| 00:00.08 | [dmp] | an easy way to fix my.bzflag.bz - is to set "php_value register_globals on" for that site/directory .. that should make sorting/searching etc work again |
| 00:00.27 | QuickTim | http://www.flashkit.com/soundfx/Interfaces/Beeps/Small_Bo-Public_D-323/index.php |
| 00:00.51 | CBG | Try this one: http://www.flashkit.com/soundfx/Interfaces/Bloops/ponggg-Brandon_-8328/index.php |
| 00:01.18 | QuickTim | too long |
| 00:01.28 | CBG | Nah, I like it... |
| 00:01.37 | CBG | Can't we just change the sound ourselves...? |
| 00:01.51 | QuickTim | so where is bzflag.app when configure is done puking? |
| 00:02.06 | QuickTim | CBG: we were looking for a good sound to put into all future releases |
| 00:02.26 | CBG | Well, yeah, but if you want to now, you can change it yourselv. |
| 00:02.30 | CBG | s/v/f/ |
| 00:04.32 | QuickTim | does anybody know where i will find bzflag.app when configure is done? |
| 00:05.02 | CBG | bzflag-2.0.x/src/bzflag/bzflag.app I guess. |
| 00:06.03 | JeffM2501 | meno said we could do something in the existing servers apache config to redirect to the new hottness |
| 00:08.19 | brlcad | QuickTim: there is no .app |
| 00:08.30 | brlcad | the binary is in src/bzflag/bzflag |
| 00:08.41 | QuickTim | but is it Mac Application form? |
| 00:08.51 | brlcad | no, it's a binary |
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| 00:09.04 | *** mode/#bzflag [+v bryjen] by ChanServ |
| 00:09.19 | QuickTim | so it will just work? |
| 00:09.21 | CBG | QuickTim: you know when you go to bzflag.app and Show Package Contents...? |
| 00:09.26 | QuickTim | yeah |
| 00:09.32 | brlcad | QuickTim: type src/bzflag/bzflag on the command line |
| 00:09.40 | CBG | You go to /COntest/Mac OS/ and you have bzadmin, bzflag and bzfs ...? |
| 00:09.46 | QuickTim | yeah |
| 00:09.51 | CBG | When you finish configure and make, it will be like that. |
| 00:10.03 | QuickTim | so then how do i package it? |
| 00:10.14 | CBG | with xcode, iirc. |
| 00:10.32 | brlcad | the src/bzflag/bzflag is the same binary that is shoved into the .app structure at Contents/YadaYada/MacOS |
| 00:10.53 | QuickTim | so |
| 00:11.04 | QuickTim | could i take the shell of .4 or something |
| 00:11.13 | QuickTim | and shove the bzflag into the contents |
| 00:11.18 | *** join/#bzflag jbauman (i=Johnq@JBAUMAN.RES.cmu.edu) |
| 00:11.19 | brlcad | yep |
| 00:11.29 | QuickTim | and it becomes .6 even though its a .4 shell |
| 00:12.25 | QuickTim | i have something watching the feed on m.b.o... whould i change it to my.bzflag.bz? |
| 00:12.44 | blast007 | no |
| 00:12.48 | blast007 | the DNS will be updated |
| 00:12.59 | QuickTim | okay |
| 00:13.25 | blast007 | is .bz running the update script yet? |
| 00:13.48 | JeffM2501 | the entire web dir was copied |
| 00:13.54 | JeffM2501 | was it a cronjob? |
| 00:17.43 | blast007 | I think it just looped |
| 00:18.00 | JeffM2501 | then it may be running now |
| 00:18.31 | blast007 | not according to the last database update time |
| 00:18.56 | JeffM2501 | so somone just has to hit the page once to start it off? :) |
| 00:19.15 | blast007 | no, it's a perl script |
| 00:19.33 | JeffM2501 | oh |
| 00:19.36 | JeffM2501 | so it has to be run once |
| 00:19.43 | JeffM2501 | fire it off then :) |
| 00:22.16 | blast007 | ah, we need an extra perl module: |
| 00:22.21 | blast007 | BEGIN failed--compilation aborted at BZFlag/Info.pm |
| 00:24.15 | JeffM2501 | well let the man know what we need |
| 00:24.23 | bryjen | that would be the one mentioned on the stats page? ;) |
| 00:25.30 | brlcad | JeffM2501: haha *(re posting) |
| 00:25.30 | CIA-6 | BZFlag: 03jeffm2501 07playground_branch * 10bzflag/src/bzflag/ (HUDRenderer.cxx HUDRenderer.h): setup to use a seperate function to draw the "box" for experemental quality |
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| 00:26.18 | JeffM2501 | yay it went to branch |
| 00:26.24 | JeffM2501 | guess I just can't MAKE branches |
| 00:26.34 | brlcad | blast007: i _just_ deinstalled a slew of perl modules, let me know which module and I can restore it |
| 00:26.47 | blast007 | I think just BZFlag/Info.pm |
| 00:26.58 | blast007 | we'll see if it gives anything after that |
| 00:33.55 | QuickTim | i got two errors in Xcode |
| 00:33.57 | QuickTim | Tool:0: find: /Users/admin/cvs/bzflag/build/BZFlag.app/Contents/Resources/.: No such file or directory |
| 00:34.05 | QuickTim | that just twice |
| 00:39.48 | blast007 | brlcad: seems that Info.pm is inside the misc/ directory of the source |
| 00:39.54 | CBG | I'm trying to build 2.0.6 source, here is my utput: http://pastebin.ca/49678 |
| 00:40.08 | blast007 | misc/stats/Info.pm |
| 00:40.16 | QuickTim | i got to building it |
| 00:40.25 | QuickTim | but xcode made a not working program |
| 00:40.30 | QuickTim | oh wait |
| 00:40.35 | QuickTim | do i just copy the resources? |
| 00:43.12 | brlcad | QuickTim: read the mac readme if you haven't |
| 00:45.16 | CBG | Can anyone see why my configure and make doesnt want to work? |
| 00:45.33 | JeffM2501 | your computer lacks wang |
| 00:45.57 | CBG | That's an actual developer tool or something? |
| 00:46.05 | JeffM2501 | all things need wang |
| 00:46.25 | Aribeth | lol |
| 00:47.26 | JeffM2501 | it could also need fung shue |
| 00:47.35 | CBG | *sigh* |
| 00:47.35 | JeffM2501 | fung shue is the spice of life |
| 00:47.46 | brlcad | CBG: go to Apple's website and install the Quicktime downgrade |
| 00:47.59 | JeffM2501 | ahh his computer has too much wang |
| 00:47.59 | Aribeth | 0hm ohm ohm |
| 00:48.06 | QuickTim | never forget that you need to show your computer at least one reality show |
| 00:48.08 | brlcad | hehe |
| 00:48.19 | brlcad | wang |
| 00:48.37 | CBG | Quicktime...? |
| 00:48.42 | CBG | *sigh* |
| 00:49.06 | brlcad | CBG: really don't want to explain it, you can google for it if you like but downgrading quicktime will fix the problem (hence why apple provides it) |
| 00:49.26 | JeffM2501 | apple screwed up |
| 00:49.33 | QuickTim | yeah they did |
| 00:49.34 | JeffM2501 | you have to go back to an older one that worked |
| 00:49.36 | brlcad | how many times does apple provide a "downgrade" |
| 00:49.39 | JeffM2501 | apple lacks wang |
| 00:49.51 | CBG | *sigh* |
| 00:50.06 | QuickTim | CBG you need to get your computer wang |
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| 00:50.22 | Aribeth | !dict wang |
| 00:50.36 | Aribeth | oh poo |
| 00:50.38 | QuickTim | argooon's udict would be better |
| 00:50.54 | brlcad | you could say it has too little wang OR too much poo |
| 00:50.59 | blast007 | or worse...considering the word |
| 00:51.07 | Aribeth | lol |
| 00:52.35 | CIA-6 | BZFlag: 03jeffm2501 07playground_branch * 10bzflag/src/bzflag/ (HUDRenderer.cxx HUDRenderer.h): round is much cooler the square |
| 00:52.55 | CBG | Seriously, anyone got any ideas...? |
| 00:53.00 | Aribeth | no oval is way cooler :P |
| 00:53.13 | JeffM2501 | I tried that |
| 00:53.16 | JeffM2501 | it dodn't look good |
| 00:53.20 | Aribeth | ohh |
| 00:53.21 | JeffM2501 | not easy to see where you are shooting |
| 00:53.28 | Aribeth | ahh |
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| 00:56.20 | JeffM2501 | now to just younk the compas code from screamers |
| 00:56.39 | QuickTim | okay i used the code from iBot to download CVS |
| 00:56.47 | QuickTim | and the build recognizes as 2.0.5 |
| 00:56.54 | Aribeth | younk ? |
| 00:56.55 | QuickTim | is that supposed to be? |
| 00:56.56 | Aribeth | lol |
| 00:57.11 | JeffM2501 | yeah |
| 00:57.13 | JeffM2501 | cus cvs is old |
| 00:57.23 | JeffM2501 | sf hsn't synced in 3 weeks |
| 00:57.24 | JeffM2501 | maybe 4 |
| 00:57.38 | QuickTim | oh |
| 00:57.42 | JeffM2501 | the only place to get 2.0.6 is from the tarballs |
| 00:57.47 | QuickTim | link? |
| 00:57.53 | JeffM2501 | www.bzflag.org :) |
| 00:58.23 | brlcad | CBG: ideas? it wasn't an idea, it's the ONLY solution if you want to compile bzflag under 10.3 aside from compiling and installing every recursive dependency by hand |
| 00:58.37 | brlcad | for X11 |
| 00:59.08 | CBG | I seriously have to downgrade quicktime? |
| 00:59.13 | JeffM2501 | yes |
| 00:59.17 | brlcad | dear ghod man |
| 00:59.20 | JeffM2501 | just do it |
| 00:59.21 | brlcad | how many times |
| 00:59.25 | CBG | Ok... |
| 00:59.36 | brlcad | you're not loosing anything |
| 00:59.38 | CBG | What with all the "wang" stuff, I had no idea you were serious. |
| 00:59.44 | JeffM2501 | I wasn't |
| 00:59.45 | JeffM2501 | he was |
| 00:59.46 | CBG | I don;t use QT anyway, so fine. |
| 00:59.54 | JeffM2501 | SDL uses quicktime |
| 01:00.02 | JeffM2501 | your QT was linked to the wrong libs |
| 01:00.06 | JeffM2501 | that broke stuff |
| 01:00.11 | CBG | Well, I don;t use it in the pure sense of watching a movie in it... |
| 01:00.17 | JeffM2501 | downgrading it puts it back to the ones the rest of you system has |
| 01:00.26 | JeffM2501 | so you downgrade to fix it |
| 01:00.35 | JeffM2501 | Aribeth, round is better then square :) http://beta.bzflag.bz/images/clouds.jpg |
| 01:00.42 | brlcad | talking about the difference of 7.0.2 vs 7.0.4 |
| 01:01.05 | JeffM2501 | CBG, your other option is to upgrade to 10.4 |
| 01:01.41 | QuickTim | what is that? |
| 01:01.51 | CBG | That's not free, so not an option for me atm. |
| 01:01.52 | JeffM2501 | a jpeg |
| 01:01.53 | Aribeth | follow the link |
| 01:01.59 | QuickTim | yeah i know |
| 01:02.04 | QuickTim | thats not BZ is it? |
| 01:02.07 | JeffM2501 | CBG, then downgrade your damn quicktime |
| 01:02.09 | Aribeth | round is better |
| 01:02.11 | JeffM2501 | not yet |
| 01:02.20 | CBG | I am I am. |
| 01:02.25 | JeffM2501 | that is old |
| 01:02.29 | JeffM2501 | but the idea I'm going for |
| 01:02.34 | JeffM2501 | screamers has a better one |
| 01:03.47 | SportChick | JeffM2501: pm |
| 01:03.57 | JeffM2501 | ? |
| 01:06.36 | SportChick | ~jeffm2501++ |
| 01:06.45 | JeffM2501 | what I do? |
| 01:07.37 | SportChick | you helped me a lot today :) |
| 01:09.08 | JeffM2501 | if you say so :0 |
| 01:09.15 | B-Unit | :o |
| 01:09.16 | JeffM2501 | man why can't I type ) |
| 01:09.44 | CBG | NOT yay. |
| 01:09.50 | CBG | ooops :/ |
| 01:10.42 | SportChick | JeffM2501: gift horse...don't look! |
| 01:10.49 | *** join/#bzflag randomparticle (n=502abd6d@webchat.bzflag.bz) |
| 01:11.07 | blast007 | JeffM2501: I have a new phpBB with the attachment mod, the current template, and the CGI:IRC link |
| 01:11.23 | blast007 | just need to restrict the member list to registered users |
| 01:11.28 | randomparticle | hello |
| 01:11.42 | randomparticle | could you tell me if the spawn code in bzfs 2.0.6 is broken please? |
| 01:11.44 | blast007 | (and then do a little testing) |
| 01:11.54 | blast007 | randomparticle: yeah, it is |
| 01:11.57 | CBG | randomparticle: yep |
| 01:11.59 | randomparticle | in what way? |
| 01:12.10 | randomparticle | i notice tanks spawning right in front of me |
| 01:12.14 | brad2901 | you spawn next to enemies, very fun indeed |
| 01:12.17 | CBG | Players will all spawn really clsoe to each other. |
| 01:12.21 | randomparticle | no proximity check working>? |
| 01:12.24 | blast007 | it wasn't updating the player count in the spawn code, so it didn't run checks properly |
| 01:12.34 | CBG | It's known about and being fixed, last I heard. |
| 01:12.38 | blast007 | so it was basically random |
| 01:12.43 | blast007 | yeah, it was fixed already |
| 01:12.45 | blast007 | in 2.0.7 code |
| 01:12.48 | CBG | Argh! I cannot find QuickTime 7.0.2 for download _anywhere_. :/ |
| 01:12.57 | blast007 | but anon CVS isn't synced yet |
| 01:13.00 | CBG | whens 2.0.8 due...? |
| 01:13.10 | Aribeth | hah...apple strikes again |
| 01:13.12 | JeffM2501 | blast007, cool |
| 01:13.24 | JeffM2501 | I have to drive to frys now |
| 01:13.28 | blast007 | k |
| 01:13.31 | JeffM2501 | well ride |
| 01:13.37 | JeffM2501 | I hope it isn't windy |
| 01:14.57 | blast007 | CBG: 2.0.8 will be out when it's done, like usual :) |
| 01:15.02 | randomparticle | ok. thanks blast007 |
| 01:15.16 | randomparticle | we'll have to live on the edge for a bit at gu :) |
| 01:15.30 | CBG | blast007: I was kinda expecting it over this weekend just gone... :/ |
| 01:15.44 | CBG | randomparticle: yeah... gsl is always a bit slow making updates and such |
| 01:15.50 | CBG | this time he was pretty fast... :/ |
| 01:15.55 | CBG | just our luck, eh? :( |
| 01:16.50 | randomparticle | bye |
| 01:16.58 | *** part/#bzflag randomparticle (n=502abd6d@webchat.bzflag.bz) |
| 01:19.57 | CBG | Argh... Can't install 7.0.2 because 7.0.4 is present (even though I deleted it). :/ |
| 01:24.38 | bryjen | surely madness lies this way |
| 01:29.49 | Aribeth | it starting to sound like rpm |
| 01:29.51 | CBG | Can I do any harm by deleting all files that have "QuickTime" in their filenames from my system...? |
| 01:30.12 | QuickTim | not really |
| 01:30.16 | QuickTim | just remember the "e" |
| 01:30.16 | Aribeth | prolly not |
| 01:30.25 | QuickTim | nobody wants to delete me :( |
| 01:30.52 | QuickTim | ... |
| 01:32.16 | DTRemenak | rm -f QuickTim |
| 01:32.46 | QuickTim | 2... of 47 |
| 01:32.47 | Aribeth | rm -rf would be better |
| 01:32.58 | DTRemenak | do you really think he has subdirectories? |
| 01:33.04 | QuickTim | i do |
| 01:33.05 | Aribeth | he might |
| 01:33.06 | DTRemenak | I figured he's just a file |
| 01:33.11 | QuickTim | QuickTim/ego |
| 01:33.15 | QuickTim | QuickTim/brain |
| 01:33.22 | QuickTim | QuickTim/speeeling |
| 01:33.29 | QuickTim | QuickTim/Mac |
| 01:33.32 | DTRemenak | fine - sudo rm -rf QuickTim |
| 01:33.34 | Aribeth | QquickTim/Id |
| 01:33.36 | CBG | that brain one's empty... - try QuickTim/wtf though |
| 01:33.46 | QuickTim | oh yes and |
| 01:34.02 | QuickTim | QuickTim/listofloosers.txt |
| 01:34.13 | Aribeth | lol |
| 01:34.20 | blast007 | echo QuickTim > listofloosers.txt |
| 01:34.21 | blast007 | ;) |
| 01:34.29 | QuickTim | wait |
| 01:34.30 | Aribeth | hehe |
| 01:34.34 | QuickTim | are we in php or terminal |
| 01:34.36 | Aribeth | too late |
| 01:34.49 | blast007 | terminal :) |
| 01:34.56 | QuickTim | gah |
| 01:35.00 | QuickTim | i dont know much terminal |
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| 01:35.11 | QuickTim | nano QuickTim/listofloosers.txt |
| 01:35.15 | QuickTim | Blast007 |
| 01:35.17 | QuickTim | SmartKid |
| 01:35.22 | QuickTim | ---- End |
| 01:35.23 | QuickTim | :) |
| 01:35.24 | Aribeth | the terminal is your friend |
| 01:35.31 | QuickTim | im a GUI |
| 01:35.43 | Aribeth | sad |
| 01:35.45 | QuickTim | yeh |
| 01:35.51 | Aribeth | poor gui |
| 01:36.06 | QuickTim | but last time i tried command line on another computer |
| 01:36.08 | QuickTim | i killed it |
| 01:36.12 | CBG | ok, I just deleted all 100 QuickTime items on my system... lets hope it doesnt explode |
| 01:36.24 | DTRemenak | ~explode CBG's computer |
| 01:36.26 | ibot | ACTION blows up CBG's computer with bombs |
| 01:36.26 | blast007 | sudo chown root:root QuickTim/listofloosers.txt && sudo echo QuickTim > QuickTim/listofloosers.txt |
| 01:36.26 | Aribeth | poof |
| 01:36.32 | CBG | weeee :D |
| 01:36.39 | QuickTim | blast, no idea what that does |
| 01:36.41 | blast007 | QuickTim: try editing it now ;D |
| 01:36.53 | Aribeth | whoa |
| 01:37.06 | CBG | wtf??? it says I still have 7.0.4 installed>!>!!?!? |
| 01:37.10 | blast007 | heh |
| 01:37.12 | DTRemenak | hahaha |
| 01:37.20 | DTRemenak | you need to let the magic smoke out |
| 01:37.26 | CBG | .............. |
| 01:37.27 | blast007 | now try playing a .mov file ;) |
| 01:37.29 | Aribeth | you prolly have it registered in the package db |
| 01:37.59 | Aribeth | system = broked |
| 01:38.25 | Aribeth | try smoking a peace pipe with your computer |
| 01:38.36 | blast007 | or beating it with a stick |
| 01:38.39 | QuickTim | CBG, maybe not dropping it so much would help |
| 01:38.48 | Aribeth | it may not help , but you might feel better :P |
| 01:39.26 | Aribeth | echo QuickTim > /dev/null |
| 01:39.59 | CBG | How do I rm a firectory? |
| 01:40.23 | Nidhoggr | if it's not empty, rm -rf dirname |
| 01:40.25 | Aribeth | rm -match |
| 01:40.27 | CBG | a directory* |
| 01:40.33 | Aribeth | lol |
| 01:40.36 | CBG | thanks Nidhoggr |
| 01:40.42 | CBG | lol Aribeth \ |
| 01:40.48 | QuickTim | http://my.bzflag.org/bb/profile.php?mode=viewprofile&u=10616 |
| 01:40.56 | Aribeth | :P |
| 01:40.57 | QuickTim | woops wrong window |
| 01:41.10 | Nidhoggr | well, looks like tim didn't show up today to move stuff over. |
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| 01:42.23 | QuickTim | so night is the time you guys are all on.. |
| 01:43.10 | Aribeth | nope...its early morning |
| 01:43.49 | QuickTim | 9:43 for moi, im never up as long as CBG |
| 01:44.02 | CBG | its not even 3AM sheesh |
| 01:44.22 | CBG | I'd stay up till about 7AM were it not for parents and the such... |
| 01:44.25 | DTRemenak | Nidhoggr: he did show up. Dunno if he actually moved things or not. |
| 01:44.27 | Aribeth | the night is young |
| 01:44.33 | DTRemenak | <TimRiker> k. alias my.bzflag.org to bzflag.bz? are stats running there? ie: bzupdate.pl ? |
| 01:44.34 | CBG | I'd live in Central US time ... |
| 01:44.59 | QuickTim | yikes |
| 01:45.03 | QuickTim | i hardly stay in eastern |
| 01:45.05 | CBG | there are NO quicktime files left on this machine, wtf does the installer insist there is...? |
| 01:45.05 | QuickTim | and thats where i am |
| 01:45.10 | CBG | lol QuickTim |
| 01:45.24 | QuickTim | CBG did you get invisibles? |
| 01:45.27 | Aribeth | its registered in a package database |
| 01:45.40 | CBG | I got every file that I found... :/ |
| 01:45.54 | Aribeth | its in the db file |
| 01:45.55 | blast007 | is there a way to uninstall stuff? :P |
| 01:45.59 | QuickTim | was |
| 01:46.04 | QuickTim | if he didnt remove EVERYTHING |
| 01:46.08 | blast007 | lol |
| 01:46.09 | QuickTim | you can put in the install cd |
| 01:46.12 | QuickTim | get the recipt |
| 01:46.13 | CBG | blast007: I wish |
| 01:46.14 | Aribeth | prolly will choke if he tried to uninstall |
| 01:46.16 | QuickTim | and it will remove it properly |
| 01:47.03 | CBG | probably totally screwed now... |
| 01:47.06 | brlcad | ehm, you shouldn't be manually deleting quicktime |
| 01:47.07 | QuickTim | yeah |
| 01:47.14 | bryjen | at this point, he may need to re-install to get it back to proper, and the, oh, maybe, *read* something to find the correct uninstall procedure |
| 01:47.21 | brlcad | there's a downgrade installer that does it for you |
| 01:47.29 | QuickTim | no he cant reinstall back to proper |
| 01:47.30 | CBG | brlcad: I tried to install 7.0.2 and it said that 7.0.4 was installed, so I deleted it. :/ |
| 01:47.32 | QuickTim | he has those other files |
| 01:47.36 | CBG | brlcad: I can;t find it. |
| 01:47.37 | brlcad | i didn't say install 7.0.2 |
| 01:48.15 | CBG | [1:47am] <brlcad> CBG: go to Apple's website and install the Quicktime downgrade |
| 01:48.16 | brlcad | well you need to keep looking |
| 01:48.27 | brlcad | yes, do you see "install 7.0.2" on that line? |
| 01:48.29 | CBG | [2:00am] <brlcad> talking about the difference of 7.0.2 vs 7.0.4 |
| 01:48.38 | CBG | but, whatever. |
| 01:48.45 | brlcad | I dont see "install 7.0.2" on that line either |
| 01:48.58 | brlcad | i do, however, see "install the quicktime downgrade" |
| 01:49.08 | CBG | I didnt find such a thing. |
| 01:49.15 | brlcad | so you need to keep looking |
| 01:49.37 | CBG | I am, but I spent 30 mins already. |
| 01:49.38 | brlcad | i'm not going to find it for you, it's there -- try google try wording variations |
| 01:49.55 | CBG | Searching apple and google for "Quicktime downgrade" and the link revealed nothing. |
| 01:50.42 | CBG | I can get back to 7.0.1 - will that do? |
| 01:50.51 | bryjen | odd, fifth google hit here: "Will remove QuickTime 7.0.4 from Mac OS X and restore QuickTime 7.0.1" |
| 01:51.04 | bryjen | http://www.apple.com/support/downloads/quicktime701reinstallerforquicktime704.html |
| 01:51.08 | DTRemenak | first hit from their knowledgebase too |
| 01:51.22 | CBG | I had been looking for 2.0.4. |
| 01:51.28 | CBG | ugh, 7.0.2 rather. |
| 01:51.29 | Aribeth | hazani...his eyes open |
| 01:51.30 | bryjen | descriptive URL too |
| 01:51.46 | bryjen | Aribeth: and cbg, his mind shut |
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| 01:52.13 | CBG | I had been looking for 7.0.2. |
| 01:52.17 | Aribeth | loll |
| 01:52.32 | CBG | And a "downgrader", but nevermind. Thanks everyone... |
| 01:52.51 | QuickTim | lol guys |
| 01:52.52 | QuickTim | wtf |
| 01:52.55 | QuickTim | i got it to compile |
| 01:53.02 | bryjen | CBG: you have assu-ed |
| 01:53.03 | QuickTim | and i just discovered QT 7.0.4 |
| 01:53.17 | QuickTim | why are we making CBG do this? |
| 01:53.23 | CBG | QuickTim: omgwtfbtwlolrofl |
| 01:53.50 | Aribeth | the force is weak with CBG |
| 01:53.58 | bryjen | QuickTim: what OSX vers? |
| 01:54.05 | QuickTim | 10.4.6 |
| 01:54.16 | bryjen | CBG has an older one |
| 01:54.32 | QuickTim | yeaaaahhh? |
| 01:54.36 | bryjen | new quicktime + old osx = bad for compiling |
| 01:55.01 | Nidhoggr | according to dig, the nameservice hasn't changed. |
| 01:55.16 | bryjen | !lart TimRiker |
| 01:55.21 | QuickTim | CBG + $119 = OS X Upgrade |
| 01:55.32 | CBG | $120? are you nuts? |
| 01:55.36 | bryjen | QuickTim: is your check in the mail? |
| 01:55.37 | CBG | you think i'm made of $$$ ? |
| 01:55.47 | bryjen | guu: hello |
| 01:55.47 | guu | hiya bryjen! Good to see you! |
