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00:56.06GnurduxJeffM2501, you oughtta update the MoTD
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00:57.05JeffM2501I did
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00:57.21Gnurduxwhen/
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00:57.34JeffM2501it just didn't delte the old one
00:57.37Gnurduxit still says "fourm" tho JeffM2501
00:59.05JeffM2501I know
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02:27.41spldartnighty night
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03:16.13Blue89what does -view interlaced do?
03:19.24JeffM2501it is used for HMDs that do 3d interlace
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03:31.54Blue89is there a mode similar to -view stacked that will display the images side-by-side rather then above and below?
03:34.31Mr_Molezstereo prolly.
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04:24.29Mr_Molezheh hacked knew it :P
04:25.43blast007me too, with a baseball bat
04:25.53blast007did I say that out loud?  :)
04:25.56A_Meteoriteblast007: heh
04:26.03A_Meteoriteno you're only drunk
04:26.08blast007oh good
04:26.28Mr_Molezim impressed :D
04:26.48A_MeteoriteMr_Molez: you would probably get impressed by anything that involves compromising security
04:26.52A_Meteorite;) h/k
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04:36.15DTRemenak~topic restore #1
04:36.21DTRemenak~topic restore 1
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05:51.50[NP]Tangentfreenode get attacked earlier?
05:51.58L4m3ryup
05:54.41[NP]Tangentwhat happened?
05:55.21cosmosattacked by who
05:55.34cosmoscrazy islamic jihadis
05:56.04DTRemenak[NP]Tangent: the people who know aren't talking yet
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12:16.45zee290hey what does it mean by lag
12:17.33zee290?
12:18.00zee290any takers?
12:19.14bradhttp://bzflag.org/wiki/BzflagAndLag
12:19.16bradahh
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13:31.57gsneddersany admin/cop on Viper's feel like helping me with the website? :P
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13:44.42kattmathello.
13:44.56kattmat"error unpacking world database. join canceled." debian unstable ppc
13:45.09kattmatsame error on both apt-get version and self compiled version (2.0.8)
13:46.10brlcadHannesP: have you tried removing your cache files?
13:46.25HannesPoh. no i haven't. where are they located?
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13:47.10brlcadhmm. for debian, I believe they'll be in your ~/.bzf directory
13:47.33brlcadcould try mv ~/.bzf ~/.bzf.backup
13:48.30kattmatstill same error.
13:48.50brlcaddo you get that for all servers?
13:49.03kattmatyes
13:49.12brlcad64bit system?
13:49.27kattmat32bit ppc
13:49.33kattmati can't start my own servers either.
13:49.36kattmaterror -2
13:50.55brlcadcan't start them outright? or something else?  that error number isn't informative..
13:51.08brlcadadd -d -d -d -d flags
13:51.19brlcad(to bzfs)
13:52.03brlcadmy guess would be something wrong with curl/ares
13:52.22kattmathm
13:52.39kattmatlibcurl3
13:52.57brlcadwhat does adding the debug flags to bzfs show?
13:53.30kattmatRunning a private server with the following settings: listening on 0.0.0.0:5154 with title of ""
13:53.32brlcadit's a whole lot easier to get bzfs working, and surprising that it's not.. so I'd start there
13:53.33kattmatLIBCURL version:  libcurl/7.15.4 OpenSSL/0.9.8b zlib/1.2.3 libidn
13:53.40kattmatit's working
13:53.45kattmati'll try connecting to it from bzflag
13:54.07brlcadthen what did you mean by 09:49 < kattmat> i can't start my own servers either.
13:54.40kattmati can't start a server from inside bzflag
13:54.58brlcadah, that's interesting but unimportant
13:55.06kattmatPlayer [0] accept() from 127.0.0.1:45958 on 5
13:55.06kattmatPlayer [0] resolved to localhost.localdomain
13:55.06kattmatPlayer [0] submitted reverse resolve query
13:55.06kattmatPlayer  [0] inbound UDP up 127.0.0.1:45958 actual 45958
13:55.06kattmatPlayer  [0] uread() 127.0.0.1:45958 len 5 from 127.0.0.1:45958 on 4
13:55.09kattmatPlayer  [0] uread() 127.0.0.1:45958 len 4 from 127.0.0.1:45958 on 4
13:55.11kattmatPlayer  [0] outbound UDP up
13:55.14kattmatPlayer  [0] removed at 2006-06-25 15:54:09: Disconnected
13:55.28brlcadmore than likely a path problem or something silly inside the game
13:57.07kattmathmm
13:57.51kattmatwhen starting a server inside bzflag it sais
13:57.56kattmat"Failed (exit 2)"
13:58.15kattmati hadn't make install'ed the stuff yet before
13:58.19kattmatbut now i did, same errors
13:59.07brlcadthat's all fine and interesting and maybe even a bug, but not really a major viable concern if you can't sustain a connection to a server
13:59.19kattmathehe.
