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| 00:00.59 | supertanker | didn't work, i'll have to check later...Fedora still confuses the heck out of me. |
| 00:02.27 | blast007 | put alsa (lowercase) in the box, hit enter, and restart the client..see if that works |
| 00:02.58 | supertanker | ah, I thought it was uppercase...brb |
| 00:03.12 | blast007 | it's also a good idea to ... stick around the channel ... |
| 00:03.48 | blast007 | was gonna tell him to run it in a terminal with a could -d's :) |
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| 00:06.27 | supertanker | Ah, typing in "alsa" instead of "ALSA" worked nicely...thanks. Before it was running something called "arts" or something similar... |
| 00:06.43 | blast007 | cool |
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| 00:10.31 | supertanker | does BZFlag work well with Kubuntu linux? |
| 00:12.19 | Gnurdux | hi wegstar |
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| 00:12.32 | Gnurdux | supertanker, it works the same amount on Kubuntu as in any other distro |
| 00:13.03 | wegstar | hello.. |
| 00:13.52 | supertanker | ah okay, good, because I'm downloading it now. I hope there's a Kubuntu driver for my vidcard... |
| 00:14.13 | supertanker | it only takes, what, a week to download a CD on dialup? |
| 00:15.32 | Gnurdux | supertanker, its not a kubuntu driver |
| 00:15.36 | Gnurdux | and no, not a week |
| 00:16.38 | supertanker | hey, maybe thats why i'm laggin so much...I should go to make it go faster...cya |
| 00:16.59 | Gnurdux | about 80,000 seconds |
| 00:17.11 | Gnurdux | so about a day |
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| 00:20.05 | blast007 | supertanker: what video card do you have? |
| 00:20.08 | Gnurdux | supertanker, it takes about a day on dialup to download a CD |
| 00:20.18 | Gnurdux | and its not a kubuntu driver: its a Xorg dirver |
| 00:21.08 | supertanker | Nvidia GeForce 256 w/ 32 mb ram. It takes a day to download 100 megs, this cd is 670. |
| 00:21.17 | JeffM2501 | supertanker, did you check your SDL? |
| 00:21.17 | supertanker | I mean an OpenGL driver |
| 00:21.24 | JeffM2501 | and make sure it has ALSA suport? |
| 00:21.43 | supertanker | my wha..huh? The ALSA works fine, now that I rememberd that Linux is cAsE-SenSitIVe |
| 00:21.50 | JeffM2501 | ok |
| 00:21.50 | blast007 | JeffM2501: alsa worked after they put it in lowercase |
| 00:21.57 | supertanker | exactly |
| 00:22.03 | JeffM2501 | I was in the lead dev's office again |
| 00:22.04 | JeffM2501 | sorry |
| 00:22.15 | JeffM2501 | he just pops in and out so much I figured I'd ask before he left |
| 00:22.42 | supertanker | It works perfect now, no more problems, (unless somene has a magic anti-lag patch in their back pocket) |
| 00:22.50 | JeffM2501 | it's called DSL |
| 00:23.05 | JeffM2501 | what nivida drivers are 100 megs? |
| 00:23.20 | supertanker | Nothing, my Kubuntu CD is 670 megs |
| 00:23.28 | supertanker | its around 56 megs now |
| 00:23.41 | JeffM2501 | ahh |
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| 00:23.42 | supertanker | only 614 more to go! |
| 00:23.44 | blast007 | gnurdux was saying that a CD takes a day to download on dialup |
| 00:23.45 | JeffM2501 | fun |
| 00:23.55 | JeffM2501 | well yeah, if you get it all |
| 00:23.58 | JeffM2501 | get DSL or cable |
| 00:24.00 | Gnurdux | i did a calculation |
| 00:24.01 | JeffM2501 | why killyoursef |
| 00:24.01 | supertanker | yes thank god my FTP client has pause... |
| 00:24.03 | blast007 | supertanker: you'll probably have to grab an older nVidia driver |
| 00:24.05 | JeffM2501 | Gnurdux, congrats |
| 00:24.24 | supertanker | My nvida works fine right now with Fedora...one more question: what is a good map editor for linux? |
| 00:24.27 | Gnurdux | if the CD is 600mb, it will be about 80,000 seconds, which is 22.22 hours |
| 00:24.32 | JeffM2501 | supertanker, blender |
| 00:24.33 | Gnurdux | supertanker, blender |
| 00:24.34 | Gnurdux | lol |
| 00:24.49 | Gnurdux | i tried blender but i couldn't figure out how to use it |
| 00:24.50 | Gnurdux | too lazy |
| 00:24.56 | JeffM2501 | then learn more |
| 00:25.07 | JeffM2501 | it's the only editor that is gonna be kept up to date |
| 00:25.12 | blast007 | yet not too lazy to calculate the time the CD will take to download |
| 00:25.15 | supertanker | buy the 800-something page book (what I did) |
| 00:25.17 | JeffM2501 | no more bzedit :) |
| 00:25.22 | JeffM2501 | thank the gods |
| 00:25.25 | purple_cow | hehe |
| 00:25.39 | supertanker | BZEdit was sorta nice, but it only works with Windoze. :( |
| 00:25.51 | wegstar | does it work under wine? |
| 00:25.52 | blast007 | and older versions of Wine |
| 00:25.53 | JeffM2501 | supertanker, that is not true |
| 00:26.00 | JeffM2501 | and well those 3 linux versions of it |
| 00:26.00 | blast007 | newer ones it freaks out in |
| 00:26.16 | supertanker | I noticed that using an external modem under linux shaves roughly 50 ms off my lag, versus an internal modem under windows...maybe windows and linux machines "don't like to talk" |
| 00:26.21 | JeffM2501 | some systems were able to run the windows one under wine |
| 00:26.24 | supertanker | Really? Where's the linux versions? |
| 00:26.30 | JeffM2501 | supertanker, bzfed |
| 00:26.32 | JeffM2501 | not made by us |
| 00:26.40 | JeffM2501 | but it dosn't support any 2.0 stuff |
| 00:26.41 | supertanker | ? |
| 00:26.44 | JeffM2501 | that's all blender |
| 00:26.55 | JeffM2501 | blender is your lord/god |
| 00:26.59 | blast007 | and there's PyBZEdit, which isn't too great |
| 00:27.08 | JeffM2501 | no it isn't |
| 00:27.25 | JeffM2501 | there are no stand alone editors that work with 2.0 objects |
| 00:27.35 | supertanker | Blender i'm getting the source for, but bzfed...never heard of it. Yes, blender and Wings3d. Actualy I tried PyBZEdit, but I need to download all this extra crp to work with Python... |
| 00:28.00 | JeffM2501 | there is a blender bzflag plugin |
| 00:28.06 | JeffM2501 | that lets you do full map editing in blender |
| 00:28.10 | JeffM2501 | bzfed was not made by us |
