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| 02:23.56 | A-Delusion | yeah, christopher seems to be making his rounds again. 68.105.... |
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| 04:17.41 | menotume | orchid ! |
| 04:18.02 | orchid | ellomeno |
| 04:18.03 | menotume | me looks at a pic of orchid's foot and scratches it for her |
| 04:18.10 | orchid | :P |
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| 04:31.08 | tokimi | menotume: letcherous old man... |
| 04:35.14 | feld | blast been around lately? |
| 04:49.28 | menotume | tokimi: I prefer "Sexy Senior Citizen" |
| 04:49.41 | A-Delusion | I saw blast007 awhile ago |
| 05:00.17 | pyr0 | 16:55 | blast007> hehehe |
| 05:00.31 | pyr0 | so a while back |
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| 06:21.36 | a_meteorite | JeffM2501: you there? |
| 06:21.53 | JeffM2501 | yes |
| 06:22.10 | a_meteorite | ah, today boxy war crashed twice today. I have two core dumps |
| 06:22.20 | JeffM2501 | umm ok |
| 06:22.24 | a_meteorite | I think someone might be fooling with my server, it's never crashed in a month |
| 06:22.27 | JeffM2501 | what good are those? |
| 06:22.30 | a_meteorite | how do I read a core dump? |
| 06:22.39 | a_meteorite | well, I got logs too. but I just want to know :) |
| 06:22.43 | JeffM2501 | I dono |
| 06:22.45 | a_meteorite | I've yet to look at them |
| 06:22.46 | a_meteorite | ok |
| 06:22.52 | JeffM2501 | do they have backtraces? |
| 06:23.21 | a_meteorite | I'm not sure, all I see is two files "core.19084" and "core.26095" |
| 06:23.29 | JeffM2501 | then it's just memory stuff |
| 06:23.31 | a_meteorite | opening in nano is a lot of garbled text |
| 06:23.37 | a_meteorite | I see some familiar stuff though |
| 06:23.39 | JeffM2501 | it's not good for anything other then that state at that time |
| 06:23.42 | JeffM2501 | build with debug |
| 06:23.47 | JeffM2501 | and let it run in GDB |
| 06:23.51 | a_meteorite | ok |
| 06:23.56 | JeffM2501 | then you can see where it died |
| 06:24.06 | JeffM2501 | there are suposed to be ways to get backtraces with out gdb IIRC as well |
| 06:24.07 | a_meteorite | I just found it VERY unusual |
| 06:24.10 | a_meteorite | nothing has changed, and was stable for a month then crashes twice today |
| 06:24.17 | JeffM2501 | something changed |
| 06:24.20 | JeffM2501 | you just have to find it |
| 06:24.32 | a_meteorite | in this case something == nothing :) |
| 06:24.43 | a_meteorite | heh: t^@^@_ZTS29bz_GetPlayerSpawnPosEventData^@.t^@^@_ZTS23bz_AllowPlayerEventD$ |
| 06:25.01 | JeffM2501 | probably a plugin crashing then |
| 06:25.05 | a_meteorite | eek |
| 06:25.18 | JeffM2501 | probably a plugin not checking for a NULL user record |
| 06:25.31 | a_meteorite | hmmm... someone must of loaded a bad plugin... |
| 06:25.37 | a_meteorite | I'll need to check my logs out, thanks |
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| 06:38.39 | a_meteorite | hmmm... nothing in my logs for a loadplugin |
| 06:38.58 | JeffM2501 | then one of your existing ones has a bug |
| 06:39.03 | JeffM2501 | how many deal with spawns? |
| 06:39.28 | a_meteorite | none actually |
| 06:39.38 | JeffM2501 | what do you load? |
| 06:39.51 | a_meteorite | hold on a sec |
| 06:40.29 | a_meteorite | nagware, logDetail, and flagReset (by l4m3r) |
| 06:41.40 | a_meteorite | I've had these same plugins loaded for over a month straight without crash |
| 06:42.02 | a_meteorite | so it seemed very unusual too crash twice today when I've never had a problem |
| 06:42.04 | JeffM2501 | dosn't mean they don't have bugs |
| 06:42.23 | JeffM2501 | unless somone is now connecting with state data that triggers the bugs |
| 06:42.36 | a_meteorite | well, I do have people that don't like me very much ;) |
| 06:43.04 | JeffM2501 | may mot be on pouiurpose |
| 06:43.10 | a_meteorite | true |
| 06:43.34 | a_meteorite | I'll compile it with --enable-debug from now on and launch inside gdb incase it happens again |
| 06:43.43 | a_meteorite | would be nice to get some useful output |
| 06:44.20 | a_meteorite | does bzfs log first or load a plugin first? (or would that all depend on bzfs' api with logDetail?) |
| 06:44.34 | a_meteorite | cause if someone tried loading a bad plugin, maybe it never got logged? |
| 06:44.48 | a_meteorite | or there's a rare bug in one of my existing plugins |
| 06:45.46 | JeffM2501 | your "log" is just the console output |
| 06:45.48 | JeffM2501 | that's always on |