13:59.22brlcadit's not the best way to start a server regardless
13:59.33kattmatanyway, bzfs works.
13:59.41brlcadexactly
13:59.52kattmatyou have never heard of this problem before?
14:00.03brlcadnot specifically, no
14:00.12kattmati googled for "error unpacking world database. join canceled" and i got a few hits from the bzflag forums
14:00.20kattmatnone of which was of any help to me though
14:00.26brlcadthat is a very general error message
14:00.58brlcadcovers a whole category of problems that basically means "something was wrong talking to the server"
14:01.20kattmataha.
14:01.34brlcadhistorically caused by bad routers, buggy libcurl, corrupted cache files
14:01.55kattmatany ideas on what i can try?
14:02.44brlcadmy guess would still be something wrong with libcurl, 7.15.4 hasn't been out for very long at all
14:03.43kattmatok h
14:03.43kattmatm
14:03.44brlcadthat server log indicates that the client disconnected but that the server was responding fine
14:03.51kattmatexactly
14:03.58kattmatand they are using the same libcurl
14:04.06brlcadyeah, that version of libcurl is brand new, just a week and a half out
14:04.16brlcadthat could be why nothing has been heard yet
14:04.22kattmattrue.
14:04.27kattmatbut it works in the server.
14:04.33kattmatfeels like it should work in the client too.
14:04.46brlcadthe client has to do a lot more work than the server
14:05.07brlcadthey don't simply open two ends of a pipe and start chatting
14:05.14kattmatword. i have never worked with libcurl, maybe you can do more with it than just transfer data.
14:06.22brlcadi'd suggest trying to use a different version of libcurl for starters, downgrading if you can or compiling a previous version even and manually linking
14:06.22brlcadjust to see if that's the issue
14:06.23kattmatyeah i could try that.
14:06.35kattmati'll do it right after work, cause now my boss is calling for me
14:06.39kattmatthanks for all your help!
14:06.45brlcadno problem
14:07.08kattmatyeez, by the way, how much work can he expect from me? it's sunday for christ sake.. bye
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14:07.39Chestalwho is the bz guy to ask about the curl stuff?
14:11.48brlcadtupone
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15:34.21A_Heart_Attacki have a problem, can someone help me?
15:34.53A_Heart_Attackwhenever i got near a teleporter or a place with texturs, i jitter like crazy and my lag spikes
15:34.54JeffM2501probably depends on what the problem is
15:35.00A_Heart_Attacklol
15:35.05JeffM2501does your frame rate drop?
15:35.12A_Heart_Attackyea
15:35.23JeffM2501your card probably dosn't like the fog
15:35.35A_Heart_Attackany way to fix that
15:35.36A_Heart_Attack?
15:35.55JeffM2501ummm make your card not freak on it
15:35.57JeffM2501what card?
15:36.01JeffM2501and what drivers?
15:36.01A_Heart_Attacki have no clue
15:36.05JeffM2501what OS?
15:36.06A_Heart_Attackstill no clue
15:36.08A_Heart_Attackwindowxs
15:36.11A_Heart_Attackn*s=windows
15:36.15A_Heart_Attack**wondows
15:36.17A_Heart_Attackwow
15:36.18JeffM2501right click on your desktop
15:36.21A_Heart_Attackkk
15:36.23JeffM2501hit properties
15:36.30JeffM2501and hit the last tab
15:36.33JeffM2501it will say
15:36.39JeffM2501what version of windows do you run also?
15:36.48A_Heart_Attackxp home edition
15:37.33JeffM2501on the last tab (settings ) it will say your monitor and card next to "display"
15:37.42JeffM2501above where you set the resolution
15:38.30A_Heart_Attack"plug and play monitor on Intel(r) 82865G graphics controller"
15:38.36blast007:)
15:38.41JeffM2501yeah your "card" sucks
15:38.45A_Heart_Attacklol
15:38.48A_Heart_Attackno duh
15:38.51JeffM2501you have onboard video
15:38.56A_Heart_Attacki hate my crappy computer
15:38.58JeffM2501you can try to see if intel has newer drivers
15:39.07A_Heart_Attackhow woudl i do that? :p
15:39.15JeffM2501but the best thing would be to spend 30$ and get a real card
15:39.20A_Heart_Attacklol
15:39.25JeffM2501A_Heart_Attack, how much do you know about computers?