| 01:55.51 | QuickTim | win a couple more of those contests |
| 01:55.54 | Aribeth | thats what he told the union man |
| 01:55.58 | Aribeth | :P |
| 01:56.01 | bryjen | guu: lart TimRiker |
| 01:56.18 | bryjen | eeep! now it'll never move ;) |
| 01:56.20 | CBG | QuickTim: and until then...? |
| 01:56.28 | CBG | +lart bryjen |
| 01:56.32 | QuickTim | heh... sux for CBG |
| 01:56.46 | CBG | QuickTim: nah, seems to be all a-ok now |
| 01:56.57 | CBG | thanks to all the sexy people here. :| |
| 01:56.59 | QuickTim | wow that last lart was lame |
| 01:57.03 | Aribeth | CBG...his eyes open |
| 01:57.17 | Aribeth | anytime baybe |
| 01:57.20 | Aribeth | :P |
| 01:57.33 | CBG | thin ice there, Aribeth ;) |
| 01:57.46 | QuickTim | when i first went into the mofo project they had me convinced CBG was gay |
| 01:57.46 | Aribeth | you aint seen my pic |
| 01:57.55 | CBG | QuickTim: I am... |
| 01:58.18 | QuickTim | oh, so thats why.... |
| 01:58.23 | QuickTim | oh... that answers |
| 01:58.25 | QuickTim | oh. |
| 01:58.25 | blast007 | ... |
| 01:58.39 | CBG | QuickTim: stop spamming up the channel, baby. |
| 01:58.57 | QuickTim | CBG stop it, dont tell them |
| 01:59.16 | Aribeth | tell, tell |
| 01:59.19 | QuickTim | lol |
| 01:59.26 | QuickTim | perfect time to have Colloquy fail |
| 01:59.36 | blast007 | it wasn't a crash |
| 01:59.42 | blast007 | the client quit :) |
| 02:00.03 | QuickTim | i dunno, Colloquy sucks like that |
| 02:00.13 | blast007 | random /quit's? |
| 02:00.17 | QuickTim | i counts characters sent |
| 02:00.24 | QuickTim | and quits ever 5000 |
| 02:00.33 | blast007 | so, what, it's a demo? |
| 02:00.36 | QuickTim | naw |
| 02:00.39 | QuickTim | its just crap |
| 02:00.43 | blast007 | sounds like it to me |
| 02:00.46 | blast007 | if it counts |
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| 02:08.52 | SportChick | hrm, is the ducati league server in the process of being moved right now? |
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| 02:09.15 | Death_Barrel | looks like it :) |
| 02:10.39 | SportChick | k - was wondering about that odd looking page I got when I tried to connect |
| 02:10.42 | Death_Barrel | hey anyone know where i am supposed to go to complain? |
| 02:10.44 | CBG | Ok, since I already tried to build the source, will it be ok to try to use it again? |
| 02:10.53 | CBG | Death_Barrel: the moon. |
| 02:11.06 | Death_Barrel | CBG: no its broken after your first build |
| 02:11.08 | Death_Barrel | :) |
| 02:11.12 | Death_Barrel | you have to start all over |
| 02:11.18 | blast007 | hehe |
| 02:11.26 | Death_Barrel | hey blast |
| 02:11.28 | Death_Barrel | hehe |
| 02:11.37 | CBG | Do I need to run autogen again? |
| 02:11.44 | Death_Barrel | no no |
| 02:11.54 | blast007 | CBG: have you even TRIED to run make again, and see if it works? |
| 02:11.56 | Death_Barrel | you should be alright just running make again |
| 02:12.11 | CBG | JUST make? |
| 02:12.14 | Death_Barrel | yep |
| 02:12.28 | CBG | it took about an hour last time, I don't wanna have to "try" this and that... |
| 02:12.38 | blast007 | worst case, is what, it doesn't works? :) |
| 02:12.44 | blast007 | work* |
| 02:12.44 | Death_Barrel | since this is my first time to tattletail, i was wondering where i should do this, since it seems to be the way to do things these days, i might as well get onboard right? |
| 02:13.22 | CBG | blast007: yeah, and I will have wasted an hour |
| 02:13.39 | blast007 | CBG: builds on my linux box take 12 hours so :P :) |
| 02:13.48 | CBG | whats that 1 byte of RAM? |
| 02:13.57 | blast007 | 32MB, so it swaps like crazy |
| 02:14.01 | CBG | s/that/that,/ |
| 02:14.08 | Death_Barrel | oh im sorry blast :( |
| 02:14.10 | CBG | blast007: eesh :( |
| 02:14.39 | orange | Death_Barrel: there are people here who will listen to you if you have something to say |
| 02:14.53 | Death_Barrel | hey orange, long time long time |
| 02:14.55 | blast007 | doesn't really matter :) my laptop can compile it faster using VMWare |
| 02:15.22 | Death_Barrel | so should i tattletail in public? or in pm with you? |
| 02:15.30 | Death_Barrel | i just want to make sure i do this right |
| 02:15.35 | Death_Barrel | i plan on getting really good at it |
| 02:15.53 | CBG | Hopefully it wont take an hour with the right SDL (or whatever it was I had to downgrade QuickTime for). I remmeber 2.0.3 only used to take 20mins. |
| 02:17.02 | CBG | Well well already done, and is looking good. |
| 02:17.26 | orange | your point is made, Death_Barrel, you're not happy about people complaining about you |
| 02:17.34 | Death_Barrel | no no |
| 02:17.37 | Death_Barrel | i am serious |
| 02:17.44 | Death_Barrel | i want to start tattleing now |
| 02:17.45 | orange | you can decide how you want to proceed |
| 02:18.09 | Death_Barrel | i just want to make sure its done the correct way, it seems there is some form i need to fill out for this action? |
| 02:18.17 | Death_Barrel | it is tax season you know ;) |
| 02:18.54 | CBG | Yep, all works fine, thanks to everyone who helped, really. ;) |
| 02:19.02 | orange | I'm not going to dignify this game anymore. If you have something to say, make your point to whomever you feel is appropriate. |
| 02:19.33 | Death_Barrel | who will play the mommy/daddy role when i tattle? |
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| 02:20.03 | Death_Barrel | hmmm |
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| 02:35.15 | brlcad | Aribeth has a pic? :) |
| 02:35.59 | Aribeth | pic? |
| 02:36.04 | bryjen | programmable interrupt controller? |
| 02:36.05 | Aribeth | ohh, yes |
| 02:36.43 | Aribeth | hehe |
| 02:36.46 | Aribeth | picture |
| 02:36.51 | brlcad | :) |
| 02:37.17 | Aribeth | hehe |
| 02:38.26 | Aribeth | hummm |
| 02:39.08 | A_Meteorite | JeffM2501: ping |
| 02:39.19 | bryjen | A_Meteorite: no route to host |
| 02:39.24 | A_Meteorite | aw |
| 02:39.35 | A_Meteorite | Well, can someone else make groups at the bzbb? |
| 02:39.48 | A_Meteorite | I posted one request a long time ago |
| 02:39.53 | A_Meteorite | and another just now |
| 02:39.55 | bryjen | isn't there a topic.... |
| 02:39.59 | A_Meteorite | Yes |
| 02:40.15 | A_Meteorite | And Jeff didn't make even other people's gruops |
| 02:41.42 | bryjen | yeesh |
| 02:42.27 | Aribeth | reading aincent scrolls? :p |
| 02:44.58 | SportChick | brlcad: is there something I need to do to get the ducati site to resolve properly? or is it still in mid-move? |
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| 02:58.56 | CBG | http://my.bzflag.bz/league/ --> Uh oh? |
| 02:59.54 | Aribeth | ahh, nice page |
| 03:00.12 | CBG | ooh, it's .bz - they musta changed servers now |
| 03:01.36 | brlcad | i'm in the middle of stuff |
| 03:01.46 | CBG | Ok, sorry... |
| 03:01.47 | bryjen | ~nslookup my.bzflag.org |
| 03:01.53 | bryjen | ~nslookup my.bzflag.bz |
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| 03:13.28 | *** mode/#bzflag [+o JeffM2501] by ChanServ |
| 03:17.26 | JeffM2501 | mmmm 3 gigs of ram :) |
| 03:18.18 | orange | is that just so firefox can grow for a few extra days before you start swapping? ;-) |
| 03:18.27 | JeffM2501 | so who got "smartkid" all up in a huff on the froums? |
| 03:18.49 | JeffM2501 | they had a 2 gig kit on sale for 139 |
| 03:18.56 | JeffM2501 | and now all my ram is the same "clock" |
| 03:19.19 | orange | I'd love to have the extra.. I can't believe I swap even with 1G |
| 03:19.32 | CBG | JeffM2501: I'll admit, I wasn't especially friendly... |
| 03:19.43 | JeffM2501 | why you gots to be bastages? |
| 03:19.59 | CBG | Sorry. |
| 03:20.10 | JeffM2501 | tho I aplaud you for taking it up in a PM with him |
| 03:20.18 | JeffM2501 | cus that dude posted a LOT |
| 03:20.20 | CBG | Ugh, that wasn't me... |
| 03:20.28 | JeffM2501 | oh |
| 03:20.30 | JeffM2501 | well |
| 03:20.32 | JeffM2501 | then you suck |
| 03:20.33 | JeffM2501 | ;) |
| 03:20.36 | orange | lol |
| 03:20.43 | CBG | I just replied to a few of his posts such as "true" and "sigh" with "Thanks for another useful post!"... |
| 03:20.50 | CBG | he got in a huff, so I argued with him... |
| 03:20.57 | JeffM2501 | adding another useless post |
| 03:20.57 | CBG | others joined in - they PMd him. |
| 03:21.02 | JeffM2501 | yeah I deleted all that crap |
| 03:21.09 | CBG | Yeah, of cours.e.. |
| 03:21.16 | CBG | but how else would he get the message? |
| 03:21.16 | JeffM2501 | you sir need to think before you hit the send button |
| 03:21.19 | JeffM2501 | in a PM |
| 03:21.25 | CBG | It was too late for me to think of a PM. |
| 03:21.29 | JeffM2501 | no it wasn't |
| 03:21.30 | CBG | I let it drop at about 4AM. |
| 03:21.42 | CBG | Too late as in, 2 AM and I wasnt thinking right. |
| 03:21.45 | JeffM2501 | you should have let it drop before it started |
| 03:21.55 | JeffM2501 | that isn't a valid reason |
| 03:22.01 | JeffM2501 | like I care what time it is "there" |
| 03:22.07 | CBG | Heh... |
| 03:22.13 | JeffM2501 | if your too tied to post right, then guess what, just don't post |
| 03:22.30 | JeffM2501 | "sorry I hit those kidds officer, I was just too tired and drunk to drive right" |
| 03:23.02 | CBG | I was too tired to think "Hm, lets send a PM instead of adding to the useless posts..." |
| 03:23.11 | CBG | Or just too stupid, dunno which. |
| 03:23.18 | JeffM2501 | so what you did.. you added another useless post |
| 03:23.37 | JeffM2501 | but still it didn't seem like anyting to get his panties in a wad |
| 03:23.38 | CBG | yeah... 4 of those "thanks for another useless post" ones |
| 03:23.44 | CBG | and then heck lods of arguing ones |
| 03:23.46 | JeffM2501 | just drama queen |
| 03:24.02 | JeffM2501 | oh, blast007 I made one OTHER mod to the forums |
| 03:24.21 | JeffM2501 | the "can send private messages" was changed to "can send messages" and if they ain't got it, they can't send ANY posts |
| 03:24.55 | orange | the hush button? |
| 03:25.01 | JeffM2501 | yeah :) |
| 03:25.14 | JeffM2501 | some people are fine to play the game, but don't have the maturity to post on the forums |
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| 03:26.48 | JeffM2501 | yay .bz forums work |
| 03:26.52 | JeffM2501 | time for a move over :) |
| 03:27.47 | JeffM2501 | brlcad, am I good to move the database one more time? |
| 03:50.35 | JeffM2501 | boards are down now |
| 03:50.35 | JeffM2501 | how do I put an HTTP redirect in a page? |
| 03:50.35 | bryjen | <meta http-equiv="Refresh" content="5;url=http://www.domain.com/link.html"> in the head section |
| 03:50.35 | JeffM2501 | and how can I clear out a database that has tables and data in it? |
| 03:50.35 | JeffM2501 | form the command line |
| 03:50.35 | Death_Barrel | mysql drop db :D |
| 03:50.35 | JeffM2501 | thanks bryjen |
| 03:50.35 | JeffM2501 | do I have to create it again? |
| 03:50.35 | JeffM2501 | I just want to empy it |
| 03:50.35 | JeffM2501 | cus I'm gonna refill it |
| 03:50.35 | JeffM2501 | cus I don't know if my db user has perms to make |
| 03:50.35 | JeffM2501 | <PROTECTED> |
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| 03:50.44 | JeffM2501 | yeah dosn't look like I have perms to create |
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| 04:02.56 | JeffM2501 | that's not menotume |
| 04:06.11 | JeffM2501 | L4m3r, know how to empty a database with out deleting the entire thing? |
| 04:06.13 | Death_Barrel | hey jeff: i am on this server now, and i just heard Mikkel say the "S" word |
| 04:06.25 | JeffM2501 | umm ok |
| 04:06.34 | JeffM2501 | take it up with that server's admin team |
| 04:06.36 | L4m3r | Jeff: TRUNCATE TABLE <table name> |
| 04:06.38 | JeffM2501 | I'm not your mom |
| 04:06.56 | Death_Barrel | hehe, who usually plays the mommy role? |
| 04:06.57 | L4m3r | that'll empty out the table... I dunno about the rest |
| 04:06.59 | JeffM2501 | L4m3r, I want to do it for all the tables in the db, but not |
| 04:07.10 | JeffM2501 | Death_Barrel, it's not our job to admin individual servers |
| 04:07.17 | JeffM2501 | take it up with the admin staff of that server |
| 04:07.21 | Death_Barrel | but you take complaints right? |
| 04:07.28 | L4m3r | if you run the SQL dump it should delete all the tables and re-create them |
| 04:07.31 | JeffM2501 | from server admins yes |
| 04:07.36 | Death_Barrel | ah ok then |
| 04:07.41 | JeffM2501 | if the complaints become network wide, then yes |
| 04:07.46 | JeffM2501 | then we do something |
| 04:07.56 | JeffM2501 | run the what l3 |
| 04:07.58 | JeffM2501 | l4 |
| 04:08.05 | JeffM2501 | I have a dump of the bzbb |
| 04:08.09 | Death_Barrel | ok i was on another server and he said another bad word also there too |
| 04:08.11 | JeffM2501 | I want to put it into the new db |
| 04:08.24 | L4m3r | usually the .sql backups are just long sets of SQL statements |
| 04:08.31 | JeffM2501 | Death_Barrel, your just as bad as he is if your gonna go down this nictpick route |
| 04:08.40 | Death_Barrel | lol |
| 04:08.44 | JeffM2501 | and THAT will get you in a not good way |
| 04:08.46 | JeffM2501 | understand |
| 04:08.49 | L4m3r | and they will delete a table and re-create it before inserting data... try opening it with a text editor |
| 04:08.49 | Death_Barrel | hey, i might as well jump on the bandwagon right? |
| 04:08.52 | JeffM2501 | now stop bugging me about little crap |
| 04:08.58 | JeffM2501 | Death_Barrel, don't be an ass |
| 04:09.00 | Death_Barrel | lol |
| 04:09.02 | JeffM2501 | seriously |
| 04:09.07 | *** kick/#bzflag [Death_Barrel!n=JeffM@pdpc/supporter/sustaining/JeffM2501] by JeffM2501 (JeffM2501) |
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| 04:09.27 | JeffM2501 | it's a 100 meg file :) |
| 04:09.39 | L4m3r | yeah, it'll take a minute. :P use wordpad. |
| 04:09.55 | JeffM2501 | I don't have it local |
| 04:09.56 | bryjen | you've got 3gb of ram to burn, no? ;) |
| 04:10.02 | JeffM2501 | it's on the server |
| 04:10.05 | L4m3r | oh |
| 04:10.13 | JeffM2501 | it just starts with "Create table" |
| 04:10.15 | JeffM2501 | no delete |
| 04:10.21 | L4m3r | o rly? that's odd |
| 04:10.33 | L4m3r | then just run DROP TABLE for each one? :\ |
| 04:10.42 | JeffM2501 | that's a lot of tables |
| 04:10.48 | L4m3r | do you have SSH to the server? |
| 04:10.52 | JeffM2501 | yeah |
| 04:10.58 | JeffM2501 | but no perms to create a db |
| 04:11.03 | L4m3r | hm... |
| 04:11.10 | L4m3r | maybe try DROP TABLE * |
| 04:11.22 | L4m3r | you're in the mysql console, I take it? |
| 04:12.10 | JeffM2501 | says it didn't like the syntax near the * |
| 04:13.41 | JeffM2501 | is there a way to just dump structure? |
| 04:13.46 | JeffM2501 | and not data? |
| 04:13.51 | L4m3r | not that I know of |
| 04:14.01 | JeffM2501 | cus that would make a smaller dump :) |
| 04:14.23 | L4m3r | I'm looking, and as far as I can tell the only way to empty a db is to drop it :| |
| 04:14.45 | JeffM2501 | and then I'm screwed cus I can make it again |
| 04:15.02 | JeffM2501 | just have to wait for brlcad then |
| 04:15.26 | L4m3r | you can do multiple tables by listing out names :\ |
| 04:16.06 | captrespect | JeffM501, what are you trying to do? |
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| 04:16.37 | JeffM2501 | delete all the data in a dabase so I can restore it from a dump |
| 04:16.43 | JeffM2501 | so we can have forums again |
| 04:16.46 | blast007 | you can drop each table individually |
| 04:16.46 | captrespect | just drop the database |
| 04:16.50 | DTRemenak | you can't drop database? |
| 04:16.52 | JeffM2501 | I don't have perms to make it again |
| 04:17.05 | captrespect | well then you are screwed, get some permission |
| 04:17.10 | captrespect | do you have admin rights? |
| 04:17.14 | captrespect | or root? |
| 04:17.14 | JeffM2501 | no |
| 04:17.16 | JeffM2501 | nope |
| 04:17.19 | JeffM2501 | not my server |
| 04:17.25 | JeffM2501 | tis bzflag.bz :) |
| 04:17.25 | DTRemenak | this on .bz? |
| 04:17.29 | JeffM2501 | yeah |
| 04:17.40 | JeffM2501 | you have perms DTRemenak ? |
| 04:17.43 | captrespect | how many tables are there? |
| 04:17.49 | JeffM2501 | many |
| 04:17.57 | captrespect | 5? 10? 100? |
| 04:18.03 | DTRemenak | I think so |
| 04:18.04 | JeffM2501 | probalby 30-50 |
| 04:18.17 | JeffM2501 | DTRemenak, I have the last bzbb db to redo |
| 04:18.29 | JeffM2501 | I just need the db "bzbb" blown out and empy |
| 04:18.39 | captrespect | you could just run a delete * from tablename for each table, then use the database dump to insert them back |
| 04:18.46 | JeffM2501 | then my sqldump can remake all the tables |
| 04:18.57 | JeffM2501 | if dtr has perms that'll be easyer |
| 04:19.03 | captrespect | yeah |
| 04:19.13 | JeffM2501 | oh and DTRemenak 2 gigs of PC3200, 139! |
| 04:19.23 | L4m3r | from the SQL syntax it says you can do DROP TABLE table1, table2, table3... |
| 04:19.25 | DTRemenak | at fry's? |
| 04:19.25 | captrespect | check if you have access to the mysql database |
| 04:19.31 | JeffM2501 | yeah at fry's |
| 04:19.34 | JeffM2501 | ends tomorow |
| 04:19.36 | DTRemenak | and same time as that 3000 deal? |
| 04:19.40 | JeffM2501 | yeah |
| 04:19.42 | L4m3r | what brand? |
| 04:19.47 | JeffM2501 | 119 for the mobo and CPU |
| 04:19.49 | DTRemenak | dang, gonna have to go pick me up some hardware |
| 04:19.52 | JeffM2501 | L4m3r, patriot |
| 04:19.53 | L4m3r | lol |
| 04:19.57 | L4m3r | not bad |
| 04:20.01 | JeffM2501 | not at all |
| 04:20.13 | JeffM2501 | it may be an AGP mobo |
| 04:20.17 | DTRemenak | JeffM2501: only database I show is "test" |
| 04:20.22 | DTRemenak | am I doing something wrong? |
| 04:20.29 | JeffM2501 | how are you looking? |
| 04:20.36 | DTRemenak | mysql, show databases; |
| 04:20.37 | L4m3r | I paid like... $110 for a dual-channel gig of corsair XMS |
| 04:20.48 | JeffM2501 | just see if you can do this, mysqladmin drop bzbb |
| 04:20.53 | JeffM2501 | then mysqladmin create bzbb |
| 04:20.55 | L4m3r | and that was actually a good price o_O |
| 04:21.10 | JeffM2501 | 1 gig has been a bit under 100$ for a while |
| 04:21.21 | JeffM2501 | that's what I paid for my first 2 gigs |
| 04:22.13 | L4m3r | yeah, most of the dual-channel pairs were around $90~100 |
| 04:22.20 | DTRemenak | :S |
| 04:22.36 | DTRemenak | doesn't work |
| 04:22.57 | L4m3r | but my pair was the only one in that range that wasn't a "value" series or some generic chinktech crap :P |
| 04:22.59 | JeffM2501 | well let me see if I can do a search and replace in the dump and put a table drop before each one |
| 04:23.05 | DTRemenak | is there a db user? |
| 04:23.08 | JeffM2501 | yeah |
| 04:23.10 | DTRemenak | or something? |
| 04:23.17 | JeffM2501 | but I checkd it dosn't have create perms |
| 04:23.19 | DTRemenak | Access denied for user 'root'@'localhost' |
| 04:23.31 | DTRemenak | with sudo |
| 04:23.37 | DTRemenak | not real root |
| 04:23.42 | L4m3r | yeah, a lot of mysql installations won't let you do that... |
| 04:23.47 | JeffM2501 | probalby didn't do a root user in the db |
| 04:23.51 | JeffM2501 | a good thing techincaly |
| 04:23.53 | L4m3r | same with a lot of ftp daemons |
| 04:24.00 | DTRemenak | L4m3r: how can I drop a db then? |
| 04:24.21 | L4m3r | use the mysql user, or a system user I think |
| 04:24.23 | captrespect | it doesn't use the system root, it's its own root. |
| 04:25.10 | JeffM2501 | well I'll just do em manauly |
| 04:25.27 | L4m3r | I can't remember the way to look at what tables there are |
| 04:25.35 | L4m3r | but you can do it all in one statement |
| 04:25.49 | JeffM2501 | I'm geting them all from the dump |
| 04:26.15 | captrespect | make sure you have a create table permission |
| 04:26.27 | JeffM2501 | I do |
| 04:26.33 | JeffM2501 | I filled out the db the first time |
| 04:26.47 | DTRemenak | hmph. my connection to .bz just died and I can't reconnect |
| 04:27.11 | DTRemenak | ah, there we go |
| 04:27.37 | captrespect | 'show tables' will give you the list of tables; |
| 04:27.39 | L4m3r | Jeff: SHOW TABLES |
| 04:27.42 | L4m3r | lol capt |
| 04:27.49 | blast007 | hehe, I was just about to type that too :P |
| 04:27.53 | L4m3r | lol |
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| 04:31.25 | JeffM2501 | well there's tim at least :) |
| 04:31.53 | L4m3r | better late than never? (please don't kill me) :P |
| 04:32.11 | JeffM2501 | actualy he's perfectly on time |
| 04:32.16 | JeffM2501 | I'll be ready to move soon |
| 04:32.22 | JeffM2501 | and the rest is moved over |
| 04:32.58 | L4m3r | hehe |
| 04:33.18 | L4m3r | you guys just made it sound like he was MIA, lol |
| 04:33.41 | L4m3r | but then it WAS easter... |
| 04:33.49 | JeffM2501 | and the weekend |
| 04:34.17 | brlcad | sudo is real root :P |
| 04:34.38 | JeffM2501 | he lives |
| 04:34.43 | brlcad | but mysql's root isn't the same of course |
| 04:34.52 | JeffM2501 | dude can you clear out the bzbb one |
| 04:34.56 | brlcad | menotume has the mysqladmin power |
| 04:34.57 | JeffM2501 | then I'll be good to go |
| 04:35.07 | JeffM2501 | yeah but you showed up first :) |
| 04:35.18 | brlcad | and now dtr does too |
| 04:35.51 | brlcad | i've been here all evening .. still working on php |
| 04:35.57 | JeffM2501 | ahh |
| 04:36.08 | JeffM2501 | well I was gonna move the forums over |
| 04:36.13 | JeffM2501 | the basics seem to work |
| 04:36.26 | brlcad | heh, they don't work right now :) |
| 04:36.31 | DTRemenak | ah, ok, I see now - thx brlcad :) |
| 04:37.08 | DTRemenak | JeffM2501: you still want bzbb dropped? |
| 04:37.17 | JeffM2501 | yeah |
| 04:37.21 | JeffM2501 | I'll need it at some poiint |
| 04:37.26 | JeffM2501 | main bb is down |
