irclog2html for #bzflag on 20060619

`00:05.34`	`[NP]Tangent`	`oh man, this map is going to own in a minute`
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`00:26.04`	`[NP]Tangent`	`YES`
`00:26.09`	`[NP]Tangent`	`I finished one of my fortress towers`
`00:26.15`	`[NP]Tangent`	`now to make the other one`
`00:31.32`	`DTRemenak`	`no offense, but we really don't need the play-by-play commentary :)`
`00:33.28`	`A_Meteorite`	`heh`
`00:33.29`	`[NP]Tangent`	`sorry`
`00:33.35`	`[NP]Tangent`	`I'm just really happy about it`
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`01:01.44`	`I_Died_Once`	`>seen learner`
`01:01.53`	`I_Died_Once`	`<seen learner`
`01:02.05`	`I_Died_Once`	`~seen learner`
`01:02.15`	`ibot`	`learner <n=sean@pdpc/supporter/silver/brlcad> was last seen on IRC in channel #brlcad, 31d 10h 45m 44s ago, saying: 'by far more popular, unless you work for GM or defense .. then it depends'.`
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`01:05.06`	`*** mode/#bzflag [+o learner] by ChanServ`
`01:12.36`	`learner`	`alright I_Died_Once, it's not a denial and now you have me curious`
`01:12.44`	`learner`	`just what are you referring to?`
`01:14.19`	`learner`	`you say that I've spoken poorly of your server yet I honestly don't know which server is even yours, so if you believe I did, please refresh my memory as to what exactly I might have said?`
`01:14.38`	`learner`	`a log would be great for that matter`
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`01:55.28`	`[NP]Tangent`	`quick question about bases in maps`
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`01:55.50`	`[NP]Tangent`	`what are the color numbers?`
`01:58.03`	`A-Delusion`	`0 rogue, 1 red, 2 green 3blue, 4 purple.`
`01:58.09`	`[NP]Tangent`	`thanks`
`01:58.24`	`A_Meteorite`	`you can't do rogue bases obviously ;)`
`01:58.29`	`[NP]Tangent`	`of course`
`01:58.31`	`[NP]Tangent`	`:D`
`01:58.34`	`[NP]Tangent`	`what a stupid idea`
`01:58.39`	`A_Meteorite`	`red, green, blue, purple yup`
`01:58.52`	`[NP]Tangent`	`rrgbp`
`01:58.55`	`[NP]Tangent`	`simple enough`
`01:59.10`	`[NP]Tangent`	`Meteorite, I finished my FFA version of the map`
`01:59.16`	`[NP]Tangent`	`now I'm just throwing in some bases for a CTF version`
`01:59.18`	`[NP]Tangent`	`check forums`
`01:59.21`	`A_Meteorite`	`o`
`01:59.23`	`A_Meteorite`	`*ok`
`01:59.23`	`[NP]Tangent`	`or get on my server`
`01:59.30`	`[NP]Tangent`	`info also on forums`
`01:59.55`	`A_Meteorite`	`ok, going to server`
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`02:15.10`	`[NP]Tangent`	`another quick question about bases`
`02:15.16`	`[NP]Tangent`	`what is the height of the base?`
`02:15.18`	`[NP]Tangent`	`is it 0.0?`
`02:16.35`	`[NP]Tangent`	`guess I'll try and find out`
`02:16.45`	`JeffM2501`	`you set it`
`02:16.49`	`JeffM2501`	`it can be 0`
`02:16.52`	`JeffM2501`	`or some size`
`02:23.04`	`Gnurdux`	`wonderful.. debian just broke my 3d accel`
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`02:30.34`	`JeffM2501`	`debian dosn't ship with the nvidia drivers`
`02:31.02`	`JeffM2501`	`or the ATI ones for that matter ;)`
`02:31.06`	`JeffM2501`	`you have to install them`
`02:36.45`	`Gnurdux`	`this is INTEL`
`02:38.13`	`Gnurdux`	`the debian maintainer for X accidentally put in a newer version of the driver that doesn't work with the current version of opengl, this somehow got into testing even though bzflag took weeks. Now they inform me that the fix is of lowest priority.. so it will take 10 days AFTER it is fully functional to get in, and that itself will take several weeks.`
`02:38.28`	`Gnurdux`	`why can't they just downgrade the goddamn package, i dunno`
`02:38.56`	`JeffM2501`	`1) language`