| 00:28.18 | JeffM2501 | it is a cleanup of the older bzedit linux code |
| 00:28.55 | supertanker | once again, Google is god. |
| 00:29.05 | JeffM2501 | no it's just a smart tool |
| 00:29.26 | supertanker | which acts like god in my crazy derranged mind :) |
| 00:29.49 | JeffM2501 | I think that is just the sugar talking to you |
| 00:30.57 | supertanker | BZFed is dead, it looks like, i guess ill just wait an hour and download Blender. BTW where are those blender tools again? |
| 00:31.07 | JeffM2501 | they are all dead |
| 00:31.16 | supertanker | Ah. |
| 00:31.19 | JeffM2501 | didn't I say that blender is the ONLY one that is going to be kept udated? |
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| 00:31.40 | JeffM2501 | or do you just ignore any sentance longer then 3 words? |
| 00:32.04 | supertanker | I don't ignore them, I just read the first 3 words. Anyways downloading blender... |
| 00:32.14 | JeffM2501 | please don't waste our time |
| 00:32.57 | supertanker | k |
| 00:37.09 | supertanker | gotta go...cya |
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| 01:00.56 | CIA-6 | BZFlag: 03jeffm2501 07playground_branch * 10bzflag/ (21 files in 4 dirs): masivly busted code that starts to get rid of maxshots and uses player weapon descriptors |
| 01:01.49 | Gnurdux | :) |
| 01:02.02 | Gnurdux | is 2.2 going to have -ms? |
| 01:02.12 | JeffM2501 | of course |
| 01:02.15 | JeffM2501 | why would it not? |
| 01:02.58 | Gnurdux | dunno |
| 01:03.06 | Gnurdux | but it will have weapons rihgt? |
| 01:03.19 | blast007 | Gnurdux: playground_branch != 2.1 |
| 01:03.22 | JeffM2501 | it has flags |
| 01:03.25 | JeffM2501 | as allways |
| 01:03.27 | Gnurdux | blast007, i know |
| 01:03.27 | JeffM2501 | yeah |
| 01:03.40 | JeffM2501 | 2.2 will have what it has now |
| 01:03.45 | JeffM2501 | bzflag is flag based |
| 01:04.10 | JeffM2501 | hence it's name "bzFLAG" |
| 01:04.34 | Gnurdux | yes i know |
| 01:05.44 | JeffM2501 | then why ask if 2.2is going to have things that arn't part of the bzflag game design? |
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| 01:08.47 | Gnurdux | JeffM2501, i thought the flags were going to have weapon descriptors or something |
| 01:09.03 | JeffM2501 | why would they do that? |
| 01:09.11 | JeffM2501 | bzflag dosn't have health or energy |
| 01:09.17 | JeffM2501 | or alternate fire |
| 01:09.31 | JeffM2501 | you can infer the weapon from the flag |
| 01:09.41 | Gnurdux | ok |
| 01:09.57 | Gnurdux | but you can make things like laser + genocide right? |
| 01:10.12 | JeffM2501 | that is not a flag type in BZFlag |
| 01:10.16 | JeffM2501 | so no |
| 01:10.43 | JeffM2501 | playgorund allows for a more flexable weapon design, but also totaly removes flags as powerups |
| 01:11.12 | Gnurdux | so the whole custom flag thing you were gonna do in 2.2 isnt happening? |
| 01:11.17 | JeffM2501 | no |
| 01:11.23 | JeffM2501 | it was not working out |
| 01:11.33 | JeffM2501 | having it tied to a single flag got very complex very fast |
| 01:11.50 | JeffM2501 | spliting it into weapons, accesories, and effects is easyer |
| 01:12.07 | Gnurdux | and that wont get into 2.2 |
| 01:12.20 | Gnurdux | so 2.2 wont allow you to modify gameplay much more than 2.0 does? |
| 01:12.21 | JeffM2501 | bzflag dosn't have weapons, accessories, or effects |
| 01:12.26 | JeffM2501 | no, bzflag is bzflag |
| 01:12.32 | JeffM2501 | bzflag IS the current gameplay |
| 01:13.07 | JeffM2501 | I don't feel it's right to have the list server have all these difrent types of gameplay mixed in the same list |
| 01:13.15 | JeffM2501 | it will become far too confusing for end users |
| 01:13.33 | Gnurdux | you mean even CTF FFA and rabbit? |
| 01:13.36 | JeffM2501 | no |
| 01:13.50 | JeffM2501 | I mean "here lazer is laser + geno + left turn" |
| 01:13.59 | JeffM2501 | "here the backwards flag makes you jump" |
| 01:14.14 | JeffM2501 | the flags prety much define gameplay |
| 01:14.23 | JeffM2501 | specificly there interactions |
| 01:14.29 | JeffM2501 | so bzflag should be left alone |
| 01:15.04 | JeffM2501 | bzflag IS totaly cusomisable by the nature that you have the source and can make your own branch |
| 01:15.20 | Gnurdux | yes but not without changing protocol for a lot of things |
| 01:15.25 | JeffM2501 | but I don't want to turn it into one big mushpot of poorly admined server with wackass settings |
| 01:15.33 | JeffM2501 | yes changing that protocoll is a GOOD thing |
| 01:15.40 | JeffM2501 | it makes the rules stay seperate |
| 01:15.44 | JeffM2501 | so there is no confusion |
| 01:15.49 | Gnurdux | then standard clients wont work |
| 01:15.50 | JeffM2501 | you know when you play one what to expect |
| 01:15.52 | Gnurdux | what about plugins? |
| 01:15.53 | JeffM2501 | that's the point |
| 01:16.00 | JeffM2501 | plugins allow minor mods |
| 01:16.06 | JeffM2501 | but they can be abbused |
| 01:16.17 | JeffM2501 | that's why I dont' want to give them much more power |
| 01:16.27 | JeffM2501 | the most they shoudl be able to do is define new game types |
| 01:16.27 | Gnurdux | have you seen L4m3rs Steal The Bacon? |
| 01:16.30 | Gnurdux | that is awesome |
| 01:16.37 | JeffM2501 | that's one flag CTF |
| 01:16.43 | Gnurdux | ya that basically is a new game type |
| 01:16.43 | JeffM2501 | that is the kinda stuff plugins should do |
| 01:16.48 | JeffM2501 | just change what you do, not how you do it |
| 01:17.09 | Gnurdux | i feel that plugins should be able to do everything / commands can |
| 01:17.11 | JeffM2501 | a plugin should not make a flag behave difrently |
| 01:17.18 | Gnurdux | at the very minimum |
| 01:17.28 | JeffM2501 | Gnurdux, they should, /commands just affect internal states |
| 01:17.40 | JeffM2501 | they can't change how game mechanics work |
| 01:17.43 | Gnurdux | there isnt an API function for /report tho |
| 01:17.48 | JeffM2501 | nope |
| 01:17.57 | JeffM2501 | there isn't an API for lots of / comamnds |
| 01:18.01 | Gnurdux | what do you feel about stuff like RogueGenocide? |
| 01:18.03 | JeffM2501 | the API is incomplete |
| 01:18.12 | JeffM2501 | geno is a known effect |