15:39.26A_Heart_Attackim too cheap
15:39.31JeffM2501who set that one up for you?
15:39.31A_Heart_Attackumm
15:39.37A_Heart_Attackmy uncle
15:39.40A_Heart_Attacki think
15:39.49JeffM2501I would ask him to help you find newer drivers
15:39.54A_Heart_Attackok...
15:39.58JeffM2501you will probably find them on intel's site
15:40.05A_Heart_Attackok
15:40.15A_Heart_Attackis there any other way i could fix the prob?
15:40.20JeffM2501not realy
15:40.27A_Heart_Attackok
15:40.28JeffM2501you could try lowering your quality settings
15:40.37JeffM2501but I'm guessing your video just dosn't like the fog
15:40.37A_Heart_Attackhmm ill try that
15:40.41A_Heart_Attackok
15:40.44JeffM2501the intel chips are not that great
15:40.54A_Heart_Attackok thanks for ur help
15:41.01spldartConfirmed... Other users complain that that chipset isn't powerful enough for bzflag
15:41.25JeffM2501it's like saying "I can't drive on the freeway at speed on my riding lawn mower"
15:41.32JeffM2501then asking "how can I fix that"
15:41.34A_Heart_Attacklol
15:41.44spldartActually... hehe
15:44.08blast007my 855 doesn't experience that issue, but I have the latest drivers too
15:44.57JeffM2501why don't you just get a new card for that thing ;)
15:45.01blast007laptop
15:45.20JeffM2501wire one in :)
15:45.24blast007i have a 5200 in my desktop system, but I never use that box
15:45.38blast007heh
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15:48.39[NP]Tangentyou wouldn't think that pillbox, with no rico, and no jumping, and no flags, could be any fun at all
15:48.42[NP]Tangentbut apparently it is
15:48.47[NP]Tangent:D
15:49.24spldart:)
15:52.11[NP]Tangentso kudos to whoever came up with it
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16:16.13I_Died_Oncey'all should have told taht guy to try turning off fog locally
16:16.48blast007I_Died_Once: the teleporters use fog to make the screen turn yellow
16:17.09blast007it's not the fog in the effects menu
16:17.26I_Died_Once...I don't get that either, why the yellow hue near teleporters in the first place?
16:18.12I_Died_Onceand while I'm at it, I miss the boioioioing sound from 1.x when you jumped
16:18.24blast007heh
16:18.28blast007put it back in then  ;)
16:18.32blast007it's just a .wav
16:19.06blast007the reason it was switched is because the animated jump jets were added to the tank
16:19.21blast007so it sounds more like jump jets now, not a spring  ;)
16:20.37JeffM2501the fog is to prevent the view from just jumping from one scene to another when you port
16:21.23blast007we should do a wormhole animation then  ;)
16:21.27blast007BZFlag SG-1
16:21.29JeffM2501and posibly flip back and forth if you drive right along the port boundry
16:22.13JeffM2501also kinda prevents you from seeing what's on the otherside right away
16:22.22JeffM2501makes porting a little dangerous
16:22.52blast007yeah
16:24.41spldarthow did you lose the jump.wav?
16:25.03spldartoh
16:25.09spldartyou prefer boing
16:25.47spldartYou know what would be kinda cool? Speed racer jump polevault sounds and animations :D
16:31.48[NP]Tangentretexture the tanks to be the Mach 5
16:32.08[NP]Tangentand turn the speed way up
16:32.08[NP]Tangent:D
16:32.37blast007and then make sure to put a kid and a monkey in the trunk
16:33.40[NP]Tangenthaha
16:34.01[NP]Tangentbut then you have to figure out a way to make red (blood) come from the tanks when they get shot
16:35.00blast007and instead of flags, you'd have buttons on the steering wheel
16:35.05[NP]Tangentsorta
16:35.08[NP]Tangentstill need flags
16:35.19[NP]Tangentbut certain flags enable certain buttons
16:36.48blast007new bad flag: oil slick
16:38.46[NP]Tangentmeh
16:38.48[NP]TangentMomentum
16:41.03blast007momentum doesn't make you spin out  ;)
16:43.23[NP]Tangentwhat if we had a bad flag
16:43.34[NP]Tangentthat randomly changed your direction keys every 1.5 seconds
16:46.28Matt123try it
16:47.29I_Died_OnceOne does not simply install linux on Mordor...