`02:39.03`	`JeffM2501`	`2) it's testing.. what do you expect`
`02:39.08`	`Gnurdux`	`i suppose`
`02:39.17`	`JeffM2501`	`3) not realy bzflag related`
`02:39.23`	`Gnurdux`	`ok`
`02:39.34`	`JeffM2501`	`4) change to an os that updates more often ;)`
`02:39.41`	`Gnurdux`	`lol`
`02:39.47`	`Gnurdux`	`debian pisses me off about that`
`02:39.55`	`JeffM2501`	`so don't use it`
`02:40.29`	`JeffM2501`	`you have many choices`
`02:40.38`	`JeffM2501`	`but I'll bet you just like to complain cus it gets you attention.`
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`02:44.39`	`Gnurdux`	`no, i just like to complain period`
`02:44.49`	`A_Meteorite`	`lol...`
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`02:45.09`	`JeffM2501`	`because it gets you attention`
`02:45.11`	`JeffM2501`	`;)`
`02:45.14`	`JeffM2501`	`subconciously`
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`03:09.22`	`[NP]Tangent`	`woot`
`03:09.28`	`[NP]Tangent`	`I am DONE with my maps for a while`
`03:12.48`	`Birdie`	`every server detects if there is a to fast reloading of bullets?`
`03:12.56`	`Birdie`	`or does the serverowner has to enable that?`
`03:14.54`	`orange`	`Birdie: your router... it may be overheating`
`03:16.03`	`Birdie`	`hehe that was an answer with lots of lag:) (and it isnt "so" warm)`
`03:30.52`	`orange`	`Birdie: yeah, laggy, but it can definitely happen`
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`04:06.57`	`[NP]Tangent`	`noooo`
`04:07.05`	`PuMpErNiCkLe`	`o_O`
`04:07.09`	`[NP]Tangent`	`I can't compile on my shell`
`04:07.15`	`[NP]Tangent`	`and Taz is MIA`
`04:07.18`	`[NP]Tangent`	`grrrr`
`04:07.23`	`PuMpErNiCkLe`	`Why not?`
`04:07.33`	`[NP]Tangent`	`C compiler can't create executables`
`04:07.37`	`[NP]Tangent`	`though`
`04:07.43`	`A_Meteorite`	`[NP]Tangent: simple`
`04:07.50`	`[NP]Tangent`	`would it be possible for me to build bzfs on my laptop, then upload the output?`
`04:07.53`	`A_Meteorite`	`http://prdownloads.sourceforge.net/suparun/bzflag-2.0.8-x86-Opkg.tar.gz?download`
`04:08.02`	`A_Meteorite`	`already done binary`
`04:08.09`	`A_Meteorite`	`[NP]Tangent: depends`
`04:08.27`	`[NP]Tangent`	`depends on what?`
`04:08.38`	`A_Meteorite`	`depends on host and target OS`
`04:08.45`	`A_Meteorite`	`architecture, stuff`
`04:08.48`	`A_Meteorite`	`libraries`
`04:09.01`	`[NP]Tangent`	`both are Linux and x86`
`04:09.12`	`[NP]Tangent`	`libraries are all present on both systems`
`04:09.15`	`A_Meteorite`	`might be different glib though`
`04:09.22`	`A_Meteorite`	`I always ran into problems with that`
`04:09.31`	`A_Meteorite`	`well, than if that's so it should work ;)`
`04:09.32`	`[NP]Tangent`	`how can I check versions?`
`04:10.13`	`A_Meteorite`	`no idea`
`04:10.17`	`[NP]Tangent`	`ah well`
`04:10.21`	`[NP]Tangent`	`I'll give this a shot`
`04:10.22`	`A_Meteorite`	`all I know is that always has something to do with it`
`04:10.27`	`A_Meteorite`	`I would try a binary first`
`04:10.34`	`PuMpErNiCkLe`	`Your package manager should have a record of package versions.`
`04:10.48`	`[NP]Tangent`	`PuMpErNiCkLe, I can't use a packman on the remote box`
`04:10.53`	`A_Meteorite`	`PuMpErNiCkLe: But what about the remote machine?`
`04:10.54`	`A_Meteorite`	`yeah`
`04:11.16`	`PuMpErNiCkLe`	`Most package managers have a CLI interface too.`
`04:11.41`	`PuMpErNiCkLe`	`s/CLI interface/CLI/`
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`04:13.09`	`[NP]Tangent`	`I'm gonna try compiling this`
`04:13.15`	`[NP]Tangent`	`unless my host shows up anytime soon`
`04:13.26`	`A_Meteorite`	`brb`
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`05:38.21`	`[NP]Tangent`	`grr, this won't work`
`05:38.30`	`[NP]Tangent`	`maybe the binary would work`