| 06:46.09 | a_meteorite | yes, I know, but does bzfs print stdout before or after attempting to load a plugin? |
| 06:46.30 | a_meteorite | either that it's one of my existing plugins *sighs* |
| 06:46.30 | JeffM2501 | it prints std out as it gets them |
| 06:46.32 | a_meteorite | ah |
| 06:46.44 | JeffM2501 | it dosnt' even print it, the OS does |
| 06:47.00 | JeffM2501 | it's sent to the OS on every call to the DEBUGn Code |
| 06:47.07 | a_meteorite | oh |
| 06:47.14 | JeffM2501 | so it can dump stuff out, load a plugin.. dump more stuff out |
| 06:47.19 | JeffM2501 | basicly line by line |
| 06:47.34 | a_meteorite | is it affected by --enable-debug? |
| 06:47.38 | JeffM2501 | no |
| 06:47.45 | JeffM2501 | that just builds with symbols gdb can use |
| 06:48.06 | a_meteorite | hmmm... I wonder if I can run it without gdb but still get useful crash info I would need |
| 06:48.16 | JeffM2501 | you'd need a backtrace |
| 06:50.11 | a_meteorite | ok, I'll look into thta |
| 06:50.17 | a_meteorite | thanks for your help so far :D |
| 06:54.17 | a_meteorite | wow, two of these core dumps are 9 megabytes :o |
| 06:54.23 | a_meteorite | (combined) |
| 06:54.30 | JeffM2501 | so |
| 06:54.38 | JeffM2501 | they usualy dump all the ram your using at the time |
| 06:54.44 | a_meteorite | oh, I see |
| 06:54.52 | a_meteorite | I've never dealt with core dumps before |
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| 09:14.36 | Mr_Molez | cosmos: whats wrong with ur server :p |
| 09:17.21 | menotume | nothing, just 40-50% lost packets, no biggie |
| 09:17.30 | menotume | and my lag 400 i/o 100 |
| 09:17.30 | Mr_Molez | hehe |
| 09:17.33 | Mr_Molez | and 800ms lag :) |
| 09:17.40 | Birdie | gee adjust to that |
| 09:17.59 | Mr_Molez | lol i had to wait about 20 seconds for a message i typed to appear |
| 09:18.05 | menotume | we should add a bot to sc, to get people there :) |
| 09:18.11 | menotume | silvercat |
| 09:18.27 | Birdie | yea better say sc = silvercat=) |
| 09:18.48 | Mr_Molez | ewww silvercat is american, all americans asleep now :P get a eu server active |
| 09:19.04 | menotume | yes, all normal Americans asleep now |
| 09:19.09 | menotume | there is one |
| 09:19.19 | Mr_Molez | tehehheheh |
| 09:19.23 | Birdie | if the baronmum would hear that your still up! |
| 09:19.47 | Birdie | she will propably ping you when you just get in bed |
| 09:19.55 | Mr_Molez | hehe |
| 09:20.16 | menotume | like i'd hear it |
| 09:21.56 | Birdie | you should install a doorbell on your pc, every time some one pings you it rings |
| 09:22.03 | Birdie | you would have a busy day:) |
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| 13:15.20 | TheRedBaron | hrm... |
| 13:16.22 | TheRedBaron | any desperate bzbb admins? :D |
| 13:16.25 | TheRedBaron | http://my.bzflag.org/bb/viewtopic.php?t=8700&highlight= |
| 13:16.29 | TheRedBaron | its your lucky day :) |
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| 13:33.59 | Mr_Molez | where do these people keep finding the bzflag forum jeez |
| 13:52.04 | Birdie | she sounds desperated |
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| 14:14.16 | Manu | http://my.bzflag.org/bb/viewtopic.php?t=8700 |
| 14:16.14 | SportChick | lol |
| 14:16.17 | SportChick | nice |
| 14:16.25 | Manu | heh |
| 14:16.53 | SportChick | at least "she" was smart enough to come to a male-dominated online tank game to look for companionship :D |
| 14:16.54 | Manu | well it isn't for you SportChick ;) |
| 14:17.03 | SportChick | Manu: you noticed? hehe |
| 14:17.16 | tokimi | hmm |
| 14:17.24 | tokimi | not my type;) |
| 14:18.32 | Manu | tokimi: and how do you know it? :) |
| 14:18.56 | Birdie | i would consider checking that posts ip and tokimi"s ip:) |
| 14:18.56 | TheRedBaron | manu: she's not a redhead, thats why ;) |
| 14:19.18 | Manu | TheRedBaron: lol |
| 14:19.31 | tokimi | TheRedBaron: righto |
| 14:21.35 | SportChick | if there are any mac users here, got a got on ##essy with a question |
| 14:24.12 | Birdie | got a got? |
| 14:24.13 | Birdie | lol |
| 14:26.40 | SportChick | even ~I~ typo things :p |
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| 15:08.06 | Mr_Molez | i got a got too ! :) |
| 15:08.42 | SportChick | :p |
| 15:09.06 | Mr_Molez | but i got more of a got than you, so ner ! :P |
| 15:19.04 | SportChick | ~sue Mr_Molez |
| 15:19.05 | ibot | ACTION acting on orders from an unspecified client, drags Mr_Molez into court suing for $200 million |
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| 15:40.09 | uso | is adding a ban supposed to flush the masterban list? |