16:47.36I_Died_Onceno CD rom, no floppy to boot from...
16:47.51Matt123o...
16:48.06Matt123usvb ports?
16:48.10I_Died_Oncenope
16:48.10Matt123usb*
16:48.33Matt123then i bet u cant
16:49.27JeffM2501have a hard drive?
16:53.46blast007http://mirror.toc2rta.com/index.php/Main_Page  (linux on the MSNTV2)
16:54.09blast007Microsoft bought WebTV
16:55.31JeffM2501hah, you have to patch into the UART to get in
16:55.32JeffM2501funny
16:57.10blast007:)
16:57.22JeffM2501and it has to be the #2 one
16:57.26JeffM2501the other was mips
16:57.30blast007ah
16:58.35JeffM2501hmm many of the early ones didn't have HSs
16:58.39JeffM2501just some flash
16:59.07JeffM2501like a whoping 4 megs
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17:05.10I_Died_Oncei got started on the web with a webtv
17:05.17JeffM2501I'm sorry ;)
17:05.32JeffM2501is it a webTV or a WebTV Pluss?
17:05.35I_Died_Oncei had a blast.
17:05.42I_Died_Oncefirst a webtv, then a webtv plus
17:05.49JeffM2501the plus has a drive
17:05.56JeffM2501so that "may" be able to do it
17:06.01I_Died_Oncei still got it in a closet
17:06.05JeffM2501if they have a way to reflash the ROM
17:06.08I_Died_Oncethe original died during a lightening storm
17:06.23JeffM2501what's that?
17:06.51I_Died_Oncelightening it right outside the house, i was using it when it happened, and it shut off, never to turn back on
17:07.01I_Died_Oncethe old, old, firstmodel webtv that is
17:08.04JeffM2501what model is it?
17:17.12spldartLightning has hit my yard and house 3 times in 7 years :(
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17:25.13JeffM2501I am still unclear on this concept of "lightning"
17:28.14cosmosheh
17:36.59spldartA discharge of atmospheric electricity caused damage at my house 3 times in the last 7 years.
17:37.50JeffM2501why would the air dischare electricity
17:38.27spldartAsk merriam webster
17:38.30spldartand wiki
17:39.54spldartA stepleader from the sky propogated towards the ground making an electrical connection to a positive streamer propogating up from the ground.
17:40.24spldartMy house was the host to the union of a stepleader and postitive streamer 3 times in the last 7 years LOL
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17:47.21I_Died_OnceOK Jeff, whats a better term for "bolts of electricity that come down from the sky" ??
17:47.42[NP]Tangent"new bzflag flag idea"
17:48.03[NP]Tangentjump over some tank and drop a lightning bolt on it
17:48.07[NP]Tangentthat would be pretty funny
17:48.10spldartan atmospheric discharge is enough
17:48.23spldartinstead of a flag sticking up fromt he tank there's a vandegraff
17:48.25spldartLMAO
17:48.29[NP]Tangentrofl
17:49.19spldartEach time you land from a jump there's an arc sound then the 'land'
17:49.50[NP]TangentI'm gonna make a tribute-to-old-electronic-music sound pack for bzflag
17:50.01spldartActually... It could be a tad like SR too... you touch the tank and get killed too.
17:50.02[NP]Tangentthat's all drum machine sounds from the Roland 808
17:50.13[NP]Tangentyeah, that would be cool
17:50.15spldart808 kick drum makes the girlies get dumb
17:50.25[NP]Tangenthah
17:50.32[NP]Tangentnoisekicks are where it's at
17:50.53I_Died_Once"atmospheric discharge" sounds like something you should do in private
17:50.53spldart~/singsong
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17:51.24[NP]Tangentdon't make me "shoot a bolt" into your face
17:51.32A_Heart_Attacklol
17:51.36spldartYou ain't got the flags for it
17:51.39spldartLOL
17:51.45[NP]Tangentoh, but indeed I do
17:51.45A_Heart_Attacklol
17:52.01A_Heart_Attackwow, what r u fightin about?
17:52.06[NP]Tangent:D
17:52.12[NP]Tangentnot fighting
17:52.16A_Heart_Attacklol
17:52.24[NP]Tangentwe were just talking about if lightning bolts were a flag in bzf
17:52.33A_Heart_Attackthere not
17:52.43spldartIs there a T flag?