`06:06.14`	`[NP]Tangent`	`how much bandwidth per month does a small bzflag server average?`
`06:06.20`	`[NP]Tangent`	`not too much, I imaging`
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`06:46.15`	`DTRemenak`	`[NP]Tangent: typical rule of thumb for 10-shot servers is 5 kilobytes per player per second.`
`06:46.40`	`[NP]Tangent`	`alright`
`06:46.46`	`[NP]Tangent`	`and less for a 3-shot server?`
`06:46.48`	`DTRemenak`	`yeah`
`06:46.53`	`[NP]Tangent`	`alright`
`06:47.00`	`L4m3r`	`but that's only downstream though right?`
`06:47.14`	`DTRemenak`	`L4m3r: no, upstream`
`06:47.19`	`DTRemenak`	`downstream is negligible`
`06:47.25`	`L4m3r`	`isn't upstream like 5 * players^2 per second?`
`06:47.30`	`DTRemenak`	`no`
`06:47.34`	`L4m3r`	`hm...`
`06:47.46`	`DTRemenak`	`more like 1.5 * n^1.6 / sec`
`06:47.50`	`L4m3r`	`heh`
`06:48.17`	`DTRemenak`	`most people can't do power-of-1.6 math in their heads, so we give the linearization at n=10 :)`
`06:48.23`	`L4m3r`	`heh`
`06:48.44`	`DTRemenak`	`10 shots, 10 players, will end up at 5 kb/s/p`
`06:49.57`	`DTRemenak`	`the graphs for secretplace are still around somewhere if you want the raw data and variance stuff`
`06:50.09`	`DTRemenak`	`variance is pretty high`
`06:50.15`	`L4m3r`	`I bet`
`06:50.47`	`DTRemenak`	`which is another reason I don't feel bad giving a linear rule-of-thumb`
`06:51.10`	`L4m3r`	`heh, the "anonymous mofo host" is hosting like half the community, and we're just now up to about half a terabye a month`
`06:51.32`	`L4m3r`	`peaked at 17GB in a day`
`06:51.33`	`DTRemenak`	`empty servers take no bandwidth :)`
`06:52.26`	`L4m3r`	`by contrast, big servers use an assload of bandwidth :P`
`06:52.44`	`DTRemenak`	`when Hills was at its peak it was using ~3.5gb/day steady`
`06:53.30`	`DTRemenak`	`although it tended to spiked at about half a meg a second`
`06:53.38`	`DTRemenak`	`s/spiked/spike`
`06:54.04`	`DTRemenak`	`course that was with 30 players or whatever`
`06:55.05`	`L4m3r`	`yeah, it starts getting big fast when there are upwards of 25`
`06:55.27`	`DTRemenak`	`and with unlimited jumps->people holding down tab->flooding msgplayerupdate`
`06:55.37`	`L4m3r`	`heh`
`06:56.01`	`DTRemenak`	`those were fun spikes to watch, when ten people would start holding down tab racing each other to the top of the map...`
`06:56.14`	`L4m3r`	`I bet`
`06:56.27`	`DTRemenak`	`and the players on dsl and dailup would start to lag out about then :)`
`06:57.11`	`L4m3r`	`I managed to go a whole year without pissing off the UCLA resnet techs :)`
`06:57.16`	`DTRemenak`	`heh`
`06:57.52`	`DTRemenak`	`Tech's IT people never gave me any crap about it. they asked once if I was aware of the traffic, I said yeah, it's a test server for an open-source project I work on, and they left me alone`
`06:57.54`	`L4m3r`	`I wonder how much bandwidth it would take...`
`06:58.26`	`L4m3r`	`I wonder if I could get them to run a permanent server`
`06:58.43`	`L4m3r`	`...not that I have any idea who I'd ask`
`06:59.03`	`DTRemenak`	`get a professor to sponsor it and I bet you could`
`07:01.07`	`L4m3r`	`I told a professor about making plugins for the game as an application of the intro-level C++ courses, but he didn't seem to think anything of it :P`
`07:02.02`	`DTRemenak`	`heh :)`
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`07:32.14`	`uso`	`has anyone tested how much more bandwidth it uses without the update throttling on a busy server?`
`07:40.53`	`[NP]Tangent`	`UDP is better than just TCP for a bzflag server, right?`
`07:42.21`	`L4m3r`	`yeah.`
`07:42.50`	`[NP]Tangent`	`so should my host open both TCP and UDP?`
`07:42.57`	`L4m3r`	`yes.`
`07:43.19`	`L4m3r`	`TCP gets real jittery`