| 04:37.32 | JeffM2501 | so may as well move the data over |
| 04:37.34 | DTRemenak | k, there you go. bzbb is blank |
| 04:37.38 | JeffM2501 | thanks |
| 04:38.02 | L4m3r | so is the .org DNS change pending? |
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| 04:38.41 | JeffM2501 | prolly not |
| 04:38.49 | L4m3r | lol |
| 04:39.34 | JeffM2501 | gotta mod my LM hosts to move the DB right :) |
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| 04:42.33 | JeffM2501 | well I can always work on the hud whilst I wait :) |
| 04:46.43 | deadman | silly question, is there a masterbot? |
| 04:46.56 | JeffM2501 | ahh the sweet musical stylings of one Mr. Kip Winger. |
| 04:47.09 | JeffM2501 | "a" masterbot? |
| 04:47.13 | JeffM2501 | there is a project called that |
| 04:47.23 | JeffM2501 | was to be kinda like a php bzadmin |
| 04:47.49 | deadman | just can't find much on it apart from sf page and some forum chat |
| 04:48.04 | JeffM2501 | that is probalby all there is of it |
| 04:48.11 | deadman | mmm |
| 04:48.20 | JeffM2501 | <PROTECTED> |
| 04:48.45 | brlcad | mysqld is running a lil hot, you have it busy? |
| 04:48.54 | JeffM2501 | yeah |
| 04:48.57 | JeffM2501 | it's poping the db |
| 04:49.01 | brlcad | k |
| 04:49.06 | JeffM2501 | geting ready for when your ready |
| 04:49.19 | deadman | while your here, whats the best way to get a server to do something dependant on globally registered or not? |
| 04:49.38 | JeffM2501 | depends what you mean by "something" |
| 04:50.06 | JeffM2501 | like an action? |
| 04:50.13 | deadman | most of what i connect into either throws me off (not registered) or gives a message |
| 04:50.13 | JeffM2501 | or just give perms to reged and not others? |
| 04:50.24 | deadman | yeh action |
| 04:50.38 | JeffM2501 | well the throw off is part of the require identiyf |
| 04:50.44 | JeffM2501 | basicly you require ID |
| 04:50.49 | JeffM2501 | and only do global |
| 04:51.00 | JeffM2501 | if you want to do another action, or whatnot then you need a plugin |
| 04:51.00 | DTRemenak | deadman: re: masterbot, try asking someone in #masterbot |
| 04:51.18 | deadman | right so no EVERYBODYELSE group |
| 04:51.50 | deadman | thx |
| 04:51.56 | JeffM2501 | IIRC there is also a "require ID" command line option |
| 04:52.21 | JeffM2501 | some servers use the nagware plugin tho |
| 04:52.33 | L4m3r | requireidentify perm |
| 04:52.42 | L4m3r | and yes, nagware. :\ |
| 04:52.57 | L4m3r | you know, I've always thought that plugin was on the evil side. :P |
| 04:53.16 | JeffM2501 | brlcad, mysql is done |
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| 04:55.27 | blast007 | is the mysql extension loaded for php? |
| 04:55.40 | blast007 | for the .bz server |
| 04:55.47 | JeffM2501 | I think he's workin on it |
| 04:55.50 | blast007 | k |
| 04:56.00 | JeffM2501 | blast007, did you see my note on the other mod I did to phpbb that we use now? |
| 04:56.04 | blast007 | yeah |
| 04:56.06 | JeffM2501 | k |
| 04:56.11 | blast007 | was that a pre-made one? |
| 04:56.19 | JeffM2501 | no |
| 04:56.26 | JeffM2501 | I just kinda figured it out |
| 04:57.41 | blast007 | ah, actually I found one on phpbbhacks.com |
| 04:57.54 | blast007 | seperate from the PM permissions |
| 04:58.00 | JeffM2501 | that would be best |
| 04:58.07 | JeffM2501 | I had just copied the pm one into the post one |
| 04:58.09 | brlcad | blast007: yes, it is, i'm just mid compiles |
| 04:58.29 | blast007 | brlcad: k |
| 04:58.39 | brlcad | i suspect this compile will take another hour (it's rebuilding all the extensions now) |
| 05:01.01 | JeffM2501 | and huzzah for treapan making it a branch proper |
| 05:02.24 | deadman | who run mac os compile? - keep getting segmentation fault |
| 05:02.37 | JeffM2501 | what version? |
| 05:02.43 | deadman | 2.0.6 |
| 05:02.50 | JeffM2501 | what OS? |
| 05:02.57 | deadman | 10.3.9 |
| 05:03.07 | JeffM2501 | did you downdate your quicktime? |
| 05:03.14 | deadman | no |
| 05:03.15 | JeffM2501 | 7.0.4 -> 7.0.2 |
| 05:03.16 | JeffM2501 | do that |
| 05:03.21 | deadman | try now |
| 05:03.25 | JeffM2501 | 7.0.4 is less then happy with SDL |
| 05:05.00 | deadman | er qt > 6.4 |
| 05:05.42 | JeffM2501 | huh? |
| 05:05.56 | deadman | version 6.4 |
| 05:05.59 | JeffM2501 | oh |
| 05:06.02 | JeffM2501 | well I may have them wrong |
| 05:06.09 | JeffM2501 | there is a QT downdate on the apple site |
| 05:06.10 | JeffM2501 | run that |
| 05:06.22 | JeffM2501 | they screwed up when they compiled the curent one |
| 05:06.29 | JeffM2501 | for 10.3 |
| 05:06.38 | deadman | will do ttfn |
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| 05:09.51 | brlcad | that quicktime update that's only for compiling where you see template and/or c++/g++ intrenal errors |
| 05:09.58 | Nidhoggr | what is status of getting dns changed over and stuff transitioned? |
| 05:10.26 | orange | Nidhoggr: mighty long arms you have there |
| 05:10.36 | Nidhoggr | word |
| 05:10.39 | Nidhoggr | :) |
| 05:10.42 | orange | hehe |
| 05:10.49 | JeffM2501 | all the data is moved |
| 05:10.56 | JeffM2501 | brlcad is rebuilding php now |
| 05:11.05 | Nidhoggr | okie.. so it is in progress |
| 05:11.13 | JeffM2501 | techincaly we could move the DNS now |
| 05:11.20 | JeffM2501 | just stuff like boards would not work |
| 05:11.26 | JeffM2501 | and the list would probably go down :) |
| 05:11.29 | Nidhoggr | my customers are screaming loudly, but I can't do anything until tomorrow evening anyway. |
| 05:11.29 | JeffM2501 | but we'd not loose data |
| 05:11.45 | JeffM2501 | I woudl think we should be done tonight |
| 05:11.49 | Nidhoggr | cool |
| 05:11.58 | JeffM2501 | boards on your machine are allready disabled |
| 05:12.00 | Nidhoggr | new motherboard comes in wednesday. |
| 05:12.05 | Nidhoggr | cool. |
| 05:12.05 | JeffM2501 | meno moved over leauge |
| 05:12.12 | JeffM2501 | list was moved and tested |
| 05:12.19 | Nidhoggr | cool |
| 05:12.20 | JeffM2501 | everying else can be put online later |
| 05:12.23 | Nidhoggr | php was unhappy? |
| 05:12.33 | brlcad | php is back in place, but it's still not sending e-mai |
| 05:12.33 | JeffM2501 | php 5 on bsd |
| 05:12.38 | Nidhoggr | aaah |
| 05:12.42 | JeffM2501 | will it still lockup? |
| 05:12.46 | brlcad | yes |
| 05:12.49 | JeffM2501 | ok |
| 05:13.14 | brlcad | it wasn't what I thought it was, so i'm having to dig |
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| 05:17.20 | JeffM2501 | how would I replace the data in a field in mysql syntax? |
| 05:17.35 | JeffM2501 | need to change my.bzflag.org to my.bzflag.bz in the database |
| 05:17.39 | L4m3r | like a cell or a row? |
| 05:17.43 | JeffM2501 | cell |
| 05:17.53 | JeffM2501 | it's "server_name" |
| 05:17.58 | JeffM2501 | in the phpbb_config table |
| 05:18.09 | TimRiker | use phpmyadmin? |
| 05:18.17 | JeffM2501 | don't have it |
| 05:18.23 | JeffM2501 | (I Think ) |
| 05:18.28 | *** part/#bzflag bryjen (n=chatzill@2002:45a6:86ae:0:0:0:0:1) |
| 05:18.28 | L4m3r | what's the name of the column that you're updating? |
| 05:18.30 | JeffM2501 | I have command line :) |
| 05:18.35 | JeffM2501 | "server_name" |
| 05:18.36 | TimRiker | course once I make the dns change it'll be my.bzflag.org again. |
| 05:18.48 | JeffM2501 | yeah but I want to make sure it works BEFORE that :) |
| 05:18.55 | TimRiker | are we ready yet? |
| 05:19.18 | JeffM2501 | the php on the new server isn't sending mail, brlcad is working on it |
| 05:19.23 | JeffM2501 | but all the data is over |
| 05:19.24 | TimRiker | JeffM2501: just add the ip for that box in you local etc/hosts file (or whatever windows maps that too) and you'll get the new box. |
| 05:19.27 | L4m3r | UPDATE phpbb_config SET server_name = 'my.bzflag.bz' WHERE server_name - 'my.bzflag.org' |
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| 05:19.37 | JeffM2501 | TimRiker, tried that was not being happy |
| 05:19.41 | L4m3r | oops that's an = not a - |
| 05:19.42 | blast007 | not SET server_name |
| 05:20.30 | L4m3r | that's how I've always done it... lol |
| 05:21.20 | blast007 | UPDATE phpbb_config SET config_value = 'my.bzflag.bz' WHERE config_name = 'server_name' |
| 05:21.51 | *** part/#bzflag bryjen (n=chatzill@2002:45a6:86ae:0:0:0:0:1) |
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| 05:22.44 | JeffM2501 | thanks blast007 |
| 05:23.15 | L4m3r | oh, lol, I thought it would be something like that |
| 05:23.40 | L4m3r | that's what I meant when I asked what the column was called :P |
| 05:23.49 | JeffM2501 | yay I can't get to admin pannel, he's prolly still workin on it |
| 05:23.59 | JeffM2501 | L4m3r, like I know what the things are called ;) |
| 05:24.11 | L4m3r | hehe |
| 05:24.35 | L4m3r | well, blast probably knows phpBB a lot better than I do... I'm a vB guy |
| 05:24.45 | blast007 | I looked at the phpbb tables ;) |
| 05:24.47 | blast007 | I cheated |
| 05:24.51 | JeffM2501 | then you shall burn in hell :) |
| 05:24.54 | JeffM2501 | for the vb |
| 05:24.58 | JeffM2501 | not the cheating ;) |
| 05:25.03 | blast007 | lol |
| 05:25.07 | L4m3r | and vBulletin creates the DROP TABLE statements in its db dumps... |
| 05:25.16 | JeffM2501 | oh vbulleten |
| 05:25.20 | DTRemenak | heh |
| 05:25.20 | JeffM2501 | sorry difrent vb |
| 05:25.24 | L4m3r | lol |
| 05:25.27 | JeffM2501 | you may burn less now |
| 05:25.27 | L4m3r | visual basic? |
| 05:25.31 | DTRemenak | bit different, yeah |
| 05:25.42 | L4m3r | yeah, haven't played with that yet |
| 05:25.49 | JeffM2501 | burn it!!!! |
| 05:25.52 | blast007 | vbulleten is better than phpBB :) |
| 05:25.55 | JeffM2501 | it turned me into a newt |
| 05:26.02 | DTRemenak | oh, is that what did it... |
| 05:26.13 | bryjen | did you get better? |
| 05:26.13 | JeffM2501 | well I got betta |
| 05:26.18 | L4m3r | there is a way to do normal Windows GUI with C++? windows.h? |
| 05:26.33 | JeffM2501 | L4m3r, that woudl be called using the Win32 Api |
| 05:26.40 | DTRemenak | or mfc |
| 05:26.42 | JeffM2501 | and yes you use windows.h |
| 05:26.42 | L4m3r | ah, good enough. |
| 05:26.49 | JeffM2501 | MFC is evil |
| 05:26.50 | blast007 | or owl |
| 05:26.51 | JeffM2501 | burn it!!!! |
| 05:26.52 | blast007 | ;) |
| 05:26.54 | JeffM2501 | or ATL |
| 05:26.58 | L4m3r | then I don't HAVE to learn visual basic. woot? |
| 05:27.29 | DTRemenak | L4m3r: python is superior to vb in almost every respect |
| 05:27.31 | JeffM2501 | noone HAS to lurn it |
| 05:27.58 | L4m3r | aren't a lot of little windows proggies done in vb? |
| 05:28.06 | JeffM2501 | only the ones with suck |
| 05:28.06 | blast007 | I had to learn it, if I wanted to pass my class |
| 05:28.24 | JeffM2501 | C# is suposedly prety cool |
| 05:28.31 | L4m3r | lmao |
| 05:28.32 | DTRemenak | C# is relatively nice |
| 05:28.33 | JeffM2501 | and with the .net framework you get a lot of gui and stuff |
| 05:28.40 | Nidhoggr | okie... I'm outa here again. email me if things get switched over. :) |
| 05:28.48 | JeffM2501 | Nidhoggr, no prob |
| 05:29.03 | DTRemenak | takes the few good things about vb and drops it on a backend language that can actually do real work |
| 05:29.05 | L4m3r | my one of the comp sci professors has a bright orange t-shirt that says "C# IS COOL" on the front... |
| 05:29.44 | JeffM2501 | of all the MS "scripter" type langs, it is probably the best one |
| 05:29.54 | JeffM2501 | and with mono you get like cross plat support |
| 05:30.00 | JeffM2501 | even purple_cow says it dosn't suck |
| 05:30.09 | JeffM2501 | but that coudl be cus of the brain leaches |
| 05:30.18 | L4m3r | lol |
| 05:30.23 | blast007 | yeah, there's an OpenGL plugin/library for C#, but it's rather annoying |
| 05:30.31 | blast007 | since they had to make it Object Oriented |
| 05:30.34 | JeffM2501 | I'd not use it for the core of a game |
| 05:30.44 | DTRemenak | dx is easy in c#, though |
| 05:30.46 | blast007 | I just did a spinny tank with it :) |
| 05:30.48 | JeffM2501 | if I was gonna use it in a game I'd do like pybzflag did, and write the cores in C |
| 05:30.48 | L4m3r | I haven't done much with scriping languages but I really like C++ |
| 05:31.24 | L4m3r | I guess I'll look into Python if I want to play with scripting... |
| 05:32.47 | Mr_Molez | will a X300 pci-E be better than a radeon 9800 agp does anyone know ? |
| 05:33.38 | L4m3r | I think they're about the same... |
| 05:33.48 | L4m3r | I'd go for the X300 just because it's PCIe |
| 05:34.56 | JeffM2501 | they will run about the same |
| 05:35.05 | JeffM2501 | tho the x300 supports the newer shaders |
| 05:35.10 | JeffM2501 | the PCI-E dosn't matter |
| 05:35.14 | JeffM2501 | cus the card can't keep up |
| 05:35.25 | JeffM2501 | get an X800 |
| 05:35.27 | blast007 | http://www.samspublishing.com/articles/article.asp?p=352312&seqNum=3&rl=1 |
| 05:35.30 | JeffM2501 | that'll be a good boost |
| 05:36.03 | L4m3r | I wouldn't do PCIe for the performance, I'd do it because AGP is on the way out ;) |
| 05:36.17 | JeffM2501 | yeah |
| 05:36.18 | JeffM2501 | sure |
| 05:36.30 | JeffM2501 | if you just want to replace what you have in terms of speed, an X300 is fine |
| 05:36.36 | JeffM2501 | it'll perform about the same |
| 05:36.40 | Mr_Molez | i dont need anything better than a 9800, i just wanted to make sure i aint down grading :P |
| 05:36.42 | JeffM2501 | maybe a litle slower |
| 05:36.47 | JeffM2501 | you are kinda |
| 05:36.55 | JeffM2501 | your going to the low end card |
| 05:37.02 | JeffM2501 | some stuff it does slower |
| 05:37.16 | Mr_Molez | the x550 is roughly the same price how about that |
| 05:37.30 | JeffM2501 | that's probably a little faster |
| 05:37.38 | JeffM2501 | it's a newer card IIRC |
| 05:37.42 | JeffM2501 | you want ATI? |
| 05:37.47 | JeffM2501 | you can check nvidia too |
| 05:37.54 | JeffM2501 | how much you lookin to spend? |
| 05:38.06 | Mr_Molez | around £40 tops inc delivery :P |
| 05:38.20 | JeffM2501 | check the Geforce 6600 |
| 05:38.45 | L4m3r | Molez: buy me a 6800ultra and I'll send ya my 6600 for free. How about that? :P |
| 05:38.56 | Mr_Molez | heh |
| 05:39.03 | Mr_Molez | ill think about it ;) |
| 05:39.14 | L4m3r | that way you can spend the money without having the guilt of owning something expensive! |
| 05:39.44 | L4m3r | by the way, Jeff, is the X600 any good? my mom got one in her laptop |
| 05:40.29 | JeffM2501 | I've never used one |
| 05:40.31 | blast007 | better than my i855, but then again, what isn't? |
| 05:40.37 | JeffM2501 | I have not heard anythin bad |
| 05:40.42 | L4m3r | heh |
| 05:40.52 | JeffM2501 | they X series sucks less at openGL then the 9X00 series did |
| 05:41.03 | L4m3r | not that it matters THAT much... nice laptop though, internal TV tuner, 17"... |
| 05:41.38 | L4m3r | "I need it to have a good graphics card." "Uh, mom, you don't need an extreme video card to look at pictures." |
| 05:41.45 | Mr_Molez | i have decided on the x550 |
| 05:43.31 | JeffM2501 | that's not even close to "extreme" |
| 05:43.33 | blast007 | my last laptop experienced a lot of...gravity |
| 05:43.39 | JeffM2501 | Mr_Molez, it should be an ok chipset |
| 05:43.46 | JeffM2501 | it's mid-lowrange |
| 05:43.52 | JeffM2501 | it's what they put in office machiens now |
| 05:44.11 | JeffM2501 | or as you've seen laptops :) |
| 05:44.17 | Mr_Molez | lol |
| 05:44.33 | Mr_Molez | the only game i play is bzflag so i dont need much |
| 05:44.35 | Mr_Molez | JeffM2501: thanks |
| 05:44.38 | Mr_Molez | L4m3r: thnx :P |
| 05:44.44 | JeffM2501 | hehe.. if he only knew :) |
| 05:45.15 | Mr_Molez | i get over 200fps with my 9800, if its anywhere near that i will be happy |
| 05:45.30 | Mr_Molez | and about 500fps on linux |
| 05:46.12 | Mr_Molez | btw my agp port |
| 05:46.18 | Mr_Molez | you were saying it might not work |
| 05:46.46 | Mr_Molez | luckily the 9800 was one of the very few listed in the manual that issupported :P |
| 05:48.34 | JeffM2501 | http://beta.bzflag.bz/images/screens/round.png |
| 05:49.05 | Mr_Molez | heh nice |
| 05:51.10 | JeffM2501 | dono if I like the numbers |
| 05:55.18 | bryjen | the tick mark kinda strike through them |
| 05:55.53 | bryjen | and they're counter-clock-wise |
| 05:55.54 | JeffM2501 | and thre's too many |
| 05:56.10 | JeffM2501 | it spins and what dir your facing points up |
| 05:56.14 | JeffM2501 | did I do them backwards? |
| 05:56.19 | JeffM2501 | ha, I did |
| 05:56.25 | DTRemenak | heh |
| 05:56.51 | DTRemenak | tickmarks should maybe be outside the circle. or numbers outside |
| 05:57.09 | JeffM2501 | that's what I'm expermenting with now |
| 05:57.18 | DTRemenak | I'd say tickmarks outside, and flag markers outside |
| 05:58.01 | JeffM2501 | I've .... got....a.. plan... |
| 05:58.24 | DTRemenak | when I was thinking about doing that, I was gonna push the altimeter all the way to the right also |
| 05:58.35 | DTRemenak | and make it longer |
| 05:58.45 | JeffM2501 | I'm gonna make it longer for sure |
| 05:58.47 | JeffM2501 | and move it |
| 05:58.50 | JeffM2501 | I just haven't hit that part yet |
| 05:58.57 | DTRemenak | yeah, I figured |
| 05:59.31 | DTRemenak | also, as painful as it might be, you should run in 640x to see how aweful your numbers look :) |
| 05:59.45 | DTRemenak | I suspect they'd just be smears |
| 05:59.47 | JeffM2501 | I have it all set to be %scales |
| 06:00.11 | JeffM2501 | it's still using the same calcs as the normal hud tuff |
| 06:00.12 | JeffM2501 | stuff |
| 06:00.34 | JeffM2501 | and it's 1920 or DEATH!!! |
| 06:00.45 | DTRemenak | yeah, but what I'm saying is if you have it set to 0.6% or something, on 640x that gives you like 3 pixels |
| 06:01.28 | JeffM2501 | http://beta.bzflag.bz/images/screens/bzfi0004.png |
| 06:01.52 | DTRemenak | oh, or just kill the numbers altogether |
| 06:01.53 | DTRemenak | ;) |
| 06:02.04 | JeffM2501 | I don't think anyone REALY uses them |
| 06:02.12 | JeffM2501 | and that has enough room to put markers inside and out |
| 06:02.14 | DTRemenak | compass numbers? heck no |
| 06:02.18 | DTRemenak | altimeter numbers yes |
| 06:02.21 | JeffM2501 | yeah |
| 06:02.34 | JeffM2501 | NSEW is fine for compass I think |
| 06:02.42 | DTRemenak | yeah |
| 06:03.28 | DTRemenak | love your email string (testing2.0.6win) btw :) |
| 06:04.02 | JeffM2501 | http://beta.bzflag.bz/images/screens/bzfi0006.png |
| 06:04.09 | JeffM2501 | oh old, config copy :) |
| 06:04.12 | JeffM2501 | that's 640 |
| 06:04.26 | DTRemenak | yeah, the letters look fine |
| 06:04.34 | JeffM2501 | the opacity is probalby too low |
| 06:04.37 | JeffM2501 | 20% |
| 06:04.52 | DTRemenak | a bit |
| 06:04.57 | DTRemenak | the old one was fully opaque |
| 06:05.00 | JeffM2501 | yeah |
| 06:05.06 | JeffM2501 | I'll put it in bzdb |
| 06:05.12 | DTRemenak | woot |
| 06:09.15 | JeffM2501 | hmmm we can probalby take the N outa the map then |
| 06:10.05 | purple_cow | but it's such a nice N |
| 06:10.09 | purple_cow | all...liney |
| 06:10.11 | JeffM2501 | heh |
| 06:10.12 | DTRemenak | never really understood why it was there in the first place |
| 06:10.22 | JeffM2501 | cus noone looked at the compas numbers :) |
| 06:10.27 | DTRemenak | heh |
| 06:10.40 | JeffM2501 | I can put a round ball compas on top of the radar if we wnat |
| 06:10.54 | DTRemenak | it'd just get in the way |
| 06:11.00 | JeffM2501 | prolly |
| 06:11.07 | DTRemenak | cleaner is better |
| 06:11.18 | L4m3r | Jeff: make the radar round and put markings around the edge of it :P |
| 06:11.27 | JeffM2501 | I may |
| 06:11.39 | JeffM2501 | GPX has a round radar and mini compas |
| 06:11.41 | JeffM2501 | it looks cool |
| 06:11.45 | JeffM2501 | but then it's 2dish |
| 06:11.54 | L4m3r | then you could perhaps put some buttons in the extra space for those mouse users |
| 06:12.02 | DTRemenak | round radar doesn't display as much info as square does |
| 06:12.11 | DTRemenak | buttons on the hud is a bad idea |
| 06:12.20 | DTRemenak | as long as mouse position controls movement |
| 06:12.26 | L4m3r | true |
| 06:13.54 | JeffM2501 | but little warning lights may be ok :) |
| 06:14.00 | JeffM2501 | like a lockon light |
| 06:14.07 | JeffM2501 | or a "j00 gonna die" light |
| 06:14.08 | L4m3r | yeah, some sort of info there would be a good thing |
| 06:14.41 | L4m3r | I wish the HUD was a bit more customizeable |
| 06:14.42 | JeffM2501 | this isn't the first hud I've done ;) |
| 06:14.51 | DTRemenak | "JeffM2501 has ideas" - truer words have never been spoken |
| 06:15.01 | JeffM2501 | some of them are prety wacky ideas tho |
| 06:15.06 | L4m3r | I've always wanted a transparent overlay radar like duke 3D |
| 06:15.57 | JeffM2501 | I want a radar that can only go thru so much mass then it can't see anymore :) |
| 06:16.10 | L4m3r | lol |
| 06:16.24 | JeffM2501 | unless you get the mass detector powerup accessory |
| 06:16.25 | L4m3r | so people can hide, say, around a corner and in an alley? |
| 06:16.30 | JeffM2501 | yeah |
| 06:16.43 | JeffM2501 | tho when you move, motion sensors pick you up better |
| 06:16.46 | DTRemenak | that'd make OO really killer |
| 06:17.05 | JeffM2501 | OO should take power the longer your in a mass |
| 06:17.13 | DTRemenak | power...pft |
| 06:17.22 | JeffM2501 | and when you run out you get booted out the top |
| 06:17.22 | DTRemenak | either you hold it or you don't, nice and simple |
| 06:17.32 | DTRemenak | and only one at a time |
| 06:17.38 | DTRemenak | also nice and simple |
| 06:17.54 | JeffM2501 | well not all things from playground will make it into mainline ;) |
| 06:17.59 | DTRemenak | hehe |
