.21 | JeffM2501 | no porn links here |
| 22:06.27 | JeffM2501 | don't do it again |
| 22:06.28 | Skeeve | That's no porn |
| 22:06.41 | JeffM2501 | dont' care |
| 22:06.41 | JeffM2501 | no boobies in the fourm |
| 22:06.44 | JeffM2501 | and channel |
| 22:06.48 | Skeeve | Okay |
| 22:06.52 | JeffM2501 | regardless of how nice they are |
| 22:07.36 | Bz_Win | lol |
| 22:09.19 | Skeeve | Okay... Bz_Win... Don't go there. If you want less denim, you can search for it on google.. But that's quite different... http://www.google.de/search?as_q=less+denim&num=10&hl=de&btnG=Google-Suche&as_epq=&as_oq=&as_eq=&lr=lang_en&as_ft=i&as_filetype=&as_qdr=all&as_occt=any&as_dt=i&as_sitesearch=&as_rights=&safe=images |
| 22:09.27 | Skeeve | ;-) |
| 22:09.32 | Skeeve | Sorry Jeff... |
| 22:09.36 | Skeeve | Couldn't resist |
| 22:09.38 | JeffM2501 | now your just being stupid |
| 22:09.52 | Skeeve | Sometimes I am |
| 22:10.07 | Skeeve | If you are my age, you easily act stupid |
| 22:10.19 | JeffM2501 | that dosnt' make it right |
| 22:10.30 | Skeeve | I didn't say it's right |
| 22:10.54 | Skeeve | But I seee |
| 22:10.56 | Skeeve | -e |
| 22:11.04 | Skeeve | No Humour (of my kind) wanted |
| 22:11.11 | JeffM2501 | you are aware that it isn't yet you continue it. that means you could easaly stop it, yet you don't. So then age has nothing todo with it ;) |
| 22:11.19 | brlcad | has nothing to do with "your humor" |
| 22:11.27 | brlcad | it's simply channel policy, given the audience |
| 22:11.57 | JeffM2501 | this isn't the place for it |
| 22:11.59 | brlcad | likewise |
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| 22:12.22 | Skeeve | The google search is harmless |
| 22:12.30 | JeffM2501 | that was just anoying |
| 22:12.33 | brlcad | so is staying on topic |
| 22:12.34 | JeffM2501 | as it added nothing |
| 22:13.02 | Skeeve | okay... Let's start over again with "Good Morning" |
| 22:13.09 | Bz_Win | Good morning |
| 22:14.08 | Skeeve | brlcad: I still don't know what you meant several hours ago. About modding etc. |
| 22:22.56 | Skeeve | hmmm... brlcad only answers when I act stupid :-( |
| 22:23.20 | JeffM2501 | or when he's not working |
| 22:24.03 | Skeeve | However! It's saturday 00:23! Good night... |
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| 22:32.46 | brlcad | or when he's gone |
| 22:34.21 | DTRemenak | brlcad answers when he's gone? I wish I could answer questions when *I* was gone! |
| 22:34.47 | brlcad | :) |
| 22:35.46 | JeffM2501 | cell phone man |
| 22:35.52 | JeffM2501 | sporty does it ALL the time ;) |
| 22:36.23 | DTRemenak | she types almost as fast on that phone than I do on my keyboard :( |
| 22:36.24 | brlcad | heh |
| 22:36.33 | JeffM2501 | poor phone |
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| 22:37.02 | JeffM2501 | so if you have winelib, can you build MFC apps with it? |
| 22:37.16 | JeffM2501 | that phone must ring constantly |
| 22:37.54 | spldart | JeffM.. Can you do me a favor.. TimeWarner RoadRunner just had someone cut their lines and after they fixed it I changed IP.. Can you update spldart.opencombat.net to 70.116.149.121 please |
| 22:39.02 | JeffM2501 | done |
| 22:39.09 | spldart | Thank you very much :) |
| 22:39.13 | JeffM2501 | sure |
| 22:39.58 | spldart | very fast update... I'm already connecting :) |
| 22:40.05 | JeffM2501 | 5min or less |
| 22:40.08 | JeffM2501 | or your money back |
| 22:40.22 | spldart | wow sweet |
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| 22:41.57 | meanotume | test |
| 22:42.06 | brlcad | test failed |
| 22:42.15 | meanotume | thx, dood |
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| 22:43.26 | spldart | lol |
| 22:43.26 | DTRemenak | JeffM2501: I think so |
| 22:43.39 | DTRemenak | you need the libs and headers though |
| 22:43.47 | DTRemenak | so you need a visual studio license regardless |
| 22:44.20 | DTRemenak | and I'm not entirely sure you can compile mfc stuff with mingw |
| 22:45.54 | JeffM2501 | you still build on windows? |
| 22:46.54 | SportChick | JeffM2501: what did I do now? |
| 22:47.45 | JeffM2501 | you type :) |
| 22:49.15 | SportChick | so do you :p |
| 22:49.29 | JeffM2501 | it was just mention of your use of the cellphone + IRC |
| 22:49.50 | SportChick | :D |
| 22:54.44 | DTRemenak | JeffM2501: yeah, I do |
| 22:55.00 | DTRemenak | don't have internet right now tho, remember? :) |
| 22:57.07 | JeffM2501 | no no, for winelib |
| 22:57.29 | JeffM2501 | I thought it was a way to build windows apps on linux |
| 22:57.36 | DTRemenak | it is |
| 22:57.45 | DTRemenak | actually it builds linux apps on linux |