`07:43.41`	`[NP]Tangent`	`alright`
`07:43.42`	`[NP]Tangent`	`thanks`
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`07:55.34`	`[NP]Tangent`	`~query 216.32.80.156`
`07:55.40`	`[NP]Tangent`	`er`
`07:55.44`	`[NP]Tangent`	`what's that command again?`
`07:55.47`	`L4m3r`	`bzfquery :P`
`07:55.57`	`[NP]Tangent`	`~bzfquery 216.32.80.156:5154`
`07:56.04`	`[NP]Tangent`	`odd`
`07:56.11`	`[NP]Tangent`	`then it's just not communicating with the list server`
`07:56.27`	`[NP]Tangent`	`cuz that server is not on the list anywhere`
`07:56.32`	`[NP]Tangent`	`I don't think`
`07:56.35`	`[NP]Tangent`	`I'll look again`
`07:57.19`	`[NP]Tangent`	`no, it's not on the list`
`07:58.13`	`[NP]Tangent`	`I wonder why`
`07:59.39`	`[NP]Tangent`	`what's up?`
`08:00.01`	`L4m3r`	`just got back from college. room full of crap from around the house. sleeping on couch.`
`08:00.18`	`[NP]Tangent`	`ah`
`08:00.26`	`L4m3r`	`sister sits on couch and yaks on phone for about two hours, then sits smelly nasty dog on couch for another two hours`
`08:01.04`	`L4m3r`	`...and then has the nerve to get mad at me for being pissed off`
`08:03.27`	`[NP]Tangent`	`sucks`
`08:03.51`	`L4m3r`	`yeah.`
`08:04.15`	`L4m3r`	`(now accepting bets on how long I'll be living in the living room- I wager 3 weeks)`
`08:04.28`	`[NP]Tangent`	`~bzfquery 216.32.80.154:5154`
`08:04.35`	`[NP]Tangent`	`hm`
`08:06.08`	`[NP]Tangent`	`alright`
`08:06.11`	`[NP]Tangent`	`it's on the list now`
`08:06.15`	`L4m3r`	`good`
`08:06.34`	`L4m3r`	`lol, infomercial on TV, guess that's my cue to go to bed`
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`08:28.40`	`[NP]Tangent`	`trepan`
`08:28.48`	`[NP]Tangent`	`wanna be the first to see the ctf version of my map?`
`08:28.58`	`trepan`	`not really`
`08:29.13`	`[NP]Tangent`	`ah well`
`08:32.33`	`[NP]Tangent`	`note to self`
`08:32.54`	`[NP]Tangent`	`servers show up in the list better when you remember to start the server again after shutting it down`
`08:54.46`	`[NP]Tangent`	`~bzfquery 216.32.80.154:5154`
`08:54.53`	`[NP]Tangent`	`gah`
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`08:56.21`	`romfis`	`ns identif romfis`
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`09:10.13`	`Mr_Molez`	`lmao`
`09:10.19`	`Mr_Molez`	`romfis: better change it ;)`
`09:11.46`	`ruskie`	`lol`
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`09:26.57`	`trepan`	`something like this, so far: http://trepan.homelinux.net/stats.txt`
`09:36.12`	`[NP]Tangent`	`is it possible to run bzfs as a daemon?`
`09:36.27`	`[NP]Tangent`	`my current set up here apparently requires that my laptop stay online with its terminal open`
`09:37.27`	`ruskie`	`run it in screen?`
`09:37.35`	`[NP]Tangent`	`what's screen?`
`09:37.46`	`[NP]Tangent`	`wait`
`09:37.49`	`[NP]Tangent`	`there's a man page`
`09:38.47`	`romfis`	`lol Molez`
`09:39.02`	`romfis`	`nwhat command is fpr change here on IRC ?`
`09:39.16`	`romfis`	`fpr - for`
`09:39.18`	`trepan`	`bzfs -conf conffile &> logfile & disown # bash shell, maybe others`
`09:39.31`	`trepan`	`<PROTECTED>`
`09:39.37`	`romfis`	`pw`
`09:39.55`	`romfis`	`identify`
`09:40.38`	`[dmp]`	`trepan: is this something you've implemented (stats.txt) ?`
`09:40.44`	`trepan`	`[dmp]: yup`
`09:41.03`	`trepan`	`well, mostly :)`
`09:41.23`	`trepan`	`haven't started the "buddy" part yet`
`09:42.00`	`Mr_Molez`	`romfis: not sure`
`09:42.10`	`romfis`	`hm`
`09:42.24`	`romfis`	`i search on google`
`09:42.25`	`[dmp]`	`trepan: oh. I was working on a very similar project :-)`
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`09:48.01`	`trepan`	`[dmp]: based on player names / ips / ids?`
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`09:49.23`	`[dmp]`	`trepan: only playernames`