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| 06:18.06 | L4m3r | jeff: or you get stuck, fused, and you have to wait until you can recharge ;P |
| 06:18.21 | JeffM2501 | no you get shunted to the next available open space |
| 06:18.35 | JeffM2501 | regardless of if it's filled with shots or not |
| 06:18.45 | JeffM2501 | and I like the word "shunt" |
| 06:19.02 | L4m3r | personally, I think OOs uses are limited, because people either sit in buildings or play like weenies |
| 06:19.19 | JeffM2501 | hence why you put a max time on it |
| 06:19.28 | L4m3r | perhaps you should change the thing that lets tanks jump backwards into walls |
| 06:19.39 | DTRemenak | heh |
| 06:19.42 | JeffM2501 | "and I'll form the head!" |
| 06:19.45 | L4m3r | that drives me crazy, especially at Viper's |
| 06:20.03 | L4m3r | someone pops through, shoots, and jumps back through the wall |
| 06:20.12 | DTRemenak | anticipate it |
| 06:20.28 | DTRemenak | shoot them when they land |
| 06:20.29 | JeffM2501 | shots pull from the same power pool :) |
| 06:20.38 | DTRemenak | here you go with that power thing again |
| 06:20.40 | L4m3r | that's the thing about Viper's... you can't camp out the weenies because someone else will shoot you :P |
| 06:21.00 | DTRemenak | L4m3r: have you considered playing on a different server? :P |
| 06:21.09 | L4m3r | lol |
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| 06:21.29 | DTRemenak | four or six players is the way to go. I hate playing on fields with 20 people on them |
| 06:21.33 | L4m3r | I do, usually. people do it on mofo too but they just get annihilated by a ridiculously large shockwave |
| 06:21.36 | DTRemenak | too random |
| 06:21.52 | JeffM2501 | one shot to kill breaks down in larger groups |
| 06:22.13 | DTRemenak | chess-style play breaks down in larger groups period |
| 06:22.15 | L4m3r | it depends. It works nicely when the map is designed well. |
| 06:22.22 | DTRemenak | even with damage it'd be random |
| 06:22.29 | JeffM2501 | it can be |
| 06:22.33 | JeffM2501 | but it's more suviveable |
| 06:22.33 | DTRemenak | just that randomness wouldn't kill you |
| 06:22.39 | L4m3r | Spiralzone, for instance, holds 40 players well |
| 06:22.46 | L4m3r | because it's large and vertical |
| 06:22.57 | DTRemenak | not really. I get shot on spawn an aweful lot there |
| 06:23.06 | DTRemenak | it's good for maybe 12 |
| 06:23.27 | L4m3r | it'd be good for 12 if it was normal sized |
| 06:24.14 | L4m3r | I find, though, that 2-team CTF is a lot more fun with a lot of players than anything else |
| 06:24.37 | L4m3r | usually there's some kind of *gasp* cooperation at that point, and there are less things to shoot at/things shooting at you |
| 06:24.53 | DTRemenak | 2-team ctf is most fun 3v3 or 4v4 :) |
| 06:25.08 | JeffM2501 | naw 50-50 ;) |
| 06:25.23 | DTRemenak | 'tis not an MMO JeffM2501 :P |
| 06:25.29 | JeffM2501 | notyet |
| 06:25.30 | bryjen | grassroots had a bigger 2 team ctf |
| 06:25.32 | DTRemenak | heh |
| 06:25.50 | JeffM2501 | "youv'e never lived untill you've been part of a 250 man zergling rush" |
| 06:26.39 | JeffM2501 | but it's your perogitive to pull what you want from playground |
| 06:26.44 | DTRemenak | and heck, the only mmo I play has pvp limited to 4v4 (or 4v4v4v4) or 8v8 anyway :) |
| 06:26.51 | JeffM2501 | true |
| 06:27.00 | JeffM2501 | you get the expansion? |
| 06:27.05 | DTRemenak | not out yet |
| 06:27.07 | DTRemenak | apr 28 |
| 06:27.08 | JeffM2501 | ahh |
| 06:27.19 | JeffM2501 | you shoulda played planetside |
| 06:27.51 | JeffM2501 | it was kinda cool to port in to a base that needed help and just kinda fall in with 50-60 other guys and defend it |
| 06:28.10 | JeffM2501 | or spawn a galayx class transport, and fly over and drop dudes shouting "death from above" |
| 06:28.14 | DTRemenak | hehe |
| 06:28.25 | DTRemenak | I can see the appeal in that |
| 06:28.45 | JeffM2501 | then hold on station while the rear gunners pound the enimy armour line to atoms |
| 06:29.01 | JeffM2501 | much typing of "you guys ok back there?!?!" |
| 06:29.01 | DTRemenak | I don't have anything against FPS'...I played Wolf ET for a long time |
| 06:29.41 | JeffM2501 | planetside had vehicles too |
| 06:29.44 | DTRemenak | it's fast, but not twitchy |
| 06:29.44 | JeffM2501 | that's what realy made |
| 06:30.04 | JeffM2501 | they limited your twich to a max speed for each suit you were in |
| 06:30.10 | L4m3r | I like BZFlag because it's like everything that's good about FPS, without the bad stuff + driving |
| 06:30.13 | DTRemenak | sounds a lot like tribes |
| 06:30.15 | L4m3r | :D |
| 06:30.17 | JeffM2501 | heavys were realy slow, but the most surviable |
| 06:30.21 | JeffM2501 | it is a lot like tribes |
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| 06:30.24 | JeffM2501 | tribes 2 rocked |
| 06:30.26 | DTRemenak | I liked tribes |
| 06:30.37 | JeffM2501 | yeah it was a good game design |
| 06:30.42 | JeffM2501 | mmmmm spinfusor |
| 06:30.53 | DTRemenak | I was a sniper guy myself |
| 06:30.58 | JeffM2501 | loved the spinfusor longshot |
| 06:31.03 | JeffM2501 | ahh the laser pack |
| 06:31.10 | JeffM2501 | you could jump FOREVER with that thing |
| 06:31.11 | DTRemenak | popping people's heads like balloons was my idea of a good time in tribes :) |
| 06:31.20 | JeffM2501 | you'd like UT too |
| 06:31.23 | JeffM2501 | "head shot" |
| 06:31.27 | JeffM2501 | god likes head shots |
| 06:31.49 | DTRemenak | UT has some cool features. it's a mite too fast for my taste though |
| 06:31.58 | JeffM2501 | it can be yeah |
| 06:32.06 | DTRemenak | most maps seem a lot smaller than tribes |
| 06:32.07 | JeffM2501 | there is a great game somewhere mixed in them all |
| 06:32.53 | DTRemenak | one of the things I liked about tribes was that it played like an fps up close, but could be much slower just by backing off a bunch. sniping or commanding or whathaveyou |
| 06:33.05 | JeffM2501 | yeah |
| 06:33.18 | JeffM2501 | planetside can get like that too |
| 06:33.29 | DTRemenak | whereas in something like UT or Quake, if you back off and slow down you'll get fragged in the back by someone who teleported there |
| 06:33.34 | JeffM2501 | the real twitchers get in the light and medium stuff and just go toe to toe |
| 06:33.55 | JeffM2501 | but then the slowers can sit back in a heavy or sniper or tank or whaever |
| 06:34.00 | JeffM2501 | runing over people is fun :) |
| 06:34.05 | DTRemenak | hehe :) |
| 06:34.19 | JeffM2501 | a medium dude is no match for a tank |
| 06:34.26 | JeffM2501 | unless he's got mines |
| 06:34.28 | JeffM2501 | I hate mines |
| 06:34.45 | JeffM2501 | or a plasma lance |
| 06:34.47 | JeffM2501 | those suck too |
| 06:35.23 | DTRemenak | funny, now that I think about it, in ET I usually played covert or mortar also |
| 06:35.35 | JeffM2501 | tribes had that laser guided mortar |
| 06:35.37 | JeffM2501 | that was the best |
| 06:35.41 | DTRemenak | yeah |
| 06:35.45 | JeffM2501 | get a buddie to go up and point the red dot |
| 06:36.01 | JeffM2501 | we had a guy sitting on the roof of a thing killing everyone with rockets |
| 06:36.09 | JeffM2501 | over voice chat he goes "I am unstoppable!!" |
| 06:36.13 | DTRemenak | heh |
| 06:36.16 | JeffM2501 | then "whats that red dot" |
| 06:36.21 | DTRemenak | paint him and blow him |
| 06:36.39 | JeffM2501 | when he was saying that I was allreayd puting 3 shots in the air |
| 06:37.22 | JeffM2501 | I don't want to make bzflag less simple |
| 06:37.35 | JeffM2501 | I want another game thats like bzflag, but less simple :) |
| 06:37.47 | DTRemenak | hehe |
| 06:37.59 | JeffM2501 | if it can share code with bzflag, all the better |
| 06:38.11 | DTRemenak | and you're welcome to it. that's one of the nice things about open source |
| 06:40.32 | JeffM2501 | the coolest thing will be when I can triger songs on a shoutcast stream based on server events :) |
| 06:41.04 | JeffM2501 | "we are the champions.. we are the campions.... of the world!!!" |
| 06:42.11 | L4m3r | are the forums done (aside from DNS)? |
| 06:42.27 | JeffM2501 | don't know |
| 06:42.30 | JeffM2501 | the data is over |
| 06:42.35 | JeffM2501 | they may not work |
| 06:42.38 | L4m3r | ok |
| 06:42.44 | L4m3r | time to check then ;) |
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| 06:47.13 | JeffM2501 | looks like posting works |
| 06:47.20 | JeffM2501 | I'm gonna upload the forwarder |
| 06:49.05 | JeffM2501 | eeryone will need to login again, cookie domain changed :) |
| 06:49.30 | L4m3r | yup |
| 06:50.13 | L4m3r | I've got that bot kicker plug-in sitting here... do attachments work? |
| 06:50.46 | JeffM2501 | seems new threads don't work |
| 06:50.47 | JeffM2501 | I'd wait |
| 06:50.51 | L4m3r | D'oh |
| 06:50.55 | L4m3r | lol |
| 06:52.19 | JeffM2501 | I woudn't plan on the forums working till tomorow |
| 06:55.31 | bryjen | worked here |
| 06:55.47 | JeffM2501 | ok |
| 06:55.51 | JeffM2501 | well didn't for me |
| 06:55.58 | JeffM2501 | maybe it's in the middle of doing "stuff" |
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| 07:08.59 | trepan | JeffM2501: make the HUD stylin' by using a texture, easily customized, easily done ;) |
| 07:09.19 | JeffM2501 | would it scale well? |
| 07:09.28 | JeffM2501 | that's what I'd worry about |
| 07:09.33 | JeffM2501 | blurry edges and the like |
| 07:09.49 | JeffM2501 | I was going to use textures for the frames and sights and stuff |
| 07:09.51 | L4m3r | you'd have to use a high-quality PNG |
| 07:10.00 | trepan | there definitely be some blur, 512x512 might be ok |
| 07:10.09 | trepan | not so bad if it's moving around... |
| 07:10.21 | L4m3r | are there any open vector formats you can use? :P |
| 07:10.21 | JeffM2501 | well I'll get the layout set how I like it then we can convert it to textures |
| 07:10.28 | trepan | really easy to try it |
| 07:10.51 | JeffM2501 | right now I'm pulling the vector code out of screamers to see how it looks |
| 07:11.01 | JeffM2501 | and doing the things that need dynamic text |
| 07:11.41 | L4m3r | oh, that reminds me, Trepan... being able to do text in maps would rock XD |
| 07:12.10 | L4m3r | and 2D objects like bullets |
| 07:12.15 | trepan | L4m3r: also easy to do, but not something i'll be doing |
| 07:12.49 | trepan | billboarding and console gadgets and whatnot was possible with vertex shaders |
| 07:13.44 | trepan | (although not ideal for those without 'em) |
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| 07:19.00 | L4m3r | I love that thing |
| 07:20.02 | L4m3r | ooo Jeff, that would be a perfect use of the space left over from the round radar :P |
| 07:20.24 | JeffM2501 | no |
| 07:20.38 | JeffM2501 | then you'd have to take your eyes off the target |
| 07:20.41 | JeffM2501 | to see your shots |
| 07:20.54 | L4m3r | hm... |
| 07:21.57 | JeffM2501 | it'll go on the right side hud bracket |
| 07:22.26 | JeffM2501 | and left will have your forward motion indicator |
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| 07:24.02 | L4m3r | hm... with a round mouse box, this sounds like it will look very slick :) |
| 07:24.04 | JeffM2501 | cus you'll notice there IS not one of those cursor boxes |
| 07:24.08 | JeffM2501 | that's NOT a mouse box |
| 07:24.23 | JeffM2501 | that is the hud ring |
| 07:24.26 | JeffM2501 | no more mouse box |
| 07:24.29 | L4m3r | heh |
| 07:24.33 | JeffM2501 | just a "sensitiveity" slider |
| 07:24.48 | JeffM2501 | the hud should not change based on your mouse settings |
| 07:24.58 | JeffM2501 | cus it won't matter when the cursor is hidden |
| 07:25.23 | L4m3r | so... will this fix the retarded mouse enhancement issue then? |
| 07:25.54 | JeffM2501 | yeah |
| 07:26.00 | L4m3r | yay. :D |
| 07:26.11 | JeffM2501 | and have one consistent input feedback system for all input methods |
| 07:26.22 | JeffM2501 | actualy everyone will have acceleration |
| 07:26.27 | JeffM2501 | keys become the same thing as a fast mouse |
| 07:26.31 | L4m3r | :| |
| 07:26.43 | JeffM2501 | all tanks must follow the same rules |
| 07:26.55 | JeffM2501 | and there are limits to how fast you can change dirs |
| 07:26.57 | JeffM2501 | sorry |
| 07:27.05 | JeffM2501 | the tank is not a light cycle :) |
| 07:27.07 | L4m3r | well, can you make it work relative to the world and not the tank, at least? |
| 07:27.25 | JeffM2501 | relitive to the tank? |
| 07:27.47 | L4m3r | ok, say you do 180 rotating jump |
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| 07:28.06 | L4m3r | you start forward, so you land moving backwards. |
| 07:28.25 | L4m3r | if you try to jump backwards instantly, your tank will jump forward instead |
| 07:28.37 | JeffM2501 | that would be called "a bug" |
| 07:28.44 | JeffM2501 | in the movement code |
| 07:28.47 | L4m3r | because as far as I can tell inertia is relative to the tank :P |
| 07:29.08 | JeffM2501 | actualy it's probably the jump vector that is |
| 07:29.10 | L4m3r | oh, so it's a more general issue? |
| 07:29.13 | JeffM2501 | yeah |
| 07:29.29 | JeffM2501 | you don't "get inertia" when you have acceleration |
| 07:29.41 | JeffM2501 | you just have limits to how fast you can change your velocity |
| 07:29.41 | L4m3r | regardless of direction, the instant jump thing drives me crazy :P |
| 07:30.03 | JeffM2501 | that sounds like a bug in the physics code to me |
| 07:30.23 | L4m3r | makes some of those precise moves harder, and I end up going almost straight up... dead meat |
| 07:31.27 | L4m3r | well, physics are tricky :P |
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| 07:31.45 | JeffM2501 | it's probably also due to how the protocoll stores it all |
| 07:31.54 | L4m3r | If you've ever played GTA:SA, the tow physics are amusingly wonky... |
| 07:33.03 | L4m3r | car slingshots, flying car mayhem... all great fun when no one's on my preferred BZ servers :P |
| 07:33.32 | JeffM2501 | well since that dosn't have to be sent over the net.... |
| 07:33.40 | L4m3r | yeah |
| 07:33.52 | L4m3r | and it doesn't get you fragged, either, lol |
| 07:34.39 | L4m3r | I'd imagine trying to do any kind of towing or piggy-backing in BZFlag would be an absolute nightmare |
| 07:35.09 | L4m3r | I'm surprised observer mode is as smooth as it is, heh |
| 07:38.08 | JeffM2501 | it's because it follows the same interpolation as the tank you follow is |
| 07:38.11 | JeffM2501 | you dn't know the diff |
| 07:38.29 | L4m3r | hm |
| 08:02.46 | JeffM2501 | well TimRiker , brlcad the fourms are moved over, leauge is done, and list is set IIRC |
| 08:02.55 | JeffM2501 | you can move DNS when ever you want |
| 08:02.59 | JeffM2501 | I guess |
| 08:03.05 | JeffM2501 | or when blrcad says it's good to go |
| 08:03.10 | JeffM2501 | I'm about off to bed |
| 08:03.21 | SportChick | jeff does that include the ducati league site? |
| 08:03.50 | SportChick | JeffM2501: I still get a strainge error when I try to pull up the ducati league site |
| 08:03.51 | L4m3r | 'night Jeff... wow when did it get to be 1:00? :\ |
| 08:04.08 | JeffM2501 | SportChick, is it on my.bzflag.org? |
| 08:04.25 | JeffM2501 | I'm sure there will be wierdness as it gets moved |
| 08:04.28 | SportChick | JeffM2501: it's redirecting to my.bzflag.bz |
| 08:04.32 | JeffM2501 | yes |
| 08:04.36 | JeffM2501 | then it's moved |
| 08:04.40 | SportChick | JeffM2501: but it doesn't resolve properly |
| 08:04.55 | JeffM2501 | then it'll probably work right after the DNS moves |
| 08:05.03 | JeffM2501 | people are still working on all the changes |
| 08:05.24 | JeffM2501 | but if the leauge site is wonkey for 1/2 a day, it's no big wup in the long run |
| 08:06.47 | SportChick | JeffM2501: fyi, so you can see, I sent you a screenshot |
| 08:06.50 | CIA-6 | BZFlag: 03jeffm2501 07playground_branch * 10bzflag/src/bzflag/ (HUDRenderer.cxx HUDRenderer.h): |
| 08:06.50 | CIA-6 | BZFlag: add stuff for new hud in expermental ( round hotness ) |
| 08:06.50 | CIA-6 | BZFlag: make the shot counter more generic so it can be used in more then one place. |
| 08:06.50 | CIA-6 | BZFlag: make the shot counter have a cap for max shots ( then just show a number and the status of the closest to done shot ). Max shot limit defaults to 10. |
| 08:06.52 | SportChick | JeffM2501: ok |
| 08:06.52 | CIA-6 | BZFlag: needs to be all BZDBed and stuff. |
| 08:06.59 | JeffM2501 | umm ok |
| 08:07.06 | JeffM2501 | I'm not the mainatiner of that site tho |
| 08:07.07 | JeffM2501 | meno is |
| 08:07.16 | SportChick | yes, but the site doesn't come up |
| 08:07.23 | JeffM2501 | then it dosn't come up |
| 08:07.29 | SportChick | a bunch of jibberish |
| 08:07.30 | JeffM2501 | just wait till the move is done |
| 08:07.43 | SportChick | ok |
| 08:07.44 | SportChick | np |
| 08:07.54 | SportChick | sleep well |
| 08:07.57 | JeffM2501 | brlcad is stil working on the server |
| 08:08.01 | JeffM2501 | so stuff will go in and out |
| 08:08.06 | purple_cow | so what's this mono talk? |
| 08:08.08 | SportChick | JeffM2501: ok |
| 08:09.19 | SportChick | wasn't sure how long it all took - it's been down since at least 7pm pst |
| 08:09.29 | SportChick | PDT* |
| 08:09.36 | JeffM2501 | it's not a "how long it takes" thing |
| 08:09.43 | JeffM2501 | it's a when it gets fixed thing :) |
| 08:09.47 | SportChick | ah, ok |
| 08:09.47 | purple_cow | i wasn't really paying attention, and i'm too lazy to read it |
| 08:09.59 | SportChick | purple_cow: hrm? |
| 08:09.59 | JeffM2501 | ohh just talk that C# dosn't suck that bad |
| 08:10.12 | L4m3r | lol |
| 08:10.23 | JeffM2501 | then I made a new hud |
| 08:10.31 | L4m3r | all that from a misunderstanding of the abbreviation "vB" |
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| 08:12.46 | purple_cow | and when talking about languages, "dosn't suck that bad" is pretty high praise |
| 08:13.05 | JeffM2501 | it must not suck that bad if you use it :) |
| 08:13.49 | L4m3r | Purple_cow: I am so going to Bash that |
| 08:14.04 | purple_cow | damnit! |
| 08:14.15 | purple_cow | so far i've managed to avoid bash :P |
| 08:14.23 | L4m3r | lol |
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| 11:01.56 | [dmp] | my.bzflag.org/league is pretty broken |
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| 12:33.02 | brlcad | oop, left the wrong php.ini before I went to bed, it's restored |
| 12:33.16 | brlcad | still don't have the mail problem worked out :( |
| 12:34.09 | brlcad | i'll keep working on it today though of course |
| 12:52.17 | SportChick | brlcad: which mail isn't working? league or bzbb? |
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| 12:57.10 | yummy | 'lo. Someone i know registered on bzbb then went abroad for a while. Now he's back he doesn't remember his callsign .... but he knows the passwd he set . How can he reuse his email @ to register again ? |
| 13:01.52 | SportChick | yummy: iirc email addys are linked to specific callsigns and can only be used once. |
| 13:02.42 | yummy | SportChick: i know.... i hope some admin can reset or delete account so that he can register again |
| 13:02.50 | SportChick | yummy: try and find jeffm2501 or dtremenak to see if either of them can help. It's very early where they are 6AM (and they were up late working on the server move), so I doubt they'll be up for a while. Also they still may be very busy today trying to sort out issues with the move. But be patient and one of them can probably help |
| 13:03.28 | SportChick | yummy: does he have the old email he got to activate the account? It should (I think) tell him the callsign he resgistered |
| 13:03.40 | yummy | patience ..... that's my real name :) |
| 13:03.56 | yummy | no old activating email |
| 13:05.40 | SportChick | ~nidhoggr++ |
| 13:06.35 | SportChick | ~brlcad++ |
| 13:06.38 | SportChick | ~learner++ |
| 13:06.43 | SportChick | ~jeffm2501++ |
| 13:08.30 | SportChick | ~dtremenak++ |
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| 13:15.02 | CBG | ~TheRedBaron-- |
| 13:15.24 | SportChick | CBG: pfft |
| 13:15.29 | SportChick | ~theredbaron++ |
| 13:16.08 | CBG | See, you scared him away now.. |
| 13:16.29 | SportChick | no, you did - he was disconnected by the time I did mine :) |
| 13:16.43 | CBG | Pff :P |
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| 14:22.41 | RedBaron2 | hey yums |
| 14:24.28 | yummy | hey |
| 14:24.33 | yummy | howdy rb2 |
| 14:25.08 | RedBaron2 | sup? |
| 14:25.31 | yummy | nothing much .... for instance .... not the same story in 1 week ;) |
| 14:26.17 | RedBaron2 | hehe |
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| 14:53.47 | jaredn | hello |
| 14:53.49 | RedBaron2 | hey xell! |
| 14:53.57 | jaredn | can someone help me with a small config problem? |
| 14:54.07 | Xe11 | heya |
| 14:54.35 | jaredn | it seems that no matter what I do, I can't get my players to be able to shoot any more than 3 shots |
| 14:54.49 | orange | jaredn: check the map file for config options too |
| 14:55.03 | jaredn | ohhh, the map can dictate that stuff? |
| 14:55.06 | orange | yes |
| 14:55.13 | jaredn | so i'm assuming map options override then |
| 14:55.30 | orange | well, it's easy enough to check, anyway :-) |
| 14:55.37 | jaredn | ahhhh yep, i found it |
| 14:55.53 | jaredn | oh cool. found the shockwave radius too |
| 14:55.58 | jaredn | excellent. THANKS! |
| 14:56.08 | orange | sure :-) |
| 14:56.20 | jaredn | off to play :-) |
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| 15:10.26 | CBG | Shouldn't my.bzflag.ORG redirect me to my.bzflag.BZ? (it doesn't...) |
| 15:10.44 | gsnedders | does man bzw list all the possible attributes for each object? |
| 15:14.29 | brlcad | CBG: not necessarily |