| 01:18.24 | JeffM2501 | so applying it to rogue is not too bad of a stretch |
| 01:18.26 | Gnurdux | what about SWdeath |
| 01:18.40 | JeffM2501 | again, they are just existing effects used in interestingw ays |
| 01:18.40 | blast007 | ... |
| 01:18.49 | JeffM2501 | they don't add any new effects |
| 01:19.09 | JeffM2501 | are you going to grill me on every single plugin I wrote now? |
| 01:19.16 | Gnurdux | you wrote all of those? |
| 01:19.23 | JeffM2501 | yeah |
| 01:19.25 | Gnurdux | oh |
| 01:19.27 | JeffM2501 | I did the API |
| 01:19.27 | Gnurdux | lol |
| 01:19.36 | Gnurdux | is the API goign to be redone for 2.1? |
| 01:19.43 | JeffM2501 | others helped tweak them, but yeah that's all me |
| 01:19.51 | JeffM2501 | Gnurdux, it is already difrent |
| 01:20.01 | JeffM2501 | I didn't do nagware |
| 01:20.03 | JeffM2501 | that wasn't me |
| 01:20.12 | Gnurdux | will it have functions for every /command? |
| 01:20.19 | JeffM2501 | probalbly not |
| 01:20.25 | JeffM2501 | not all commands need functions |
| 01:20.37 | JeffM2501 | like /grouplist |
| 01:20.41 | JeffM2501 | the plugin never needs to call that |
| 01:21.08 | Gnurdux | one thign that would be cool is if a plugin could implement an alternative group system |
| 01:21.14 | JeffM2501 | it can |
| 01:21.20 | Gnurdux | like if there was an API temporary setgroup thing |
| 01:21.29 | Gnurdux | it can only set privs, not groups |
| 01:21.35 | JeffM2501 | you can keep your own group lists |
| 01:21.46 | JeffM2501 | and do your own /set command |
| 01:22.04 | JeffM2501 | if it's kept in the main group system, the server would have to know about it |
| 01:22.15 | JeffM2501 | and that would limit you to the existing group functions |
| 01:22.20 | JeffM2501 | and not be much of an "alternate" |
| 01:22.32 | JeffM2501 | you can create local groups that the plugins can use |
| 01:22.39 | Gnurdux | something that would allow temporary setting of groups |
| 01:22.42 | JeffM2501 | and it can do it's own thing based on them |
| 01:22.49 | JeffM2501 | Gnurdux, why? |
| 01:22.49 | Gnurdux | ok... |
| 01:22.59 | JeffM2501 | why do you need the rest of the system to track a variable for you? |
| 01:23.05 | JeffM2501 | keep your own dam memory |
| 01:23.20 | JeffM2501 | if you want the system to track it, then make it a real group |
| 01:23.23 | Gnurdux | well so that you could create for example somnething like global groups but not through the list server, and have it use the standard groupdb |
| 01:23.29 | JeffM2501 | and just don't give it any perms |
| 01:23.36 | JeffM2501 | yeah local db |
| 01:23.43 | JeffM2501 | or have the plugin just track them in ram |
| 01:23.47 | JeffM2501 | if they are realy temporary |
| 01:23.54 | JeffM2501 | it's not the API's job to do every little thing for you |
| 01:24.13 | JeffM2501 | I have to go now |
| 01:24.23 | JeffM2501 | it's star wars day |
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| 01:37.04 | CIA-6 | BZFlag: 03bryjen 07playground_branch * 10bzflag/src/bzfs/bzfsClientMessages.cxx: this is not the function you are looking for |
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| 02:40.28 | SportChick | JeffM2501: the database is returning errors again |
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| 02:46.09 | JeffM2501 | SportChick, it will till the mail stuff is fixed |
| 02:46.39 | SportChick | JeffM2501: does it restart itself? or do you want us to notify you if/when it gives the error? |
| 02:46.57 | JeffM2501 | it restarts it self a couple times an hour |
| 02:47.14 | JeffM2501 | telling me does nothing, I can't do anything about it |
| 02:47.27 | JeffM2501 | and realy nether can anyone else till brlcad finds a way to fix it |
| 02:47.43 | SportChick | ok - I wasn't sure- I know someone earlier restarted it or something. I didn't know if the 'critical error" was different than other errors |
| 02:47.43 | JeffM2501 | it seems to be a bug in PHP on BSD |
| 02:47.47 | SportChick | ok |
| 02:47.48 | SportChick | np |
| 02:47.52 | SportChick | sorry for disturbing you |
| 02:53.06 | JeffM2501 | it's no disturbance |
| 02:56.17 | JeffM2501 | dude light a match |
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| 07:32.26 | L4m3r | when you join you spawn halfway inside... when you land on them you get stuck |
| 07:36.27 | purple_cow | it's a feature |
| 07:36.50 | L4m3r | "I can't believe it's not CTF!" |
| 07:37.12 | L4m3r | fixed it... oddly... |
| 07:45.01 | L4m3r | woo netsplit? |
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| 09:18.18 | PasswordProblem | hi |
| 09:19.09 | PasswordProblem | I just registered on a private Server |
| 09:19.28 | PasswordProblem | identify works, but the in-game password field does not work: |
| 09:19.45 | PasswordProblem | first while connecting it hangs a time, then it didnt identify me when getting in... |
| 09:20.19 | [dmp] | There is alot of problem with the server doing global auth |
| 09:20.42 | [dmp] | They are working on it to be fixed, tho |
| 09:21.11 | PasswordProblem | ok |
| 09:21.23 | PasswordProblem | global works for me but not private servers |
| 09:21.42 | PasswordProblem | they dont seem to work with this password input below callsign.. |
| 09:21.52 | PasswordProblem | should that field work with private servers? |
| 09:21.59 | [dmp] | that "password" is for global auth |
| 09:22.46 | [dmp] | you need to use /password for local auth |
| 09:22.50 | [dmp] | (afaik) |
| 09:23.09 | PasswordProblem | oh ok |
| 09:23.41 | PasswordProblem | i would like the password field to also work with private servers, would be a bit more comfortable in some cirumstances |
| 09:23.42 | PasswordProblem | but ok |
| 09:24.09 | PasswordProblem | you can't run a batch of commands while entering the first server or something like this ? :) |
| 09:24.17 | PasswordProblem | im too lazy for /passowrd, /identify |
| 09:29.15 | PasswordProblem | i want to use the field for a LAN |
| 09:34.09 | [dmp] | hmm there is a method to store it in the configuration file |
| 09:34.15 | PasswordProblem | cool |
| 09:34.19 | [dmp] | i just cant remember it :( |
| 09:34.23 | PasswordProblem | ic |
