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| 03:49.44 | supertanker | is it just me or is Wget 2x faster than using a web browser to download? |
| 03:50.03 | A_Meteorite | it seems that way for me too :) |
| 03:50.24 | A_Meteorite | argh, I so wish anoncvs was working |
| 03:50.25 | JeffM2501 | your browser probably does other stuff |
| 03:50.34 | supertanker | do all web servers support --continue? |
| 03:50.34 | JeffM2501 | A_Meteorite, what do you need from CVS? |
| 03:50.47 | JeffM2501 | oh |
| 03:50.49 | JeffM2501 | nothing |
| 03:50.51 | A_Meteorite | Well, I see a lot of commits there... :) |
| 03:50.52 | JeffM2501 | nothing to see here |
| 03:50.54 | JeffM2501 | move along |
| 03:50.56 | A_Meteorite | heh |
| 03:50.56 | supertanker | It worked for me an hour ago, I downloaded the db module again |
| 03:50.56 | JeffM2501 | move along |
| 03:51.14 | JeffM2501 | this isn't the code your looking for |
| 03:51.24 | A_Meteorite | ummm... riiiight :P |
| 03:51.48 | supertanker | omg I am getting 5.37 K/s! that is 2x than normal! |
| 03:51.55 | A_Meteorite | lol |
| 03:52.06 | JeffM2501 | I do not think your god has anything to do with bandwith |
| 03:52.08 | supertanker | either that or my grandmothers line down in Santa Barbra is 2x than our line up in the mountains... |
| 03:52.15 | JeffM2501 | supertanker, or wget just reports it wrong ;) |
| 03:52.36 | A_Meteorite | best thing to do is get the same file and time it with a stopwatch ;) |
| 03:52.44 | supertanker | most likely... |
| 03:52.46 | A_Meteorite | (or use the built-in timer) |
| 03:52.59 | A_Meteorite | bigger files == more accurate results |
| 03:53.00 | supertanker | problem: i'm downloading a 671 meg file |
| 03:53.03 | JeffM2501 | well SB is closer to the bandwith |
| 03:53.04 | A_Meteorite | lol |
| 03:53.08 | supertanker | that would be a LONG experiment |
| 03:53.16 | A_Meteorite | dial-up? |
| 03:53.24 | supertanker | yes |
| 03:53.30 | supertanker | Kubuntu linux v 5.10 |
| 03:53.36 | A_Meteorite | I would get a 10MB file and download it with wget and the browser |
| 03:53.39 | supertanker | ETA 34:21:12 |
| 03:53.43 | A_Meteorite | would be a good estimate |
| 03:54.01 | JeffM2501 | why does your grandma need linux? |
| 03:54.10 | A_Meteorite | rofl! |
| 03:54.14 | supertanker | okay...i'll do that after I download this. One question, do most HTTP servers support continuing a file? |
| 03:54.26 | JeffM2501 | supertanker, not that I am aware of |
| 03:54.28 | supertanker | I need linux, i'm visiting my grandma |
| 03:54.45 | supertanker | and I forgot my Fedora distro disks |
| 03:55.28 | JeffM2501 | why do you NEED linux |
| 03:55.37 | JeffM2501 | when you are suposed to be visiting your grandma |
| 03:55.53 | A_Meteorite | ;) |
| 03:55.58 | lan56 | thats a high tech grannie |
| 03:56.16 | A_Meteorite | lan56: especially considering my mom can barely use Windows XP |
| 03:56.24 | A_Meteorite | or Mac OS X, for that matter... |
| 03:56.29 | JeffM2501 | I don't see the problem, says it'll take 28 min to get the install ISO |
| 03:56.31 | supertanker | 'Grannie" doesn't have a computer... |
| 03:56.33 | JeffM2501 | 366l |
| 03:56.51 | lan56 | A_Meteorite, hah |
| 03:57.39 | JeffM2501 | you could drive down here and get it faster then you'd download it |
| 03:57.48 | A_Meteorite | heh |
| 03:58.14 | JeffM2501 | and he ain't gonna get it in one shot |
| 03:58.31 | A_Meteorite | a download manager can, afaik |
| 03:58.45 | JeffM2501 | yeah |
| 03:58.48 | JeffM2501 | if the server supports it |
| 03:58.49 | A_Meteorite | (well, at least you can resume it, not sure if that's a server dependency, though) |
| 03:58.52 | JeffM2501 | but that ain't "wget" |
| 03:58.53 | supertanker | I'm using an FTP server with continue. Weird, downloaiding from korea is faster than a mirror in sacromento |
| 03:59.01 | A_Meteorite | woah |
| 03:59.08 | JeffM2501 | just the pipe |
| 03:59.11 | JeffM2501 | difrent route and load |
| 03:59.12 | supertanker | no, it supports -c |
| 03:59.29 | supertanker | YES crossing Jordan is on tonight...YAY |
| 03:59.30 | JeffM2501 | I've got 85 megs of it allready |
| 03:59.42 | supertanker | I've got 10 megs of it already |
| 03:59.45 | A_Meteorite | JeffM2501: You have an 85Mb pipe? |
| 03:59.49 | A_Meteorite | oh... |
| 03:59.56 | JeffM2501 | 100 megs |
| 04:00.03 | JeffM2501 | naw, just DSL |
| 04:00.04 | supertanker | OMG Law and Order CI is next! |
| 04:00.10 | supertanker | 10.2 megs |
| 04:00.18 | JeffM2501 | supertanker, umm yeah we don't care about your TV shows |
| 04:00.21 | JeffM2501 | get a TIVO |
| 04:00.27 | JeffM2501 | don't let the tube rule your life |
| 04:00.42 | supertanker | In New York city's war on crime, the worst criminal offenders are pursuied by the members of the Mega BZFlag squad. These are their coolest matches/ |
| 04:00.45 | supertanker | jk |
| 04:00.56 | lan56 | :| |
| 04:01.02 | JeffM2501 | wow, I think I got stupider reading that |
| 04:01.28 | supertanker | I actually rarely watch TV...only on sundays sometimes for Crossing Jordan. Other than that, I usually just do other stuff. |
| 04:01.37 | supertanker | I don't get how people watch tv for 7 hours a day |
| 04:01.52 | JeffM2501 | they are called "homeschooled" ;) |
| 04:02.06 | A_Meteorite | lol |
| 04:02.12 | A_Meteorite | I'm homeschooled ^_^ |
| 04:02.30 | JeffM2501 | and how much TV do you watch? |
| 04:02.37 | A_Meteorite | (and sometimes I be a bad boy and go on the computer during school) |
| 04:02.42 | A_Meteorite | probably 3 hours daily |
| 04:02.50 | lan56 | well 7 hours is a little extreme but many times tv can be a good background noise and entertainment on the side, in addition to something else, so it isn;t really watching with passion as much as just having it on for the company |