| 15:40.57 | uso | could someone please try to reproduce this: checking banlist with /banlist, adding a ban with /ban and check the banlist again? |
| 15:42.25 | uso | *someone using masterbanlist |
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| 16:34.24 | cosmos | DoS possibility, this better not be beaverhausen |
| 16:36.04 | CBG | uso: what happens? |
| 16:38.17 | CBG | I did /banlist, added a ban, redid /banlist and still see all the old bans (masterbans) and the new test one. |
| 16:39.11 | uso | CBG: 2.0.8? |
| 16:39.28 | CBG | Yep. |
| 16:39.35 | CBG | Well, actually, I'll check. |
| 16:39.36 | uso | strange |
| 16:40.03 | CBG | yes, 2.0.8 |
| 16:40.08 | uso | for me the masterban entries disappear after using the ban command |
| 16:40.20 | CBG | o.O |
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| 16:50.54 | uso | same happens if i reload bans |
| 16:51.16 | JeffM2501 | masterban == worst feature I ever did |
| 16:54.38 | uso | the feature isn't bad, maybe the implementation :) |
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| 16:59.05 | JeffM2501 | oh the implementaiton is as good as it can be for the current ban system |
| 16:59.13 | JeffM2501 | it's the feature that is flawed |
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| 16:59.23 | JeffM2501 | what people want is a global cop system |
| 16:59.26 | JeffM2501 | not a simple ban list |
| 16:59.48 | JeffM2501 | a shared ban list may be part of a global cop system, but that is not the only part of it |
| 17:00.59 | JeffM2501 | it realy shoudl be implemented as part of the authentication system |
| 17:00.59 | JeffM2501 | cus if you want us to do your bans, then we should do the whole hog. |
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| 18:31.33 | TheRedBaron | ~sane JeffM2501 |
| 18:31.34 | ibot | JeffM2501 is 70% sane! |
| 18:31.39 | TheRedBaron | woah |
| 18:45.35 | blast007_web | ~literal cmd: sane (.*?) |
| 18:45.37 | ibot | "cmd: sane (.*?)" is "($1): <reply> $1 is (1|2|3|4|5|6|7|8|9)(0|1|2|3|4|5|6|7|8|9)% sane!" |
| 18:45.44 | blast007_web | :) |
| 18:51.07 | uso | the ban command reloads the ban list before it makes the new entry, AccessControlList::load clears the (complete?) banlist before it reloads the list from banfile |
| 18:51.48 | uso | but i don't see where the clean either protects the masterban entries or the load regets them |
| 18:54.41 | uso | CBG: do you have valid entries in your local banfile? |
| 18:55.39 | CBG | No, only the test ban I entered. |
| 18:55.48 | CBG | Other than that I just have the masterbans. |
| 18:56.10 | uso | thats probably the reason your masterban do not disappear |
| 18:56.19 | CBG | could be... |
| 18:56.21 | uso | +s |
| 18:56.27 | CBG | I can try more extensive testing ;) |
| 18:57.51 | CBG | ok, so I added 3 test bans to my banlist ontop of masterbans |
| 18:58.17 | uso | try to reload the local banlist with /reload bans |
| 18:58.54 | CBG | stll got my bans AND masterbans |
| 18:59.11 | uso | hmm |
| 19:00.35 | uso | can you try to manually add a ban to your local banfile (with an editor), reload the bans and check if your new entry is added and the masterbans are still there? |
| 19:01.20 | CBG | That's a pain, uso, the server is not local and I'm busy atm. |
| 19:01.31 | uso | ok, np :) |
| 19:01.36 | uso | thanks anyway |
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| 20:09.26 | raf256 | bzflag sucks |
| 20:09.48 | raf256 | the bzflag linux version is so more error prone then IE |
| 20:09.49 | TheRedBaron | and what brings you to this euphoria? |
| 20:09.51 | a_meteorite | raf256: thank you for your constructive criticism |
| 20:10.01 | raf256 | 1. sound is totally screwed up |
| 20:10.06 | TheRedBaron | and pressing need to come here? |
| 20:10.08 | a_meteorite | get a better sound system |
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| 20:10.13 | raf256 | 2. game crashes when connecting with password (libcurl issue?) |
| 20:10.19 | raf256 | a_meteorite: all other programs work fine |
| 20:10.28 | a_meteorite | downdate libcurl, it's a curl problem. not bzflag's |
| 20:10.48 | TheRedBaron | hehe |
| 20:10.52 | raf256 | and the sound? |
| 20:10.57 | a_meteorite | raf256: I've never experienced sound on Linux as I'm speakerless, but it does matter what has control of sound |
| 20:11.02 | raf256 | I checked both debian-stable and debian-testing versions of bzflag |
| 20:11.13 | a_meteorite | are you using alsa or sdl sound? |