| 15:14.34 | brlcad | gsnedders: theoretically yes |
| 15:15.08 | CBG | brlcad: then I suspect many users won't find the forum now. |
| 15:15.27 | brlcad | CBG: we're not done migrating |
| 15:16.38 | CBG | Ok. |
| 15:17.08 | gsnedders | what characters can be in a name attribute |
| 15:18.14 | brlcad | it says what's valid somewhere up above iirc |
| 15:18.38 | gsnedders | not that I can find |
| 15:22.01 | brlcad | http://bzflag.bz/tmp/BunkerBusterDemo.mpeg |
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| 15:39.37 | gsnedders | brlcad: what is that? |
| 15:42.33 | orange | looks like a dirt bridge |
| 15:43.53 | brlcad | it's a bunker |
| 15:44.13 | orange | well, yeah... but for some reason it looks like it's just covered with dirt |
| 15:44.20 | brlcad | and in this case, also dirt bridge ;) |
| 15:44.47 | orange | ah, I wonder how thick the concrete is |
| 15:44.49 | brlcad | the penetrator is going through like 10 feet of packed dirt |
| 15:45.09 | orange | pretty impressive |
| 15:45.18 | brlcad | very |
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| 16:35.49 | JeffM2501 | SportChick, that is one heck of a lot of browser tabs :) |
| 16:36.06 | SportChick | pfft |
| 16:36.08 | SportChick | yeah, I know |
| 16:36.24 | SportChick | JeffM2501: it's fixed now though, so don't touch it! :p |
| 16:36.36 | JeffM2501 | I mean WoW :) |
| 16:36.47 | JeffM2501 | yeah meno gets up earlyer then I, so he can fix things sooner :) |
| 16:36.55 | SportChick | hehe |
| 16:37.07 | SportChick | you think that was a lot, you should see now :) |
| 16:37.17 | SportChick | I'm working on a "project" so even more are open :) |
| 16:37.21 | JeffM2501 | heh |
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| 16:41.22 | JeffM2501 | heh |
| 16:41.28 | JeffM2501 | ooh double heh |
| 16:41.33 | JeffM2501 | I must be slipping |
| 16:42.12 | brlcad | JeffM2501: did you disable e-mails? |
| 16:42.15 | JeffM2501 | no |
| 16:42.19 | JeffM2501 | I dono if I can |
| 16:42.22 | brlcad | hmm |
| 16:42.30 | brlcad | well it's no longer hanging :) |
| 16:42.44 | JeffM2501 | well that's good |
| 16:42.47 | JeffM2501 | is it sending the mail? |
| 16:42.59 | JeffM2501 | we had a SMTP server in there, I took that out |
| 16:43.29 | brlcad | ooh, we did? |
| 16:43.34 | JeffM2501 | yeah |
| 16:43.38 | brlcad | that could have been it .. |
| 16:43.41 | JeffM2501 | nid had an IP in for the other one |
| 16:43.45 | brlcad | heh |
| 16:43.46 | JeffM2501 | I pulled it and set it to localhost |
| 16:43.55 | JeffM2501 | and changed all the domains to .bz |
| 16:43.58 | JeffM2501 | even on the cookie |
| 16:44.09 | JeffM2501 | did we start the dns move? |
| 16:44.16 | brlcad | hmm.. how many recompiles .. :) |
| 16:44.49 | JeffM2501 | well I turned that off, and had what looked like a hang when I posted after that |
| 16:44.57 | JeffM2501 | but it could have also been cus you were recompiling |
| 16:45.00 | JeffM2501 | others have said it works |
| 16:45.33 | brlcad | i've changed lots at this point, I think it was a combination of factors |
| 16:45.47 | JeffM2501 | something is not setting the "read" stuff |
| 16:45.58 | JeffM2501 | may be the same session problem as on the league |
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| 16:46.23 | JeffM2501 | but I think its working enough to move DNS, don't you think? |
| 16:46.30 | JeffM2501 | nid has to move servers today |
| 16:46.48 | brlcad | yeah, it should be good to go |
| 16:47.04 | brlcad | it still isn't relaying e-mail, but i'll keep working on it |
| 16:47.18 | brlcad | but it at least won't hang on submissions |
| 16:47.18 | JeffM2501 | TimRiker, We can do the move now |
| 16:47.29 | blast007 | it seems like it hung up for me trying to send a PM to myself |
| 16:47.32 | JeffM2501 | TimRiker, my.bzflag.org, images.bzflag.org, and db.bzflag.org |
| 16:47.44 | blast007 | just now |
| 16:47.51 | JeffM2501 | it seems to do that sometimes |
| 16:47.58 | brlcad | blast007: yeah, I just changed it |
| 16:48.06 | brlcad | i can get it to hang or not based on one setting |
| 16:48.10 | blast007 | k |
| 16:48.13 | brlcad | try now |
| 16:48.40 | blast007 | now it just give an error sending the email |
| 16:49.27 | brlcad | yep, "good" |
| 16:49.32 | blast007 | heh |
| 16:49.54 | blast007 | except that new users won't be able to register, so "bad" :) |
| 16:51.38 | JeffM2501 | yeah |
| 16:51.53 | JeffM2501 | we'll live |
| 16:52.19 | JeffM2501 | maybe the upgrade will help that |
| 16:54.41 | brlcad | i mean for now, so nid can get his machine back |
| 16:54.49 | blast007 | have we tried taking out the SMTP server setting altogether? |
| 16:54.53 | menotume | brlcad: how about a 'proxypass' dirdective in httpd.conf ? |
| 16:55.06 | brlcad | if there's a sendmail expert in the house, i need an audit |
| 16:55.21 | brlcad | menotume: which does what? |
| 16:55.30 | menotume | ProxyPass /db http://my.bzflag.bz/db |
| 16:55.34 | JeffM2501 | yeah just need TimRiker to move the dns |
| 16:56.09 | menotume | *should* rediect requests to /db to the new server (i think) |
| 16:56.09 | JeffM2501 | just TimRiker , good ol TimRiker ... ;) |
| 16:56.24 | blast007 | :) |
| 16:56.32 | brlcad | menotume: oh, you mean on secretplace |
| 16:56.38 | brlcad | sure |
| 16:56.38 | menotume | yes sir |
| 16:57.53 | menotume | i'm not 100% sure that it will work, can't test, don't have access to httpd.conf |
| 16:58.08 | brlcad | ah |
| 16:58.16 | menotume | i tried it here though |
| 16:58.20 | brlcad | you want ME to make the edit *ahem* |
| 16:58.25 | menotume | hehe |
| 16:58.39 | menotume | or give me access, i'll test it first in a test subdir |
| 17:00.33 | brlcad | done |
| 17:00.37 | brlcad | (access) |
| 17:00.47 | menotume | okies, thx |
| 17:01.44 | brlcad | i've checked these permissions about 20 times now and don't see what's wrong with them yet msp keeps bitching |
| 17:10.50 | JeffM2501 | yeah sudo him , it's not like the servers gonna be up longer :) |
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| 17:29.02 | menowin | what a great time for a system crash :( |
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| 17:31.32 | menowin | no go on ProxyPass .. required module not installed |
| 17:31.44 | menowin | there may be another directive - i will look |
| 17:32.50 | JeffM2501 | sometimes it feels like I've been touched by a supernova. As I find my tears are all consumed by the Supernova, this time the hope that lights the world is in my eyes . |
| 17:33.01 | JeffM2501 | you have to use windows |
| 17:33.15 | menowin | grrr, yes, while fsck runs |
| 17:33.23 | menowin | :) |
| 17:33.26 | JeffM2501 | isn't that a cardinal sin with nixies? |
| 17:33.35 | menowin | don't tell anyone :) |
| 17:33.38 | JeffM2501 | I mean to even own the thing |
| 17:33.54 | menowin | this is my lappy, i use it all the time for certain things :) |
| 17:34.00 | bryjen | windows during fsck... so you're double fscked? ;P |
| 17:34.05 | JeffM2501 | heh |
| 17:34.26 | menowin | like, Age Of Mythology ... you know, the important stuff |
| 17:34.39 | JeffM2501 | and halo |
| 17:34.41 | menowin | lol @ bryjen |
| 17:34.46 | JeffM2501 | so all we need is TimRiker to change the DNS |
| 17:34.49 | menowin | halo on xbox here |
| 17:34.58 | JeffM2501 | with his TimRikery TimRikerness |
| 17:35.07 | JeffM2501 | and TimRikertude |
| 17:35.09 | menowin | yes, but there will be alot of downtime on the listserver |
| 17:35.22 | JeffM2501 | well there will be both for a while |
| 17:35.28 | JeffM2501 | untill nid younks it |
| 17:35.46 | menowin | right |
| 17:35.51 | JeffM2501 | ether that or we get TimRiker to let me pay for no-ip.com for bzflag.org |
| 17:35.56 | JeffM2501 | then it's a 5 min update :) |
| 17:36.16 | JeffM2501 | that anyone can do :) |
| 17:36.26 | JeffM2501 | so we can all be TimRiker |
| 17:36.31 | menowin | ewwww |
| 17:36.32 | JeffM2501 | and have little TimRiker hats |
| 17:36.48 | menowin | hey, be nice to him |
| 17:36.48 | JeffM2501 | he can keep the TimRiker pants tho |
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| 17:36.55 | menowin | (untill he moves DNS) :P |
| 17:36.58 | JeffM2501 | heh |
| 17:37.16 | JeffM2501 | I just wonder if his machine is going "bing"... "bing"..."bing" |
| 17:38.04 | bryjen | i wonder if it'd blow his speakers if we all say it at once ;) |
| 17:38.53 | JeffM2501 | TimRiker, |
| 17:39.12 | JeffM2501 | I think if all of us did it |
| 17:39.22 | JeffM2501 | it would be too much TimRiker for one man to handle |
| 17:39.33 | JeffM2501 | your not ready for the TimRiker |
| 17:39.47 | bryjen | there's a phrase never to be repeated |
| 17:39.53 | JeffM2501 | heh |
| 17:39.56 | JeffM2501 | that is true |
| 17:40.06 | bryjen | the "it would be..." |
| 17:40.15 | JeffM2501 | heh |
| 17:40.17 | JeffM2501 | ether of them |
| 17:41.00 | JeffM2501 | I could commit another 500 files |
| 17:41.02 | JeffM2501 | that may get him here |
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| 17:43.24 | TheRedBaron | phear the Ndim |
| 17:43.47 | JeffM2501 | phear my need for beer |
| 17:44.04 | TheRedBaron | that I will phear |
| 17:44.36 | bryjen | at 10:45 AM? |
| 17:44.41 | TheRedBaron | what would the beer of your choice be? |
| 17:44.43 | TheRedBaron | ~beer |
| 17:44.45 | ibot | No beer and no TV make purl... something something... |
| 17:45.02 | JeffM2501 | pete's wiked ale.. strabery blonde |
| 17:45.09 | TheRedBaron | hrm, It used to say "its not just for breakfast anymore" |
| 17:46.51 | DTRemenak | yummy: did you get your thing taken care of? |
| 17:47.10 | JeffM2501 | as best he could |
| 17:47.18 | JeffM2501 | I talked to him in pm |
| 17:47.24 | DTRemenak | ah, ok |
| 17:47.27 | JeffM2501 | bzbb dosn't let us find users based on just e-mail |
| 17:47.33 | DTRemenak | heh. use mysql |
| 17:47.40 | JeffM2501 | too much work :) |
| 17:47.50 | JeffM2501 | faster to just get a new e-mail |
| 17:47.54 | DTRemenak | select * from phpbb_users where email = "email" |
| 17:48.19 | JeffM2501 | well since I don't KNOW sql off the top of my head.... |
| 17:48.21 | JeffM2501 | :) |
| 17:48.24 | TimRiker | huh? what? |
| 17:48.24 | DTRemenak | heh :) |
| 17:48.31 | JeffM2501 | yay it's TimRiker |
| 17:48.31 | brlcad | or zoneedit |
| 17:48.43 | JeffM2501 | TimRiker, you can move the DNSs |
| 17:48.44 | brlcad | zoneedit is free for the first five domains |
| 17:48.55 | TheRedBaron | ~seen menoutme |
| 17:49.01 | ibot | TheRedBaron: i haven't seen 'menoutme' |
| 17:49.01 | JeffM2501 | were were just having fun saying your name to see how many times it'd highlight for you :) |
| 17:49.01 | TimRiker | so to IP or cname? and what to point at? |
| 17:49.04 | TheRedBaron | ~seen menotume |
| 17:49.06 | ibot | menotume <n=meno@pdpc/supporter/active/menotume> was last seen on IRC in channel #bzflag, 48m 19s ago, saying: 'okies, thx'. |
| 17:49.41 | JeffM2501 | well my.bzflag.org, db.bzflag.org, bzbb.bzflag.org, and images.bzflag.org need to go to what ever IP bzflag.bz is set to |
| 17:49.44 | brlcad | i'd think IP would be more efficient |
| 17:49.52 | brlcad | ~nslookup bzflag.bz |
| 17:49.58 | brlcad | that ip |
| 17:50.08 | JeffM2501 | can you just find all the records that point to the current SP addy? |
| 17:50.15 | JeffM2501 | and just change those? |
| 17:50.25 | ndim | TheRedBaron: Hi! |
| 17:50.30 | DTRemenak | stats also |
| 17:50.36 | JeffM2501 | yeah stats |
| 17:50.44 | JeffM2501 | that DTRemenak guy is smart |
| 17:50.47 | JeffM2501 | like TimRiker ;) |
| 17:50.53 | JeffM2501 | DTRemenak, head out to fry's? |
| 17:51.00 | TimRiker | ibot: nslookup my.bzflag.org |
| 17:51.04 | DTRemenak | not yet |
| 17:51.08 | DTRemenak | may not get a chance to |
| 17:51.12 | TimRiker | ibot: nslookup stats.bzflag.org |
| 17:51.19 | DTRemenak | may just put it off a while longer |
| 17:51.25 | JeffM2501 | ahh |
| 17:51.38 | JeffM2501 | 2400 and a flakey mobo if you want it :) |
| 17:51.49 | TimRiker | ibot: nslookup db.bzflag.com |
| 17:52.02 | bryjen | .com ? |
| 17:52.03 | JeffM2501 | let the grand migration begin |
| 17:52.09 | JeffM2501 | yeah he owns .com too |
| 17:52.17 | TimRiker | ibot: nslookup bzbb.bzflag.net |
| 17:52.25 | JeffM2501 | wow and .net |
| 17:52.36 | JeffM2501 | what about .ws |
| 17:52.36 | DTRemenak | well I was gonna say and .net, but TimRiker beat me to the punch :) |
| 17:52.41 | TimRiker | heh |
| 17:52.41 | JeffM2501 | the MOST popular of TLDs |
| 17:52.50 | *** join/#bzflag noyb (n=noyb@pool-71-108-82-239.lsanca.dsl-w.verizon.net) |
| 17:53.25 | brlcad | i'll need to add responders for some of those |
| 17:53.42 | JeffM2501 | DTRemenak, I put a max limit on your shot counter thingy, if it's over some number, it'll just show how many, and the status of the closest one to finishing |
| 17:53.45 | brlcad | stats go anywhere specific? not in nid's config |
| 17:53.57 | JeffM2501 | brlcad, stats is just my. |
| 17:54.10 | TimRiker | huh? or stats.bzflag.* |
| 17:54.18 | DTRemenak | JeffM2501: cool. I thought about doing that but with tons it just went off both edges of the screen, so I said, meh |
| 17:54.21 | JeffM2501 | stats goes to the same page as my |
| 17:54.44 | JeffM2501 | DTRemenak, and I made it so you translate to where you want it, and just call it |
| 17:54.48 | JeffM2501 | so it's easy to move around |
| 17:54.54 | bryjen | brlcad: images get me a 403 and db a directory listing :/ |
| 17:55.00 | JeffM2501 | dono if you want to move that into head |
| 17:55.00 | TimRiker | my,bzbb,db,stats,images,prefabs.bzflag.org,com,net |
| 17:55.01 | DTRemenak | cool |
| 17:55.07 | brlcad | bryjen: yeah, I'm adding them |
| 17:55.09 | JeffM2501 | TimRiker, wow, that's a lot :) |
| 17:55.15 | DTRemenak | ooh, prefabs too |
| 17:55.21 | DTRemenak | forgot about that one |
| 17:55.22 | JeffM2501 | for includes |
| 17:55.24 | JeffM2501 | noone sues it |
| 17:55.25 | JeffM2501 | uses |
| 17:55.32 | TimRiker | everyone sues it |
| 17:55.35 | DTRemenak | well I hope noone sues it either |
| 17:55.37 | brlcad | i had my,prefabs,images |
| 17:55.50 | JeffM2501 | we need beer.bzflag.bz |
| 17:55.54 | DTRemenak | once again I type slower than TimRiker does :) |
| 17:55.59 | TimRiker | :) |
| 17:56.13 | brlcad | if those all go to my I can just add a responder for *.bzflag.org,com,net |
| 17:56.17 | TimRiker | that's ok, I'll be afk soon and then you can catch up. |
| 17:56.18 | JeffM2501 | he must use on of those egonomic keyboards |
| 17:56.27 | DTRemenak | heh :) |
| 17:56.39 | TimRiker | thinkpad t43 at present. |
| 17:56.39 | JeffM2501 | brlcad, images,goes to a specail place |
| 17:56.52 | brlcad | images and prefabs go to special |
| 17:56.52 | DTRemenak | heh, and on a laptop even! |
| 17:56.55 | JeffM2501 | TimRiker, I meant DTRemenak for being slow :) |
| 17:57.00 | brlcad | anything else? |
| 17:57.07 | DTRemenak | JeffM2501: IBM model M here |
| 17:57.14 | JeffM2501 | the big clicky one? |
| 17:57.16 | brlcad | i can't imagine it since nid's config only had the three |
| 17:57.17 | DTRemenak | yup |
| 17:57.22 | JeffM2501 | that's why your slow |
| 17:57.27 | JeffM2501 | too much time for the click |
| 17:57.29 | DTRemenak | last forever and have great tactile feedback |
| 17:57.35 | JeffM2501 | you must anoy the hell outa your roomates :) |
| 17:57.39 | TimRiker | brlcad: iirc nids box default server was the same as my, no? |
| 17:57.43 | DTRemenak | they get used to it :) |
| 17:57.45 | TimRiker | so even by ip would get my. |
| 17:58.02 | JeffM2501 | yeah he didn't host any other web on it IIRC |
| 17:58.46 | DTRemenak | I don't think so. |
| 17:58.51 | *** join/#bzflag noyb (n=noyb@pool-71-108-82-239.lsanca.dsl-w.verizon.net) |
| 17:58.51 | DTRemenak | ~dns bzflag.secretplace.us |
| 17:59.02 | DTRemenak | hm, maybe |
| 17:59.09 | TimRiker | ~dns secretplace.bzflag.org |
| 17:59.15 | TimRiker | hmm. |
| 17:59.22 | JeffM2501 | he did his own dns on it |
| 17:59.30 | JeffM2501 | IIRC |
| 17:59.31 | brlcad | do we want separate logs for net,com,org? |
| 17:59.51 | DTRemenak | can't think of any reason to, no |
| 18:00.30 | *** join/#bzflag menotume (n=meno@pdpc/supporter/active/menotume) |
| 18:00.30 | *** mode/#bzflag [+v menotume] by ChanServ |
| 18:00.48 | TimRiker | ~dns secretplace.bzflag.org |
| 18:01.07 | menotume | ahhh |
| 18:01.29 | TimRiker | brlcad: I'd just combine them. just about everybody uses .org |
| 18:01.43 | TimRiker | ~dns cvs.bzflag.net |
| 18:02.59 | brlcad | should be all set, please test to see if I missed anything |
| 18:03.19 | JeffM2501 | images.bzflag.bz is forboden |
| 18:03.42 | brlcad | ahh, didn't do matching .bz's, hold on |
| 18:04.35 | JeffM2501 | even .org is forboen |
| 18:04.43 | JeffM2501 | and it looks like I've updated to the new one |
| 18:04.48 | *** join/#bzflag Blue-Eyes (n=Blue@host65-224.pool872.interbusiness.it) |
| 18:04.56 | JeffM2501 | it's nice when you can force the company's DNS to flush :) |
| 18:05.05 | brlcad | oh wait, yes i did |
| 18:05.07 | menotume | hey - i got proxypass to work |
| 18:05.13 | brlcad | there are no images |
| 18:05.22 | brlcad | directoryindex isn't set |
| 18:05.24 | JeffM2501 | its in /resources/images/ |
| 18:05.26 | brad2901 | just one thing wrong |
| 18:05.30 | JeffM2501 | or something |
| 18:05.41 | brad2901 | it doesn't listen on port 81 .... quite a few people use that |
| 18:05.41 | JeffM2501 | they all use index.php IIRC |
| 18:06.04 | brlcad | yeah it is in resources/images, but that's an empty dir |
| 18:06.05 | JeffM2501 | each dir has a php page that shows it's "stuff" |
| 18:06.09 | JeffM2501 | wtf |
| 18:06.19 | *** join/#bzflag TimRiker2 (n=d831b56d@bz.bzflag.bz) |
| 18:06.24 | JeffM2501 | ok, I'll move it over then |
| 18:06.41 | menotume | shall i 'move' the listserver ? |
| 18:06.48 | JeffM2501 | the db? |
| 18:06.49 | JeffM2501 | sue |
| 18:06.50 | JeffM2501 | sure |
| 18:06.50 | brlcad | i can turn on directory indexes for it, but it's still empty ;) |
| 18:06.53 | *** join/#bzflag bz52 (n=acc9977f@bz.bzflag.bz) |
| 18:06.57 | JeffM2501 | brlcad, no you don't have to |
| 18:07.00 | menotume | db, and enable proxypass |
| 18:07.04 | JeffM2501 | I have php that does the listing |
| 18:07.08 | JeffM2501 | with licenses and stuff |
| 18:07.10 | JeffM2501 | I'll move it |
| 18:08.00 | JeffM2501 | just need to remember to type in the sp dns to get to the old machien :) |
| 18:08.32 | *** join/#bzflag bz06 (n=acc9977f@webchat.bzflag.bz) |
| 18:08.34 | brlcad | brad2901: fixed |
| 18:08.37 | brad2901 | :) |
| 18:09.17 | brad2901 | http://my.bzflag.org:81/ |
| 18:09.18 | brlcad | ~nslookup webchat.bzflag.bz |
| 18:09.40 | brlcad | i can't see 81 from here, blocked |
| 18:09.51 | brad2901 | test page for apache |
| 18:10.07 | brad2901 | bz.bflag.bz image |
| 18:10.16 | brad2901 | powered by freebsd/apache stuff :) |
| 18:10.36 | *** join/#bzflag romfis (i=user@chello062178107024.8.12.vie.surfer.at) |
| 18:10.37 | brlcad | try now |
| 18:10.47 | brad2901 | same |
| 18:10.52 | brad2901 | and http://my.bzflag.org:81/db/ gives a 404 |
| 18:11.05 | brlcad | for same reason |
| 18:12.55 | JeffM2501 | got the images copying now |
| 18:13.03 | brlcad | try now |
| 18:13.29 | brad2901 | tis all good now |
| 18:13.49 | brlcad | hmm.. mysql errors |
| 18:13.57 | ToughShooter | ~bzflist |
| 18:14.08 | brad2901 | Could not remove inactive playersTable 'bzflaglsdb.players' doesn't exist |
| 18:14.53 | menotume | brad - wait |
| 18:15.04 | menotume | i rebuilt the db |
| 18:15.14 | menotume | np :) |
| 18:15.33 | menotume | rebuilding now |
| 18:15.41 | brlcad | ah, great |
| 18:15.42 | brlcad | not my fault |
| 18:17.18 | brlcad | errors all gone |
| 18:17.27 | JeffM2501 | images works now |
| 18:18.28 | menotume | brlcad: where is the webroot for /db ? |
| 18:18.41 | brlcad | db has no webroot |
| 18:18.52 | brlcad | it's a pointer to bzfls.php |
| 18:18.58 | menotume | ahhh, right :) |
| 18:18.59 | menotume | thx |
| 18:19.09 | *** join/#bzflag cowgomoo (n=803f204c@bz.bzflag.bz) |
| 18:19.27 | cowgomoo | well this works |
| 18:19.58 | menotume | yeah - it works (proxpass) |
| 18:20.12 | menotume | my.bzflag.org/db now goes to the new listserver |
| 18:20.51 | brlcad | or someone ambitious enough to get qmail or exim going |
| 18:21.09 | menotume | is it sendmail, or is it shelling out in php5 ? |
| 18:21.18 | JeffM2501 | nid knows a lot about the mails |
| 18:21.22 | JeffM2501 | IIRC jbd did as well |
| 18:21.43 | brlcad | i think it's some sendmail permissions/setup issue and php5 is just not handling it gracefully in the least so it locks up |
| 18:21.48 | menotume | i remember doing a php that exec'd a shellscript a few months ago on .bz |
| 18:22.08 | menotume | and, i hung a bunch of httpd processes |
| 18:22.15 | brlcad | hmm |
| 18:22.18 | menotume | remember that ? |
| 18:22.22 | brlcad | not really |
| 18:22.26 | menotume | okies |
| 18:22.31 | menotume | well, i got rid of it |
| 18:22.36 | JeffM2501 | and prefabs are done now too |
| 18:22.39 | menotume | and, you had to restart apache, i think |
| 18:22.51 | JeffM2501 | hah, and we have one prefab |
| 18:22.54 | JeffM2501 | my billboard |
| 18:31.58 | menowin | aaaarrrrg - lockup again |
| 18:31.58 | JeffM2501 | lunch time |
| 18:33.48 | Aribeth | er hands |
| 18:34.16 | Aribeth | me thinks my keyboard is dropping keys :( |
| 18:34.31 | *** join/#bzflag gsnedders (n=geoffrey@host86-139-124-138.range86-139.btcentralplus.com) |
| 18:34.48 | brad2901 | ] |
| 18:35.02 | Aribeth | :) |
| 18:35.07 | brlcad | menowin: ? |
| 18:35.13 | menowin | ya |