| 04:03.21 | A_Meteorite | I like Lost, Numb3rs, Survivor, Amazing Race, and a few others |
| 04:03.49 | supertanker | 2 hours a night usually...all TV cop shows. Good family time with my parents. Yup, Numbers, Without a Trace, Cold Case, the CSI series, the Law and Order Ceries, etc |
| 04:04.06 | A_Meteorite | Without a Trace is also a good one. :) |
| 04:04.09 | supertanker | crap, I mean numbers |
| 04:04.12 | supertanker | I'm not tired |
| 04:04.40 | JeffM2501 | silly people tied to the times broadcasts are on |
| 04:04.48 | A_Meteorite | I'm not a big fan on investigation... Numb3rs isn't that "investigationess" or however you want to put it |
| 04:04.54 | JeffM2501 | live TV is so 20th centry |
| 04:04.58 | A_Meteorite | lol |
| 04:05.13 | A_Meteorite | we also have an antenna for our TV :o |
| 04:05.18 | supertanker | well, its usually a good time for me and I don't really care about recording. If I can't see it, so what. I'm not 'tied' to the tV |
| 04:05.22 | JeffM2501 | why bother? |
| 04:05.24 | A_Meteorite | yup, no cable here (we can't afford it) |
| 04:06.14 | JeffM2501 | cable? |
| 04:06.19 | JeffM2501 | what is this term "cable"? |
| 04:06.20 | supertanker | no cable here either.....only antena |
| 04:06.24 | A_Meteorite | or satellite |
| 04:06.27 | A_Meteorite | umm... |
| 04:06.37 | A_Meteorite | JeffM2501: Not a TV guy? |
| 04:06.40 | JeffM2501 | mmmm digital satallity goodness :) |
| 04:06.44 | A_Meteorite | heh |
| 04:06.54 | supertanker | Cable: noun: a thin wire which transmits information. Satalite: floaty box in the sky transmits information |
| 04:07.00 | JeffM2501 | I program machiens to save things for me |
| 04:07.06 | JeffM2501 | then watch them when ever I wish |
| 04:07.09 | A_Meteorite | and we live in apartments, would you beleive they want a $500 "deposit" to put a stand on our back porch? |
| 04:07.17 | A_Meteorite | for satellite |
| 04:07.17 | JeffM2501 | that is illegal |
| 04:07.35 | A_Meteorite | I figured, since that's not doing anything to their property |
| 04:07.37 | JeffM2501 | if it's your controlled area, they can not prevent you |
| 04:07.40 | supertanker | Would you beleive that we pay 500 a month for a 1100 sq foot house? |
| 04:07.47 | supertanker | that is illegal |
| 04:07.53 | A_Meteorite | supertanker: err... that's CHEAP! |
| 04:07.55 | lan56 | no that is a steal |
| 04:07.59 | JeffM2501 | supertanker, you must live by oildale |
| 04:08.19 | supertanker | We can't make full payments of 900 :( stupid divorce. At least our landlords are understanding :) |
| 04:08.20 | A_Meteorite | We pay almost $1,000 for 900 square feet |
| 04:08.21 | JeffM2501 | or just purchesed it a long time ago |
| 04:08.34 | supertanker | loser |
| 04:08.34 | supertanker | jk |
| 04:08.45 | A_Meteorite | heh, that's the best we can get here |
| 04:08.54 | A_Meteorite | my mom is on a couple programs that help pay the rent though :) |
| 04:09.01 | JeffM2501 | supertanker, prices are difrent in difrent places |
| 04:09.04 | supertanker | Actually we live up in the mountains, on 2.5 acres of property |
| 04:09.21 | JeffM2501 | ahhh, hicks :) |
| 04:10.09 | A_Meteorite | I wonder how BZ turned into TV/download speed/rent ;) |
| 04:10.19 | A_Meteorite | Oh noes! Killer hummingbirds! ;) |
| 04:11.29 | supertanker | And evil bears |
| 04:11.34 | supertanker | and blue pigs |
| 04:11.39 | supertanker | oh wait...nevermind |
| 04:11.44 | A_Meteorite | heh |
| 04:11.54 | supertanker | Okay, lets switch topics. I just got slauhterd by acouple of bots |
| 04:12.11 | A_Meteorite | yeah, those bots are gnarly, they can't jump but they sure dodge and shoot well |
| 04:12.19 | supertanker | Make them jump! |
| 04:12.32 | supertanker | Are you sure you have the -j option on ? |
| 04:12.36 | A_Meteorite | (if you keep going a certain direction, they know EXACTLY when to shoot so you run in their bullets) |
| 04:12.52 | A_Meteorite | Depends if it's auto-pilot or the solo kind |
| 04:12.54 | supertanker | if you suddenly change directions. they STILL know exactly where to shoot :( |
| 04:12.58 | A_Meteorite | heh |
| 04:13.36 | supertanker | and if you stand still, they STILL know where to shoot :( wierd huh? |
| 04:14.43 | supertanker | I don't understand it. I get shot faster if I don't move than if I do. What the heck is going on? :) |
| 04:15.41 | supertanker | oh BTW my freeware zone site is open for public editing |
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| 12:00.17 | gsnedders | ruskie: who does that nowadays? |
| 12:00.36 | ruskie | you mean besides us? |
| 12:01.27 | ruskie | not to mention my geno shots went bye bye due to some cheating... |
| 12:01.37 | ruskie | I shot and shot ended immediately |
| 12:01.48 | ruskie | but only with geno |
| 12:03.21 | ruskie | someone got kicked for endshod credit soon after that... |
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| 14:05.58 | Mr_Molez | brlcad: ping |
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| 14:44.22 | brlcad | Mr_Molez: pong |
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| 14:48.44 | Mr_Molez | brlcad: can you set up the thing jeff was talking about. so people can add funds to feature requests. So the person that codes a feature that is requested gets the money |
| 14:50.39 | CBG | :o |
| 14:51.02 | brlcad | what exactly do you mean? |
| 14:51.25 | brlcad | that is what do you mean by "set up the thing" |