| 09:34.25 | PasswordProblem | anyway thx |
| 09:34.53 | PasswordProblem | i'm at school and my traffic might be exceeded in a few moments.. |
| 09:35.06 | PasswordProblem | so don't wonder if my connection will be reset by peer |
| 09:35.17 | [dmp] | ok, ill try to dig up how to auto-identify |
| 09:35.29 | PasswordProblem | thx :D |
| 09:36.36 | [dmp] | just keep in mind that local passwords are insecure. The admin can steal them :) |
| 09:37.28 | PasswordProblem | yes i know, but with the loss of only a few seconds we might loose all BZF players |
| 09:37.42 | PasswordProblem | or i dont get the bus |
| 09:41.30 | PasswordProblem | 5 minutes and break is over.. ;) |
| 09:41.50 | PasswordProblem | then we have physics and sport |
| 09:42.43 | [dmp] | ok |
| 09:42.49 | [dmp] | you can try to come back later |
| 09:43.12 | [dmp] | i cant find it :( |
| 09:43.15 | PasswordProblem | if you found out, would you send it to my email address? you don't have to, it's just that i have to go now and log off |
| 09:43.18 | PasswordProblem | ok np |
| 09:43.35 | PasswordProblem | i can come back at 6 o clock GMT 3 |
| 09:43.42 | PasswordProblem | <PROTECTED> |
| 09:43.45 | PasswordProblem | plus3 |
| 09:44.00 | PasswordProblem | cya |
| 09:44.04 | [dmp] | cu |
| 09:44.04 | PasswordProblem | traffic.. |
| 09:44.14 | PasswordProblem | i never know when it is |
| 09:44.19 | PasswordProblem | but if i can do nothing |
| 09:44.20 | [dmp] | (i think i found it ) |
| 09:44.21 | [dmp] | :) |
| 09:44.24 | PasswordProblem | :D |
| 09:44.29 | [dmp] | but let's talk about it later |
| 09:44.38 | [dmp] | if you are leaving :) |
| 09:45.18 | PasswordProblem | ok |
| 09:45.23 | PasswordProblem | i should go now |
| 09:45.32 | PasswordProblem | but i just let this logged on lets see |
| 09:45.43 | PasswordProblem | i dopnt think someone will delete my files if i dont loggoff |
| 09:46.14 | PasswordProblem | i join as PwPb2 |
| 09:46.17 | PasswordProblem | with opera we can exceed |
| 09:46.18 | PasswordProblem | GONG |
| 09:46.21 | PasswordProblem | ok cya |
| 09:46.23 | [dmp] | cya |
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| 11:32.24 | PasswordProblem | physics is over remaining: 2 lessons of sport, trip to home |
| 11:32.35 | PasswordProblem | before hom e i have no fuirther access |
| 11:32.42 | PasswordProblem | untill then |
| 11:32.50 | PasswordProblem | cya |
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| 12:59.05 | Usiu | Mr_Molez, Hi |
| 12:59.31 | Mr_Molez | Usiu: sup |
| 12:59.36 | Usiu | no group :( |
| 13:00.35 | Mr_Molez | just use /setgroup till its made |
| 13:01.25 | Usiu | hm.. |
| 13:01.43 | Usiu | I have a domin... so I told friends to just type it... |
| 13:02.02 | Mr_Molez | what do you mean ? |
| 13:02.02 | Usiu | domain |
| 13:02.17 | Usiu | i have my own server running |
| 13:02.21 | Mr_Molez | ok |
| 13:02.28 | Mr_Molez | if you want to add your friends to the admin list |
| 13:02.29 | Usiu | and my friends type the name of it.. in server field.. |
| 13:02.34 | Mr_Molez | do /setgroup CALLSIGN GROUPNAME |
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| 13:02.45 | Usiu | ok |
| 13:03.08 | Usiu | have to go |
| 13:03.09 | Usiu | bye |
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| 14:20.27 | I_Died_Once | list server is down |
| 14:20.44 | I_Died_Once | as are the forums, it seems |
| 14:21.39 | I_Died_Once | anyone alive? |
| 14:23.08 | SportChick | I_Died_Once: there are general problems |
| 14:23.15 | SportChick | I_Died_Once: be patient and it will reset |
| 14:35.39 | gsnedders | i'm sorry, but 8 spawn kills out of 8 spawns is just unacceptable. |
| 14:36.05 | Mr_Molez | gsnedders: gamesunited ? |
| 14:36.20 | gsnedders | viper's. |
| 14:36.24 | Mr_Molez | oo |
| 14:36.37 | Mr_Molez | there is a spawn bug in 2.0.6 |
| 14:36.51 | gsnedders | and don't give me the "it's hard to find space to spawn on full servers" rubbish. |
| 14:36.51 | Mr_Molez | duno what server viper uses though |
| 14:37.02 | gsnedders | 2.0.5.200512, last time I checked |
| 14:37.13 | TheRedBaron | <PROTECTED> |
| 14:37.21 | gsnedders | and when you join... |
| 14:37.35 | gsnedders | and so will CLIENTQUERY |
| 14:37.47 | TheRedBaron | they've done away with CLIENTQUERY |
| 14:37.52 | Mr_Molez | gsnedders: its just a game, chill out lol |
| 14:37.53 | TheRedBaron | it used to be that |
| 14:38.09 | TheRedBaron | ~seen tupone |
| 14:38.14 | ibot | tupone <n=Tupone@pdpc/supporter/active/Tupone> was last seen on IRC in channel #bzflag, 17h 11m 12s ago, saying: 'well at least what you write reflect the sound'. |
| 14:38.14 | gsnedders | it worked on 2.0.4... |
| 14:39.00 | gsnedders | and it works on 2.0.5.20060404 |
| 14:39.17 | TheRedBaron | what OS? |
| 14:39.35 | gsnedders | Mac OS 10.4.6 |
| 14:40.47 | TheRedBaron | hrm, perhaps MAC thinks different |
| 14:41.43 | gsnedders | MAC != Mac |
| 14:41.56 | randomparticle | "/serverquery" to get the server version |
| 14:42.36 | randomparticle | that doesn't bother other people with clientquery requests |
| 14:43.50 | randomparticle | 127 gnedders |
| 14:43.51 | TheRedBaron | is it just me, or does 2.0.6 seem "sluggish"? |
| 14:44.08 | Mr_Molez | seems fine to me |
| 14:44.13 | gsnedders | I know, but there are just so many commands that do the same basic thing |
| 14:44.18 | Mr_Molez | the transition from 10.8 to 2.0 seemed sluggish to me |
| 14:44.23 | gsnedders | very. |
| 14:44.28 | TheRedBaron | randomparticle: you should check out some 2.0.6 servers, and tell me if your tank movements seems to be hampered |
| 14:44.45 | randomparticle | can't say i've noticed it |
| 14:44.53 | TheRedBaron | the transition from 10.8 to 2.0 - seemed smoother |
| 14:44.57 | Mr_Molez | TheRedBaron: its probably ME limits yay |
| 14:45.10 | TheRedBaron | Mr_Molez: then they are heftier limits than from 2.0.4 |
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| 14:45.48 | randomparticle | if you save the world you might see a line like "-a 25 25" |
| 14:45.58 | randomparticle | that gives you the accel limits in force |