17:52.48A_Heart_Attackit would be cool if they were though
17:52.48I_Died_Oncewe'd need a god counter flag for lightening....
17:52.48[NP]Tangentyeah
17:52.52A_Heart_Attacklol
17:52.53[NP]TangentTiny = T
17:52.54I_Died_Once*good
17:52.57spldartSo much for tesle
17:53.03[NP]TangentTE
17:53.06spldartOk VG
17:53.06[NP]Tangentyou could do TE
17:53.09spldartoh
17:53.16spldarthrm
17:53.40I_Died_OnceI actuallly came up with a dismal idea for a bad flag, the jammed gun flag...
17:53.48I_Died_Oncetank cont fire at all for the duration
17:53.50A_Heart_Attacklol
17:53.53spldartIt would have to require you jump DIRECTLY over the tank your killing to be useful
17:54.02spldartand not overly powerful
17:54.32I_Died_Once"Leap Frog of DEATH"
17:54.40A_Heart_Attackwow
17:54.43spldartor overheated barrel flag.. slower reload times
17:54.54A_Heart_Attacki like it
17:55.09A_Heart_Attacki actually like IDO jammed gun flafg beter
17:55.11A_Heart_Attack*flag
17:55.23[NP]Tangentyeah, we have the F flag, so why not have a counterpart to it... slower reload
17:55.33I_Died_Oncewe'd ahve to come up with a better name fr it as not to confuse it with the jamming flag that f's with your radar
17:55.42A_Heart_Attackyea
17:55.44A_Heart_Attackhmm
17:55.49A_Heart_Attacknhow about JG
17:55.51A_Heart_Attacknjamed gun
17:55.54A_Heart_Attack*jamed
17:56.05I_Died_Onceword
17:56.05A_Heart_Attack**jammed
17:57.25I_Died_OnceId rather have more restrictions on going autopilot, like a perm, or designating an ip/range
17:57.41Matt123but it should be that if u shoot you explode
17:57.42A_Heart_Attacknaa
17:57.48I_Died_OnceI'm full of....
17:57.50I_Died_Onceideas
17:57.52A_Heart_Attackwhat, for JG
17:57.54A_Heart_Attack?
17:57.55Matt123yes
17:57.58A_Heart_Attacklol
17:58.00A_Heart_Attacknaa
17:58.02I_Died_Oncefull of something
17:58.06A_Heart_Attackmakes it too complicated
17:58.06Matt123becuse the gun is jammed so it would explode
17:58.12A_Heart_Attackno
17:58.25A_Heart_Attackif the guns jammed it just doesnt shoot
17:58.51Matt123goting to play bzflag
17:58.54Matt123going*
17:58.58Matt123~bzflah
17:58.59A_Heart_Attackkk
17:59.03Matt123~bzflag
17:59.04ibotbzflag is, like, a 3D internet multiplayer multiplatform (linux, irix, win32, etc) opensource opengl Battlezone capture the flag game of the same name that you must try at http://BZFlag.org/ or a continual development project with periodic gaming interuptions. See also TimRiker
17:59.37A_Heart_Attacklol
17:59.45A_Heart_Attacknicely said ibot
18:00.31A_Heart_Attack+
18:00.50[NP]Tangent~TimRiker
18:00.52iboti heard timriker is my owner http://rikers.org/ mailto:Tim@Rikers.org mailto:TimR@Debian.org maintainer of BZFlag, member of a ton of open source projects http://www.advogato.com/person/timriker/ http://sourceforge.net/users/timriker/ the guy who GPL'd SCO's ABI files, giving every Linux user the right to use them ;-), or a very cool guy.
18:01.20A_Heart_Attacklol
18:04.34A_Heart_Attack~irc
18:04.36ibotirc is probably Internet Relay Chat or a massive time sink
18:04.46A_Heart_Attacklol
18:10.01spldartcrap :( humped my first freebsd install attempt :(
18:17.20[NP]Tangent~armagetron
18:17.21ibotrumour has it, armagetron is a gltron clone, i can be found at http://www.sourceforge.org
18:17.28[NP]Tangent:D
18:17.33blast007~botpark
18:17.35ibot#BotPark is a channel for testing and talking to irc bots. Please do not talk to the bots too much in normal channels. You may msg them or talk in #BotPark
18:17.44[NP]Tangent:P
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