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| 15:01.10 | brlcad | that can all be done already just by deciding on a single person to be held in trust of funds, reporting funds designated to feature requests, reporting on distributions, etc with relatively minimal overhead -- that does have some complications, but it is the easiest to put into place that could be done "today" |
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| 15:10.11 | brlcad | i'd rather like to see something like a non-profit that could hold, distribute, and manage funds in trust |
| 15:10.23 | brlcad | that's quite a bit more effort to set up, though |
| 15:18.24 | Mr_Molez | brlcad: we all trust u ! :) |
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| 15:22.45 | PuMpErNiCkLe | Yes... even I trust you to manage other people's money. :) |
| 15:23.43 | Mr_Molez | see , now get it done ;) |
| 15:23.58 | Mr_Molez | please :P |
| 16:14.13 | Mr_Molez | does anyone know if the match time -time can be set on the fly ? (in game) ? |
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| 16:56.50 | Mr_Molez | JeffM2501: brlcad is gona do the code a feature - get funds thing :P |
| 16:57.02 | JeffM2501 | huh? |
| 16:57.22 | JeffM2501 | yeah we've both said we'd put up money for features |
| 16:57.32 | Mr_Molez | you know. people add funds to what feature they want coding. and who ever codes it gets the money |
| 16:57.40 | JeffM2501 | the term is "bounty" |
| 16:57.48 | Mr_Molez | :) |
| 16:58.00 | JeffM2501 | I've had a bounty out on the image submision system for a while now |
| 16:58.04 | JeffM2501 | still got no system |
| 16:58.19 | Mr_Molez | well there needs to be a place so anyone can request a feature and anyone can add money.. I think the money should be seperate for each feature |
| 16:58.41 | Mr_Molez | cuz i wouldn't like to pay for something i care nothing about to be done |
| 16:59.18 | Mr_Molez | which is the way you were hoping to do it, right ? |
| 17:00.50 | pyr02k1 | mmm, paying people to code stuff i see... |
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| 17:01.14 | Mr_Molez | what's wrong with that ? |
| 17:02.00 | Mr_Molez | it will encourage coding and stuff. Also put higher priority on stuff people care about :P |
| 17:02.01 | pyr02k1 | nothing, never said there was. just stating it so i could ensure i was correct in the thought |
| 17:02.03 | JeffM2501 | sure |
| 17:02.12 | JeffM2501 | but that dosnt' mean that the feature will go into the mainline |
| 17:02.29 | JeffM2501 | pyr02k1, it's offering an incentive |
| 17:02.32 | JeffM2501 | for desired features |
| 17:02.51 | JeffM2501 | since there arn't exactly a lot of people willing to put time into it |
| 17:03.12 | pyr02k1 | no no, i understand that, and even agree with it. this way it doesnt put the stress of the "magical bullet" someone wants on you, someone else can take the cash and do it |
| 17:03.18 | pyr02k1 | unless you want the cash, in which case... |
| 17:03.46 | JeffM2501 | well if it's done as a site there needs to be very fixed rules about who gets the bounty and when |
| 17:03.46 | pyr02k1 | i'd help, but i dont remember even the slightest bit of anything but php. the c is gone |
| 17:04.13 | JeffM2501 | 2 people may submit solutions, one sooner then the other, but the faster one may suck |
| 17:04.16 | Tupone | JeffM2501: I think ibot messaging does not work always, well, at least I did not get your message. I read the log, though, and I'm sorry you were annoyed by my complains. I'd try to not make them anymore |
| 17:04.20 | blast007 | pyr02k1: some of the bzflag stuff is PHP |
| 17:04.27 | blast007 | all the web stuff |
| 17:04.33 | JeffM2501 | Tupone, I know you didn't mean bad things |
| 17:04.43 | JeffM2501 | just some times things come off wrong as text |
| 17:04.47 | Mr_Molez | how about a coder agrees to code the feature ? and no 1 else can agree to code once another person has agreed ? |
| 17:04.56 | JeffM2501 | Tupone, and why arn't you in hungaray? ;) |
| 17:05.04 | Tupone | tomorrow morning |
| 17:05.07 | pyr02k1 | but what if he fails to code it molez? |
| 17:05.14 | JeffM2501 | Mr_Molez, what prevents somone from just siting on it and it never geting done |
| 17:05.20 | Mr_Molez | then the coding opportunity is reopened to everyone |
| 17:05.23 | JeffM2501 | the point of the bounty is to gat it done fast |
| 17:05.35 | JeffM2501 | or what if that person does a poor job, and somone else could do better? |
| 17:05.40 | pyr02k1 | time limits would need to be applied, but then what if it is only a week and takes him 1 week and 1 day and someone else already took the coding job |
| 17:06.01 | Mr_Molez | well there should be strict rules in what is expected of the code |
| 17:06.01 | JeffM2501 | it's a thin hard line to walk |
| 17:06.05 | orange | there's not already a web-based service to run this kind of thing? |
| 17:06.07 | JeffM2501 | yes there should be |
| 17:06.10 | orange | I'd think these rules have been thought out |
| 17:06.25 | JeffM2501 | there are sites that have programers sign up for odd jobs |
| 17:06.32 | orange | they might take a small cut |
| 17:06.33 | JeffM2501 | basicly it's paymnet on acceptance |
| 17:06.35 | orange | but it'd probably be worth it |
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| 17:06.41 | pyr02k1 | if you do it. make sure the coder and the person with the cash agree to it together, then the coder has the time agreed upon |
| 17:06.53 | JeffM2501 | yeah |
| 17:07.00 | pyr02k1 | so if he misses it by a day, it is his problem |
| 17:07.07 | Mr_Molez | yep :P |
| 17:07.17 | JeffM2501 | Mr_Molez, are you saying brlcad is going to set up a site? or just the fact that we are offering cash for the image system? |
| 17:07.30 | JeffM2501 | I put forth a spec for the image sysem |
| 17:07.32 | Mr_Molez | JeffM2501: well we need some 1 trustworthy |