| 14:46.11 | TheRedBaron | randomparticle: I played the other day, looking for 2.0.6 and they all seemed noticably sluggish |
| 14:46.18 | randomparticle | which server? |
| 14:46.23 | TheRedBaron | can't remember which ones |
| 14:46.27 | randomparticle | oh, all |
| 14:46.29 | TheRedBaron | valentino |
| 14:46.35 | TheRedBaron | was the most noticeable |
| 14:46.44 | TheRedBaron | should have thought to save the world |
| 14:47.03 | TheRedBaron | is there some command from the client, to see what settings the server is using? |
| 14:47.04 | randomparticle | when gu went to 2.0.6 somehow accel limits got added |
| 14:47.08 | randomparticle | i wonder how it happened |
| 14:47.21 | randomparticle | not that i know of |
| 14:47.22 | TheRedBaron | what settings? |
| 14:47.31 | TheRedBaron | did you cants the accel limit numbers? |
| 14:47.34 | TheRedBaron | *catch |
| 14:48.07 | randomparticle | -a 50 38 i think |
| 14:48.13 | Mr_Molez | :O |
| 14:48.14 | randomparticle | same as at silvercat overlord etc |
| 14:48.23 | Mr_Molez | that will explain it :P |
| 14:48.24 | TheRedBaron | yea, proxs uses those also |
| 14:48.36 | TheRedBaron | but due to my low lag on proxs, I dont' notice it at all |
| 14:48.38 | randomparticle | but 5154 has been taken back to the old settings |
| 14:48.46 | Mr_Molez | and all this time ppl kept telling me ME didn't look noticable :P |
| 14:48.56 | randomparticle | heh |
| 14:49.35 | TheRedBaron | bah, you can easily tell who uses "ME" and its not by the shots passing through. |
| 14:50.11 | Mr_Molez | no i mean, the way your tank moves is easy noticable. Alot of people told me it wasn't when you play |
| 14:50.23 | Mr_Molez | i mean you notice yourself |
| 14:50.31 | randomparticle | i notice |
| 14:50.39 | randomparticle | i can nearly always tell |
| 14:50.47 | TheRedBaron | yes, the tank characteristics |
| 14:50.57 | TheRedBaron | observe them |
| 14:51.04 | randomparticle | it's obvious when you can't move around like a frenzied maniac on speed |
| 14:51.06 | TheRedBaron | You can easily, easily tell mouse players, from KB players |
| 14:51.17 | TheRedBaron | and who uses a fast mouse |
| 14:51.24 | randomparticle | yep |
| 14:51.28 | Mr_Molez | nothing wrong with fast mice :P |
| 14:51.35 | randomparticle | absolutely |
| 14:51.38 | TheRedBaron | agreed |
| 14:51.43 | randomparticle | kb players are so robotic :) |
| 14:52.00 | TheRedBaron | i pity them |
| 14:52.17 | randomparticle | turn - halt - fire - turn - halt - forward - halt - fire ... |
| 14:52.30 | randomparticle | no fluency |
| 14:52.38 | randomparticle | most of them, anyone |
| 14:52.44 | randomparticle | *anyway |
| 14:52.45 | TheRedBaron | embrace the mouse, niave keyboard player, and be set free! |
| 14:52.53 | Mr_Molez | randomparticle: u ever seen megaman play ? you will change your mind if u did |
| 14:53.03 | TheRedBaron | there are exceptions |
| 14:53.06 | randomparticle | he's the master robot :) |
| 14:53.10 | Mr_Molez | hehe |
| 14:53.11 | TheRedBaron | and his fingers have to be worn out after a match |
| 14:53.20 | TheRedBaron | and he's seriously hopped up on something |
| 14:53.30 | randomparticle | hehe |
| 14:54.23 | TheRedBaron | gladiator is another non robotic KB player |
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| 14:54.29 | TheRedBaron | if he still plays |
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| 14:54.36 | Mr_Molez | TheRedBaron: does dub use 5-38 -a ? |
| 14:54.42 | TheRedBaron | Mr_Molez: no |
| 14:54.47 | Mr_Molez | 50-38 sorry |
| 14:54.48 | TheRedBaron | AFAIK only proxs does |
| 14:54.51 | Mr_Molez | oh, whats it use ? |
| 14:54.57 | Mr_Molez | ahh |
| 14:55.09 | TheRedBaron | i'd have to dig throught the league forums, but it states the settings there somewhere |
| 14:55.26 | Mr_Molez | ill go copy the map and see what it says |
| 14:55.26 | Mr_Molez | brb |
| 14:56.22 | Mr_Molez | oh -a 35 35 |
| 14:57.38 | TheRedBaron | the interesting thing is, I see more "bullets go through" on dub than proxs |
| 14:58.01 | TheRedBaron | and proxs has heftier acel limits |
| 14:58.10 | TheRedBaron | errr reverse that |
| 14:58.18 | TheRedBaron | stupid caffiene |
| 14:58.46 | Mr_Molez | lag from eu to us is quite different from us to eu |
| 14:58.48 | Mr_Molez | its weird |
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| 14:59.02 | TheRedBaron | yup |
| 14:59.14 | TheRedBaron | I prefer to have the EU player laggy, and not the US laggy |
| 15:00.32 | TheRedBaron | and those who are complained against the most, are US players |
| 15:00.48 | Mr_Molez | yeh thats true |
| 15:00.58 | Mr_Molez | i hardily see any eu players complained at |
| 15:01.16 | TheRedBaron | so, IMHO, most of your matches should be played on US servers |
| 15:01.24 | Mr_Molez | nooooooooooo |
| 15:01.24 | Mr_Molez | lo |
| 15:01.26 | Mr_Molez | lol |
| 15:01.46 | Mr_Molez | i play better on eu servers |
| 15:02.56 | TheRedBaron | then dont' complain about our lag ;) |
| 15:03.04 | Mr_Molez | i never do |
| 15:03.08 | Mr_Molez | i just deal with it :P |
| 15:03.49 | Mr_Molez | i thought pimpi put strict -a on dub public |
| 15:03.54 | Mr_Molez | has he took it off |
| 15:04.30 | TheRedBaron | he started with that |
| 15:04.32 | TheRedBaron | and it was bad... |
| 15:04.40 | Mr_Molez | ah ok |
| 15:06.35 | TheRedBaron | Mr_Molez: I play better on US servers :) |
| 15:06.55 | Mr_Molez | cuz the us servers has -a ? |
| 15:07.03 | TheRedBaron | no |
| 15:07.10 | Mr_Molez | oh just lag ? |
| 15:07.15 | TheRedBaron | believe it or not, its harder to fit between bullets when you lag |
| 15:07.25 | Mr_Molez | hehe |
| 15:07.35 | TheRedBaron | its easier to drive around them though |
| 15:07.55 | Mr_Molez | i still aint perfected the fit through bullets thing :( |
| 15:08.20 | Mr_Molez | and with fast mouse its pretty hard |
| 15:08.25 | TheRedBaron | really? |
| 15:08.32 | TheRedBaron | I can't do it, unless my mouse is fast |
| 15:08.38 | Mr_Molez | wow lol |
| 15:08.58 | Mr_Molez | yeh i try to stop to fit through the bullets.. but my tank keeps moving :P |
| 15:09.00 | TheRedBaron | if your tank is 90 degrees, you won't be able to make it |