| 22:57.48 | CBG | JeffM2501: when you changed the bug I reported yesterday (message sent when trying to /kill an observer) did you update the files on cvs ? |
| 22:57.50 | DTRemenak | that can use windows api calls |
| 22:58.02 | JeffM2501 | so if I had the source for mfc, on linux it should fillin the win32calls it uses |
| 22:58.07 | DTRemenak | yeah |
| 22:58.09 | JeffM2501 | and then I'd have a linux MFC :) |
| 22:58.12 | DTRemenak | yup |
| 22:58.16 | JeffM2501 | scary |
| 22:58.24 | DTRemenak | course it would depend on all of wine |
| 22:58.30 | DTRemenak | but that's only a couple hundred megs ;) |
| 22:58.37 | JeffM2501 | CBG, the message you saw from CIA was the update to CVS |
| 22:58.55 | CBG | Ah, Ok, that explains why I can't see any problem in the code now. :) |
| 22:59.01 | DTRemenak | heh |
| 22:59.27 | JeffM2501 | I'm just wondering if it's viable to bild a winelib version of mfc apps |
| 22:59.50 | JeffM2501 | like for tools |
| 23:00.11 | DTRemenak | yeah, it is. not usually worth it though, if you're not making any linux calls |
| 23:00.27 | DTRemenak | winelib is only necessary if you're making both linux syscalls and windows api calls from the same program |
| 23:00.38 | DTRemenak | otherwise you can just run your windows app in wine for the same results |
| 23:00.38 | JeffM2501 | just figured that making it native is easyer on the end user then making them run IN wine |
| 23:00.46 | DTRemenak | no, winelib requires wine anyway |
| 23:01.04 | DTRemenak | it's actually a stricter requirement, you need a particular version |
| 23:01.08 | JeffM2501 | ahh |
| 23:01.09 | JeffM2501 | ok |
| 23:01.11 | JeffM2501 | fair nuf |
| 23:01.38 | DTRemenak | technically winelib does not require wine, if you statically link it. but that is hundreds of megs of static libraries :) |
| 23:01.49 | spldart | bytecoder is pretty good right? |
| 23:02.32 | JeffM2501 | wow |
| 23:02.52 | DTRemenak | wow? |
| 23:02.56 | JeffM2501 | size |
| 23:03.01 | DTRemenak | ah |
| 23:03.03 | JeffM2501 | didn't think it was that big |
| 23:03.10 | DTRemenak | basically it's like packing up windows and taking it with you ;) |
| 23:03.25 | DTRemenak | windows ain't small |
| 23:03.25 | JeffM2501 | yeah I guess it is |
| 23:03.28 | brlcad | mm.. wine |
| 23:03.32 | brlcad | i could go for some of that |
| 23:03.40 | brlcad | a red |
| 23:03.55 | DTRemenak | macs are part of the wine family now too |
| 23:04.09 | JeffM2501 | mfc just makes for some nice rapid prototypes |
| 23:04.14 | DTRemenak | and I'm sure you could make it red...we have themeing support ;) |
| 23:04.21 | JeffM2501 | and the .net one scucks a lot less |
| 23:04.28 | DTRemenak | .net stuff won't run easily |
| 23:04.36 | JeffM2501 | it's not using the framework |
| 23:04.39 | JeffM2501 | the MFC 7.1 |
| 23:04.41 | DTRemenak | ah |
| 23:04.54 | DTRemenak | I haven't touched it since 5 |
| 23:05.07 | DTRemenak | and it was bad |
| 23:05.07 | JeffM2501 | mehh, when it's done, somone can write it into a blender plugin :) |
| 23:05.20 | DTRemenak | you could use qt |
| 23:05.24 | DTRemenak | or wx |
| 23:05.33 | DTRemenak | mfc is not the only game in town |
| 23:05.35 | JeffM2501 | too lazy to learn new stuff |
| 23:05.42 | DTRemenak | heh |
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| 23:33.21 | Teppic | DTRemenak: I started a new app in QT the other day, it was so simple I finished in about 5 hours. |
| 23:33.42 | DTRemenak | Teppic: yup |
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| 23:35.57 | fugalh | bzflag recognizes my usb joystick (a logitech precision gamepad) but it doesn't work right. left/right seem to go left+forward and right+backward, but that's all. |
| 23:36.10 | fugalh | is there any sort of calibration? the joystick axes options just say N/A |
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| 23:37.53 | Teppic | Set your joystick in the 'Joystick Device' section, the quit and reload bzflag. |
| 23:41.51 | a_meteorite | CBG-- |
| 23:41.56 | a_meteorite | inchworm-- |
| 23:42.25 | fugalh | same behavior |
| 23:44.26 | fugalh | my other joystick (a real stick one) has similar behavior. but it lets me set x/y axis between 0 and 1. unfortunately my x/y axes on this stick are 1 and 2 |
| 23:44.27 | CBG | a_meteorite: you might want to address the bot... |
| 23:44.46 | a_meteorite | ~CBG-- |
| 23:44.51 | CBG | thanks :) |
| 23:44.51 | a_meteorite | ~inchworm-- |
| 23:48.40 | a_meteorite | ~CBG-- |
| 23:49.00 | CBG | Can't take a little teasing, a_meteorite ? :) |
| 23:49.10 | JeffM2501 | a_meteorite, and dude.. /msg ibot |
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