| 17:07.39 | Mr_Molez | i think brlcad is the perfect person |
| 17:07.46 | JeffM2501 | to do what? |
| 17:07.54 | Mr_Molez | manage the money and distribute it |
| 17:08.08 | JeffM2501 | so realy your just pusing your ideas onto the stuff we were speaking about yesterfay |
| 17:08.23 | Mr_Molez | i didn't see you talking about it yesterday |
| 17:08.25 | Mr_Molez | but whatever, sure |
| 17:08.32 | JeffM2501 | Mr_Molez, that is a bad idea, what if what brlcad things is OK, is not what the pwerson fronting the money things |
| 17:08.58 | Mr_Molez | well someone will need to do it |
| 17:09.00 | pyr02k1 | could take the money from paypal for example into an account for this when the jobs put up, then upon completion, if the person agrees to the code, the money goes to the coder |
| 17:09.01 | orange | are you saying brlcad agreed to act as third-party arbitrator/escrow service? |
| 17:09.19 | pyr02k1 | if he doesnt, we hold the money, check the code and ask why he doesnt like it |
| 17:09.25 | orange | pyr02k1: yes, escrow |
| 17:09.28 | JeffM2501 | Mr_Molez, yeah what exactly are you trying to say? |
| 17:09.51 | Mr_Molez | JeffM2501: well is there any way to make it automatic ? |
| 17:09.53 | pyr02k1 | meh, i lost my train of thought |
| 17:10.06 | Mr_Molez | I dont really care who manages the money aslong as a system is made soon :D |
| 17:10.21 | JeffM2501 | what were you saying about brlcad when I signed on? |
| 17:10.29 | pyr02k1 | tis why i said paypal, i used php to control paypal stuff without touching the paypal site |
| 17:10.35 | JeffM2501 | has he agreed to do anything other then the stuff from weeks ago? |
| 17:10.39 | pyr02k1 | it did, i didnt |
| 17:10.57 | pyr02k1 | off to work for me, emerge world and system will take a while |
| 17:10.58 | pyr02k1 | adios |
| 17:13.15 | Mr_Molez | hmm |
| 17:13.50 | JeffM2501 | I love how you keep skiping over answering my questions ;) |
| 17:14.07 | Mr_Molez | cuz all you do is argue |
| 17:14.15 | JeffM2501 | nope |
| 17:14.28 | JeffM2501 | if your idea can't be defended then it dosn't have much merrit |
| 17:14.38 | JeffM2501 | and when you make a statement I want to know what you are saying |
| 17:14.39 | Mr_Molez | well its your idea actually |
| 17:14.59 | JeffM2501 | all I wanted to know was what you meant by your statement |
| 17:15.05 | JeffM2501 | and if it is anything new |
| 17:15.08 | JeffM2501 | that I am unware of |
| 17:15.14 | Mr_Molez | I was just saying brlcad is trusted. why doesn't he do it ? |
| 17:15.16 | JeffM2501 | I'm just looking for clerification |
| 17:15.29 | JeffM2501 | you said "JeffM2501: brlcad is gona do the code a feature - get funds thing :P" |
| 17:15.36 | JeffM2501 | that indicates he is doing something |
| 17:15.42 | JeffM2501 | not that you just trust him |
| 17:16.22 | Mr_Molez | well the maner in which he was speaking earlier made me believe he would be willing |
| 17:16.33 | JeffM2501 | he is willing |
| 17:16.35 | JeffM2501 | same as I |
| 17:16.43 | JeffM2501 | so nothing new has changed |
| 17:16.53 | Mr_Molez | well get it done then ;) |
| 17:16.55 | JeffM2501 | I'm offering 25$ for image submision, and he is matching it |
| 17:17.01 | JeffM2501 | somone has to write the damned thing |
| 17:17.08 | JeffM2501 | then they get there money |
| 17:17.09 | Mr_Molez | image submission ? |
| 17:17.11 | purple_cow | image submission? |
| 17:17.12 | JeffM2501 | yes |
| 17:17.36 | JeffM2501 | an automated way to have users upload images, get admin aproval and move them to images. bzflag.org |
| 17:17.39 | JeffM2501 | for hosting |
| 17:17.50 | JeffM2501 | right now it's a big fourm thread |
| 17:17.52 | JeffM2501 | and a pain |
| 17:18.01 | JeffM2501 | the more we automate it the better it will be |
| 17:18.15 | Mr_Molez | no, thats not what i was talking about |
| 17:18.27 | Mr_Molez | There should be a way anyone can easily offer money for features |
| 17:18.37 | JeffM2501 | sure |
| 17:18.39 | JeffM2501 | then make it |
| 17:18.46 | JeffM2501 | I'm just trying to see if the concept even works |
| 17:18.50 | JeffM2501 | this is a test run |
| 17:18.59 | JeffM2501 | 3 people have expressed intreest |
| 17:19.06 | Mr_Molez | ok, but does anyone even know there is a bounty for that ? |
| 17:19.14 | JeffM2501 | if it works out well maybe we'll look more into oficial pages and systems and stuff |
| 17:19.22 | JeffM2501 | as a small test, it was done here |
| 17:20.34 | JeffM2501 | if it dosn't seem like progerss is made, I'll put something on the froums |
| 17:20.44 | JeffM2501 | after that... don't know how much more work to put into it |
| 17:21.04 | JeffM2501 | think baby steps Mr_Molez |
| 17:21.13 | JeffM2501 | when dealing with money it pays to be cautious |
| 17:21.33 | Mr_Molez | ok a test is cool :) |
| 17:27.08 | Mr_Molez | JeffM2501: do you know how to get 2 red flags and 2 green flags ? and allow for 2 red and 2 green bases ? |
| 17:27.24 | brad | +f g*{1} |
| 17:27.30 | brad | just add bases as normal |
| 17:27.33 | Mr_Molez | ah |
| 17:27.35 | Mr_Molez | thnx |
| 17:27.57 | brad | don't know what bases the flags spawn on though |
| 17:28.06 | brad | not sure whether you can specify that |
| 17:28.12 | Mr_Molez | ill test it |
| 17:28.15 | brad | k |
| 17:29.49 | Tropican8 | Jeff have you played Lamer and I's new gamemode yet? |
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| 17:38.12 | purple_cow | "I's"? Who taught you English? |
| 17:40.19 | JeffM2501 | Tropican8, play? |
| 17:40.25 | JeffM2501 | what is this term "play"? |
| 17:40.55 | JeffM2501 | I played UT 2004 last night |
| 17:40.57 | JeffM2501 | that was fun |
| 17:41.00 | JeffM2501 | and some DDO |
| 17:54.56 | Tropican8 | The term 'play'? |