| 15:09.19 | TheRedBaron | you gotta "jitter" back and forth, with your hand reall fast to stay still |
| 15:09.25 | Mr_Molez | ah |
| 15:09.34 | TheRedBaron | and if the -a is set, who knows, you may just stand still ;) |
| 15:09.39 | Mr_Molez | lol |
| 15:10.08 | Mr_Molez | i have noticed with my nwe mouse (very fast) alot of bullets going through me |
| 15:10.15 | Mr_Molez | *new |
| 15:10.36 | TheRedBaron | trackball? |
| 15:10.42 | Mr_Molez | nah gaming mouse |
| 15:11.19 | TheRedBaron | whose shots? euro or US? |
| 15:11.51 | Mr_Molez | both same |
| 15:12.34 | TheRedBaron | what size radar? |
| 15:12.38 | Mr_Molez | 30 |
| 15:12.43 | TheRedBaron | kewl |
| 15:13.02 | TheRedBaron | and monitor? |
| 15:13.15 | Mr_Molez | 1280x1024 |
| 15:13.18 | Mr_Molez | 17" |
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| 15:14.33 | Mr_Molez | CBG: yay |
| 15:14.34 | TheRedBaron | hrm, i think i have a 17" also, but i don't run 1280x1024 |
| 15:14.40 | TheRedBaron | I run 1024X768 |
| 15:14.55 | CBG | Mr_Molez: hey... 'sup? |
| 15:14.57 | Mr_Molez | 1024x768 seem soo smaller after using 1280 for a while :P |
| 15:15.02 | TheRedBaron | i played bz on a 21" monitor. talk about a heavenly radar :) |
| 15:15.18 | Mr_Molez | ohhh i would love a 2" !! |
| 15:15.25 | Mr_Molez | 21" |
| 15:15.42 | Mr_Molez | and i would sell my sole for a 29 or something |
| 15:16.42 | CBG | Ho Mo, why "yay"? I've never received such a response on joining an irc channel before! |
| 15:17.06 | Mr_Molez | CBG: yeh right |
| 15:17.14 | CBG | o.O |
| 15:18.39 | Mr_Molez | :D |
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| 15:33.38 | randomparticle | re |
| 15:33.55 | Mr_Molez | re re |
| 15:34.00 | randomparticle | re times three |
| 15:34.20 | randomparticle | hmm.. while i was eating was thinking about "radar error" |
| 15:34.37 | Mr_Molez | cool |
| 15:34.44 | randomparticle | :P |
| 15:35.03 | randomparticle | let's say you have a shot on the radar somewhere |
| 15:35.30 | randomparticle | but, adjacent radar pixels represent bz world points that are 2 miles apart |
| 15:36.03 | TheRedBaron | first, i'm not familiar with "radar Error" |
| 15:36.20 | randomparticle | won't the position of the shot be wrong by, in the worst case, 1 mile? |
| 15:36.26 | TheRedBaron | or is this a possible explination to do with "shots going through" |
| 15:36.32 | randomparticle | possibly |
| 15:37.40 | randomparticle | for people with small radars adjacent pixels may correspond to points that are half a tank length or more apart |
| 15:38.04 | randomparticle | so there might be a corresponding rounding error |
| 15:38.16 | randomparticle | what size radar do you use? |
| 15:40.13 | TheRedBaron | 30 |
| 15:40.20 | randomparticle | ok. |
| 15:40.42 | randomparticle | need a range too to get the resolution |
| 15:40.51 | randomparticle | what range do you use most frequently? |
| 15:41.52 | TheRedBaron | .22 |
| 15:41.56 | TheRedBaron | and .13 |
| 15:42.36 | TheRedBaron | you suspect a scaling problem? |
| 15:42.38 | randomparticle | ok. ideally we would get the radar size in pixels. i'm guessing it's about 500x500 given your 1024x768 display |
| 15:42.43 | randomparticle | does that sound about right?? |
| 15:43.26 | randomparticle | [ reaching for a calculator ] |
| 15:45.00 | randomparticle | at a guess, for .22, adjacent row pixels are 0.35m apart on a gu map |
| 15:45.13 | randomparticle | for reference, a tank is about 6m long |
| 15:45.15 | TheRedBaron | don't hurt yourself ;) |
| 15:45.42 | TheRedBaron | 6mm long, at what range? |
| 15:46.12 | randomparticle | 6m, not 6mm. no-one's afraid of a 6mm tank :) |
| 15:46.26 | TheRedBaron | haha |
| 15:47.11 | randomparticle | that's the actual size of the tank rather than the visible size |
| 15:48.08 | _sussi | .22 is regarding to the map size what is by default 400 |
| 15:48.20 | _sussi | 400 x 0.22= |
| 15:48.28 | randomparticle | indeed. that's why i said "on a gu map" |
| 15:48.49 | randomparticle | are you sure it's not 800 x 0.22? |
| 15:49.00 | randomparticle | the dimensions of the map are 800x800 |
| 15:49.28 | _sussi | all default seting in the wiki |
| 15:49.31 | randomparticle | i.e., -400 <= x <= 400 |
| 15:50.10 | _sussi | right 0 is opposit other coordinates in the middle of the map |
| 15:50.54 | _sussi | *coodinates systems |
| 15:50.56 | randomparticle | but i was guessing that 0.22 would be 0.22 of the complete map |
| 15:51.04 | TheRedBaron | going afk |
| 15:51.09 | randomparticle | k |
| 15:51.13 | TheRedBaron | but keep going |
| 15:51.15 | TheRedBaron | i'm interested |
| 15:51.21 | _sussi | 1.0 show the complets map, so u are right |
| 15:51.56 | _sussi | 800x .22= 176 |
| 15:52.15 | randomparticle | ok. so, if the radar is 500 pixels x 500 pixels... |
| 15:52.27 | _sussi | 1024 / 176 =5.8 pixel i guess |
| 15:52.42 | randomparticle | that's for the whole screen though, not the radar |
| 15:53.04 | _sussi | oh |
| 15:53.37 | _sussi | indeed |
| 15:54.26 | randomparticle | i went for a resolution of 176/500 = 0.352 metres per pixel |
| 15:54.50 | randomparticle | but there's a lot of guesswork in there |
| 15:54.55 | randomparticle | could well be completely wrong |
| 15:55.24 | _sussi | my thought was, that its difficult to identify a distance from a pic while all other is sdl_calculated |
| 15:55.50 | randomparticle | sdl_calculated? |
| 15:56.24 | _sussi | 3d calculated under using of sdl-libary |
| 15:56.42 | _sussi | but anyway the 35 cm error sounds logical |
| 15:57.37 | randomparticle | i think the max error would at most be half of that |
| 15:57.38 | _sussi | but 500 are pixels and 176 are pixels how go the m ? |
| 15:57.55 | randomparticle | or a little more than that |
| 15:58.09 | randomparticle | depending on how you calc it |
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| 15:58.28 | _sussi | so ur result are .352 pixels? |
| 15:58.48 | randomparticle | the worst error is when the point to be plotted is halfway between the two pixels |
| 15:59.04 | randomparticle | that is, .352/2 away from each pixel |