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`09:49.45`	`trepan`	`then carry on... mine's for reg'ed players only ;)`
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`09:50.02`	`[dmp]`	`trepan: http://dennis.moellegaard.dk/wiki/gps:start`
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`09:50.38`	`[dmp]`	`trepan: same here. And I see we "both" have tne question about who is managing the groups :)`
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`09:51.56`	`trepan`	`ah, mine is more focused on player stats, it keeps a DB of about 30 parameters (kills, deaths, capture types, playtime, observetime, etc...)`
`09:52.33`	`trepan`	`the /yell, /seen, /memo, etc... type junk came basically for free`
`09:53.21`	`trepan`	`the queries can also be funky, ex: /stats min (kills-deaths)/(deaths+kills+5)`
`09:54.14`	`[dmp]`	`ah`
`09:54.38`	`trepan`	`or "/stats max kills/playtime" (or abbreviated, kl/pt), basic math ops...`
`09:55.12`	`[dmp]`	`trepan: is it a plugin only, or is there going to be a page like strayers too?`
`09:55.52`	`trepan`	`it's both a plugin or bzfs patch at this point (i prefer coding with the patch)`
`09:56.06`	`trepan`	`also requires a separate custom server process for the DB`
`09:57.35`	`trepan`	`DB is currently custom, but could probably be swapped for an SQL DB fairly easily`
`09:58.08`	`[dmp]`	`ah, they are similar :) My plan was to integrate my ladder.bzflag.org (stats) with the chat, because the plugin is basically the same (forwards whatever it sees). But then again, i got an exam coming up :)`
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`10:09.35`	`uso`	`trepan: will the DB be local on each bzflag server or global?`
`10:10.11`	`trepan`	`1 DB that will serve both types of queries`
`10:10.23`	`trepan`	`(you could run you own as well)`
`10:10.48`	`trepan`	`but then /seen, /yell, etc... become less useful`
`10:19.46`	`brad`	`what does /yell do?`
`10:22.15`	`trepan`	`<PROTECTED>`
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`10:22.27`	`uso`	`kill statistics sounds nice, maybe a kind of an elo system`
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`10:23.40`	`uso`	`but i'm not sure if i want an playtime/observetime log and to be "shouted" by other people from different servers while i'm playing ;)`
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`10:25.01`	`trepan`	`yup, had thought about it, might add more permissions type code`
`10:25.56`	`trepan`	`might be a requirement in China :)`
`10:26.15`	`uso`	`hehe, different worlds :)`
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`11:33.40`	`gsnedders`	`ruskie: SERIOUSLY!?`
`11:33.47`	`ruskie`	`yup`
`11:33.55`	`ruskie`	`"Super Captain HD13"`
`11:34.05`	`ruskie`	`viper sniper shot him`
`11:34.15`	`ruskie`	`then the guy started tking then was poll kicked`
`11:34.19`	`ruskie`	`then starte changing nicks`
`11:34.20`	`ruskie`	`:)`
`11:35.39`	`ruskie`	`lol`
`11:40.34`	`gsnedders`	`23 out of 50 cars failed to finish.`
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`14:25.03`	`Gnurdux`	`hi Tropican8`
`14:25.10`	`Tropican8`	`Hey gnu`
`14:25.59`	`Tropican8`	`join a channel, I can't reply remember? Forgot my pass eons ago`
`14:26.28`	`Gnurdux`	`ah ok`
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`15:27.27`	`cruel_dog`	`hi`
`15:27.40`	`cruel_dog`	`how do you change the default ban time of the shortban priv?`
`15:29.46`	`cruel_dog`	`is someone here?`
`15:29.59`	`CBG`	`No. nobody.`
`15:30.02`	`cruel_dog`	`lol`
`15:30.04`	`cruel_dog`	`CBG`
`15:30.08`	`cruel_dog`	`do you know how?`
`15:30.39`	`blast007`	`might be tied to the poll ban time`
`15:30.55`	`cruel_dog`	`no`