| 20:11.18 | a_meteorite | or another variant? |
| 20:11.22 | a_meteorite | cause those really do matter :P |
| 20:11.23 | raf256 | on two totally different boxes (laptop with ac97 from Intel, and box with ac97 from NVidia) |
| 20:11.28 | raf256 | both have identical issue |
| 20:11.37 | raf256 | a_meteorite: well, how do I select it? |
| 20:11.38 | a_meteorite | because linux has different sound set-ups |
| 20:11.44 | a_meteorite | options->sound |
| 20:11.48 | raf256 | and...? |
| 20:11.48 | a_meteorite | it's also got to be installed |
| 20:12.07 | raf256 | well, it seems like some quite stupid wrote that part |
| 20:12.13 | a_meteorite | I don't know anything about sound in Linux except that there are problems |
| 20:12.21 | raf256 | Sound system: [.......] |
| 20:12.21 | JeffM2501 | raf256, your on a debian based linux distro? |
| 20:12.23 | raf256 | what in the hell I am supposed to entere there O_o |
| 20:12.26 | a_meteorite | it's the way Linux does sound, that's all I know |
| 20:12.28 | raf256 | JeffM2501: yes, debian |
| 20:12.42 | raf256 | a_meteorite: all other apps use Alsa and are fine |
| 20:12.44 | JeffM2501 | the curl issue is a bug with curl, if you downdate, it will be fixed |
| 20:12.56 | raf256 | downdate/ |
| 20:12.58 | JeffM2501 | raf256, check your sdl package, make sure it's the alsa SDL package |
| 20:13.08 | JeffM2501 | yeah sadly they don't have a fix in debian stable yet |
| 20:13.13 | raf256 | JeffM2501: I see just one option "bzflag" |
| 20:13.15 | JeffM2501 | we reported the bug to curl and they did fix it |
| 20:13.21 | JeffM2501 | raf256, no not bzflag, your SDL |
| 20:13.24 | raf256 | ah |
| 20:13.28 | JeffM2501 | the problem is not with bzflag, but with SDL |
| 20:13.32 | JeffM2501 | we just pass all sound to SDL |
| 20:13.40 | JeffM2501 | there is an ESD and an ALSA sd |
| 20:13.42 | JeffM2501 | sdl |
| 20:13.54 | JeffM2501 | acutaly it's the debian package makers |
| 20:14.02 | JeffM2501 | they default the wrong sdl build sometimes |
| 20:14.08 | JeffM2501 | why use debian if you don't like it? |
| 20:14.21 | raf256 | well it works quite fine |
| 20:14.24 | raf256 | what ould I use instead |
| 20:14.31 | raf256 | debian > fedora/red hat |
| 20:14.48 | raf256 | I do use sdl-alsa |
| 20:14.53 | raf256 | yet, the sound is fucked up |
| 20:15.16 | JeffM2501 | please watch your language |
| 20:16.04 | JeffM2501 | well then if sdl is set to use alsa, and we don't show a sound card at startup thats cus SDL told us you didn't have one |
| 20:16.09 | JeffM2501 | it's possible it may be blocked |
| 20:16.26 | raf256 | well the sound works |
| 20:16.29 | raf256 | but it is broken |
| 20:16.36 | raf256 | sometimes, other times it works fine |
| 20:16.38 | JeffM2501 | I need you to define "broken" |
| 20:16.38 | raf256 | randomly |
| 20:16.43 | raf256 | hmm |
| 20:16.54 | JeffM2501 | sounds like something else is using the sound system |
| 20:17.02 | JeffM2501 | do you have a sound system on your window manager? |
| 20:17.05 | raf256 | instead "buuum" it is like "bz bz bz bz bz bz bz" |
| 20:17.14 | raf256 | all other ALSA applications are really working fine |
| 20:17.20 | JeffM2501 | don't know |
| 20:17.27 | JeffM2501 | like I say it's all done by SDL |
| 20:17.30 | raf256 | it is on two totally differen boxes O_o |
| 20:17.44 | raf256 | why not write it also in OpenAL? |
| 20:17.44 | JeffM2501 | then it's probalby something common to both of them |
| 20:17.55 | raf256 | debian is the only common thing |
| 20:18.01 | JeffM2501 | openAL has been discussed, but noone has steped up write the code for it |
| 20:18.12 | JeffM2501 | we'd swap in a heartbeat if somone were to write it. |
| 20:18.13 | raf256 | otherwise they are totally differen (intell celeron laptop -vs- amd 64 bit) |
| 20:18.22 | raf256 | hmm |
| 20:18.27 | raf256 | what if I would? |
| 20:18.41 | JeffM2501 | then submit it as a patch and we'd look at incorporating it |
| 20:18.43 | raf256 | I do have the source code actually of bzflag |
| 20:18.52 | raf256 | and what do I get in return btw? :P |
| 20:18.58 | JeffM2501 | huh? |
| 20:19.01 | JeffM2501 | it's an open source project |
| 20:19.07 | raf256 | yeah, so? |
| 20:19.11 | raf256 | like... "a hug" |
| 20:19.12 | raf256 | or.. |
| 20:19.20 | raf256 | "every time you donate to OS, Stallman spawns a horny goat" |
| 20:19.24 | raf256 | or something |
| 20:19.32 | JeffM2501 | umm again please watch your language |
| 20:19.35 | raf256 | or god kills a kitten |