| 17:54.59 | Tropican8 | lol |
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| 17:56.28 | JeffM2501 | are you speaking of your bacon mod? |
| 17:56.40 | JeffM2501 | or one flag CTF as I like to call it :) |
| 17:56.47 | Tropican8 | purple_cow: "I's" -- It is better than 'lol' 'np' 'sry''pwn' |
| 17:57.03 | Tropican8 | no We developed the whole thing yesterday |
| 17:57.12 | purple_cow | i like bacon |
| 17:58.31 | Tropican8 | I'm making a post and putting it up today, all very alpha stuff. This blows bacon away IMO, but maybe that's because this one was partially my idea |
| 17:58.51 | JeffM2501 | what is it? |
| 17:59.04 | Tropican8 | Ok well I had this idea for Rabbit |
| 17:59.14 | Tropican8 | When a rabbit shoots you, you also become a rabbit |
| 17:59.27 | JeffM2501 | infectious rabbit? |
| 17:59.31 | Tropican8 | until there is 1 guy left, he wins, is rabbit next round, everything resets |
| 17:59.33 | Tropican8 | yes |
| 17:59.46 | JeffM2501 | so what is the point of the mode? |
| 17:59.51 | Tropican8 | Since the API doesn't do rabbits yet, we are using zoned and unzoned tanks |
| 17:59.53 | JeffM2501 | to be the rabbit or to NOT be the rabbit? |
| 18:00.03 | Tropican8 | To not be a rabbit |
| 18:00.16 | JeffM2501 | do you become rabbit if you shoot the rabbit? |
| 18:00.27 | Tropican8 | it works the other way around |
| 18:00.36 | JeffM2501 | ahh |
| 18:00.40 | Tropican8 | If the rabbit hits you, you are also rabbit |
| 18:00.42 | JeffM2501 | so the objective is to run and hide |
| 18:00.45 | Tropican8 | yes |
| 18:00.57 | JeffM2501 | wings would be god in that mode |
| 18:01.01 | Tropican8 | Until you are shot, then you search and destroy |
| 18:01.11 | purple_cow | wings are god in any mode :P |
| 18:01.13 | JeffM2501 | seems rather complex |
| 18:01.56 | Tropican8 | not really |
| 18:02.06 | Tropican8 | But well beyond the api for real rabbits |
| 18:02.33 | Tropican8 | With PZ (how it is right now) all items have to be shootthrough and drivethrough |
| 18:02.57 | Tropican8 | so the real players have no advantage against the zoned (rabbit) ones |
| 18:03.06 | Tropican8 | So only maze maps work right now |
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| 18:21.08 | bryjen | he's got the sides implemented backwards for that. |
| 18:22.19 | bryjen | the hunters should be doing the hunting, turning a goup of "rabbits" into more hunters, until the last rabbit is the winner |
| 18:22.31 | bryjen | s/goup/group/ |
| 18:25.51 | purple_cow | pork, of course |
| 18:26.13 | purple_cow | piggies taste yummy in my mouth |
| 18:26.22 | JeffM2501 | bacon is a vegatable |
| 18:27.52 | bryjen | oh yes. "JeffM2501: play bzflag?" and "purple_cow: play bzflag other than decks?" |
| 18:28.02 | JeffM2501 | exactly |
| 18:29.03 | JeffM2501 | I still think bz needs a good CTC mode |
| 18:29.49 | bryjen | more white meat :) |
| 18:30.44 | JeffM2501 | UT2k4 had an interseting "mutant hunt" mode |
| 18:30.51 | JeffM2501 | first to kill was the mutant |
| 18:30.56 | JeffM2501 | they got all weapons and speed |
| 18:31.05 | JeffM2501 | all other players could not hurt themselves |
| 18:31.14 | JeffM2501 | or each other |
| 18:31.21 | JeffM2501 | and were shown where the mutant was on screen |
| 18:31.36 | JeffM2501 | then the person with the lowest score was the "bottom feeder" |
| 18:31.47 | JeffM2501 | they coudl kill other players to get on top |
| 18:32.01 | JeffM2501 | was interesting |
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| 18:32.43 | JeffM2501 | and now lunch time :) |
| 18:33.22 | Alex135 | JeffM2501, can you post a link to my bzflag forums on the links page (http://www.bzflag.org/wiki/OtherLinks) |
| 18:34.28 | Alex135 | my forum: http://s14.invisionfree.com/Alex_Universe/index.php? |
| 18:36.20 | Alex135 | i g2g, ill be back in less then 1 hour... :) i gota get home from school... perhaps you will be done with Lunch then :) |
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| 19:25.37 | Alex135 | JeffM2501, do you think you can add my Forum (http://s14.invisionfree.com/Alex_Universe/index.php?) to the bzflag links page(s) |
| 19:26.28 | Alex135 | its a bzflag forum / other things to |
| 19:27.37 | blast007 | Alex135: it's a wiki, add it if you want |
| 19:27.49 | blast007 | register on the wiki so you can change stuff |
| 19:27.59 | Alex135 | ... oh lol i didn't notice, shows how smart i am, thx :) |
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| 19:48.12 | SpazzyMcGee | hi all, there is a test game of the zombie tag plugin starting now at acidbox.zapto.org:4317, if anybody is looking for some crazy fun |
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| 20:05.45 | ruskie | zombie tag? |
| 20:06.01 | L4m3r | What about it? |
| 20:06.12 | ruskie | what is it... |
| 20:06.40 | L4m3r | heh |
| 20:06.48 | L4m3r | it's sorta like rabbit hunt. |
| 20:06.55 | L4m3r | everyone is rogue |
| 20:07.04 | L4m3r | one person starts zoned |
| 20:07.20 | L4m3r | zoned can kill non-zoned and vice versa |
| 20:07.38 | Gnurdux | its awesome |
| 20:07.42 | L4m3r | whenever the zoned person kills an unzoned tank, that tank spawns zoned also |
| 20:07.46 | Gnurdux | and when you are killed you get zoned |
| 20:07.49 | Gnurdux | ya |
| 20:07.54 | L4m3r | it continues until everyone but one is zoned |
| 20:08.00 | ruskie | sounds fun |
| 20:08.06 | Gnurdux | you know what it is? |
| 20:08.07 | L4m3r | the "last one standing" wins the round and starts zoned in the next one |
| 20:08.14 | Gnurdux | its ghosts in the graveyard!! |
| 20:08.18 | L4m3r | heh |
| 20:08.20 | Gnurdux | the stupid kiddie game |
| 20:08.24 | Gnurdux | but phantom == ghost |