| 18:35.23 | brlcad | what's up |
| 18:35.24 | menowin | nix box is having probs |
| 18:35.30 | brlcad | with bz? |
| 18:35.32 | menowin | locakups |
| 18:35.48 | menowin | well, i was in bz this time - testing listserver |
| 18:36.06 | bryjen | he no-win. his *nix is losing :/ |
| 18:36.07 | menowin | but, there's a lot of dust in the heatsink, time to clean it :) |
| 18:36.25 | Aribeth | that will do it meno |
| 18:37.28 | TheRedBaron | menowin: i'm assuming then, the pms sent to menotume are lost and gone forever? |
| 18:37.58 | TheRedBaron | ew. |
| 18:38.40 | TheRedBaron | pms - just looks wrong. |
| 18:38.53 | Aribeth | i spent 10 minutes yesterday clearing the dust from my computer |
| 18:38.56 | blast007 | TheRedBaron: heh |
| 18:39.06 | bryjen | i know bzbb.bzflag.org is the old address for the forum, but perhaps it should redirect you to /bb/ instead of going to the stats page? |
| 18:39.21 | TheRedBaron | blast007: i guess I'll start taking the time to format it as PMs |
| 18:39.44 | blast007 | bryjen: yeah, it used to do that |
| 18:39.46 | bryjen | TheRedBaron: just get off the shift key before that last char |
| 18:40.03 | blast007 | or do PM's |
| 18:40.09 | bryjen | or your just adding emphasis |
| 18:40.44 | ToughShooter | Hi Aribeth |
| 18:41.07 | Aribeth | hi there |
| 18:41.18 | SportChick | Aribeth: your presence is needed |
| 18:41.27 | Aribeth | it is? |
| 18:41.31 | ToughShooter | Spring finery on computer, huh? ;) |
| 18:41.33 | SportChick | yes |
| 18:41.54 | Aribeth | and where would that be? |
| 18:42.11 | ToughShooter | We have no real spring any more, 3 days ago 4C, yesterday 10C and today 22C :/ |
| 18:42.28 | Aribeth | ya, no spring here either |
| 18:42.43 | Aribeth | winter ---> summer |
| 18:43.12 | ToughShooter | Also no holidays for poor me :( |
| 18:44.16 | Aribeth | bummer |
| 18:44.52 | bryjen | guu: convert 22 degC to degF |
| 18:44.54 | guu | bryjen: 71.6 |
| 18:45.04 | bryjen | that _is_ spring |
| 18:45.09 | TheRedBaron | 71.6 is beautiful! |
| 18:45.27 | *** join/#bzflag Blue_Eyes (n=Blue@host201-153.pool8260.interbusiness.it) |
| 18:45.28 | Aribeth | yep, thats spring |
| 18:45.34 | ToughShooter | nope, that is what is usual in mid-summer at the place I am located now |
| 18:45.56 | Aribeth | wsell, its spring herre |
| 18:46.02 | TimRiker | ~weather kslc |
| 18:46.31 | Aribeth | ahh nice and warm :P |
| 18:46.34 | TimRiker | 40F is not much like spring. |
| 18:46.41 | Aribeth | nope |
| 18:46.49 | SportChick | ~weather klax |
| 18:46.50 | TheRedBaron | ~weather KTLH |
| 18:46.51 | ToughShooter | As long it will not be 53C at home in the garden again this year I'll be happy |
| 18:47.03 | SportChick | hrm, warm here |
| 18:47.09 | SportChick | almost perfect |
| 18:47.18 | TheRedBaron | 90.0 Ahhhh |
| 18:47.23 | Aribeth | its 70 here today, but it was 85 yesterday |
| 18:48.35 | menowin | gonna be one of those days ... now UPS is alerting to overload - with nothing plugged in to it :( |
| 18:49.05 | Aribeth | eek |
| 18:49.28 | ToughShooter | ~cake menowin |
| 18:49.44 | ToughShooter | hmm :/ |
| 18:50.27 | menowin | wow, dns has moved for me already |
| 18:51.27 | brad2901 | yay 16 servers :) |
| 18:51.56 | menowin | all of them should be there |
| 18:51.58 | brad2901 | do they only update when people join them? |
| 18:51.59 | menowin | hmm |
| 18:52.07 | menowin | brad2901yes |
| 18:52.08 | brad2901 | ~bzflist |
| 18:52.11 | brad2901 | k |
| 18:52.18 | *** join/#bzflag noyb (n=noyb@pool-71-108-82-239.lsanca.dsl-w.verizon.net) |
| 18:52.26 | SportChick | brad2901: who played the d&b v. stouteriks match? :) |
| 18:52.56 | brad2901 | iggy, catay, mikk/4more, skit |
| 18:53.16 | brad2901 | mikk let 4more sub half way |
| 18:57.01 | brad2901 | global logins are too fast |
| 18:57.16 | *** join/#bzflag FantaZee (n=c2e7c0e6@zeebrothers.net) |
| 18:58.20 | ToughShooter | brad2901: I thought it can not be fast enough.. :o |
| 18:58.33 | brad2901 | sure they can :) |
| 19:07.41 | brlcad | heh, too fast |
| 19:08.09 | menowin | brlcad: mysql is overloaded |
| 19:08.27 | menowin | (do top) |
| 19:08.28 | brlcad | overloaded in what sense? |
| 19:08.47 | menowin | 10-80% cpu usage |
| 19:09.27 | brlcad | yes, I see |
| 19:09.38 | *** join/#bzflag L4m3r (n=Chris@s122-55.resnet.ucla.edu) |
| 19:09.47 | menowin | odd |
| 19:10.01 | brlcad | that is pretty high, apache is showing up as well albeit < 1% mostly |
| 19:10.19 | menowin | ya, there's noticable dealys in the league site at times |
| 19:10.34 | brlcad | probably when i'm compiling |
| 19:10.46 | menowin | ahh, ya |
| 19:10.52 | brlcad | that should settle down shortly |
| 19:10.57 | menowin | sure |
| 19:11.25 | menowin | i wonder what's eating mtsql though |
| 19:11.28 | brlcad | qmail's docs are worlds better than sendmail already |
| 19:11.55 | brlcad | yeah, that's pretty bizarre to be that high |
| 19:12.05 | menowin | i'll see if i can find it |
| 19:13.37 | *** join/#bzflag Quadduc (n=stian@216-177-43.0503.adsl.tele2.no) |
| 19:14.19 | brlcad | fortunately, it's not swamped, load < .7 .. but it is disconcerting |
| 19:15.04 | brlcad | maybe some mysql optimization/configuration that needs to happen, or horrible inefficiency in bz or something ;) |
| 19:15.23 | menowin | ya, trying to get mysql process list |
| 19:15.33 | menowin | i need my nix box :P |
| 19:18.25 | _Manu_ | brlcad, is there a problem with the listserver? only 25 servers are displayed |
| 19:19.01 | menowin | _Manu_: have to wait for DNS entry to propogate |
| 19:19.46 | _Manu_ | menowin, yes, I figured it but not sure :) |
| 19:20.19 | _Manu_ | menowin, thanks meno* |
| 19:20.22 | _Manu_ | :) |
| 19:20.28 | menowin | np :) |
| 19:20.45 | _Manu_ | menowin menoloose ;) |
| 19:21.20 | brlcad | hehe, mrtg configure script dumps out: |
| 19:21.23 | brlcad | ordering CD from http://people.ee.ethz.ch/~oetiker/wish .... just kidding ;-) |
| 19:21.33 | menowin | heh |
| 19:21.35 | uso | brlcad: add munin, it's nice for watching mysql, apache and other stuff |
| 19:22.38 | menowin | i'm watching myadmin process list, but i don't understand all of it |
| 19:23.54 | blast007 | the list server itself uses persistent connections to the mysql |
| 19:24.26 | *** join/#bzflag menotume (n=meno@pdpc/supporter/active/menotume) |
| 19:24.27 | *** mode/#bzflag [+v menotume] by ChanServ |
| 19:25.04 | menotume | let's see if bypassing the UPS helps |
| 19:25.06 | menotume | was having nix withdrwal |
| 19:25.59 | Aribeth | well, dont go into withdrawls |
| 19:26.33 | *** join/#bzflag Carnage (n=d808ac2d@bz.bzflag.bz) |
| 19:28.19 | menotume | i need a cigarette with nixotine in it |
| 19:28.27 | SportChick | JeffM2501: ping |
| 19:28.30 | Aribeth | eek |
| 19:28.53 | L4m3r | I need a pepsi. |
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| 19:33.03 | Alex135 | JeffM, is the transfer of the site and server and form started yet? |
| 19:33.09 | Alex135 | forum* |
| 19:33.43 | L4m3r | forum is already over, not working 100% yet but still working nonetheless. |
| 19:33.54 | Alex135 | oh cool... |
| 19:34.03 | SportChick | JeffM2501: pm |
| 19:34.17 | SportChick | TimRiker: when you are back from lunch, ping |
| 19:34.18 | Alex135 | because i noticed i cant get identify on any servers at all |
| 19:34.41 | L4m3r | could be a pending DNS change. |
| 19:34.45 | brlcad | any mrtg experts around? :) |
| 19:34.47 | L4m3r | let me try real quick |
| 19:34.59 | Alex135 | k |
| 19:35.05 | menotume | brlcad: we need mysql usage by 'user' |
| 19:35.31 | L4m3r | Alex135: I can't either |
| 19:35.33 | TimRiker | http://pastebin.ca/49752 |
| 19:35.35 | menotume | i suspect you may be right about indices need (probably by bzfls) |
| 19:35.41 | TimRiker | SportChick: pong |
| 19:35.53 | Alex135 | ok... that works then... |
| 19:35.59 | Alex135 | that ansers my question |
| 19:36.00 | SportChick | ahhh tim :) |
| 19:36.04 | SportChick | TimRiker: pm |
| 19:36.22 | Alex135 | so will everything be over by tonight? |
| 19:36.37 | uso | brlcad: not an expert, but ask ... :) |
| 19:36.47 | DTRemenak | ooh, thanks Tim |
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| 19:42.39 | TimRiker | DTRemenak: you want to test all that and check it in then? |
| 19:42.53 | DTRemenak | yup, already going on it |
| 19:43.00 | TimRiker | sweet |
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| 20:18.23 | CIA-6 | BZFlag: 03jeffm2501 07playground_branch * 10bzflag/src/bzflag/ (HUDRenderer.cxx defaultBZDB.cxx): put the max shots for the shot display in bzdb |
| 20:19.10 | L4m3r | why...? |
| 20:19.24 | brlcad | woot, http://bzflag.bz/stats/mrtg/bzflag.html |
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| 20:19.55 | L4m3r | lol brlcad |
| 20:20.10 | brlcad | would be sweet if someone went to town with mrtg :) |
| 20:20.15 | L4m3r | nearly finally extinct? |
| 20:20.45 | brlcad | nah, just ported over the mrtg config from secretplace |
| 20:21.07 | brlcad | should snatch up quol's mrtg config, he had a nice setup |
| 20:22.35 | DTRemenak | 'twas a pain getting it all set up right |
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| 20:23.03 | menotume | how do well tell who (user) is using the most mysqld time ? |
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| 20:38.39 | JeffM2501 | hmm bzbb isn't saving logins |
| 20:38.57 | TheRedBaron | JeffM2501: lost your cookies? |
| 20:39.06 | JeffM2501 | it's on a new cookie |
| 20:40.34 | DTRemenak | JeffM2501: domains have to match on cookies iirc |
| 20:41.16 | JeffM2501 | DTRemenak, I changed the cookie domain to .bz |
| 20:41.22 | JeffM2501 | and the board domain to .bz |
| 20:41.27 | JeffM2501 | and am using the URL .bz :) |
| 20:41.31 | DTRemenak | ah |
| 20:41.36 | JeffM2501 | I can try puting it all back |
| 20:43.29 | JeffM2501 | ok, looks like it held it when I put it as .org |
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| 20:48.55 | brlcad | hmm.. name of bzflag server in california and germany? |
| 20:50.01 | brad2901` | germany - brad.bz of course :) |
| 20:50.07 | brad2901` | or dub, gameunites |
| 20:50.14 | brad2901` | dunno about ca |
| 20:51.42 | brlcad | ~bzflist |
| 21:05.15 | brlcad | looks like all of the web and list traffic equates to about as much bandwith as about an 8 player server, maybe a little more |
| 21:05.39 | JeffM2501 | how does that impact your total bandwtih? |
| 21:05.43 | JeffM2501 | still within your limits? |
| 21:06.07 | brlcad | from what I see for just the past couple hours, it's not even 2-3% |
| 21:06.23 | brlcad | dwarfed by bzfs still |
| 21:06.29 | JeffM2501 | with all the servers you run now, how close are you to your limit? |
| 21:07.25 | brad2901 | how much bandwidth do you use on average each month? |
| 21:07.34 | menotume | 12 Tb |
| 21:07.37 | menotume | :) |
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| 21:09.51 | brlcad | JeffM2501: well within |
| 21:10.05 | brlcad | right now it's oscillating around 200kbit/s |
| 21:10.31 | brlcad | my max is roughly a sustained 400Mbit/s |
| 21:10.47 | brlcad | er, eek 4Mbit/s |
| 21:11.02 | orange | so you're at 5%, not bad :-) |
| 21:11.03 | JeffM2501 | ok |
| 21:11.05 | brlcad | ~200 / 400 |
| 21:11.07 | ibot | 0.5 |
| 21:11.07 | JeffM2501 | that's prety cool |
| 21:11.14 | JeffM2501 | so I can run the 500 man server? |
| 21:11.22 | orange | lol |
| 21:11.24 | brlcad | heh |
| 21:11.25 | Aribeth | hehe |
| 21:11.34 | brlcad | with packet culling, probably |
| 21:11.40 | Aribeth | more servers, more servers :P |
| 21:11.53 | JeffM2501 | no Aribeth, more players PER server ;) |
| 21:11.57 | brlcad | and 1 person per server ;) |
| 21:12.03 | Aribeth | hehe |
| 21:12.19 | bryjen | would need lotsa world weapons |
| 21:12.19 | orange | 57 channels and nothing on |
| 21:12.21 | JeffM2501 | with the 5 man super tank |
| 21:12.30 | JeffM2501 | that turns into a giant robot |
| 21:12.34 | Aribeth | ya |
| 21:12.38 | JeffM2501 | and forms a blazing sword |
| 21:12.58 | Aribeth | or one tank with a giant battleaxe attached to it |
| 21:13.17 | JeffM2501 | a +1 battleaxe |
| 21:13.33 | Aribeth | a +108 battleaxe |
| 21:13.51 | brlcad | .bz was up around 10% when there was three servers that kept 30-40 players going most of the time, now it's back to about 15 players or so |
| 21:13.51 | JeffM2501 | I'll settle for just 3 tank classes now |
| 21:14.03 | JeffM2501 | fast/weak, normal, and slow/strong |
| 21:14.26 | Aribeth | ahh |
| 21:14.30 | TheRedBaron | I'd sure like a fast normal tank :) |
| 21:14.38 | DTRemenak | hrmph, no 0037 servers on the list yet |
| 21:14.54 | JeffM2501 | DTRemenak, how bouat 1001 servers? |
| 21:15.06 | DTRemenak | :) |
| 21:15.08 | Aribeth | rs has controled, agressive, defencive |
| 21:15.16 | JeffM2501 | all you have to do is build it :) |
| 21:15.24 | DTRemenak | download it first |
| 21:15.29 | JeffM2501 | true |
| 21:15.31 | DTRemenak | and build it |
| 21:15.39 | DTRemenak | and it wouldn't have what I want to test |
| 21:15.39 | JeffM2501 | you'll need to do that to move over the hud stuff |
| 21:16.10 | brlcad | menotume: another thing to consider, every hit to the website is calling up mysql too iirc and that rate is pretty high right now |
| 21:16.27 | menotume | yes |
| 21:16.48 | orange | remember bzcontest is hammering the league site too |
| 21:16.49 | JeffM2501 | just wait till I hook up shoutcast stream reading and voice chat. then your bandwth will go to hell ;) |
| 21:17.35 | menotume | I'm gonna leave the league 'team page' disabled for a bit |
| 21:17.42 | menotume | just to see |
| 21:17.47 | menotume | listserver seems quick |
| 21:18.34 | orange | menotume: you're killing people trying to do the contest ;-) |
| 21:18.43 | menotume | ahhhhh |
| 21:18.46 | menotume | hehe |
| 21:18.59 | menotume | will reanable shortly - 10 mins or so |
| 21:21.17 | brlcad | JeffM2501: if you don't, I'll probably become a freenode hub or freebsd mirror ;) |
| 21:21.30 | brlcad | hate to see good bandwidth go to waste |
| 21:21.57 | bryjen | brlcad: your mrtg page is 1.10.x servers? ;) |
| 21:22.50 | L4m3r | if I restart my servers will they show on the list? |
| 21:22.58 | brlcad | bryjen: just pulled what was on secret |
| 21:23.12 | brlcad | bryjen: if you want to set it up with the goods, lemme know ;) |
| 21:23.42 | bryjen | uhm, I'm guessing the title just need to be adjusted... |
| 21:23.52 | brlcad | hmm.. it looks like the list server gets him up three times by each host... |
| 21:25.38 | JeffM2501 | heh |
| 21:25.56 | JeffM2501 | oh I have the code for shoutcast streams ALL ready |
| 21:26.24 | JeffM2501 | just breaking out the existing sound code and making it modular is tedious |
| 21:26.30 | L4m3r | in the game? O_O wow |
| 21:26.36 | JeffM2501 | yeah |
| 21:26.45 | JeffM2501 | let the server specify a stream to play for background music |
| 21:27.20 | L4m3r | isn't that going to be an issue as far as parental shelteri- I mean, parental controls? |
| 21:27.23 | JeffM2501 | then if you get tricky, you tie the server into the playlist order of the stream :) |
| 21:27.28 | JeffM2501 | L4m3r, yeah |
| 21:27.37 | JeffM2501 | that's why I'm going to add a rating for all servers |
| 21:27.51 | L4m3r | I'm already thinking of all the havoc we could wreak... |
| 21:27.55 | JeffM2501 | well you of course have to have leagal rights to publish the stream |
| 21:28.06 | JeffM2501 | but at least then it's not tied to the game itself |
| 21:28.17 | L4m3r | Jeff: so... ratings... hm... |
| 21:28.18 | JeffM2501 | you coudl have your server just play a legit stream |
| 21:28.33 | JeffM2501 | L4m3r, yeah servers are set G, PG, or R |
| 21:28.39 | JeffM2501 | or unrated |
| 21:28.46 | JeffM2501 | and the client limits what is shown |
| 21:28.47 | L4m3r | does this mean we can start being a bit more lax about textures at the cost of a higher rating? |
| 21:29.00 | JeffM2501 | lax as in copyright.. no |
| 21:29.09 | L4m3r | well, I mean, lax as in offensive |
| 21:29.10 | brlcad | i wonder what the fair use boundaries are for streaming my own music |
| 21:29.16 | bryjen | BadAdmin: hmm, I don't like that player |
| 21:29.18 | bryjen | BadAdmin: /sendplayerstream http://some.host/512kpbs/lagyoulots.mp3 |
| 21:29.25 | JeffM2501 | well you coudl say for R level servers, that it's ok to trust the host as a texture soure |
| 21:29.30 | JeffM2501 | then we don't have to host it for you |
| 21:29.37 | JeffM2501 | stuff like that |
| 21:29.48 | L4m3r | good idea. |
| 21:29.49 | JeffM2501 | brlcad, I read about them |
| 21:29.55 | JeffM2501 | it's treated like a radio station |
| 21:29.58 | L4m3r | also, I think a PG-13 rating would be nice |
| 21:30.12 | JeffM2501 | I call that R |
| 21:30.22 | L4m3r | language but nothing else |
| 21:30.25 | JeffM2501 | unrated would be like whatever goes |
| 21:30.26 | a_temp_dist | don't forget those ratings are copywrited |
| 21:30.34 | JeffM2501 | ok so I'll call them something else :) |
| 21:30.48 | orange | BZ-17 |
| 21:30.50 | orange | BZ-13 |
| 21:30.51 | a_temp_dist | heh |
| 21:30.55 | JeffM2501 | ratings, Bob, Joe, Louese, and Shanequa |
| 21:30.55 | orange | BZ-all |
| 21:31.05 | JeffM2501 | I'd rather not put ages in them |
| 21:31.11 | brlcad | JeffM2501: I've read that for shoutcast, but I'm wondering where bonjour-style sharing fits in |
| 21:31.32 | JeffM2501 | it'll probably be "general", "mature" and "unrated" |
| 21:31.33 | JeffM2501 | or something |
| 21:31.39 | JeffM2501 | brlcad, I don't know |
| 21:31.50 | JeffM2501 | but tha'ts why I like the idea of the stream it may open up more fair use |
| 21:31.55 | JeffM2501 | cus the end user won't have the file |
| 21:32.21 | JeffM2501 | so we may be able to do a lot more |
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| 21:32.32 | brlcad | i mean, there is plenty of "free" music out there that might be interesting to hook into, or even any of the public shoutcast servers |
| 21:32.33 | JeffM2501 | also it moves the legality issues to the stream host, not the game |
| 21:32.39 | JeffM2501 | yeah |
| 21:32.57 | bryjen | that's silly, you can pipe the stream to a file somehow |
| 21:33.06 | JeffM2501 | shush, bryjen :) |
| 21:33.19 | JeffM2501 | and you can tape the radio |
| 21:33.36 | a_temp_dist | "it may help if you blow out your old cookie and get a new one." - That sounds "Mature" |
| 21:33.41 | JeffM2501 | as long as our code dosn't do that by default, it makes it much easyer for us to defend ourselves |
| 21:33.43 | bryjen | with bits, it's a better copy tho |
| 21:34.01 | JeffM2501 | you can do that with any shoutcast client right now |
| 21:34.05 | JeffM2501 | yet people are hosting stuff |
| 21:34.05 | bryjen | a-yup |
| 21:34.14 | JeffM2501 | so somehow it's allowed by some law |
| 21:34.21 | JeffM2501 | I'm just trying to get us into it |
| 21:34.21 | brlcad | bryjen: which is why they consider shoutcast like radio stations, they pay royalties/fees or play otherwise indie/free music |
| 21:34.30 | JeffM2501 | I have Gpx01 playing streams |
| 21:34.32 | JeffM2501 | they work great |
| 21:34.35 | bryjen | DTRemenak: keep your hands off my bits! :P |
| 21:34.39 | JeffM2501 | not much of a CPU hit |
| 21:34.43 | JeffM2501 | on windows at least |
| 21:35.05 | bryjen | arrr |
| 21:35.11 | brlcad | i think apple gets away with it because they share ala drm and it's not nearly as easiliy copied |
| 21:36.37 | JeffM2501 | what woudl be cool is to get your stream server to take commands from a plugin, so you can play songs on events |
| 21:36.40 | JeffM2501 | like something on a flag cap |
| 21:36.44 | JeffM2501 | or when the score is close |
| 21:36.51 | JeffM2501 | and have everyone hear it |
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| 21:37.55 | JeffM2501 | see it's all them "ideas" I keep having |
| 21:38.08 | brlcad | i have a metal rod that can take care of them |
| 21:38.14 | JeffM2501 | heh |
| 21:38.25 | JeffM2501 | I also want positional team voice chat as an option |
| 21:38.36 | JeffM2501 | so when a teamie is behind you in game, you hear them behind you |
| 21:38.56 | TheRedBaron | you guys are jealous that the voices only talk to JeffM2501 |
| 21:39.28 | JeffM2501 | then we make the server side bots talk :) |
| 21:40.24 | JeffM2501 | I loved that about UT bots.. they talked to you |
| 21:40.36 | CBG | You know the "Sorry, I'm just a bot..." message Roger sends when he TeamKills? Wouldn't it be funny to have about 20 different messages and have Roger pick one at random each time...? |
| 21:40.39 | JeffM2501 | if you turned them up high enouhg they told YOU what to do |
| 21:43.06 | brlcad | hmm.. i have some natural language processing code, could make it possible that they talk to you fairly easily :) |
| 21:43.10 | JeffM2501 | with voice bots, we could make a good ol southern bot... " you sure do gots a purdy mouth" |
| 21:43.39 | JeffM2501 | and a good "yehhhhhaaaahhh" on every jump ;) |
| 21:44.21 | JeffM2501 | heh, so you'd end up wtih "why did you team kill me dave?" brlcad ? |
| 21:45.46 | brlcad | heh, something like that |
| 21:46.06 | JeffM2501 | or "shall we play a game?" |
| 21:46.11 | JeffM2501 | that would be great |
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| 21:47.09 | TheRedBaron | JeffM2501: I know just the player if you're looking for a southern accent |
| 21:47.22 | JeffM2501 | I'm sure there are a couple of em :) |
| 21:47.40 | TheRedBaron | ~seen ep |
| 21:47.51 | ibot | ep <n=mdr@ip68-97-122-135.ok.ok.cox.net> was last seen on IRC in channel #kierra, 3d 18h 38m 34s ago, saying: 'Friday night in the big town!'. |