| 20:19.45 | JeffM2501 | it's open source for the sake of betterment of the project |
| 20:19.56 | JeffM2501 | if you want to do it to make the game better, then fine |
| 20:20.05 | JeffM2501 | if you expect some compensation, then we don't work that way |
| 20:20.28 | raf256 | btw, what is up with the pollitical correcness? |
| 20:20.32 | raf256 | *correctness |
| 20:20.37 | JeffM2501 | it's the way we work |
| 20:20.43 | JeffM2501 | there are a number of kids here |
| 20:20.44 | raf256 | there are no such problems in other games nor other freenod channels O_o |
| 20:20.48 | raf256 | and? |
| 20:20.54 | JeffM2501 | then that is there perogitive, as this is ours |
| 20:21.38 | raf256 | well it always amused me like some strange people are hidding things like OMG boobies or sex or drugs from kids |
| 20:21.43 | raf256 | (the informations about them) |
| 20:21.55 | raf256 | *about the fact that they exist (not info where to buy) ;) |
| 20:21.59 | JeffM2501 | none of that has anything to do with the project, so we don't want it here |
| 20:21.59 | TheRedBaron | do you really believe kids are so niave about that? |
| 20:22.07 | JeffM2501 | what you do in your private life is your life |
| 20:22.16 | JeffM2501 | just don't do it here |
| 20:22.16 | raf256 | TheRedBaron: I think not, therefore I am amused by that "omg lets not say B###BIES!" |
| 20:22.29 | JeffM2501 | but that is not the point of you being here is it? |
| 20:22.43 | JeffM2501 | if you wish to help and write up an OpenAL sound system then please be my guest |
| 20:22.53 | raf256 | 12 yo kids are pregnant, 15 yo take drugs, and we are all "omg, he said A**, lets ban him!" |
| 20:23.02 | JeffM2501 | raf256, are you done? |
| 20:23.02 | raf256 | ok |
| 20:23.12 | raf256 | for now, yeah |
| 20:23.50 | TheRedBaron | there's none of that paranoria here |
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| 20:24.17 | JeffM2501 | bzflag is actualy a rather old game/codebase |
| 20:24.19 | TheRedBaron | raf256: everywhere else you go, you run into that, whats wrong with getting a lil peace and quiet from that crap here? |
| 20:24.21 | JeffM2501 | it dosn't use many of the newer libs |
| 20:24.41 | CBG | raf256: so all 15 years olds take drugs? get a life. |
| 20:24.43 | JeffM2501 | TheRedBaron, if your gonna preach to him then do it in private, lets keep this topical |
| 20:24.48 | JeffM2501 | all of you |
| 20:25.14 | JeffM2501 | why do you all always insist on feeding the trolls? |
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| 20:25.37 | TheRedBaron | :) |
| 20:25.45 | TheRedBaron | I was simply asking a few questions |
| 20:25.48 | TheRedBaron | not trying to convert him |
| 20:25.56 | CBG | I was simply setting him straight. |
| 20:26.03 | JeffM2501 | then do it in private |
| 20:26.04 | TheRedBaron | thats converting :) |
| 20:26.04 | JeffM2501 | both of you |
| 20:26.38 | SC-phone | hey jeff |
| 20:26.45 | JeffM2501 | hi |
| 20:27.27 | SC-phone | jeff do u have any suggestions on a good/easy way to clone a drive? (I think clone is the right word) |
| 20:27.57 | Mr_Molez | ghost it !! |
| 20:27.57 | SC-phone | I'm getting a new HD & want to transfer everything over exactly |
| 20:27.58 | TheRedBaron | norton ghost |
| 20:28.05 | JeffM2501 | if you mean copy, yeah the software that came with the new drive should be able to ghost it |
| 20:28.17 | JeffM2501 | it's a common feature |
| 20:28.48 | SC-phone | well |
| 20:29.08 | SC-phone | we have to take the old one out to put the new one in...lappy |
| 20:29.13 | JeffM2501 | oh lappy |
| 20:29.26 | JeffM2501 | back it up to CD and restore |
| 20:29.36 | JeffM2501 | you can't clone a drive unless you have both in a machine at the same time |
| 20:29.40 | JeffM2501 | so it can copy |
| 20:29.47 | SC-phone | I can't - CD drive is broken |
| 20:29.58 | CBG | external HD. |
| 20:30.14 | CBG | clone to an external, swap drives, clone back to new internal. |
| 20:30.26 | JeffM2501 | if she has an external |
| 20:30.30 | SC-phone | can I clone it to mozul's comeputer & then restore? |
| 20:30.32 | JeffM2501 | do you have any other form of external |
| 20:30.39 | JeffM2501 | not realy "clone" |
| 20:30.44 | JeffM2501 | you can copy the files to his machine sure |
| 20:30.44 | SC-phone | only mozul's |
| 20:30.51 | JeffM2501 | but that won't keep the OS or anything |
| 20:30.59 | SC-phone | :( |
| 20:31.02 | JeffM2501 | and if your CD is busted that kinda limits your options |
| 20:31.05 | Mr_Molez | JeffM2501: i have a ghost on a cd maybe she can do that |