| 20:08.45 | L4m3r | tropican8 actually looked it up on wikipedia, it's called "zombie tag" or "matrix tag" |
| 20:08.57 | Gnurdux | i have an idea |
| 20:09.22 | Gnurdux | unzoned shouldnt be able to kill anyone |
| 20:09.35 | Gnurdux | ie their shots should do nothing |
| 20:09.55 | L4m3r | nah, then it'd get boring and the zoned people wouldn't have to work for it |
| 20:10.15 | ruskie | not really :) |
| 20:10.23 | ruskie | add some super bullet flags:) |
| 20:10.24 | L4m3r | no radar and a high spawn point is enough of an advantage for the zoned people |
| 20:10.43 | ruskie | no radar is an advantage??? |
| 20:11.08 | SpazzyMcGee | that plugin is aweome, l4. brilliant work |
| 20:11.23 | L4m3r | :) thanks |
| 20:11.24 | SpazzyMcGee | theres about 10 ppl there now |
| 20:11.28 | L4m3r | cool |
| 20:11.45 | SpazzyMcGee | tropican is trying to teach the n00bs how to play ;) |
| 20:11.51 | Gnurdux | i guess its fair that they can be killed |
| 20:12.00 | ruskie | to bad your server is a bit to far for me... |
| 20:12.08 | SpazzyMcGee | but i g2g, bye all |
| 20:12.11 | L4m3r | cya |
| 20:12.15 | Gnurdux | Zombie gammemode L4m3r ? |
| 20:12.39 | Gnurdux | why did i start in the box? |
| 20:12.44 | L4m3r | hopefully it can get into mainline as a rabbit derivative. |
| 20:13.08 | Gnurdux | you mean not a plugin? |
| 20:13.11 | Mr_Molez | Gnurdux: u wanna code something cool that everyone will love and praise you for and give u loads of attention ? |
| 20:13.18 | Gnurdux | Mr_Molez, depends what |
| 20:13.30 | Mr_Molez | server side bots for 2.0.7 ;) |
| 20:13.42 | Gnurdux | hahah L4m3r i just pause-dropped PZ |
| 20:13.50 | L4m3r | wtf |
| 20:13.58 | L4m3r | it shouldn't let you pause when zoned |
| 20:14.04 | Gnurdux | wait |
| 20:14.08 | Gnurdux | then i nr-dropped it |
| 20:14.12 | L4m3r | lol |
| 20:14.12 | Gnurdux | i minimized |
| 20:14.24 | Gnurdux | but it autodrops during NR too it seems |
| 20:14.39 | Gnurdux | why do I star tzoned? |
| 20:14.52 | ruskie | probaly cause you're it :) |
| 20:14.52 | Gnurdux | also: it says " wins" |
| 20:14.59 | L4m3r | :\ |
| 20:15.08 | L4m3r | I'll be there in a few |
| 20:17.01 | Gnurdux | Mr_Molez, those wont work |
| 20:17.04 | Gnurdux | they are impossible Mahdi |
| 20:17.07 | Gnurdux | Mr_Molez, |
| 20:17.18 | Gnurdux | 2.0.7 API doesnt support em |
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| 20:17.39 | L4m3r | While you're at it, Gnu, go sweep the beach for me |
| 20:17.43 | brad | Gnurdux: how about a seperate thing like bzadmin? |
| 20:17.48 | Gnurdux | hmmm |
| 20:17.53 | Gnurdux | that would be cool |
| 20:17.58 | Gnurdux | i could play around with that |
| 20:18.00 | brad | indeed it would |
| 20:18.02 | Gnurdux | try to hack -solo bots |
| 20:18.08 | brad | :) |
| 20:18.10 | Gnurdux | or would you rather have autopilot bots? |
| 20:18.35 | Gnurdux | brad, what do you like better, solo or autopilot |
| 20:18.55 | brad | hmm |
| 20:19.00 | brad | autopilots are better |
| 20:19.09 | brad | can you have more than one with one client? |
| 20:19.22 | Gnurdux | not in normal bzflag |
| 20:19.22 | CBG | This channel is constantly lighting up because someone has posted. I figured Gnurdux _must_ be here. :P |
| 20:19.30 | brad | I mean in a seperate thing |
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| 20:20.00 | Gnurdux | of course you CAN |
| 20:20.06 | Gnurdux | i dunno how EASILY |
| 20:20.13 | brad | :) |
| 20:21.50 | sussi | sometimes on the new 2.07 , if it indicate the fps and the time , sometimes it shows a 3. number. What do it mean? |
| 20:22.16 | blast007 | probably triangle count |
| 20:22.44 | blast007 | probably labled 'tris' |
| 20:22.54 | sussi | yep |
| 20:23.29 | Gnurdux | solo bots might be easier |
| 20:23.55 | Gnurdux | brad, how about solo bots that dont need a client? |
| 20:24.09 | brad | Gnurdux: that's the kind of thing that would be great |
| 20:25.18 | blast007 | Gnurdux: though if server-side bots make headway in 2.1, -solo bots will be useless |
| 20:25.30 | Gnurdux | yes, this is just for until then |
| 20:25.48 | blast007 | and I don't like bot's on servers anyway :) |
| 20:25.53 | Gnurdux | brad, do I get a free shell account on a 100mbps server if i do? |
| 20:26.02 | brad | lol |
| 20:26.12 | blast007 | you get a pat on the back |
| 20:26.23 | brad | nah you can have that too :P |
| 20:26.37 | blast007 | ;) |
| 20:28.15 | Gnurdux | Mr_Molez, does the cleanness of the code matter? |
| 20:28.52 | Gnurdux | you know, it might not be so easy even to just rip the GUI off of bzflag |
| 20:29.00 | Gnurdux | ill think about it |
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| 20:29.31 | Gnurdux | Mr_Molez, any other ideas, that arent as difficult? |
| 20:32.49 | Gnurdux | brad: if i was going to try to make something like the python plugi n with another language, what would you suggest? |
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| 20:59.48 | JeffM2501 | aww no cvs :( |
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| 21:32.16 | Aribeth | no cvs? |
| 21:32.27 | JeffM2501 | nope |
| 21:32.37 | Aribeth | down, broked? |
| 21:32.46 | JeffM2501 | down I would guess |
| 21:33.09 | Aribeth | that no good |
| 21:33.19 | JeffM2501 | it's SF |
| 21:33.22 | JeffM2501 | it happens |
| 21:33.25 | Aribeth | yep |
| 21:33.36 | brad | yes |
| 21:33.39 | brad | ops |
| 21:33.45 | JeffM2501 | no |
| 21:34.12 | Aribeth | SF is always slow or broked |
| 21:34.20 | JeffM2501 | not always |
| 21:35.11 | Aribeth | well, i started my AQ quest last night |
| 21:35.26 | JeffM2501 | cool |
| 21:35.31 | JeffM2501 | it's good stuff |
| 21:35.38 | Aribeth | went from level 17 to 21 in i day |
| 21:35.46 | Aribeth | 1 |