| 21:48.07 | JeffM2501 | if I did skins, bet you'd see the general lee tank somewhere |
| 21:48.45 | TheRedBaron | brad2901: will you volunteer your british accent? |
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| 21:49.28 | JeffM2501 | you have to have a lady do the british one :0 |
| 21:49.29 | JeffM2501 | :) |
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| 21:50.40 | CBG | JeffM2501: can you recommend a good app for me to use to record my sexy voice? ;) |
| 21:51.15 | JeffM2501 | soundforge |
| 21:51.30 | DTRemenak | audacity |
| 21:51.38 | JeffM2501 | that's the good free one |
| 21:51.45 | JeffM2501 | soundforge is better |
| 21:51.49 | JeffM2501 | but costs a lot more |
| 21:51.49 | CBG | Oh, audacity, I remember that... Lets see if I sill have it ;) |
| 21:52.04 | DTRemenak | audacity is good, specially for simple stuff. and it's free and Free |
| 21:52.09 | JeffM2501 | yeah |
| 21:52.12 | JeffM2501 | it works for many things |
| 21:52.22 | JeffM2501 | it's got some bugs that make it a PITA some times |
| 21:52.28 | CBG | I'll have to redownload - it's not a big file size, I hope... |
| 21:52.29 | JeffM2501 | but it's better then windows recorder ;) |
| 21:52.36 | DTRemenak | no kidding |
| 21:53.01 | JeffM2501 | dosn't garage band do recording? |
| 21:53.24 | CBG | It does... |
| 21:53.35 | JeffM2501 | and did't your computer come with iLife? |
| 21:53.43 | CBG | But I don't actually have a sexy ladies voice ;) |
| 21:53.49 | JeffM2501 | oh |
| 21:53.50 | CBG | I'm gonna have to edit it a little... |
| 21:53.55 | JeffM2501 | then I may have to kick you |
| 21:54.00 | TheRedBaron | its going to take more than a little |
| 21:54.10 | JeffM2501 | ewww trany voice |
| 21:54.10 | CBG | TheRedBaron: not too much ;) |
| 21:55.58 | JeffM2501 | double eww |
| 21:56.41 | CBG | What does the sexy british lady need to say? |
| 21:56.51 | JeffM2501 | I dono |
| 21:56.59 | JeffM2501 | why are you trying to record your voice? |
| 21:57.04 | TheRedBaron | "your Flag is in danger" |
| 21:57.06 | JeffM2501 | I was staying "WHEN" |
| 21:57.08 | JeffM2501 | not "now" |
| 21:57.24 | CBG | What's wrong with doing it now? ;) |
| 21:57.33 | TheRedBaron | replace your sound alert files |
| 21:57.35 | JeffM2501 | cus noone knows what the bots have to say? |
| 21:57.58 | JeffM2501 | TheRedBaron, well your going to have a nice visual cue for that soon :0 |
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| 21:58.13 | JeffM2501 | big old arrow on your hud ring |
| 21:59.23 | CIA-6 | BZFlag: 03dtremenak * 10bzflag/ (23 files in 2 dirs): |
| 21:59.23 | CIA-6 | BZFlag: pdcurses 2.8 compatibility (thx W. McBrine) |
| 21:59.24 | CIA-6 | BZFlag: add support for bzadmin+pdcurses on vc8 |
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| 21:59.37 | TheRedBaron | JeffM2501: is it dependant on your mouse box size? |
| 21:59.43 | JeffM2501 | your what? |
| 21:59.56 | JeffM2501 | mouse box go byebye |
| 22:00.02 | TheRedBaron | your aiming reticle |
| 22:00.15 | JeffM2501 | the hud ring is part of your aiming sight now |
| 22:00.20 | JeffM2501 | and it realy is a sight |
| 22:00.20 | TheRedBaron | oh? |
| 22:00.30 | JeffM2501 | has like a place to shoot :) |
| 22:00.32 | TheRedBaron | are we still talking about bzflag? |
| 22:00.34 | JeffM2501 | yes |
| 22:00.40 | TheRedBaron | You're scaring me... |
| 22:00.47 | CIA-6 | BZFlag: 03dtremenak 07v2_0branch * 10bzflag/src/bzadmin/curses_wrapper.h: pdcurses 2.8 compatibility (thx W. McBrine) |
| 22:00.51 | JeffM2501 | changing mouse to have more of a "senstivigy" |
| 22:01.10 | JeffM2501 | and giving the same visual feedback to motion for all input methods |
| 22:01.14 | A_Meteorite | Is this what you're talking about? http://beta.bzflag.bz/images/screens/round.png |
| 22:01.20 | JeffM2501 | that's the start |
| 22:01.24 | A_Meteorite | ah |
| 22:01.26 | DTRemenak | JeffM2501: for 2.0.8, you can build against bzadmin against pdcurses 2.8, and it won't crash in the menu or anything |
| 22:01.37 | JeffM2501 | DTRemenak, ok |
| 22:01.41 | JeffM2501 | I allways was doing curses |
| 22:01.48 | JeffM2501 | even darn the crash :) |
| 22:01.52 | A_Meteorite | that will take time to get used to :) |
| 22:02.02 | JeffM2501 | A_Meteorite, it dosn't look like that anymore |
| 22:02.03 | DTRemenak | make sure to update curses though ;) |
| 22:02.07 | JeffM2501 | ok |
| 22:02.31 | DTRemenak | actually it should work even with 2.6...I snarfed the relevant macro from the 2.8 headers |
| 22:02.43 | DTRemenak | but 'tis better to be newer |
| 22:02.46 | JeffM2501 | I think I was using 2.7 |
| 22:02.53 | JeffM2501 | but I'll get current |
| 22:02.57 | DTRemenak | ah, ok |
| 22:03.16 | TheRedBaron | JeffM2501: your mousebox now, dictates how far your cursor must travel, before you change directions... what will dictate it in the new version? |
| 22:03.16 | JeffM2501 | A_Meteorite, there isn't a screenie of how it ended up lookin last night |
| 22:03.22 | JeffM2501 | that one has too many numbers |
| 22:03.25 | A_Meteorite | oh |
| 22:03.33 | JeffM2501 | TheRedBaron, that is why I'm removing the cursor |
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| 22:03.41 | JeffM2501 | TheRedBaron, the visual motion indicatiors |
| 22:03.56 | JeffM2501 | that tell you how far you are moving and how your current accelration is affecting it |
| 22:04.15 | JeffM2501 | basicly "this is where you want to move to" and then "but this is where you are from acceleration" |
| 22:04.25 | JeffM2501 | same for keys, mouse, or joystick |
| 22:04.29 | TheRedBaron | woah! you're adding acceleration?!? |
| 22:04.32 | JeffM2501 | no |
| 22:04.34 | JeffM2501 | we have acceleration |
| 22:04.39 | JeffM2501 | have had it for a while |
| 22:04.47 | JeffM2501 | since 1.10 IIRC |
| 22:05.01 | TheRedBaron | you're talking about -a? |
| 22:05.03 | JeffM2501 | yeah |
| 22:05.17 | JeffM2501 | if you -a to 0, then the 2 marks will always be the same |
| 22:05.25 | JeffM2501 | since there will be no limits |
| 22:05.34 | DTRemenak | woot for no limits |
| 22:05.55 | TheRedBaron | that came in after 1.10 |
| 22:05.56 | JeffM2501 | then you can use a mouse and stick just like keys for an instant turn |
| 22:06.01 | JeffM2501 | ok so we had it in 2.0 |
| 22:06.04 | TheRedBaron | and those settings are miniscule |
| 22:06.04 | JeffM2501 | it's not new |
| 22:06.11 | TheRedBaron | sorta |
| 22:06.13 | JeffM2501 | TheRedBaron, they still affect the tank |
| 22:06.16 | TheRedBaron | it came in last fall :) |
| 22:06.22 | JeffM2501 | they have just come into use beause of the "ME" stuff |
| 22:06.27 | DTRemenak | -a has been there for years, TheRedBaron |
| 22:06.32 | DTRemenak | 1.7 had it |
| 22:06.40 | DTRemenak | just nobody used it |
| 22:06.56 | TheRedBaron | which was basically emulating the "momentum" flag |
| 22:06.56 | JeffM2501 | with this interface you can use ME, and just see how it affects your tank visualy on servers with -a |
| 22:07.07 | JeffM2501 | and since in 2.1 there is a default -a value..... |
| 22:07.16 | TheRedBaron | yup |
| 22:07.16 | JeffM2501 | TheRedBaron, not quite |
| 22:07.21 | JeffM2501 | it just feels that way |
| 22:07.39 | TheRedBaron | they are very similar, but not identical |
| 22:07.43 | TheRedBaron | hence the word "emulate" |
| 22:07.50 | JeffM2501 | basicly I need to use the cursor for menus, so I'm hiding it in game |
| 22:07.55 | TheRedBaron | I'm quite familiar with the ME issue, believe me :) |
| 22:08.24 | JeffM2501 | and it dosn't make sense that ONLY the mouse has a visual cue to your current motion |
| 22:08.40 | DTRemenak | bah, mouse does not belong in menus |
| 22:08.51 | JeffM2501 | you can still use they keys :) |
| 22:09.03 | JeffM2501 | I'll even make an option to let you still drive in the menu |
| 22:09.17 | DTRemenak | and fire? |
| 22:09.20 | JeffM2501 | sure |
| 22:09.24 | DTRemenak | k :) |
| 22:09.31 | JeffM2501 | if you turn that on, then it'll not use the mouse for menus |
| 22:09.38 | DTRemenak | that's cool then |
| 22:09.43 | JeffM2501 | it wont' be default |
| 22:09.51 | JeffM2501 | but it would be easy to do |
| 22:10.26 | JeffM2501 | tho part of me wants to start a pause when you enter the menu |
| 22:10.41 | DTRemenak | pausing takes longer than most menu operations do |
| 22:10.52 | JeffM2501 | what menu operations do you do and not leave the game? |
| 22:11.05 | JeffM2501 | maybe those shoudl be available in a mini-in-game menu? |
| 22:11.07 | DTRemenak | adjust brightness, adjust volume... |
| 22:11.19 | JeffM2501 | viable options for in game |
| 22:11.28 | TheRedBaron | JeffM2501: my curiosity is peaked, do you have a client with the new HUD? |
| 22:11.35 | JeffM2501 | do I have one |
| 22:11.35 | JeffM2501 | yes |
| 22:11.41 | JeffM2501 | right here |
| 22:11.57 | TheRedBaron | mind sharing it? |
| 22:12.02 | DTRemenak | TheRedBaron: your curiosity gets piqued, not peaked |
| 22:12.04 | L4m3r | screenies please? :P |
| 22:12.13 | JeffM2501 | TheRedBaron, it dosn't play on normal servers |
| 22:12.14 | DTRemenak | just a nitpick :) |
| 22:12.23 | JeffM2501 | it's proto version 1001 |
| 22:12.39 | JeffM2501 | and it's not done yet |
| 22:12.39 | TheRedBaron | DTRemenak: thank you, I was eternally curious as to how to spell it... its french right? |
| 22:12.59 | DTRemenak | yeah, imported into english from middle french or something |
| 22:13.13 | TheRedBaron | I can run a lan game if it has a server |
| 22:13.55 | DTRemenak | basically means "to excite into action" |
| 22:14.04 | *** join/#bzflag Cybodog (n=Underdog@ip68-97-157-156.ok.ok.cox.net) |
| 22:14.14 | Cybodog | something wrong with secret place? |
| 22:14.24 | Cybodog | it will not take my password log in |
| 22:15.59 | *** join/#bzflag JBGood (i=Johnq@JBAUMAN.RES.cmu.edu) |
| 22:16.30 | bryjen | the list server (which also handles global login) moved today. possibly that server is still looking for in at the old address. |
| 22:17.18 | TheRedBaron | JeffM2501: Is the proto version playable in any way? or is it just for screenshots? :) |
| 22:18.00 | bryjen | TheRedBaron: it's nearly the same as 2.1, since that's what he started from |
| 22:18.38 | TheRedBaron | and I'm guessing a 2.1 beta hasn't been released eh? |
| 22:18.47 | JeffM2501 | beta? |
| 22:18.53 | JeffM2501 | it's not even in alpha :) |
| 22:18.59 | JeffM2501 | TheRedBaron, it has it's own server |
| 22:19.00 | bryjen | i don't think so, as 2.1 is nearly the same as 2.0.6 |
| 22:19.15 | DTRemenak | stretching the definition of nearly a wee bit there bryjen :) |
| 22:19.26 | JeffM2501 | it has a number of difs |
| 22:19.30 | JeffM2501 | enough to make it it's own |
| 22:19.34 | bryjen | DTRemenak: as far as end-users can see? |
| 22:19.45 | JeffM2501 | it's got geolaser:) |
| 22:19.50 | JeffM2501 | mmmm geolaser |
| 22:20.09 | DTRemenak | yeah, there are user-visible changes |
| 22:20.12 | JeffM2501 | TheRedBaron, it'll be in cvs when they sync again |
| 22:20.31 | JeffM2501 | in 2.1 high now does what expermental did |
| 22:20.42 | trepan | sf svn doesn't require sync'ing; hint, hint ;) |
| 22:20.42 | JeffM2501 | that's visable :) |
| 22:20.52 | JeffM2501 | trepan, it's been talked about |
| 22:20.55 | JeffM2501 | a LOT |
| 22:21.04 | TheRedBaron | except I lack the tools and resources to build a client from CVS |
| 22:21.15 | bryjen | then again, no one plays 2.1.x yet either |
| 22:21.16 | JeffM2501 | TheRedBaron, then you'll just have to wait |
| 22:21.22 | trepan | JeffM2501: common project admin, click the button |
| 22:21.24 | JeffM2501 | it's hard to "test" things that arn't even done yet |
| 22:21.35 | DTRemenak | bryjen: and you aren't on windows :) |
| 22:21.42 | JeffM2501 | trepan, the would be the best way for me to loose that project admin status ;) |
| 22:21.50 | bryjen | DTRemenak: thank goodness :) |
| 22:22.01 | DTRemenak | not that we're actually using autoupdate yet |
| 22:22.06 | TheRedBaron | JeffM2501: Its not that I don't mind waiting, but I'm a little leary of a new hud change... Remember what happened when someone changed my radar? |
| 22:22.06 | DTRemenak | but it's there |
| 22:22.21 | trepan | JeffM2501: need a vote? |
| 22:22.38 | JeffM2501 | TheRedBaron, 1) its only in the playground, it may never go to live. 2) it's only tied to expermental quality |
| 22:22.39 | brlcad | heh |
| 22:23.05 | JeffM2501 | yeah, I mean I was gonna give him full screen radar overlay. |
| 22:23.11 | JeffM2501 | but if he'd like to use the hud more.... |
| 22:23.22 | TheRedBaron | because the Hud is directly and proportionaly tied to the size of the mousebox, which alters how fast I can change directions |
| 22:23.24 | CIA-6 | BZFlag: 03trepan * 10bzflag/configure.ac: profiling enables debugging |
| 22:23.31 | TheRedBaron | which is vital to my radar |
| 22:23.36 | DTRemenak | TheRedBaron: that's all changing |
| 22:23.38 | JeffM2501 | TheRedBaron, this hud is NOT tied to the mousebox ( when its' done ) |
| 22:23.42 | TheRedBaron | thats the only use I have for HuD |
| 22:23.45 | PuMpErNiCkEl | hey, that'd be pretty sweet... a fade-in fade-out fullscreen radar overlay :o |
| 22:23.45 | JeffM2501 | no more mousebox |
| 22:23.52 | TheRedBaron | JeffM2501: perhaps we can reach a compromise |
| 22:23.52 | JeffM2501 | it'll be a senstiivity slider |
| 22:24.05 | TheRedBaron | DTRemenak: thats what has my curiosity 'piqued' |
| 22:24.18 | JeffM2501 | TheRedBaron, the game has to change at some point |
| 22:24.22 | DTRemenak | TheRedBaron: it'll be better this way, honestly :) |
| 22:24.32 | TheRedBaron | right, lets have it change for the better :-D |
| 22:24.43 | JeffM2501 | and in your mind "better" is a 2d client |
| 22:24.44 | DTRemenak | basically the sensitivity of your mose is adjusted SEPARATELY from the onscreen hud size |
| 22:24.56 | TheRedBaron | DTRemenak: I actually believe you, because this will mean better mouse control |
| 22:25.02 | JeffM2501 | the old hudbox was just lasy programing :) |
| 22:25.04 | TheRedBaron | which has my vote :) |
| 22:25.10 | DTRemenak | yeah, exactly...and far better for joysticks |
| 22:25.14 | JeffM2501 | and beter joystick |
| 22:25.31 | JeffM2501 | then I'll do veritical aiming |
| 22:25.35 | DTRemenak | heh |
| 22:25.51 | JeffM2501 | cus I got like 11 axes on my sticks |
| 22:25.53 | DTRemenak | as you said, not everything will move over from playground ;) |
| 22:25.59 | JeffM2501 | exactly |
| 22:26.06 | JeffM2501 | that is untill everyone is playing playground anyway :) |
| 22:26.55 | DTRemenak | I doubt that'll happen...but whatever...you might be right :) |
| 22:27.08 | JeffM2501 | time will tell |
| 22:27.14 | DTRemenak | indeed it will |
| 22:27.32 | JeffM2501 | it coudl end up being just TheRedBaron and you on the last core server :) |
| 22:27.44 | TheRedBaron | yikes! |
| 22:27.54 | DTRemenak | there are more than just us, we're just the most vocal :) |
| 22:28.08 | DTRemenak | there's still a sizeable population on 1.10 servers too |
| 22:28.10 | TheRedBaron | some body has to speak for the people :) |
| 22:28.12 | JeffM2501 | well yes but I will enice those non vocal people with free icecream |
| 22:28.26 | JeffM2501 | cus everyone loves icecream |
| 22:28.29 | TheRedBaron | JeffM2501: Heck, you could entice me with free ice cream! |
| 22:28.30 | JeffM2501 | and paraat |
| 22:28.35 | JeffM2501 | parfat |
| 22:28.40 | DTRemenak | parrots? |
| 22:28.51 | JeffM2501 | I hate french words |
| 22:28.54 | DTRemenak | hehe |
| 22:28.56 | menotume | oui |
| 22:29.33 | trepan | ~dict parfait |
| 22:29.38 | JeffM2501 | chainguns may entice people too |
| 22:29.42 | JeffM2501 | everyone loves chainguns |
| 22:29.50 | JeffM2501 | thank you trepan |
| 22:29.50 | trepan | ... but your typo had a certain truth in it |
| 22:29.58 | bryjen | JeffM2501: pie |
| 22:30.05 | JeffM2501 | mmm chaingun pie |
| 22:30.07 | bryjen | much easier to spell |
| 22:30.40 | TheRedBaron | right, I'm going now. |
| 22:30.49 | TheRedBaron | DOn't plot diabolical things against me and my radar while I"m gone |
| 22:31.12 | JeffM2501 | like make it round, and only be able to go thru so much matereal before it dosn't work? |
| 22:31.26 | TheRedBaron | yea, thats what I'm scared of... |
| 22:31.33 | TheRedBaron | Don't listen to the voices JeffM2501 !! |
| 22:31.45 | JeffM2501 | and then add motion sensors to make it easyer to see moving tanks |
| 22:32.02 | JeffM2501 | and senor packs your teamies can drop to make it easyer for the tream to see |
| 22:32.21 | TheRedBaron | some one constrain him! |
| 22:32.25 | TheRedBaron | ~bind JeffM2501 |
| 22:32.27 | ibot | ACTION wraps JeffM2501 up with 100 rolls of duct tape |
| 22:32.31 | JeffM2501 | and laser guided mortars |
| 22:32.33 | bryjen | heh |
| 22:32.48 | JeffM2501 | it's all about the indiect fire |
| 22:33.00 | JeffM2501 | indirect even |
| 22:33.02 | DTRemenak | with splash damage, right? |
| 22:33.05 | JeffM2501 | totaly |
| 22:33.13 | JeffM2501 | fuel air missle! |
| 22:33.21 | JeffM2501 | those things are nasty |
| 22:34.10 | JeffM2501 | I'll even put in a sniper cannon for you DTRemenak :) |
| 22:34.12 | DTRemenak | ooh, that could be cool. a targetting flag and a mortar flag...targetter fires, draws a line on the radar. mortar fires, where his line of fire intersects the targetting line, shockwave occurs |
| 22:34.17 | JeffM2501 | nice right click for oom |
| 22:34.54 | JeffM2501 | slowly his converstion begins ;) |
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| 22:35.10 | DTRemenak | no powerups there, I'm thinking real flags |
| 22:35.18 | DTRemenak | just enforcing teamwork |
| 22:35.18 | JeffM2501 | for now you do |
| 22:35.21 | JeffM2501 | but it begins :) |
| 22:35.30 | JeffM2501 | yes teamwork is the bestest part of the games |
| 22:35.33 | DTRemenak | still one flag at a time and one shot kills |
| 22:35.53 | JeffM2501 | I have my foot in the door ;) |
| 22:36.13 | DTRemenak | people have always asked for mines and stuff, a target/mortar combination would let you remotely destroy tanks |
| 22:36.28 | DTRemenak | same basic idea |
| 22:36.28 | JeffM2501 | but really that's one thing I think a playground would be good for, testing stuff like that in something that isn't Oficial" |
| 22:36.32 | JeffM2501 | to see how it plays out before |
| 22:36.36 | JeffM2501 | so we don't get a wings |
| 22:36.41 | DTRemenak | I like wings |
| 22:36.46 | JeffM2501 | many do |
| 22:36.48 | JeffM2501 | many don't |
| 22:37.04 | DTRemenak | those who don't, almost always just don't like multijump |
| 22:37.05 | JeffM2501 | but it realy didn't get muhc play testing before it was imolmented |
| 22:37.10 | DTRemenak | wings is not about the multijump though |
| 22:37.19 | JeffM2501 | it's about stering in space |
| 22:37.22 | DTRemenak | yeah |
| 22:37.39 | PuMpErNiCkEl | Wings with inertia are the best. |
| 22:37.41 | DTRemenak | I don't know anyone who dislikes that aspect of it |
| 22:37.52 | JeffM2501 | then people who hate jumping |
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| 22:37.57 | DTRemenak | it's still a predictable landing => easy countermeasure |
| 22:38.09 | DTRemenak | yeah, there are those :) |
| 22:38.15 | brlcad | *ahem* |
| 22:38.21 | JeffM2501 | those are the ones who play by fullscrene radar I think |
| 22:38.28 | DTRemenak | ~lart brlcad |
| 22:38.28 | JeffM2501 | the ones that want a 2d game |
| 22:38.38 | DTRemenak | ~dict kamehameha |
| 22:38.43 | DTRemenak | hrmph |
| 22:38.45 | JeffM2501 | it means "big ass" |
| 22:38.46 | CIA-6 | BZFlag: 03trepan * 10bzflag/src/bzflag/playing.cxx: shadow var, duplicated logic |
| 22:38.47 | brlcad | i generally don't like more than 50% vertical |
| 22:39.14 | brlcad | if it's going to be more, it's gotta shot me that direction their tanks are pointing, then i'd probably want 100% |
| 22:39.26 | brlcad | s/shot/show/ |
| 22:39.26 | JeffM2501 | I figure the best way to get rid of the flyers are just to fire a bunch of missles at them :) |
| 22:40.03 | JeffM2501 | nice little anime missiles |
| 22:40.17 | PuMpErNiCkEl | laser from across the map |
| 22:40.22 | PuMpErNiCkEl | They never see it coming. :) |
| 22:40.23 | bryjen | you have to have the missiles first, an too many GM's laying around is its own problem :/ |
| 22:41.02 | JeffM2501 | that's where I feel wings wasn't tested untill it went "live" |
| 22:41.04 | QuantumBeep | Wings are coolest with no flaps at all, imho |
| 22:41.06 | JeffM2501 | all the posible cases |
| 22:41.34 | JeffM2501 | so now I can do a laser designator and guided shots, see how they play out, and then the best parts of it can be put in mainline |
| 22:41.55 | trepan | JeffM2501: was GM 'tested' with _gmTurnAngle = 0.001 ? |
| 22:42.04 | JeffM2501 | prolly not |
| 22:42.10 | JeffM2501 | we don't test crap |
| 22:42.14 | JeffM2501 | people just throw stuff in :) |
| 22:42.26 | trepan | so now it's a matter of your crap threshold |
| 22:42.30 | bryjen | most of the powerful attack flags have a more passive/defensive counter flag. for wings, you need another attack flag to counter it |
| 22:42.39 | JeffM2501 | from a game design standpoint there are many settings don't make sense |
| 22:42.48 | trepan | and we allow most of them |
| 22:42.52 | JeffM2501 | yeah |
| 22:43.00 | trepan | so the onus falls back to the server ops |
| 22:43.10 | JeffM2501 | well that' why I want to change all that ;) |
| 22:43.32 | JeffM2501 | it's all part of the grand vision |
| 22:43.33 | trepan | still, your complaint about not having tested wings enough doesn't really fly ;) |