| 20:31.13 | CBG | External HDs are pretty cheap these days, and most people have one. Maybe you can borrow a friend's or relative's? |
| 20:31.14 | JeffM2501 | Mr_Molez, her cd drive is bsted |
| 20:31.15 | Mr_Molez | or a dvd |
| 20:31.17 | Mr_Molez | oh lol |
| 20:31.20 | JeffM2501 | read all the words :) |
| 20:31.41 | SC-phone | can u ghost to another computer? |
| 20:31.43 | JeffM2501 | SC-phone, what I would do if I was you would be to get 2 laptop to regular drive adapters |
| 20:31.45 | JeffM2501 | SC-phone, no |
| 20:31.48 | JeffM2501 | no you can't |
| 20:31.56 | SC-phone | ok |
| 20:31.58 | JeffM2501 | then put the 2 drives in a working machine |
| 20:32.01 | JeffM2501 | copy one to the other |
| 20:32.12 | JeffM2501 | then put the new drive back in your laptop |
| 20:32.28 | JeffM2501 | SC-phone, basicly you can't ghost or "clone" a drive when its' OS is running |
| 20:32.30 | SC-phone | & that will boot right up? |
| 20:32.33 | JeffM2501 | cus it has to copy files that are in use |
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| 20:32.39 | SC-phone | ok |
| 20:32.47 | JeffM2501 | if you do a full drive copy using the right software yes |
| 20:33.00 | JeffM2501 | like norton ghost, or the software that comes with the new drive |
| 20:33.02 | SC-phone | are those adapters easy to find? |
| 20:33.10 | SC-phone | ok |
| 20:33.15 | JeffM2501 | fry's should have them, and they should be cheap ( 20$) |
| 20:33.25 | SC-phone | okies ty |
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| 20:36.35 | SC-phone | mozul says he has ghost already |
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| 20:37.12 | JeffM2501 | ok, then you just need to get both drives into a machine that can run ghost |
| 20:37.37 | SC-phone | ok |
| 20:37.41 | JeffM2501 | and you realy should get your cdrom fixed :) |
| 20:37.50 | SC-phone | I know |
| 20:38.07 | SC-phone | it sort of works if I reseat it about 10 times |
| 20:38.09 | JeffM2501 | it's underwaranty right? |
| 20:38.18 | SC-phone | debatable |
| 20:38.20 | JeffM2501 | I warned you about alienwares didn't i :) |
| 20:38.30 | SC-phone | but their tech service sucks |
| 20:38.40 | SC-phone | u call costa rica |
| 20:38.49 | JeffM2501 | welcome tot he 21st centry |
| 20:38.55 | SC-phone | :p |
| 20:39.00 | JeffM2501 | if you have any more questions on it just PM me, I'll be here all day |
| 20:39.07 | SC-phone | ok |
| 20:39.20 | SC-phone | the new drive is en route |
| 20:39.35 | SC-phone | I'm getting more memory too :) |
| 20:40.06 | JeffM2501 | fun |
| 20:40.13 | SC-phone | yep |
| 20:40.35 | SC-phone | but I'll let mozul know he can pm u if he has questions |
| 20:40.40 | JeffM2501 | k |
| 20:40.48 | SC-phone | thanks for indulging me here everyone |
| 21:10.03 | tokimi | are there any special diferences between gdb and idb? |
| 21:16.18 | JeffM2501 | what is idb? |
| 21:16.23 | JeffM2501 | intels debuger? |
| 21:16.26 | tokimi | ai |
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| 21:20.08 | dngor | ia ia |
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| 22:39.04 | raf256 | yeah that sound is totally broken |
| 22:39.12 | raf256 | at least on my debian, using sdl-alsa |
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| 22:50.12 | TheBarron | ok.. a complaint |
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| 22:50.36 | TheBarron | why does it say "CTF disabled for strong team" instead of just telling you what team(s) it's disabled for? |
| 22:51.56 | a_meteorite | TheBarron: that sounds like the fairCTF plugin |
| 22:52.10 | a_meteorite | ask l4m3r about it :) |
| 22:52.13 | TheBarron | ah.. so I should complain to whoever wrote that, eh? |
| 22:52.31 | a_meteorite | probably ;) |
| 22:55.00 | Chestal | hmm, I guess my bzflag uses oss, if I understand the debian SDL packages. (have libsdl1.2debian, libsdl1.2debian-oss, but not libsdl1.2debian-alsa) |
| 23:03.02 | JeffM2501 | debian has 2 sdl packages, an alsa one and an OSS one |
| 23:03.31 | JeffM2501 | tho I think it gets the sample rate wrong a couple times |
| 23:03.43 | Chestal | for some reason, OSS has always worked better for me, even as alsa OSS emulation. An dnot only in bzflag |
| 23:04.11 | JeffM2501 | probably depends on the quality of the alsa support for your card |
| 23:06.32 | Chestal | heh, I just noticed than even my music player uses oss (emulation) |
| 23:06.41 | Chestal | well, as long as it works like a charm... |