| 21:36.16 | Aribeth | i got in a group for a while and one guy mentored me |
| 21:36.34 | JeffM2501 | makes it go much faster |
| 21:36.37 | Aribeth | ya |
| 21:37.09 | Aribeth | we went into stormhold, but i died when we got ambushed by segeral heroics |
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| 21:37.22 | Aribeth | several* |
| 21:38.10 | CBG | Sounds like fun, what is "AQ" exactly? |
| 21:38.17 | JeffM2501 | Armor Quest |
| 21:38.19 | Aribeth | armor class quest |
| 21:39.11 | Aribeth | heroics are strong |
| 21:43.50 | JeffM2501 | that they are |
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| 21:54.55 | Gnurdux | hi A_Meteorite |
| 21:55.09 | A_Meteorite | hello |
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| 22:27.59 | Mr_Molez | Gnurdux: no u goda do that |
| 22:28.13 | Mr_Molez | if u do it, everyone will love you and want to talk to you and they will concider you their bestest friend ever ! |
| 22:28.21 | Mr_Molez | and no. code can be as bad as jeff's i dont mind :P |
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| 22:53.53 | Gnurdux | Mr_Molez, Jeff's worst code is gold compared to my best code. |
| 22:54.01 | Gnurdux | and i would be writing my worst code |
| 22:54.16 | Gnurdux | and i probably wont do it: too much work |
| 22:55.04 | Mr_Molez | aww |
| 22:55.42 | Gnurdux | why dont YOU do it? |
| 22:55.57 | Gnurdux | i dont use bots much |
| 22:56.05 | Mr_Molez | i dont do things myself, i moan and moan at other people till they do it |
| 22:56.19 | Gnurdux | waht about those awesome cheats? |
| 22:56.28 | Gnurdux | those were msotly 1-line fixes tho |
| 22:56.28 | Mr_Molez | didn't do them either |
| 22:56.35 | Gnurdux | you didnt? you lied to me! |
| 22:56.48 | Mr_Molez | nope u just assumed |
| 22:57.06 | Gnurdux | oh |
| 22:57.24 | Gnurdux | who made em> |
| 22:57.32 | Mr_Molez | cant say its like secret and stuff |
| 22:57.42 | CBG | the $1,000,000 question. |
| 22:57.46 | Gnurdux | hehehe |
| 22:58.29 | Gnurdux | The 1,000,000 Question: Where did Molez get his cheats? |
| 22:58.29 | Gnurdux | Mr_Molez, do you know C++? |
| 22:58.29 | Mr_Molez | that much ! ? nah i will tell u for £1000 |
| 22:58.29 | CBG | http://business.newsforge.com/newsvac/06/05/06/0657228.shtml for Mr_Molez and myself? |
| 22:58.29 | Gnurdux | lol |
| 22:58.29 | Mr_Molez | Gnurdux: nope |
| 22:58.32 | Mr_Molez | know a little vb thats about all |
| 22:58.51 | Mr_Molez | heehehh CBG |
| 22:59.39 | CBG | :) |
| 22:59.40 | Gnurdux | that sounds lame |
| 22:59.51 | CBG | sounds sweet to me |
| 22:59.53 | Gnurdux | learn C++, it aint to hard if you learn it badly like I did |
| 23:00.09 | CBG | I looked at bzlist.php today, could not see, for the live of me, anyway to reorder the servers. |
| 23:00.21 | Mr_Molez | u kidding ? vb was hard enough, how i passes the exam for that i will never know |
| 23:00.33 | Mr_Molez | live ? life ? |
| 23:00.46 | CBG | life* |
| 23:00.54 | Mr_Molez | list order is done by the client aint it |
| 23:00.56 | CBG | bah, that is twice I made that mistake today |
| 23:01.02 | CBG | but I never made it before today. :| |
| 23:01.33 | Mr_Molez | Gnurdux: any good websites to learn ? |
| 23:01.45 | Gnurdux | google C++ tutorial |
| 23:01.52 | Mr_Molez | i have nothing better to do with my time i may aswell |
| 23:02.02 | Gnurdux | it gets the C++ tutorial on C++ online, which looks decent enoughn to me |
| 23:02.10 | Gnurdux | i learned from a book, C++ for Dummies, which sucked |
| 23:02.19 | Gnurdux | it was just a bad book |
| 23:05.56 | Saturos | I own that book. |
| 23:06.01 | Saturos | And yes, it sucks. |
| 23:06.09 | CBG | hehe |
| 23:06.18 | Gnurdux | i "generously" gave mine away muhahahahaha |
| 23:06.27 | Mr_Molez | CBG: ill race u, who can learn c++ and make the sexiest program first :) |
| 23:06.30 | Gnurdux | i learned from that book like 3 years ago |
| 23:06.59 | Gnurdux | i can help you |
| 23:07.02 | CBG | Mr_Molez: you win. |
| 23:07.12 | Mr_Molez | CBG: im dumb , you will win |
| 23:07.14 | CBG | I quit already, :P |
| 23:07.18 | Mr_Molez | aww |
| 23:07.26 | Gnurdux | come on |
| 23:07.46 | CBG | Maybe this summer |
| 23:07.54 | CBG | I finish exams in a month, so... maybe. |
| 23:07.56 | Mr_Molez | CBG: when do you exams finish ? |
| 23:07.59 | Mr_Molez | ahh |
| 23:08.00 | Mr_Molez | cool |
| 23:08.08 | CBG | Mind you, this is what I said about PHP 3 years ago. |
| 23:08.12 | Gnurdux | summer is fine |
| 23:08.16 | CBG | ... that never happened. :P |
| 23:08.21 | Mr_Molez | hope u do well in your exams :) |
| 23:08.38 | CBG | oh, wow - I need one of these: http://www.flyingbeds.com/14.Euro_BunkBed/Euro-ComputerBed.htm |
| 23:08.42 | CBG | Mr_Molez: thanks :) |
| 23:09.04 | Mr_Molez | computer be dlol |
| 23:09.06 | CBG | Business should be a doddle, Physics if I learn the equations, and ICT is just a load of c**p anyway. |
| 23:09.33 | CBG | Maths I am worried about. And that is the first (in a fortnight today errr... yesterday). |
| 23:09.42 | Mr_Molez | i actually failed ict lol |
| 23:10.15 | Gnurdux | whats ICT? |
| 23:10.42 | Mr_Molez | i didn't do any courcework which was like most of the marks |
| 23:10.51 | CBG | Information, communication technology: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Information_technology |
| 23:10.52 | Gnurdux | sounds like me |
| 23:10.57 | CBG | Mr_Molez: lol :P |
| 23:10.57 | Mr_Molez | ict = information computing techonology or something |
| 23:11.07 | Gnurdux | why the hell are you 2 taking such a foolish class> |
| 23:11.20 | CBG | what else should I take? |
| 23:11.31 | Mr_Molez | Gnurdux: its apart of the curriculum we have no choice |
| 23:11.36 | Gnurdux | umm if i had a free space, id take an extra language |