`15:31.03`	`orange`	`yes, I believe that is correct`
`15:31.05`	`cruel_dog`	`the default ban time is 5 hours`
`15:31.09`	`cruel_dog`	`how can you modify that?`
`15:31.16`	`cruel_dog`	`for the SHORTBAN priv`
`15:31.20`	`orange`	`last I checked it is the same as the poll ban time`
`15:31.23`	`blast007`	`yeah`
`15:31.28`	`cruel_dog`	`ok`
`15:31.32`	`cruel_dog`	`how to modify the poll ban time?`
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`15:31.40`	`blast007`	`with bzfs -help`
`15:31.45`	`cruel_dog`	`?`
`15:31.47`	`cruel_dog`	`no`
`15:31.49`	`cruel_dog`	`i dont host`
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`15:31.59`	`blast007`	`it's changed on the command line`
`15:32.01`	`cruel_dog`	`its in the conf i think`
`15:32.10`	`cruel_dog`	`?`
`15:32.13`	`CBG`	`cruel_dog: if you don't host, you can't change it.`
`15:32.15`	`blast007`	`or in the conf`
`15:32.20`	`CBG`	`Same thing.`
`15:32.23`	`cruel_dog`	`ah`
`15:32.39`	`cruel_dog`	`well`
`15:32.42`	`cruel_dog`	`i host from distance`
`15:32.53`	`Gnurdux`	`on my box :)`
`15:32.58`	`cruel_dog`	`yeah`
`15:33.00`	`CBG`	`Do you run bzfs (anywhere) ?`
`15:33.10`	`orange`	`then Gnurdux changes the conf for it`
`15:33.15`	`cruel_dog`	`its a nohum bzfs commands`
`15:33.17`	`orange`	`it's in bzfs -help, as blast007 says`
`15:33.18`	`Gnurdux`	`orange, he has ssh access`
`15:33.44`	`CBG`	`Do you run bzfs (anywhere), cruel_dog?`
`15:33.44`	`orange`	`then he doesn't know what to do with it :-)`
`15:33.52`	`cruel_dog`	`not with ssh`
`15:34.03`	`cruel_dog`	`ah yes`
`15:34.07`	`cruel_dog`	`i would know how`
`15:34.12`	`cruel_dog`	`i'll try`
`15:34.16`	`blast007`	`heck, if you even have bzfs _anywhere_ you can run the bzfs -help`
`15:34.33`	`CBG`	`Then you don't host at all. Running a bzflag server sort of involves using bzfs.......`
`15:34.39`	`cruel_dog`	`crueldog@Mikey:~$ nohup bzfs -help`
`15:34.39`	`cruel_dog`	nohup: appending output to `nohup.out'
`15:34.45`	`cruel_dog`	`sais that`
`15:34.58`	`blast007`	`don't run nohup`
`15:35.02`	`blast007`	`just 'bzfs -help'`
`15:35.04`	`cruel_dog`	`ok`
`15:35.05`	`cruel_dog`	`got it`
`15:35.11`	`CBG`	`just run /path/to/bzfs -help`
`15:35.23`	`orange`	`http://www.uic.edu/depts/accc/software/unixgeneral/unix101.html`
`15:35.30`	`orange`	`may also help you`
`15:36.14`	`cruel_dog`	`i dont find the help`
`15:36.35`	`cruel_dog`	`i dont find the thing in the help`
`15:37.12`	`orange`	`it's there... search on 'ban'`
`15:37.51`	`cruel_dog`	`there is -ban -banfile, thats it`
`15:37.59`	`blast007`	`it's a poll setting`
`15:38.06`	`blast007`	`hint hint`
`15:38.30`	`cruel_dog`	`poll=variable=value`
`15:38.37`	`CBG`	`Oh, for gods sake...`
`15:38.46`	`cruel_dog`	`that doesnt tell me`
`15:38.48`	`CBG`	`Poll Variables: (see -poll) - banTime: number of minutes player should be banned (default=300)`
`15:39.18`	`cruel_dog`	`-poll -publuc`
`15:39.19`	`cruel_dog`	`i dont see -bantime`
`15:39.28`	`blast007`	`it's down further`
`15:39.29`	`CBG`	`Are you blind?`
`15:39.32`	`cruel_dog`	`no`
`15:39.46`	`cruel_dog`	`but im not accustumized with my lcd screen`
`15:39.46`	`blast007`	`just above the flag codes...`
`15:40.27`	`CBG`	`Do a damn search for "banTime"`
`15:40.33`	`cruel_dog`	`how`
`15:40.37`	`cruel_dog`	`its in a termina`
`15:40.40`	`cruel_dog`	`how to search`
`15:40.57`	`cruel_dog`	`found`
`15:41.00`	`cruel_dog`	`but`
`15:41.08`	`cruel_dog`	`that doesnt tell me hpw to do it`
`15:41.11`	`CBG`	`Copy it into textedit..?!?`
`15:41.30`	`blast007`	`cruel_dog: sure it does`
`15:41.36`	`blast007`	`Poll Variables: (see -poll)`
`15:41.38`	`cruel_dog`	`Poll Variables: (see -poll)`
`15:41.38`	`cruel_dog`	`<PROTECTED>`
`15:41.45`	`cruel_dog`	`but`