| 23:07.14 | uso | for me too, alsa has more features, but a lot of flaws, oss works better and more stable |
| 23:07.42 | trepan | age before beauty |
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| 23:10.27 | uso | more uglyness in the case of alsa ;) |
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| 23:12.45 | silverfox | Is there a howto anywhere on compiling for win32? |
| 23:12.58 | JeffM2501 | the readme has info |
| 23:13.03 | JeffM2501 | depends on what compiler your using |
| 23:13.20 | silverfox | JeffM2501, I don't have a compiler. I seem to remember there is a free one available? |
| 23:13.26 | JeffM2501 | there are 3 |
| 23:13.35 | JeffM2501 | nether of them are simple to set up |
| 23:14.01 | silverfox | I'd like to take a crack at it. Which do you recommend? |
| 23:14.08 | JeffM2501 | visual C++ |
| 23:14.23 | JeffM2501 | it's what I use |
| 23:14.34 | silverfox | And is there any changes I must make to compile with the free compiler? |
| 23:14.41 | JeffM2501 | no |
| 23:14.56 | JeffM2501 | just geting all the libs and headers needed is "fun" |
| 23:15.09 | silverfox | this one? http://msdn.microsoft.com/vstudio/express/visualC/default.aspx |
| 23:15.14 | JeffM2501 | yeah |
| 23:15.17 | JeffM2501 | but you need more then that |
| 23:15.27 | JeffM2501 | you need also the windows SDK, and the direct X SDK |
| 23:15.31 | JeffM2501 | and libcurl |
| 23:15.34 | JeffM2501 | and pdcurses |
| 23:16.07 | JeffM2501 | the readme should have some info on where to get the vaious libs and SDK |
| 23:16.13 | silverfox | k |
| 23:16.26 | JeffM2501 | you'll probably have to manualy move the sdk files after they install into the VC EE dirs |
| 23:16.44 | JeffM2501 | as VCEE dosn't let you add more dirs to it's include system |
| 23:16.48 | JeffM2501 | that's the fun part |
| 23:17.39 | JeffM2501 | but after that just use the VC8 projects in the source and you'll be building the same way we build the release binarys |
| 23:17.48 | JeffM2501 | what do you need to build for? |
| 23:18.25 | JeffM2501 | ahh yeah the so called "cheat checkers" |
| 23:18.33 | JeffM2501 | or "lag checkers" as I like to call them |
| 23:18.49 | silverfox | lag or jitter? |
| 23:18.57 | JeffM2501 | jitter is lag |
| 23:19.00 | JeffM2501 | or change in lag |
| 23:19.12 | silverfox | It seems that out of order packets would cause erroneous speed behavior. |
| 23:19.15 | JBdiGriz | jitter is a transient condition, lag may not be. |
| 23:19.17 | JeffM2501 | the client dosn't know the diff betwen lag and real cheating |
| 23:19.20 | JeffM2501 | yeah they do |
| 23:19.27 | JeffM2501 | there is always some lag |
| 23:19.50 | JeffM2501 | and yes out of order is a problem too |
| 23:19.57 | JeffM2501 | hence why I don't put any failth in those clients |
| 23:20.15 | silverfox | I'm interested in comparing one tank to another. Look at trends. |
| 23:20.18 | silverfox | More for fun than anything. |
| 23:20.26 | JeffM2501 | whatever floats your boat |
| 23:20.36 | JBdiGriz | The clients don't verify intent, but they do give an idea of what is happening. Black box testing is useful. |
| 23:20.48 | JeffM2501 | it can be helpfull to see trends |
| 23:21.01 | JeffM2501 | and be one component of a cheat/lag descision |
| 23:21.21 | JeffM2501 | but some seem to think they are magical detectors that instantly show somone is cheating |
| 23:21.26 | JeffM2501 | when they are not |
| 23:21.29 | JBdiGriz | I kicked a player whose lag always increased when he picked up the enemy team flag. |
| 23:21.53 | JBdiGriz | I couldn't verify intent, but it stopped happening shortly thereafter. |
| 23:22.02 | JeffM2501 | maybe the additional faces of the flag on his tank slowed down his frame rate :) |
| 23:22.22 | silverfox | heh |
| 23:22.30 | JeffM2501 | stranger things have happend |
| 23:22.30 | JBdiGriz | That could be, but going from 80ms to 300ms seemed like quite a delta to me. ;) |
| 23:22.39 | JeffM2501 | that is a bit of a big one |
| 23:22.52 | JeffM2501 | I've seen people be called of cheating cus there lag increased when they had GM |
| 23:23.12 | JeffM2501 | and it realy was dude to the video driver geeking on the GM trails |
| 23:23.13 | JBdiGriz | How much did it increase by, and was it fairly constant? |
| 23:23.33 | JeffM2501 | yeah it was, and it was a big jump, like 150ms increase |
| 23:23.46 | JeffM2501 | the frame rate would bog down to the 10's when it drew the blended GM trails |
| 23:24.12 | JBdiGriz | He probably should have changed his display options. It would have helped his gameplay as well. |