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| 15:59.28 | _sussi | dunno |
| 15:59.56 | randomparticle | but i'm just considering a horizontal or vertical error here. the actual error is a combination of the two |
| 16:00.20 | randomparticle | hmm.. and then there's anti-aliasing :) |
| 16:00.23 | _sussi | its regarding to carnage's post? |
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| 16:00.38 | randomparticle | the bb one a while back about the radar being misaligned? |
| 16:00.53 | Mr_Molez | it is misaligned :P |
| 16:01.08 | _sussi | what shows differently the center on radar than HUD |
| 16:01.47 | randomparticle | as long as the radar is ok, i'm happy. don't care about the hud |
| 16:02.24 | randomparticle | is the problem still in 2.0.6? |
| 16:03.46 | _sussi | try it ! |
| 16:04.53 | randomparticle | could do, but would rather not waste the time getting it compile if it doesn't work |
| 16:05.45 | _sussi | fill a bug report on sourceforge |
| 16:05.53 | randomparticle | !! |
| 16:05.59 | randomparticle | i haven't even seen the bug yet :) |
| 16:06.16 | _sussi | the screenshoot isnt enough? |
| 16:06.23 | randomparticle | it didn't load |
| 16:06.33 | randomparticle | broken link or something |
| 16:07.25 | _sussi | than shouldnt a problem to test it by yourself |
| 16:08.12 | randomparticle | not a problem but... download sdl library, compile that, download bzflag, re-edit reverse edited xcode project and compile that |
| 16:08.36 | randomparticle | can't be bothered frankly if i'm going to have to go through it all again for 2.0.8 |
| 16:08.50 | _sussi | i know that its much easier to hit a far object (if aim by radar) if u use a high screen resolution as 1600x1200 |
| 16:11.07 | randomparticle | reminds me... i must ask brlcad why the mac-specific changes that went into cvs have apparently not appeared in 2.0.6 |
| 16:12.38 | randomparticle | bzflag wouldn't build properly before without those changes |
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| 16:21.55 | zee045 | hmm.. how do i kick randomparticle? it's a zombie |
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| 16:37.32 | I_Died_Once | heres one for y'all, the 2.0.6.deb of bzflag requires all sorts of new libs, needing versions pf stuff not available on kubuntu breezy |
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| 16:43.26 | _Manu_ | I_Died_Once, you can try to compile it yourself |
| 16:50.56 | CIA-6 | BZFlag: 03jeffm2501 07v2_0branch * 10bzflag/data/l10n/bzflag_pt.po: new portuguese translations from "moonpix". Somone should verify this. |
| 16:51.20 | randomparticle | luiz felipe scolari is your man |
| 16:51.51 | JeffM2501 | ? |
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| 17:13.53 | I_Died_Once | Found GNU Autoconf version 2.59 |
| 17:13.54 | I_Died_Once | Found GNU Automake version 1.4.6 |
| 17:13.54 | I_Died_Once | ERROR: To prepare the BZFlag build system from scratch, |
| 17:13.54 | I_Died_Once | <PROTECTED> |
| 17:13.54 | I_Died_Once | ./autogen.sh does not need to be run on the same machine that will |
| 17:13.54 | I_Died_Once | run configure or make. Either the GNU Autotools will need to be installed |
| 17:13.56 | I_Died_Once | or upgraded on this system, or ./autogen.sh must be run on the source |
| 17:13.58 | I_Died_Once | code on another system and then transferred to here. -- Cheers! |
| 17:14.02 | I_Died_Once | mofo@planetmofo:~/bin/bzflag-2.0.7$ |
| 17:14.25 | I_Died_Once | but i have autotools installed |
| 17:15.22 | JeffM2501 | dude pasteBIN |
| 17:15.37 | JeffM2501 | you need to update your autotools |
| 17:15.50 | JeffM2501 | your automake is too old |
| 17:19.31 | I_Died_Once | forget it, i ran it on another system then samba'd it to me locally |
| 17:19.32 | guu | I've never heard of it, i ran it on another system then samba'd it to me locally, I_Died_Once! |
| 17:19.46 | JeffM2501 | umm ok |
| 17:20.00 | JeffM2501 | you samaba betwen 2 linux systems? |
| 17:20.02 | JeffM2501 | why not scp? |
| 17:20.14 | I_Died_Once | i have some win32 clients sprinkled in here |
| 17:20.15 | JeffM2501 | seems odd to use MS networking just for a file copy ;) |
| 17:20.33 | JeffM2501 | how can you build for nix on windows? |
| 17:20.49 | I_Died_Once | i wasnt... |
| 17:20.58 | I_Died_Once | i have my LAN setup to be win32 compliant |
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| 17:21.17 | I_Died_Once | or so when i go to work on a win32 machine, i have what i need shared |
| 17:21.19 | JeffM2501 | but if it has IP then you could have just scped it from one linux to another |
| 17:21.25 | I_Died_Once | and i have all my machine set up the same for ease |
| 17:21.44 | JeffM2501 | what ever works for ya, just seems you went thru an extra step |
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| 17:57.48 | Thumper_ | brlcad: ping |
| 18:05.09 | I_Died_Once | make[2]: *** No rule to make target `MsgStrings.cxx', needed by `MsgStrings.lo'. Stop. |
| 18:05.27 | I_Died_Once | make all recursive error |
| 18:11.57 | JeffM2501 | or he could just quit |
| 18:13.12 | blast007 | he's rebooting |
| 18:13.26 | blast007 | for some reason |
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| 18:15.36 | SportChick | JeffM2501: ping |
| 18:16.16 | JeffM2501 | ? |
| 18:16.23 | JeffM2501 | I gots to reboot too |
| 18:16.28 | JeffM2501 | go back to 2 gigs of ram here |
| 18:17.20 | JeffM2501 | SportChick, what's up? |
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| 18:18.33 | SportChick | jeffm2501 and thumper_: accept your invites please |
| 18:20.02 | _Manu_ | SportChick, :) |
| 18:20.14 | SportChick | _Manu_: hiya |
| 18:20.22 | _Manu_ | SportChick, hi :) |
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| 19:40.23 | Mr_Molez | the bzcontest video is corrupt. I have reencoded it so it works its available at http://ducati-style.bzflag.org/upload/files/day30.mpg |
| 19:48.21 | _Manu_ | Mr_Molez, it works for me or at last I think so |
| 19:49.36 | Mr_Molez | _Manu_: the original works for you ? |
| 19:49.51 | _Manu_ | no, the reencoded :/ |
| 19:49.59 | Mr_Molez | oh ok |
| 19:50.08 | _Manu_ | heh, I was distracted :) |