| 23:11.39 | Gnurdux | prolly latin |
| 23:11.45 | CBG | wtf? |
| 23:11.47 | Mr_Molez | have /had |
| 23:11.48 | Gnurdux | or a REAL computer class |
| 23:11.51 | CBG | Latin is a dead language. loool |
| 23:12.01 | CBG | and I hate languages in general. |
| 23:12.09 | Mr_Molez | learn welsh ! |
| 23:12.09 | Gnurdux | dead languages are the best |
| 23:12.11 | CBG | and ICT is the ONLY computer type course |
| 23:12.14 | Gnurdux | oooh welsh is awesome |
| 23:12.23 | CBG | dead languages are dead... a.k.a useless. |
| 23:12.25 | JeffM2501 | perhaps #bzchat for your school discussions kids |
| 23:12.44 | JeffM2501 | since it is.. you know.. chat |
| 23:12.48 | CBG | perhaps? |
| 23:12.49 | Mr_Molez | lol i was waiting for jeff to say something like that |
| 23:12.57 | CBG | :) |
| 23:13.04 | JeffM2501 | ok, where peraps means, 'move" |
| 23:13.08 | Mr_Molez | ok so lets sum up |
| 23:13.11 | CBG | done and done |
| 23:13.12 | Mr_Molez | Gnurdux: is gona code server side bots |
| 23:13.16 | Gnurdux | no, he isnt |
| 23:13.17 | Mr_Molez | and like everyone is gona be happy |
| 23:13.22 | Gnurdux | they are already coded Mr_Molez |
| 23:13.26 | JeffM2501 | no they arn't |
| 23:13.27 | Gnurdux | in case you didnt know |
| 23:13.38 | Mr_Molez | nuhuh |
| 23:13.38 | JeffM2501 | in case you didn't know Gnurdux |
| 23:13.42 | Gnurdux | the hooks are |
| 23:13.44 | JeffM2501 | no |
| 23:13.47 | JeffM2501 | no they are not |
| 23:13.50 | JeffM2501 | they are STARTED |
| 23:13.52 | Gnurdux | oh |
| 23:13.57 | JeffM2501 | that does not mean anywhere near finished |
| 23:14.08 | JeffM2501 | get real info before you open your mouth |
| 23:14.14 | PuMpErNiCkLe | :O |
| 23:14.15 | Gnurdux | well Mr_Molez it takes people like Mr_Molez who actually code for a living to do that sort of stuff |
| 23:14.15 | Mr_Molez | yeh |
| 23:14.19 | JeffM2501 | don't fill in facts from your imagination |
| 23:14.38 | JeffM2501 | Mr_Molez, your a programer? |
| 23:14.39 | JeffM2501 | wow |
| 23:14.41 | JeffM2501 | I never knew |
| 23:14.44 | Mr_Molez | first i knew :D |
| 23:14.50 | Gnurdux | whoops |
| 23:14.52 | Gnurdux | i meant JeffM2501 |
| 23:14.57 | JeffM2501 | he rejects our reality, and replaces it with his own |
| 23:15.19 | Gnurdux | i guess im as bad a typist as JeffM2501 |
| 23:15.21 | JeffM2501 | Gnurdux, the more you spout out about the "way it is" the more you look like a fool |
| 23:15.30 | JeffM2501 | get your facts right before you say stuff. ok |
| 23:17.16 | Mr_Molez | CBG: come to #lintux |
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| 23:36.05 | Gnurdux | CBG, stop that |
| 23:36.45 | JeffM2501 | he's not doing anything |
| 23:36.50 | Gnurdux | yes, hi is |
| 23:36.52 | Gnurdux | he is |
| 23:36.59 | JeffM2501 | not here |
| 23:37.14 | Gnurdux | hes invite flooding me |
| 23:37.22 | JeffM2501 | then use a /msg to tell hiom |
| 23:37.25 | Gnurdux | i did |
| 23:37.26 | JeffM2501 | not in this channel |
| 23:37.42 | Mr_Molez | yes, stop flooding the channel with useless crap |
| 23:37.46 | JeffM2501 | your private war with him is not our problem |
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| 23:50.24 | brad | just wondering, is there any reason why "profont" isn't the default font? |
| 23:50.40 | brad | it's much better than the current one |
| 23:51.13 | JeffM2501 | because it's an opinion |
| 23:51.18 | JeffM2501 | others like the default font |
| 23:51.25 | brad | oh |
| 23:51.35 | brad | I'm surprised but ok :) |
| 23:52.04 | JeffM2501 | we realy should put a gui in to let users change it |
| 23:52.23 | CBG | ... :) |
| 23:52.36 | brad | yeah someone mentioned that earlier |
| 23:54.32 | JeffM2501 | many things "should" be done |
| 23:54.43 | brad | hehe yeah I know |
| 23:54.53 | JeffM2501 | like why do the tanks still look like 1992 ass? |
| 23:54.55 | Mr_Molez | yeh many things especially bots that work with bzadmin |
| 23:55.37 | JeffM2501 | I don't thik bots are a widely used feature |
| 23:55.41 | JeffM2501 | not in public games |
| 23:55.43 | Mr_Molez | i read there was a fork of bzflag to use a new graphics system, what happened to that ? can its work be brought into maintream bzflag ? |
| 23:55.43 | JeffM2501 | that use bzadmin |
| 23:55.58 | JeffM2501 | Mr_Molez, who was doing it? |
| 23:56.07 | JeffM2501 | and it's not the graphics system that makes it look bad |
| 23:56.08 | JeffM2501 | it's the art |
| 23:56.14 | Mr_Molez | im not sure. I read it was started but soon stopped |
| 23:56.26 | JeffM2501 | wonder where you read it |
| 23:56.32 | Mr_Molez | ill see if i can find it again |
| 23:56.53 | Mr_Molez | ah found it |
| 23:56.59 | Mr_Molez | http://games.slashdot.org/article.pl?sid=04/12/11/1831201 |
| 23:57.23 | Mr_Molez | OGRE |
| 23:57.49 | Mr_Molez | There was an attempt [bakadigital.com] to fork Bzflag and use an updated graphics engine called OGRE but it turns out that the bzflag code isn't very modular so it has stalled. |
| 23:57.58 | JeffM2501 | heh |
| 23:58.04 | JeffM2501 | ohh if you only knew |
| 23:58.07 | JeffM2501 | it wasn't realy a fork |
| 23:58.38 | JeffM2501 | wonder who "krackhouse" is |
| 23:58.44 | JeffM2501 | and where they get there info |
| 23:59.11 | JeffM2501 | I was experimenting with ogre and did a bzflag style world in it as a test, that is all |
| 23:59.20 | Mr_Molez | did it work out ? |
| 23:59.27 | JeffM2501 | ogre is very cool |
| 23:59.36 | Mr_Molez | do you have any pictures of what you did ? |
| 23:59.42 | JeffM2501 | but it's not a drop in replacement for what bzflag has |
| 23:59.47 | JeffM2501 | it looked the same as a bzflag world |
| 23:59.49 | JeffM2501 | same source art |
| 23:59.52 | Mr_Molez | ah ok |