`15:41.48`	`blast007`	`so see -poll`
`15:41.50`	`cruel_dog`	`how do i put that in the command?`
`15:41.56`	`blast007`	`read what it says`
`15:41.58`	`CBG`	`SEE -POLL`
`15:42.00`	`cruel_dog`	`i'll try something`
`15:42.13`	`orange`	`[-poll <variable>=<value>]`
`15:42.28`	`cruel_dog`	`ok`
`15:42.36`	`orange`	`it's in the help, seriously... the most important thing which wasn't in the help, we already told you`
`15:42.42`	`orange`	`that shortban time is linked to pollban time`
`15:43.01`	`cruel_dog`	`so bzfs -conf...& -poll bantime=100`
`15:43.12`	`cruel_dog`	`?`
`15:43.15`	`cruel_dog`	`should work?`
`15:43.27`	`brlcad`	`try it`
`15:43.31`	`cruel_dog`	`k`
`15:43.35`	`CBG`	`bzfs -poll bantime=#`
`15:43.42`	`cruel_dog`	`and the conf?`
`15:43.54`	`cruel_dog`	`lol`
`15:43.59`	`cruel_dog`	`i'll try`
`15:44.50`	`CBG`	`bzfs -poll bantime=# -conf /path/to.conf -set _myIQ 0`
`15:45.10`	`CBG`	`Wait. no need to set it to 0...`
`15:45.18`	`cruel_dog`	`...`
`15:46.35`	`brlcad`	`cbg, he may be lazy and unwilling to think it through, but no sense to be insulting on top of it -- just don't help`
`15:47.00`	`cruel_dog`	`thanks CBG`
`15:47.03`	`cruel_dog`	`im trying now...`
`15:47.14`	`CBG`	`you're welcome dog`
`15:47.38`	`blast007`	`you can also put the -poll command into the conf, just like any other similar settings`
`15:48.05`	`cruel_dog`	`done`
`15:48.09`	`cruel_dog`	`ah`
`15:48.16`	`cruel_dog`	`its now u say it!`
`15:48.39`	`cruel_dog`	`so i put -poll bantime=60 ?`
`15:48.39`	`brlcad`	`the documentation tells you`
`15:48.43`	`cruel_dog`	`ion the coinf?`
`15:48.49`	`cruel_dog`	`what docum,entation?`
`15:48.53`	`blast007`	`..`
`15:50.09`	`brlcad`	`you really should read the manual page in its entirety before trying to start a public server`
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`16:44.37`	`Gnurdux`	`~ne1`
`16:44.39`	`ibot`	`There is no such nick ne1. If you can't be bothered to type 'anyone' we can't be bothered to help you`
`16:44.47`	`Gnurdux`	`lol`
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`17:34.26`	`ruskie`	`hmm nice... killed sooo many ppl...`
`17:34.43`	`ruskie`	`to bad that by the end I was being hunted by atleast 3 ppl`
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`17:37.23`	`TheRedBaron`	`ruskie: being hunted makes the game more enjoyable`
`17:37.41`	`ruskie`	`TheRedBaron, yeah.. if it's one or two...`
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`17:37.46`	`ruskie`	`not when it's like half the other team`
`17:38.01`	`TheRedBaron`	`ruskie: nah, the more the merrier I always say`
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`17:38.49`	`TheRedBaron`	`I like being the prey and turning the tables :-D`
`17:40.19`	`[NP]Tangent`	`I like finding a nice place surrounded by walls and then taking out my anger on the other team with SB`
`17:40.47`	`I_Died_Once`	`I like going to Viper's Two Castles and hunting whatever admin is on`
`17:40.48`	`blast007`	`I like grabbing a SW and killing the person hiding with SB`
`17:41.09`	`TheRedBaron`	`I love grabbing tiny, and dodging everything matrix style`
`17:47.55`	`DTRemenak`	`~hunt TheRedBaron`
`17:48.01`	`I_Died_Once`	`usually Moto Unit catches on and gets pissy, refuses to spawn while I'm on`
`17:49.31`	`ruskie`	`lol`
`17:49.43`	`ruskie`	`I just start huntisg ppl I see trying to kill me all the time`
`17:50.11`	`ruskie`	`especialy the ones that come after me in the first 3 min...`
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`17:51.46`	`gsnedders`	`I_Died_Once: why you think we play anonymously?`
`17:51.47`	`gsnedders`	`:)`
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`17:53.20`	`ruskie`	`yup`