| 19:50.08 | Mr_Molez | thanks for the feeback _Manu_ i appreciate it :) |
| 19:50.19 | Mr_Molez | ~_Manu_++ |
| 19:50.21 | _Manu_ | and tried your link ;) |
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| 19:54.50 | I_Died_Once | so I have a newer automake installed, but autogen still says I got that old version |
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| 19:55.49 | Mr_Molez | remove the old version |
| 19:56.42 | I_Died_Once | Adept dont have old version removal |
| 19:59.34 | I_Died_Once | only upgrade |
| 19:59.43 | _Manu_ | I_Died_Once, I'm using Ubuntu Breezy in this box and I have installed automake 1.9 |
| 19:59.57 | I_Died_Once | it aint a HUGE deal, as i can autogen on another machine |
| 20:00.07 | I_Died_Once | but it don't recognize my automake |
| 20:00.10 | _Manu_ | what's your OS? |
| 20:00.13 | I_Died_Once | using Kubuntu, if it matters |
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| 20:01.19 | _Manu_ | you also can try sudo dpkg -r thepackage and then install again |
| 20:01.23 | _Manu_ | the new version |
| 20:02.13 | _Manu_ | what's the offender version? |
| 20:02.47 | I_Died_Once | 1.4.9 |
| 20:02.59 | _Manu_ | autogen, automake...? |
| 20:03.17 | I_Died_Once | got 'em |
| 20:03.47 | _Manu_ | yes but what's the error reported when you try ./autogen.sh ? |
| 20:04.06 | I_Died_Once | i put it in here earlier |
| 20:04.15 | _Manu_ | yes, but it's out of my scope now :( |
| 20:04.16 | I_Died_Once | says to update my autotools |
| 20:04.38 | I_Died_Once | but adept says they is installed |
| 20:04.41 | I_Died_Once | brb yo |
| 20:04.56 | _Manu_ | ok |
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| 20:23.47 | bryjen | ~seen CIA-6 |
| 20:24.01 | ibot | cia-6 is currently on #bzflag (12h 38m 32s). Has said a total of 1 messages. Is idling for 3h 33m 5s, last said: 'BZFlag: 03jeffm2501 07v2_0branch * 10bzflag/data/l10n/bzflag_pt.po: new portuguese translations from "moonpix". Somone should verify this.'. |
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| 21:30.45 | Gnurdux | hi A_Meteorite |
| 21:30.52 | A_Meteorite | hello |
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| 21:38.34 | Gnurdux | Jesse <white> killed by Gnurdux <orange> |
| 21:38.37 | Gnurdux | Gnurdux is now the rabbit |
| 21:38.45 | Gnurdux | Got shot by teammate Jesse |
| 21:38.56 | Gnurdux | Gnurdux<white>: got turned into swiss cheese by Jesse<orange>'s machine gun |
| 21:39.04 | Gnurdux | the stuff in <>s is just to tell what color stuff was |
| 21:39.12 | Gnurdux | but there should never be rabbit tks should there? |
| 21:39.29 | JeffM2501 | if your shot was live before you rabbited |
| 21:40.04 | Gnurdux | ok here is what happened |
| 21:40.13 | Gnurdux | jesse is rabbit, i am not |
| 21:40.17 | Gnurdux | we both shoot |
| 21:40.22 | Gnurdux | first jesse dies, then I die |
| 21:40.30 | Gnurdux | when I die, it counts as a TK |
| 21:40.46 | JeffM2501 | are you the only 2 on the server? |
| 21:40.52 | Gnurdux | no |
| 21:41.02 | JeffM2501 | probalby just a wierd order of thigns |
| 21:41.08 | JeffM2501 | and when it did the TK check you were both rouges |
| 21:41.23 | JeffM2501 | it's not perfect |
| 21:41.23 | Gnurdux | ah |
| 21:41.36 | Gnurdux | but 2.1 should NEVER do a tk check for rabbit |
| 21:41.52 | JeffM2501 | what does 2.1 have to do wiht it? |
| 21:42.02 | Gnurdux | just a bug that ought to be fixed in it |
| 21:42.14 | JeffM2501 | only if somone fixed it |
| 21:42.21 | Gnurdux | like you |
| 21:42.31 | JeffM2501 | just cus something "should" be fixed, does not mean somone DID fix it |
| 21:42.31 | Gnurdux | its probably already been fixed though |
| 21:42.39 | JeffM2501 | why do I have to fix all the bugs? |
| 21:42.45 | Gnurdux | since they created a rabbit team |
| 21:42.55 | Gnurdux | JeffM2501, you dont have to, but you do fix a lot of them |
| 21:42.55 | JeffM2501 | look and see |
| 21:42.56 | JeffM2501 | don't guess |
| 21:43.07 | JeffM2501 | Gnurdux, no I don't, what makes you say that |
| 21:43.10 | JeffM2501 | look at the changelog |
| 21:43.14 | JeffM2501 | it's mostly NOT me |
| 21:43.21 | Gnurdux | well you make a lot of commit |
| 21:43.21 | Gnurdux | s |
| 21:43.31 | JeffM2501 | most commits are not to the mainline |
| 21:43.53 | Gnurdux | what do you mean? |
| 21:44.16 | JeffM2501 | most of my changes are not in public versions |
| 21:44.59 | Gnurdux | you are one of the more active devs though |
| 21:45.06 | JeffM2501 | not really |
| 21:45.14 | Gnurdux | name 3 more active ones? |
| 21:45.18 | JeffM2501 | out of the core 5 I am proibably #4 |
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| 21:45.32 | JeffM2501 | trepan, Tupone, and brlcad |
| 21:45.59 | JeffM2501 | they all have more commits in 2.0.6 then I |
| 21:46.00 | Gnurdux | whos the fifth? |
| 21:46.08 | JeffM2501 | DTRemenak, |
| 21:46.14 | JeffM2501 | but he's been slackin :) |
| 21:46.27 | JeffM2501 | meno and pimpi are set to overake him :0 |
| 21:46.35 | A_Meteorite | Oooh... I see a subversion link at sf.net/projects/bzflag :) |
| 21:46.41 | A_Meteorite | I hope you are converting to svn |
| 21:46.44 | JeffM2501 | no we are not |
| 21:46.48 | JeffM2501 | it is not proven stable yet |
| 21:46.50 | JeffM2501 | it's new |
| 21:46.53 | A_Meteorite | ok. |
| 21:47.02 | JeffM2501 | it's been talked about |
| 21:47.11 | JeffM2501 | we'll let the other projects have the growing pains first :) |
| 21:52.03 | I_Died_Once | meteorite, did I give you a login to my FTP? |
| 21:52.18 | A_Meteorite | wrong channel :P |
| 21:52.24 | I_Died_Once | yeah no lie |
| 21:54.43 | Tupone | purple_cow: any problem with CIA that you know? |
| 21:55.14 | purple_cow | i think it's OK, but the machine has been thrashing a little |
| 21:55.42 | Tupone | I don't see the "lot of CIA message in gentoo" and I did some commit |
| 21:55.52 | Tupone | just some message |
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| 23:58.21 | Gnurdux | brad, you finally got the name brad? |
| 23:59.04 | brad | yeah ;) |
| 23:59.55 | Gnurdux | did someone else own it before? but it just expired? |