| 22:43.54 | JeffM2501 | oh your probalby right |
| 22:43.58 | QuantumBeep | Unfortunately, putting the onus on server ops sounds good, but it hasn't worked... |
| 22:44.09 | JeffM2501 | but adding a new flag needs more ballance then somone setting stupid settings |
| 22:44.20 | JeffM2501 | I think |
| 22:44.22 | JeffM2501 | personaly |
| 22:44.30 | bryjen | i don't think any of us complainers ever came up with a passive/defensive counter for wings... it was all suggestions for wings-specific big hammers |
| 22:44.42 | JeffM2501 | yeah |
| 22:44.49 | JeffM2501 | cus people were "angry" at wings |
| 22:45.02 | JeffM2501 | so they wanted a big swat for them |
| 22:45.25 | bryjen | heh. the fly swatter was an already-existing suggestion... |
| 22:45.32 | JeffM2501 | true |
| 22:45.45 | bryjen | but it still didn't go anywhere |
| 22:46.15 | JeffM2501 | but wings is difrent then the other atack flags, it dosn't give you a better shot or anything that is easaly just countered by a defensive flag |
| 22:46.18 | JeffM2501 | it lets you do more |
| 22:46.21 | JeffM2501 | kinda like OO |
| 22:46.29 | JeffM2501 | tho OO has the weakness against SB |
| 22:46.34 | JeffM2501 | so it's a simple match |
| 22:46.47 | JeffM2501 | yet SB is usefull against ANYONE |
| 22:46.56 | bryjen | same with SW |
| 22:47.06 | JeffM2501 | the only counter for SB is shield |
| 22:47.20 | JeffM2501 | and on a multi shot seerver, one hit protection aint' much |
| 22:47.22 | bryjen | unless its a 5+ shot server |
| 22:47.25 | bryjen | a-yup |
| 22:47.40 | L4m3r | Jeff, A-D was playing with ways to make shield work for multiple shots |
| 22:47.54 | JeffM2501 | L4m3r, tim specificaly said NO to that |
| 22:47.58 | L4m3r | just set the shield flight time really low and adjust _maxFlagGrabs accordingly |
| 22:48.32 | bryjen | eh, if you're going to change it, why not do it right and just make it not drop until X hits... |
| 22:48.37 | QuantumBeep | Uh, what about turning "shots keep vertical velocity" into a flag? |
| 22:48.38 | JeffM2501 | SW should be a great counter to wings |
| 22:48.38 | L4m3r | it's sorta neat because you never know how many times you can get hit and get it back... |
| 22:48.45 | JeffM2501 | on the OO thinking |
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| 22:49.13 | JeffM2501 | L4m3r, that's the problem |
| 22:49.15 | bryjen | SW's short range means you have to get close in without them picking you off or flapping away |
| 22:49.17 | JeffM2501 | it's confusing |
| 22:49.19 | brlcad | eh, if you're going to change it, why not make it based on power/shielding levels and not drop until energy level drops low enough ;) |
| 22:49.20 | L4m3r | heh |
| 22:49.25 | L4m3r | it's a gamble... :P |
| 22:49.50 | bryjen | ~lart brlcad |
| 22:49.52 | L4m3r | and I'm not changing anything, just a simple ghetto application of the flag |
| 22:50.00 | brlcad | then multiple flags either become additional energy or capacity |
| 22:50.09 | JeffM2501 | L4m3r, I know, I'm just telling you Tim said no for the confusion reason |
| 22:50.13 | L4m3r | yeah |
| 22:50.13 | bryjen | I reject your version of "right" and substition my own! |
| 22:50.20 | brlcad | :) |
| 22:50.45 | Cybodog | bryjen, that might be a trade marked frase |
| 22:50.52 | L4m3r | SW is ineffective against wings because of its limited range and wings' superior maneuvering power |
| 22:51.06 | bryjen | Cybodog: why? it's not even good grammar |
| 22:51.09 | Cybodog | people might confuse you for a mythbuster instead of a tank buster |
| 22:51.11 | JeffM2501 | like I say, a bunch of missiles firing up form the ass end of the tank :) |
| 22:51.13 | L4m3r | all the winged tank has to to is get the SW in the air, and it's toast |
| 22:51.14 | JeffM2501 | like 30 of em :) |
| 22:51.21 | bryjen | s/substition/substitute/ |
| 22:51.41 | L4m3r | heh |
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| 22:52.00 | bryjen | ~spell substitute |
| 22:52.31 | L4m3r | maybe we need a "flak" flag... but it has to have other uses to be any good :\ |
| 22:52.49 | JeffM2501 | that's the problem with it |
| 22:52.57 | trepan | like CL? |
| 22:53.20 | L4m3r | maybe some sort of flag that shoots shots in a trajectory... that could be somewhat effective against wings |
| 22:53.30 | JeffM2501 | then the game gets more complex |
| 22:53.41 | bryjen | well, CL was sneakier until _somebody_ added those nifty track marks ;) |
| 22:53.43 | JeffM2501 | that's the problem in thinking of it in the terms of a "counter" |
| 22:53.45 | L4m3r | isn't there a cow launcher in the wiki? |
| 22:54.02 | L4m3r | :P |
| 22:54.04 | JeffM2501 | that's the chess players talking |
| 22:54.13 | trepan | bryjen: it's all about the radar... CL is basically useless except against L |
| 22:54.24 | trepan | (unless you're on a radar limited map, of course) |
| 22:54.28 | JeffM2501 | chaff :) |
| 22:54.31 | bryjen | treRedBarpan :P |
| 22:55.15 | L4m3r | or that fly swatter flag... |
| 22:55.18 | L4m3r | lol |
| 22:55.19 | brlcad | fyi, taking the webserver down for all of 15 seconds twice for testing within the next two minutes |
| 22:56.06 | JeffM2501 | if we had trigerable one shot accerorsy you could use a repeller to screw up wings tanks |
| 22:56.09 | JeffM2501 | as well as others |
| 22:56.15 | JeffM2501 | but then we don't |
| 22:56.59 | L4m3r | I'm about ready to add a plugin that does "anti aircraft guns" at a certain altitude |
| 22:57.21 | L4m3r | the server starts randomly shooting lasers and shockwaves around the tank |
| 22:57.21 | bryjen | was there a suggestion like a blackhole? draws tanks into you, and if they touch you, they're smushed into nothing? |
| 22:57.43 | JeffM2501 | bryjen, yeah, thats cus with flags when you "fire" them they have to be killing, or they are pointless |
| 22:57.56 | JeffM2501 | if you detach it from your weapon you get more options |
| 22:58.11 | bryjen | like an amped up SR |
| 22:58.25 | JeffM2501 | theif is the only usefull non lethal flag |
| 22:58.33 | L4m3r | perhaps something that is short-range, but aimed like GM, and instant... that'd mess up the flying tanks |
| 22:58.48 | JeffM2501 | L4m3r, why not just use GM |
| 22:58.53 | bryjen | or SW |
| 22:58.56 | JeffM2501 | eactly |
| 22:58.58 | L4m3r | I love stealing people's wings... it pisses them off |
| 22:59.02 | CBG | did someone just do something that may have broken global auth? |
| 22:59.06 | L4m3r | neither is instant ;) |
| 22:59.10 | JeffM2501 | CBG, yes |
| 22:59.13 | JeffM2501 | just wait |
| 22:59.17 | L4m3r | you can run from SW or GM |
| 22:59.21 | CBG | ok, :) |
| 22:59.29 | L4m3r | (or fly away like a wuss as many do) |
| 22:59.30 | bryjen | SW travels faster than a tank, but you have to be close enough to start with |
| 22:59.30 | JeffM2501 | any flag added should be unique in it's own right |
| 22:59.50 | JeffM2501 | no flag I can think of exists just to the detrement of another |
| 23:00.10 | JeffM2501 | many of them hapen to work out well as a "counter" but that's not all they do |
| 23:00.27 | JeffM2501 | they just happen to give effects that make it easy to get around the benifit of another flag |
| 23:00.35 | L4m3r | the other thing is a wings jump frequency limit... |
| 23:00.58 | L4m3r | that would at least make it possible to nail a winged tank with a well-timed jump |
| 23:01.06 | L4m3r | because they can't flap up as quickly |
| 23:01.46 | L4m3r | part of the problem is that a winged tank can always fly up faster than you can |
| 23:01.53 | bryjen | I think DTR had the best idea so far. multi-jump is too easily abused. |
| 23:01.56 | L4m3r | just by holding the button down |
| 23:02.10 | L4m3r | what was DTR's idea? |
| 23:02.27 | trepan | password protect the _wingsJumpCount variable |
| 23:02.37 | bryjen | s/idea/explaination for the "problem" with wings |
| 23:03.00 | L4m3r | password protect? isn't that a bit extreme? |
| 23:03.12 | JeffM2501 | users can't be trusted ;) |
| 23:03.24 | L4m3r | but users can mod source too |
| 23:03.27 | L4m3r | :P |
| 23:03.30 | bryjen | or server ops? |
| 23:03.42 | bryjen | and owners even... |
| 23:03.42 | JeffM2501 | close the source ;) |
| 23:03.46 | L4m3r | lol |
| 23:04.06 | JeffM2501 | if you REALY wanted protect it you could pull a cube, where the binarys are not compatable with the source |
| 23:04.13 | JeffM2501 | but then that woudl screw over many people |
| 23:04.24 | L4m3r | yes it would |
| 23:05.33 | QuantumBeep | You shouldn't walk around while using a computer |
| 23:05.46 | L4m3r | I didn't even get up. it was that sharp. |
| 23:06.02 | *** part/#bzflag bryjen (n=bryjen@63.147.94.149) |
| 23:06.57 | QuantumBeep | You mean it, like, attacked your feet from a distance? |
| 23:07.14 | L4m3r | maybe you should give the flag a finite number of flaps before it expires and drops |
| 23:07.31 | JeffM2501 | or little anime missles... those work |
| 23:07.34 | JeffM2501 | and look way cooler |
| 23:07.37 | L4m3r | lol |
| 23:07.49 | JeffM2501 | like every surface of the tank open up |
| 23:07.53 | JeffM2501 | and just packed with missiles |
| 23:09.20 | JeffM2501 | and for the love of god, don't shoot the powerup that gives out missiles ;) |
| 23:09.47 | L4m3r | lol |
| 23:09.57 | L4m3r | you were the one who just said users can't be trusted ;) |
| 23:09.59 | JeffM2501 | it would be "bad" |
| 23:10.05 | JeffM2501 | they can't |
| 23:10.18 | JeffM2501 | so if they shoot it, bad things happen |
| 23:10.26 | JeffM2501 | like all the missiles go out in random directions |
| 23:10.33 | L4m3r | just call it the "whore control box with PMS" |
| 23:10.51 | JeffM2501 | I was gonna callit "mini-missles" |
| 23:10.52 | brlcad | all done testing with httpd -X, no more disruptions |
| 23:10.55 | L4m3r | "shoot it and it will get angry. You won't like it when it's angry." |
| 23:11.17 | JeffM2501 | well your not SUPOSED to shoot it |
| 23:11.20 | JeffM2501 | you want to pick it up |
| 23:11.21 | L4m3r | lol |
| 23:11.30 | JeffM2501 | then YOU get to send missiles everyone in random directions |
| 23:12.01 | L4m3r | it would be nice to have the ability to do some sort of sentry weapon |
| 23:12.19 | JeffM2501 | do that with a plugin and a world weapon |
| 23:12.30 | L4m3r | that'd be a mess. :| |
| 23:12.37 | JeffM2501 | why? |
| 23:12.42 | JeffM2501 | it can know where the people are |
| 23:12.47 | JeffM2501 | use that to aim em |
| 23:13.03 | L4m3r | is that zone thing implemented yet? :P |
| 23:13.03 | trepan | i did it (sans plugin), a while ago; not hard |
| 23:13.11 | JeffM2501 | yeah should not be hard at all |
| 23:13.22 | JeffM2501 | no, just do your own proxy check |
| 23:13.24 | JeffM2501 | in the idle loop |
| 23:14.01 | JeffM2501 | or do trigers zones as cusom map objects |
| 23:14.29 | L4m3r | I'd have to use some sort of dead reckoning, right? |
| 23:14.42 | JeffM2501 | the server knows the last update pos |
| 23:14.48 | trepan | yup, plus lag with the current setup |
| 23:14.58 | JeffM2501 | yeah easy comp |
| 23:15.25 | JeffM2501 | pos += vec * time ;) |
| 23:15.30 | L4m3r | yeah |
| 23:15.47 | L4m3r | wow, that acually doesn't sound that painful... hm... |
| 23:16.13 | trepan | JeffM2501: heh, throw in horiz circular motion, and vertical parabolic, and make the hit times line up :) |
| 23:16.15 | L4m3r | now, do I use lasers or superbullets? >:D |
| 23:16.22 | JeffM2501 | heh |
| 23:16.26 | JeffM2501 | then it's evil |
| 23:16.47 | trepan | or 'more fun', depends on your pov :) |
| 23:16.52 | JeffM2501 | trepan, just easyer to send them a kill message ;) |
| 23:17.19 | trepan | na, rather make em dance |
| 23:17.23 | JeffM2501 | heh |
| 23:17.32 | JeffM2501 | soot the grond around them like 5 times |
| 23:17.35 | JeffM2501 | THEN shoot them |
| 23:17.39 | L4m3r | lol |
| 23:18.15 | L4m3r | or just explode a shockwave where the shot hits the ground |
| 23:18.35 | L4m3r | ooh... mines.... >:D |
| 23:18.42 | JeffM2501 | been there done that |
| 23:18.56 | JeffM2501 | the problem with them is, that if you see them, you don't run over them |
| 23:19.01 | JeffM2501 | since we dn't have splash damate |
| 23:19.03 | JeffM2501 | damage |
| 23:19.12 | JeffM2501 | if you can't see them, then you just seem to die at random times |
| 23:19.16 | JeffM2501 | since one hit kills |
| 23:19.17 | L4m3r | who said anything about seeing them? |
| 23:19.28 | JeffM2501 | then it will just seem like you die at random times |
| 23:19.31 | JeffM2501 | and that's not fine |
| 23:19.39 | JeffM2501 | again, just send random people the kill message |
| 23:20.00 | L4m3r | I'm thinking of a relativelly wide detonation radius and a sane shockwave size/expanision rate |
| 23:20.04 | JeffM2501 | in a game with damage, and splash, you can make them seen but give them a proxy radius |
| 23:20.38 | JeffM2501 | L4m3r, then ether peole will see them and drive around, or just die from semingly random SWs |
| 23:20.39 | trepan | use a phydrv to do the death (a visible object), and send a SW to the phydrv loc. |
| 23:21.13 | L4m3r | then you can use a death event... not a bad idea |
| 23:21.26 | JeffM2501 | then your just killing more people |
| 23:21.32 | JeffM2501 | at random times |
| 23:21.43 | L4m3r | ooh, you could make them blink so they're not always visible ;) |
| 23:21.54 | L4m3r | fully able to dodge, if you're careful |
| 23:22.07 | JeffM2501 | still don't think it will be fun |
| 23:22.09 | trepan | JeffM2501: i did say a visible object, not so random |
| 23:22.11 | JeffM2501 | not with one hit/kill |
| 23:22.25 | JeffM2501 | yeah but then if they are visable people just drive around them |
| 23:22.31 | JeffM2501 | having them fade maybe |
| 23:22.41 | trepan | noradar :) |
| 23:23.05 | JeffM2501 | OC mines were allways gonna be set by ground troops |
| 23:23.07 | L4m3r | jeff: that's what I was saying, silly :P |
| 23:23.14 | JeffM2501 | or taped to the back of the tank |
| 23:23.25 | JeffM2501 | L4m3r, I know I was saying that your way is the only way I thinkit MAY ork |
| 23:23.27 | JeffM2501 | work |
| 23:23.28 | L4m3r | that'd be a nice way to run someone's day |
| 23:23.41 | JeffM2501 | if that's your reasoning then just ban em? :) |
| 23:23.57 | JeffM2501 | games are suposed to be fun, not a place for the server owner to crap on players |
| 23:24.05 | L4m3r | not only do you kill the tank, but you've got a moving bomb that you can detonate at a good opportunity :P |
| 23:24.24 | L4m3r | I was talking about the OC tank mines :P |
| 23:24.57 | JeffM2501 | oh OC limpet mines are just hte only way a dude on foot can go against armor |
| 23:25.15 | JeffM2501 | OC dudes didn't show up on radar ether |
| 23:25.19 | JeffM2501 | but they got run over bigtime |
| 23:25.22 | L4m3r | makes sense |
| 23:25.48 | JeffM2501 | and they cary the laser designator |
| 23:25.54 | JeffM2501 | "say hello to my little friend" |
| 23:26.00 | L4m3r | lol |
| 23:26.26 | L4m3r | is that a targeting device for some godkiller weapon? |
| 23:26.36 | JeffM2501 | both |
| 23:26.43 | JeffM2501 | you put a little red dot on a tank |
| 23:26.45 | JeffM2501 | make a phone call |
| 23:26.59 | JeffM2501 | smoeone 5 clicks away pushes a button |
| 23:27.03 | L4m3r | for, not or :P |
| 23:27.07 | JeffM2501 | and a big mortar lands where you put the dot |
| 23:27.14 | L4m3r | hehe |
| 23:27.29 | L4m3r | sorta like the ion cannon beacon in renegade, altho less destructive |
| 23:27.46 | JeffM2501 | no exactly like a laser guided mortar in real life ;) |
| 23:27.59 | L4m3r | heh |
| 23:28.04 | JeffM2501 | what's best is when you make a confrence call |
| 23:28.37 | trepan | or just play StarCraft |
| 23:28.41 | JeffM2501 | :) |
| 23:29.05 | JeffM2501 | Tribes 2 was the first FPS I played with laser guided weapons |
| 23:29.08 | JeffM2501 | was fun |
| 23:31.25 | JeffM2501 | brlcad, bzbb needs perms to write to the avatars dir |
| 23:31.29 | JeffM2501 | so it can do uploads |
| 23:31.38 | JeffM2501 | as well as probably the atachments folder |
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| 23:42.20 | JeffM2501 | trepan we have math utils? like cross and dot product? |
| 23:43.17 | JeffM2501 | ahh vectors |
| 23:45.09 | TheRedBaron | JeffM2501: if you do away with the mouse box/pointer (pardon me being still stuck on the issue, and my redundancy) then how can you make sure you drive straight? |
| 23:45.24 | JeffM2501 | there will still be a dead zone |
| 23:45.31 | JeffM2501 | and you'll have an indicator for it |
| 23:45.41 | JeffM2501 | but it just won't be the box and the arrow cursor |
| 23:45.55 | JeffM2501 | you'll have sliders for sentiivity and dead zone |
| 23:46.18 | JeffM2501 | same stuff, just not tied to the box on the screen |
| 23:47.13 | TheRedBaron | ah, so you can adjust your dead zone making it bigger/smaller? |
| 23:47.18 | JeffM2501 | sure |
| 23:47.21 | JeffM2501 | just like a joystick |
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| 23:47.40 | TheRedBaron | is the dead zone have an X/Y axis? |
| 23:47.48 | TheRedBaron | as in, not just foward, but also side to side? |
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| 23:48.05 | JeffM2501 | it'll be the same for both |
| 23:48.12 | JeffM2501 | since mice or orthogonal |
| 23:48.15 | JeffM2501 | just like it is now |
| 23:48.39 | JeffM2501 | when you set your "inner" box, you set the mouse dead zone in both axes |
| 23:48.45 | SportChick | JeffM2501: currently there is a little pointer on the top of the mousebox that tells you where your flag is - will that still be available in some form? |
| 23:48.50 | TheRedBaron | JeffM2501: so far, you've got me with you, logically, it makes sense, and I like the idea of a sensitivity slider :) |
| 23:49.03 | JeffM2501 | SportChick, and how :) |
| 23:49.09 | SportChick | :) |
| 23:49.10 | SportChick | yay |
| 23:49.20 | JeffM2501 | SportChick, full blown hud waypoint |
| 23:49.30 | JeffM2501 | and a marker on the compas ring |
| 23:49.31 | SportChick | JeffM2501: in english? |
| 23:49.39 | JeffM2501 | arrow that you can allways see that is over it |
| 23:49.48 | TheRedBaron | JeffM2501: I converted her to radar :) |
| 23:49.51 | JeffM2501 | then why do you look at the mark on the current compas :) |
| 23:49.55 | TheRedBaron | i'll get you next! |
| 23:49.56 | SportChick | TheRedBaron: I was already mostly converted |
| 23:50.05 | SportChick | JeffM2501: if I can't find it on the radar, I look on the mousebox |
| 23:50.11 | JeffM2501 | you'll have that |
| 23:50.17 | SportChick | for some reason i can never see the pink flag on radar :( |
| 23:50.28 | JeffM2501 | tho the way I have this set up, its only for expermental |
| 23:50.35 | JeffM2501 | non experiemtnal goes back to the old hud |
| 23:50.45 | SportChick | hrm |
| 23:51.03 | JeffM2501 | it dosn't mater |
| 23:51.13 | JeffM2501 | in 2.1 the old expermeintal from 2.0 is now "high" |
| 23:51.24 | JeffM2501 | so if you stay at high, then your exactly what the best that 2.0 had |
| 23:51.40 | SportChick | hrmph |
| 23:51.43 | SportChick | I use high now |
| 23:51.49 | JeffM2501 | that just means you get a ground grid |
| 23:51.56 | JeffM2501 | and crapy looking flags ;) |
| 23:52.20 | SportChick | well you guys keep upping hte graphics and frying my graphics card :/ |
| 23:52.23 | SportChick | I cant' turn it too high |
| 23:52.31 | SportChick | my card's been running at over 100 C :( |
| 23:52.36 | SportChick | which crashes my computer |
| 23:52.51 | JeffM2501 | probably have hair and dust in your intakes then |
| 23:53.06 | SportChick | I clean it regularly |
| 23:53.09 | JeffM2501 | your card should be able to do anything bz does, easy |
| 23:53.15 | SportChick | this silly machine has insufficient venting, i think |
| 23:53.23 | JeffM2501 | well it is an alienware |
| 23:53.27 | SportChick | exactly |
| 23:53.42 | TheRedBaron | *loans |
| 23:53.46 | TheRedBaron | open it up :) |
| 23:53.48 | SportChick | rofl |
| 23:53.53 | JeffM2501 | laptops are not realy designed for uber gaming |
| 23:54.01 | JeffM2501 | they say they are, but that's just marketing |
| 23:54.08 | SportChick | this one is supposed to be, but... |
| 23:54.12 | TheRedBaron | JeffM2501: bzflag would hardly be called "uber gaming" |
| 23:54.15 | JeffM2501 | no it's just marketid |
| 23:54.18 | JeffM2501 | no it would not be |
| 23:54.19 | SportChick | and their stupid support people are in costa rica |
| 23:54.30 | SportChick | operative word being "stupid" |
| 23:54.32 | JeffM2501 | SportChick, they are owned by dell now |
| 23:54.36 | L4m3r | that beats India doesn't it? |
| 23:54.37 | SportChick | yeah, I heard |
| 23:54.40 | SportChick | not sure if that's good or bad |
| 23:55.01 | SportChick | JeffM2501: I'm happy to test the stuff for you as you put it out - I always enjoyed doing that before...got away from it for a while |
| 23:55.16 | JeffM2501 | SportChick, it's not in any verson that runs publicly |
| 23:55.23 | JeffM2501 | and may NEVER be put in it |
| 23:55.27 | JeffM2501 | I am not changing 2.1 |
| 23:55.35 | JeffM2501 | none of this is in 2.1 |
| 23:55.57 | JeffM2501 | its currently in 2.9.0 with proto verison 1001 |
| 23:56.03 | JeffM2501 | aka "playground" |
| 23:56.31 | JeffM2501 | I'll take a current screeny after 5 |
| 23:57.17 | SportChick | JeffM2501: I saw the screenies you posted last night |
| 23:57.26 | JeffM2501 | it dosn't look like that much anymore |
| 23:57.27 | SportChick | or ws it yesteday |
| 23:57.30 | SportChick | i forgot already |
| 23:58.23 | CIA-6 | BZFlag: 03jeffm2501 07playground_branch * 10bzflag/src/date/buildDate.cxx: call it 9.9.0 so noone gets confused |