| 23:24.24 | JeffM2501 | she did, and it helped ;) |
| 23:24.33 | JeffM2501 | I also added an option to remove the trails |
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| 23:25.08 | JeffM2501 | it is one good sample of how lag can look like cheating |
| 23:25.08 | JBdiGriz | It's useful to check for cheats, but it's not the first thing to suspect when there is aberrant behavior. |
| 23:25.14 | JeffM2501 | yeah |
| 23:25.29 | JeffM2501 | sadly many admins are not as wise as you JBdiGriz :) |
| 23:25.45 | JBdiGriz | There was a guy yesterday who couldn't be hit. People were accusing him of cheating. I kicked him for 930ms jitter. |
| 23:25.52 | JeffM2501 | OUCH |
| 23:26.06 | JeffM2501 | that's like calling from the moon |
| 23:26.08 | JBdiGriz | I'm not wise, I just harass other admins to help me check when there is suspicious behavior. |
| 23:26.27 | JeffM2501 | I've seen satalite players be accused of cheating too |
| 23:26.33 | JeffM2501 | 1500ms lag and stuff |
| 23:26.50 | JBdiGriz | wireless players are sometimes rather noticable as well. |
| 23:27.00 | JeffM2501 | yeah, they seem to have high packetloss |
| 23:27.03 | TheBarron | I connect from my cell phone sometimes |
| 23:27.05 | TheBarron | people LOVE that |
| 23:27.07 | silverfox | yeah, we kick for lag, not cheating. ;) |
| 23:27.11 | JeffM2501 | UDP is not there friend |
| 23:27.38 | SC-phone | I see a lot of jitter in a lot of wireless players |
| 23:28.14 | JeffM2501 | yeah with high packet loss it can seem like your lag goes up and down a lot |
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| 23:29.34 | JeffM2501 | looks like 2.1 has an order field now |
| 23:29.42 | JeffM2501 | so that should help a bit |
| 23:29.51 | silverfox | 2.1? |
| 23:29.58 | JeffM2501 | cvs head |
| 23:29.58 | silverfox | 2.11? |
| 23:30.00 | silverfox | azh |
| 23:30.01 | JeffM2501 | current dev version |
| 23:30.04 | JeffM2501 | 2.1 |
| 23:30.12 | JeffM2501 | current release is 2.0.8 |
| 23:30.12 | silverfox | breaking proto eh? |
| 23:30.16 | JeffM2501 | long ago |
| 23:30.23 | JeffM2501 | and yeah, 2.0.x is done with |
| 23:30.41 | JBdiGriz | Supposedly someone is moving state from the client to the server as well. |
| 23:31.06 | JeffM2501 | we just havent meet that somone yet :) |
| 23:31.12 | silverfox | lol |
| 23:31.24 | JBdiGriz | I'm sure we have met them, but they don't know it yet. :D |
| 23:31.31 | JeffM2501 | true |
| 23:31.34 | trepan | JeffM2501: 2.0 has PlayerState::order, it's old |
| 23:31.42 | JeffM2501 | it used? |
| 23:32.09 | JeffM2501 | yes it is |
| 23:32.19 | JeffM2501 | so why would out of order screw up 2.0 |
| 23:32.27 | JeffM2501 | well other then seeming just like packetloss |
| 23:34.13 | silverfox | I need the C++ binding of libcurl? |
| 23:34.22 | JeffM2501 | yes |
| 23:34.26 | JeffM2501 | the MSVC one |
| 23:34.35 | JeffM2501 | it'll have a lib, header, and DLL |
| 23:34.42 | silverfox | this one just says c++ |
| 23:34.46 | silverfox | doesn't mention ms |
| 23:34.50 | JeffM2501 | where are you looking? |
| 23:35.01 | silverfox | nvmd. it does. |
| 23:35.07 | silverfox | http://rrette.com/curlpp.html |
| 23:35.07 | JeffM2501 | it's a big list ;) |
| 23:35.12 | silverfox | it is. |
| 23:35.28 | JeffM2501 | I don't usualy get it from there |
| 23:35.30 | JBdiGriz | Generations will hail and remember your name if you document all of this and put it into the forums/wiki. |
| 23:35.32 | JeffM2501 | I get it from |
| 23:35.32 | JeffM2501 | http://curl.haxx.se/download.html |
| 23:35.33 | blast007 | http://curl.haxx.se/download.html is where I go |
| 23:35.34 | blast007 | heh |
| 23:35.40 | JeffM2501 | curlpp is not libcurl |
| 23:35.40 | silverfox | which links to the url I mentioned. |
| 23:35.43 | JeffM2501 | but a curl variant |
| 23:36.04 | silverfox | as a "binding" |
| 23:36.07 | JeffM2501 | yeah |
| 23:36.10 | JeffM2501 | tha'ts not what you want |
| 23:36.17 | JeffM2501 | that's a C++ wraper for libcurl |
| 23:36.20 | JeffM2501 | we use the normal one |
| 23:36.27 | JeffM2501 | just hit the haxx.se download page |
| 23:36.36 | JeffM2501 | the very last one is a non SSL version of libcurl |
| 23:36.44 | JeffM2501 | the "devel" one |
| 23:37.33 | JeffM2501 | generaly "bindings" refer to making a link for a lib from it's origonal language to a new one |
| 23:37.45 | JeffM2501 | "C++ bindings" is kinda a wiered term |
| 23:37.53 | JeffM2501 | since C++ can use C libs just fine |
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