`17:53.24`	`ruskie`	`to take vengance on ppl :)`
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`17:58.30`	`[NP]Tangent`	`hm`
`17:58.37`	`[NP]Tangent`	`with bzfs, anyone know how I can run it as a daemon?`
`17:58.51`	`[NP]Tangent`	`it's on a shell account and I need to close my terminal without killing the server`
`17:58.57`	`Gnurdux`	`[NP]Tangent, write a script`
`17:59.05`	`DTRemenak`	`"daemon -f bzfs" on bsd`
`17:59.07`	`Gnurdux`	`nah, just run it in the background`
`17:59.09`	`JeffM2501`	`screen`
`17:59.22`	`Gnurdux`	`you can just do: bzfs -conf bzfs.conf&`
`17:59.38`	`JeffM2501`	`screen will let you get back into it easaly;)`
`17:59.42`	`ruskie`	`yeah screen`
`17:59.48`	`ruskie`	`like already SAID once`
`18:02.42`	`orchid`	`~seen menotume`
`18:02.54`	`ibot`	`menotume <n=meno@pdpc/supporter/active/menotume> was last seen on IRC in channel ##essy, 18d 15h 57m 58s ago, saying: 'isreal'.`
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`19:27.24`	`L4m3r`	`is there a reason for the fact that when I minimize the client, it switches my screen from 60HZ to 85HZ?`
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`20:20.16`	`JeffM2501`	`probably because you have bz set to 60`
`20:20.23`	`JeffM2501`	`and your desktop set to 85`
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`23:38.06`	`csmanx`	`hello folks`
`23:38.34`	`csmanx`	`i'm trying to find the right settings to send audio through the network`
`23:38.37`	`csmanx`	`is that possible ?`
`23:40.32`	`trepan`	`http://www.teamsound.com/`
`23:40.54`	`trepan`	`http://www.icecast.org/`
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`23:45.21`	`purple_cow`	`esd is probably easiest`
`23:47.29`	`trepan`	`purple_cow: depends on what csmanx means by "audio through the network", if it's teamchat...`
`23:47.40`	`purple_cow`	`true`
`23:49.57`	`I_Died_Once`	`...if anyone is to be important, it SHOULD be server ops`
`23:50.16`	`trepan`	`heh`
`23:50.21`	`JeffM2501`	`no he wants to have bzflag dump it's sound out to another machine`
`23:50.28`	`JeffM2501`	`if he's the same person that asked it last night`
`23:50.56`	`csmanx`	`purple_cow: right, but i'm now talking about streaming sound, i'm talking about passing bzflag's wav sounds through my LAN to play in another box that has the speakers attached =)`
`23:51.04`	`csmanx`	`JeffM2501 got it`
`23:51.05`	`purple_cow`	`csmanx: esd`
`23:51.24`	`csmanx`	`purple_cow: yeah, i'm doing that with mplayer, and xmms, but don't know how to set it up with bzflag`
`23:51.30`	`JeffM2501`	`and as I said last night it's all handled via SDL`
`23:51.32`	`csmanx`	`i entered esd in audio prefs`
`23:52.01`	`csmanx`	`JeffM2501: sorry, couldn't read your answer , i shut the laptop down`
`23:52.15`	`JeffM2501`	`the params in bz are just sent to SDL`
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`23:52.23`	`JeffM2501`	`so if SDL suports it with ESD it'll work`
`23:52.28`	`JeffM2501`	`we don't have anything to do with it tho`
`23:52.40`	`Gnurdux`	`yes me 3d accel is fixed, and not only that the fullscreen bug is gone!`
`23:52.48`	`csmanx`	`JeffM2501: in that case, what should i enter in audio prefs ?`
`23:52.58`	`JeffM2501`	`don't know`
`23:53.12`	`csmanx`	`ok`
`23:53.19`	`JeffM2501`	`you'd have to check and see what SDL does with the params`
`23:53.29`	`TimRiker`	`try: export SDL_AUDIODRIVER=esd`
`23:53.30`	`JeffM2501`	`if they send them to ESD, or if they do there own processing of it`
`23:53.48`	`csmanx`	`let's see...`
`23:53.51`	`TimRiker`	`or just "SDL_AUDIODRIVER=esd bzflag"`
`23:53.54`	`JeffM2501`	`I'm guessint it checks that environ var like trepan says ;)`
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